The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 2: Hard at Work

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

Jo and Rob visit Triage Island to recap the second episode of ‘The Pitt’ Season 2 (0:00) Instant reactions (3:05) Mailbag check-in (15:05) Dr. Al-Hashimi vs. Dr. Robby (23:35) Is Whitaker set up to fail this season? (27:34) Favorite moments of the episode (31:50) Ogilvie and Javadi’s simmering rivalry (37:57) Fluid Watch (44:10) Jo’s maggot story Email us! [e-mail] or [e-mail] Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of ‘The Prestige TV Podcast’ and so much more! Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Producer: Kai Grady Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles  Video Supervision: Donald LoBianco Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And here we are in studio together. I know. They said it couldn't be done. Honestly, the best part. The bombshell himself is in the villa. I'm ecstatic. I just learned about this. We're here to talk about the pit season two, episode two.

It's 8 a.m. It is. On the shift. It's still 4th of July. Should we be recording these in real time? Should we be recording this at an 8 a.m. hour? That's going to get dicey on the night shift, don't you think? Could be interesting.

Okay. It could be fun. It can be a little punchy. Yeah. Sounds great. Punchy is my new brand. I mean, really all of ours. I've always said that you and Nurse Dana have like very similar personalities.

Very identical energies, really. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, listen, I'm going to start you with the same question I started you with last. Did you like this episode? I did. I mean, this felt even more like a setting the stage getting us on the tracks episode, I would say, than the premiere. The premiere had all these new characters that were kind of introducing ourselves to and learning about. This was like, oh, this is going to be important three episodes from now.

this is going to be important. When, spoiler alert, but if you've seen the commercials and trailers to the season, the power or the system goes out or whatnot. You know, it's like there are all these little tips and tells that are happening right now where it felt like, to me, a very enjoyable in-season episode of The Pit, I'm always down for it. A well-made piece of furniture. You know, it really is. Okay, listen, before we started recording, I told you that there was a part of this episode

that hit a very specific phobia of mine that I had to, for the first time in the pits, I lived through the de-gloving. I've gotten through every quivering like parts. Bag of worms, yeah. I've gotten through everything. There was something in this episode that I could not handle and I had to have someone tell me when I could look at the screen again. Rob Moni, this is a friendship test.

What do you think that is, that was? Putting myself in the mind, in the spirit of Joanna Robinson. What would bother me? A dark place to me. It's a lovely place. Please don't. I feel confident that it is the armful of maggots. It is the armful of maggots.

I mean, how could it not bother you? I have a thing with maggots. And as I think many people do, I just have a, I have a childhood trauma with maggots that we can get into someday. Yeah. Maybe not right now. I will say, I felt a tinge of relief, right?

There's obviously a lot of lead up to that scene of like, this cast is going to be pretty gross underneath, potentially. Who knows how long it's been on there. I was fully expecting, crack the cast, things are crawling out in the same of like our rats scare of season one. Like, we're going to get. full-on cockroaches in this thing, whatever. Maggot?

I was like, oh, it's just maggots. They're just eating the necrotic flesh. It's fine. They're creepy, crawly, but they're kind of stagnant. The person I was watching with is the daughter of an ER nurse, and when they started sawing at the cast, she was like, it's going to be maggots. And I was like, no. And then it was, and I couldn't look.

Okay. We got some well actuallys from the mailbag from our listeners. As we did last season, a ton of people from medical community chiming in. A lot of Pittsburgh locals chiming in. So we've got a lot of great information this week from, the listeners. Where can they reach us, Rob? Just a reminder. Always at presage TV at Spotify.com for this show, for the pit. Yeah. Dr. Sidebanks. And that's the full word doctor sidebanks at gmail.com. Were you upset at all inside of this episode when like the queen of coinage herself,

Dr. Santos, said, come to Jesus and you had to realize that our email is not come to Jesus at gmail.com. I know. It was, I mean, immaculate infection was also very good. I have to say, come to Jesus at gmail.com is probably taken, but, you know, dare to dream. Okay. Here's some rapid fire mailbag stuff. A lot

of people wrote in asking, where's the real Yinser accent? Sure. The real, like, die in the wool, Pittsburgh accent. Nurse Dana is doing something, but it's not what people want. No. Maybe.

it'll show up in the waiting room this season. It does feel fair. Look, patient-wise, I agree. In terms of the doctors and the staff, these are people coming from all over the country, all over the world. The email said that. The doctors should sound like they're from all over the country,

stuff like that. But the, you know, the Hanson Pit crew inside of this episode, the Hanson family reunion, should they not be dropping the like, thick, fick, yins or accent? Perhaps they should. I feel like spiritually they did, even though they weren't saying it,

but they were emoting it. Okay. On that note, one of our listeners, Casey wrote in, you know, we talked last week about the patient who's in the waiting room who is deaf. And Casey wrote in talking about how, you know, whether or not they get an interpreter for this person, Pittsburgh is known for having, quote, a unique ASL dialect that sign language users from other parts of the country often struggle to understand. A virtual interpreter, because they had a virtual interpreter last season, a virtual interpreter who isn't from Pittsburgh may not be up to the task. That was delightful for me. me to learn. Incredible. Pittsburgh ASL is unintelligible to other people, and that's fascinating. This needs to be a plot point. I hope so. Also, we should note that woman we don't see in this episode.

So she has been sitting in that waiting room for at least an hour as her name is called, and they just cannot find a way to reach her or communicate with her because they don't know her situation. Right. Yeah. How long do you think she's going to wait? I mean, an hour seems light in most waiting rooms for ERs these days. So it might be a couple episodes before we see here again.

I don't know. We also got several emails from listeners, very concerned with the guy flirting with Mel in episode one. And I got to say, don't worry, it's not a problem. That guy's going straight to hell. He's not Mel King over. Yeah, we're going to have to fight him. I mean, it's curtains for him, honestly. Yeah.

