The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 4: Final Destination Sh*t

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

Bill, Jo, and Mal escape the karmic cycle to recap the fourth episode of ‘The White Lotus’ Season 3. They discuss their favorite story lines, another Gaitok fumble, and the major flaw of the episode (2:41). Along the way, they debate about a certain (potential) prosthetic and break down the scenes on the yacht (25:09). Later, they close with a handful of predictions (01:00:40). Email us! [e-mail] Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of ‘The Prestige TV Podcast’ and so much more! Try Coffee mate Creamers Now: http://coffeemate.com Hosts: Bill Simmons, Joanna Robinson, and Mallory Rubin Producers: Kai Grady and Donnie Beacham Jr. Video Supervision: John Richter Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can listen and watch them on House of Our. That's right. We've been breaking down Lotus. This is the closest I've ever come to having an HR violation with Mao. We have a penis scene. I can't believe this is the closest has gotten. I almost sent a picture of it. the mall being like, what, that doesn't look real to me.

And I was like, oh, I guess I can't. Save it from the pod. You know? Guys, can we get that up on the monitor? Yeah, can you put this? Like, we'd like to go frame by frame. Yeah. So, I mean, any episode with a penis or stunt penis conversation.

I'm prepared. I feel like it's always solicited from. I don't know. I'm prepared. I welcome the discussion today in this bargain studio for retirees. Well, how sad is it when I see a scene like that? And I immediately, in both of us texted Mal and we're. We're like, oh, boy, it's a surprise for Mal.

It means that we know her on a truly spiritual level. Let's go a little deeper. It's pure affectionate. You said, there's something for Mal on the first 10 minutes of the episode. And I replied, is it a cat or a penis? And I said, is it a cat penis? And I was right. It was a penis.

Sadly no cats. It was only two choices. Well, this was the full moon episode. The full moon is next. No, but we end the episode. driving to a full moon. Incredible. And we broke the timeline.

This is a, this is all. Yeah. So this is it, right? This is where we get our eighth episode of the season is this day. Is the all-nighter? It ends early. And next episode, episode, episode is just going to be that one night? Is that what we think?

That's where we get the extra episode. Cinematography heading toward that moon, but just in general, the yacht traveling around the islands, this was, I mean, White Lotus is always beautiful, but this was a gorgeous episode. Did it make you want to go to Thailand and get on a boat? Let's get a check in. This definitely put it a little closer. Yeah. Put a little closer. Are you prepared to be accosted by small children in the street?

That's what I learned. Don't go to the street during water fountain or water garden day. Is that a special day? Yeah, it's their New Year's. Yeah. Definitely stay away from there. My goodness. Very funny scene.

Gris up. So the big things that happen. I'll just list five, but we'll dive in the episode. But Tim Ratliff now has a gun. We have a literal Chekhov's gun in this episode of television. Is that what we're calling it? I'm just sorry. That was the penis joke.

for Mallory. Sorry. Gun and a gun. Double gun. We're on a boat with Chloe, Chelsea, and Saxon, and Locky. And we're partying. And we've been partying for a while,

and we're headed toward a full moon. So that's there. I have no notes. We have... Locky notes close up magic. We have... Gary Gregg and Bolinda are now circling each other. I am concerned. Multiple Googling sessions. Troubled. The fancy cougars

are now partying with three Russians. one of whom has a snake tattoo that goes all the way down to a very special place. These are our robbers, right? 100%. These are definitely are robbers. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And then gay talk, guy talk? We're going guy talk them? Yeah. Might be the worst security

guard of all time. Listen. He's on a really strong pace for just this is not the guy you want guard to your resort. If Mook is like, come watch me dance, who among us is not going to have their heads turned? I'll just leave, I'll just leave that gun right on the table and I'll just see. We all got to see Lisa perform at the

Oscars, like, who could turn away from the dance performance now. We thought that Guy Talk pursuing with confidence and certainty a promotion to Bangkok bodyguard after allowing the robbers in. And then, let's just say it. Not being able to fend them out. Yeah, not fending them off to say that was a low point. But no, he immediately left Chekhov's gone unattended on the top of the desk and then vacated the premises with his would-be girlfriend.

Tim has it. And now it's gone. And Tim has it. Great moment when Pam was like, I'd like that back. and he's like, what? The phone. Oh, and one more, Rick's in Bangkok. Yeah.

So we have six storylines for juggling. Your favorite out of the six. Oh. Oh, well, I mean, it's still Larazepan Tim. Like, I just think that Jason Isaac's on Larazepam is a gift for all of us. So, yeah. I am trying to remember the last time I had this much fun watching someone on TV. Just completely unravel on Matt down.

I'm still, like, most invested in the Rick Chels. Yeah, emotionally invested. Unit. Yeah. But when the rat lifts in general and Tim Ratliff in particular are on the screen, I am wrapped. Whether or not the robe is open. Him sprawling out on the bench on the boat is one thing.

But then also, let's just talk about Vicky's entire experience on that boat. Wonderful stuff. And how she was Larazepam-free had to talk to all these people on the boat that she absolutely hated. Great moment when Piper was like, you can't get through one week at a lot. a wellness spot. And she's like, and later she's like, don't touch me.

I'm on a boat with people I don't want to talk to. Convention for a conman. And cheats. Tax cheats. Like her husband. What about you?

What's your favorite? Currently. I think I liked being on the boat. Yeah, that was just great stuff. I just like the whole vibe and seeing Locky a little bit on leash finally.

Lockhees having fun. I'm wondering where that's going to go. And I don't know if it's going to go anywhere great or maybe it'll go incredible. Guess what? It's not going to go great. Piper lost him. Lost him in the tug of war.

The family sibling tug of war by saying, I'm leaving. I'm coming to live here for a year. Can you stand up for me? He was fully in the Saxon Hive after that conversation with Piper. I don't think that's what did it, though, because he's abandoned her like kind of multiple times. But he's been pulled back and forth. It was trending that way, but this like sealed it, right? She's not getting him back.

I don't know. We'll say. Locky. Oh, Joanna jumped ahead. That's a Joanna jumped ahead clue. She's like, I don't know. We'll see. No.

I couldn't resisting episode five. No. No, I was watching it. No one's watching ahead. I just don't know that like, I don't know that that was like what Lord him. I don't think it was like I can't be there for my sister. I think it was I want to be on a boat with babes. Do you know?

So do we think Thailand? This really is Thailand with all the guys there are just these people who are running away from something or they're conmen or... I think it's a slice of Thailand. It's that. It's all the Russian expats. There's like a bunch of other things going on. Yeah, this is leaving me more fascinating. with Thailand than I ever expected to be.

And yeah, it's a TV show and it's just a small slice. But Mike White clearly seems intrigued by something about why somebody goes there, why they want to stay there. Are you hiding or are you seeking? Yeah, yeah. Hiding or seeking is like the movie up. Are you wanting to party with the Russians or hang out on the boat with the conmen and the tax cheats?

Or what are you most wanting to do with your time here? Well, what I would want to do is go down to downtown for New York. years. That sounds, that looked terrible. No. I just am going to throw this out there. I thought the geriatric pool that Jacqueline was so offended by seemed crazy. We have found my happy place.

Drinks, old people talking about their dead husbands and reading books. Beautiful view. I'm in. I thought that was great. So you're filing that away for when Adam passes if he passes before you or you're right there. I'm going to die before Adam, I think. But hopefully he'll make his way to that pool and enjoy a nice time without me and think about how

Maybe it's for Adam. That would be great. I definitely am not going to a club with the Magnaar of Thin from Game of Thrones. Vlad is the Magna of Thin from Game of Thrones. And I am not going to a club with him. He is definitely the robber. Everything is on the menu. That was the tall one?

Yeah. Was he in Game of Throne. Yeah. It was the Magna of Thun. Can you remind me because, as you know, I don't, I haven't seen the show since it did. Which one was saying? They're one of the Wildling clans and spoilers for Game of Thrones.

