The Prestige TV Podcast - ‘WeCrashed’ Finale

Episode Date: April 23, 2022

Bill Simmons and Mallory Rubin recap a thrillingly entertaining season of ‘WeCrashed’. They discuss the choices in storytelling throughout the show, the portrayals of Adam and Rebekah by Anne Hathaway and Jared Leto, and give out some awards to the characters. Hosts: Bill SImmons and Mallory Rubin Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What was your final rankings now that we're done with all three? Super pumped, we crash, dropout. What do you have? So I have to follow up your question with a question and say, like, best or favorite? Because it's the old quality TV show versus, like, which I found most entertaining divide. I think the dropout was clearly the best show. I don't think that's really up for a debate.

We crashed was so entertaining that on a different kind of list, it's in the running for second or even first. But in terms of just quality shows, I would probably go dropout, super pumped, we crashed. In terms of sheer entertainment, I would probably go, oh, neck and neck, we crashed dropout at one, and then super pumped. I thought we crashed was an absolute delight.

I enjoyed the hell out of it. I'm sad. It's over. It really came down to the two stars. Oh, man. I thought both of them were just cooking with gas. It was just legendary performances from both. We could talk about Lado at a second, but in Hathaway, wow.

Alzheimer. In the running for, I don't know if you're going to say her Mount Rushmore, her best three or best four performances, I genuinely believe this was one of the best performances of her career. She did some, in the wrong hands, you wouldn't have liked this couple. You wouldn't have wanted to spend eight episodes with this couple. But they had so much fun playing the two people that I had a good time. I enjoyed the whole way. I was weirdly rooting for them, even though they were horrible people. And then you feel bad about that at the end. But just she tore to force from her.

unbelievable. When Joanna and I were breaking down the penultimate episode at the beginning of this past week, Joe asked what I wanted out of the finale. And I couldn't really come up with a precise answer. I think in part because of the glut of the cult of Founder TV right now and trying to navigate what each show is actually trying to do or say and whether that matters. But my answer was ultimately, I want an embarrassment of. riches in the I had to pause my TV to take a screenshot of something Anne Hathaway is doing moments, which I got, because that's been the entire season from, you know, the absolute top of the Pantheon moment is putting the tissue flat against her eyeballs to try the tears. But there are so many moments across the episodes, the Avatar cosplay.

In the finale, the multiple returns of the smoothie, nothing communicated. other than her sheer disgust via facial expression. Obviously in the penultimate episode, the Anne Hathaway, Jared Leto, Rebecca Adam, dual gong banging of the we work gong. Just unbelievable stuff for Manhathaway. I'm glad you brought the smoothie scene up. It's a master class.

They can teach you in acting. She's not even really talking in the scene that much, but she's in control of the surroundings, and she's just so awful. and then finally gets a smoothie at the end and she's like nodding like you've finally done it, you've created the right smoothie for me.

I loved everything about her performance. I loved the character. I thought that character seemed authentic. You know, Jared Lato's performance, it veers into like, come on, this person couldn't have been this much of a lunatic, right? Like there's, I had, it strained my credulity from time to time.

in Hathaway, I really felt like this woman's like this. You can go on YouTube in the second or last episode when they have that podcast that she did. You can go and find it. Not much different. So they found a way to have her kind of do the S&L sketch version of this lady, but also do some real acting stuff. And I think that's what made it so special.

I would assume she's going to get nominated for the performance, right? Oh, I mean. And him. Probably both of them, right? And then she has to. She was sensational. Yeah. Amanda Say, I think like the race between Amanda Seafreed, yeah, for Elizabeth Holmes in the dropout and Anne Hathaway for Rebecca Newman here is a, boy, that's a showdown for the ages.

Well, you know, when you're making these tech shows, and I know the ending already, it's really hard for me to be invested in how it's going to end. And it's like the classic, oh, the rise, here comes the fall. I thought they handled some of the corporate chicanery in this last episode really well. I also want to mention as a child of the 80s and a young, vibrant adult of the 90s to see the lead from singles and Anthony Edwards from ER, now as these old hedge phone people,

was kind of depressing for me. I don't know if it says something about the state of my life, but these are, you know, singles was this really important Gen X movie. ER was the most important drama of the 90s. Now they're just these two old people trying to thwart our two people.

