The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘The White Lotus’ Season 3, Episode 6: About Last Night

Episode Date: March 24, 2025

Bill, Jo, and Mal reckon with the truth to recap the sixth episode of ‘The White Lotus’ Season 3. They discuss Lochy and Saxon’s handsy encounter, the most depraved HBO moments over the years, and other big takeaways (2:09). Along the way, they talk about the show’s many Emmy-worthy performances (41:19). Later, they close with a handful of predictions and their current death rankings (01:07:38). Email us! [e-mail] Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of ‘The Prestige TV Podcast’ and so much more! Try Coffee mate Creamers Now: http://coffeemate.com Hosts: Bill Simmons, Joanna Robinson, and Mallory Rubin Producers: Kai Grady and Donnie Beacham Jr. Video Supervision: John Richter Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can find all the severance stuff. You and Rob did. Yeah. The season ended. What a season. Yeah. I can't believe everyone died. That was crazy.

Who would have saw that coming? Yeah. You can watch this as a video podcast on Spotify. I hope you are. You can watch it on the Ringer dash TV YouTube channel. Mm-hmm. And I'm starting to get sad because this is episode six of White Lotus. And we only have a couple left.

No. We only have one more pre-tape. And then usually we don't get the screeners for the finale. So we're going to do that one live. Live Sunday night. Live. That's very exciting. Sunday night.

You love a live reaction pod. I would be thrilled to watch the White Lotus finale with the two of us. And then immediately talk about it. Genuinely. That would be great. Will someone turn to the other and say, you're soulless? Sad. Could happen.

Will you show up with Saxon's hangover hair? It's entirely possible. As you know, I'm considering buying one of Lockhees shirts. I told you both that I've been served Lockhees outfits on Instagram, which I am deeply disturbed by. You don't want to embrace your inner locky? No. Okay. A little sleight of hand, Mallory, no.

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Every episode is better than the last. We were concerned, intrigued, worried. Intriged. Where they were going to go with the brother's storyline? Tantalized. Scared? Yeah. And?

So you said you didn't want this. When we asked last week, do you want to go beyond kissing? You were like, no, thank you. No, yeah. I still definitely don't want it. Man, did they go for it? Yeah. Holy mackerel.

So the answer of, oh, I wonder how far they're going to go with the brothers. Well, they went really far. And now the only thing left for Mike Wait to do on White Lotus, I think is necrophilia. Oh, well, give it time. We've got to be cold White Lotus next season. You guys remember the simpler times when Saxon opened the season, wondering where and how he'd jerk off while sharing a hotel room with his brother. Turns out it's not going to be a problem, Saxon. Your brother's going to jerk you off in the cabin of a boat.

I loved when they swapped swim trucks. And it's like, what won't they share? Jesus. Well, when we see the flashback initially, it looks like he's jerking off. Yeah, some great camera angle. As Lockhe's having sex with Chloe. And I'm like, all right, that's pretty disturbing. And then 10 minutes later, nope.

Nope, he's getting some help. He sure is. Lines were crossed. I don't know. I don't know what we are recording this before we know what America's reaction. and I'm curious. What do you think America's reaction will be? I think saying lines are crossed is a safe play. I think you're going to be okay. I mean, are people going to say this is a line too far for their Sunday at HBO? I feel like people are going to, some people are going to say that,

but for the most part, I feel like people are going to be like, we love how to brave this is. Yeah. Well, I'm trying to, and I haven't watched all the HBO shows, but HBO has been in my life, my whole life. Yeah. We've been to when we had the little box in my dad's apartment in Brooklyn, Massachusetts, where you turned it on and off. I'm trying to think of the craziest, most depraved things I've seen. And the bar for me was always at Abisi, raping the mafia's son and Oz and putting his headphones on during it

because he wanted some entertainment. And I remember thinking they're never going to top this. They have topped it over and over again on HBO since. And this is now, I think, up there. I mean, girls had one, girls had the Cumpshot episode. Oh, yeah. Which I remember thinking like, oh, my God. I think that's the final.

line, but this might be... I feel like a nation raised on Game of Thrones is like ready for a lot. You know what I mean? Right. Game of Thrones, but Game of Thrones could always hide behind this is a weird crazy fantasy world. Even in a fantasy world

when Daman Targaryen has a heron hall fever dream that he's performing oral sex on his own mother, it's notable. It's notable. It's a good point. And that is what we are accustomed to seeing. on our Sunday night TV.

So this was like a yawn old hat for you. You were just like, no big deal, little brother and brother. I did feel like proud of this group of Game of Thrones viewers for clocking from minute one that we were headed to Incestown here. I mean, we weren't alone. No, we were not alone. But we were rewarded. Well, in retrospect, I don't know. Having Lockie check out his brother's ass at the end of episode one might have been a red flag.

That was Axon gets to check out his ass. The mirroring and the inversions, like right down to flipping which side they're on in the bed. And Saxon looking over at Lockhe's ass this time, it's great. The number of things that were there from the first couple episodes with the fancy cougars, how we've been trained all season long to expect that they're able to hear and see things from each other's bedrooms across that villa. So when Kate sees Valentin leaving, we're not like, oh, how convenient. We're like, yeah, we've been readying for something like that from the word go. What I loved is that when they were gossiping about her at the pool, and Jacqueline's like, I'm right here.

I can hear you. You know, like, that was great. So you, we dove into this little on episode five that you were really interested in the Locky part of this. Yeah. That this is like some weird power over his brother who's like a bully to him and just ridicules him. What's interesting is Sam Navola gave an interview where he was like, that's not what's going on. His interpretation is that Lockheed just really wanted attention to impress his brother. And all he had, like, rattling around his drug out of the brain was,

my brother said we have to get laid. My brother says we have to get laid. My brother says we have to get laid. So we'll get laid. You know, so I don't, like, there are shots in this episode, you know, where he's almost like smirking in a way that I was wondering if that's what was going on. But according to the actor, and I, you know, I guess he knows a little bit more than I do about his own character.

That is something else, that it's like attention seeking and trying to impress. And I think it's interesting that he goes off with Piper in this episode. you know. True. He's just a really good sibling. Yeah. He's just very supportive way. Ready to lend a hands.

See, this is why I don't like those interviews during the season. Oh, man. But you talk directly to the people. I try not to. After I found out about the Rockwell surprise, I was like, I don't want any more info. But I will say I do avoid those interviews because I don't want anything to prejudice how I'm feeling when I'm watching. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I interpreted it. it because if you're doing these shows correctly, it's almost like reading a book when you're sitting in college and the English majors are all giving their theories on what they saw. Stupid English majors? Yeah, that's stupid. But I think Mike White, I do think he cares about that. Like, I'm throwing this out there. I'm really interested to see how people take this and run with it once it's in the world.

I would say that in White Lotus of all shows, we still have the cover of like, whether it's the performer or the analysts or the characters themselves, so much of the core proposition is trying to interrogate your own behavior or being a friend. afraid to interrogate your own behavior. And so there's room for interpretation no matter what. I think that's true. I had that as one of the big takeaways for this episode. You know, we start with the big takeaways.

Yeah. My half-ass format. Along with everyone on the show is now lying or pretending or it's fantastic. Doing some different version of what they actually are or who they are. Even Belinda. The son, here's science. Hey, baby.

Can you give me a second? You call this. You're like how early? Okay, so she told him to come right to the hotel room. How early is too early? I have to, I have a note for the White Lotus Hotel chain. I know she told her son to come right there. However, I still think if you're bringing someone to the room you call ahead and or you knock.

You don't just one knock. One knock. They have a remarkably healthy relationship. Yeah. Full of Scarface advice. Incredible stuff. I'm just trying. Did you take some parenting notes?

Well, I was just thinking my wife and my son in the same scenario if I was dead and my wife was getting it on with some guy she met it at the weight lotus. Dare to dream. Not about the you being dead heart. My son would have been, I think, 130 times more horrified. Oh, yeah. Zion took it. Zion took it great.

They have just like a very... I mean, but he's like, no. Perhaps. I mean, he showed up from a global travel wearing Travis Scott won high mochas. Like, Zion is elite. I have no notes on Zion. I really love the head phone placement. Great stuff.