There's a very satisfying moment where John kills him, but they are They eat people. They eat people. They've got the wild in the show like scar tattoos on their faces. Oh. Was this after the turn of the century in the 1300s or no? It's all set exactly in the period of time

where you think it's set. All right, so that guy, that's where they got that guy. Because that guy was a bad motherfucker you could just tell. So do you think they telegraphed that those were the robbers to the point that maybe they're not the robbers? I went back and rewatched the robbery. Oh, you did?

And I was like, trying to look for clues. They just physically definitely fit. Like, it's definitely a smaller one. Two guys. One guy driving in the, in the passenger seat. And Alexi, presumably, Alexi, he's so covered in the hoodie and the mask and the glasses. Like, you couldn't. There's no peep of a snake tattoo.

Yeah, you can't see any of the tattoo. But it definitely seems like it's them. I mean, Valentin is so clearly holding that gate open. Oh, yeah, yeah. Guy Talk got played. Well, the only thing we know for sure is that episode five is off the rails. and I have some tidbits from this

for much later in the podcast from an experience I had this weekend but a big topic was how is it not come out what happened in episode five yet like people being surprised this is an absolute thrill oh that they were like

how do people who have watched it had not leaked it out like people respect the show so much that something in episode five is like wow how has this not come out yet I don't know what that is I hope everyone's going to be okay. Oh, God. I'm very concerned now.

Well, but you could feel it, though, at the end of the show, going toward a full moon. It's like, all right, shit's going down. It's just like last season. Does everybody turn into a werewolf and have an orgy at the club? That would be great. So this is the midway point. Episode 4 to 5 is the midway of the season. I know.

I did get sad. I did when I watched this morning. If the nuts thing happens in episode 5, that means we have three episodes of Fallout. Yeah. That's how nuts it is. Exciting. And we have one more. actor or actress joining at some point over these next four episodes who we know who it is.

Like we know it's a famous person. Okay. That's awesome. That's the other thing that's happening. Can't wait. That's all I've been able to gleam. And I don't feel like that. I feel like that's spoiler-free content right there.

Yeah. Someone always shows up midway through. Molly Shannon's coming. Exactly. Somebody fun is coming. Yeah. And things are about to go off the rails. Great.

All right. We are going to go backwards. We'll start at the top. A fun morning. That starts with Jackie trying to find her husband. Harrison. Harrison. I thought he was on, I didn't think he was on set.

I don't know what's going on. Maybe you're on the set. And it's not going on. This made me kind of sad. It's tough. From Jacqueline. This may be sad. It's one thing to not answer the phone call, time difference, whatever.

But both in this scene and then in the subsequent conversation over the meal, it's clear he has not been responding to her text message. I don't know. I kind of like this. I kind of like this for Kate and Lori. Because earlier, Jacqueline's like, we're obsessed with each of us. We're addicted to each other. And Lori's like, okay, but you just got married. So you don't really know what's going on. And Kate and Lori have been married for a long time to their respective. We read flagged it, though. Oh, yeah.

Nobody's gushing about their own relationship like that. This makes me think that Jacqueline is now, and we see obviously a lot of this inside of this episode. In many respects, the lack of communication from Harrison, the just genuine ego blow of Valentin's sending them to the old person's pool. Yeah. She is this tightly wound coil right now and she is ready to spring and then spiral. I think anticipating that she has been betrayed, she will do some betraying, right? This is what I feel like I will fuck someone else before you can.

I feel like Bill called this from the start. Whatever happens in Thailand stays in Thailand. She says that in this episode. I feel like Bill said that she was going to push Valentin on Lori and then take Valentin for herself. I feel like that was really bill theory. Yeah. Yeah, a little power struggle. How much of a Mike White file are you?

Fairly. Is there, I'm wondering, like, with this character and the younger husband on set, if that's a real, like, could that be the Lord, did Laura Dern date anybody who was younger than her? I wonder, like, if there's something going on there. If he's calling out someone specifically. Didn't she date Ben Harper at that point, at one point? How much younger was Ben Harper, though? Not that much younger than her.

But it feels like this is a real-life thing. the actress dating somebody who's younger and they're obsessed with each other, but not really. I need to nail it down to one person. This is Taylor's oldest time, I think. I don't know. It just struck me because I do think he puts real life stuff and things. Or maybe he heard the story of this, but it seems like something. Then I was trying to think who, what type of actor is the guy?

Oh. Like who's our parallel to this now? Yeah. Who is Harrison? This is like Gwyneth Poutre dating blank. Well, someone emailed us asking him. if, because Megan Fahey and Leo Woodall, who are on season two, are dating. And there's like a six-year age gap between them, which is not, I don't think, tremendous or something like that.

This is 10, right? This is 10, yeah. And we think she's like 48, 49? Do we think late 40s? That's around Michelle Monaghan's age, yeah. Mid-late 40s. So this guy's like 35. A famous actor in his 30s.

But again, maybe he's... It's a little bit more Ashton Coucher, maybe? Sure. Yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. I don't know. I just feel like he's dipping into some stuff. I don't know what the answer is to it. But anyway, she can't find him and it's not good. I have a hard time being sympathetic to Jacqueline. I'm sorry when she is so repulsed by this extremely ordinary pool that she's been sent to.

It's so funny. I mean, not to skip ahead, but I mean, isn't part of that? Like, that's her audience for whatever show she's on? I mean, it's not her audience. Like she's probably on like a CBS 10 o'clock. show. She's probably in like a Blue Bloods type of show. Well, we heard her say earlier in the season, right, that like, you know, she can never turn it off. She always has to be her best self. So that's, that's in the mix here. Like, she sits down, she's finally ready to just have fun, relax. And immediately it's like,

are you on TV? She can never turn off that shine and that polish. Saxon said the same thing when she sat down at the White Lotus Pool. And she was quite rude to him too. Less rude than she was to this movie. Maybe. And the fact that, like, Valentin thinks that this is their brand, right? She's like, we want a vibe. We want the energy. Well, you need to start a word, an ego blow. Yeah, it's an ego blow. But like, there's a couple things to consider here. One, that he actually thinks that, like, they would like this. But I think what felt clearer across the episode, he sends them there. Then he abandons them in the street around the children. He's like,

don't worry, it'll be fine. I'll meet you in an hour ago shopping without question knowing that they are going to have no idea how to navigate that circumstance. And then he's like, And he brings us two friends to the club. And I was really struck by the just specific, maybe it's just, you know, language barrier thing. But we know how to make fun, not have fun. Like, he's, if we think they're the robbers, then we have to ask if he's actually setting them up for a robbery. But also just that he is indulging in mocking them. But that's a three-season theme, though, is the staff having real contempt.

for the people who stay at the hotel. I mean, she called him Valentin for some reason. Yeah, you're a butler. You're leaving. She called him Valentin, which is not as bad as Saxon saying swastika. That was unbelievable. Instead of the tie greeting.

Wild stuff from Saxon. So that was how our morning started along with Blinda talking to her son. She's still hearing noises. I don't know what's going on there. What is happening in the villa? Well, I just, is it haunted? I feel like it's an animal.

Yeah. And we're just like these. unsettled Westerners who have come on this either exchange program or vacation, who are freaked out and in an unfamiliar circumstance and poised to respond in a reckless, outsized fashion to something that destabilizes them. Is it a toilet snake, Mallory? I mean, we know for a fact from the snake show that a lot of those combras come from the toilet. It could definitely be a toilet snake. How much would that be in your head every time you went to the bathroom in Thailand? I would look down before sitting. I would look repeatedly walled.

You would not sit. You would hover only. But it's a flush first before you do anything, I think. Ask questions later. Can a flush keep a cobra at bay? I don't know. Is this why Tim Ratliff keeps showering outside? Oh, man.

That looks great. I know he's really going through it, but that looks great. That shower, so my God. Snakes in the toilet yet another reason. I'm probably not going to Thailand. Oh, just when we had you. I'm out again. You're out again.

