The Prestige TV Podcast - 'Yellowstone' Episodes 4-5 Recap
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It's Flyover Country with Ryan Rusillo and Chris Ryan. We're doing Yellowstone. We're doing Yellowstone,
It's four and five of season four.
We skipped one because of Thanksgiving.
Now we've got the leftover plate.
Got like a big feast for you.
Ryan, what's going on?
I'm fired up, man.
Fired up.
So are you fired up because they've just like pot committed to this Jimmy thing
where like there's a second show inside of Yellowstone
that's setting up the four-six's ranch?
Because I'm actually starting to come all the way around on this.
Yeah, because, you know, we were down on Jimmy a little bit there.
We opened up, I think, this season we go,
that slight moment you thought Jimmy might be dead.
be honest. How did you feel? And it's pretty mean. Revisiting that thought. But I love the four
sixes. I almost don't know if we should start the pod with this or end it. But when Jimmy's there
at the end, after hanging out with a couple different people, and one's Buster Welch, who's 91, he's a real
guy, is a nine-time world champ. And the Texan cowboy, I don't know what his deal is, his delivery.
The other guy's Barry Corbyn's, yeah, 81.
He's the guy sitting with Buster.
He was, he's a Texas tech guy.
He was a Marine.
He's in Northern Exposure, no country for old man, yeah.
Ghost Dad?
Yes.
He isn't Ghost Dad, for those that know.
And so that line where the other cowboy grabs Jimmy,
he's like, you're ready to work.
And then he's like, hey, do you take anything from listening to Buster and then Corbyn?
And he goes, there's three gods in Texas.
the Almighty itself, Buster Welsh, George Strait.
And you're just like, that was perfect.
It was my favorite line so far the season.
Yeah, you know, so this started out as I thought a backdoor pilot.
Like in the first episode, there's, or the first two episodes,
there's the 1883 extended sequence that is essentially like a trailer for that spinoff show.
And then there's Jimmy subplot, which is Jimmy's going to go to Texas and work on this ranch to,
I don't know, like, you know, find himself.
They're trying to inject, like actually hook them up to an IV at Texas Cowboys, is what it feels like.
Yeah.
And it's half punishment, half outward bound kind of thing.
And Taylor Sheridan, the actual, as an actor, is playing a big part in that is Travis, who's the horse trainer who's going to take Jimmy to Texas.
And you're kind of like, okay, cool, you guys are setting up this spinoff.
We'll see Jimmy in a year and a half or whenever they get this thing off the ground.
And instead, this Jimmy plotline has now taken up, I would say, as much oxygen as any other main character on the show.
where we are following him down on his journey to Texas
and we'll likely like spend time with him over the course of the season.
That's actually like, if you deprogram your brain
from like everything needs to be moving towards an endpoint
or some sort of plot resolution,
and you're just like, this is just hanging out in this universe.
I think it's actually pretty fun.
I just don't know really what it has to do
with what's going to happen on the Dutton Ranch this season.
Yeah, really good question.
Because I, as we've mentioned before,
I always love the authentic horse part of this.
The 4-6 ranch thing.
I mean, if you think about what Sheridan's doing here,
this is pretty impossible to pull off as a creator where you go,
yeah, actually my passion is,
as we saw with Travis, who's played by Taylor,
in episode four, where they show him actually doing some of the stuff with horse,
you know, again, I don't even know all the fucking terminology.
This is clearly like, imagine if Matthew Weiner was,
the biggest oil painting enthusiast.
Okay?
And then all of a sudden,
Mad Men veered off
into the world of oil painting.
Like, is this subplot
to everything else it was going on
because he was just that passionate.
Like, this is kind of crazy
that Taylor's pulling this off
and going,
beyond the Yellowstone Ranch storyline,
I'm going to sprinkle in
what is my biggest passion
and that's training horse,
cutting horses,
and this ranch that he's now,
I guess he bought, right?
Is that what you're saying?
He's the face of the influence.
investment group that bought the four sixes, yeah.
Right.
So I'm going to find a way to put all the stuff in.
But every time you would think, like, I can't imagine pitching that to the studio.
