The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘The Last of Us’ Episode 5 Recap

Episode Date: February 11, 2023

Charles and Van share their instant reactions to the fifth episode of ‘The Last of Us.’ They discuss the moral complexities of both Kathleen and Henry, as well as what it means to be a “good” or “bad” person in the apocalypse. Next, they talk about Sam and Henry’s tragic demise and how the show’s side characters continue to be just as compelling as Joel and Ellie. Along the way, the guys debate whether this episode is the strongest of the series so far. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Find Ollie's sleep solutions for the whole family at ollie.com. That's OLLL-Y.com. Welcome to the Prestige TV podcast, a show where we're very tired of enduring and surviving. I'm Charles Holmes. He's Van Lathen. Together, we're known as the Midnight Boys. And we're discussing the last of us, Ben. We have to talk about something serious. What? I think your mom might be sending you a message.

I think your mom might want to take you out. Because for those that don't know, Van has been very under the weather. He has a blister on his ubula. And his mom said, can you tell the people what your mom sent you? Please. She sent me some kind of cordyceps. mushroom situation. It's cure

mushrooms, corticeps, energy, and, I don't know, persistence or something. It's liquid mushroom extract. What did you do to your mom? Have you said sorry? It literally says cordyceps on the front of it.

It says corticeps. People have to tell me, corticeps must mean just means like, it must be like a generic word for fungi or or mushroom or something like that. Yes, it is a real. Oh, okay, cool. Because when I opened it up and I said,

yo, it says, it says, quarter this episode, and I'm like, I don't want to take this. I'm too deep into the lore of the last of us. Can you imagine? Like, this is like when COVID happened and everybody didn't want to drink Corona

for a couple months. And he's just like, yeah, you know, mushroom companies must be feeling it right now. They're like, God, damn. And the show's getting big, and it's becoming a part of the general lexicon. And it's, There's a real anti-mushroom movement out there right now.

I love mushrooms. So shout out mushroom. Shout out the umami out there. But guys, we are talking about the fifth episode, Endurance Survived, directed by Jeremy Webb, written by Craig Mason.

This episode, we start in the midst of a revolt at the Kansas City QZ where the people are rising up against Fedra. Kathleen kills all of the collaborators, but is desperate to find the last two, Henry and his brother Sam, after holding Joel and Ellie at gunpoint, Henry reveals that he really needs the duo's help. Henry tells Joel about how corrupt the Kansas City QZ had become and how Fedra pushed the infected underground.

Henry and Sam partnered up with Joel and Ellie, despite Joel saying he doesn't work with rats. The foursome find an older bunker in preschool where earlier settlers went after the first way of the infection. As Ellie and Sam grow closer, Henry reveals to Joel that to save Sam from leukemia, he had to give up Kathleen's brother, Michael, who was the leader of the resistance. Two, Fedra. Before the four could get safety, their ambushed by the resistance group, the underground infected escape and murder everyone. Unfortunately, Henry was bitten and attacked Ellie in the morning. Sam kills his brother to save Ellie and not able to stomach the grief.

He kills himself. Dan? Shambles. We got to be real. This episode is excellent. You came in here making a bold proclamation that I don't think I disagreed with. What was that bold proclamation you came in with? This is the best episode of the season.

It's the best episode of this season. And I saw episode three. I loved episode three. I called it one of the best episodes of television ever. And this one is better. I'm sorry, guys. This episode has almost perfectly crafted. Has almost everything you want out of an episode of television.

Drops us into the story. gets us acquainted with Henry and Sam, gets us acquainted with Kathleen even more. There is development. There is the debut of a new type of infected. There are huge accent stakes. There are stealth. There is bonding.

There is weight. To take these two characters and make us care as much as they did for them in the span of time that they did, and then to rip them away from us at the end. My God. I'm sorry. I was, a colleague was walking by.