Yeah. Your worst fair is a kid. kid other than divorce? For some of us, it's just reality from day one. You can't fear the only thing you've ever happened. Your worst fear as a kid is walking in on your parents or

parent and step-parent having sex would be number one on the list. And then your worst fear as a parent is your kid's walking in on you having sex? Is that your worst fear? Is that your worst fear that they're going to go take drugs at a full moon festival like out of a boat? Maybe that too. Yeah. They end up in an episode of the

before you get a little too close. But he took that well. Anyway, everyone's lying or pretending now there's a takeaway. Yep. There's real danger in the air now. There's danger in death now. Now looming. There's people starting to seem evil or seem like, so we'll get in all that.

The show's made Buddhism seem really cool. I'm really starting to think about it. Are we missing out? That was my favorite scene of the series. Are we missing out on Buddhism? Tim and the monk. I thought that was such a good scene. That was the best scene of the episode.

We've been praising the Jason Isaac's performance. all season. Yeah. I thought he hit yet another gear in the understated longing and anguish across the scenes in this episode. It's just tremendous. So are you now, because you're intrigued by Buddhism, are you continuing to amend your initial stance on visiting China?

Thank you, Vicki. Visiting Taiwan? On visiting the White Lotus in Phuket? What do you think? Should we take a trip? I have thought more about Buddhism. And maybe getting a guru. Okay, great.

There's the accent. There it is. Listen, the drops of water, you leave, leave the ocean, your drop, and then you fall back down and you're meant to end up in the ocean again. And I was like, you know what? This is a great. Lovely. This is great. I loved that.

What was that guy's name? Beautiful. The monk. Yeah. He doesn't have a name, right? I bet Mallory wrote it down. Luong Portira. Yeah.

All right. So we'll get into that. And then last big takeaway. Carrie Coon, activated. Oh, man. We plugged her in these last two episodes. She is now fully an electric guitar and not just an acoustic guitar.

Lawyer Lori has entered the astonishing stuff from the coogs. She's blowing away the other coogers now in every scene. They're all great though. She played it. She played it coy for like, it was like a football team

just handing off and be like, we're not going to throw deep, and now she's bombing away. They had the plays drawn up. Yeah. She's like third quarter, I'm bombing away. Anything else?

Big takeaways before we get to the episode? Oh, man. I'm just really glad that Chelsea stayed safe and away from Saxon. We didn't think. And ultimately, Rick and what we saw in Rick's face last episode with Frank, probably will never be matched in the history of television. However, Chelsea listening to Chloe tell Saxon that Lockheed had jerked him off pretty close on the facial expression front. A astonishing stuff for Chelsea.

And the fact that that comes on the heels of her being like, oh, you're soulless. Yeah, that was a great scene. My guy Saxon is really going through it. I guess I'm a big takeaways front. This is another day that did not go into the night. Yeah, yeah, because we've got the mootia effect. Yeah. So like the structure of what we would expect inside of an episode of White Lotus

continues to kind of be shattered. And now I'm like, wait, give us nine, give us ten? Like, I'm not ready to only. How many days have we had? Is this like day four? I think this is day four. One, two, three, and then four and five. This is day five, right?

Yes. And we still, so tonight, which I guess will be episode seven, we've got the Moit Thai fight, the sleepover at the monastery, the party at Greg Garry's. Party of my house. The police come. I'm a super creepy, mysterious, unfriendly guy. I'm having some people over. Any interest? Fabian singing? The MOOC the Moog guy talk date, obviously Rick meeting Hollinger, like all of that is going to be contained to one evening. So is episode seven also just part of the same day? Does the shootout happen before the end of the week in the finale? Who knows? Is it a five day week? I get you per house because the travel, the length of the travel, the time at the resort is shorter. So it puts the gunfire from episode one on a Saturday then. If we're headed toward Friday, the fights, that's episode.

Yeah, yeah. Seventh. And then the last episode will be that Saturday. So it's a five-day thing. Zan just got here. I mean, it's a lot of travel for just a couple days. But Belinda is staying longer than the week. So that's good.

Yeah, that's good. We start the episode with Tim and a Duke sweatshirt, T-shirt. T-shirt? T-shirt. It was a T-shirt. How do you feel about a fake-out dream sequence? It worked. I thought it was real.

Did you think it was real? I actually thought it was real. I did not think it was real. Mostly because I had convinced myself that we were getting the meaningful Tim scene at the monastery that was going to come, and I just felt like being cheated of that would have been. Was this like a trailer studying thing by you? No.

No, but I will say, and I didn't study these trailers, but I do know that people, I think the Piper Scream was in the trailer. I think people got a little faked out by some of this stuff in the trailer. Yeah. Blue-tinged dream sequences in the trailer. Yeah. I don't mind dream sequences like this where it went out the rails was the Sopranos. When they would do entire episodes.

Joe doesn't know what I'm talking about. They'd do entire dream sequence episodes. One day. And it was like, come on, guys. It feels like we're not getting anywhere. I didn't mind it because we got then the second one later. Yeah. when Tim envisioned and daydreamed about not only killing himself,

but about killing Vicky and apologizing. And I thought in general Tim confronting, like he's been spending so much of the season thinking about his own fall. Like, I won't be able to go back to work. I won't be able to be the person I was. I'd rather die than go to jail. And to have to think about what it would be like for his family to find him, for his family to confront his death in that way,

I thought was important for the character. This is why we've been getting emails all season about the idea of like a family. family annihilator, which is a technical term of like, you know, a well-heeled businessman who loses everything and then not only kills himself, but kills his entire family because, like, he can't face the shame, but also does not want his family exposed to it either. And that's, like, a known thing. And so people have been wondering, that feels too dark. And especially since we saw Tim have this hopefully moment of enlightenment at the monastery, this is not where Tim is headed. but I think that that's why people were worried that that might be an instinct for him.

Right. Especially, yeah, when we hear Victoria. Family Annihilator? Family Annihilator. Sounds like the worst Netflix series ever. Season four of Family Anilator. We're going to Kansas City. I don't know.

I think the algorithm would love that one, honestly. I'm sure it exists on like TLC or something. I will say, I thought about this during episode five and I didn't want to voice it because I think we all like Jason Isaacs. It's like, I think they've shaded it a little too much toward this guy's life's falling apart. It's kind of like we get it. It's starting to feel a little one note to me, which is why I thought this scene with the Monk was so important because it was like, okay, now it's not just him being like, yeah. What I love. He was doing it for three episodes.

I kind of agree with you. But on the other hand, I do think that it's important for us to think about where we meet him in episode one. Yeah. Like that guy who walks into the villa, big swinging dick, and it's just sort of. of like, I did this and like, you know, in every way, right? Big swing, prosthetic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did this.

And then to get him to the monastery, I do think we need to sort of really be with him. Yeah. So we're not like, well, that was a quick, you know, complete turnaround on this character. That is the thing about the structure of these seasons. It's going to be two months for us, but it's a week for the characters. Like, it's just a week. A couple days of his life falling apart. I continue to think that the rat lifts have been the most.

most compelling end, the family set that's giving us the most notes. Other than Vicky, though that's obviously deliberate that she is like always operating in this one little frequency wave of parity. I was feeling that with Guy Talk this episode. Like no variance. And though I think that we are moving toward a impactful conclusion for him. The tension for me, And like, to go back to Tim for a second, I am going to cite an interview, but it's not hopefully too... You'll cite all the interviews you want.

That, like, Jason Isiscus was talking about the challenge of playing this character who is never talking about how he's feeling. Yeah. You know, so it's all an internal performance. And I can... I hear what you're saying about it being repetitive, but it's just sort of like, I think for people, especially people who might be second screening White Lotus,

like you really need to drive something like that where there's no conversation around what's going on. It's all internal to him. To Guy Talk, on the one hand, I agree. On the other hand, I was very tense and very worried that he was going to get caught and accused of stealing Larazepam or something like that from the villa. Still could. Still possible. Vicki's like, who took my pills?

And they see him going into the villa on that CCTV footage. It's still possible. Yeah. Be working at the snake shop. But we need him ultimately to remain free of Vicki's accusations so that he's. he can fire has gone after a monkey scares someone. We still need all that to happen. Yeah, yeah.

