The Prestige TV Podcast - 'Yellowstone' Season 4 Premier With Bill Simmons, Ryen Russillo, and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: November 11, 2021

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which had a two hour and 20 minutes season prepared. It had to have been the longest of all time. It's a great show. It wasn't long enough, in my opinion. Riscilla, do you want to tell us quickly what happened last year? Previously on Yellowstone. Previously on Yellowstone, there was a lot of shooting and a lot of people who seemed like they were near death. And within about 20 minutes, we were good.

Everybody's back. Yeah. It's time for revenge. Chris, scale 1 to 10, how much did you love the premiere? So the first 12 minutes, I would put at a 43. And then if you want to like the bottom end of that would have been like the introduction of the orphan to to Beth and Ripps life. I'd probably put it like a three. I can't say that children are my main interest in Yellowstone.

Like it really is about Casey having tactical shootouts on highways. But, you know, overall you level that out. I think we re-arrive at like a seven. Riscilla? I know you guys really like heat. But I mean, it was 12 or 13 minutes. of chaos before we even got to the credits. Like at one point, I remember there was this documentary.

They did a 30 for 30 and they did it in a different style. I'm not going to name which one it was. And it was like 28 minutes into the 30 for 30. And I went, oh, this is the show. Like, oh, we're in it. Yeah. And so it was a different style. And this was a, like, just, you got to kind of throw out some of the tactical stuff

that maybe you'd wonder about where the end of season three, it was just a free-for-all. You're like, so this is just happening in a town? Like, I've been to Bozeman. Like, this is just going to happen, I guess. Like, we're just doing this. And then once you kind of remove the disbelief of like just Casey being a tactical expert and all of a sudden, I think, I don't know if I would have hung that guy at the Yellowstone. I might have wanted to get a little info out of him. But it was, it was intense.

Like, it was definitely, I need a cigarette once you got to the credits. Kathy Riley just comes out of the building, which the bomb was what, four feet away from her, six? Yeah, Kelly Riley. Yeah. Kelly Riley, sorry. Seven feet away from her. Stumbles out. Just some cuts on the back bleeding again.

Has any character ever bled more in more ways than her on this show? Probably not. No, she's like Robert Covington. She's got the permanent face mask on now. Like we can't even reconstruct that nose. Yeah, she's just bleeding. But you have that. you have Costner who takes like, I don't know,

four or five point blank shots and John Dutton in 17 minutes. He's firing the night nurse. She's out. He's ready. He's putting on the hat. You knew it was going to play out this way. It set up for what we wanted,

which was season four is, is this season three or season four? Season four. Yeah. This is about revenge. Here we go. But we don't know who we're getting revenge on. We're going to find out, Chris Ryan.

But that's the big question of this season. I would say just as like an amateur, you know, appreciator of detective fiction and just criminal, like, procedurals. The fact that they couldn't like just get an ID on any of the two dozen people

that they kill in the first 12 minutes of this movie show, and it's really down to rainwater to identify this guy by, by grabbing the blackjack guy. It's a little confusing. They seem like really, really in the dark about who ordered this,

but like they've got a lot of bodies to investigate. Well I think we could get Do you want to get into the theories? I mean you're driving this bill No you go I want you to drive it It seems like rainwater and the crew are ruled out Because of the casino scene right

Where they get the The militia guy Who's just firing away cigarettes Bad tipper and it's like oh hey by the way I ordered the hit at Yellowstone Can we get another round here Because that's always always a brilliant idea And so they leave as kind of a cliffhanger there about the information that he's going to tell Rainwater's right-hand man.

But I think what that does, it sets up that it eliminates, we're eliminating suspects here early on. And then there's also the woman that flies in, the new head of what the hell's the name of that company again? Because it's like market equities. Yeah, it's like merger company money limited. And so. Goldman and layman, yeah. That day they were just like, we're out of ideas for titles of this business. But they kind of rule themselves out because she's asking.

the other guy. And then there's a Jamie part where even when Casey and Costner are sitting there in the hot tub in the river, which is an amazing. I didn't know we had those kind of, they call it Warren Creek because it doesn't freeze over, right? Or Warm River. They just, they do a really quick job of kind of eliminating who you think it would be. And then it seems like no matter what, hey, let's go kill the militia from season two. Scene of the show is the end of,

I guess it's the first episode, even though it was a, two-parter, but Cole Hauser, who's bringing it? I mean, no surprise. No surprise he's going to bring it in the premiere. Brings the rattlesnake over. Yeah. Opens the, what was it, a knapsack?