I'm like, God, you got to watch this. Yo, this show is cooking. I'm sorry. This was amazing. Look, God damn it, that's all I got to say. Here's the thing, I finished the episode and immediately was like, okay, episode three makes sense now because they knew what they had

with this episode. Like when they were writing this episode, they're like, don't worry, everybody's going to be like, episode three, episode three, blah, blah, blah. But Craig Mazen and co, Druckman knew like, hey, bro, we got something even hotter. And I think what I loved about this episode and what I love about the series

is that every new character not only tells you something new about the world, but every character tells you something important about Joel and Ellie. What I mean by that is like episode three, Bill and Joel are both on a same journey, you know, trying to find what it means to be vulnerable and let people in at the end of the world. But I think what episode four and five do now is you see how Henry and Joel are both struggling with their morality during the apocalypse and what does it mean to be a bad person? What does it mean to be a good person?

What does it mean to destroy a part of yourself to take care of somebody younger? and to your point, I learned so much about Joel and Ellie by the show actually doing something brilliant, which is they kind of show you that like there's no bad people in this apocalypse. Kathleen has a reason for doing what she's doing. So does Henry.

So to Sam. These are all choices. And I love like, throughout this episode, I'm like, Kathleen's a crazy motherfucker. Don't get me wrong. But once they bring in the Michael reveal, I was like, God damn. Like, I get it.

Joel could have been. Kathleen easily. You know what I mean? Do you know who absolves Kathleen? Henry does. So I want to shout out to Kavana Woodard, who plays Henry, Lamar Scott, who plays Sam. Fantastic performances by the both of them. Brilliant writing in that he absolves her. When they are in the underground layer of children settlement situation,

the person that tells you what a great man Kathleen's brother was is Henry. Yeah. Henry gets put in an impossible position to where he has to choose between someone who is inherently virtuous, someone who everybody agrees is the right man for the job and that job is liberating those people from Fedra, right? Kathleen, wrong woman for the job, probably more brutal, but not particularly a great leader because she causes a lot of carnage. over a vendetta. You think she's the wrong person for the job? Without a doubt. No, because they say it in the episode.

She was the right person. She just got all of them killed. Well, here's the thing. She was the right person to probably lead the resistance to destroy Fedra. But she was the wrong person to lead them because a vendetta that her brother told her to let go. Yeah. ended up getting so many people, including herself, killed. Now, the KC resistance is probably runnerless.

Probably be out there like, I don't know, doing a Capoeira tournament to figure out who's going to lead them. You know, but what I'm saying is when he's talking down there and he's telling people about how great Michael was, he's giving you her motivation. Yeah. Imagine anyone, losing somebody like that as a leader is one thing.

Imagine losing that as a brother. And so now we understand her. We understand that she can't let go of it, just like Henry wouldn't be able to let go of Sam, just like Joel wouldn't be able to let go of Ellie. It would be the exact same thing. Like you said, nobody's wrong, but nobody's really right. Just brilliant storytelling in this episode. And I think I love that you brought up the conversation that they

ab underground because it's a mirror of the conversation that Joel has with Ellie in episode four when Ellie's like, are you a bad person? Like, what have you done? And Joel's basically trying to say, I've done whatever I've had to do to survive. It's so interesting because earlier in the episode, Joel was like, I don't work with rats. And it's almost like he's looking down at Henry for what he had to do. And by episodes end, you see them coming closer together where you realize, oh, what Henry and Joel and even Kathleen are fighting for, they're all the same. It's all the same. They will all do whatever it is necessary, not only to survive, but endure.

And that's a brilliant story, right? Because by the end, I was like, I didn't like Kathleen, but I got it. I understood it. That takes real acting on everybody's part because I was like, damn, Henry's not wrong. Kathleen is making some points. You know, it's interesting. There's a difference between building and protecting. Building is a math equation.

It's what you're willing to sacrifice, what you're willing to forego. Sometimes what you're willing to kill to get a foundation built, to get a structure built, to get a life built. I was listening to Shannon Sharp talk about his career and, you know, he never got married.