But I liked all that chicanery. Got to keep benchmark capital on our TVs. You know, what a time for the benchmark capital, guys. Huge. We're here in WeWork. Of course, our shared love, Kyle Chandler, as Bill Gurley in Super Pumped. Yeah, the cast of We Crash was sensational. Putting actual, like, Oscar-winning movie stars, Joe talked about this in our last episode,

like Jared Lotto and Ann Hathaway in the show, could actually, I think, have gone quite wrong because for the first couple episodes, it's almost distracting, right? And it's not actually, oh, because I can't help but see Jared Leto. It's almost the opposite, right? He's wearing the heavy, like the contact lenses, the facial prosthetics, and of course doing the voice, Baba Ganoos! And it's such a heightened over-the-top performance, but I think ultimately it was so, and it is, you're right, in like a really kind of compelling and interesting contrast to this really muted, understated. Undersated almost feels like a word that should be outlawed from a Wee Crash podcast.

But there's something deliberately understated to the point of being overstated about the Rebecca character. These two people who, you know, this through line of the tech founder TV boom outside of even We Crash, all of these people, right? These like would be messias, these people who think they're these modern day gods inside of this tech boom. And like the rise and fall point that you made, I agree with. It's also like you have to, as a viewer in a fictionalized rendering or a dramatized rendering of these stories, you have to be able to opt into the idea that people would have followed in droves, right?

Like, how does anyone get away with something like this? And the specific nature of the something like this varies across all of the shows. Like, it's different. What the founders do, what the companies do, what they do wrong, how they fail their employees, how they fail their clients, how they fail the public. But in We crashed, this blend of true, true, true idealism, right? Like Rebecca and Adam actually deluding themselves into thinking they know a better way to lead the world, to change things like education and the fundamental aspects of society after starting a shared workspace company is like an incredible thing that happened in our very, very, very recent shared history. story is still unfolding in real time. It's amazing. The school is the best part of all of it. We grow. We grow. And then her shuttering the school down. Two of her best scenes in the whole season

were when she has to talk to large groups of people and how she reacts to them. When I was fully in on the show is when they had that retreat episode. When she had to talk to the employee. Yeah. I mean, the stuff she did in that scene and just how that scene played out with people just really upset at her and her realizing it and trying to figure out how to fix it, not having the equipment to fix it because she was kind of a moron. But then this last thing, too, with the school, I liked in general how just people just immediately mad now. It's like, hey, fuck you. You know, and what happened? Tell me what? And they're just screaming at her, and it's just zooming in on her face, realizing what a fraud she is. It's so, it's so,

essential to maintain, to have like those bursts across the season and certainly in the finale, because I think what you said earlier is really worth focusing on for a second, which is that the people who made We Crash decided to kind of go with, I don't want to say like empathetic versions or renderings of Adam and Rebecca, but like kind of, right? You are really spending most of the show exposed to their charm, right? And their mania, but like the she, with Adam's character and particular, the sheer charisma, the way that he is able to convince people that he isn't just a founder, but that he is that unicorn. I loved the moment in the finale where O.T. Fagg Ben Lay, who I thought was great as Cameron, he was in a Black Widow over in our MCU universe pretty

recently, and he's awesome. And I loved the unicorn speech, like this idea that this thing is not real and cannot be real. But then how have we wanted to? found up in this place collectively where we not only allow ourselves to believe it can be, but want that to be true, right? And it's because, like, you want to believe in something incredible. You want to see somebody achieve something that very few can. And of course, most crucially of all, you want to watch on. You want to be a part of it, right? So, like, to ultimately showcase the charm and charisma and see how they were able to get so many people to sort of bend to their will, you've got to have the moments where people and then us as viewers say,

wait a minute, you guys are like fucking assholes. Look at all these lives that you're destroying. And so like not only the, the, um, we grow school scene, which I agree was incredible, just the chorus of fuck you, Rebecca's, but something literally, like as literal as them drowning, you know, in the sea of their own hubris with the Dead Sea sequence, like, my eyes, my eyes just flopping about. It's like at some point they're going to be undone by their, you know, their, own, like, charlatan act. And they were, but of course, also then benefited incredibly from it.