Or like a, it was a beer cooler? Yeah. Igloo. Yeah. And he glu. And just throws a rattlesnake at him and or the rattlesnake jumps out, I guess. And that's it. Josh Hollow is off the show. Greg Maddox like control with the rattlesnake throw there.

Yeah. Yeah, Ricelo, I know you, I know you tried to figure out how this was done, whether it could be done. But realistic to you, not realistic, semi-realistic? Great way to not have any evidence against you. So I thought that that's what it was. Like, let me just throw a rattlesnake in this igloo and then I'm going to chuck it at your face. But I thought there might have been a little bit more to it because that guy's got some cachet. They're like, all right, is this guy out of here within an hour? And yeah, he is because Wade had given him up previously as to why they were messing with the Yellowstone. So that was just kind of like, hey, look, we're going to kill this guy.

I thought maybe there's going to be a chance of, like, stepping on him and I have the antidote, and I'm going to shake you down for more stuff. But they were like, no, Rip doesn't deal with antidotes. He's just a murder. He's a murder guy. And that's the thing that you always have to kind of just go like, you know, just a bunch of guys are murdering people also while they're trying to get this horse business off the ground. I texted Rusilla last night just being like, can we, can we get a loose number on how many people Casey is killed on this show? Because we're up in a serious double digits now, right?

Right. So we went through it. We got the pilot where he kills one of the guys from the reservation. He kills the meth lab guy, but he does it like as a favor, which leads to the later plot line of the gun. The two guys that are in the van guys, they're taken out. The militia, I don't know how many body counts he has. He also takes out about 10 people in this one between the shootout and then shooting the guys when they come into the, the, his office. So I think he's got to be over 15, maybe 20 for the. series. And they're like, you should be governor. I, uh, oh yeah, that's right. The guy in the truck, too. Yeah. That's right. Go ahead. I don't remember a TV show dropping the credits that late. What's the movie that they did that where they dropped the credits? We did it on the rewatch. Departed? Departed. Departed. It was like 18, 20 minutes in. All of a sudden it was the opening credits. This one was, I just thought they were going creditless. No, nope. Here we go. They do the whole thing.

I'm guessing that the Josh Holloway is being shepherded to another Sheridan show because he's got how many shows? How many spin-off shows were just in this show? There were two backdoor, I guess they used to call it backdoor pilots, but these were essentially like scenes from new spinoffs. The first was the Tim McGraw Western, which was the flashback to 1883 or whatever. And then Jimmy, who has terrible luck as a rodeo cowboy,

but is just really committed to the bit, is being shipped off to Texas. And then I think that show is called Four Sixes and it's about a horse ranch in Texas. It'll be like the direct spin off of Yellowstone. Yeah, that's true. All right. Everybody be honest now. When you thought Jimmy

was dead, were you bummed out? No, I feel like for a show this many dead bodies, I feel like we kind of need, we've lost like Danny Houston. You know, Danny Houston came back from a hanging, but we eventually lost him. I feel like this show could probably use

a couple more main character deaths. I like watching Beth a lot, but like, Beth has survived some outrageous shit on this show. She's not going anywhere. She isn't. They need the balance there. Beth is as if you were like, all right, how do we want to write this character? Like, just imagine a tiger wore human clothing. It just took meetings. Is Beth good at business? Like, how does that work? She's just like hammered, bleeding and cursing people out all the time. And people are like, God, we got to get, we got to hire Beth as soon as she's on the market. I told Chris, this is what I want him to do when we're back in the offices post when COVID slows down. Chris just shows up. He's got blood on five different spots. It seems like he's a little

drunk and he just starts insulting everybody with like these really fortune cookie type of short sayings. And people are like, wow, Chris was on one today. Yeah. I'm the bigger bear. Yeah. You just see your earlobe is like half dangling one day. Nobody knows what happened. I think that's, it could be the move for you. I have, I had, did not have her as the MVP of this episode. Who did you have for MVP, Rosilla? Well, um, boy, I mean, I want to give it to, to rip every time. I mean, I just, I want him to get it all the time. That's who I had. Um, I don't, I'm worried about this kid. Yeah, Carter. Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Okay. This is usually a death knell for shows that people like. Um, I don't,

When either somebody has a baby or there's an orphan, it is a curse, it seems like. Very rarely has a show pulled this off. I didn't go, I like Riscilla, I didn't go into season four going, you know, it'd be cool is kind of an orphan character that would bring some levity to rip and his girlfriend. But they did it.

