The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘The Pitt’ Episode 15: The Season Finale Recap

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Jo and Rob close out their shift on ‘The Pitt’ by discussing the last few cases (4:30); moments of growth for the doctors (13:08); Part 3 of the PittFest investigative series, “Let’s Hear It From the Yinzers” (28:43); and the emotional debrief from Dr. Robby (42:07). Finally, a list of listener-submitted music festivals (52:05). Email us! [e-mail] Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of ‘The Prestige TV Podcast’ and so much more! Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Producers: Kai Grady and Donnie Beacham Jr. Video Supervision: John Richter Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're here to talk to you about the pit finale. Rob Mahoney, just off the top. Yeah. How are you feeling about that? the pit finale. Solid finale. Great season. I just had a wonderful time with this show.

It just works. You know, fundamentally, it just works. I didn't know how much I needed this kind of procedural in my life, but I did. How are you feeling about it, Joe? Really good. I will say, like, as a whole, as a season, kind of 10 out of 10, maybe 9.8 out of 10, but basically a 10 out of 10. Actually, like, let's say 9.8, 9.5 because, like, I don't know that it ever, for there's like a height.

It didn't quite hit for me. But your assessment at the beginning of the season in which we were not nearly as high as we are now on the pit as like well-made furniture TV, like that is absolutely what the pit is. And as like an entirety in like in its entirety as an accomplishment, extraordinary. Are there moments of television or visuals in television

or bits of, you know, monologues or dialogues in television that have hit a little bit higher for me. Yes. This isn't like hitting Shogun, you know, levels for me. But just I'm so glad we covered it. Thanks to Bill Simmons. He's the one who told us to do it. He was right. So here we are.

He was on it. The thing that has struck me most about it is I have not been historically a huge medical procedural person. And I feel like I may have been missing. out and maybe this is a reason for me to go back and watch, watch ER and really revisit some of this because one of my absolute favorite things to see on screen period in any format, in any genre, Joe, I love teamwork. I just, I love watching it. I love a different kind of chemistry where there is shared focus, where there's like the physical choreography of surgeons and nurses and doctors huddled around someone, like they know their stuff, they know each other well enough to sort of

preempt what they're supposed to do. I love, I love watching it. And so, yeah, like, as, far as delivering on what a procedural is aiming to be and supposed to be, it's hard to ask much more of a medical procedural than this. I really agree. If we're measuring by the stick of medical procedural, this is like, it's really good. Rem de la Crem. This is incredible. Okay.

So here's what we're going to do today. Obviously, we're going to break down the finale. We're going to talk about where we leave all of our characters. And then we are going to conclude parts three and four of our very special prestige. investigation into who played Pit Fest 2025. We've got two more categories to go. Can we get an intrepid graphic designer to mock

up a Pit Fest lineup list? Is that something that's within our power to commission? Here's here are remaining two categories. Okay. One is we hear from the Yinsers. We hear from the locals in Pittsburgh who have some specific ideas

about who might have been playing Pit Fest. The other is I'm going to call Do You Even Festival Bro? And it's from all the people who were afraid that you and I had never heard of a music festival before in our life, but write some compelling emails in support of kind of their local music festivals and the variety of acts that they've seen there. So we're going to maybe run through those that maybe those will give people an idea. You know, it's April. We're headed into summer. Yeah. If you're a music festival kind of person, maybe this will, will inspire you to do some

music festing this summer. Okay. Or if you run a music festival, and want to commission us to program your festival. I think we could do it. Or if you run a music festival and you're looking for a podcast stage? I don't think that's the audience for us. I don't think a live podcast into a music festival is quite the right fit for us. Rob and I will appreciate your ambition. Look, we'll do that.

You put us in a tent with the mildest soundproofing. And I think we can make it work. Other than that, we might get drowned out. A producer's nightmare, but let's give it a try. Why not? Okay, here's something I want to say. Something we forgot to talk about in episode 14 is that it ends with this cliffhanger of like, dun, dun, the cops are here for McKay, right?

They didn't talk about that. Resolved pretty instantly. And the only thing that I can think of, I mean, it was a pretty silly cliffhanger. And the only thing I can think of in terms of how we balance this equation of like who these people are is it's one of those moments where we bumped a bit on Robbie and McKay's dynamic around. David. This was like them at their most sort of locking horns all season. And yet, of course, Robbie's like going to swoop in and protect McKay because she's one of his. So, you know, he's, we bring the cops in to talk to the other cops. And McCay...

Well, cops can only talk to other cops. Everyone knows that. They don't, they don't hear doctors when they talk to them. But they heard the other cops when the other cops are talking to them. And they left, let McKay off with a warning. Anything else to listen to this? Yeah, everything you're saying makes sense as far as like kind of giving us a follow-up on the Robbie McKay dynamic. I would say, and we just lavish the show with praise, this doesn't need to be a cliffhanger. This could just be a scene.

Correct. In which you don't dangle it as if this is a real thing when it is so clearly and obviously not. It was just, it was such a bogus transition between the two episodes unless if you want to book Dr. McKay in episode one of the Pitt PD, let's backdoor pilot this thing right now. but you got to take her out of the hospital. You can't be letting her out of the cuffs right now. Rob, oh my God. I'm just saying, like, are you,

are you secretly pinching Casey Blois right now? I have the vision of a streamer, you know? When I, when I, when I dream at night, I'm just, I'm seeing interfaces. I'm seeing tiles. I just, I'm algorithmically, I'm algorithmically, I'm just, I'm just pulling it together, Joe. I'm just algorithmically trying to navigate your life.

Great. Okay. So here, here are the cases that we're wrapping up mainly. in this final episode. We were wrapping with the measles case. We're wrapping up Santos and the Blue Kid case. He was quite blue. Very blue.

And Hector and the crushed pelvis, which I believe is headlining Pit Fest 2020. For some reason when you said Hector and the Crush Pelvis, I got more of like a Harold in the Purple Crayon, a children's book kind of image in my head, but I think yours is better. Where do you want to start? Choose your own adventure of those three cases. Let's start with, I just think it's very ambitious for a show like The Pit with two episodes left to introduce the big bad of the entire season, who is Measel Mom. Just an instantly hateable character thrown into the mix so that we all can gather around and point at her and say, what is wrong with this lady? Okay.