And I don't think that We crashed as nearly as heavy on the social commentary as the two other shows were. But it's still, like, kind of has to be present there at the end. And I think in those respects it was. Yeah, I agree with that. The charisma piece, I thought the best piece of that was as the series went along and people start realizing this guy's full of shit. Some of the stuff Jared Letto was doing with that where it's like it's charisma, but now it's like he's a little unsure of the charisma, but he's trying to be like, oh, I got to turn on the charisma again, but now he's stumbling a little, like the way, the fundamental piece of the show is you have to believe he can seduce the Anthony Edwards character and then Masa.

And you have to believe Masa is going to be dumb enough to give this guy an incredible amount of money just because he likes being in his orbit. He likes being in his world, which I think is how. some of the great hedge fund disasters that we've had over the last 30 years have happened. It's because people with a lot of money, just like being around somebody who's got a lot of charisma or he's got some sort of hook or he's selling something and they just like the person. And they're buying the person not like the practicality of the idea. This case was so easy to look under the hood and be like, what is this?

But this was also the height of the, I'm going to spend way more money than I make because somebody is eventually going to be dumb enough to just pay for every. everything. Yeah. Yeah. So what did you think on that point of the, the Masa Adam and just Masa soft bank factor balance in the finale specifically, like given how much of the end game kind of hinged on that dynamic? Did you think enough time was devoted to that character, SoftBank as a force leading in? Because I, that was one of the things that let me down a little bit about the finale. I needed one scene with the soft bank people looking at Masa, even if they were looking at the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, article that was written about Adam, just being like, what the fuck, dude, this was your guy, this fucking maniac? What are, what the hell were you doing? What did you see? It almost seemed like that should have been like a career ender for him. Because he, he just kept the faucet going for, you know, and we saw it literally at the end of that one episode. Yeah, the beer tap. Yeah, he just keeps the beer tap on. He's like, yeah. I thought they did a good job. They didn't hit us over the head

with some of this stuff. And they tried to show us versus not having people talk about them. And not having characters spell it out with dialogue. It was a lot of, like you mentioned the smoothie scene, the beer tap. Some of it was a little over the top. But the guys who did the show were the same guys who did Focus, which is a movie I really liked that Wesley and I did on the rewatchables. Very splashy.

They always have great musical choices. It moves a certain way. Every sort of musical crew set some sort of. scene. And the show just moves, like, in a very sleek, cool, fun, entertaining way, which I think is the only way you could have told the story of these two creeps. Yeah, it has certainly the Apple TV Plus kind of sheen to it. And I've said this a few times on prestige TV pods recently, but I'm having a moment with

Apple TV, man. Me too. We're back. I love it lately. I was just sublime, one of my favorite shows in a long time. They're a handful of really excellent shows right now. And I think that sustaining the balance across eight episodes is a tall order. But broadly, I thought that this was consistently really, really, really entertaining week to week.

You would have thought seven episodes would be the ultimate destiny of this, not eight, which really isn't. They padded one fine. but this was at least a seven-episode show. And the eight, I thought everything moved pretty fast. You could have condensed some of the ones in the middle and to, but I wouldn't have wanted to because I like spending time with the characters. And that's the thing too, because like to go back to the soft bank Masa thing for a second, I do think we got the requisite moments where there's like a little bit of doubt cast.

There's the sequence in front of the plane where it's like, wait, like, this is your, this is your guy, really? And, you know, not moving forward with the arrangement and the fun. that Adam thought he was going to have to get. I watched the, just last weekend, I had not previously seen it. I watched the Hulu doc, the documentary on WeWork.

And that specific moment, SoftBank, not moving forward with that $20 billion investment, was like, all of these things, much like in the show, you know, the S-1, the Walsher Journal article,

all of these things were cited as like seminal touchstones along the road to ruin. But that specifically, that soft-bank, moment was like the turning point, at least as it was presented in the documentary, because the idea as far as I understood it, and I am not a financial expert, nor a tech expert, was everybody knows this guy has the money. And so if he's not going to put it in, then something's

wrong. And everyone else knows it now. And so I, like, on the one hand, I was glad that the show didn't lean too heavily into the actual markets and financial aspects of it. But I think we could have used just like a touch, touch, touch more of the actual mechanics. and inner workings of what changed there. Because, like, a counterpoint, I think one of the more effective techniques and mechanisms in the season was when Cameron, from Benchmark, who in theory should be an ally, right? He and his company are invested, this venture capital firm, are invested in WeWorks' continued success.