I kind of liked the kid. I just didn't, I thought he got way too much screen time. It was Westbrook-Lakers-esque. The character's name is Carter, but the actor's name is Finn Little, which is like a, you know, child actor name generator website,

spit that name out. Like, yeah, but yeah, I just feel like, I feel the same way about Rip having a kid as I do about James Bond having a kid. It's just misunderstanding the appeal of the character.

You know, it's actually Grady Little's great grandchild? No, it's not. No. No, it's not. So my guess is,

I'm trying, you know, Ryan, you're a writer. Here we go. You're in the writer's room and they're like, how can we spruce up Rip and Beth this year? We've taken them in every direction.

What's left? We go cancer, maybe a marriage that falls through, inadvertent pregnancy they didn't expect, or an orphan. I do think they went through all the scenarios trying to figure out how to jazz them up. Yeah, I think the key thing,

they already told us. So this doesn't take any deep mind to figure out the full circle of Rip. Yeah. You know, this is a, exactly what Dutton did for Rip. Although I think murder kid Rip was cooler

than this kid was. That's the real thing. The kid needs to be cooler. I think if it was like 10 year old River Phoenix, I'm in. Yeah, this kid's just a slob with like a bad, you know, look, I know he doesn't have a lot going for him, so I don't want to be too

critical. But there was just a bunch of one 80s, you know? Like, hey, we got a kid to tune a helper. And he's like, what the fuck is this? Get this kid out of it. I'm like, this is hilarious. And then the kid immediately goes to break into a car.

And it's like, all right, now you're a pledge. You have to stay in this basement for seven days. And there's a bucket. And then it's like, all right, get out. I'm going to chuck your bag. And then it's like, hey, go get that piece of garbage out in the field. All right, you're in. Yeah.

You're hired. Oh, you showed up early. Oh, cost her election now. Oh, you're the earliest guy here. The thing I can't wait for with this kid is the first time he meets Tate. And he's like, what's the ranch like for a kid? And Tate's like, what you fucking tell you? I killed a guy.

Yeah. I just fucking shot a guy wearing a clown mask. I got abducted by white power dudes. My dad killed 20 people and he's probably going to be governor. Yeah, it's a missed opportunity because I do feel like if the kid was cool, I might have been into it. If it felt like it was like a mini Cole Houser, I would have kind of wrote it out.

We get it all. Like, all right, you're rounding out the characters in the full circle. I just don't want Rip to be stuck babysitting when he can be out killing. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Or ranching. Right.

You just, like, the character of Rip will not be helped if this guy is ever thinking twice about what he's doing. You know, if he's like, oh, I got a kid at home. Got to go be a dad. Like, you're not going to want to see that. Well, there's two ways it goes. One is, there's, they're going to have, and we haven't seen any screeners or anything. They'll have the episode where he does commit a crime or steal something or let's rip down in some way. And maybe he just disappears on that, on that day.

He's also a great kidnapping boy. Because you can't kidnap Beth. Beth is like can't be killed. She's like fucking Jason Borges. But you could kid the kid that Rips become attached to or you could even kill the kid. Like they can use him as a, well, on this show, everything. Would you be surprised that they killed a kid? No, nothing's going to surprise me anymore.

I wonder. Here's another thought. Do you think the Tate scenes were so disliked? They were like, do we pivot? Do we pivot to a different kid? We still need a kid. Because there's very little Tate.

There's very little Tate in this. I feel like we also, is this a new Tate? Because this Tate seems like he may be like, he like put, is like David Robinson coming out of the Navy. Like he put on a couple of inches. He seems like he's got a little more body mass.

Remember what David Robinson got out of that submarine and he was like seven to? Right. Well, remember Walking Dead? Who was the kid? The son? Carl. He was six inch.

Carl was six inch taller and his voice changed. It was super weird. I thought to piggyback Rosillo's point, it seemed like Bo's been really recovered from all this carnage pretty fast. Yeah, what's just doing a real estate prices? All of this would have been

the biggest thing that ever happened in pretty much any state in America, right? Yes. There's like 30 dead, buildings blowing up. They'd be talking about this on CNN for months and months. And on this show, it's like life is back to normal. What happens with,

what do we expect from John Dutton, Chris? how do you see his season four playing out he's got some bullets in him now he's got some bullets in him I think he's gonna have to deal I mean like his entire thing is just gonna be seeking out

who came after him that's what this whole season is gonna be about like I think that the show probably in some ways like as a as a coherent show maybe peaked in season two I enjoyed season three I enjoyed last night's episodes

but they're basically like now like there's a couple of characters who are invincible because they just need to stay on the show right like we talked about with Beth I think It's hard to imagine Casey going. It's hard to imagine they're going to keep Jamie around for as long as they possibly can because he's a great villain.