Measel Mom sucks. Just unequivocally sucks. Sucks. Just definitely sucks. Robbie takes measle dad, which I add. These are their Christian names. Robbie takes measle dad into the morgue in this like kind of incredible sequence where he's like walking and talking him the whole way. Tell me about your kid.

Tell me about his games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we know where he's walking him. We're like, Jesus Christ, Robbie, right? As does every character who hears about this throughout the episode later. They're like, thank goodness. What the fuck did you do exactly? Okay.

So walks him into the morgue. work. Measel Dad says you're an asshole. And then Robbie gets another one of those like sort of I would have sniffed it out of the episode. Yeah, I'm an asshole who's trying to save your son's life. Like sort of muttered to himself. And I was just sort of like, yeah, we know.

I mean, we know what you're trying to do. Yeah, we get it. Also, this is not the move. Don't take him to the morgue, please. Well, or did it work? Because it seems like it kind of worked. I don't know. Joe a real means to an end kind of thing.

I wouldn't do it myself. Strictly utilitarian. Here's where I'm going to be a little bit of a wet blanket on our pit praise. Okay. It has to do with Measel Mom. Yes. Can you think of an instance this season where we had loved ones that were a man and a woman paired, and the woman was not the problem in the scenario? That's a great question.

We get it with the DNR early. Yep. In terms of the brother and sister of your dad. Yeah. And with the kid, and then with the kid who. ODs and they're asking about organ. Organ donation. That one to me is a little different, right?

That's not treatment. That's... But it's still, she was like... She was the holdout. Like, hysterically upset about it. Right. And so, I believe that plenty of women, let alone moms, are hysterically upset about things in ER.

And I think that is like a fine thing to depict. I'm not sure it was... I feel like every time Robbie needs to, like, talk. people around. He's got to talk to the guy and then go ahead and convince the woman. You know what I mean? And that, like, it just hit one last time. Meisel mom was just so bad. She was very over the top. I was just like, Jesus. I do think we got some dads in that equation. I mean, softball dad. Softball dad is the one case in point. But there was no mom there to be the counterpoint to say the right thing. And yeah, that's where I hear you. And I mean, we did get progesterone abuser dad. He's, was a patient and not a dad overseeing the care of his kids. So slightly different scenario. But yeah, I hear you on that front. And like there is a certain, I would say the difference is this woman is not being played

for emotional hysteria. She's being played for like a certain sort of like internet, know it all self-cultivated proficiency where she actually has none. So it is a slightly different pitch of that same thing. But you're right. It is often the moms. And. But that being said, obviously Measelmom sucks.

And obviously, I'm glad that Dr. Mel King got to do the spinal tap. And all of that resolved the way that it did. Joe, how much do you know about a spinal tap? The band, the mockumentary. Not the mockumentary, nor the band, but the actual medical procedure. Here's everything I, Joanna Robinson, a daughter of medical professionals, but have never expressed actual interest in knowing anything about what my parents do. You put something into the spine and then collect liquid that comes out.

Yeah. That's everything I know about a spinal time. I know as much as you do, which is you're collecting that spinal fluid. My question is the portrayal of it in this show is roughly a leaky faucet of spinal fluid into a vile that Mel King is catching with her hand. Please email us at prestige TV at Spotify.com.

Is this really how a spinal tap works? How do you, like, do you plug it back up? Like, how do you keep the spinal, like, you got to put a cork in it? Like, what do you do? I think you got to put a cork in it. I mean, this is basically the plot of the substance in a lot of ways, but also, like,

yes, spinal fluid is the source of, like, all kinds of terrible medical situations that people can find themselves in. And so the idea that it's just sort of like, leaking out of a needle with a spigot. I did not know this is how it was. And I kind of hope that it's not, but it shows been accurate on so many other medical things.

I'm afraid to say that it probably is. You're like, please let this be on the slap bracelet end of accuracy on the pit. Anything else you want to say about this measles case? No, I think it's pretty open and shut. Otherwise, I do wish the measle mom had been a little more fleshed out in a slightly more sympathetic fashion, that she had some redeeming quality to her. that would make it make sense. But otherwise, she's just a lady representing a cause in a way that is quite blunt.

And in a way that like the rest of the season felt like it had so much leisurely time to not make people. You know, because like even with the DNR, you know, that was such an incredible evolution of that woman in the DNR when we were like, why is she resisting this? Robbie seems right. Her brother seems so reasonable. Why is she being so unreasonable? and then we get that sort of deathbed reason that makes us really sort of invest in her. Measelmaum, unless she's back in season two, remains a caricature, alas, at the end of the day. Okay.

Let's talk about, I would like to talk about Santos. Yeah, please. So Santos, who all season we've been tracking her bedside manner, has this moment with this blue kid, who is no longer blue, blue plus blue equals pink, as Langdon tells us. That's math. And she talks about, you know, she had already alluded to a history of abuse, sexual abuse when she was younger. She talks about a friend she had who killed herself as a result of that shared experience that they had in helping this kid saying, you know, she wants to make sure this, she doesn't want to hand this kid off. She wants to make sure he doesn't slip through the cracks. Yeah.

Um, she not only seems to like correctively, correct, correctly, correct, correctly diagnose him and hopefully give him the kind of bedside chat that will help him going forward. That's what it seems to have happened. Um, but then also we follow this up with the, with the Whitaker Cota. So it all feels like it bleeds together for me, this sort of end of season moment of. Um, moment of. of growth for Santos or end of a single day in a person's life, a character arc for Santos. How are you feeling about this? I mean, you can grow a lot in 15 hours, it turns out. I think for her, the idea that she is not only learning how to approach patients differently and to hear them out, but she's also learning how to apply her own experience a little bit differently.