Granted, he kind of got like a blank canvas, do whatever he wanted because Paramount's like,
go ahead, just do your thing.
You've been amazing on everything else you've done.
So to force it in and then still have it work and me look forward to those scenes and like
the delivery, like when the text says the same thing about three gods and Bush Welch,
and he's saying, I hope you got a big dick.
Jimmy. And it's perfect. Yeah. I mean, these guys have done a really good job of feeling authentic and not,
hey, cameo of person that's never been on TV before. It's working. And that doesn't work very often.
Yeah. So when you're watching it and you're just like, Jesus, like this landscape is just amazing.
These characters are kind of just absolute originals. And I'm really interested in seeing this ranch.
And then you remember you're watching Yellowstone. And I think if I had like anything I would say is just that it's not even a critique as much it is just an observance.
that there is one thing that's happening on this season
that is of the utmost urgency
and that is Jamie has discovered
that his biological father is likely
I mean they're playing a little bit
like hide and seek with it but
in all likelihood Jamie's biological father
orchestrated a multi-pronged
hit attempt on all members of the Dutton
family other than Jamie
and it failed and now they're searching for this killer
and Jamie has discovered it's his biological father
and that is treated as kind of like a
we'll get to it when we get to it,
kind of plot point in the show,
while all this other stuff,
be it Jimmy's trip to Texas,
or Casey and Monica,
like looking at Montana Zillow,
or Beth driving to Salt Lake City to fire a guy,
or John getting into,
like,
kind of falling for an environmentalist.
Like,
all of this other stuff is happening.
And you're like,
yeah,
but Jamie's dad,
when Michael Corleone on all these people,
we got to,
get to this, which we don't really, until the very end of the fifth episode, do you, do you mind
that this stuff is all being kind of treated at equal, with equal frequency?
No, it's a good, it's a good question, because I hadn't really thought about that.
Like, all right, how much should we veer off into some of these other things?
Because I think a lot of us would admit, like, even with the Sopranos, you would go,
ah, Meadow episode.
Yeah.
You know, as we've mentioned before, and any of the stuff that we've done, is it
to rounded out the Tony character and you need that kind of stuff. But these these storylines are
kind of existing on their own. And even though, you know, I haven't always loved Jimmy, but I
understood what his role was to kind of balance you out in the bunkhouse with all these guys that
are like really rough around the edges guys that feel more likely to be in a in a ranch bunkhouse
for the rest of their lives. I'm good with it. Like I thought in episode four, Travis driving down
is hilarious.
Yeah.
Like he's just,
the delivery of his lines
where he's like,
hey,
you want me to drive a little bit?
And Travis is like,
$125,000 truck,
$150,000 rig,
a couple million dollars
of the horses,
I drive.
And then you're like,
okay,
he's just being a dick.
And then when he's like,
Roadhouse is the best movie ever.
Yeah.
I want to be just like Sam Elliott.
But Swayze's hair.
Where are the mullets coming back?
Yeah.
And I mean,
he knows they're kind of stupid and goofy lines,
but it's perfect because you're going,
wait,
you're riding shotgun with a guy
that's favorite movie. He thinks the greatest movie of all time is Roadhouse. So I've,
I've enjoyed that stuff, even though, you know, look, I don't think any of us would say
that Monica teaching on a college campus were our favorite scenes, because it's just not what
you're signing up for when you're watching this show. But can I ask you something, though,
about the Jamie and the father part of this, the biological father part of it? They were so obvious
in the delivery. You want to talk about a quarterback staring down as receiver in that, as we're
trying to figure it out, because at the end of season three, they take.
tease us a little bit that Jamie's involvement could be the most, you know, easy connection
of this because Rip calls Jamie and Jamie's like, I don't think you should talk to me anymore.
Right.
You're like, wait a minute.
Okay, so was Jamie actually behind this?
Then we find out that he isn't.
And then they just, they deliver that storyline to you in the previous episode being like,
it's going to be Jamie's father that honestly, Chris, it was so obvious.
I thought, wait, are we being played here again?
Because they're making it too obvious that it is his father.
Yeah.