We're very tall. He's fun. But I think, you know, they were very concerned because hooking up with a patient is deeply against the rules. Sure. Izzy Stevens of Gray's anatomy, we would like, word with you. But, you know, if the pit is striving for medical accuracy, if any of the doctors wind up hooking up with a patient, it's bad news. Very bad. I mean, we were asking the wrong question in wondering, will they have a connection? Will Mel care about this guy at all? Yeah, as you said,

not really relevant. It turns out to his entire circumstance, which is, I guess he's on the lamb now. Yeah. I mean, what if Langdon catches him? Oh, who knows what could happen at that point? It's over. string them up. Okay, on the 4th of July front, we got a lot of listeners curious about a couple things. Number one, do they do depositions

on the 4th of July? A reasonable question to ask, I think. We'll see what the status of that is. I'm still hoping for your scenario, though, that we get Dr. Ellis and Dr. Shen from the night shift. And most importantly, measle mom. Yeah, measle mom herself.

All the above. I've been missing her. We need their official statements. Our listener who went by AFI, I believe, had sort of like a laundry list of things that they were surprised was happening on July 4th. Like, why would Dr. Langdon's first day back be on a holiday? Yes. Why would Emma be starting on a holiday, like all these things?

But what was really fascinating is we got a bunch of people on the side of the medical community wrote in about the quote, July effect. This was very interesting. Fascinating. This is from Abigail, quote, former ER nurse here, sharing what all the hospital staff know under different names. But what in America is referred to as the quote, July. effect. This is when all the new interns, aka shortcoats, arrive, and all the previous newbies take on more responsibilities, leading to an increased risk for errors and poor patient

outcomes. It's a time of increased stress in the department, juggling new levels of knowledge, dare I say new egos as well, and as a nurse protecting your patients from the shortcoats and their lack of experience. When the season launched on July 4th, this is my immediate outcry to my husband who isn't in the medical field and thought it warranted sharing in an email to our favorite podcasters. So the July effect. I mean, we're already thinking like, Whitaker is taking on this instructional role. We've got a couple new faces in here. But if, you know, if the trailers have told us anything about what's happening this season,

there will be a, you know, a trying circumstance is going to happen this season. And we're already sort of on the back foot as people are moving up the ranks in the York chart. So I thought that was really interesting. And Whitaker seems especially positioned to screw up. Like the amount that Robbie is poking his head and being like, great job, sport. Great job, bud. You're doing perfectly at this moment, which means you certainly will not screw up in a huge way by episode 8. I'm very concerned.

Very concerned about our Huckleberry. Oh, my gosh. On that note, by the way, one of my favorite emails we got was someone naming Whitaker's new haircut, which is the Tennessee waterfall, which I didn't know. But apparently that's the official name of that haircut. So thank you so much for that information. All right. What else do we have in the mailbag? We're almost done here.

Oh, Dr. Travis McVeigh wrote in. and I have to read this because it's on behalf of the anesthesiologist. My dad's an anesthesiologist. My uncle's an anesthesiologist. Like, shout out the- You come from a long line of anesthesiologist. Shut out the drug doctors. Dr. Travis McVeigh's, like, medical professionals love the pit

because, you know, of its accuracy. He's like, except the anesthesiologist. Because the anesthesiologist's character last season was, like, a bumble fuck. And, like, unlike other doctors who are allowed to, like, succeed and fail, Yes. There was no rounding of this particular individual. So justice for the anesthesiologists on the pit, I guess. The season is young, you know?

A different anesthesiologist might swoop in and be splendid. We got a new doctor in this episode, Dr. Caleb Jeffries. Were you able to figure out sort of what his role was? He seemed like he was coming in because he was consulting on the Alzheimer's case. So I assume something in psychiatrics. That's my thought. And also, Robbie seemed. Did not like him.

Not thrilled. like, you know, collegial, but also a little standoffish in a way that, like, maybe Robbie talks to him. Maybe Robbie does work with him. Oh. I see like, hey, bud, saw you right in without a helmet on. Yeah. Should we have some talks about what's going on up here in the old brain? Well, there is mentioned earlier in the episode with Santos about like, have you talked to the trauma counselor?

Yeah, yeah. Have you done your requisite appointment, I assume, in conjunction with the mass casualty event that all these people live through and work through. maybe that's happening in house. I don't know what the ethics are around that. I thought it was so interesting to track his different reactions to people. Because, of course, we get Nurse Hastings, who he is having some extracurricular. Hello, nurse.

What is so funny about Nurse Hastings, Noel Hastings, is how much data hates her. And I'm like, oh, okay, well, then I can't like her. Are you sure it's hate? Do you think it's not? I don't know what it was. They don't seem to like each other at all. I don't think they have the warmest relationship.

I detected a little bit of, like, Girl, are you sure? Robbie? Yeah. We both... We're talking about the same guy, right? Yeah. Clearly can be warm and fuzzy, but also all that baggage, you know?

Rob, did you see him hold a baby in this episode? He did. It was very cute. It was very sweet. It was very good. So there's Dr. Noel, that's... Nurse-in-Well, there's that. There's Dylan, the new social worker.

So he, like, loves Dylan. He's like, Dylan, what's up? And then he's like, thanks so much, Caleb. And I was like, okay, Robbie. I'm tracking this. I do miss Kiara, though. I really miss her. I mean, I love a ginger, so welcome to the show, Dylan.

And kind of a ginger man bun, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's all possible worlds, honestly. Do patients wander into the ER from the ambulance bay I asked last week? The answer is yes, sometimes. Yes, sometimes they do. Depends on the hospital. Where's Mateo?

We got a special email from front of the pod, Matt Midevich, who asked the showrunners, our Scott Gemmel, about this. Mateo the season is quote working the night shift So we will see him Maybe as the night shift comes on Or are they going to pull the night shift in later in the season? I don't know But it's possible we only then get Mateo in the finale

Something like that I mean we just have no choice But to continue our plea For a corresponding spin-off night shift series Like I just don't know why we don't have this in Is that the fall series? Yeah We get this in January and that in like September

One right into the next Yes Maybe I'm asking too much Look, the pit is already very prompt, right? They are turning around these seasons. Stretch yourself thinner, please. We want more. More pit nights.