Like when she brought up her previous abuse, it was in a way that was irresponsible and dangerous and outside of the realm of normal medical practice. Correct. Here she's bringing it up to not, in a situation where, as you said, she's not only right about the merits of what's happening in the case, but she's using it as a point of connection, not as a point of threat or division or to drive a point home.

Like, she's trying to get Max to open up by offering something of herself. And we just haven't seen Sandra's open up to basically anybody else this season on the staff or not. Like she has kept to herself, she's kept to her ambition, She's kept to trying to get into the red zone as quickly as possible to do the most adventurous medical things. And if anything, this is her embracing her inner like Dr. Mohan a little bit, right?

Like slowing down, connect with the patient. She's coming from the other side of the spectrum in terms of medical practice and is trying to fight her way into actually caring about these people. And it's cool to see her get there with Max. On the flip side of that, I love that you invoked Mohan because on the flip side of that, we get this, you know, this high from Mohan, who's just sort of of like, she's deranged, I will say. Adrenaline up and then crash.

And two things I want to know. One, I really, like the, the actress who plays Mohan, Supriya Ganesh is so beautiful. It's hard to make her not beautiful

and they don't succeed, but slightly frizzing out the tendrils around her face as she is like in this unhinged mode was pretty phenomenal. But, Also, you know, Dr. McKay saying like you're about to crash and then watching her in the bathroom cry. And the detail to me in that moment is she's washing her hands in the sink.

And there's not just like blood in the trash can, like bloody paper towels in the trash can, but like under the soap dispenser is just like smears of blood. And it's just like this is the aftermath we're existing in. Shout to like the split and splat team that just went in there to blood that thing up. There's even like little like shoe marks. Is that an industry term? It is.

Yeah. It's official. I mean, look for best splitting and splating at the Emmys this year. I think we just need to recognize our crafts. It's as me and her team,

I think, on the splitting and splatting beat. Wow. Incredible. Anything else you want to say? What else do you want to say about Mohan? I mean, yeah. She is behaving like a lunatic

for most of this episode in a very enjoyable way and one that I love to see her in and I think that performance is super fun. She's also sort of juxtaposed, we should say, with Javadi as well, who is already well into the crash, completely gassed, ready for a nap.

And yeah, I love, I think one of the best things about this finale to me, which is a cool down episode, right? Like we kind of climax with 12 and 13, and then we're cooling down over these last two overall. There are some cases coming in the door. There's still plenty of emergency medicine to participate in, but its characters getting off the clock,

trying to get out of their shifts and go home. Someone like Javadi, too, like, the character beat of her just like in the elevator for getting to get out and she sort of slouched against the gurney, I thought was wonderful. That was an extremely real... I was like, I have been there. I've not, you know, but yes.

Just zonked out of her mind. And so, yeah, they were seeing all of these characters wind down in their different ways. I found to be a really enjoyable part of this finale and a way to kind of give us different points of connection from what we've seen. Like, Javati's been so eager and procoval. this whole season. To see her at Energy Zero, I thought was really exciting. To see Mohan

revved up in a way she's never been before, we love to see it. Like, I just love to see these characters in slightly different emotional places, if only because they've had this incredibly traumatic experience together. And Victoria being like, you know, I'm not sure everyone like, this day might have put me off practicing medicine altogether. Like, how do you guys deal with this? How do you, how do you, you know, experience all of this? Which is a similar question that, you know, was a question that was put to Mel King in episode 14 and she just said, I don't know. And that was sort of right before her breakdown. Victoria is asking this question, how do you do all of this? And, but then she also gets, you know,

she had several medical wins, but she also gets this social win with, like, Mateo being like, let's go get beers with people in the, in the park across the street. Look, it's an unquestionable win. Yeah. I'm going to say on Mateo's part, a bit of a bit a misleading invitation. He might actually be interested in her. You don't know. I don't doubt it. But for him to come up and be like, hey, do you want to get a drink? She says yes. He's like, oh, eight of us are going to the park across the street.

Like, that's not quite what you asked, you know? You're right. And you're right. And you should say it. He did give her a juice box, though, earlier. He did. He already bought her one drink. This is just the second drink. Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right. Let's go now to your favorite couple

which is Abbott and Walsh Love him Basically this is Hector the crushed pelvis This is hospital staff Crushed Pelvis on the Loading Dock Robbie and Jack are initially on this

I did love this moment when Shen and Ellis come in and they're like two old white guys posture patient was like a great moment from the nightship Shen and Ellis, an unbeatable duo. Later when they're doing rounds and the night crawler guys, like there were rats on their bed. And Alice is like, okay, sir, we'll get into that for you. You put this question to me in the last pod, Joe,

I want your answer on it. Do you want the pit night shift? The only reason I would want the pit night shift is that if we could get two pits a year, I don't mean to be greedy and overstretched them. Like, basically take your time, take however long you need to make a great episode of the season of the pit. But if we could be so lucky, we used to live in a society

with 22 episodes of season. We did. If we could be so lucky as to get 15 episode day shift, 15 episode night shift in two different seasons of the year. That is more hours

than there are in the day. I don't know what to tell you. The shifts are bleeding into each other at that point. But that's what you like. You like this handover. We can get some of the day shift coming in at the end of the night shift season,

you know? You're absolutely right. All right. So initially it's Robbie and it's Jack. But as you noted in the previous episode, Robbie is not fine out of the beads room. He is not doing well. And he just starts to zone out in Hector's room when they're trying to decide about sort of slightly experimental procedures, pack his pelvis with some things that are going to stop the bleeding.

He can't even concur, Joe. Like, he can't even agree with the basis of, like, medical recommendation. Do you concur? So it's Walsh and it's Abbott and they're just sort of like going back and forth and looking to Robbie for this sort of final go ahead and Robbie is incapable of interacting. And Walsh just like, okay, I guess we're doing this then. This is why I like Walsh, that. Like, she's a bit of a ballbuster at times.

But ultimately, she's like, fuck it. Let's do it. I'm going to scrub up. We're going to make this thing work here rather than in the OR. Like, she is game to participate in the discourse. And that's what I appreciate about, Dr. Walsh. I did like her in this episode. I thought that was great.