And he was saying, hey, he told his ladies in his life, he says, you know, you always come second to football. And some of the women were like, sure, I'll do that. But then when it actually came time to do it, they couldn't do it. Shane Sharp is a three-time Super Bowl champion and Hall of Famer. For a lot of people, building that type of career is not worth the sacrifices that you have to make. Right? Yeah, because you wound up by Tom Brady posting thirst traps on Twitter. Come on.

These are the facts. These are the facts. And in this world, what we're looking at is a struggle between rebuilding the world and protecting what it is that you already have. Yeah. Between, like, even with Ellie and Joel, Ellie represents the opportunity to rebuild the world. Joel is trying to

both pour into the idea that you are going to rebuild something and to the notion that he wants to protect her above all things. If not now, we see that developing episode and episode and episode. Kathleen in this episode has a lot of people who depend on her, who depend on her to give them freedom. That's what they fought from for Frederick. freedom, but the protective nature, her brother's memory is what drives her. So it's people that are sick of losing.

And like when you're building stuff, when you're setting down the roots of a society, sometimes you have to put the good of everybody else before your own personal feelings, but it's just hard to do it in this situation. And that is the situation that Henry finds himself at the end of the episode, We're seeing so much of this same theme, someone living for somebody else and that person being their purpose. Joel's found a new purpose in Ellie. Bill found his purpose in Frank. Kathleen had lost her protector, who was her brother, but she couldn't find purpose in overthrowing Fedra and rebuilding everything.

She had to have her vengeance. And when Sam was taken from Henry, he didn't have. have any purpose left. There was nothing left to build. There was no roots down left. There was nothing to go for. That had been, that was his thing. The virus took that. The fungus took that. And he

took his life. The show just the stakes in every scene are just ratcheted up to the next level, man. I mean, I think the thing thematically that is just working on such a grand level with this is that the show

is always asking us, do the ends justify the means. When Kathleen is like yelling at Henry and she says, well, kids die, Henry, they die all the time. You think the whole world revolves around him that he's worth everything. I'm like, oh, no, that's brilliant writing because that's exactly what Kathleen would say in that moment. But also, she's talking about Joel. She's not just talking about Henry. She's just like, is protecting this child, was it worth it? Was protecting Sam worth her brother? Was it worth all of the people who Bedra had to kill was being a rat worth this one little boy. What she is saying is the same thing that everybody who meets Joel and Ellie has that central question. Are all the people

that Joel has to kill, has to steal from worth this one small sliver of a chance that they can save the world? And what we're learning is, is honestly how fascism creeps in. Because if you think about it, Kathleen is so, so, so, so upset with Fedra that she's killing people without a trial. She's essentially become the monster that she built up a revolution to fight. Where it's just like the ends to her justify the means.

So she's just like, hey, they're not even going to get a trial. They're collaborators. Fucking kill them. It doesn't matter. And I think that's just so brilliant on so many levels. That's because she does it. She's not amazing. she's an exterminator

and there's a difference there's a difference between being a mason put together boom boom boom boom boom bo bo bo bo bo blocks blocks blocks build something and just disillating that and just exterminating everyone who you feel like is standing in your way

for a character like Kathleen there was always going to be a new enemy yeah there was always going to be somebody to kill told her hey let it go number one because he understood the decision that had been made, right? And number two, probably because he understood the distraction that a manhunt for Henry would pose to what they really should be doing, which is making a better life for the people in Kansas City.

The performance of Kivon Woodard in this is Henry cannot go unnoticed. It's just fantastic. The scene between Heather Joel. Both of the brothers are like... Both of the brothers. Nothing gets the rest of the actors. But what those two do in the course of one episode to make me care that much,

what they're on screen for like 40 minutes probably, collectively when it's all sitting done, one of the best acting performances I've seen in years. It's the same between him and Joel, where he's talking to Joel, like, I don't work with rats. He's like, today you do. You don't you with a rat today.