We can't get enough. Oh, pit nights is very good. I'm Dr. Robbie not wearing a helmet when he's coming into the hospital. Noah Wiley has talked about that in interviews and he's like, oh yeah, something's going on with Robbie that he's not wearing a helmet on the motorcycle. So, you know, it's not for nothing that we notice that. In terms of Dr. Al Hashimi, who I have a lot. of questions for you about Dr. Elashimi in this episode. A lot of our listeners wrote in,

they love her from Elwood Generation Q. They love that actress. And apparently she's like incredibly chaotic and mischievous and fun on that show. I didn't watch it so I have no association with the actress, but a lot of people are really excited to see her. So that makes me, this is a tough episode. And it's kind of like the first big thing

I want to talk to you about. So I'm excited to see where that actress goes. But as they're setting it up right now, They're not giving her a lot of mischief and fun to do. No, she's very by the books person. But we got a good email about that, too. Last two emails really quickly. Jeff Cobre, who I told you is coming later this season from Buffly the Vampires there.

We're on Colbert Watch. Was also on the show China Beach, which is before our time. But it was another John Wells show. And apparently John Wells, who's co-creator of the pit and of ER, used a lot of China Beach actors on ER. So this is him being like, come on over, Cobra. Close the loop. Come on over. I'm really excited.

And last but not least, and this one's for you. Our listener, Casey, let us know that on the ASL captions for this show, they have basically given each doctor their own sign, and the sign for Dr. McKay is essentially Dr. Banks. Oh, my God. So that's for you, Rob. That's for you, Rob, honey. This is a huge moment for me.

I know. How do you feel? Influential? I feel seen in a way I didn't think I could be seen, right? Like, anticipated. They knew exactly. where I would be coming from, anticipated my every need, and they really did. They met you.

I would be curious to hear what the names for the other. Like, is it crash for Dr. Devati? Probably not, but, you know, we'll see. Okay. So it's episode two. It's 8 a.m. Written by Joe Sachs and R. Scott Gamal and directed by Damien Marcano, who directed four episodes of season one.

He's like a pit go-to director. So this is just like, as you said, like a really like classic, we're in the middle of it episode of the pit. Nuts and bolts. needles, lots of liquids. Maggates. Naggots, certainly. Maggates welcome.

Lots of liquids coming out of lots of places. But let's talk about Dr. Al-Hishimi, right? Weird fake-out cliffhanger in regards to the baby, unless there's a later payoff. What do you think about that? Yeah, we don't know. She seems very concerned about the urine screening in particular, right? Wanting to get that right, wanting to make sure it's not contaminated.

Maybe that's just due diligence. Maybe it's something she's seen before, but it was a classic pit like, oh, no, let's just go back to work. Don't worry about it. It was very odd. We get the AI demonstration and the mistranscription of a drug name, which seems she seems not that bothered. I was quite bothered by this.

Generative AI is 98% accurate. Not in our field. I've used AI generative transcription tools as an attempt. Like, would this be a helpful thing? Is this useful? They are riddled with errors. They are horrible. I spend more time scrubbing them, fixing them than if I had just transcribed it myself.

the idea of transcribing a patient meeting with not just nuance, not just meaning, but like so hyper-specific and tailored. Like, do you get the medication wrong? Completely. Like, they missed up an antipsychotic with a sleep aid.

This is not a good look for AI, the AI boosters inside of this episode. And this is just not a good look for our question about Dr. Halashimi versus Robbie, because Robbie is right, quote unquote right, about three things in this episode, right? The urine sample from the baby,

She's like, we had to do a catheter. He's like, nah, I got a trick. Flip the baby. Rub its tummy with some cold, damp thing and voila. Before we catheter babies, like, can you have a meeting? Can you have a conversation? Reducing the shoulder dislocation. Yep.

Right? And he's like, don't worry, Mel's just going to shove four fingers in the armpit. We got it. We don't need to take it up to the OR for that. Oddly satisfying. Yeah. Seeing the shoulder pop into place. Yeah.

Very disconcerting that your fingers could then get pinched in the closing of that wound. did not like that part. And then intubating the guy choking up broccoli. Right. So she's wrong, or if you want to call it that. Robbie gets to be right and smug about it three times this episode. As he will. Which is a lot.

Yeah. How do you feel about that? I mean, as we talked about before, there's room in the show for everyone to be right and wrong at various times. And really their proxy war is not just about AI, but specifically gut versus AI. Right, right. I think there's a really interesting conversation to be had about the role of instinct in medicine. Right. Like, it's such a human thing about what are the associations you grasp for?

What are the fringe cases that you have seen and you are experienced that, like, there's something about this that is off or familiar and your brain is connecting those dots can be incredibly informative, can also be wildly biased based on your personal experience. And so AI and gut as counterbalances for each other, I love the concept of, is, are the AI presentations in this show being shown as that compellingly? Not so far. Not yet. Right.

And maybe they will be. And that's kind of what I'm hoping for from Dr. Alashimi is a more convincing case of how this helps. Well, I think what's really interesting is that, you know, I'm trying to think about the pit teaching us how to watch the pit, right? As you talked about. And so like when someone comes in, when a little girl comes in presenting and seemingly a victim of abuse, I think we're all just sort of saying like, hey, is there something else going on here? When a nun has gonorrhea of the eye. Yeah. No, she was just changing bed sheets or whatever the case may be.