And I, you know, in general, I do like a ballbuster. Okay. So, um, what else do? Let's talk about Dana. Okay. We didn't talk about her. Let's talk about Robbie Langdon and Dana, right? So we get Langdon is like, Linden's like, oh, God, there's only one more

hour left of the season of television. I need some answers on what we're going to do with my situation here. And he approaches Robbie in the ambulance bay in a way that I would say it was not entirely productive. But we do get some nice exposition from Robbie about what it would take. And this echoes an email we got from a listener two weeks ago about sort of if you get treatment, there is a road back from, I guess the gentle term is diverting medication from the ER. That's quite gentle for stealing.

Diversion of medication. For just stealing very intense drugs. The Dana Langdon scene though. Yeah. Which is an incredible television scene because we get Dana comes in, we know Dana has already mentioned like this might be it for her, right?

And at the end of this episode we see her pack up her like personals and looks like maybe she's not coming back for season two of the pit. Calamity. She better come back. Okay. But. Yeah, if we have any demands, Nurse Dana has to be back for season two.

Let's throw the entirety of the pit night shift in the trash if it means I can get Dana back for season two. I'm willing to do it. Okay. So in this scene, they go into the break, room and her entire purpose of being in there is to make a cup of coffee. One single cup of coffee. Just one cup of coffee for poor fucking Dana who has been on her feet all day, except for

that time when someone punched her into the ground. Okay? So like get this one in a cup of coffee. Can't happen. The moment that Dana had to wash her own mug. Heartbreaking. Because no one had done their dishes and she just needed a mug for a cup of coffee. I was like, you fucking animals

You're absolute animals Look, it's been busy I don't care No? When Dana needs a cup of coffee There should be a clean mug for her And I feel very strongly about that She walks out of the room

Not getting her cup of coffee She does not get the cup of coffee She has this interaction with Langdon She does give us the lethal weapon I'm too old for this shit Moment And she has that moment where he's like he's he's sort of you know he's bartering and he's like robbie's wrong robbie is the

wrong idea you know blah blah blah she's like trust Robbie he will do what's best for you she keeps calling him kid uh even though he's like a 40-something year old man whatever um and then uh and then he's like he thinks i'm an attic and she goes are you and in a way that like really reminded me of um the john carter scenes that you and i had looked at from his conference in a break room in the ER about his addiction. How did this Dana Langdon or the Robbie Langdon stuff work for you? I mean, I think the Dana Langdon stuff, especially as you highlighted, just a great scene. In particular, because I am very invested in Dana getting her copy.

And it is heartbreaking to watch her walk out of there. Just having to listen to Langdon grouse and basically not even beg and ask, but like, I need you to back me up. If I'm like, can I just tell you, Rob, if I'm LinkedIn, if you and I are in this situation, And you are Dana and I am Langdon. I am washing that mug for you. You're making her the coffee. I am making the coffee. God damn it.

Okay, go ahead. A career saving favor and you can't even make the woman a cup of coffee. Jesus Christ. I think Langdon's pitch overall with all of these pleas is just way off. And I think my question about his interaction with Robbie out in the ambulance bay is, did he burn this bridge or did he shake it a bit? Because when he turns it personal, pointing the finger at Robbie and saying, well, what about you, guy having a breakdown in the Peds room?

Aren't you broken by this in the same way that I'm broken about this? Or more by this line of work than I am. And once he does that, I'm curious to see if they try to come back from that or not. Like, Robbie is the kind of guy who, having slept on something, might come back with a more compassionate response. Or even just kind of the same offer. Like, look, the deal is still the same. You go away for your 30-day treatment program.

You can come back and will help you with whatever the next steps are. but I mean, Langdon comes in really aggressive with him. And like just so accusatory. I just, I just, as as Langdon's attorney, I would like to suggest that these are not the moves whatsoever. Anything that he's doing here. And do I want Langdon back in the pit? Yeah, because that's good drama. It is good drama.

So I would like him to do a better job that he's doing of arguing himself back. What do you make in the fact that Dr. Collins doesn't show up at all for the rest of? you know, this back stretch of the season. She's on your eye off. That was pretty surprising, but canonically, that woman's got her phone off and is trying to get some sleep. She slept right through a mass casualty.

She looked better for it. It seemed like a pretty tough experience for everybody involved. I'm surprised by it, just from like a TV standpoint. It seemed like she would come in in the 11th hour and like kind of jump in in the way that Langdon did and kind of give a helping hand. But the fact that it was Langdon who came back and not Collins, it's a fascinating kind of twist of the knife

as far as the drama goes and clearly, like he was really valuable in treating all these patients in a moment of crisis. And as soon as the temperature got turned down, everyone starts looking around, who knows about what happened is like, so what's this guy doing here now? He's just back.

Santos is alarmed. Robbie is constantly telling him to go home. The nurses are chattering. Dana, as we're told in this episode or reminded in this episode, knows that Langdon was sent home but was very specifically not told the extent of what he did does.

Well, yeah, I mean, he came out with. it. Or he came out with a version of it that is just not very convincing. What he tells Robbie that I was taking these drugs to treat my withdrawal symptoms and not as an addict, I was never high on the job is just about the least convincing line in this entire show. The playoffs are here and you can predict the action all the way to the finals with Fandul predicts. Follow all the playoff dishes, swishes, wishes, wishes, and misses. predict the spread, the total point. and even the game winner.

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All right, so given that we're just talking about the legend that is Dana, who seems to me and to our listeners to be the most Pittsburghian of Pittsburgh. characters. Quite. Let's go to part three of our investigation into Pit Fest. Okay. And let's hear from the Jensers. Okay.

Are you going to do the accent or no? No. Not even if I could. I just want to make sure. Here's some local information that I found very illuminating. Okay. Dana suggests that the one thing always brings Pittsburghers of all ages and ilk together and it's fireworks.

And she said, maybe Pitfest features a Zambelly fireworks display at concert end. That sounds so specific. I don't know who the Zambelly fireworks people are, but apparently all of Pittsburgh likes their work. I bet they're doing great work. We got multiple suggestions from locals for Rusted Route. Okay.