Then we have Ratliff stealing pills from his wife officially. Okay. This is like a 9-0. A2&O plot thing where somebody tries cocaine and then the next episode they're like, where do I get a bump? He took two in the morning. He took another one on the boat. He's now a drug addict? The rosam is highly addictive, first of all.

It's addictive in one day? And secondly, shouldn't be mixing it with this much booze, should you? I think when you're going through it and you don't want to feel a single thing, perhaps it is. Secondly, Rob and I were talking about this. How much does it creep you out that he takes those pills dry? It creeps out so much. This is a thing that people do on TV all the time. never understand it.

It's like, they can't spare the 10 seconds. You're a dry pill taker? Yeah. My wife thinks it's awful. First of all, it doesn't hurt. But more importantly, it leaves a taste in your mouth. You know what? Some people are tougher than others. Wow.

Do we need to be tough about taking our medication? I don't think so. I'm happy to just swallow a pill and I'm fine. Do you do this with every pill or only gel caps? No, I'll just whip them down. I can't. I can't. I can't do it. I can't.

I know a lot of people can't do it. It's a special club to tell you. You can't all of us. So at the beginning, we also have, Guy Talk wants to have a date with MOOC and finds out he needs to go to the gun range and learn how to shoot a gun because we're going to keep a gun on the premises now. Poor Guy Talk. Well, when we get to the shoot at the end that we've already heard.

Yeah. There's no way that's just gun range noise, is it? No. Because people are like screaming and running. Yeah. People are too scared. I'm excited to talk about what might happen now that Tim has the gun. Lots of different, I mean, not excited, filled with dread and trepidiping.

but a lot of different theories. In this opening guy talk scene, though, quickly, like, we didn't just get Chekhov's gun. We got Chekhov's security camera. We linger on the security camera. We linger on the monitor. So now we know. We see it right after Tim takes the Leratham.

Yes, exactly. So we know they're going to know Rat left took the goal. Well, I think Guy Talk is going to immediately look in the next episode and say, who did this and then go. I don't, I mean, like, find him. I don't think he even asked. I mean, maybe he looks. Passed him.

But, like, he passes him on the paths. Yeah. And he's hurt this guy. like saying the wild shit on the phone calls. Yeah. I don't know. Damn. Yeah.

But can we just talk about Mook inviting him to watch her dance and stuff like that? Like she's definitely interested, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is not like a creepy guy stalking a lady that he works with. No. She's interested. Not at all.

I feel like she's even more of the pursuer a little bit. It's probably like 55-45, Mook. She's into the date the next night. She asks him to come watch her dance. She goes later to make sure he sees him. making sure he sees her in her outfit. I still ship it, even though I'm terrified.

I fully support it. I'm for it. He's lovely. He's going to be shot to death. He's lovely. Yeah, I hope he enjoys his next three days of life. I ship her with his corpse. We also get in the morning Saxon's loud blender.

Drink it, Lockie. This was just an unbelievable piece of television. We do it. We don't do it for the taste. We do it for the high tea and the B.E. Girls aren't into Super Jack, guys. Piper says, what are they into? Gender Goblins who tuck their dicks between their legs and then he imitates it.

Yeah, you're going to get up and you're going to get this the gender goblins? They do figure out two times an episode just to make him be the worst, but I still enjoy the hell out of it. Grabbing the book, Joe and Rob talked on their deep dive and theory breakdown about the fact that that book that Piper has been listening to and reading. Yeah. About identity in that line about identities of persons with the symbolism of Saxon, taking this book about identity and identity being a person and booping her on the head as he dances around like a bigoted dip shit. Very rich texts. Well, yeah.

So he says, what are you doing? Reading? Oh, no. She says, what are you doing? She says reading? And he goes, why? That was some blocky. Yeah, what are you doing?

Reading. Why? Why? He's tremendous. Mom's pills are missing. And then we have the dad just sitting there at the bathrobe and we're like, oh, no. So did you know immediately? It felt, yeah, no.

Oh, yeah. I was on my radar. So much inner thigh. No, it was on my radar because it reminded me the Ducbony Larry Sanders. Oh. Same kind of like posture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. A lot of inner thigh. But, like, you were primed for this because Bill texted you to be like, there's something for you. True. True. Yeah, I shouldn't have texted you.

True. But I think I would have been excited to see what happened with the robe no matter what, just because if you're wearing a bathrobe and it's loosely fastened and you sit at an elevated position on a bar stool and then you do this and this. Only one thing is going to happen.

And it's going to be that your dick is hanging out with the tip, gently rubbing against the fabric of the bar stool. So I have some thoughts. Let's hear them. Go ahead. The floor is yours. The bathrobe with no underwear is aggressive with the family.

He had just gotten out of the shower. It's aggressive. Drying off. But you have your family. It's aggressive. Those baths hotel bathrooms. It was like a shorty robe. Those are like not fire retardant in suits.

A lot of things can go wrong. The road can, like, I'm having underwear on it, but my kids are there. And then the way he sits, I think what they're trying to say is his mind is racing with so many different things. He has no idea. He's on drugs. But the reactions of the kids, I thought was one of the funny. The daughter was just slumped on the couch. She's never going to be the same.

No one wants to see their dad's dick. Nobody. That would exactly be what happened with my kids. A hundred percent. I also felt like the reactions could have been bigger. I feel like we could all stand to be a little bit more concerned about Tim than we are. as a family. Yeah.

Well, this is one of the flaws of the episode. As drugged out as Parker Posey is, at some point it's to be like, man, this guy's like, when he starts

to be feeling Piper's face on the boat. I found that heartbreaking. But yeah, you find this last episode that the family wasn't pushing enough on like what is going on with you. This episode's even more playing.

But this episode was more glaring, I think, because he is, you know, he's Mr. I don't do drugs. I don't take drugs. So he's walking around

clearly in like a drug case the entire episode. And even if They didn't clock the drug thing, and Vicki's like, wait, who took my laurasopam? Could it possibly be Tim, who is obviously on drugs at this fair moment? He is slamming whiskeys on that boat, slamming them. And someone should be a little bit more concerned than they are. Obviously, Piper and Locky are horrified to see their dad's dangling dick.

Saxon cackling? It was more like, yeah, it seemed more like really at rest. This is a video podcast. So if you are only listening, you can watch back. Do dick charades. What do you think? Prostatic in the proud tradition of White Lotus, Theo James, who had previously shown his dick on other properties,

used a prosthetic in season two. Malib and Dickologist, thank you so much for this. I think this is... What do you think? The real Isaacs. I think so, too. Yeah. What do you think?

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As you know, I was hard in the camp of that Theo James stunt dick last episode. Yeah. I think in general, they go stunt dick every time because the guy has to, you're on the set for hours. I just think they put like they do what they did in Boogie Nights. They just put the sleeve, the fake dick sleeve over the dick. And then they have to worry about it. The actor's not thinking about, oh my God, I got to make sure I got enough blood down there. And I just feel like that's.

But he's not. He's like, Flaccid. Yeah. Still impressive, but flaccid. There were no balls to be. If you really want to go, my wife and I, when we paused it. Yeah.

No balls whatsoever. He's an older guy. I'm going to say balls are going to be around. Lots of pubic hair. Yeah. Oh, you think he should have had a sagier ball. I just think, I think whatever prosthetic thing they used kind of overpowered the rest of the area. And it just didn't sit right with me.

Okay. I'm going to say prosthetic. I say this is oh natural. Yeah. I, you know. I can try to find out for next episode if you guys, if we really, or maybe we don't want to know. There will be interviews. No question.

I am confident that people will have asked Jason Isaacs if that is real. Yeah, for sure. The thing is, once you've committed to that accent. What country's he from? Why not show your dick? England. England. Yeah.