When Dr. Santos showed up in season one, and she was just like a real tough case for the first few episodes, and then when she starts getting suspicious of Langdon, and then she's ultimately right, I think that was a show being like, see? Gotcha. She was a pain, but she's right. So are they doing something similar with Dr. Alashimi? Or is it just going to be Robbie is right, which I think is like the less interesting version of that, you know what I mean? They need her.

have some legs to standout. I think they need to do a couple of key things with this character. One, they need to give her some room to have fun or just be a person who is not strictly an advocate for systems. It's clear that these are passions for her in terms of expediting the process of getting patients and out of the hospital, getting the numbers up. Like, she wants to make this a better experience for the patients and the doctors and caregivers both. That's all very important. She needs to be a human being. Right. And right now they have written her to just be kind of like a device to explain this stuff and fight for AI. And I'm just not pulled in by that yet.

I'm really hoping we get some different sides of that character. We did get a really interesting email about that that I want to read in a second. But I will say, like, adding to that, you know, what I said in episode one is like, okay, Mel and Dr. Mohan worked with her before and seemed to like her. So that was like a point in her favor, right? But then when Mel comes, is like anxious about her malpractice suit and zero bedside manner from Dr. Alishimi was like, I've never been sued. So I don't know.

Like no moments of kindness, no moments of outreach as of yet. And there's going to be plenty of opportunity for that stuff. But so far, again, she's been written as somebody who is trying to make her case, kind of a soft cell about these AI functions. And I thought it was very notable that when she wants to demonstrate it, she basically calls over all of the youngest people in the room. Right? It's all the student doctors.

Yeah. It's like, let me try to get you. And Langdon. And Langdon by association. Yeah, he's out quickly. Yeah. But yeah, like trying to drum up some support from within for something that she thinks will help, but I think the rest of us need to be sold on a little bit. You kids love your devices.

They really do. They really do it. What is going on with Joy in her phone? Joy chaotic. Chaotic? Good? Maybe. I don't know.

Here's the deal. I am so out on Ogilvie that any time the way that Joy gives them shit brings me joy. So I'm in on joy. I want to talk about the Ogilvy Javadi relationship specifically. Of course. I think that's a great wrinkle for the show. I want to get to that. Before we do, Ogilvy, I mean, brown nosing in multiple languages now,

was there a little something extra on his relationship with Dr. Alashimi? Like when he's talking about, like, specifically the line delivery on, like, it being enough to break the ice, it was, like, very breathy. It was very, like, forward. Maybe that's me reading into it too much, but it felt like you want a different kind of teachers petting out of that relationship, you know? Like there was just something happening. He felt like he was on Grey's Anatomy, and you were like, that's not this show. I don't want that show.

That's not the show. Okay, interesting. Before we go off of Dr. Alashimi into more Ogilvi stuff, which I do want to talk about, we got this email from Deepa, which I thought was really interesting about sort of how they're setting up the gut, sort of cowboy doctoring that Robbie does. Yeah. Versus the process and procedure of Dr. Al-Lashimi, and this is what she says. I really, really hope we're not going to a place where what we were trying to say is that Robbie is the better doctor. But I worry that that is partly where we're going.

One of the things that shows like this perpetuate is the idea that, quote, cowboy behavior in medicine is in general good and that you should be suspicious of folks who are to buy the book. I think the pit has awareness of this, but it also loves Noah Wiley. The reality is, a woman in medicine would never be allowed to act in the way that Dr. Robbie does in terms of doing certain procedures in the ER versus ICU, things he's never been trained in, et cetera. The show wrote a lot of this off in the first season by using the lack of inpatient beds and the mass cattle. to get around those things, but she's like curious to see how it plays out here. Yeah.

And so, like, having this female attending be so by the book and be so interested in process and procedure as sort of like a way to make her mark in the medical world versus, yeha, that is, that is Robbie. I thought that was really interesting. I think it's a great call. And also, again, I don't want to kind of forecast too much with a show like this. But as I'm anticipating whenever the systems do go down, something like the patient passport program

would be immensely helpful. So there are elements to her approach that are not just like technology, technology, technology. Like she is not a robot. There's things that she's preaching that would be legitimately huge for the pit if they actually incorporated them.

And there's things that Robbie does that not just because of his cowboy nature and how cavalier it is, but how hard it would be to replicate or how hard it would be to teach or how hard it is to instill those instincts in other people. I think those could be at odds in a way

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I don't care. Let's talk about Whitaker. Whitaker's two main cases. So we've got Louis. Mm-hmm. And then we've got the dementia patient. Let's talk about the dementia patient first. This was devastating.

This was something that like even if you could see it coming, which like for those of us who have had dementia and our family, like, but like to have to go through that again and again for both Whitaker and this woman was just like really hard to watch. What did you think of it? Well, I think especially the way that Whitaker understandably is like flummoxed by what to do, how to do this. This is not a by the book situation, right? I don't even know what the right approach would be if you knew it. Yeah. And so watching him trying to figure it out in a real time and have to reiterate, and I wouldn't say it's played for laughs,

but it is played for absurdity to a degree. You know, like in the moment, there's like a little bit of like a, it's so daunting. Like, what are you supposed to do the second time around? You have to tell this woman that her husband has died. And she is saying the exact same thing she said the first time, but like, oh, he's never, he's not sick. Don't you feel like the kindness is to like not.

tell her? Why I put her through that if she's not going to be able to remember it? I feel like you have to, though. I think one, like legally, you probably have to, right? Or at least you have an obligation. Maybe it's not legal. But how many times do you have the legal obligation to do. I don't know. But I think that's why it makes sense that the logical endpoint of that journey is getting her in the room with her husband. Right. You can't call her every day and remind her of this as she goes through the rest of her life. But she can have a closure of a kind in that room at that time. time. And then after that, like, you do what you can, but it's not, it's kind of out of Whitaker's

hands. Yeah. And then we have Louis. And we got a really distressing email about Louis from our listener, Travis, who said, bluntly, no bedside manner in this email. Louis is a goner. Tough. Quote, while he does have, while he does need his abdomen tapped, the fact that they highlighted his dental decay makes me think that he has an infective heart valve, which is causing his shortness of breath. Strep bovis is a mouth bacteria that when introduced into the bloodstream, the mouth sore can land in a heart valve and cause havoc. Dr. Langdon's familiarity with the patient is blinding him from making the correct diagnosis.