But Dutton's probably going to be dealing with Jackie Weaver's character, this new banker who's essentially like the more powerful version of Willow from last season. What do you think, Roussel? Yeah, you know, that and starting the horse business. Yeah, what did you guys make of the horse business stuff? All right. So everybody understands Travis's character. That's the creator of the show, Taylor Sheridan, who, you know, legendary guy who went from, like a bit actor, sons of anarchy, and then was like, whatever, this isn't working out.

I'm going to write. I don't know if it's true or not that he banged out, Sicario, Hell or Highwater, and Wind River all less than 12 months. That's the story, which is absurd because it's like, I mean, just hit after hit after hit. So he is in Hell or Highwater, I think in a scene where he rides a horse because like they didn't have the right time to shoot it. And he was like, whatever, I'll just do it. And he kills it in that little scene. I love all the technical horse stuff, which I never thought I would like. whenever they just decide, hey, we're going to show you, like, what these real guys do and it's cast by, like, real people.

And every time, again, it's Travis, who's Taylor. He's such an awesome character. So that they're going to say that Dutton is now involved with him, like the double crossing that you could go there where they're already planted seed. Like, hey, this guy is shady as it gets, even if he's the main guy and the main connect. And it's like, whatever the cost is the cost, let's go ahead and do it. I love watching all the real horse stuff that doesn't have really anything to do with the story. I don't know why I'm watching Cutting Horse. I'll rewind those scenes because I think it's so interesting.

But I love that there's going to be more Travis because I think he kills in every single scene, which is so funny because he didn't really crush it as an actor before he'd become this famous as a creator. Yeah, he was like on Sons of Anarchy and stuff like that. And like he has like bit parts in a lot of movies. But like Rissol, that same thing you're saying about him jamming out all those screenplays in 12 months. He like he was just, I read an interview with him where he was like, I would wake up at 2 p.m.

write an episode of Yellowstone and then go shoot those who wish me dead at night. You talk about Riscilla or Taylor Sheridan? Taylor Sheridan. No, I'm saying to piggyback of what Rissala is saying. I get up a little earlier. This guy basically doesn't sleep

and he just grinds out episodes of Yellowstone and features and he's got three other shows coming. If you had told me they're spinning something off from the show, I kind of enjoy where they're in the ranch, what is it called? The ranch,

Were they the bunk house? The bunk house? Yeah. I just like, anytime they're in the bunk house, I'm in, I enjoy what's on the television

whatever games they're playing. Like who had a little, who got a little sauced up last night? I felt like I could have been talked into that as a show. You got with me? No, no. I'm just so confused about the bunk house

because I feel like it's where they'll just throw in some storylines to be like, hey, you just want to throw this in there, kind of balance this thing out a little bit. And then sometimes I'm like, I love the bunk house. and other times like I feel bad for Lloyd because there's a really good chance that like 20 something

nine and a halfs aren't just throwing themselves at Lloyd at the stage of his life. Yeah. And so he gets to hang out with, um, I got to get a real name because she's maybe my favorite content creator going right now. And now she's with Walker who none of us can figure out. He just sort of lingers because he got a brand. and I don't know if Walker knows that it was Lloyd's previous hang and then they're just throwing it in Lloyd's face.

So I don't know if that means Lloyd's going to kill somebody because I would, if I were 60 and then just girl broke up with me for Walker, I would kill someone. It seems like the females that are in the bunkhouse are probably 25 to 50 percent better looking than maybe they would be in real life. You think so? Yeah, that's my expert opinion. I think those barrel girls had better off.

options in Jimmy Lloyd and then I mean, I know that guy's a good singer. I'm still really, I'm still really from Bracillo's Jimmy attack. He's, I mean, what is he good at? What is he good at? A success story though. It's a successful

character though. I don't know, man. I mean, he root for him. He's like the Rocky Balboa of the show. He's just trying to beat the odds. He's like to jar jar binks of Yellowstone. Yeah, I'm not a big Jimmy guy. And I also just like, him like nearly getting paralyzed every time

me rides rodeo. Yeah. Like Dutton doesn't have to be like you gave me your word. You can just be like, look, man, I've seen the tape. It doesn't look like it's going to work out for you on the pro level here.

I liked him until he got hurt. That's when, it's like I was genuinely bummed out when he got hurt. I really like the character as written for him. And then it's post the Jimmy recovery stuff, not as big of a fan of. Chris,

take over the podcast. What are we missing? Well, are you guys, do you guys find the banker element of this, like, threatening and all? Like, when Jackie Weaver shows up, are you like, wow, the show has a new big bad?