And he's the one going through every piece of paper trying to get everybody else to see that Adam is a hockster and that this entire thing is a house of cards that is definitely going to crumble. And the fact that that was like somebody inside calling that out, you know, our guy host to plain English, Derek, he's in the Hulu doc. And one of the things he says in the dock is that like a lot of people have this kind of private feeling that this was not what it seemed. But to see like the character of Cameron kind of literalized that, I thought was so crucial. Well, it's funny when, because you watch from afar and you're rooting for for things to work, right? We felt this way there was, I won't say the media enterprise, but there was a media enterprise that we were pretty suspicious of how is that going to end up being profitable. It turned out to be fine. But there was a lot of dialogue about we work. Like, how are they putting up these things so fast? How are these problems? We had a we work office. The first two years of the ringer. We also, we met with benchmark when we were deciding if we wanted funding or not for the ringer. I was thinking how funny it would have been if they had taken this huge investment early on.

And then we had their version of whoever is suddenly, you know, at all the executive editor meetings. It was like, here's Bob. He's for benchmark. He's just going to make sure everything's running smoothly. We would have been completely threatened by that guy. So the moment he shows up there in We Crash, the show goes to another level because it's kind of like,

ah, the jig's up. They're going to, this is eventually they're going to be looking under the hood and they're going to find out that it's just a bunch of like wires and spark club plugs. Right. Right. And he knows it. Adam knows it the whole time. But, and that's, I agree with you, like the, the final third of the series is really just like on another level. And in part because you would think that the response from Adam, Rebecca, everyone would be okay. Like, it's time to get serious. You know, it's it's time to clean up our act and. No, they went the other way. She was like it's time to spend more money. Here's a whiteboard with all of the new companies that we want to start so that we can fundamentally alter the very nature of existence and elevate consciousness across all realms of life. And also, let's go surfing for a month.

Right. And then we have town cars taking us everywhere. We have people making us smoothies as we wake up. They're just, they're burning money while claiming they don't care about money at all. And that funny, that was the ultimate point of this. They didn't need to bang us over the head and say it, but it was like, these people were capitalists. they played the game and they walked away with this,

or they thought they walked away with as much money as they possibly could. They didn't care about all the lives that were destroyed, the false promises, the things they built and were quickly abandoned, all the people who worked for them for super low wages because they had these options that they thought might be worth something someday. They all got cast to the side, and they're on the beach in Israel at the end, having a great time.

Yeah, I loved so much the scene and the sequences in the penultimate episode where some of the younger employees who had been there since the beginning are really thinking about what their lives are going to look like once they cash in, you know, the bag, the purchase of the bag that carries over into the finale. But it takes you back to the very beginning. I mean, I guess technically the very, very beginning is also at the end point because we have to kind of flash forward. But the beginning, the origin story of WeWork and the initial bond that Adam and Miguel formed over their respective histories in the cabots and the commune in Oregon,

this communal approach to living. And both inside of We crashed as a dramatized television show and just more broadly, the actual real-world history of WeWork and the Weak Company, there's something so fascinating about that conflict of this highly, really purely capitalist pursuit wrapped up in this idea of a new way of life. living as a community. And I thought like, I would have loved a little bit more of how Miguel felt about everything. Like, we got a couple nice moments with Miguel and Adam at the end.