Perhaps because of poison fruit. Yeah. It's also in place. And toilet snakes. And Vicki thinks Tim's upset about Piper and potentially staying there for the year and just is, the all-time wife that could not read any signals whatsoever. No, Vicki. Do you think she found out of that?

Like, she's not, she seems fine without her or laurasapam. She seems the same. Well, now she's just boozing. Yeah, she's boozing. And I guess she's a little bit more alert at the monastery. She's like running a gambit on her daughter where she's like, go ahead. Let me call your bluff.

Yeah, go ahead and spend a night here. Let's see how that goes for you. I saw how they lived. It's grim. Yeah, grim. We'll take a break and then we'll talk about the cougars. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session.

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and may not be suitable for all investors. Manage your activity with our consumer protection tools. All right. The fancy cougars. Valentin leaves in the morning. Yeah. Seems like he had a great night. Sure did.

Just right at work. Since I could be a great addition to the ringer staff, guys going all night, sleeps, what, shower, sleeps for a half hour, back at work. Smile on his face. to Mallory Rubin. He can multitask, you know?

It's just unbelievable. He's a party planner. Yeah, yeah. He's a great butler. He's a great host. Great job by him. Introduce you to wonderful people. Exactly.

Anyway, stuck up Kate'sism. I love this detail. It's really early, but Kate's on the phone because of the time difference. She's like talking to her kids on the phone or something like that.

Dave, give me the latest on Trump. What's he up to? Dave. Are you soaking the beans for when I return? Well, she wasn't hung over either Because she probably had like a drink and a half She just, you know, she put those pajamas on And she was just trying really hard

To get everyone out of there So she could go to bed and then wake up early To blow up the friend green But because this is what makes the cougars so great They're best friends They've been best friends forever She can't wait to tell Lori breakfast So like it literally can't even wait

Until the food's there to give you that one I love this because they've all been gossiping about each other but like Kate has always been the one who's relished it the most. She gets his cat who at the canary sort of smile on her face every time. So she's so excited to tell Lori this. And then she's like, oh no, I just kicked something off and tries to put the cat back in the bag. But it is not. It's impossible.

It is funny. I am laughing. So you're buying that she didn't realize that Carrie Coon was going to get that upset. I didn't think she thought it would get that upset. Oh, see, I disagree. I think these three women hate each other And she couldn't wait to stick it to her with that one Because they're out the whole night

And she's watching Carrie Coon the whole night going I don't think she's going to have a threesome with these two Russian guys And then all of a sudden I don't think it didn't cross her mind that Carrie Coon might be upset I think she thought Lori would keep it to herself And not it's like the fallout that she doesn't want She doesn't want And then when she gets implicated in it

When Lori's like well Kate's the one who told me She's so upset But she's known Lori since what eighth grade she knows, like, if once you activate her, I would assume she has enough history of that character to be like, oh, she's just going to start doing this. Certainly given that one of the notes that Laurie is hitting repeatedly throughout the episode is like nobody ever changes, right?

We are always like kind of stuck as these earlier versions of ourselves when one of us was your hands and one of us was your feet, right? So I think that this every single, obviously it's like a heightened circumstance, but every single thing from all three of them that happened in this episode felt so true to friendship to me. Like, Kate is stirring the pot and then can't believe when it spills over.

Like, what happens when you soak the flame, right? She's not prepared. We all know people who do this in real life. Exactly. Like, I don't think it's necessarily like she knows. I might be that person in my family. You're a little bit of a shit story. I kind of start that with, yeah, my daughter.

Sometimes I just can't help myself. So I do think that she is leaning into the drama, but also think she probably was not counting on this level of her response. And that's her miscalculation. Laurie is like genuinely, despite saying repeatedly that she doesn't care. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah.

Of course it's an ego blow. Like we saw them at the end of the fifth episode. She's whispering into his ear. She's so upset when Valentin comes over to the table and she's just sort of like. The energy healing. Like it's better with your eyes closed. we saw that they were gravitating toward each other, and of course she resents the Jacqueline part of it,

but from the Valentin part of it, there is a blow. And then Laurie does a thing that I thought was like, I mean, I'm still team Laurie and I always will be, but again, so true to life where like, you're on her side and you know she's in the right and Jacqueline's in the wrong, but then she starts to be so mean. She starts to be so mean.

And like, that's what people do when they're hurt. Yeah. We'll talk about Jacqueline in full. But the larger note around this... Jacqueline is acting. Jacqueline is boy as is Jacqueline acting. This is now, we talked a lot last episode about desire and identity

and how they entwine. I'm sure that'll come up many times again today. This is now a three season long central preoccupation for Mike White, this idea of as Ethan called it in the Ethan Cameron plot line, memetic desire. With Olivia and Paula in season one, Paula was like, you're always going for

the guy I want. And then we saw it was true. It wasn't hearsay. It wasn't bullshit. Like Olivia tried to scoop Kai. And then when I love that you remember the character names. Well, I'll always remember Kai's name because we have a Kai. I was like, it's Sidney and that friend that stayed with them and then that hotel guy. Oh, those boss fuckers.

But like, it was made such active text with Ethan and Cameron. That was one of my favorite parts of season two. When Ethan's like, of course you want to fuck my wife, you've always wanted everything that I have because I have higher status than you. And Cameron was like, you didn't have higher status than me in college. Like you were like the original in cell. And then Ethan's like, I have. more money than you now. And Cameron is like stunned into silence. Yeah. So this is yet again another, like it's not just what do you desire on a core level. It's what do you covet that someone else has?

What do you desire taking away from them? And why? And like the answer is because that's human nature. But it's even more heightened when these people have so much already. I just find that fascinating that that recurs. Well, we we skipped over the part when Carrie Coon gets mad and says she's not changed at all. So psycho. Demented. She calls it Demented. And then she says, we talked about this last episode, it's sad. She's an aging actress. You saw her. She lives off male attention.

It's one thing when you're 25, but now she's 45. It's pathetic. It's tough. It's tough. Damn. And I would be so ready to be on Jacqueline's side, except Jacqueline is being an awful. Yeah. Yeah.

Yep. Then we cut to Jacqueline. She finally gets to hear from her younger husband. Harrison. He's so horny for her. My phone wasn't working on the set. Yeah, sure. Oh, guys.

I was in fucking plugs on the set. Like, there couldn't be, there's chargers everywhere. They're ripping charges at you. Definitely wasn't fucking somebody else and not answering your calls for two days. So horny for you. Can I, one last shout out to Valentin's acting when he comes over and Laura's being pissy? I think he's been great. And he's kind of like.

Oh, yeah. The tension. Yeah. You know how to reach me. Yeah. Like, he's just trying to be pleasant. Yeah. I need to go find Vlad.

He's always a good time. Kate being like, he's been through so much. Right. That's great. And then we get Saxon waking up hung over next to his bro. We get the flashback of Chelsea turning him down. Yeah. You must have been so happy.

I was thrilled. You were so proud of her. I was really. Have you ever been prouder of a character on White Lotus than Chelsea being like, I'm good. The bar is in hell, but no, I'm not. Saxon makes out with Chloe. Yeah. Yeah.

Then Locke is just fucking Chloe. Yeah. Going to town. And there's Saxon lying next to him jerking off. Seems fine. Seems fine. Seems okay.

Still not too scared yet. Seems not great, but it's not great, but it's, nothing crazy is happening. Wait, what? Let's interrogate that a little bit. But we knew this was, we knew we were headed at least to this spot. So if it had in fact, Justin,

it's still insanely weird. Jerking off two inches away from his brother. Still insanely weird. Seriously fucking Chloe, you'd be like, this is fine. It's not fine. Here's the, here's the cross the, line more than anything for me is the eye contact. The look.

Eye contact and touching is when it really goes. Eye contact. Sideways. The way they filmed the flashbacks was so great. But then he goes to get the coffee and he's got the great hair. A hangover acting. What happened last night? Incredible.

Impeccable. He's doing that like ginger sort of like waddling. Yeah. Like I might like shit myself at any point. You know, he's, that was amazing. And like the blocky's trunks are so tight on him. He can barely move. Yeah.

But then he has the flashback. He wasn't jerking off. His brother was jerking him off. And right on cue, Lockie's just walking up. Hey, guy, hey, what's happening? Good morning. Yeah.