Or do you think that they've kind of done the banking part of this, the financial sector part of this to death? And it could use more of like a Beck Brothers type, oh, these are really scary dudes. Like in terms of the villain. I don't mind the plot. I just give me like an awesome actress that I can't believe is on the show.

That to me is just a missed opportunity. I don't know what actress that was. Jackie Weaver was in the original Animal Kingdom. She was in Silver Lion's Playbook. She's fine. No, she's fine. I want like an A-lister. Like, it's Merrill Street time.

Let's go big. Let's shoot high. Let's, Sally Field. Give me, like, I can't believe this person's in Yellowstone. Maybe it's Sarandon in there to get a little bulldoer reunion. Like, they load it up. They got me like a big ass A-lister. And I felt like Yellowstone, it's the most successful show on television, isn't it?

For cable? Yeah. Is it the biggest cable show? Like, can't they open the checkbook? Go get a shooter. go into free agency. Get me a long reliever. Get me a number one starter. I don't know why they're cutting corners. What do you think, Priscilla? Well, on the bank plot line, I'll admit I'll have moments be like, okay, we're doing another version of the development. But that's the point. That's the whole

point, the survival of the ranch in modern times. And that's, you know, it's real, it's still realistic. And I think they do a really good job with it, you know, unless you're going to say, hey, there's a virus and we're going to build a huge wall. Casey, have you built a, have you built the south border yet? You know, that doesn't make any sense. Right. You know, they've already sent up militia in and out of the place a couple different times. So I think they do a really good job of continuing something that is still repetitive, but still somewhat realistic. So I don't have a problem with that. And I think they've done a good job. Like, you know, look, the first, the first guy, the California guy that comes out, Land Rover, and he's like, I want to share this. Like, that was perfect because anybody that goes

in a Montana with some money and looks at real estate. Like in a way, they're psyched you're there paying for stuff, but at the same time, they don't want you there. Yeah. And it's, it's like a perfect. And especially now when you look at like a very realistic shift of where people are investing real estate wise in the prices in these towns, like they actually were kind of ahead of it a little bit with the way everything's blown up the last couple of years. So I'm cool with it, but I think it is a good question. But I think it's cool that they at least kept that part of it realistic instead of trying to come up with some other challenge for the ranch that wouldn't make any sense. Chris, that's where I was hoping season four was going. It was fast forward in two years.

We were in 2021, kind of COVID's starting to settle down a tiny bit. But now the Dutton's, his new rival, are all the rich people who are moving to Montana for a tax break. And that's the new threat. It's not like, we're not just running back the first three seasons. It's now like the Mark Zuckerberg types. It's like, I need to open an acupuncture. puncture studio here? It's the person who's basically running a Facebook facsimile who's like, you know what? I want to move to Montana for the tax break. I just want to buy the Dutton Ranch.

What's your price? And now that can be the new foil. Maybe that's season five. So maybe, yeah, there's just bad tweets about the ranch like on Yelp. You're like, who gave it a one five? Casey. Kill this fucking guy. Did you, what do you guys think of Jamie's dad?

He's selling it so hard. Will Patton's great. And also not pulling any punches. He's like, what happened to my mom? He's like, I killed her. You know, he's very straightforward about it. But he's very obviously manipulating Jamie, who obviously is looking to be manipulated by someone who is willing to claim him.

What do you guys think of the Jamie's dad part? I like Kevin Will Patton. I think the hat looks great on him. Certain people on the show that the cowboy hat is just adds so much. I think Cole Hauser, can pull it off hat or no hat. But no, I like the Will Patton. That's an example of a good actor who's been around a while.

Yeah. I feel like my least favorite is Jamie. Like I would have been fine with him getting blown up at the end of, I don't think West Bentley is as good of an actor as the other mainstays, in my opinion. I don't know where you guys stand on him. He's just had so many different challenges through this, you know? So I kind of hope it isn't him because it's, it's too obvious.

And they plan a seat. Like I said before, they're like, well, if you were going to do that, then why would he, why would he be doing people favors that want to come after and kill you? Yeah. I mean, this is, I like, I like Jamie the West's character, or Wes's character, Jamie, earlier when he was, he was really trying to, to be his dad's son when he, you know, still before he realized he was adopted and all the shit that he was going through. I thought that that was like his peak of this show because it was very,

it was very realistic and he was trying to like serve two things at the same time so I thought that that was really smart and so we'll see we'll see what happens

with the dad because we just haven't gotten enough of them other than he just was working in his shed and Jamie was like I'm all in

well and his scenes with Beth were really good like over the first season there was a really yeah she really brings out all the things in a Beth scene that I'm looking for

anger violence and it paid off too and then they go back and they tell us why she hates Jamie so much because of the abortion. So then you're like, that same was awesome.

