The Prestige TV Podcast - 'Your Friends & Neighbors' Episode 4: One Birkin Too Far

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

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Hello, welcome back to the Prestige TV. podcast feed. I'm Joyner Robinson. I'm Rob Mahoney. We're here today to talk to you about your friends and neighbors. Episode four, there's a lot going on in the prestige feed, in content in general. I don't know if you know this Rob Mahoney, but Jimmy Butler got injured. Wow. Tell me about it. I have nothing to say this. I was just like Google what happened in the NBA to explain why Rob might be busy. So Rob is got busy with NBA stuff. It's the playoffs, et cetera, et cetera. I have to to go record, I don't know, nine hours of Andor content this week. There's a lot going on, but we did want to dip in briefly to check in on your friends and

neighbors. We heard from you all via email. You could always reach us, press chtyv at Spotify.com. And we heard that you guys are, I don't know, mildly enjoying this show. Intrigued, I would say. Yeah. It seems like maybe people aren't fully on the hook, but they've seen enough to want to know what happens.

They're enjoying some of the characters. They're enjoying some of the comedy, if nothing else. I feel like people are into it. So this is going to be like kind of a mini pod from us today as we check in with this. So I'm going to hit some emails we got. And there is a big basketball email, but I'm going to save that for the end, just in case there are some folks listening to this who don't know or with love and respect, Rob care about basketball.

Fair enough. We're going to save that for the bottom. But Eric wrote in to say, to point out that John Hamm does the voiceovers for the Mercedes commercials. Sure does. Since 2010. And that is narrations on the show sound exactly like the commercials and how odd it is,

like the dissonance for Eric, that this character Coupe of John Ham's is sort of decrying exorbitant wealth with the voice of one of our most luxurious brands. Any thoughts on that, Rob? I actually think that John Ham's voice work on the Mercedes-Benz commercials is maybe even a little bit.

more in tune than what it can sometimes be on your friends and neighbors. That said, the copy on some of those, and I went back and listened, oh boy, Joe. It's real like, ask chat GPT to write Mad Men pitches kind of gobbledy gook. It's not what you want. But, you know, sometimes you have to lean into that, especially when you're talking about car sales in particular, they get really amorphous, really ambiguous. You're talking big ideas all of a sudden about being out in front, about the frontier and possibility of American life. So it is Don Draper in a way. Absolutely. Don's like, if you don't have this car, are you really alive? And that's sort of the vibe. Okay. Joseph heard in on our question, we got actually several emails about this question of Coop and

likeability or a Johnham character in likeability. And as we pointed out last week, we don't need characters to be likable to be interested in them. That's not a prerequisite for me or for Rob. But it's something that we were sort of unclear where the show was with this. Where does the writing want us to land with this character? It's kind of what we're trying to figure out. So something that Joseph wrote in about was this idea of, you know, this showrunner, Jonathan Trapper's novels and the protagonist in his novels. And he wrote to me, I don't identify with the flaws or choices of these characters, identify with their feelings, the metaphorical drowning the silent desperation.

I don't root for Coop because I want good things for him. I root for Coop because if he can figure out a way to navigate through this crap, maybe I can. Knowing that I'm not going to make half the terrible decisions he makes because I don't suck. Does that work for you, Rob, in terms of threading the needle on likeability or not? I think it's compelling to think about that. Though I will say, you know, I really, I think I. I've only identified three main storylines this week, and three is a little generous. It's

basically two storylines this week. And one of which serves to make me feel for Coupe, and the other serves to frustrate me with Coup, and maybe that's where the show wants me. I think that's pretty fair. I do think this overall framing device is a good shout out and fair as far as, like, flawed characters and what they represent in shows and what you want to see them do on screen. Like, yeah, I, if anything, I bump up against when flawed characters get too grander redemption arc, when they're almost moved too much into likability,

I don't want that sort of full swing. I want to see progress. I want to see incremental change in development. I want to see people grow over the course of a show, if that's what the show is asking them to do. But I don't want them to be someone completely unrecognizable to me in a lot of ways. And so Coop existing in this gray

area, sometimes he's an asshole, sometimes he's likable. The modulation is not always exactly where you would want it week to week. The overall zone is kind of where I'd want that character. I'm just still so unsure about where I land on him or so many of the things he says and does. Yeah, it's interesting. When he says something like, shrug, sorry about your friend to Elena, his new accomplice,

about the other maid who got fired for his crime. Because of him. Yeah. That's not, I would say that's not great. I would say shrug, sorry about your friend? Not great, but, you know. Mel saying, in 18 years of marriage, you never once asked how I was. Not great.