So there's some weird TV stuff happening in this one where we never actually get a confirmative, if that's a word,
head nod from the jailhouse stoolie guy who's like, I will give you this name for immunity.
And they're like, was this my dad?
And the guy is like, but doesn't quite nod and it cuts away.
And in that scene, they're also cross-cutting to Garrett, play by Will Pack.
coming back to Jamie's new house
and being like,
there's a knock at the door,
hello,
and it's unclear as like who it is
or like whether,
like how that whole scene is taking place.
And then we get to the very end of the episode
and they're like,
do you have a secret to tell me?
And Garrett's like,
do you have a secret to tell me?
And it's like very unclear as to whether or not
is Garrett actually like,
you know,
orchestrating this whole thing where he's like found Jamie's,
the mother of Jamie's child and his son
and like kind of brought them in.
And now he's going to be like,
like, if you give me up, like, your kids are going to be in danger?
Or is he actually going to try and make a pitch for,
I try to eliminate the rest of your family so that you, your wife, your son,
or your girlfriend, your son, and me can sort of take over this area.
I don't know.
I think it's a little bit of like, I think I probably prefer it a little bit more
straightforward at this point.
Like, I would just be like, if this guy did it, like, let's just like address it head on.
But I understand the need to kind of drag it out.
it is the central mystery of the series, the season, though.
So I guess it's like they're, they've got to spin their wheels a little bit.
I don't know if you remember off the top of your head.
I hate when Simmons and I are doing NBA pods and will like throw out a random salary.
And it'll be like, is it this?
I'm like, well, look, can we just, can we look it up?
Yeah.
And on this one, I couldn't remember the last time Jamie's girlfriend was in play
in one of the storylines here.
That's right.
I mean, didn't it feel a little bit like Truman,
show where it's like, hey, Truman, it's your dad. He didn't drown. Yeah, I've forgotten that she was like,
you're, you know, I won't let you see your son until you, like, disassociate from your family.
Like, I completely forgotten Jamie's, like, the reason why Jamie's son wasn't around. I thought it was
one of those things that they kind of like yada yadaed off the show. So, yeah, I'm looking it up now.
I think the last time she was in an episode was episode nine of season two. Oh, wow. Okay.
I might be wrong. I mean, I'm just going IMDB on this one here last minute. So when she shows up, I'm like, whoa, whoa. And now we're completely derailed from getting to what we thought was going to be the bottom of, you know, sort of a mid-season reveal that that Jamie's biological father is behind this because that's what every clue is lettuce. I mean, honestly, they're telling you, they're screaming at you that this is it. And like I said before, it's almost so obvious. I wonder if they're fucking with us. But when she just rolls in and it's great, it's ready made. Like the kid is.
beyond the alien baby phase. She still looks great. He's got a place, you know, and if anything
needs welding, his dad's on the scene. So that goes from really intense to, all right, we're good
here. And I didn't think she was about that life. I really didn't. You know, she was going after him
when he was a politician. Yeah, she was like his like, worked at his office, right? Yeah, she had,
she had like hoping to be on MSNBC for some TV hit vibes in five years, not, you know, let's
make clothing on site.
We can talk about some of the other characters.
My big thing with John this season is he's obviously still recovering from his injuries,
but I thought they actually did a nice job in the opening of episode five,
and it is sort of the undercurrent.
Like, it's a question that's out there that isn't probably going to get a satisfactory answer,
but, you know, what is this house if it's not full of these kids and not full of their
drama and he's just kind of like, here I am just drinking alone at sunset,
eaten by myself, washing myself, and dragging my ass into bed.
And he's, you know, grappling with this idea that like, would you rather have like a house
that's full of people in chaos or basically be alone with Beth drinking herself to sleep
every night?
The John stuff, though, like, he was with the governor, right?
And then they broke, they eventually like broke their relationship off.
Maybe this thing with the environmentalist is just going to be reaching across the aisle so that he can just better understand the conservation movement.
I don't know if that's something Taylor is interested in in talking about.
But it seems like they're setting her up to be his love interest.
Yeah, it's definitely.
I mean, when he starts the episode, you can't wash the lonely off.