Like, yeah, you know, like at this point, he's, he's, showing him the entire situation and he's letting him know I have a plan to get us out. I was not sure how this was going to work out. There was a part of me, once again, I never played the

video game, there was a part of me that believed towards the end of this episode that they were going to go forth as the four of them. But my mind was like, that can't happen, right? That's not the way this works. This is not going to happen in this way.

I wasn't expecting it to resolve itself in this show. I was expecting at the beginning of the next show, middle of the next show, they leave, you know, maybe they walk by a basketball court, they can't help themselves, and they're playing one-on-one,

you know what I mean? But it's, you know, black guys in the apocalypse, they're getting some shots up. But we haven't seen anyone play basketball. We saw some soccer, all right? We saw some soccer, but all this means to me, this whole global health pandemic is that all the courts are open.

Br, I will be wet, bro. I'd be out there getting shots up. Are you insane there? Can you imagine tearing your ACL out on the court in the apocalypse? Oh, that would be bad, bro. You know what I'm saying? That would be bad, bro. But you know what the thing about your ACL is, though?

If you tear it, it'll heal. You know what I'm saying? I mean, like, but here's this. Will it heal in time for the effect? You know what I mean? Nah. Oh, yeah, because you got to run from the infected. How many torn ACLs do you think people got from running from the affected?

Like blowing out their Achilles? Joe, oh, bro. Does Joe like stretch? Hell no. In any of these movies, I never, in any of these zombie movies, I never see nobody doing any calisthenics. No stretching. You know what I mean? They should be stretching, no limber up, bro.

Because you got to run. you got to be, think about all the different movements that they do. Jumping around, squatting, climbing. Maybe they don't have to do it because life is different and they're not as sedentary. Well, we just got to talk about it. None of them had the juice at the end. I'm like, can y'all bob and weave? They were like, the zombies were coming and I'm like, bro.

Dog, that was insane, though, bro. When the thing was falling down, first of all, I don't know, like how it did it. fall into a sinkhole or something? So I think what happened is, so they're saying that like this, these developers basically overdeveloped. They created all of these towers. So what I'm assuming is,

is that when Fedra drove all of the infected underground, it's been three or four years. You have to think, we know what a quartercepts does on top. You know what I'm saying? We know what the museum was looking like. So think about all that foundation, like rotting over like three or four years. man.

That was what I was waiting for because in this show I was starting to think we're not getting a lot of infected zombie action and they just came with the thunder

they looked like insects. It wasn't even a group of infected it was a swarm of the little white girl was like a fucking she was crazy she was like a rabidist monkey

when she jumped at Kathleen I'm like what the fuck is happening right now? Yeah bro she was like from one of these scary conjuring movies. You don't have that weird little kid.

She was like Annabelle or something. She's going nuts. And then they had the big guy, the biggin. Oh, the bloater? Oh, he's called a bloter. When are we going to get Kai? Let's do Kai's video game corner. Can you talk about like the bloaters in the game?

Yeah, no, of course. The bloaters are crazy. I feel like this is something we've been teasing for a little bit, like on the pod and also in the show. There's a few references to it. Yeah, they're basically the rarest type of infect. definitely the most dangerous type of infected. They develop after just years,

takes years to reach the stage. And as you guys saw, covered in fungus from head to toe, unrecognizable, terrifying. The skin is nearly impenetrable. Like their body has like armor because they were shooting at this motherfucker and it was like,

boom, like, why are they super strong? He ripped that guy apart. That's completely accurate too. Like, if you get caught by a bloater in the game, as Joel,

he literally rips your head off. Like, it's gnarly. They're scary. They're terrifying. How long would a bloater have been infected? Years. Like three, four, or five, like years.