You blacked out. We both did. Yeah, we both did. I don't remember what happened. Nothing happened. Yeah. And then we get evocative. Thank you, Mike White.

Oh, my God. Foamy white waves and a dead puffer fish. Dude, that was, of all of the cuts to some sort of natural element, That was really... The foamy white waves and the dead pop fair. So before we know what happens later, did you think Lockheed the whole time or that he literally didn't remember?

I believed him when he said he didn't... He was like, I don't remember what happened. Because Saxon was so palpably disturbed, and Lockhe was just sort of like, I'm like really hung over. If I wasn't sure, and if he did remember and was sort of like,

I don't remember what happened last night at all, I was prepared to be like, this is the scariest person who's ever been in a White Lotus. But when it all... comes flooding back to him later. I was like, okay, then he genuinely did. Yeah. So we find out that he generally didn't. Yeah. Because like he's like, see you later, dude. Yeah. And I'd be like, wait, what? Yeah. And then Saxon throws up, and I'd like to present a pet peeve to both of you.

So there's a lot of throw-up scenes in Prestage TV. Sure. Okay. I'm never satisfied with the amount of throwing up. Okay. I really feel like if we're going to, if we're going to do this, guys, let's have some throw-up. Okay. Do you want them to- I just feel like he's doing a full boot? Like, it's like disgusting. You want them to go CGI? with this or something. Either CGI or let's... I actually think it's... But don't you... He's just spitting up like a little baby. Yeah. I...

When you last went to the full moon party and woke up the next morning. And flashes of your prior night return to you. How many heaves were there? I think it's worse when you're throwing up and there's nothing there. Sure. Yeah. That's like, that's rock bottom. That's a toe curl.

Just you're throwing up Cheetos from four in the morning from the mini bar and all kinds of gross shit. It is disgusting. reach the bottom and it's just vile? That's the worst. Well, so we had that. Welcome back to rest of the TV fun. It's always great to be here with you guys.

Delafel. We get Belinda and Zion. Great stuff. They go to breakfast. First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman. A little scar face quote. And then Fabian tells him he's going to sing. What do we think of this?

Bobby, he's practicing his singing on his little golf cart as he's like driving around the property. And yet. What I love is he walks up. He's like, you feeling better? She's like, no. Yeah, I still think I'm going to be murdered. I love that. Fucker.

I love Fabian because he is the exact kind of character I want to root for. And then there's just this, like, nasty side to him that we saw last week. I'm like, I can't root for his little singing performance. Do you like your job and your exchange program? Don't call the police on our guess. I don't like him. You'll probably be, okay. You probably be fine.

I feel like you'll be fine. I didn't sense any sinister motives. Do you guys think that Zion has time with two episodes remaining to get laid? Because he was really lamenting that he wasn't getting in. And who's he getting laid by? They're all heading to a party. I mean, if I were Belinda, I would not go. No.

But Chloe, that would be great. She seems down. Chelsea? Not Chelsea. What was Zion? My wife and daughter are both in the Zion's gay and hasn't told his mom camp. Oh. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. Just throwing out there. Nothing. Vives only. Just vibes only. Only. Oh, man.

I mean, if Rick expects Chelsea to remain loyal, emotionally and sexually, I need him to stop telling her how fucking annoying she is. He needs to earn her love. And he also needs to stop saying love you instead of I love you. Put the eye in front of it is different. Listen, Chelsea believes in true love. Yeah. Soulmates.

Hot tooth lady is here to teach us about what really means to connect with those human. No more cheap sex. Here's the most important thing about Chelsea. She loves the Libra Rising. Great stuff. Right. You know? Great stuff.

I still don't know what it means, but I do love her commitment. Big, if we talk about most upset, if anybody in this show this season gets shot. If Chelsea dies, I'll ever recover. Chelsea is so far above everyone else in this show for I'd be upset. We have grown incredibly attached to her. She's kind of the point where I'm like, bring her back next year. Rick dies at the end of season three. Let's go.

Chelsea is the new. Chelsea has the thrifted win for some skiing. Chelsea has the through line instead of Greg Gary? Let's go. We don't deserve. I think we be so lucky. I feel like there's a lot of Chelsea dating again after Rick's tragic death. I'm ready for anything.

Assuming Rick does make it. You think Rick is going to die? I want, I'm rooting for Rick and Chelsea. I don't think it's going to go well for Rick and Chelsea are going to make it. Happily ever after. Yeah. Rick and Chelsea together.

Freed of the. But if Goggins also wants to come back next season, I would not say no. That would be great. Gary. Greg. Greg, Gary, Gary. I was excited to talk about the incest, but I'm not going to lie. the single number one

like most anticipated talking point for me today is your thoughts on this house. Oh. You love a bit of real estate in a movie or at the lap pool. This was a stash. The view from the deck. Dabins needs to come in for the final verdict

but this has to be one of the jaw-dropping houses we've had on a TV show. If they give us the kitchen. We need to have Amanda in here. The giant pool. Stunning. It's unclear how close it is. of the hotel but seems close enough

that he can just wander down and get a margarita. It sounds great. Unbelievable. They've got, the egg is waiting for you when you get out of your lap. Did you see the juice that he had? When you go on the lamb,

is this where you'll hide? It's certainly in the discussion now. I do think there would be a lot of staff at all times. I don't think it would ever be Greg Gary swimming by himself. I think there would be like five people walking around constantly

picking up like fruit that's fallen. Gardner. He doesn't know he's buttering his own toast. But then that did lead to the... He got to very, like, menacingly butter the toast so that we felt very afraid. I am terrified of him. I got to say... Really scary.

This guy is a great actor. This is, like, just a career long that guy who's bounced around, and he's, like, awesome in this. Yeah. Tremendous. He's menacing. When he says liar to her, that was harrowing. It was so scary. And also, I'm like, this guy knows.

He always knows when people are lying. He is so... scary. Yeah, it's really hard. I think a part like this where you have very little to play with. And a lot of it is vibes and intensity and being menacing or being like, what's this guy thinking? He's just really good at it. I still don't know what, like, he's going to kill Belinda and episode seven is going to try to. Like, everything's on the table. I'm going to sign another interview. I didn't realize how many I was reading that he was like, what John Grease said is that he wasn't always thinking of Greg Gary this way. But when they started filming season three, he went to Mike White and he was like, psychopath? And he's like, psychopath. And he's like, okay.

Here we go. Had he been previously thinking of him as someone who would have taken the name Mitchell instead of just Gary. Pierre. Brian, literally any other letter? Could have been anything. Well, first she tells Chelsea about the night before, which I loved. I thought that was really fun.

No, I hooked up with both of them. That was so funny. Chelsea's like, what? The little pause between no and I hooked up with both of them was just Couple telling lines here. Gary's going to dump me, comma, or worse. Yeah.

Yep. What does that mean? Well, she says, she knows that he killed his one. She knows he's like a murderer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is not the first time

that she has expressed genuine fear that he would kill her if she. Do you think it's a one murder or it's like this guy's multiple murders? Tanya or got, or had Tanya killed. But she's like,

but this is a good situation. I know I complain about. But this is a good. A good situation. I enjoyed, too, when she spotted the deck hands. It was like, I need to buy their silence. Yeah, but like, I don't think. They're going to wrap me out.

I love that. Surely they did. Well, I don't think they did. I think he just knows, but she doesn't even need to provide them. No, he had cameras somewhere. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You have as much money as Greg Gary. You're putting cameras in all the bedrooms in the yacht. Yeah, take the yacht out. On the space cat. I'll be on my little computer watching it tonight. Gross. So, um.

Oh, God. So he sees Gary. She sees. Gary's swimming. Yep. You fucked one of those brothers. Just tell me what you did. Tell me which one you fucked.

Tell me you did it. Tell me you did it to hear the shit out of me. Honestly, this is just, now you're just preaching right to mouth. This is like her kind of content right here. Tell me which one. This is like right on the affair season two. Yeah. Well, when we get the alternate perspective, you know, the exact same episode of the second time,

Can you imagine? Oh my God, what a thrill that would be. Just a lot of lap swimming. How does this invitation sound for you? Bring them over tonight. I want to have people over. I need to deal with something and I need your help. It sounds fine.