So Dr. Langdon being sort of wrapped up in his emotion and Whitaker, perhaps in his inexperience, missing something, I think whether or not Travis is right, I do think it would be for Louie, someone we spent several episodes with in season one and, you know, is. is prominently featured in these first two episodes to lose a patient like that. Yes. But is that interesting for Whitaker who went through something like that in season one

with the heart patient that he had that sort of like suddenly passed away because he missed something? Is that feel repetitive? Is that interesting? What do you think about that? It definitely could be repetitive. I mean, that's a risk with any medical drama, right?

There are certain things, there's certain patterns that are going to repeat and one of them is missing symptoms. It's one of the most glaring parts of any medical process. It's damning for anybody. I do wonder in this case if it's one where we could get the AI part of the conversation looped into it. Like we got an email from Jackson, a statistician who's done a lot of medical research.

And one of the things that Jackson talked about was like conceptualizing AI in medicine as like chat GPT is thinking about it all the wrong way. Right. And it's taking hyper specific vetted sources of research and data and using those to make associations that you might not otherwise make. And so in this case, yeah, your blindness based on your familiarity with the patient or, The fact that Louie's been in so many times, it's like, we're just doing this again. Here we go. Yeah. He knows what to do. Exactly.

It's another day at the spa. And so you get into the pattern of not even looking at the tooth in the way that you need to look at the tooth. But you plug those symptoms into a system that has more tailored data. Interesting. And maybe all of a sudden there's some different kind of alarms going on. So what you're telling me is we are now a pro AI podcast? I'm not saying that. Wow.

Stunning term of events. Did you have a favorite moment's episode if I have one, but I want to hear if you have one. but I want to hear if you have one first. Favorite moment. Let me hear yours first while I stew. Okay. So Mel falls on the ground, hits her head. Who does Dana get to, like, help her?

Dr. Langdon. Of course. This is already great. The cops from season one are back, right? Officer Underhill, who is like missing Dr. Collins a lot, is back. They've distressed Mel. Langdon ushers them out, goes to close the door, turns off the light. Yeah.

Which is something that Mel, taught him in season one when they were dealing with a neurodivergent patient and she closed off closed turned off the light and was like it's really noisy the air when langdon did that for her Rob I cried I don't blame you I'm sorry I cried like I thought it was so beautiful and they've put me in such a good position re Langdon this season like I'm just really rooting for him in it like I love a comeback narrative yeah I love all of his indirect like Dr. Alashimi being like I've heard all about you sure you know and Javadi and Whitaker being like, that was weird and awkward.

And then the conversation he had with Mel, where he's like going around and making amends to people, working up to talking inevitably to Santos and to Robbie. I don't know about working up. They're actively avoiding each other. And it's mutual. But he's got to get there before. One would hope.

Before midnight chimes on July 4th, you know. And so his relationship with Mel was very special in season one. So to like have this moment, I just really loved it. So I think you're right too. And it's one of those moments. again, Mel, a character who were all invested in and care about. And seeing her get decked by this asshole. Fuck that guy.

We're furious, right? Like, I'm on the trail. I'm on the hunt, right? I'm trying to get this guy behind bars. Yeah. And to have someone like Langdon... Sure, he knocked over, like, a convenience store, but more importantly, we don't know that story.

He knocked over Mel King. This is what matters to us. Yeah. And Langdon doing something for Mel, as you said, that not only reflects their past history, but it's like, is the kind of thing you do for somebody, the kind of kindness you show them when you really see them and understand them. Right. And it was just like such a beautiful moment. Inside of season one, when Langdon was doing a bunch of shit that was really aggravating, when Mel handled that neurodivergent patient in season one, and he's like, that was amazing.

Like, how'd you do that? That was incredible. Like, you taught me, you know, I'm not just teaching you, you're teaching me. Cheesy. But, you know, to watch him sort of put those principles into practice for her, I just thought that was really good. This is another reason I have high hopes for a doctor. Alashimi, rehabilitation image-wise, over the course of the season. There's really not any other characters in the show who are an asshole to everyone or incompatible with everyone.

There's a corner for everybody to find kind of their people among the staff. And, like, this is a perfect example of that where you put Langdon and Santos in a room and it's like, yeah, fuck this guy sometimes. But you put these two together, and he never let her down, even though he definitely let her down. He definitely let her down, which he acknowledged. Also, it never affected my work, my guy. It affected your work. I don't know what to tell you.

Someone on Twitter put up a screen grab of like our first shot of Langdon in chairs at the beginning of episode one in his in his penguin's hat. And the caption was just like, that feeling when your back hurts a little. That's just like, yeah, how's your back going, doing guy? Joe, how did you feel about Mel? Another kind of like another one of my favorite moments of this episode is before Boba guy runs out on her and we find out his true colors. He's kind of prodding about what she likes to do for fun.

And there's two parts. One, I want to get your take on the Renfair elements of this. I'm very curious. Of course. I have takes on this. She doesn't seem like a mead girl, per se, but I think she'd have a great time there. Wow, what a shout out.

Shout out to the mead. But moreover, Mel, being the kind of person who has to take a second to think about what she actually likes is really sad, but also makes sense given her life. Right. The scene that we had at the end of season one where she's like picking up her sister.

Yeah. And, you know, she's like, what movie should we watch? You know? It was an elf again? It was an elf again. And she's like, or we could watch literally any other movie.

And then her sister's like, no, elf. And she's like, all right then. Another day of life. We'll get pizza and pasta and watch elves. Sounds great. So yeah, like the fact that she only can think about things that her sister likes to do. Yeah.

But I'm so excited for Mel King, Renfair nerd. This is really exciting to me. She has an alter ego, which is a 17th century French woman, is what she said. And I mean, we deserve. Yes. We deserve in season three for Mel to be called in from the rent fare. I have the same thought.