So there's not, there's only a few in the game. In the first one, there's only like two or three throughout the entire course of the game. So I like that they took this long to kind of cook and let it be this massive reveal in this big moment. Because those things, man, they're scary. They are scary. The other thing I want to talk about is Henry and Sam's story in the TV show is a departure from the game. We already talked about it last episode, but Kathleen, was created for the show.

And while Henry and Sam kind of like have a connection to the hunters, it is not as intertwined. Can you kind of describe to the audience the differences? All of their backstores brand new. Like you come across Henry and Sam by accident in the game and everything that had happened before they don't really even touch on. They just kind of say that the hunters are after them. So everything with Michael and Kathleen and their connection and even Sam being deaf and and having leukemia, like all of that's brand new.

And I think adds like an entirely new level of just, you know, tragicness there that their story has because their demise is the same in the game. Sam gets bit. He turns. Henry has to kill him to save Ellie. And then obviously he's overcome with grief. And then you see him shoot himself. So it's like that part is still just as tragic.

But the added element of like knowing their background and knowing that this kid is deaf and like he suffered from leukemia and all that stuff, it's just, and it's hard to watch. And if I remember from the cut scene, they allude to the fact that the hunters are essentially survival of the fittest. Like they don't believe in kids. Like, so that is something that I think they were kind of hinting at, maybe in the show, that to them, Sam is just like, why would you save this kid with leukemia? Like, he deserves to die. They're incredibly ruthless. Like, they only care about survival.

And I think that's plucked from the game. Another thing I wanted to mention real quick is that Henry and Sam in the show are actually a lot younger. I don't know how Henry is in the show. I don't know if they ever touch on it. It looks like late teenage years, maybe early 20s. And then they say Sam is eight years old. In the game, Henry's 25 and Sam is 13. And so Sam's a lot closer to Ellie's age.

Their relationship is still pretty similar in the show. Like they've become pretty close in a short amount of time just because they don't really see kids their age. So I thought that was an interesting change too. Snoring, gasping during sleep, feeling fatigue, ask your doctor about Zebbound, terseptide, the first and only FDA-approved prescription medicine for moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, OSA, and adults with obesity. Zepbound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, OSA, and obesity to improve their OSA.

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Let's talk about Ellie real quick. We got to go to Plucky Kid Corner because I wanted to ask you this, man. I have to ask you this. Is Sam such a better kid than, like, I was just like, I love Sam so much more. Here's the thing. Ellie came out of the pluck in this episode. This is the first episode where I felt attached to Ellie. She said, fuck the pluck.

She was a nurturing older sister. You know, she was strong. Ellie is starting to become a character, a reliable character in and of herself. You know, she, it wasn't about a lot of plug. She knows Joel a little bit more. You see her, the scene with her and Joel where they wake up and Henry and Sam are there. Asterical scene. Joe, she's like, is hysterical scene.

She is the clear head there. She is the well-adjusted one there. She is the one like, hey, Joel, tell them everything. It's cool. Joe's like, it's great. She's like, God damn it. That's not very reassuring, you know what I mean? And throughout the entire episode, like,

Ellie is like reliable and grounded and seems like she's getting adjusted to the way things are and seeing her as a caretaker changed her character for me a little bit because it showed a dimension to her that I wasn't aware was there quite yet.

her in the role of somebody that must make somebody else feel cool and make somebody else feel not scared. It was an amazing way to mature and grow her character showing that dynamic. Towards the end of it, you start to really, really feel for her, and I got really attached to her character even more so because she's now sort of like you see her innocence, you see the pluck, should I say, being stripped away from her. It's being taken. You can see it. You can see the fact that she just watched a man.

She watched a kid get killed and she watched a man blow his head off in front of her. And when she writes the message on his little communicator, that's your sketch thing. I'm scared to be alone. Ending up alone. It's just the entire thing is, it's hard. And I really connected with Ellie in this episode. Well, here's two things, though.