This sounds great. Is it just a movie and dinner? Couples that murder together stay together. I need you to help me murder Belinda. So that's the question, right? Is like what level of candor and transparency will he have with Chloe? If he's saying I need your help, is it just to bring people there and pretend it's like a... It feels like a...

I'm going to kill you if you don't help me kill this person. No, but how involved is she? I think it's like, it's bringing a tower. Yeah. And also like distract people. Yeah. Yeah. But not please slip this poison into someone's drink.

Tell Saxon before he comes over to grab some of the poison seed pods from his deck. Listen, poison fruit is off the board down in Vegas. Oh, I think there's time. No, I'm saying it's. Oh, because it's such a lot. Yeah. We got yet another smooth. There's like Saxon killing Locky.

That feels very likely to me. Him making him a little blender shake and not realizing the fruit was in hell. Or Kim goes for the gun, the gun is gone. So he eats some fruit. Because so many different things could still happen. The fruits in play. Well, with asking Chloe to bring Saxon. And now Saxon has invited Tim.

So it feels like Tim is maybe going to actually say to Gary, like, how do I hide? Right. I'm not seeking. I'm hiding. But do you think that's where he is after his enlightenment at the monastery? The fact that I think he had his enlightenment and then he got pulled back

under by Vicky saying I can't live that way. I can't live that way. So that's kind of the seesaw that he's on for another episode until his ultimate decision. But I wonder if he will actually actively approach Gary. The other thing is like, is part of the Saxon play here

not just I'm going to kill you because you fucked Chloe but like, I'm going to use you in some way. Like, we'll take terrible, Linda. You really want, and you were talking about this last week, you really want mastermind Greg Gary. Not blunt force, Greg Gary. You want him. He's got Zion under his control.

He's got Saxon under because that's what you want. Maybe Fabian. Fabian. Promise him a record deal. Yeah. I'll fund your first jazz album. I mean, he can get him. You can do puppet master Fabian without much effort.

But yeah, I like the idea, I think, because of like the level. of the plot to get Tanya's money of him having to work, like, harder than that now to cover his tracks. But on the other hand, that... He was just sort of like Quentin take her to the opera. That was not going to pay off. Quentin take her to the opera. I just want you both to know that I know I complain about him a lot, but this is a good situation is my worst-case scenario for my second wife. Oh.

I just said this to make Mel Matt. Now, this is where you say, you're only going to have one wife. And this is where I agree with you because I'm only... getting married once. She's forever. Whereas for my second marriage. That was bad I was on her quarter. That's my joke.

Maybe they'll say that about you, your second husband. It's entirely possible. It's entirely possible. It's a good situation. I know I complain about her a lot, but it's a good situation. We have the Ratliff boys returning home from the yacht. This was just so funny. So there's a missing scene where it's just like, what was that cab ride like?

Oh, my God. Just dead silence. and somebody put it in the head out of the window. Yeah, silent. Vicky tells the boys about Piper like they care. This was absolutely hysterical. This is incredible. I loved every second of this.

How did you feel about Piper reducing the hedge fund industry to gambling with other people's monies? That's not wasting your life. That's meaningful sarcasm. I don't think that Tim would have appreciated that if he had been in the room for it. Yeah, I do think it all led to Saxon saying, name one, Buddhism for dipshits, which just to historical. stuff yet again from our guy Saxon Rattel. I think Piper's zing was a little harder. The blender's just going

hard. The blender is just getting louder each episode. The one thing I want to say about the blender, apparently you should, the water is not potable. And so we do see him put... Oh, that's like a diarrhea machine? Yeah. So we do see him put Fiji water in the machine with his like banana

and his no free ads for Fiji water, but it's definitely Fiji water. And his protein powder. But like elsewhere, like Tim Ratteliff needs to close his mouth when he takes his outdoor showers. Like this is not potable water. Though I don't know if at the White Lotus they filter everything, even the shower water. I have no idea.

Or Tim Ratliff's like drinking the water during the showers. Like they do as much bacteria as I can get. Maybe it'll kill me. He better be the best Buddhist in China. I love that line too. Remarkable stuff from you. She was, she's really figured out the character.

It's great. It's going to be interesting to see Come Mee, time. It's a battle. Almost everyone is worthy. Because Chelsea's got to be in the mix, too. But they can put her in supporting, even though she's not. Yeah.

Because she's a younger, newer actress and you can kind of get away with that. Interesting. You could put. You talk about a word for odd. But, but, yeah. Gaggins and Isaacs are going head to head and that's tough. It's Isaacs though, isn't it? Noah Wiley.

I don't, well. From the pit. I think you're hard for it. We need to do what happens. from Severance. Wow. I don't know if Gagins is at his episode yet, and it feels like episode seven is going to be the one. I agree.

I'm waiting. Here's, I mean, I agree that Carrie Coon has been activated, but I still think we have, like, another big thing coming from Carrie Coon and another big thing coming from Walton Goggins, especially, like, the way this episode ends. The Showdown with Hollander. Yeah. I, like, have chills thinking about it. Right.

And if that goes as hard as Guggins is capable of going, then. But I still think in my... might be Noah Wiley from the pit. Guys, the pit rules. I haven't seen a second of the pit. Well, that's not true. I've seen... I saw 20 minutes of it.

120 seconds because I've seen a couple, as I've told Joanna, I've been served Instagram Reels of somebody shitting in a pan. Yeah. And somebody with like a sunken face. Are you sure there was it Megan Markle? Are you talking about the pasta? Are you auditioning for jam session right now? I was getting a bigger laugh for that one.

No, my wife and daughter have said that TikTok and Instagram Reels are now being dominated with people making fun of this Began-Marco show. Correct. That's like the biggest thing right now. Yeah. Yeah. Which then provoked my wife into watching multiple episodes of it.

How is it? And she was transfixed. No such thing is bad publicity, I guess. There you go. She said, this is a full-fledged hate watch. Don't get me wrong. I can't believe the show exists. Consumed.

She doesn't know how to do anything and just brings friends in to help her make stuff. Was the scattering report from my wife. That sounds beautiful. Everything I know about the show I learned from Amanda Dobbins. Okay. when we run out of White Lotus talk about or when people are looking for something you can either hate watch the Megan Markle show

or just love watch the pit or love watch the pit. Yeah. Well, I'm just happy for our pal Juliet. Same. She's been through so much the last 30 years with Noah Wiley. The biggest ER fan in the world.

Having the most stock in him and the most stock in ER shows in general and then just to watch him blossom like this. Rick goes to see sitala. I was working on that. You crushed it.

Actually, yeah. Miley and I were talking about this before we started recording. Yeah, let's get his take. We're a little disappointed in Rick. He did not Google one of her movies for this con. He's a bad con. He's a sloppy con job. Remember three names.

Come on. Sloppy con work. Well, she knows he's full of shit, right? I don't think so. And I guess that's part of being a good con man is picking your mark wisely. So if she is a vulnerable enough target, I mean, he gets, he makes his way into the house. So the con worked ultimately. He's going to get to face down.

Jim Hollinger, probably his father. But like, this is shoddy con work. One film title. Google it. And his face keeps giving it away. Yeah. She knows who he is and the husband's her dad, his dad, and they've been waiting for this to happen and they're ready. Citella is, she knows.

Ctollas playing chess and Rick's playing checkers. She doesn't. Just to, just a theory. I mean, I'm not, I'm not all in on. not, but she does seem to have, like, extra layers to her, you know? I think she is way too savvy and accomplished over the years

to just be completely snookered by dumbass Rick. He's like, yeah, I got a director, and I can't remember any of your movies, but you're a great actress. I think he's so full of shit. I don't know. I think even that, though, it's just on steam for the show.

It's like yet another person who's like, oh, you're telling me I'm great. You're telling me somebody else thinks I'm great. And the first time we made, her she's like, primping in a mirror. Yeah. And like, is all over Jacqueline and talking about her career as an actress. So like this is a huge vulnerability for her.

I agree. But I wouldn't, I don't know that she knows everything. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's some little spark to her. Do you know me beyond just like an easy mark? I'm prepared for this to go in any direction. Interesting. We do, we and Rick, our eyes are drawn more than once at the restaurant, billion dollar tuna business.