And then it's like, hey, Beth, what are you going to do over there going to a brown?
out after five or six while I try to sleep over here. All right, cool. Have fun. Yeah. And you made it
a great point. Like, what is the house? What is the ranch? If it's just him, that's not the point.
That's never been the point. I mean, that's been a constant theme throughout. And him being happy that
she's drinking over by the fireplace, even if it's weird in his bed while he goes asleep. He was just
kind of cool with it. But you're, you're right. All right. So give me your Summer Higgins breakdown.
Summer and the gang dump fake blood on themselves to protest.
basically the livestock commission building, and then they get arrested, and then John has a change.
He's like, is he eating? And he says, fuck it. And then he goes and bails are out and picks her up.
I shouldn't have pressed charges. Let's do a little summer Higgins. This is my own kind of read on this.
But seems about my age, like early 40s. I'm guessing Mount Holyoke, maybe double like environmental
affairs slash
polysy major.
Smith, maybe.
Yeah, maybe did a little bit of time on K Street
doing lobbying for Greenpeace or that kind of thing,
but then realized that the real fight was out in the streets
and has spent most of her time getting arrested
at different protests.
Bet she has parents, maybe a trust fund to give her bail money
or whatever.
But, you know, I mean, looks in, looks,
it's Piper Parabo, who's, you know,
a veteran TV actor.
she's on the big leap on Fox right now
so this is probably just a guest turn for her
on Yellowstone. But that's my read
on summer. I find
naming an environmental
protester summer a little bit
on the nose. Yeah, the naming part
of
Laramie is still my favorite name
in the entire show. Yeah.
And we have to make sure we don't forget about Lloyd's
downfall here because we're getting to get a little
Lloyd. We're getting to get a little Lloyd in there.
But yeah, let's
go full zag on
who John Dutton would want to hang out with.
I love that they wrote in where she leaves the jailhouse.
He's like, why don't you come to my ranch?
And by the way, I think Dutton dresses nicer than that guy would.
He has a constant rotation of the padded sort of quilted pattern jacket thing.
The shackets.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I, you know, it's like we've mentioned before, it's a little Logan Roy, but Montana hit.
Yeah.
And he always is dressed great.
the fixtures in the shower were terrific.
There's a lot of high-end stuff going on with both his wardrobe,
which maybe Beth just buys it for him and some of the fixtures.
I prefer that to the,
and I don't want to get in trouble here with any of the ranch hands,
but the four-sixes guys dress like Saturn car salesman.
Like the way they have like the shirts kind of tucked into the khakis.
I'm not touching that.
These are real guys.
These are real guys.
I just don't.
I understand it's like a count.
boy George straight thing to tuck the shirt in. It's just pretty funny to me. Yeah, I don't know. I think you're, I think. I'm on an
island on that one. I'm not, I'm not touching that one. So back to, back to summer. When she says,
you know, he's like, hey, when you come back to the ranch, and she's like, oh, I'm supposed to just get in a truck with a charming white male in his 50s. And I was like, there's no way that's not what that person is thinking.
And again, if I meet somebody and the first thing they ask me is, are you going to chop me up and store me in the woods? I'll be like, maybe I'll just get your phone number. We will follow up.
maybe we will hang out right now,
if that's the first question you're asking me.
We will follow up a little bit later.
So I don't know.
What do you think of the name?
I'm curious to know whether or not it's like,
that's like a change my name legally to summer at 18
or whether her real name is like Sarah,
you know,
and it was just like after a while,
she was just like to embrace my,
my Greenpeace bona fides.
I'm going to change the name.
I just think like,
Ultimately, like, Taylor can crowdsource that.
We could come up with a better.
What would be a better name than Summer Higgins for that character?
Well, Beth is already taken.
She looks like a Jenny, maybe.
Jenny?
Yeah.
Yeah, but she wouldn't stay with Jenny because she'd want to be taken more seriously later on.
Jenny with an eye with a heart dot on top of the eye.
I can only tell you as someone attempting to dabble in this world,
coming up with names on a TV show is way harder than you think it is.
Now, I know it sounds ridiculous.
You're like, what's the point?