Well, as you know, I thought, what was that movie with the crazy guy in the English Castle? Saltburn. Oh. Yeah, I thought there was some... I thought there was some fluffing for that. I thought there was... That's definitely his penis.

Well, definitely is, but I think he was... And he fucked a grave with it. Yeah. Are you gonna be there for Salt Bird rewatchables? The last episode of the feed? Do you want to ask me again if I'm enjoying my time in L.A.? How would you not be? My God.

Jason Isaacs. We'll find out the answer at some point. Yeah. Anyway. It's like from the basilisk in the chamber secrets to this Bachelors. Don't do it. Don't do it. A true patriot, if you know what I mean.

Did you see the interview that Scott Galloway, who was the voice of the lawyer in episode three. Is that true? Yeah. That he, that Jason Isis came to his house to give him acting lessons. And I feel like if you're that committed, you're just putting your actual dick on screen. English, I'm trying to think of different countries if that you can profile people that way. But I would say the English probably give less of a bit.

James is British and he chickened out. So who's to say? Just kidding. If you don't want to show your dick on television, that's not chickening out. You're allowed to do that. Well, wasn't the point they needed to make it like a monster one to get Aubrey Plaza intrigued? Wow. They didn't need to use a prosthetic for that.

Yeah, Mao's seen some of his previous work on Mr. Skin. I think that was more about the specific angle for that scene. Okay. You know? That is true. All right. Remember? Hide our seek.

Yeah, I didn't. Are you speaking? We're moving to Chelsea. Okay. Who starts breakfast by saying how things happen in three, and she's in final destination. Very concerning. Death is coming for me. Really, really, really, really plan up the death theme with them.

And then guilt's Rick to go on the boat. Cute adorable pout. I also could not say no to a pouting, Chelsea. It worked on me. I wanted to go on the boat by some she was done. Yay. It was very great. We have talked a lot about the entire cast.

We've talked a lot about Jason Isaacs, a lot about Gagas. This is like a sensational performance. Amy Lou Wood, yeah. I mean, she is. Amy is killing it. This is just unbelievable. What did Van call her in the taxi sent? Hot tooth lady?

Hot tooth lady. Fan New White Lotus fan, Van Lathan. Hot tooth lady. Hot tooth lady. Amy Lewis is in two days. Unbelievable. crushing it. Yeah.

So they decided to go on the boat, but then Rick runs into his therapist. Who has like kind of a nice moment with Rick. I thought this was beautiful. You've touched my heart. Yeah. Let go over your stuff. story of high hopes for you.

If somebody came to you and said, you have touched my heart, would you just immediately start crying now? Probably. Yeah. I've seen or do it. Probably. Find peace in life. I would love to find peace in life.

I mean, we heard him say in episode three, like, I can't get my life back. And we talked about exactly this. Like, how much of that is real, how much of that is this prison that he feels he's in? And this was just like the look on his face, the way that he has actually opened up in those sessions with Amrita so far. And this resistance he has to, like, a lot of. allowing himself to be free, while obviously also carrying a genuine and intense amount of emotional turmoil is very compelling to watch. And he's been sensational.

I hope that these words from her are in his ears and in his mind and in his heart when he stares down, Jim Hollinger. That is what I hope. Or also pull him back. Anything that Chelsea said, because we get, well, I have some thoughts and theories about what he says to Chelsea inside of this episode. Yeah, yeah. We're getting to that. Well, one other thing on this. the therapist says

I have hopes for you Did you feel like that was genuine? Yes. Yeah. So she's in on Rick. But Rick is Rick's basically Affleck and Manchester by the sea. Like he's just,

he can't beat it. The scene on the hill? Yeah. Cheerful film. Yeah. The scene on the hill when he's like, I just can't, I can't.

Or when he said, not to the on the hill, it's to the, the kid when he's explaining why they have to break up. I just can't beat it. That's kind of Rick's M.O. in this episode. It's like I just... Something he's been interesting about...

This guy ruined my life. I got to get... I got to do it. Something that's been interesting about the interviews that Walton Goggins and Amy Lou Wood have been giving about Rick and Chelsea as they've said like basically

they've been together for several years, like three years, that he's not been like this. That this is like a new midlife crisis moment for him. Right. Because she keeps referencing like, why don't we have fun anymore? More. Right.

So it's not that like, Like Chelsea's been trying to like draw this out of him the whole time. It's like he's been a better version of himself. And right now he's just stuck in this one mode. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was sad when she invoked this idea of like the cloud. And the things that she's saying on some level are fair and makes sense,

if you're in a relationship with somebody especially for that long and they won't tell you what's going on in their life. Of course it would make you feel like distant from them. but also he is so clearly going through something genuine and painful that it like has to feel pretty bad to hear that. I think their dynamic feels like very, even though it is completely like heightened and bizarre, in that respect, very true, like what people are willing to share and when

and what they withhold and when. I think like you were, you know, mentioning last week, tracking from prior seasons because they're different characters broadly. So what can we bring season to season? And this question of like who is actually on an arc of some sort of level of emotional enlightenment? And it feels like halfway. Rick is less, I think, on the Quinn season one,

I am actually experiencing a revelation. And I want to live my life a different way. And a little bit more in the like Valentina or even Harper Ethan season two spot of just like some level of self-acceptance and self-awareness gained over the course of the season. That feels like a little bit more of the comp for him based on what we've seen so far. Yeah, it feels like he has a choice to make. Yeah. He's already made the choice to go to Bangkok, which I think is the wrong choice. Stay on the boat with Chelsea.

Quite rude to that guy who hit him in the head with a backpack. Stay in the boat. Stay in the boat with all those fun people, all those fun males you can talk to. Got some great winners there. Stay at the villa with Chelsea. Chelsea would have gotten off the boat if Rick said, I'll stay with you if you get off the boat. Yeah, let's go back to the hotel pool. We get the fancies of breakfast.

Yes. And Jackie's now spinning out. And I'm just throwing this out here as a theory. Okay. Still has a chance to be the worst. character of this season. Not worst character, but worst person. She might, it's in place. She might be the worst person on the show. On, on, on what, by what metric?

Caring the least about the emotional damage she does to the people, she is in theory close to it. All she, she's like, my feelings are hurt because my 10 years younger husband hasn't called me back yet. And now I'm just going to let's get fun. I'm ready to fuck up some lives. I'm going to order my butler around. Ruding for Jacqueline by any stretch of the imagination. I just think that Tim has the possibility to destroy many lives. Yeah. Well, I think it's already happened. Yeah.

Destroying many lives. Yeah. On what level? His assets and his prosthetic penis are frozen. My God. Everyone at the club is going to know. Yeah. Everyone was like, thank God my parents are dead.

That was tough. Very sad. All right. So we go on the boat. Okay. Greg Gary, we find out he's retired. Well, government work, a little investing. Yeah.

A little investing. Yeah, that's totally how you got 150 foot yacht. Oh, my God. Investing in a woman who I got killed. Yeah. Parker Posey holding an umbrella, which I appreciated. Parasol. Wonderful.

Did you like their sort of reservoir dog slow-mo walk towards the camera? I did. Rat lives a zombie. Yeah. Kind of the new drink. He just sees out of it. He's bummed out that Rick's there. He's just having the worst time.

I wanted more from that. And it was very brief. Yeah. I wanted them to blow up each other again. It makes me think they're going to have a big scene later. I think so, too. Yeah, they're kind of circling each other a little bit. I think so too.

He raids the pills, becomes a pills addict in 24 hours. And then we find out that Piper tells Lockie, yep. I'm moving here. Yeah. Yeah. This is not, I wasn't here to interview a monk. No.

No. She lied to her family. It's a family of liars. Brought them across the globe under false pretenses. It's like a 30-hour trip over a long it takes. Yeah. Yep. Three layerovers.