I almost cried. When, like, he knows he got bit. And, like, Ellie's trying to put her blood on it. I'm like, oh, this would, this is exactly what kids would try to do. And when he asked her, like, can you stay up with me? I was just like, oh, my God. And, like, I feel like an asshole now for thinking this because I really like, Sam is my guy.

I love Sam. I believe my brain. I'm like, it should have been Ellie. Damn. Damn. See what I'm saying, guy? See what I'm saying? See what I'm saying?

I do like the fact that. She thought that putting her blood in him was, I was thinking to myself, man, that can't work, bro. That's, that's brand new. That's brand new, too. That wasn't in the game. I got to be real, though. Like, I guess the education system during the apocalypse ain't the same because immediately I was just like, yo, Alie, can you not like contaminate this boy anymore? Like, he's done.

Like, let's contaminate him. She's immune. She don't care. What's that? She out there just going to do. Vaccines don't work like that. She didn't know. Okay.

it worked like that in Shee Hulk. Let's be honest. If we take the Sheehog theory, look, comic book readers know how that really happened, but Marvel said, fuck it. If we take the Shee Hulk theory, then whatever's in your blood, if it mixes with somebody else's blood,

you will become that. So she probably saw She Hulk. What is it, 2023 in this episode? She Hulk would have come out in 2022, so this might be, maybe she saw she, no, well, no, there would have been no She Hulk because it'd been down for a long time. She maybe she heard about it

There's no way she could have heard about Shehawk That joke's not gonna work But what I'm saying is The Shehawk theory of blood transfusion Is that if you're the accident And your blood mixes with somebody else's blood You'll take on the attributes of their blood So she tried it

It didn't work. Poor little bastard He had such a tough life Think about his life Think about the life of a Sam That sucks, bro The reason I love him He was so fucking happy bro

His life sucked And he was just like, oh, la-di-da, draw. Like, when he gave him the crayons, he was like the happiest little kid. He's like, oh, boy, crayons. I was just like, I love Sam so fucking much. Don't kill him. Bro, man. That shit was, and I knew it.

I knew it when they were alone in the room. I was like, this motherfucker got bit, bro. Like, I knew. When they were down there and they were kicking, I was like, there's no way they don't get bit. It's impossible for them not to get bit. They're going, like, they're going to get bit. They're kicking their legs out there. They're infected or there.

It's going to be a bite. or a scratch or something, he's so lucky that they didn't go in there and tell Joel, Joe would have been like, hey, I'm sorry, man. That's why I didn't tell Joel. I was just like, she already, you know,

she already woke up. Couldn't have compromised the entire mission. You know, compromise the entire mission. Like another little infected child flipping around and being all acrobatic like the girl in the car. Wait, we have to ask this. Before we depart from Kai's Video Game Corner, really quick,

my last question for video game corner. Are the infected children in the games as spider monkey like as they are in this? Because whenever it gets infected, that motherfucker got Spider-Man powers. They just like jumping out of nowhere. Honestly, I can't remember any time

that there were any kind of infected children in the game. So that was like, when she hopped in the vehicle, I was like, no, I'm not messing with that. I don't recall anything like that in the games, to be honest of you. I'm glad that they didn't go up against Super Bowl Sunday with this. Because we're going to all be in a food coma,

drunk, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's Super Bowl. We're American. Oh, and football. Oh, and Packard my home. Packwick, Baham. That's how we're going to be. This is how everybody's going to be Sunday. Sunday around 7 Pacific, 10 Eastern.

They're in football. He'd be. Patrick, my home. That's how we're going to be. And we would have not been in the right mindset to watch this brilliant, touching, amazing hour of television. Let me tell you something right now. The Last of Us is cooking on a level heretofore,

not seen by television zombie situation. Oh, are you ready to say it? And maybe it's standing on the shoulders of shows like The Walking Dead, Fear of the Walking Dead. Fear of the Walking Dead, the dance of the Walking Dead, Walking Dead Brasers edition. All right. Walking Dead in Paradise. Like, naked and afraid, walking dead.