The seafood here is great. And heading up into the home, the Hollinger bodyguards of the original MOOC guy talk debate. They're there. Their holsters are full. They're strapped. They're strapped. Get used to it. Troubling.

It's troubling. I mean, we got to get all these guns back to the White Lotus, right? They're going to chase Rick back. Do you know who I'm actually kind of worried about for? Frank? Sweet Frank. Who's like, I'm trying to, yeah. He's like, I'm trying to.

It's one last job for Frank. not and that's never a good thing. Terrible. He's had sex with everyone in Thailand, so there's not a lot of places to go at this point. You can only go up from there. Just basically maybe work at a coffee shop. Right to the grave after that. Of all the fits on the show, I think the white suit on Goggins at the end when they're coming in on the...

Sensational stuff. And then Frank puts on his director costume, which is a ball cap. Yeah. Well, not to get ahead of ourselves because it's the end, but I really like the boat ride. The boat ride was cool where the house was. I really thought that was a fun, like, 30 seconds. Yeah, it's great.

Nice shot of the two guys together. Good wide shot. Yeah, I was thinking like, it just got my brain thinking. Like, are you living this house as the only way in and out? Boats? Mm-hmm. Like, is it like being in, I don't know. That's a good question.

Is there another way out? I was just really intrigued by it. I would have Google Earth right away if they had the address. I haven't thought about that. If he, if Rick needs to get out of their quickly. Yeah. Oh, shit. Well, I don't, this now I'm even more worried than trouble than I already was.

I like Rick telling. telling Frank, like, I won't even bring the gun then. I won't even bring the gun. And then in the in the London suit, it's very easy to spot the gun in that pocket. No shit, he's bringing the gun. Oh, Rick. We're going to talk about Bayoudism, but let's take a break. This episode is brought you by Borishead.

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Ugh This is a great scene for paper Again I was really surprised That actress had said Like a previous episode Was her favorite episode I thought this is the best Easily the best acting she did.

Yeah. Like really high level. I was impressed. I loved it. I mean, the monk was also incredible. Yeah, he was fantastic. A great scene partner for both of them. He says, bring in your parents, I can answer their questions.

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Yeah. He brings up self and identity, which of course we've been talking about since the beginning, chasing money, pleasure. Everyone runs from pain towards pleasure. When they get there, they only find more pain. You cannot outrun pain, which is just like, white-loaded. Exactly. That's the show.

I got to say, I wrote it down and I thought it was great. I was like, this is really good stuff. Who are we? Can I run the pain? Yeah. What decisions do you make in the face of that? Who are you when you try to strip away your desires? This will be certainly familiar to many people.

There are many Buddhists in the world. And then to many other people who are not, I think it will be familiar to a lot of Star Wars viewers, right? This philosophy and the way that it's made its way into the Star Wars canon. The Force is just Buddhism. Is Star Wars Beaudist? Pretty much. Yeah. There is a lot of influence there, so I think people won't.

What happens when we die? And then do a podcast about it on a rerow podcast. What happens when we die? He moved right past that. Do you want to come on House of Ar and talk about Star Wars? Can we talk about how you're just a single drop of water and you shoot up and then you come back down in the ocean? And how death is a happy return, like coming home? Did you like the visual that went with it?

I actually, I didn't want to like it. but I liked it. I liked it too. It was like almost jack handy SNL and then it like. It really? Yeah. Yeah. And then they sort of like.

That it worked. Run it back. It worked. Also the cut from like the Chelsea calling Saxon soulless right into this whole stretch at the monastery and just thinking back to. And just thinking back to Saxon as the like when Lockhe asked him earlier, what do I want? Like the pussy money, freedom, respect right into like, well, okay, what are we actually talking about here? The whole editing sequence in that stretch I thought was really wonderful. I think that's really wonderful.

the Emmy scene for Jason Isaacs too. So far. We don't know. There's two episodes left. So good. Meanwhile, Guy Tuck found the right drawer. Just 30 drawers. I actually rewound that several times to see if like the handle was like, like how did he know of that drawer? It's just his day, finally.

See and me. Same. You and me against the world, Mallory. It's like surely it was slightly a jar. Right? Yeah. And then Bickey's going nuts about Piper. Yeah.

wants her to stay there one night. It's great. She's mad at Tim. But I love this. I feel like this is where it's leading for Piper to be like, I don't want to stay here. I was going to ask you for, yeah, where are you on this after this episode? I think Vicky's going to be right. I think so.

So you're predicted in the last second to Dario, season one flip? All of them. They all just like come back, you know? I think Vicky's like, yeah, you think you're so different from us, but you like your creature comforts. You don't know. How many of you've reason wrong? Like what you were saying last week about the fact that we only have two seasons of

evidence to go off of. Right. Small sample size. Create sports theory. And that Mike White could zag and give us something completely different. Yeah. But I'm a little worried that Vicky, I feel like Vicki has to have a wit. It has to be right about something. Yeah.

And this feels like something she could be right about. She did. I mean, she still was like kind of panicked when they got back to the villa and she was talking to Tim about it. Because the way he came out and he was like, I liked him. That might have been my favorite Tim line of the season. Seemed legitimate.

But Vicki calling Piper's bluff or what she thinks is her bluff and like banking on her not truly being ready to leave like a life of luxury behind. I think it's entirely possible that she's proven right. But the thing we loved about that Piper scene, the sincerity, like, I don't know. I think that it would be really powerful if like this family that basically didn't bother. to get to know their own kid was wrong. And she, like, actually made that choice. I think the other thing that's interesting is I had a moment where I was like, is Locky going to be the one who stays?

Because he feels like he needs... There's not... Like the iPad kid? There's not enough monastery in the world. To help Rocky. I know. The flashbacks that Lockhe's going to be processing the rest of his life. I swung right back out of that because I considered it for a minute,

but then I'm like, I don't know, we think back to the corrective. posture session and he is not, abject horror on his face when he confronted what he had done. And I don't think that he has been presented to us as a character who is embracing that kind of self-assessment. Can I just say that like you're never coming back from jerking off your brother? Incess jaunt in Thailand. Well, he could hang out with Frank one night. Maybe that's Lockhe's destiny.

I just think like, yeah, forever. There's no going back. There's no going back from this. You are forever, and, like, there's so, there's such a, like, rich history of Southern Gothic literature where, you know, like Faulkner or Tennessee Williams or whatever, where there's a memory and incident, an incestuous incident in the past. And here we are, like, front road tickets to it actually happening live. But this is forever going to be part of their family. Yeah. The brothers.

One night. One night in Thailand. When Piper tells Vicky, like, you just have to accept this. it's not, and then accept it's not the worst thing in the world. It's like, well, I got news for you. Wait till she finds out that her husband has been embroiled in scandal and her sons are jerking each other off. It's actually not the worst thing in the world, Vicki.

And Cooper Flagg got hurt. And Cooper Flagg got hurt. A Duke joke. But Vicky would be celebrating that because she's Chapel Hill. Oh, that's true. You're right. She's fired up. No one told Tim.

Don't let Tim get his phone. Now. Now. It'll be the last round. By the way, I have loved these last couple episodes. it was not enough Pam. The phone made me think. Not enough Pam.

Where is Pam? Where is Pam? Yeah. I agree. Maybe it was only a three-episode contract. I'm convinced Mike White was writing at least some of these lines or scenes after they started filming because there's no way he didn't hear Parker Posey for like three episodes. And then he had to write, what's next shaving her head and banging a bongo and Times Square? He had to have been like, I got to just have or say the word bongo. So I don't know what words are left.

for us in the last two episodes, but it's going to be stuff like bongo. That was remarkable. Two, three-syllable things where she can go high, low. Less amazing on the accent front, but I don't want her thinking she'll be just fine if she's poor. She needs to fear poverty. Fear poverty. Like everyone else we know is just a remarkable line from Vicki. She says, if we lost everything, honestly, I'm not sure I'd want to live.

I don't have the will. I don't have it in me. Tim's face. Tough one. heard this. Do you watch what subtitles on? I do actually.

So you, and I know you do. I do second screening. I do the subtitles to make sure I get all this stuff. So you were both treated to as I was, as Tim is just in his haze confronting this. Vicky smelling her scent and saying, I like my sense.