Not great. Not what you want to hear. Erica wrote in to say, on the casting couch for John Ham in your friends and neighbors, I feel like this part has Jason Baman written all over it. Now, Erica, I would agree with you except Ozark already exists. Yeah. We've seen it. Also, a rest of the development already exists.

Exactly. He's played this guy. But you're right in terms of, I think Baitman, is slightly calibrated better to like shrug sorry about your friend but I still kind of like you when you say it than John Hamm is if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. And then our listener Sean wrote in about we were talking about comps, other shows that this reminded us of of an earlier age of television. You brought up weeds. Sean brought up a show that I forgot existed, which is hung, the Tom Jane show, a great, great callout and California Cation.

the David Dukovny show. Californiaication, I would never forget about, always thinking about Californiacation, to be honest with you. So it's a real divorce dad canon that we're establishing. Yeah. It's it, this really does. It's funny. I was listening to NPR's pop culture, Happy Hour talk about this show. I hadn't listened to their episode about it yet. And immediately Linda Holmes identified this exactly what we were talking about, which is just, this just feels like a show of a slightly different time in the TV landscape. And not in an unpleasant way, but in a way that does feel a little bit disconnected from our present tense reality in a certain sense.

Last email before we get into sort of some of the plots of this week is our listener Bob wrote in with a basketball question, but one that I understand, so I'm going to include it at the top here, which is that wondering why Rick Fox was not hired to play the Nick character. Now, even I know who Rick Fox is. So Bob's point was that he was a real-life member. of the 2004 Olympics team, has been on the cover of magazines, you know, etc., etc. So any thoughts on the Rick Fox comp there?

Well, not to fact-check you in real time, Joe, but he was not a member of that Olympic team. You're not fact-satching me. You're a former NBA player. Oh, true, true. You're fact-checking Bob. Go for it. I apologize. Rick Fox was not on the 2004 Olympic team.

That's not a thing. Great. But Rick Fox, quite an interesting actor, I will say, when he pops up in things and has an undeniable charisma on screen. I left him in Oz a long time. ago in particular, but age-wise, I don't think is quite what they are suggesting that Nick is. So he's 50, I looked it up, he's 55 and David Tallman who plays Nick is 44. So, you know,

and then Amanda Pete is like 53. So like, they're like in the same neighborhood, but I did think about that, yeah. Yeah, I feel like part of Nick's character, especially within the country club milieu is like, this is the younger athletic, like, great point. very appealing man. And Rick Fox, don't give me wrong. Very appealing man in his own right. But you're writing something a little different at that point. All right.

So I'm going to lay out to you what I think are the three main plots of this episode. And you let me know if you disagree. Coup and Elena go into business together. Yep. Four hot, intelligent women kind of maybe sort of want to fuck Coupe to varying degrees. Who doesn't, apparently? And then last one at least, Mel is sad and still wants Coup. Happy birthday, Mel.

Well, are you not including Mel among Brackett 2? She is. But she deserves her own stuff. Yeah, yeah. Her own side story. So that's, those are my top three and then I have some like subplots. This is a very, I feel very Bill Simmons in this moment. Oh, I would say the only one you're missing there is the brief return of your favorite

character, Live Cross, and my favorite plot line, which is the potential litigation of Coop's wrongful termination. Why is any of that happening on this show now? I don't know. But we're here and we live here now. I really hate to tell you that I have that as a bullet point under four hot intelligent women. Maybe sort of want to fuck Coop to varying degrees because that, of course, includes Liv.

But yes, Corbyn-Bernson's back. We are trying to figure out all of that out. Let's talk about Coop and Elena going into business together and why I last week said I wanted this and now this week I'm not so sure. Because this has some of that class warfare stuff that I was hoping for going for. With implications, I was not. because I think a story about your rich, white, handsome neighbor is stealing from you is fun and subversive. Your Latina maid who takes baths in your bath and is buying your security codes off her Latino cousin is not.

It's not really cutting the way that I want it to cut. Am I slightly mollified by the storyline of Brad's burling firing his maid who did nothing because it was a good excuse to quote, you know, bring in some new blood? Maybe, but shrug, sorry about your friend. So all that being said, Elena is a really, is an interesting character to me. The journey that we take with her, how many buses and trains and long walks she has to take to get from her home to Nick's home, not to mention the comedy toilet montage with her is all good stuff.

And this is a good performance. Yes. It did not occur to me that someone was going to have to mop up all that blood off the basketball court, but very tough stuff. scenes for Elena overall. What do you think? I'm struggling with her a little bit. Like, I think she's a fine enough character.