And apparently those villas are. $10,000 a night at that location. Jesus. And you still have poisoned fruit on your deck? Yeah. There's a report. That's of four seasons, right? There's been a report that they've had people checking in and upgrading to the White Lotus

Villas like in the last couple weeks and they're $10,000 a night. What did you guys make, by the way? I don't want to leave Tim on the boat yet, but what did you make of the fact that the old people at the pool said they couldn't get into the White Lotus because you can only go if you're a guest, but Gary and Chloe are routinely there? Oh, that's a total super rich person thing. They have just special. Yeah.

I think there's probably like special properties that are attached to the hotel. Because those are they are like on a cruise. They're like on a cruise. Yeah. Because if you're the hotel, you want people like then to come down, eat dinner and drink at your bar. I heard from someone in hospitality and they were like, that happens all the time. If you're like super rich and you're nearby, you come in. Your grandfather day.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, Piper's going to live in Thailand. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. match of Piper, who's about as fun as a stick in Thailand?

I don't know. I have some concerns, initially. Well, the question is, you know, is she going to stay? Because her, Rob and I were talking about this, her drop in at the monastery was very superficial. Like, I know she's got an appointment for later, but she just kind of looks like, how much does she know about the reality of what it is

to live at a monastery in Thailand for a year? And it seems very much in keeping with. White Lotus that a character like Piper who feels that she's better than her family, above her family is going to commit to this kind of thing is just going to not is going to relapse into

like pamper privilege by the end of the season. But this is another Mike Wade theme because this was basically season one too with the kids who are part of this family that from the outside seems great and they have enough money to do whatever they want but the kids

aren't happy. They don't like Her face when Lockie and Saxon are like, we're going to stay in the boat. And she just looked like, I have to eat dinner with these two fucking lunatics tonight. Well, she's not going to be there for her. Yeah. To tell the news. I was really struck by when she kind of was priming Lockie for, hey, will you be in my Survivor Alliance? Obviously, I'm like, a white passion point.

She was like, yeah, no, yeah. I went and I looked yesterday and I'm sure. I walked around for 30 seconds and I'm sure. And I think that Piper is way. To me, mileage may vary, way more likable than the Sydney-Sweeney-Olivia character from season one, who I thought was, like, despicable. Yeah. And very unlikable.

I like Piper. Yeah, I like Piper way more. But I think that's fair. The Sydney-Sweeney character was awful. Oh, yeah. I think you're right to identify that there's a parallel there that Mike White is interested in interrogating. And it's active text in this episode, like, Piper is a better person than Saxon. Objectively.

Piper has, like, morals and outlooks that are more in line. probably with many of the people watching. But when her mom says, you're like the most judgmental one here, it's kind of hard to dispute that point. And that puts her more in the Harper camp. And would we not say that Harper had sort of like a, I'm better than you.

Oh, wait, I'm exactly like you moment in season two. Yeah. So I think Piper's, I'm better than you, is going to bite her in the ass. That's Mike White's favorite thing. As you know, I loved Harper and Ethan. When you say their judgment, that she's judgmental,

is it worse than sex? and calling her a sourpess or sourpuss sad sack shithead. It made me laugh. It's not great. It's not great. Right before he wanted to get, go talk to the three girls and said, these girls are looking for some young,

young cum. Yeah, they want some young cum. And Lockhe's like, okay. Is that the young gun sequel you've been waiting for, young cum? These girls are thirsty for some young fucking cum. That was great. Locky's reaction that was priceless.

We needed him to get Locky going, and Locky has now been activated. We're in store for a major Locky episode in episode 5, I think. He's moved up in the death odds. Oh, man. They've telegraphed too much Chelsea Final Destination stuff. I think she dropped on Fendul. Is it because you hate magicians generally

that you're putting Lockland on the watch list? I was impressed by the magic stuff. Magic was great. I was impressed too. Chelsea was impressed, and I was impressed. You had mentioned the opening credits with Lockland last time, which was alarming. I can't shake in the opening credits.

I think we're all aligned that the Chelsea stuff is so voluminous. It does feel like it's meant to mislead us at this point. But to zoom in to the mangled animal corpse over her name on the credits, the camera moves into the death in a way that has me just very on edge still. Very on edge. I'm worried. Can I do a quick tangent here for one of my true passions, which is when shows... Is it still about prosthetic penises?

No, we're moving on. When shows crossover for no reason with another show. because I was thinking how great it would have been if there was just one scene where Conor Roy was there with his wife. And it's like they're there, they're on the boat and they... What about one of the billions criminals on the yacht?

Just somebody from that universe. Now you're talking. Just they're on the boat for just a minute. And it's never really acknowledged and we don't even know if it's the same people. I think the move would have been cousin Greg. Because he is like firmly etched in our minds with yacht cannon because of the toenail fungus.

Obviously this is like one of the, the most memorable things that's happened in the last decade of television. And it was on my mind here because they all fucking wear shoes on. And I'm like, is this not Teak? What did Succession teach us nothing? And only Saxon, model citizen that he is, had the decency to wear boat shoes. The hell is everyone else wearing. Got to wear the boat shoes.

You don't have the foot fungus conga? She's appalled that we find Saxon so compelling. It is just that he is entertaining. He is entertaining. He is entertaining. He is deeply entertaining. Very much so. He's just like one of the worst humans of ever since.

He's a bad person. We're full of knowledge in that. Great to watch. Listen, there's two kinds of people. One is the type who, if there's an Instagram video of a dog humping somebody's leg, they laugh. And the other side is, they're like, oh, no, that's terrible. Mal and I would laugh. We know how Saksen would laugh.

She's just, she's like, how have I chosen to spend this much of my time and career with these two idiots? She'll be a sourpuss sex shit. Okay. Can we talk about Tim and Gary? I don't want to cut you off. But if I ever need help, hiding my money from the government, that was great, too. Or one of my ex-miles, I'll call you.

Swatty never. Rick, mocking, the very thing that Tim needs, which is somebody to help him hide his money from the government. What do you make of this bill? So we learned my father was a very successful business man. My grandfather was the governor of North Carolina. governor of North Carolina. We are going to officially need North Carolina

corner with Tate Frazier before the end of the season. The way he said North Carolina really felt like it hit that accent perfectly. Oh yeah. They said with the dad, very, very successful businessman. Thank God he's dead. Very painful.

She kind of says that under his because he knows. Barazapam Tim is so out of control that one of the creeps on the boat is like, I'll meet you at the bar. Right. Even they can't be around Tim Ratliff in this state. This is very sad to watch.

I am worried about whether he's going to be with us for more than one episode, honestly, at this point. Or is he just going to stay in Thailand and, like, hide from the consequences of his action. This is the thing. Oh, he just goes, he goes to, like, in hiding? He's basically doing an interview with Gary for, like, a can you help me hide my money campaign? Like, he's sniffing. The fact that they end up on, and obviously, this is the conversation later with Vicky and Piper and Tim. Like, you have no idea how lucky you are that your dad is a boy scout.

And Tim is like, oh, my God, everybody. The people at the club, the ghosts of my dead parents, my beautiful family. My legacy and identity have been shattered and everyone will know I am a fraud, how deeply painful to have to confront. We hear him say on the phone call, which we'll obviously talk about, like, I would rather be fucking dead

than go to prison, and then he goes and takes a gun. And when Pam asked for his phone, he's like, yeah, I'm not going to need it again. Worrying. But in this conversation with Gary, so what about you? Are you hiding or seeking?

I'm just on vacation with my family, but you never know. So which way is this going to go? Is Tim going to say, hey, yeah, you know what? Vicki's right. I was on a yacht full of con men and cheats. Maybe I can get some advice from one of them.

Or is Greg Gary going to sense how desperate Tim is seeking to evade detection and try to capitalize on that in some way? If you kill Belinda, I'll do this. Something crazy. Yeah. The thing I love about Greg Gary. It's really sticking. This performance. It's a good dog name.