She's in the bodice, hip-hip-hazaa. And we get to like, she's going to do the accent for us. Like, we got to get the whole alter ego going. Like, I demand it. I demand it. We all deserve this. We absolutely do deserve it. And you know what?

Yeah, we can stage whatever time. of year is necessary to make it appropriately festive. Yeah, it depends on where you are in the country. But like fall is a good time for a rent fare. I would think so. So yeah, you know, sounds good to me. Okay. On the Dr. Landon front, he's got the girl with the glued eye who said she wanted to talk

to Dr. Jay who worked in the ER and he's like, I don't think so. The only Dr. Jay and she's not a doctor is Dr. Javadi is Javadi. right? Sure. Oh, and Julia serving, yeah. Right. Just be very clear. Problems like, I have a reputation of maintain. This is Pennsylvania. Do you feel like... Do you feel like... Do you feel like... Do you feel like she was talking about that, Dr. Jay?

I don't think so. I think she does say she, no? Yeah. So who is this Dr. Jay who knows everything and Langdon's like, I don't think so. Is there a mystery imposter doctor? Oh, I would love an imposter doctor. You know, there's a lot of weird storylines we could unspool. But, yeah, I have no idea who Dr. J could be other than Javon. Yeah. So that was just like a curious little moment. Sea dropped. Somehow, I mean, yeah, I don't think it would be Javadi under these circumstances. Victoria wouldn't be like, I don't know what to do. She's not cowboying around the ER. But she has strutting her stuff. She's posturing. Oh, absolutely posturing. So where are you? Ogilvy versus Javadi? There's really no question. It's Victoria. Could you be on Ogilvy's side? That sucks. That guy sold out Whitaker. Fuck him, honestly. I really don't like Ogle V. He does know a lot clearly.

Sure. He's got great hair, but... He's got hair. He's got hair. Tough from Dr. Sidebangs over there. Well, maybe that's his problem. Needs more side bang. Needs more swoop. Okay.

We're often saying. But honestly, even apart from whose side we're picking, Samira Mohan, reaction shot queen of our time. Absolutely. As she plugged stuff in on the computer, just like, why the fuck am I in this room right now? Tremendous. This is a classic diabetic We'll just do the procedure Yeah

Real like sort of Fuji from Shogun Sort of like level And it's fun to see Mohan in this role Because as we talked about people Moving up the org chart Like doesn't she just seem more senior In these first two episodes

For sure Seems more senior And she's kind of rounded the corner In a way that certainly the student doctors Have not And the younger doctors are not All right Oglevy

So here's my villain ranking for the season One maggots with a bullet. Number one, maggots. Number two, AI. Number three, the guy who knocked Mel King over. And number four, Ogilvy. Those are my villains at the season.

Do you have anything on your villain ranking? If I didn't know about the pit and you just wrote those things down on paper, I'd be like, are these Mission Impossible villain rankings? Ogleby does sound like a Mission Impossible villain, absolutely. Yeah. But no notes. That checks out to me. You have nothing to add.

In terms of other villains? Yeah. I mean, who else do we even have in the middle? I guess if there is like an abusive father to this little girl, that would be a villain. What a segue? Should we talk about Santos? Oh, and I do want to add bottom, I want to be very clear, bottom of the villain list. The woman who poured bacon grease down her cousin's sink.

Yeah. Well, simply will not stand. No. Can't do it. In Rob's kitchen. Not in my kitchen, not in anyone's kitchen. That is, you're asking for serious plumbing problems. No, like, I really agree with that. But I also, why would you ever pour bacon grease down to sink when anyone was even near it doing dishes?

This is why she's on the villain list. You're right. She's number five, I think. All right. Let's talk about Santos, this little girl, and the new social worker. So we got a bunch of emails from people with, like, various other diagnoses for this little girl, like, that is not necessarily pointing to abuse. Right. So a lot of, like, the medical professionals who watch the show are like, it could be this, it could be that.

Like, don't, as Robbie said, don't jump to conclusions. As Dylan said, don't jump to conclusions, right? Santos is like... I'm here, conclusions are here. I had nowhere to jump. Here they are. So there's a couple things going on. On the one hand, when Robbie's like, hey, you want to join this trauma, you know, think about

season one Santos, what's next, what's new, what's like, what's the coolest case that I get on? She's like, no, I want to stay here. I want to get this right. Yeah. So that's growth. We love that. Hot-headed assumptions from her where she has blind spots?

I don't know. How are you feeling about this? I mean, like glaring personal blind spots, right? Like this is a heat-seeking missile of a case for someone like her, understandably. Like, why wouldn't she think that this would be a possible, like, end point? Right. I think the thing I'm flagging is this little girl, Kylie, is warned about, you know, the blood draw they're about to do about like, oh, you can look away. I'll let us know if you want a, you know, a distraction basically.

A great perla moment. Great perla moment. She's not really bothered or fuss in any way whatsoever in a way that makes me wander. with all of the bruising that's happening, all of the injuries that she's sustained through, she says, like, soccer and skateboarding and all those things, what if those are true? And she just doesn't really experience pain

in the way that other people do. It's that Jack Wade movie. Yeah, she is a super, she is Nova Kane. Okay. I hope it's that and not something much darker. And I, you know, I hope she's going to be okay. All right. Do you want to talk about the patient,

who took a double dose of ED medicine. Yeah. Yeah? What do you want to say? I guess if we have to. I mean, Mr. Randall.

This has been a huge week for prosthetics on the prestige feed overall. Yeah. You know, just a lot happening. Yeah. This was one. I got to admit,

did not see coming. Oh, crazy. Look, I walked into it. That was purely accidental. Of all the things I thought we were going to see on the pit, I probably should have anticipated this. I bet if we reach out.