Like you, I actually really think the idea of the housekeeper gossip network is such a clever concept. But yeah, juxtaposed with Coop's story, intertwining hers into his, the kind of like fast-track nature of their relationship where they go from two people who clearly know each other and have like a previous, almost like sort of quasi-professional domestic relationship to now they're just like business partners who have this repartee. And frankly, I would say my biggest complaint about Elena is that even though you're right that her circumstances present an interesting counterpoint for the show.

And the show digs into that a little bit in a way I want to talk about. The way she's written is just the way that most of the other characters on the show are written. Like her banter sounds like their banter. And so when we get into the point where everyone's voice is kind of overlapping, I lose, a character like Elena loses some of the appeal for me. I think you've really like nailed some of the appeal. something that I was bumping out without being able to identify it on the show, which is everyone does sound like each other. And it's this sort of very glib, um, talky vibe that that

sork and light or whatever you want to call it. But, but if it's everyone, then it's not anyone. Uh, so that's where I'm sitting. I don't know. Like I, I, I agree like some of the montaging with with the network her um talking about the specifics of uh this panther bracelet or that burkin bag like that is interesting to me there's just something's off about i love you identifying the fast tracking of their relationship where she is just like at home using her his face to open his phone and like door dashing supplies to fix him like it's all just sort of i don't know maybe I wanted Elena there from the beginning is the calibration of the timing of the season off for me

but something is not hitting the way that I was hoping it would hit. What else do you want to identify about Elena? Well, to her credit and to the show's credit, I think she plays a really important role functionally and in terms of the writing of the show, which is she mitigates the need for some of that voiceover, making her the guy in the chair for Coupe effectively where he can riff with her while he's going through these jobs

and sort of like troubleshoot the alarms and do all those things. That's a welcome presence on the show. I really agree. Yeah. That's a great point. And to what I was saying earlier, too, you know, we talked about last time how Coop's stakes in so many of these things are different from the other characters because of who he is and the kind of position he occupies in the world, right? The lawsuit means something different to him than it does to live. And we do get the kind of nod to the idea that if they get caught, what it means for Coop and what it means for Elena are totally different, right? Like her cousin says she's at risk of being deported if you guys get pinched on this versus, let's be honest, he's probably just going to walk.

away, Scott Ferry, even if he gets caught with, you know, a burkin in hand. A burgeon in a hand and a dog like clamped down on his leg. Like he's still going to be fine. Okay. Let's, why would the dog be so moved by tossing the burke in its way? Um, the, the dog like many people loves a fine, luxurious leather good. I don't know. Well, it is a product that you cannot ask for, that you must be invited. It's like a vampire situation. You have to be invited to accept it. And, And so the dog cannot ask for what it wants, which is the burkin. It simply must wait until a John Hamm tosses a burkin to it. Let's work a sinners mention into every single podcast we do.

Okay, listen, I was watching a sort of like cute little Apple TV. We have Olivia Munn and Amanda Pete and John Hamm here. We're going to ask them cute little questions video. And one question was, what would you steal from the set if you could steal anything? And Amanda Pete was like, a burken bag? And I was like, really, Annette Pete? Like, you don't have a workin bag or, you know, whatever? And then John, and then it cut to John Ham saying nothing, like cutting the person off saying nothing.

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All right, yeah. Okay, so let's talk about the Mel Tini party. This is the part of the show that has the best chance of, catching my love and affection and attention, which is this is my very, one of my very favorite genres, which is something called the comedy plot of remarriage or the tragedy plot of remarriage, if you want. And this is something that is usually used to talk about a certain kind of screwball comedy. So like the Philadelphia story, his Girl Friday, but you can apply it to like his eternal sunshine and spotless mind, the parent trap, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Shakespeare,

much to do about nothing. It's when it comes. couple who were together, come back together, and reunite. And there's this sense of they belong together. There is belonging there. There is yearning there. And there is this sense, you know, that phrase, like, you can't make new old friends. You can't make new old first wives. You know what I mean? Like, there's just this. They do say that. They do say, you can put on a pillow. there's something like quite beautiful about the Coop and Mel sort of like yearning and nostalgia. For sure. It's a little harder to buy on Coop's front with the aforementioned three other women that he is like, you know, flirting with inside of this episode.