I can't tell what he's thinking at any time. Like when Chloe later asked for the yacht You know and he's clearly like Pissed about it But like how pissed is he? It's a very good restraint performance I think it's hard to pull off Yeah he does a nice job of

I never know what he's thinking ever The only time he really like tells on himself Is when he's watching Saxon and Chloe That's kind of it Or also the side eye that he gave Belinda When she was walking through the lobby Well that was just like Again very very worrying

His house looked really nice What did you think of the old Hawaiian shirt guy with the Dr. Pepper hair and the young trophy Thai girlfriend, wife. Which one? When Parker Pose is like, you should put a ring on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that guy.

Those guys exist. They're usually minority owners of NBA teams. Yeah. There was like 10 of them on the boat. They can't quite get on the trophy celebration, but they're over there with like the badge on. But I really enjoyed that casting. I thought that was good. We also had Lockadu and Magic Tricks, which we mentioned. Loved. We have Dad fondling Piper's face.

and having a nervous breakdown. I promise you if I did that to Zoe, she would immediately call my... Be like, you need help. Something's wrong. Yeah. Here's Larazepam, Tim's lowest moment, and it's not stealing a gun.

I think it's gaslighting Vicky. When he steals her drugs and he's like, you're always losing things. You don't know where anything is. I'm just like, you, motherfucker. And like, the saddest thing about that is she kept offering them. Yeah.

Right? He's withholding and lying here for no reason. Like, he's worried about this. great deception being revealed, but he's compounding it by hiding all of these other things. It's just honestly, White Lotus is a very funny, darkly comic show, but this is like deep tragedy. Here's my question about Vicky. Like, if we're talking about like what could push someone over the edge, like, if Vicky finds out the truth about what's happening with Tim, like what is that going? Sober Vicky.

Sober doesn't have her pills, Vicki. Right. Right. What is that going to do to her? I wrote down to my notes I wrote down in my notes this family's just a whiff incesty Well yeah

Just a whiff We've been talking about the Targaryans for a reason Fodling was really strange That was more platonic sweetness And devastation No no no it lingered too long It's still lower in the power ranking After Lockie watching his brother

Walk naked to jerk off in the mirror Well that was weird And also behind Lockheed Lockheye looking at his brother's ass In bed the next morning and also below the This family is pretty a mess. And below Saxon's

Vicki's anecdote about Uncle Babe. Right. Traneing troll. You're right. This family's off. Yeah. Who is the succession character, the guy who worked in the company,

who was, it turned out he was like, Uncle Mo. Oh, yeah. For Molester. Call him Uncle Mo after Molester. God damn, I missed that show. What a show. Part of Pose against Manor.

Piper. But then one other big thing happens here. Chelsea confronts Rick. They have their moment on the deck. Here's my thoughts and theories. Really great. Go ahead. Joe, you on the floor.

So he says, the dude who murdered his father, Scott Glenn, Jim Hollinger, owns this hotel. He's in Bangkok, so I'm going to Bangkok. And he says,

I never knew my father. I told you that. He was a do-gooder. He came to Thailand to help people. He was trying to help these locals, keep a shady American from stealing their land. I don't really know the details. One day he disappeared.

they never found him. Yeah. I don't believe any of that is true. I believe that that is what his mother told him on her deathbed. He thinks it's true. But I don't, I think he's going to find out one of two things. Either that just Jim Hollinger is straight up his dad.

Yes. Who absconded to Thailand. That's been the leader in the club asshole now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Jim Hollinger is like, you think your dad was a good dude? Right. He absolutely was a piece of shit. Not.

And this is what he's built his, Rick has built part of his identity on this, on this fairy tale. Yeah. that his dad is a do-gooder who tried to, I don't know, the plot of Seven Samurai. He came to Thailand and do help locals with real estate stuff? Yeah. What does that mean? To keep a shady American from stealing their land.

Right. He was definitely the shady American trying to steal their land. You and Rob joked about this recently, but like it actually is setting up to be the Darth Vader. I know. It's definitely Darth Vader. How two things you pulled out of him, though? Like she got him to open up.

But people are, Rick's just opening up left and right. My God, is this a bit? You kill my father prepared to die. Kind of. Great stuff. Just great stuff to get the Princess ride reference. And the last big thing on the boat was that we mentioned it, Greg and Greg Gary and a rat left having a drink. Yeah, boring.

Got sick of the rat race, apparently. Yeah. Also, I had my wife murdered and she was found on the water. I have a lot of notes still about his, I have gone into hiding strategy, which is terrible. Why do you tell any of the story? about Tanya any of it with a weird

detail about the leg why is he by another white lotus why is his name basically the same fucking thing he's one of the worst criminals in a

while search to figure this out I will say we did get emails from a bunch of people saying when you're in the witness protection program

apparently they advise that you change your name to something that is similar so that you can like it feels more natural yeah so that when you when you're called

that you respond to it faster you've got emails from people that telling us this how would they know this how is this how is like a thing

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I'm so glad that someone's named Alexi. Almost every Russian I've ever met has been named Alexander, Alexi, or Sasha. which is all the same name. And so I'm really glad that they got that right. Like those two, they look like just UFC fighters or bad guys. He had mentioned to Guy Talk when inviting him to the fight that one of his friends was a fighter. So that could certainly be one of them, but also they are the robbers. I mean, I forgot that we have that.

Yeah, we have the fight coming. So how many days away is that? I don't know. That was Friday. And so is Piper's conversation. I know her interview. There's a lot happening on Friday. So that could be second and last episode for going Saturday to Saturday.

Vlad is definitely, I think, his friend who's in the fight. And also, Guy Talk got a real good look at him when he came out of the car. We did not see the face, but he did. So he's going to be like, that's him, the robber. And then be killed before he's able to accidentally fire the gun when the monkey scares him? I don't know. We need Guy talk in a lot of places. Will the snake choker play into any of this?

Because Chelsea was looking at the snake choker that we presume Alexie. Snake tattoo? Yeah, snake tattoo. Maybe he's like, I need this because it matches my very... Do you think he's going to wear the snake choker? Does she go to the fight? Question for you both about Valentine. So it's Valentine, not Valentine.

It's Valentine, right? So he's like yelling at the front desk? Did you clock this? When they go up to him? When they came back? Yeah, and they're like, why did you send us there? He was like, incredibly. But before he talks to them, like, the person at the front desk, he seemed to be like

yelling at that person. He was like very animated. I've never trusted him for a minute one on the show. But like, what do you think that was? Was he like, I know for a fact they're not here? Let me in their room? Let me in the villa? Or part of the inside job of the boutique fallout?

Right. Was it something about the robbery? That was just very suspicious and weird. I didn't even notice that. Like the way he was behaving, it's, again, kind of like a version of, it does seem like legit, but kind of a version of all the Chelsea death things where it's like you're saying, there's so much evidence. Is it meant to deceive us?

I don't know. I think he's just at the very least, someone who helped pull off a boutique robbery and is about to show some ladies a good time and, possibly also robbed them. I was going to say he wouldn't rob them because that's shitting where he eats, but he already helped rob the boutique where he works. Exactly. Most surprising person who actually did the boutique robbery would be MOOC.

Oh, yeah. I don't think MOOC is pure. Mook is pure. That would be the shocker, though, right? This whole time Mook's been double assessed. Is my dark horse? Pam. What's Pam doing?

I'm just kidding. I don't think she's on it. But I do want to shut up her face. The phone guard her. When he's walking towards her and she's like looking up eager to please and then She's like, oh no. Oh, no. Yeah, you're popular.

Yeah. Great stuff. So we have Belinda. No, no, Pam. We're not doing this. Belinda finally goes on the internet. Yeah. Pretty sure I would have done this immediately.

I don't know why 20 hours had to pass. I agree. I think you Google this guy right away. You're not thinking about that. You're mine in bed at night. Can be like, hey, you know what I should do? Google Greg Gary. Yeah.

So this was interesting. Like, I guess not that you necessarily keep tabs on people who fucked you over and didn't follow through on the business. investment that they briefly toyed with. This goes back to my earlier point that we're not, we don't have a steady roster of who died at a white lois. Well, but this was major news. In Italy.