Just look up names, look up baby names and then just pick one.
But you'll want to be a little, you don't want to just go, hey, this person's John, this person's Henry, this person's Meg, and on and on and on.
And I'll start just writing in names from people that I know just to get through the script knowing you're going to change it all later anyway, you know?
Like most of the times the pilot to whatever ends up somebody will go through it, be like, hey, let's change some of this stuff.
I remember, just as a quick aside, I've written down names of women that I spent time with.
And then if somebody who I'm talking to will be like, hey, can I read something you've written?
And then they'll see a name that register. And they'll be like, are you still talking to that person?
And I go, you know, all I was doing was trying to get through fucking 60 pages of typing.
Right.
That's it.
There was nothing else there.
It was just simply.
So if I look at one of your scripts, am I going to find like the chief bank robber, is
named Colin Coward.
Yeah, that's, that's, you know, you'd be like, oh, wow, this guy sucks.
Riscilla hated this guy.
Every time this guy says something, he sounds like an asshole.
Let's talk a little bit about Lloyd.
This is another plot line that I did not think would get so much screen time, but they're
really, they're really leaning into it.
Lloyd is kind of the Kemba Walker of the, of the Dutton Ranch, just out of the rotation.
and this is all stemming from...
Great call, by the way.
They are...
It's stemming from
this situation with Walker
where Walker had left and come back
and there was a lot of drama
about his return and Casey
sort of spares his life
and makes him cut a guy's heart out
basically to prove that he belongs
back on the ranch.
Walker and Lloyd did not get along.
And Lloyd started a fight with Walker
which is apparently the worst thing you can do
on a ranch where
mass murder occurs on a pretty regular basis.
Rip beats the shit out of him
and is now got him in the doghouse,
cleaning out stalls.
This does allow for a very heartwarming subplot
between Lloyd and Carter,
who Lloyd is showing Carter the warmth
that Rip is not.
But, yeah, this Lloyd plot line is tough, man.
It's sad watching this guy not get to break cults
and have to, like, teach saddle anatomy
to do a little kid.
Yeah, the kid was great, though.
as they were run through, I was trying to memorize all the parts of the saddle as well, and the kid was just on it. He was great. So I think they're doing it like, hey, this kid might have some cowboy in him yet. That's right. He's going to come back and Jimmy's going to be low man. And this kid's going to be ahead of him. I don't like the Lloyd storyline. It just went to chaos way too fast for me. I don't quite get it. Look, if I'm Lloyd and I'm 60 and I'm sleeping with Laramie and then Walker takes it for me, I'd be way worse than Lloyd is on the show. Okay?
way worse. And then I got to watch it. And at first, Lloyd seemed okay with it. Because remember
he was just like, whatever barrel racers, they're nuts. And this is a good run. And I'm fine with it.
And then it was like, how come he's not more mad? And now he's mad. He fought, you're right.
Like the fighting rule seems rather strict for a ranch. And then Rip has to beat the shit out of him.
And then when Lloyd, I guess they also did the other thing where Lloyd was bringing back the cattle that had pink eye and he kind of did it the wrong way by bringing him into the arena.
and then, you know, John and Rip both got pissed at him.
And Walker and the rest of the cowboys were saying, like, Lloyd, we're doing this wrong.
So they were kind of like trying to do all these like downfall Lloyd things.
Lloyd loses the locker room.
Yeah, right.
He's lost the locker room.
They've tuned him out.
They need a message.
But it's still, he's been such a positive.
He's, you know, his plus minus box score has always been in the positives for multiple seasons.
It's hard to see him like this.
and you're wondering, okay, is he going to pivot to nurturing Charlie
or is he going to burn this fucking place down?
And for the longest part, I thought it was going to be the latter.
But maybe that was just a little sampling of motivating us to understand.
Well, like, again, why is he now going to be boys with this little kid?
Well, because no one likes him right now in the bunkhouse, which is kind of bullshit anyway.
Right.
I just want to get to a point in my life.
I don't know what the scenario should be, but I honestly, sincerely want to be able to say
to a friend of mine, God damn you for making me.
do this to you.
Like maybe I'll just take
Fennessee's car one day.