Grass. Tuburals. Yeah. She needs to like live in her little shallows. And if she doesn't have her laurasia pam, at least she can have like a little scent bubble for itself. So funny. I guess I'm a little behind on the outline because we didn't talk about Saxon

hanging out with Chelsea at the pool yet. I don't understand why you wouldn't hook up with me. Incredible scene. You're soulless. Yeah. That's something you, is he in his 30s yet? I think he's on his 20s. That's something you say in your 20s and that's really the only decade you would say

that in. You have enough confidence in yourself and you've, You've been around enough women where you would just say something like that. But he looks like such a, like, so young and such a shell of himself. Yeah. When she like tears him down and like comparing that to him being the apex predator in the pool, scoping it all out and how far down he's come from there. I was really struck by his physical presentation of the whole episode,

but this pool side stretch actually in particular, like, let me be clear, sunscreen is cool, bug spray is cool. It's all good. Yeah, you should use it. But the noxious cloud. But he's like, kind of like, he's no longer Mr. Hip, Mr. Cool, Mr. I have it all together. He's like a tourist.

When he like gathers all his stuff up, and he's just like, yeah, shuffles home. He's really going through it. Finds out he's soulless. Yeah. Well, that was mean. I like Chelsea a lot, but that was too much. I think she said it kind of timely.

Yeah, she didn't say it wasn't intentionally mean. It was like, you can do better. She's like, right now you don't have a soul. Yeah, but work on it. It did make. me think on that front to like obviously it was all part of the urgent need to get the phones out of their hands but tim in episode three saying to saxon like well if we put these away we'll we'll have more to offer like let's train ourselves to have more to offer yeah and is there any hope for

saxon still on the character on an arc front that he could embrace that that he could just decide he wants to be a character who has more to offer uh in a in a show that's not white lotus sure yeah my guy Your guy, Saxon. Your destiny is your destiny on White Lotus. Chloe shows up. He knows about you. That's a starter.

Doesn't seem that mad, doesn't care, seem kind of turned on. Incredible stuff here. And then Saxon does the threesome another guy? What part was a joke? And then he finds out that she remembers.

I didn't force him to jerk you off. Tough one. Tough one. I don't remember that. I blacked out. Well, I didn't. God, I don't think there's a drug in the world

that could make me get with my My brother. Incredible Chelsea. Hey, I don't judge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whole thing's great. Everyone has their thing. It's not a thing.

It's not a thing. It's fine. Chloe, who I just found out in the last couple of hours is Simon LeBond's daughter. Oh. From Duran Duran. What? Wow. Did not know that.

Chris Ryan, A.K. CR, passed that one along to me. And apparently she does some music, too. She's got a confidence to her Of somebody that's clearly been on stage I think she's gotten really good As the season's going along So Simon LeBond's daughter Talking to Arnold Schwarzenegger's son

Great stuff Great stuff I would have loved this in the 80s After fucking Ellen Lindenbola's son Everyone has their thing It's fine It's not my thing

That was great I loved all that We get Rick and Frank meeting We get the fancies at the pool I guess is the last thing We want to talk about one person's fake is another person's good manners. That was a great line from Kate.

And it's just on with Carrie Coon and Jacqueline. Oh, man. Michelle Monaghan, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where does this go? I mean, I think they're going to the fights. Yeah. I think everyone's going, like, no,

the party in the fight. Half the people are going to Greg Garry's and half the people are going to the fight. Yeah. And I guess, yeah, I guess we have some people still at the hotel. Yeah, Guy Talks gone to the fight with MOOC. Yeah. The Russians and he'll see the robber there.

And the coogs are going. Yep. Yeah. And then the ratlifts are going to Greg Garry's party. And Belinda and Zion are going to Greg Garry's. And Rick is confronting his long lost father. Yeah. That's like a great episode.

And Fabian's going to sing. But who will be there to watch? That's what he deserves. That's what he deserves. That's what he deserves a completely empty restaurant when he's going to make his debut. Oh, that is sad. Yeah. I loved shut up.

Kate, have a drink for fuck's sake. Oh my God. Great stuff. Kate's wearing it out or welcome. I mean, they all are with each other. Well, Kate's just trying to make nice and trying to keep everything calm and smooth it over. But she's a complete phony. Yeah.

Kate told me he came out of your room this morning. We're just the same people who were in the 10th grade. This is what you always did. Can't imagine the history of these three. I believe it. I believe there's never been a guy that Lori didn't say she had a crush on that Jacquille didn't go for. Exactly. Yeah.

And then later Jackie to Kate You know how much gossip I have to deal with My own friends are talking shit about me behind my back She's literally talked the most shit This whole season of the other tip Settle down Jacqueline It's true

Yeah she did it She did that Why do you think she lied and said she didn't do it? She's so used to like acting And appearances And needing to have this perfect relationship With Harrison That's very important for her identity

And I just really wish she had has been like, I was feeling so insecure. I couldn't get a hold of Harrison. I did this thing. And oh, no, now he's called me and I feel like shit about it. But that's why these are not real friends. No. They're not having actual real conversations with one another.

No. Does Jacqueline, who needs to go to the monastery next? Oh, ma'am. I mean, I think every single character on the show would benefit from the chat that's had. That's for sure. Well, we get Lockhe and Piper meditating. Lockheer members is jerk off. Just astonishing.

Kind of talking the gun range might not have the killer instinct. And then Greg Gary rings into Belinda and invites her dinner. Do you think that and do you think the gun range, we talked about this a little bit. Yeah. But hearing the gun at the gun range, is there any way in which the gun range shooting has anything to do with the shooting in the final episode? No. Sounds different. Okay.

And then also, Tim having this very like, death is a return home. Yeah. Is there a version of the story where Tim dies? and we feel like kind of, like, he feels kind of okay with it, and we feel kind of okay about it. I don't want him to die, but if he's the character who is, like, had the lesson that death is not the end,

but a returning. So the well-organized mind, Lysias Melfoy, death is but the next great adventure. I liked your theory about... Interpol? No, that it actually, at the end, it works out and he's not broke. Yeah. I like that, too. I do like that, too.

Yeah. I'm just wondering, like... Pam shows up, gives him his phone back. Chuck has checked in. He's like, actually. Kenny, just killed himself. The case is falling apart.

I just don't know if this is like a comedy death, like the last two have been comedy deaths. I shit in your suitcase and then you stabbed me with the knife meant to cut the pineapple in the room you insisted on having. Shoot out on the yacht and then I fall off the end. Because I cannot dismount. Because I can't dismount, hit my head and drown. That is so different tonally.

Yeah. But that's the monkey. Fabian's the only one that I could, that I would like find hilarious maybe, but. Where would toxic fruit blender drink rank? I mean, it would have to be like an accident, I guess. Or ingested by the wrong person. I just think going back to the first episode when some of the clues they dropped that, when we noted all of them.

Yeah. And two thirds of them now have come to fruition. So you think it's no pun intended. It's the fruit. I'm just waiting for the fruit to make a reappearance. And the fucking blender just getting louder. The blender's getting louder and more. prominent each episode.

Yeah. I'm just focused on it. Last house, Top of the Hill, come any time. Yeah. What an invite from Greg. Seems fine.

You may remember me because I killed that lady who was going to fund your stuff. Tonight, eight o'clock, what do you think? And then... I feel like she's going to go,

but I don't know how we get her there. We get a dream sequence of Tim's murder, suicide, and then we get the Bangkok boat ride with Rick and Frank and Rick going into the house doing the Rick face.

Rick's had a couple, couple faces. We saw Skoklyn, come down to see. stairs. We heard a couple of little whispers from Scott Glenn. I'm like, all right, where's stick? Let me see Scott Quinn, though. You could just see a figure emerging from the stairs and like the look on on Rick's face. We know Rick saw him, which is what matters. But so on that Belinda, like, it's implied that she will have told Zion everything, right, between episodes, given the way that, well, yes. And Zion probably does, though. We got to go. We got to confront this guy. I'll talk to him. That's, I think Zion's going to try to be like, yeah. And especially because. When the shootout happened at the beginning of the first episode,

he was so worried about her. He clearly is going to be in possession of the facts by then. Okay. Does that take some tension on the party? Blinda's making it through the party at least. We know that. That's true. That's true.