They're from Pittsburgh, and some members are or have been local music teachers, so they would have a more diverse audience in their hometown than they would in other cities. So, Rusted Root. Brenner writes in about Wiz Khalifa. Brenner writes Wiz Khalifa probably Pittsburgh's biggest musical export right now. There's a chance he could have gotten Snoop there, who likes to rep PGH sports gear and has collaborated on songs.

I think the kids could be into Wiz. Though I don't know, they are young and I'm 35, and he was just getting big when I was their age. So, oh God. And our old stoner buddy could vibe with him and Snoop on the marijuana of it all. maybe. Okay. So don't put it past an old stoner in Pittsburgh to like literally any music.

We're not terribly judgmental people. We like to have a good time. Do you think the hippie has seen Furious Seven? I think he loves the entire Fast and Furious franchise. I would hope so. Okay. Joshua points out that there is a musical festival in Pennsylvania, the four-cord music festival. Okay.

And this year's lineup is Blink 182, Jimmy Eat World, Jawbreaker, and Bowling for Soup. This is, I mean, we're hitting a little close to home yet again, Joe. Does that sound right? Do you feel like Pit Fest is for you, Rob Mahoney? I mean, it depends on who's in the lineup. Like this version, see, some of these acts I've seen before, some of them I would not see in their current nostalgia slash reunion phases. Bowling for soup? Plano Legends, if I'm not mistaken.

Plano Texas Legends, my hometown. Shout out to Bowling for Soup. I would see Bowling for Soup if I happened to be at a festival where they were playing. Would I go out of my way to see bowling for soup in concert? I cannot say that in 2025 I would. Last but not least, and this will wrap up this section of our investigation, multiple people from Pittsburgh wrote in to tell us about what they call a locally famous dad rock band, the Clarks. Had you heard of the Clarks? Had not heard of the Clarks. I tuned in. I checked them out. I also

checked out some YouTube clips. I watched a clip of them on Pittsburgh today. Some live clips. Very like dad banned inoffensive. Soft alt rock Americana. They are what they sound like. And have been going like since like their front man is this like tall drink of water. You can watch him from like the early 90s with like a big like dark. Poof of hair and then here he is on Pittsburgh today still now with like a gray Poof of hair and he's just like still doing it. Also, did you know that Pittsburgh has a very famous rib fest? This is part of the whole Clark's information that we got from people. Okay, you have my attention now, Joe.

Yeah. It's like a three-day festival dedicated to the deliciousness that is ribs. and one of our listeners Rachel wrote, I assume Pit Fest is an amalgamation of our various summer festivals Art Fest, Rib Fest, Picklesburg.

Picklesburg? Ribfest and Picklesburg. Two delights you can enjoy in Pittsburgh. I hope they're adjacent. I hope they're connecting festivals. A Chaser. A Picklesburg Chaser. You want the acid with the barbecue for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? As we ponder season two of the pit, which is imminent, we should say. Well, close to eminent. It's on the books. There is a plan. This show will be back in January.

Joe, and I'm thrilled about it. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how much I want to be going home with the staff because I love being on the floor. I suspect we will be. But you kind of want to go to Picklesburg? This is the thing. If the pitches were going to Picklesburg, that's a different enterprise than am I going to

see Santos Whitaker roommate hijinks. Right. She knows Krob Maga, though, so I just want you to consider that. Look, if Santos wants to do Krov Maga on the show, that's, again, different. If she wants to do Krav Maga at Picklesburg, all the better. Okay, here's another full circle moment, and I want to get into this another incredible email that is nothing to do with music. Take a breather from Pitfest. Okay.

We wind up back on the roof as we did the beginning of the season. Robbie is up there. Dr. Abbott goes up to find Robbie there, has some very important information about whether or not DoorDash will come up to the roof or not. Yeah. And is sort of talking Robbie down from the roof to a certain degree. and we've got these two sort of leader of men. We talked two weeks ago about Jack Abbott and what adding him into the show did. Sean Hattesey gave a great interview as part of that big Vanity Fair package about episode 12.

He was talking about how hard it was for him to come in like 12 episodes later. These people have all been working together for like 12 episodes. And he's just sort of like, hi, I'm here. And he was like very stressed out about, um, you know, integrating back into the cast. But we learn in this episode, as we already clocked, Dr. Abbott, it was a, you know, a combat medic, like, had worked in combat. And then we get this reveal at the end of the episode that he has this prosthetic on his leg. Yeah.

Which we should say means he had a prosthetic leg and was donating blood out of the other leg. Off the leg. Yeah, exactly. Or was it the same leg? No, no, I think it was the other leg. Yeah, yeah. I mean, hardcore, either way, this guy. So that's what we know about Dr. Abbott based on his backpack and other things.

Here's what we now know about Dr. Robbie based on his backpack. Thanks to an email we got from Christina, that is one of my favorite emails we've ever gotten. Christina wrote, here to report on the niche subinterest trenches on a costume prop choice for Dr. Robbie in the pit. In 7 a.m. and 11 a.m. episodes we get peaks of the backpack Robbie carries. It's made by a very if you know you know company Tom Ben. If you're not familiar with Tombin, it's a supremely ethical company that makes backpacks, travel bags, etc. They call their company, quote, human-scale capitalism. All their bags are designed and sewn in their Seattle factory.

They're not cheap and they're quite dorky-looking. Basically, you only end up with that backpack, capital O, on capital P purpose. Robbie also has a Doctors Without Borders patch on it, which can be seen in this freeze frame that she sent over, that Robbie chose his backpack and placed that patch on it says a lot, that he makes choices with ethics in mind, that he takes things pretty seriously, and maybe his backstory includes a deployment or two with Doctors Without Borders. I wonder whether Noah Wiley or a costume designer is the nerd who chose that backpack for that character.

Your is truly bag nerd, Tina. So love this. First of all, Tina, incredible work. The level of expertise, as you have said, Joe, that we're getting from our emailers. We have ER doctors and nurses left and right emailing us in. We had like venue bartenders trying to indulge us on who might be playing at Pit Fest. And now we have bag nerds. I'm just, I'm blown away by the level of expertise.