They paid that off like perfectly. That's probably one of the best parts of the entire series. You can tell his show has been on for four seasons though when somebody is like, so what happened last night on like with this character on Yellowstone and your text message is like the entire iPhone screen because you're like, so Jimmy promised John that he wasn't going to ride anymore and he had already almost got paralyzed once. Then he rides again, gets paralyzed again, but he's okay, but he can't feel his fingertips. So John's going to send him to Texas for this other show. And it's the same thing with Jamie where it's like,

I feel like the Jamie explanations for why he does what he does are now like two iPhone screens of text messages. Yeah. I personally suffered because I didn't do a rewatch before I just watched the season four premiere and I wish I had. Because the last time I saw, when was the last time the show was on the air? Two years ago? No, I think it's been...

For a year and a half? It's been a while. No, there was a longer gap. At least a year and a half. It feels right. Yeah, because when I watched all of it, it was like summer of 2020 during COVID. That was when I got into it. And it was hard for me to remember some of this stuff, like to pick it up.

That's when, that's, season three ended in the end of August of 2020. So it's a little bit more than a year. Oh, man, it feels longer than that. It's been a long year. It's been a long year. You know what we didn't, no we didn't have much of, though, is the rainwater with Dutton or the rainwater with somebody else, like spoken word offs. Yeah.

Where you would be like, there'd be a spring, like a water spring somewhere. And they'd be like, our people bottled that water to take care of their own. And now you come in and bottle it and don't recycle. The cycle continues. And you're just like, fuck, whoa. That was good. I was just trying to make up some. I liked it.

No, I thought that was good. I also can't get enough of the casino. Yeah. Yeah, more casino. Because like, let's be honest, how many people are in the casino? When you talk about it's in the middle of nowhere, like, that thing is in the middle of nowhere. Where is the population possibilities for who would even be in a casino? They always make it seem like, Ozarks like this too.

It always like, this casino's hopping in it. Yeah. Is it? Are we sure? Like, I've been in casinos for the finals in Cleveland, which is, amazing. major city, it's bigger, not major, but mid-major city, it's bigger than those two places. And you go to the Cleveland Casino and there's like, you know, it's like half full. Or you go to Detroit, same thing.

No, it's a great question. Look, I've driven from Missoula up to Polson in Montana, which is a different area. And there's a couple casinos on the way to Polson, which is Flathead Lake. And I don't see anybody in there. It's dark. Yeah, because you're playing two sides, right? On the one hand, Dutton gets hurt. get duck get shot and he's an hour from the hospital.

But in the other hand, the fucking casino's hopping on Wednesday night with the guy taking credit for the Dutton family murder. I don't know. It's a slight flaw. I did like the idea, though, that the Jackie Weaver character is like, we got to basically build Monte Carlo here. Like, we got to get top of the line shows, top of the line food. Like, I'm trying to imagine, like, what performer would be like, I'm going to do a residency

in Montana for, you know, the Dutton's. Dirk's Bantley would do it. Dirk's. So the plot where the most afraid of is the orphan. I think that has real potential for damage. I'm sure they're going to bring in a couple new characters because they jettisoned a couple of the ones from last year would be my guess. And then I don't bet they're going to have to find something for Beth that's not just

She's going to take down the partner there. Yeah, it's not just tune to help her and those kind of plots and hey, what's going out with what's that kid's name what's the little kid's name Carter Carter Carter's bath tonight yeah I'll help him like I don't think we're gonna get those scenes with Beth so she's gonna need a little more maybe maybe a little cheating scene I'd like to see a little tension oh she steps out on on rip wow maybe a one nighter a little too much to drink shouldn't have done that you too many Coors no no I'd like to see rip on dating apps ripped on hinge Rissillo I haven't spent much time up up there is cores

really the beer of choice or is that like a is that like a spawn con thing no i don't i don't think it's uh i mean i look i haven't been there enough it's not like i'm working a sheetrock shift and hanging out with the locals uh although sometimes i wish i was but uh no i don't i don't think it's an exaggeration or anything like that but it's i don't i don't my time in different spots in Montana i don't i don't remember being definitively like oh this is this is a banquet beer This is course country. Although Colorado, yeah, I mean, Denver is legit, but I mean, you know, Denver's a little different than outside of Bozeman. Sure.