Yeah. Is Saxon? I don't know. Is Chloe? I'm very worried about Chloe. Same. Chloe's in trouble. How many partners can Greg have killed?

Oh, the limit does not exist. Then again, how many people can be murdered at the White Lotus? I mean, do you think Tanya's fortune alone built that house? Or did he have to kill many a wife in order to get a house that big? So she had like half a billion dollars. Yeah. Yeah. So he had some money.

Well, or he was pulling his resources to mark. The Bureau of Land Management salary. Yeah, I don't know if the land management was cranking it out. Oh, man. He's also in, someone reminded me that in season two, Tanya's in like the diamond circle at the white lotus and he's he's in the diamond circle at the white lotus as well So maybe that's right on the same floor

In and Out privilege Good point. Did you want more from the Binda sex scene? I forgot to ask you. Like just the cuddling in the next morning Didn't really check a lot of boxes. Of course. These people have like they've washed each other's feet. Yeah.

They cradled each other's body. They cradled each other in a gentle pool of water. I want to see them exploring every inch of each other. I don't know that I need Zion to see that, but I don't want to see it. From a sex standpoint, I guess we had the quick... It's positively chased other than Lockie jerking off his brother. Well, and then Locky kind of pounding away, Chloe. Why is this such a prudish season?

Yeah, other than Stan Rockwell's five and a half minute, uninterrupted monologue. It's been positively tame. Did you want to see more of Jacqueline and Valentin's? We got the come hither and... Yeah, just a little slid in and then... You know, that's it. Michelle Monaghan. And then like doesn't really dabble in those waters.

And I was kind of, I was like, whoa, she's really going for it. Didn't really do it though. Just had the excited look on her face and that was about it. Two episodes left, guys. Who's going to fuck still? Productions. Yeah. Let's go.

What do you got? I think Zion will have sex, hopefully. Maybe Piper will be like this life's not for me. Zion and Piper? And then Zion and Piper can. The siblings can go back to the water habits to be like. They're both the seniors in college, right? I'll have some action.

Same age. This vacation. Predictions. Are we creeped out? I mean, like, should be mentioned, in among the brotherly hand job, there's the fact that, like, you know, Lucky is 18, but like just 18. How old is Chloe? You know, like. Well, she likes the young ones out.

She likes watching their heartbeat. Let's be honest. Chloe's not a great person. No, it's all. It's a very disturbing. And that's a fair point. Yeah. And that's all.

Can we all do one wild prediction? I think my wildest one, and I don't even think it's that wild. But I really think Saxon's going to kill Lockie with a fruit blender drink. Intentionally? Yes. I think he's going to kill his brother. He's worried that. I don't think he's going to be able to deal with this.

He's got this macho, whatever, and I just feel like he needs to eliminate him so he doesn't think about this anymore. It's only the two of them, though. Chloe dies somehow. and then if he kills the brother, then nobody will remember this happened. The Saxon trying to maybe poison Locky with the smoothie has been on my mind too. I'm worried about that.

The only thing is I thought, even though he was like, it's not a thing. It's definitely not a thing. His reaction to Chelsea and Chloe ultimately was, I thought, kind of like, tame? Well, but like... Like, he was like, oh, God.

Oh, because he wasn't doing the, like, you were worried about Saxon's rage instincts earlier. He was more like, rightfully so disturbed, scared. ashamed. Yeah. You know, so I think that could lead him to violence.

Could it be a Saxon preparing the fruit blender drink for Locky, but then someone else drinks it? That's in play too. I don't know. I just feel like they're... The blender's too prominent.

Poison fruit and the blender. So I have that one. We're going to hear from the Russians again. Okay. No question. That's another one. Okay, wait, wait. We still think Guy Toc's going to see

the robbers at the fight. I need to go back to Tim. Yeah. Yeah. Tim drinks it. Tim does get off scot-free, like, finds out from his phone that everything's fine. And then finds out one of the kids' stuff. And then drinks the poison blender anyway just by accident.

That would be great. And then he dies, but as he dies, we see the crashing waves again and it's just a drop return to the ocean. Or Vicki drinks it and it just doesn't phase her at all. She's fine. She chugs the whole thing. She's like wags with the body sushi in billions. Built up a tolerance. Sobers are up.

Yeah. So, all right, so death rankings, who would you have one? I mean, we got another bad luck comes in threes from Chelsea. All of the lingering looks on the guns on their body. They're not coming, Chelsea. I hope they're okay. Hmm. I mean, I think Chloe, we have to be concerned, right?

Though I will say, if Rick's got to die, if Rick gets shot and dies, that red suit, that white suit with the red blossom, it would be beautiful. So if Rick dies in this next episode And Chelsea loves Rick And she'll be like on a On a grief tour of White Lotuses for the next four seasons Or like trying to find out like more info And trying to blow it up basically

Greg Gary Greg Gary dies I hope so I really hope so I think Rick is going to be okay Who gets the house Chloe? It's fucking amazing We have two weeks to get there

For the finale Think about it Chloe ends up with the house. That's a good outcome. Maybe Chelsea lives there grieving dead Rick. Oh, okay. I want Rick to be okay, and I want him to embrace Amrita's lesson to him. I really, I hope that that happens.

I think our guy Gaghan signed up for one season. Please kill me at the end. Can I have a white suit on covered of blood? The old Harrison Ford. Yeah. You guys, like, I don't think we'll agree because you're more disciplined and you believe rightly the television episodes should be a certain length, and seasons should be a certain length.

The fact that we've now had a couple of the half day, you know, in tonight is separate episodes. I want the next White Lotus season to be 14 episodes. I would watch every second of it and I would do it gladly and I would love it. Yeah, we're different. I need more. Same but different. I'm following my desire to the point of pleasure and I will find pain. But I'm going to keep doing it anyway.

So do you say there was like this White Lotus four seasons collaboration? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Should we get robes? What would HBO do of Mike White's like, I've written season four. Yeah. Not doing it unless I get, we're 50-50 on all this stuff going forward because I didn't get cut in. Nobody knew this was going to be the show that kept going.

I don't have to make season four. I'm good. Once a mammaries did great, made some money. You're cutting me an hour. You're not getting season four. I'm going to hijack it from you. You tell us. What would happen?

I don't know. It depends on what the contract is because does he, own White Lotus? I don't know. Or does HBO own White Lotus? And can they make you without him?

I'm just always interested in this because like Yellowstone had they do like the steakhouse now like the 666 steakhouse is like a pop-up

steakhouse? The four-sixth. Oh, you want Four sixes? Thank you. Whatever. You want Mike to see some of that coffee mate money.

I just always wonder when a show turns into something else like this. Yeah. Do you, he still has some say and some power. In this show, I think this is.

season's been, I think, in the running for biggest audience they've had. It's like, a little power, Mike White. Pay, Mike White. How long are we going to have to wait for the next season? Oh, my God. Two years at least. They make them pretty quickly, though. We'll be dead by then.

That'll be it. We've, to be our last White Lotus season. Are we going to Greg Gary's party? God. We're just going to be underwater. The last one was 2023, right? That was the last season of White Lotus? Yeah.

Yeah, because 21. 23, 25. Yeah, yeah. Two years. Last question. Who's your MVP through six episodes? Jason Isis.

I agree. Amy Lou, a close second, I think. Jason Isaac's really your MVP? Yeah. Parker Posey also in the running. I honestly,

they've been so good. They've all been great. I think Chelsea's my MVP. Yeah, she's been amazing. And I would say for sidekick MVP is Parker Posey. Yeah. But I also think...

On the comedy front, it's obviously Parker Pose. I think what Schwarzenegger's doing with that character is really good. He's a genuinely good actor. I think he's a genuinely good actor. I think he's really good. So I was trying to think of other people, like if that had been Jake Lacey in that part, I don't know if he's able to pull it off the same way. Hungover Saxon was truly phenomenal.

Yeah. Really good stuff. Great stuff. All right. That's it. Well, Prestige TV. You're doing your deep dive with Rob. We'll be able to watch that on Ringer Dash TV, YouTube, plus as a video pod on Spotify.

Correct. And I'll see you next week, hopefully. Thanks to the crew for producing as always. White Lotus, pleasure. Delight, truly.