It's true. We're together. We're putting something really special together, I think here on the press TV feed. I did not clock the Doctors Without Borders patch. I love that she highlighted that. So when we get to the, the beer debrief in the park at the end, and we're talking about this day that we went through. as this sort of battle we've survived together, how we are battle bonded by this experience. They have a laugh over the fact that this is Victoria's first day, all this sort of stuff like that.

We get, I would say, slightly heavy-handed cut to Dr. Abbott when we're talking about, have you ever seen something as intense as this? And it's like this unspoken thing is, yes, I, you know, lost part of my leg in pursuit of this. As he takes off his prosthetic and wipes blood off the shoe. Yeah. Thanks for the wet wipe princess. So, but then we have, yeah, we've got Robbie who's done Doctors Without Board. He's done not the same thing, but like something else where he has gone into, this is something Dr. John Carter did do on ER.

Again, this is not ER. Legally speaking, the pit is not ER. Came back in a relationship with Tedway Newton, who among us would not want that as a result of Doctors Without borders but um i just thought that was interesting positioning him as having there's also a moment when he puts his hoodie back on uh it's in episode 14 but he puts his hoodie back on a very like mr rogers like move but it's just a very like dad's back yeah like dad's here again everything's going to be okay uh it won't but no but we'll try to make it feel okay and dad's problems in many ways are only beginning at that point like Robbie has a very tough emotional episode but yeah

I do love this kind of subtle Doctors Without Borders wink for Robbie. And maybe we'll get that explored or maybe we won't. And as far as Dr. Abbott goes, I've really enjoyed having this sort of, like, we knew that him being a veteran gave him a different skill set. He's talked about that a bunch of times. In combat situations, in combat hospitals, this is what we did. We did these all the time, et cetera, et cetera. But in this talking down scene on the roof, it also just gives him such a different perspective

on loss and such a different perspective on being an intense situation. in particular where everything is so hectic and so harried and so violent that none of it can possibly make sense and then you're left to make sense of it afterwards. And so have the person who's talking Robbie down come from such a radically different frame of reference from a downtown Pittsburgh hospital. I love what that brings to the show and ultimately what that's bringing to the staff. I love his, you know, can we stop talking for a second with Jack, Jack being like almost physically unable to do that?

I'm going to need some beers if we're going to do this. It all, it all, like, worked really, really well for me. Very much. In terms of going home, I think the closest we get to going home is Mel picking up her sister. Yeah. This, like, sort of Mel King Coda where we meet her sister, who we've seen a bit during the season. I loved this so. I mean, like, as I love everything with Dr. Mel King, obviously.

but the like we can get pasta and pizza like and a movie the king's sisters can do that no the way she's like let's watch she just says elf and Mel's like or maybe something we haven't seen reminded me so much of when I was a I was babysitter I used to babysit this like one kid who like every single time he was like the lion king I was like or literally anything else and he's like the lion king and that was like at least he picked a bang He did, but I was like, what about Aladdin, have you considered? And he's like, no, the Lion King. So, yeah, this was a beautiful little character moment for Dr. Mel King. And yeah, it is a good counterpoint to the idea of whether we want to go home with these doctors or not. I think overall, I mean, we've sung Taylor Dearden's praises all season long. I would encourage you if you've just been watching the pit and not been consuming any extracurricular material, go watch a Taylor Dearden interview and get a sense of like how different. presentationally, voice, like literally everything about this person and you get a sense of kind of the overall scope of that performance to become Mel is really remarkable. And specifically in terms of making Mel then feel so lived in and lovable and like a real tangible person who has all this stuff to carry with her is really a remarkable thing. On the like, let's wrap things up with everyone. We already mentioned that Dana packs up her personal belongings.

What do you make of this? I really love this final exchange, I will say, with her. and Robbie. When they're looking at Dr. Adamson's photo, you know, she's trying to give him the grace and asking him to give him

the grace that he would afford other people and all of that. But what I really love most of all, I think, actually, was the tossed away see you Monday, right? Where he's not even, like, looking at her when he says it.

She pauses slightly, but not in a deeply dramatic way and just sort of walks out the door. And I, as much as I want her back, like it would, not that they would never see. each other again. Obviously, like she would come visit or whatever, but like, I like that resolution or lack thereof for them. And I like that there's no resolution with Jake either.

We don't end the day with Jake being like fine with everything. It's not. It's an open wound right now for Robbie. Very much so. Yeah. Quite the opposite in the Jake case in a way that is so devastating to watch. And I think that we were primed in many ways to think, okay, maybe by now Langdon's talk to him. Dane has talked to him. His mom. His mom has been there. Like, there's been enough time passing. He's been scrolling through pictures of Leah on his phone. Obviously, he's not going to absorb this kind of trauma in a matter of hours. Yeah. But could he bring himself to just like look Robbie in the eye and accept that maybe it wasn't his fault? Right. Right. Like the shooter has been apprehended. Like movement has been made as to far as who did this. Yeah.

But it's, man, that scene with Jake is so tough. And it's so tough in the content. Like, Robbie then has to turn around and go talk to Leah's parents immediately afterwards. What do you make of the fact that we didn't go in the room with him. I appreciate it. Yeah. I like it. I like the restraint on that. I will say one thing about the pit,

if you were to just go back and think about the beats we've been talking about, almost every character has had a breakdown moment. And not once have I thought, oh, this feels repetitive. Yeah, yeah. You know, like they're all breaking down in their own ways with their own pressure points, right? Like something very specific to them happens that kind of pulls them apart. And so despite the fact that Robbie has had all of these very emotional conversations, with so many different people.

What I found most affecting about that one is almost how worn down and removed he is in that moment in going in the room and coming out where it's not the I'm going to take a second and gear up and put on my empathetic face and I'm going to come in. I'm going to spend time and say the thing. Like he's kind of in and out of that room. Really quickly. And all we hear is them crying. And I would think that like I think that's probably the worst version of that conversation that Robbie has given all day. Maybe in his entire career. And he comes out, he's in the quiet stairwell, he looks through the doors and he sees the ER is bustling and he just can't go in.