Tanya's same. No, it was like ABC, ABC, CNN. All the articles were national news. I was zooming in. But I think she would remember him pretty immediately. Yeah. Yeah. And she was, again, able to piece it together fairly quickly.

I don't know. I don't know. Like, you guys might have better memory than I do. But if I met Greg. Yeah. I would remember Tanya. I wouldn't necessarily remember. remember people I met yesterday.

Yeah, that's what I would be the worst person. Yeah, he's like, he has a distinctive face. But I guess the, I think her taking a little while to place him makes sense. But because she specifically asked, do you know Tanya? I agree with you. Then, like, go Google it immediately. That delay felt a little. I disagree because I think tracking this character who says, like, I know I'm right.

Like, I think she has to talk herself into that. I think she was, we're supposed to think of her as like so defeated by what happened her in season one of White Lotus. Yes. For sure. like coming back into herself. So I think particularly like just sort of as someone who's like, I don't think she always trusts herself anymore about things.

And then it just took her a moment. Right. Less than a day to do the Google. You know, true. Doing it right away. Eris drowns in Sicily under mysterious circumstances. Yeah. Ere's husband wanted for questioning.

So they couldn't fucking find this guy? This is interesting. Like not a surprise, but confirmation that he is in fact. He's not just hiding, anticipating that he needs to hide. He is actively on the run. Actively on the run. Because he is a suspect in her. Awesome house next to a another way, Lotus.

I just Google exority in Thailand. What's the answer? That's very complicated. Greg Hunt, 27 years. Deputy Director at BLM. The BLM season one plotline was Her Black Lives Matter. Really a time on television with Tanya.

What a moment that was. So do you think, think going back to season one, now granted, they wrote that during COVID and he's pumping it out. But do you think in season one when he meets Tanya, did they ever think that that would evolve into this? You think Mike White knew that in season one? I don't think so. I would say no. Tanya goes down to the pool to watch Greg swim. And a guy, like a young, hot, buff, gorgeous chest hair that I remember quite vividly, I have to say, goes and sits next her and marks her as a rich, lonely old woman who he can take advantage of.

And it's in the exact moment where she's like entering into this courtship with Greg. So I think it was at least like, I did not clock out in real time watching season one to be clear. But on revisiting it, it's like, oh, I wonder if that was at least something that they were considering. Greg being a scammer, yes. But Tanya and Greg being like the through line of three seasons of television. Oh, no, no, no. No, no. Yeah.

Okay. But the idea that someone would look to take advantage of Tanya, romantically to get to her money, I think was there. Well, we got to stare down in the lobby. That was fun too. We also had, Greg Gary gives Chloe the boat for the night. Even after watching Saksie getting a little flirty. And he's like, you know, a huge pool on the boat.

Imagine having a boat with a pool on it. It seems great. I simply would never leave. It seems fucking great. Well, and then dobb off the side too. Yeah. That looked wonderful. That looked wonderful.

So many options. Okay, so he finds Belinda's Instagram. and is looking at the photos of her and Zion. But that's the very end. A couple other things happen, though. Chloe said Rickos leaves Chloe behind. Chelsea behind you. Chelsea.

And he said the guy ruined my life from day one. And Chelsea says, but makes it seem like he's not going to kill him necessarily. And she goes, come on, I know you, Rick. This is what you do? What does that mean? This is what you do. Does that mean he's a hitman? It could be.

That's been like an early popular theory about Rick. I think it's more like once you do something, you do it all the way. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Oh, I see what you mean. I just need to look in his face and tell him what he did to me while he's still alive. And then she's like, I know you're not just going to plan to talk.

Again, very like dear Mr. Sawyer vibes here. Then we're at dinner with the rat lifts. Classic Scorpio, honestly. This was Parker Posey's best scene. The dinner? This was a convention for con men. and tax cheats. I'm sure you cheat on your taxes, mom.

Well, not so badly that we have to leave the country. Yeah. I wouldn't be a surprise. A few of them are actual killers. We don't know how lucky we are to have a father who's an actual boy scout. Tough beat for our guy. He is a literal criminal. Yeah.

Who did a literal large, investment and fraud deal. Big and a bezel. Big and bezzer. Yeah. Only me 10 million, guys. Only 10. What was the point?

I don't get out of bed for less than 15. What was the point? And then Tim gets his phone back. He finds out that Kenny Wynn, I think, was the guy's name, cooperating in the feds. Best we can do is cut a deal. I can't work in finance if I was an embezzlement and fraud. No kidding. You got bigger things to worry about.

I'd be shocked if they haven't frozen your assets already. I don't know if you have a joke, follow-up joke on that. Frozen assets? Just a few months. In prison? Yeah. I would rather die. You understand me?

I would rather die. What do you want me to tell my family we're fucking poor? The worst thing that could possibly happen to you. And then he sees the gun. Get some better. Dry heaves. He's fucking dumbass. Dry heaves comes up from the dry heaves.

This to me puts Tim actually down the he's going to die list. Do you know? Because he has a gun and he's on drugs. down because he says, I'd rather die. Do you hear me? I'd rather die. In the same way that, like, Chelsea being marked for death makes us think that she's less likely to die.

Oh, so you think it's a throw-off dissent? I think that he is going to try to kill himself. But I think he will be... Definitely think he's halted in some way. This is the plan with the gun. Yes, definitely. He's taking the gun. Also, I think the question of whether he tries to shoot himself

or whether he suffers some sort of medical event. Because, like, he's not using... He's just to taking all of these pills. He's drinking a lot. Passes out in the pond. Something, yeah. Exxiety. Accidentally in a haze eats the poison fruit.

Who knows? Fruit blender. Still in play. Fruit blender still in play. Definitely. People loved that theory. Oh, they did? Oh, yeah.

People loved the poison smoothie theory. I think if he goes, because he goes back to the dinner table. So then the question is like, does he have some time? But again, he said to Pam, she's like, I hope you don't need this again. He's like, I won't. Like, it seems like he's prepared. to act imminently? So is he going to go back that night

if the whole next episode is this night, which we think it's going to be? That's interesting. Could it be a Tim disappears? Could be. He's just gone. That's part of why I feel like the prospect of Tim trying to harm

himself feels like a next episode. Maybe he has a gun to fend off people. What if we go into hiding is like episode six, seven, eight? And there's still time for both of those. But if Guy Tak is trying to get the gun back, does he make his way into that villa and stop him? Or does he make his way into the villa get caught on camera and accused of stealing the Larazpam? That's why he had a season one. It is. Kai. Yeah. Well, Guy Talk has the security footage in his back pocket. He does. So we leave with Guy Talk freaking out. Angry Rick in the airport. Ratliff at dinner, just completely broken.

You know. Greg Gary looking at Belinda on social. Saxon parting on the boat and screaming, Full moon, baby! Great tease for episode five. And we're headed toward an incredible episode five. I'm excited.

I can't wait. Predictions. Zion. Greg Gary seeing Zion. So, okay, here's my question for you guys. What feels more likely? And does this,

does this in any way change for you guys just like now thinking back to the opening of the season? Which was, of course, with Zion. And he's very scared in response to the shootout about his mother. mom. And at the time, that's good point. So she tells them at some point. Or does Greg

send people after him? Like, that's what I'm wondering about now. Because watching the beginning of the first episode, my response is like, of course, you would be worried about any of your loved ones. If God forbid, you found yourself in a situation like that, but it feels more keen and specific. It feels like he knows that they're, they're in trouble. So like, are, is Greg Gary going to use Zion and his existence to manipulate Belinda? Like, I I know you have a son. If you want him to stay safe, keep your mouth shut. Or is he going to try to get to Zion in some way to make Belinda vulnerable through her son and try to control the situation that way?