We've seen one in season. We saw in season. Oh, this case. I mean, this. This very specific thing happening. This has to happen with alarming frequency, I would think. There was so much, they drained so much out of that penis. There's, again, there's a lot of fluid coming out of Louis, like gallons of fluid or leaders

of fluid. And then, yeah, this is a lot of blood. So much blood. This is why you don't cast Luxatio erecta? Is that the spell? Don't cast it. This is what happens. That's great.

That's good stuff from you. Anything you want to say about Dr. McKay, we haven't talked about her much. in this episode. Yeah, I mean, she's, so what is her, what is her caseload right now? What I'm trying to think of talking about? She's got the guy with the erratic sort of personality that he's going for a CT scan, and he seemed quite pleasant in this episode. Quite.

Yeah. He's all over the place. I assume we're going to learn something from that scan, but we have not seen the results yet. Oh, actually, my favorite Dr. McKay moment is when she, like, clocks was going on with Robbie in Hastings, and she's like, yeah, okay. You don't have to be a master impasse to clock the way these two are just like, I fucking each other in the middle of the ER. Okay.

And Robbie's like, she's quite perceptive. Robbie just like quoting Shakespeare as he is wanted to do. So funny. All right. And then on the Hanson Pit crew, the old bacon grease thing. Sure. Given that we saw two members of family come in with those matching shirts, doesn't it feel like we're going to see many more members of the Hanson family

throughout this Fourth of July? Well, one was in the waiting room, right? Right. Their father or somebody's father was in the waiting room. But like, I just feel like if you have like the family reunion shirts, Like, we could just be getting Hanson's all day long, you know? I would really, I mean, I don't hope so for their case, but it would be a nice bit, kind of just stringing them along. If anyone's going to blow their fingers off due to fireworks, don't you think it's the Hanson Pit crew?

They are the prohibitive favorites in the room so far. Of all the people we've seen, I would absolutely buy it. Joe, I do want to talk about Javadi and Santos. Yeah. Not a rivalry in the way that she has with Ogilvy. Now. Well, yeah, newly formed. Yeah.

But Javadi's comments to Whitaker about like the shitty nickname thing about like kind of insinuating, is she really your friend? You know, for all of the chumminess we see among the staff to start this season, they've been working together for quite a while now. That's interesting, this like very clear dividing line between Javati and Santos. Yeah, I think that's interesting because I, you know, it felt like in season one, Whitaker and Javadi are like bonding over Santos being such a pain in the ass. But now Whitaker's her, like, roommate and bestie. I know. It's a different dynamic. So maybe Javadi is missing.

And he's been promoted up, you know, because he's a year ahead of her. So now he's no longer like a med student with her. Right. So she doesn't really have like an equal on the floor because there's like Joy and Ogilvie, but they're like quite new. And then. But she's not, she's not that far ahead of them. No, she and Ogilvy, I think, are the same year. They're fourth years.

I believe so. But I just mean he's like new on the floor. She doesn't have something like a comrade in arms who's still at her level because Whitaker is now getting a doctor. getting a doctor's paycheck. So, you know, lonely times for Javadi. It seems like, alienated by her mom, or at least consistently angered by her mom. Right. Lost her ally who's like, Santos sucks, right? You know, so. And Mateo's on the night shift. What's a girl to do? What is a girl to do? Matayo needs to come back earlier than later. Yeah. Anything else?

I mean, this was also, as far as the ongoing gnarly watch of this season. I mean, a lot of candidates. I mean, there's a needle into a giant prosthetic boner. Like, I don't love seeing it. to be honest when they were talking about massaging it. How did you feel about Robbie's moment when he was like better her than me? And then he's like, I didn't mean that I'll be outside in the ambulance bay. Don't at me. I like that he's kind of constantly stepping in it. Don't call HR, please. I mean, this is the thing. If you're going to have him be the cowboy, be the cowboy a little bit. We know he can be incredibly empathetic and consider it. But he's also a little fast and loose on stuff. You know what we haven't talked about, really. Who's that? Is Dana? Because she touches a lot of,

You know, she's constantly bopping in and out with, like, charts on people or checking in on people. But in terms of her own storyline, there's a conversation she has with Robbie about, like, how punchy she is, right? And which you quoted. But, like, you know, Dana's mindset after the Doug Driscoll incident last season. And what is sort of weighing is or isn't weighing on her. Yeah. She has cavalier as she seems. You know, she gets to be, you know, guiding poor little lost land Emma around.

I believe she handed her like a vomit bag when the maggots came out, right? But she knew. She was ready. She was ready with it. But what's going on with Dana? You know what I mean? I'm curious. You're telling me that kind of abrasiveness could be a defense mechanism.

That's crazy, Joe. Couldn't be me. Absolutely not. But yeah, I mean, look, she's uniquely positioned because she is bouncing between literally every case on the floor, really. Yeah. How could you not, one, steal yourself from some of the things that are happening around you, just with the incredible level of tragedy and pain flowing, flowing to the

through the ER at all times. But in particular, what she saw over the course of season one and what was inflicted on her personally, I think anyone would recoil a little bit, would pull back a little bit. And she can't take herself out of it, clearly. Like, she is a sicko for this kind of work in the way that Robbie is and everybody else is.

Like they want the adrenaline rush. They want the panic. And yet they're also weighed down by it and burdened by it. It's the full package. It's everything. Anything else we should talk about? Along the gnarly lines. Yeah, yeah, of course.

I mean, I do want to nail down. like, what was, I assume the maggots are the most unpleasant part of this episode for you. For me personally, yes. But is that worse than a shoulder getting popped back into place exposed? Is that worse than, you know, needles into sensitive areas? Should I tell you my maggot story? If you're comfortable. Okay.

Will I be comfortable? When I was a kid, my cousins, like, my cousins would come over on Easter and we would do Easter icons, right? And we would hide, my parents would hide not only like the plastic Easter eggs, but also like a hard-boiled egg that we had died, right? Sure. Wait, question. The egg is still in there?