And that's when he goes up to the roof. Just like that breakdown for him. I mean, it's just been hit after hit for him. I think throughout this entire season, but in this episode, you know, there's the ongoing nervous breakdown that he's already having. There's the frustrations with Measel Mom that are really picking at him. There's Langdon's whole deal. There's just the worst and most painful version of the conversation he's having with Jake. it's all really getting to him.

It's all causing him to come apart. And despite that, I do think he gets to have his moment. And it's to finally give the big speech that he wasn't allowed to give earlier in the season. Right. Like he does give to give, he does get to give the debrief

to the day staff going home. And I found this to be a really magical piece of TV, Joe. Tell me. Tell me why he thought it was magical. I think some of it for me is the delay on it and the delayed satisfaction of giving him that emotional moment. I think it's, I think it's really well written. And maybe this is, maybe this is me bringing my own trauma to the table, Joe. Maybe this is me bringing my own experience because trauma welcome, Rob. Certainly so. As Robby is giving this speech, which is part of his speech,

we saw our better angels come to the aid of our patients. Each of you rose to the occasion, and I can't tell you how proud I am of all of you. This place will break your heart, but it's also full of miracles, and that is a testament to all of you coming together and doing what we do best. I think it's a good speech. I think it's well delivered. I think we pointed out the Mel element of like if Mel cries, we cry. I identified a new one for myself, which is if Princess cries, I also start tearing up. Love Princess.

If I'm going to make subsequent demands for season two, I would love a Princess and Perla focused episode of some kind. That would be delightful. But this speech reminded me a lot of another banger from another John Wells produced show. Very Jed Bartlett in 20 hours of America. there's like a big explosion in the West Wing on a college campus and a bunch of a bunch of like people at the school go in as like de facto first responders. And Jed Bartlett gives this big like the streets of heaven are too crowded with angels tonight a bit that's incredible TV much more like written speech than this what Robbie gives. But hit so many of the same notes, which is like we're reminded of the incredible things that we can do despite the fact that we're facing these incredible challenges and traumas and like what we can overcome. collectively. It's like it's hitting the same emotional

beat for me, but in a way that is very raw and is very unrehearsed and Robbie's like breaking down as he's giving it. And I found that combination to be really effective. I find stories about leaders of men, which again, I mean that sort of like in a

non-gendered term, but like I do think of it in a very sort of the positive version of a paternalistic way and when you look to a Jet Bartlett or when you you look to a coach Taylor or when you look to a doctor Robbie, this is only that Noah Wiley said in any fair about Robbie. He says he seems smart. He seems capable. He seems fatherly. He seems

competent. He seems compassionate. And then you see him fall down. Yeah. This is a look at the toll that it takes on the people who take care of us. Patients are getting sicker. Patients are getting angrier. But these doctors are making less money. It doesn't compute. So, um, there's no clean answers here and no implication that tomorrow will necessarily be better than any of these problems are solved. No. So we're not here to solve problem or give Pat answers. We're just here to try and forgive ourselves when we fall short and try again. And that's a great message to receive.

I think as we're finding the forgiving yourself is the hard part. Yeah. There was something so striking about Robbie running through the exact toll of what the hospital had been through, you know, in terms of like, these are all the people that were in the red zone. This is how many people went through pink. These are all the people that are stabilized. The actual hard numbers. And what we end up with is 112 patients overall, 106 of them survived. And so then when you think about Leah as one of the six people who came into this ER and died, who wasn't DOA, but like actually died on the floor.

Yeah. It's not shocking that Robbie's having an overwhelmingly difficult time coming back from that. We also, I mean, we had, because we had seen the morgue, and there aren't, there are only just a few bodies in the morgue. They did a lot of good, an incredible amount of good. But to, yeah, but to hear the raw data like that as he runs it down, I agree. I thought that was really powerful.

Anything else you would say about the pit before we end with a tour of summer music festival? festivals. One question for you, Joe. In light of our friend Harrison, who is finally allowed to exit the hospital. To watch Planet of the Apes? Is Planet of the Apes a scary movie? It depends which one, I think. That's true.

Well, where would you rank them in terms of scariness? I mean, I would say, I'm not like all the bodies, not all the entries in the saga, because there are many, but in terms of, like, titled Planet of the Apes. I would say the most, like, I would say there is some ape-on-ape violence. in the most recent, you know, mocap, Andy Circus era. Yeah. That is, I mean, I might show it to a Harrison,

but I might want to be there with him when he watches it. That's fair. I mean, Trouten Heston, fine. That's fine. You can watch that any time. What about Tim Burton? on the kid entirely. I remember we showed my nephew on like a sick day that he had and we were like got really excited to show him the Disney animated Robin Hood. Oh yeah. And like two minutes in he was just like, no.

And we were like, what? He was like, that snake is too scary. We're like, sir his. He's like, yeah, too scary. My sister and I were so crushed because we were like so excited. Just no. Just a simple no. And I was like, this is kid, this is Disney's Robin Hood.

Come on. These kids today are too soft. Joe. They're not ready for Robin Hood and little John hopping through the forest. They're not they're not on it like we were. Okay. But it's, look, it's a banger of a movie. Anything else you want to say Planet of the Apes or otherwise? One last final gnarly watch of the season.

Oh, thank you, Rob. Go for it. We get that fork straight up through the nose to the point that it has to be photographed to be believed. Again, this is like, that was like a perfect note of levity where it's just sort of like Dr. Abbott being like, we got to. get Dr. Shen are utensil expert and Dr. Ellis being like, I need a photo of this for the medical record and definitely not my own personal wall of disgusting things that I've seen at work. But look, if you're going to drown children, then you also have to give us some, I can't

believe this shit so much I need to go grab another doctor. Like, there has to be a little yin and yang. we end with Robbie walking off listening putting the earbuds in listening to some music Baby by Robert Bradley's Blackwater Surprise is the track that closes out the season not one that was on my radar

or pit fest but does seem very like I understand why it's a Robbie a Robbie song it both sounds with all due respect like a Robbie song and also an affordable Max song. You know, like, we're not really going to spring for, like, the Bob Seeger.