But, like, Rebecca in particular, the way that her character kind of like warps, I keep saying character. I mean, these are real people. But this rendering of her as a character, the way that that idea is like warped to just say anything that we have ever felt like was inferior compared to our own notions. We can just wrap up in this idea of we and sell it to people as a commodity. Like, again, the school scene when she mentioned Bjork, I was like, I was scackling. But it's horrifying too, right? Because and again, the tonal adjacency in the show were so effective. You have her sitting in this, like,

literal dreamland that she has crafted, right? I want to build myself like a forest to sit in and tell people I know how to raise their kids. But she's talking to people who are like, well, I can't, now my kid can't go to school next year. The guy who was talking about how his kid was on scholarship, right? It's just like, fuck you. You don't actually care about any of this. You just care about whatever soundbite you're going to be able to share the next time someone asks you to be on their pod. Though, of course, we know Rebecca doesn't believe the podcast matter. Right. She believes in CNBC. Well, the funniest thing is she cares about

we grow and raising the collective consciousness of the kids and the next generation and then her own kids, every time we see the kids, she's just handing them off to her daddy. She's spending zero time with her own kids. If we're going to go quickly through some awards,

Miguel was the character. Now, he might have just been like that in real life and they wanted to not Hollywood him up. But he was the character I had the most problem with because he was in every episode. You say he was probably like the third most important character in the entire show from screen time and scenes. And I never got a feel for him the whole time. Like did he deep down know Adam was full of

shit? Did he just ride it out because he knew this was the end game for him? How did he defend Adam in the office? What was going on with him? Right. What like they almost made him and then when he sang, I don't know if that happened in actual, in real life when he sings. I can't imagine anyone. would do that. I felt like they had to have made that up, but I just, Miguel, I didn't feel like worked for me. He was probably the most disappointed character for me. What'd you think? Yeah, I, I would have liked to better understand his exact relationship to Adam and the state of the company at all times. Because I think there, there is something, you know, compelling about presenting this co-founder who basically is like cut out of his own company's legacy. You know,

there's that moment with the S-1 and the penultimate episode where he's just doing the like Control F for their names and sees how many more times Rebecca, not just Adam, but Rebecca is mentioned than he is. Like she has shoehorned herself in. And you know, she has that incredible, I am the soul of the company moment. Yeah. But that came at the expense of something, right? It came at the expense of a lot of things. And I think us understanding exactly where Miguel was at all times was one of those things. Like it's a trade I would take, I guess. I wouldn't want to lose Rebecca screen time in favor of Miguel's screen time. But, you know, eight full hours is a lot. So we could have gotten a little more. Because even at the very end, when Miguel and Adam have their

heart to heart, and he's like, you know, I love you. And it's like, oh, okay. I wasn't sure that's where we were exactly. So. Yeah, I don't know if it was the part was intentionally kind of ambiguous or the actor wasn't awesome. But he was the one actor that I felt like didn't totally capture my attention when he was on the screen. We saw. a social network, the third guy that was involved from the ground for was that guy Dustin, the programmer. And they made the decision of movie. Like, this guy's not interesting. He's just out. Every time we see him, he's over on the side working. That's it. They couldn't really do that with Miguel, especially because he was the co-CEO. So I would say most disappointed for him.

I thought best cameo, my pick would be America Ferrar and that two-episode arc that she had. I thought was great. That scene, what was her exactly? quote to Anna Hathaway at the end there? I'm going off the dome here, but from, I believe it was you have no light of your own. Right. You feed off, you feed off Adams Lake because you have no light of your own. It's one of the meanest things, meanest things anyone's ever said on a television show. Incredible scene.

That was so, so intense. Any other, any other bit people you loved? Or people that passed through this universe? Masa was like, I don't know, I guess that's what. he was like. You couldn't have a lot of fun with that part. But the guy, the guy who you mentioned at the end from, from Black Widow, I thought that guy was excellent. Yeah, he's, he's amazing. I mean, of course, we would, it would be a dereliction of duty to not shout out Dollar Bill, you know? Oh, yeah. For billions, of course. Pastor Tim, Dollar Bill. He's been everywhere recently. He's playing

Scott Galloway here, who writes the kind of takedown blog off of the S-1. And, and, and, you know, And he is just always a source of joy whenever he pops up in any show. I get so excited to see him. He was good. Love him. Who wins for you between Ann Hathaway and Jared Leto? Just in terms of the strength of the performance? Yeah, just who wins the show between those two?

I don't think it's particularly close. And I actually, I will say, somebody who recently did a quite rude Morbius podcast over on the Ringiverse. I actually really like this Jared Leto performance. I think he's quite committed. And he's going for it and it's working. I thought he was good. I thought Anne Hathaway was transcendent. The We work goal was to elevate the world's consciousness.