And I'd be like,
God damn you for making you do this.
I think you should just do it and not
like just see what they're
because at least Lloyd understood it.
Yeah.
It would be way funnier if you just start doing it
to people around the office and no one
like, why is he doing that?
Did I break some rules?
Does Chris get my car now?
He's just really in the Yellowstone.
Anything else you wanted to hit?
I guess like the Casey Monica stuff like
Tate getting some sweat lodge action in.
he's going to go up on a hill with Mo.
I did find Monica, like, choosing this house in between the Yellowstone and Bozeman.
That's got to be, like, a, like, what, hour and a half commute for Casey?
I mean, that's not, like, super convenient.
I don't think Monica cares right now.
I think she has all the cards.
Yeah.
You know, I was glad to see Rainwater get in there with some rainwater spirituality there.
That was like, all right, okay, cool.
We're back on this.
I mean, in episode five, you could call it.
it mellowstone.
Yeah.
It was very,
yeah.
It was very much like,
all right,
we're at the midway point here.
We're going to all kind of chill out.
We're going to get Dutton the girl.
We're going to have Beth drive seven hours to fire.
Schwarzen Myers guy,
Bobby,
that poor guy.
I was kind of liked him.
I don't know.
I was never rooting against him.
I like him.
I also found it pretty funny because she's eating breakfast with John.
You figured that's probably like a little bit after dawn.
Here we go.
Constituity direct.
Just saying she's eating breakfast in Montana with John at like, let's say, 637.
Huge breakfast.
She's not eating.
She only smokes cigarettes and drinks coffee until noon.
And then she's going to drive seven hours.
It would just be really funny if she got there and they were like, yeah, we're closing up to office.
It's like 5 o'clock.
Can you come back tomorrow?
And with daylight savings, you know, the sun going down earlier.
Who knows?
Although I imagine mountain range, she's the sun a little bit longer.
Oh, yeah.
that's right. They keep the light a little bit more in the valley. Well, I mean, I guess we can wrap it up there.
We'll find out probably more in the next episode about whether or not this, this Garrett plot is for real or not. But did you have anything else you wanted to hit?
I really do think that this was all done with a lot of purpose, though. I think there was just kind of like a reseeding of these different storylines because you can't just have everybody running around killing each other all the time, right?
No.
Even though we enjoy it.
The interesting, I guess the difference this time around with this kind of resetting of the chessboard is that all the players are very physically distant.
You know, like, Beth seems to be primarily concerned with working for Jackie Weaver.
Rip is primarily concerned with bullying an old man and a child.
Casey is off the ranch.
Jamie is off the ranch.
Like all these people are off the ranch except for John, which I guess sets up his relationship with summer because he's going to have tons of privacy.
Yeah, you just said, I'm a little scared.
Because, like, what are Summers' possibilities?
I think that she'll probably be, like,
I think that she will not get along well with Beth.
I think that it'll bring up the idea of, like,
if we're all, like, away from dad, like, what does he get up to?
And maybe Summer's, like, you know what you should do is, like,
donate half your ranch to the Sierra Club or something.
And then Beth just beats the shit out of her.
That's right.
and Beth just fucking sues the Sierra Club into it.
Beth is on it, by the way,
you know, I think there,
if there's one last thing,
is that episode five was almost to come down
from Beth on 11,
so four.
Like, whatever you thought her ceiling was,
she has smashed through that.
And we are getting all-time Beth,
uh,
midpoint of this season.
It does also seem like,
I know that she almost died an explosion,
and that's probably what's impacting her mood the most.
But it does seem,
like she is most upset by like Carter's behavior at the store.
Like when she took that kid to go buy clothes.
And he was like, no, I want this shirt.
She was like, God damn you.
Now she's been on like a six-day bender because this kid wanted a fucking t-shirt at the store.
Which looked good on him.
Yeah, he has good taste.
It's fit perfectly.
All right.
I would like to issue a public apology to all cowboys at the four, six ranches.
I do not live in Los Angeles, California.
Please don't docks me and or trample me with horses.
You guys look really cool.
I'm going to start tucking my shirt in personally.
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