By the way, too, I loved when I was, when I went to Park City, I went to a spot, talk to some guy. He's like, all the guys come in here all the time because that's where it's filled around there. Yeah. And they told me a bunch of stories and I don't know if I believe any of them. So I'm not going to share them. Two more questions. Here's the first one. Boldest prediction for season four.

I'm going to go first. I don't think Jamie gets out of this season. I think that's a wrap for him. I think that we're like a Jamie endgame season. I think you're right. What's your boldest prediction, Chris? Something happens major somewhere in mid-season because I feel like you can only do the same trick so many times with

Did Everybody Live at the end of the season? I think that like we're kind of becoming a little bit numb to like, oh, these people are bulletproof. So I think if Jamie's going to go, it's going to be something like weird like in the middle of the season. What do you think, Riscilla? What's your boldest prediction? I think the Jamie one is so good.

It might not even be bold. Yeah. Just because when you just start killing people like Jamie did when you kill the reporter, like, you know, and everything else that he's done, it's, it's go time. I forgot he killed the reporter. Right. No, I mean, you know, so he still hasn't really had to pay any penance for that. Although there is a bit of a succession.

type of storyline where it's this thing that Logan still has over Kendall what happened at the wedding. And so John still knows that part of the deal with Jamie because Rip had to help him, right? Yeah, Rip helped him. My guess, my bold one

will be that Lloyd was early Bitcoin and he gets Laramie back played by Harry or excuse me, Hassy Harrison. Early Bitcoin. Well, you guys are buying cigarettes. skull long cut

I was buying all crypto I got Doge at 6K It's good to have Koster back He's fucking awesome I just so overqualified

To be on this show It's really ridiculous If you could put any other Mid-60s Not quite as famous actor on the show And I would enjoy it probably 20% less He's great in that scene

With Sheridan The horse buying scene He's so good. The rip scenes are great too. Like, you know, actually pro-orfin take is when Koster's like, hey, is this, is this going to work out? Or like, is this a mistake or whatever? And he's like, it's a maybe. All that stuff is awesome.

And when we had Kohlhauser on the pod, my podcast, and I asked him once he was named one of the People magazine, Sexiest Man Alive, I was like, do you regret getting married so soon? He was kind of like, are you an asshole? And I did ask, do you ever have those moments where it's like, man, this is Costner? I want to take, you know, we're thinking like the athlete thing, like, oh, hey, Jordan's guarding me. Not that I think I'd put Costner at Jordan level, but you understand the point. Cole was kind of dismissive at that as well, but I just want to tell that story because I think there are moments where you, Costner had a weird swing. You guys will speak to this better than I will, but, I mean, he was the go-to guy there for a long time.

and then it just kind of runs its course. It's him versus Hanks. Right. Mono on mono there for like five years. And he's like from a generation of guys who I think are probably resistant to doing TV. Like he still talks about he's just like this is this is tough for me. Like I don't really like doing television, but if it's this good, I'll do it. Well, you know, I had him on my podcast and he came in and we did it in person in the studio.

And he came on because he'd promised he'd come on because he met a couple times. And he didn't really want to. talk about Yellowstone. I don't think he knew how big it was going to become. He's like, yeah, we'll talk about that. But I think they obviously caught him a giant check and he looked at it as a chance to live out in the, you know, wherever. But I don't think he had any idea that it was going to become as big of a show.

I'm sure this show gets mentioned to him more than any movie he's done would be my guess. At this point in his life, when people come up to him, I bet it's like two-thirds yellowstone, one third just named Waterworld. Yeah. Field of Dreams, like whatever. Like, I guarantee it's mostly yellow. Yellowstone, I don't think he thought that was going to happen when he did the show. But this was, this had, I don't know what the numbers are.

And again, you guys know this stuff better than I do. But this was kind of a slow bake of awareness. It was. Yeah, it was a new platform. People knew it was out there. I think I watched the pilot and I wasn't 100% sure kind of where I was at with it. And then the more I gave it a chance, I was behind like a lot of people were.

And then I just went like, you know, Costner's out here. He's so good. It's a reminder how good he was when he was great. And it just, you know, like you guys say, have thrown 98 and guys are just watching it go by because he's just at this other level in so many scenes. Yeah, they tried to do this on HBO. Turned it, it got turned down.