It's not just the shell. Do you not? Yes. Joe. All right, I have notes, but please continue. You would de-eg your Easter is? Yeah, you drain the shell, then you die the shell. How do you drain a day, like you make a little hole, a little incision?

I'm a surgeon. Are you an egg surgeon? You did this? Yes. I mean, I know that like Russian crafts people do it when they sort of like, patique an egg. or whatever. But like, what are you? It's very achievable.

Okay, we did not do that in my house. And it's a very sad ending. What can I tell you? That's how you get maggots. That's why you always leave a note. Okay, so listen. But one Easter egg hunt was not enough for us that year. So we, the cousins, the four of us, like hid Easter eggs for each other.

We're like, you know, someone's going to be sure. We went down the age list. Then the youngest hid some eggs around. the house and we collected them and we were missing one and she said, I don't know where I hit it. And we were like, oh, okay, well, what could go wrong? Turns out she hit it in the like, I had like a trundle bed, like a drawer beneath my bed. And she like hit it in there, which had just like a bunch of like childhood stuff in it. So one day I opened that drawer to take out something and there, I just made a sound,

they were just maggots everywhere. How many are we talking here? I didn't take a headcount wrong. I screamed and ran from the room. And I slept in a different room that night. Is there an egg covered in maggots? Or is it like the whole trundle bed is covered? A corner of the trundle bed was a mass of maggots.

Look, that's already too many maggots. I'm not saying it's not bad. One is too many maggots. Agreed. Okay. So that's my thing with maggots. Look, I get why that would be traumatic. I get why you would see this and be like, hell no.

Frankly, I would be too, the idea of removing a cast of all. things and finding maggots feasting on your flesh underneath. Have you broken a limb before? Oh, I have. Just this past year. Oh, that's right. Yeah, broke a bone in my hand. But that wasn't, you didn't have like a cast on for a very long time. I had a hard cast pretty briefly. Yeah. So it was not the kind of thing where maggots would be festering underneath. I broke my arm like several times as a child, this one arm, um, biking, rollerblade, like any, any wheeled sport, basically. Um, with love and respect to my own hygiene, cast don't smell good no matter what. There's nothing you can do.

No matter what. And then maggots? Guys, I'm sorry I've spun out so much about maggots, but this is a really deeply personal thing for me. I also thought that, you know, for a show that can sometimes, not indulge, but showcase

these incredibly grisly parts of medical work. Yeah. Just kind of yada yada yada past that we're going to cut off this bacon, grease, burned man's skin. Yeah, we're just going to snip it away. Yeah. I'm not saying I wanted the close-up, but I've been conditioned to expect it.

And we didn't get it. Well, there's still time. There's still time for the Handsome Pit crew to surprise and to let you. All right. Well, that has been the Pitt season two episode two. Mm-hmm. Oh, before we go out, Joe. Oh, please.

I want to flag one thing. Please. Look, a lot of cases being juggled. A lot of cases from the premiere we didn't even get back to in this one. I had my mind on one person in particular. And it's the guy who came in with three full bags of prescription medicine and, like, you know, homeopathic medicines. Oh, his supplements.

Yeah. all the things he was taking. He's natural paths. It was like too big a beat to not come back, right? On the one hand, maybe on the other hand, that's just a shorthand for like, we got emails about it from doctors being like, we've seen this in the ER. This woman with a small dog in a bag and like many, many, like, totes of like supplements and opinions. It was like, it's like Robbie's rant about Dr. Google last season, right?

You know, it was just sort of like they come in thinking they know more than we do because they've Googled. And as someone who takes many supplements myself. I see myself in this photo. I don't like it. But I would never take a small dog into the ER. So there's that. I've got that going for me.

Unacceptable. All right. Well, Dr. Sybangs at gmail.com. Prestise TV at Spotify.com. We're doing industry this season. We are. With Jody Walker, the great Jody Walker. A legend.

Season 4 of industry rolling along. We got a ton of emails for that show, but we have not nailed down a specific one yet for that show. But prestige TV at Spotify.com. Is there anything you want, Joe, from our emailers for the pit. Is there anything you're curious about? Any perspectives you're...

Have you ever seen a maggot? Just in life? All your maggot stories? Tell me your maggot stories. Maybe it'll like inure me to the maggot trauma if we get a ton of maggot emails. Right. Yes.

Send us your maggot stories. The frequency of maggots undercasts in hospitals, I guess I would be curious about also the frequency of double ed dosages. Yes. Have you ever drained a... a penis over the course of an hour? I guess, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Hours. Have you ever you massaged the clots out? It's a great question. Sometimes you got to go analog, you know? You really got to do it. How do you dispose of bacon grease in your household? What's your method, Rom?

I'm going to like to put it in the jar. Yeah, you save it because you use it for something else. Or you just use a ramekin, honestly. Heat safe, great for everybody involved. How many ramekins do you own? Oh, so many. Different sizes. You never can have too many.

You're a real ramekin guy. That is your vibe. Best use, green onion pancakes with baking grease. Very good. Highly recommend. Listen, do you think if you were to get a vanity license plate, it would just say ramekin on it? Do you think that captures your vibe? I really does, you know?

It's really you. Look, I love a small dish. Yeah. I love a crate and barrel, you know? All right. I think we're tapping into something. Guys, if you have any ramekin deals from Rob, press UTV and spot about.com, I'm sad that the pigeon suggestions have dried up for you. That was like one of my favorite eras in the email.

I gotta admit. Thank you to Kai Grady who's right over there in the room. What a legend. What a thrill. Justin Sales. Yes, always. For his work. To you.

Thank you, Joe. Thanks to my cousin Corinne for traumatizing me about maggots for the rest of my life. And you know what? Thanks to Dr. Langdon for turning off that light for doing a nice thing for Mel in this episode. It makes me cry. I was like screaming about maggots and then I cried. The pit has everything truly. We'll see you soon. Bye.

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