Anne Hathaway achieved that here. She was surreal. Totally agree. I thought she won the show. But I thought I thought Leto, Leto, Leto, Leto. Never could get that one in my head. I thought he did a good job. He battled.

And they were really good together. It actually seemed like they enjoyed their scenes together. What was your favorite musical hook song montage sequence? Oh, boy. Great question. I don't know. I don't know if I have a answer. I don't know either, but I like the music the entire time.

I like the theme song, the intro music. Me too. That's like a good needle drop. And they start with the, the unicorn ass. It's just like so thematically apt right from the jump. That might be my pick. I like that. Good year. That was good. Were you waiting at the end of this when they're on the beach in Israel for Adam to turn to the camera and go, hey Apple TV users, we've been renewed for another season. That's how the show would end it and be like just season two. They're just in Israel trying to

open a small pub. Picking up a particularly robust seashell and a, a, uh, a, uh, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a twig and banging a new gong. Take the, take the we work gong anywhere you can. I suspect that Adam Newman as a confounding real world figure will give us more material for another television show at some point. It certainly seems so. It also is unclear how much money he actually escaped from because I was reading about this and it seems like he made like $1.7 billion out of this. I don't know if SoftBank has, or SoFi Bank, whatever the hell is, as, whether they've been able to get that money back or whether it's still being a settled in court or whatever. But the amount of money that he made just because all these people stupidly let him create this

company where his wife had saved for the next CEO and he owned like 20 times their board of director votes, pretty giant mistakes. It makes you wonder, are any of these people competent? I mean, it's broadly one of the really interesting dynamics in all of it. these shows. Like, you don't, you don't actually care about the venture capitalist, but they are often positioned as the foils or the one trying to, like, take down or check the founder, which is sort of a strange thing to, like, ask the viewers to care about that. But, you know, the moment Bruce is like, just absolutely, you think, oh, well, Adam, will he be able? And again,

like, we know what actually happened here. So we're bringing to the show some via some level of Osmosis, the knowledge that, like, no, we know how this ends. But will he be able to convince him one more time? And for Bruce to just, like, make the heroic stand? It's like, wait, who's the hero of the show exactly, you know? But I think, again, that's kind of part of what's embedded into the DNA of these projects is like there are so many different power players and dynamics. And the thing that everybody is pursuing is ultimately just like the greed that drives

modern day society, right? And the fact that technology and these startup tech companies, these booms, are like the equivalent of the modern day cult or religion or just something that attracts a lot of fanaticism is just really a fascinating snapshot of how society operates. So it's weird that we got three of these at once, but I suspect it won't be the end. I mean, this is like a pretty rich bit of earth to continue to mine. Yeah, I'm sure somebody will do Napster at some point, right? Maybe they've already done it, and I just didn't see it. Super Pump is an anthology show, right? So, like, we know we're getting season two, which will be about Facebook. And I think each season is intended to focus on a different company. So we know we'll be getting more super pumped, which is exciting. And yeah, I think we'll just

continue to see television versions of stories adapted from pods about real life happenings. Well, supposedly there's a Spotify movie. It probably won't be reviewing that one. on the prestige TV podcast would be my guess. Maybe going to sit that one out. All right, Mali Rubin, what's your final grade for this show? Oh, boy. A minus? That's where I was.

I was like a legitimate A minus. Feeling good about it. I don't feel like I'm patting the grades because we're heading into the summer and I want the students to feel good. This was an A minus entertainment experience for me. I doubt they gave out letter grades that we grow. Yeah, probably not. We grow.

I think this was the best thing that I've seen on Apple TV that they made from scratch, from a TV show standpoint. I did not watch Pachshanko. I can't join you there. I can't join you there. You like Severance more than I did, though. Oh, my God. I thought severance was outstanding.

I'm going to get you, like, fully invested in the Severance High for Season 2. Yeah. Too weird. Yes. Too weird for me. Can't take it. You could hear Mallor and I were doing the rewatchables right after this on Monday. it is going to be a league of their own.

So we're about to tape that right now. Thanks to producer Craig Rolbeck for sticking it in on here. Don't forget, Sean, Fantasy, Bill Hader, break it down. Episode 1 of Barry on Sunday night. See them.