And all of the different Walking Deads that are out there, maybe it's standing on the shoulders of those shows. But right now, five episodes in, this is some fantastic Pascal, Pascaling. Let's do it. So, Kai, I want to ask you first, we've been talking around it a little bit. Do you think that this episode is better than episode three? Man. For me, I think I still got to rock with three. Just because it's so new to me.

Like I, not that knowing what would happen diminished this in any way, I just think three was such a surprise coming from the video game and such a brilliant surprise at that. But this is a close second. This is a really great episode. Charles, what about you? Here's the thing. Man, think I got to rock with you.

I think like episode three. is still like all-time great. But I think this episode is more representative of the show, where it's like, I couldn't just give episode three to somebody and be like, yo, watch this. I could give episode five to somebody and be like, this has everything about what the show is trying to do. It makes, I was talking to Kai about it, it instantly makes the main storyline just as compelling as Bill and Frank.

Now I care so much more about Joel and Ellie. because of everything they went through in Kansas City. I think the stakes are just as high. I think also people are going to yell at me. I think the two brothers, what they do in this episode, acting-wise, is on par, is just as great as everything we saw with Bull and break. I think the acting performances are just as great

from both of those actors in different ways. I really loved it. I don't even want to watch the Super Bowl. I'll be honest with you guys. I'm not watching. You're not going to watch the Blackest Super Bowl, really? It's black, whatever. Everybody talk about how black the Super Bowl going to be.

It's in the NFL, baby. Okay? It's only so black it can be. How black can the Super Bowl be when the NFL literally fired a dude for standing up for black people? I don't care about it, you know? I care about it. I want to watch the game.

But I'm too filled up with emotions right now to care about football. Run around, throw the ball. Nicole Hardman. You know what I mean? Jalen Hertz. I love these guys. You know what I care about? I care about Ellie and Joel.

That's my Super Bowl. My Super Bowl is going to be, my Super Bowl is in Wyoming. That's where my Super Bowl is it. They're going to walk to Wyoming from Kansas City. Some people might ask, why are they in Kansas City from Boston when they're going to Wyoming? That's a question some people might ask. I don't know how they got there. You tell me, Kai, is that in the video game?

Like poor map recognition? I don't think it's Kansas City in the video game. It's Pittsburgh. Yeah, it's Pittsburgh in the video game. So they're kind of switching that whole thing up in terms of like how they're traveling and where they're going. Also, I got to be real.

I love Henry, but we got to stop doing this trope. Henry turned on, you know, the black is real quick. He's like, yo, this kill a city. You won't know my city, Joe. I'm like, bro. What the fuck?

I started cracking up. I'm like, bro, why are you talking to Joe like this? This man going to kill you. Dog, also, Pedro Pascal, I know he's getting overshadowed a little bit in this, but, dog, Pedro got the look like he will kill you. you at five seconds. Like every single time he looks at

a motherfucker, like I would never trust this motherfucker in the apocalypse. He looks crazy. Pedro's doing this thing. Let me tell you guys. I think right now we should all make a pack not to watch the Super Bowl.

That's bold. That's how effective this is. I don't follow your ass watching the Super Bowl. Come on, man. No, I'm going to be watching more Long Wolf versus Cub situations. Now all I want to do is connect with other people.

Brough, you don't fucking tell me. I'm not watching. What I'm going to do? do right now is I'm going to watch. I'm probably going to watch. I don't know. Give me a lone wolf. I'm going to watch the entire season of the Mandalorian. I want to feel. This episode has me wanting to feel. You know what I mean? It has me wanting to feel.

I want to feel. It's really good television. I'm watching Super Bowl for sure. It's great television. I think that is a great place to wrap up. Yo, thank you so much to Kai. Patrick Mahal. Thank you for God for producing this episode. Thank you to my NFL hater of a rifle hater of this podcast. co-host, Ben Layton, and guys, we're going to see you next week. Enjoy Super Bowl. Peace.

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