Yeah. But in this case, we'll play this. Maybe Pid season two. We can throw down some money on the closing track. Okay. If you are listening to this podcast and you're like, hey, this summer I might want to explore a music festival, our listeners have you covered? Here are some things.

When they were like, hey, have you heard of a music festival where multiple artists of different stripes play? Here are some suggestions we got. Okay. I'm going to start with local to me, Bay Area, Local to You, Bay Area, Outside Lands, suggested by John. I mean, hardly strictly bluegrass in October is a great also Bay Area Festival. But yeah, outside lands, of course, is the biggie. Bombershoot in Seattle from Liz, who's a nurse.

That's like art and wine and music and the whole thing. So Bombershoot. Minnesota hosted the first Yacht Club. festival and it was a mix of nostalgia 90s bands to today. Alanis, Soul Asylum, Gwen Stefani, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Joan Jett, the offspring, great stuff. Okay. That's in Minnesota, the Yacht Club Festival. Riot Fest in Chicago, Illinois, has hosted bands from Gogal Bordello to Ninage Nails

to the Wu-Tang Clan to Jerry Lee Lewis and the B-52s. So, Riot Fest, Chicago. Firefly, Flee. Fest in Dover, Delaware, I looked up this festival, actually pretty sick lineups, historically from the Firefly Festival. Do you have a sampling of those? What's been going on? 2020 lineup was Billy Eilish, Rage Against Machine, Diplo, and Maggie Rogers. It's pretty good as far as festivals go.

That's pretty good. It's not bad, DJ Cowlett. Okay. Um, music fest in Massachusetts, 300 stages playing. Black Keys, Darius Rucker, Nellie, and then like a bunch of free stage. Like you can go in like for a bunch of free stages and then, you know, you can pay to go see the Black Keys or whatever else you prefer. I just want to say, not to, not for undue slander on this podcast. No, Nellie doesn't have it anymore. Okay.

But here's my question. I regret to tell everyone who's interested in sing Nellie. He's not showing up for you in the way that you think he will. When we're naming festivals. Yeah. I will just point out that this music fest is spelled with a K music fest with a K. I still think we could have gone back to the drawing board on that one and done a few more passes. Courtney says she's equating pit fest to Boston Calling for Castle in Louisville and Shaky Nees in Atlanta.

These are multiple day festivals where attendees are mostly local. Shakee knees in Atlanta is a great name for Shaky Knees Fest. Last one at least, by far the most popular. By far the most popular. Summerfest in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Have you heard of Summerfest? Do you have any thoughts or feelings on Summerfest, Rob Mahoney? I do because we got many emails about it, which I'm going to say is a very Milwaukee thing to do.

To be like, let me tell you about our local music festival. Okay. Free ad for Summerfest. headlining acts include cake Offset the Fray, Megan the Stallion, Young the Giant, and Riley Green. Honestly, these all sound like a blast. I hope you guys all enjoy your

festivals this spring and summer into fall again if you're in the San Francisco Bay Area. Yes. Anything else you want to say? Yeah? I still think Pit Fest too, there's just a real missed opportunity to do the double meaning of Pittsburgh and the pit. Like, it should be a metal festival.

Oh, the Mosh Pit Fest. Absolutely. You don't need it. It's just the pit, Joe. on you don't need to mosh it cool um thanks for calling me out of just i'm just saying they call it the pit um one of our listeners who is a yinzer did point out that they don't call pittsburg the pit they really only call the university that okay so whatever pit fest was it was probably in close proximity to the university which is where the hospital would be anyway the hospital the university you know they don't they don't call the whole they wouldn't call something else pit fest. So if that helps

nail down the proximity. Last one at least, we're not going to read this email. I just want to shout out Eric who sent us the longest email possible about this and just triangulated the when, the where, the why, the how, who would be playing Coachella so that this would not be competing with Coachella and like all and the

budget that they would have and stuff like that. It was just like a piece of art from Eric. So thank you so much for that email. Not even a tour manager's mind, but one who is seeing the whole board of all the tour manager's minds. It was a truly an impressive piece of work. It was art. It was art. Okay. The pit. We did it. That's it. Season one anyway, again. Like, we're going to be back here sooner than later, Joe.

That's it for the pit. Again. Oh, one last note about season two that I read, you know, from our Scott Jamil, who's the showrunner of the pit, mentioned in an interview with Parade that there will probably be a slight time jump into season two. We're not coming back tomorrow the day after the mass casualty event. He ballparked it at like two, two, three months. So, just enough time for a certain 30-day rehab program perhaps and then some, you know, just enough time for people to kind of clean the deck, scrub the bathroom, we're kind of back to normal in the ER. For Santos and Whitaker to have figured out who does and does not do the dishes. One last thing I'm, if you go back and watch this season, there were hints all season that Whitaker was living in the hospital.

Like, it's just, it was, the track was laid. But I want to say I was rewatching one of an episode, just like two episodes ago, I think it was 13. where he was like, you know, there are a bunch of empty rooms. The fourth floor is completely empty. Before we go, I would be remiss to not say on the Grey's Anatomy Beat. Shout out Dr. Callie Torres, the original doctor who lived in the hospital. Of course, that felt like a Grey's reference to me.

And I don't know if any doctors lived in the hospital in the ER. I don't remember it if they did. But this is not an ER sequel as you and I and Michael Crane's widow. No, no. But also, what if they went to the fifth floor and Alan Alda's just been sleeping up there for weeks? I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't at all. I would love to see it. All right. So we'll be back for season two of the pit where Brian Cranston will show up as Dr. Mel King's dad. We can only hope. And thank you to Donnie Beecham, to John Richter, and to Justin Sales for his work on this feed. We will, Rob and I will still be here covering all the shows. So stay tuned to the prestige fees and we'll see you soon. Bye.