Then he went to Paramount. And Paramount was like, here's the check. Just go shoot the show. No development or anything. And I think he got Costner partially because there was going to be this degree of autonomy because TV typically has a lot of, you know, development, a lot of notes, a lot of cooks in the kitchen. But yeah, I mean, like, eight million people watch the premiere. That's obscene for a cable show. That was the number? Yeah, so right. Oh, my God. Now, I will say,

like, like, almost accidentally, it's so hard to, like, to logically watch Yellowstone because it's on Paramount on cable. Oh, my God. The previous seasons are on Peacock. If you want to watch it, free streaming, it's on the Paramount app, or you can buy it on. I mean, there's like four or five different ways to watch it, but it's pretty annoying. It's not like a very seamless experience. No, no, it's not pretty annoying. It's fucking ridiculous. I was so confused. I was looking for it Paramount Plus because I missed it. I couldn't find it. And then I realized I go, wait, is it on the normal Paramount? So I had to re-download the normal Paramount, which is like a ghost ship, except for the show. And then you have to sit through the commercials. My guess is they must make

so much money from the commercials. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's two 45-minute episodes, but it was a two-hour and 20-minute premiere. I mean, maybe it was a little bit longer than 45 minutes. But you know what I mean? Like, they had a lot of ads on these. For still, for whatever Paramount Plus costs, I'm pretty sure they should give us Yellowstone on there. They made the deal before Paramount Plus, like, truly launched, where they were like, they sold it off to, it's the same thing that happened with Breaking Bad and Netflix. I've never seen a show leverage their own content during the commercials where if you kind of look up. You almost, like if you, you get an email or something, and then they go to, and you look up, and it's like, wait, is that, Jimmy? Oh, wait, is that? They do that. It's like a mind trick. And then it's like, or it's an F-150

commercial, which basically looks like Yellowstone anyway. It's like F-150. Yeah, they're driving Durhamax, actually. Oh, that's it. Did they switch? No, there's a lot of Dodges in there. What did Casey drive into that van? That's a Dodge. That's a Dodge. I'm pretty sure that's a Dodge.

I'm pretty sure. its own podcast. It's just like going frame by frame of the vans. No, it's a great point because then there's a ranch water one where Walker, who's Ryan, who's a real country singer, is drinking ranch water and you're like, wait, is this a scene? Like if you fast forward, you stop. It's actually brilliant because you're like, wait, I'm missing a scene and you're like, oh, no, Jimmy's selling work boots. That's why I was asking about the cores is because there's that scene where Dutton's just like looks like you guys could use some beers and opens the fridge and it's just like

perfectly merchandise course bottles. And I was like, A, I want a course, but B, you know. This thing is a cash cow. Last question before we go. Did this experience of watching the show make you want to watch Mayor of Kingstown more? Or were you, did you have commercial fatigue after two and a half hours? I've seen Jeremy Renner.

I'll give Renner a chance no matter what. Yeah, Kyle Chandler and Jeremy Renner. Look, to go. Taylor Sheridan, Renner, it could be a remake Up with people and I'd probably watch it. And I liked Up, but it was a cartoon, you know.

It didn't fail. I'm with you guys. It didn't phase me at all. It weirdly got me more excited. I was annoyed that they had so many of them, but at the same time, I was in every one of them. I'm less in on 1883, I think.

I'm like, I'm all, like, you can show me a billion or no Kingsdown commercials I'm watching. The Tim McGraw, Western, I'm kind of like, that might be a bridge too far for me. Priscilla, are you going to watch that one? 1883. Will they have F-150s in that or no? Probably not.

I'm trying to figure out the pricing on some of these dodges while you guys were talking. It's a tough one in Manhattan Beach. It's tough to park those things. Priscilla, does Dilfer like Yellowstone? I'm sure. I'm sure he does. I'm sure he could be an awesome extra on it. Yeah, I wanted to get a duly, but there's no way I can park it here. Do you think we can get Dofer on a Yellowstone recap episode on this feed?

That would be amazing. I think we need to get him on. Get him on the show. Right. You imagine him fighting Rip? First of all, he's way bigger than all of these guys. So he could be perfect. That is true.

He'd look good in the cowboy hat. Maybe a season five thing. I'd love to see him going up to Jamie and being like, are you a thermometer or? thermostat. Who in your family is getting the car keys if I'm tossing them to somebody? Is it you? It's somebody else.

Casey gets the car keys for sure, man. Yeah. Beth probably drunkenly grabs them and crashes it to them. All right, guys. It was great to see you. Yellowstone. Maybe we'll do this again on the prestige TV pod feed. This was produced by Arga, Kyle Creighton, and we'll see you.

Oh, Succession, you and Was. Yeah. On Friday. Pre-Cap. Yeah. You're my number one. boy, Chris. Brissillo, good to see you. Talk to you.