The fact that this episode established a timeline, not just for his arrival, but his travel, he's like, I'm at the airport and I'm coming. I don't know. It just made me wonder. Now he's got his tag on Instagram, clicks through, sees him at the airport, sends one of his fellow conmen to go find him. I wouldn't rule it out. Greg Gary is a criminal. Can I throw in a bonus? What if what if the Russians are on his payroll too? They could be?

And he did the robbery because he's still trying to make some cash. I think he has. He's doing very well with that house. I don't think he needs boutique cash. And the yacht. The other thing is Zion said in that first episode that his mom knows he had been pretty stressed out, just finishing finals and some other stuff. He has some connection to this, right? Some awareness of what's happening.

Very worried about Zion. Not great. I'm not attached to him yet because we've only seen him in one scene. Literally not shown up yet. It's very little time to like... How much in danger would Zion have been if the first time we see him he's doing like one of those goofy therapy things, right? I mean, you'd be like, let's hide in the room. I think he's less about him being in danger and more whether he becomes embroiled in this plot.

Like what feels increasingly likely this season is that a lot of what goes wrong is because people are trying to like, the guy talked, situation trying to impress somebody, afraid of losing something. Or, you know, Tim, what will my family think of me? Zion, potentially, I need to protect my mother. Like, everybody's one degree removed from some sort of direct action.

And is that perhaps actually more combustible as a circumstance? So, that's kind of interesting. We know something crazy happens at episode five. We don't know what it is. We all have to make a crazy prediction. Oh, okay. What stories from the weekend do you want to tell us?

I'll do that after we do the predictions. Okay. Okay. Let's see. So they're going to be on the party yacht. Sexual misconduct on the party yet. Yeah. Oh. Not like assault, but just sort of like some. Locky and Saxon ending up in an orgy together.

Yeah. Some incest, some actual canonical incest. Yeah. That's what it feels like. That seems totally right. Also at the other party, the other full moon party at the club, Jacqueline. Sneying Lorry's man. Yeah.

A lot of sex coming in the next episode, I think. I think the yacht's fine. Yeah? That would be for prediction meter. No, I think the yacht's going to be... How many you talked about weird stuff happening on a boat every season of a lot? I think it's going to be off the, you know, off the beaten path and it's going to be crazy and fun. But I don't think that's where we're getting the crazy thing.

Okay. I think it's the three ladies. I think it's something with one of the three. It could also be Rick and Bangkok. I mean, those three Russian guys, like something. fucked up is happening with that. My guess, I don't know, I'm just

like judging it from the first four. Carrie Coon's been quiet. I agree. I feel like that they I'm not saying they're shoving her aside, but it's like they just kind of have her in the bullpen warming up for like a she's too good of an actress.

Like this isn't a good enough part yet. She's got that strikeout pitch. Let's bring it. Is she going to wild out or also I don't know what happens. But I'll point out to us that, like, Lori is, like, a ball-busting lawyer. So, like, in terms of a fight that might happen in the aftermath, I wouldn't want to fight Lori. Right.

Of the three of them. And I say ball-busting as a compliment. But it could also be an actress thing with Jackie where something, she does something crazy, but then there's pictures or there's a photographer. But that's not, like, crazy, crazy. I mean, Full Moon, like, you ask me if I know anything about astrology and I don't. But Full Moon mythologically is, like, everyone. lunacy, madness.

Everyone, midsummer night's dream, everyone just sort of giving over to their basis impulses. It would be funny if Joe moved to L.A. and then just really got into astrology. Seems like a good... It's all on the table for you.

It's all on offer for you here in this great city. No, it's all she talks about. She just pitched an astrology pod. I think you'd be great. I think you'd be great. A daily micropod? Play with the format?

So is it an astrology pod for me and a creep detector pod for Ron Mahoney. That's right. Is that what we're spinning up? And a prosthetic penis pod for me and Mao. That's exactly right. I think everybody has found their calling. That's what I'm hearing.

A little niche for everyone. Yeah. Will we actually spend time with Rick and Bangkok in the next episode? It's a short flight. 7 o'clock short flight. So he hits the ground immediately. 100%. He goes and finds Jim Hollinger.

But our day sequence is kind of fucked up now. Well, I guess it's not. Because it's just a too. I just don't know what day we start. This is what we talked about before. We don't know that they like checked in on Monday. We don't know. The only thing we know is we haven't had the fights yet.

So I feel like we're on a Wednesday and this is a two-part Wednesday. And there's Thursday and there would be three days left. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Saturday. I think you're right because Guy Talk, we have the dance that night. That's the other thing. We're not just at the party yacht and the club. We've got the dance back at the White Lotus that he's attending. So that's this night.

And then he invites to move on a date the next night. He's got the plans for the fight the night after. So we're at least two nights before Friday. You don't think the date is the fight? I think he's misjudging the situation with MOOC if that's their first date. Take MOOC to the fights as a as a flex. His whole thing is like, I want to be the impressive one. He's like, look at these hot muscular guys flex their muscles in front of you and sweat on you.

One more possibility like Lockie doing the thing where he just, maybe he tries Coke, a sex thing, sex thing gone wrong. Yeah. Sex murder on the yacht. I think that's got to be there. Sexual, sexual. Yeah. And then maybe, maybe. Tim going at Greg Gary's house

Oh for like Disappear Me Yeah Sort of thing Help me out But I don't know how crazy that is Or tries to kill himself Just check yeah

Does check off scone Come into play next episode I think so If we're heading toward An episode where people are like I can't believe it hasn't come out yet I'm just honestly all bets are off But also should we not maybe

Lower expectations So we don't watch and go like Oh that wasn't that big of a deal Do you know what I mean? I just I want us to protect ourselves than our listeners who are like, you promised me the coolest episode of television I'd ever seen.

Every episode of White Lotus, I think something astonishing happens because I'm like, how could people behave this way? If you go with lower expectations and then you're just surprised and delighted, that's great. And if you go in thinking

it's going to be the greatest thing ever and it's... I'm expecting a werewolf orgy under the full moon and anything else will be a disappointment. Okay. I support you.

I'll just give you one tidbit from the weekend. Okay. Wow, just one. Ran into Patrick Schwarzenegger. You said, to play basketball with me and Jacoby at USC. You forgot that you played basketball with Patrick Schwarzenegger?

He brought this up to me because I had no idea who he was. He was going to USC and he played basketball with us many times apparently. Many times. We talked pickup basketball. Was he not very good that you don't remember the experience? We played with college kids. Did you tell Jacoby that? We used to play like, yo, Jacoby was over the moon.

Jacob said me 900 texts about playing basketball with ER doctors and gave me a whole rundown on what's accurate about the pit and what's not. I would guess he was probably pretty good, though, because he was half. Schwarzenegger. Well, half Schwarzenegger, good athlete. Yeah. But also, I don't know, he seems like he's in good shape. He's tall.

He's very tall. What did he think of your game? Did he provide any feedback? I think he was impressed. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. How's your mid-range jumper?

What did he say? He didn't, we didn't go that deep. So last week, Damon Lindelof complimented your baseball skills. Yeah. And that one I don't remember. The USC had some good times. And this week, Schwarzenegger's like. I also like you got some favorable scoring.

I also met Leslie Bibb, who is tall and beautiful. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the next time I see the two of you, wow. Wow. Something major will have happened. Can't wait.

I feel like we're getting sex in this next episode and probably a death. Early death. Sex. Ahead of the shootout would be. Sex death parlay on Fando, I'm in. Plus 200. Yeah. I bet the sex death parlay.

Maybe not same character. A little sim is special here. Plus we get to go to Bangkok where I've never really been, Oh, there are a couple movies. Can't wait. Bangkok, dangerous. Thrill. All right.

That's it. We'll see you next time. Oh, and you have the deep dive pod with Mahoney. Yeah. Coming. What are you doing? Wednesdays? Yep.

All right, Wednesdays. You have touched our heart. Yeah, great see you as always. Thanks to the crew as well. We'll see you next week.