That being said, I think the moment at the end of the episode with Mel and the and the, and the, the, Fireball birthday gift and the brown like sack lunch bag was very, very good. I love that it's there versus the meltini, which was right. Like, Nick was right about that. A dirty martin. Like, he was right. He's just the wrong guy. But it was, but it's not like he's this blundering idiot not paying attention. I mean, he is to a certain degree because she didn't want this party in the first place. But like in terms of that, like, I know what you like. I pay attention. I know what cocktail you like. Unfortunately, Coops, like, I know what childhood candy

you like, which is just like a little hits a little harder. I'm just going to wrap this up with a bow like the bow in Mel's hair at this party and say, with love and respect to all of this, which again has great opportunity to capture my interest. You can't do sad, middle

age white woman on a trampoline after the leftovers use the Wu-Tang Clan to do it. So... There's only room in prestige TV for one cathartic trampoline jump. And it really is already spoken for it belongs to Gary Coon. I'm so sorry.

And Regina King, we should say. Yeah, and Regina King definitely. So like, I don't know, put her a sad swing set. Like, I don't know what other thing we could have done. But as soon as I saw it on the trampoline, I was like, we can't do this. It belongs to another show. How are you feeling about this whole plot? I also enjoy it.

And I think you isolated something in there and the contrast between. Coop and Nick that's that's really interesting right that that difference between the melty and the candies or or really the party and the candies in the unassuming brown paper bag is it's like sort of the difference between knowing things about someone versus knowing someone like Nick knows these things that she likes and Coop knows that she doesn't want the pomp and circumstance she doesn't want the glowing table party with all of her friends and all of her family there like she wants something lower key right and he knows that enough to present it to her in a way that like that's the kind of familiarity that I love seeing in a show and that kind of like

shorthand storytelling of these people really have this bond they may not have always worked they may not have been a good pair by the end of their relationship the end of their marriage but they get each other on a fundamental level and I I like that for the Mel character you know I think in some sense you could look at Mel and say she's going through her own parallel crisis in this that in some ways is independent of Coop but in some ways can never be right like they are they share custody of their children, they're constantly working together. Their separation is still so fresh that they're both processing it in their own ways. And so the idea that she kind of keeps getting pulled back to him in various capacities within

the show, I think makes good sense for where that character is. This is also, I think, a really strong Tori episode. Tori gets his confrontation with her dad where she's like, you didn't even try. You didn't even fight for us. You just, like, pieced out. And I think, again, that is sort of fulfilling something that I was hoping for, where, again, I was listening to a different review of the show where they were identifying Mel as, like, the villain, and which is never something that I thought, but I could see from a certain point of you, you're like cheating spouse. Maybe you could put her in that bucket if you wanted to. I mean, they're the villain in the way that, like, law enforcement is the villain in Goodfellas.

Like, I don't understand. I don't agree, but I'm like, I can see if you were expecting a different kind of show or I don't know, something. like that, but like you don't put Amanda Pete to just give her, make her like a cardboard cheating spouse, I want your money kind of character. And so here we are several episodes later, but we were getting hints of this throughout, I would say. And so this table turning of us being in Coop's perspective and him being like, poor, poor, pitiful me, all this stuff happened to me, right? My job was taken from me and I didn't do anything to deserve that. My marriage was taken from me. I didn't do anything to deserve that, my kids, blah, blah, to what was your role in all of this as characters have been asking him throughout, his BFF Barney was asking him, like, you think this is nothing to

do with you where you've landed here? You are but a passenger on this vehicle? Really? So I think Tori calling it out so explicitly was really good inside of this episode. It needed some of that sort of calling out, and I'm sure it'll continue to happen from various characters. I think Tori doing it specifically, as you said, not just why didn't you fight for us and our family, but you're like not showing up in general and people are starting to take notice that every time there's a group meeting

you're off rob in somebody's house eyeing now the paintings on the wall, which is a bad idea. Don't ever get into art theft. It seems really messy. Overall, though, I would say on the counterpoint to that, you get Tori and her mom with Mel doing her makeup. And I think a lot of

really tender and earnest moments in this episode in particular. I thought this was easily the most earnest this show has been between that, between Mel and Allie getting to interact, and you see the kind of relief that Mel has that Allie showed up to her party. And as someone who loves a musical moment, how did you feel about Allie's impromptu acoustic performance of Hold Me Now, the song that she just talked about in therapy that she was not able to even listen to as recently as, I don't know, a couple weeks ago? I do love a musical moment.

I do enjoy the Thompson twins. Allie was giving energy that I was not, when she was like, Yeesh, I'm going to fix this with, anyway, here's Wonderwall, was like, this is the problem with people who come tethered to an acoustic guitar, or in this case, I guess, need their nephew to go fetch one, but they just can't be trusted in these circumstances. Fetch me my guitar. Let me grab this stool.

I don't know. And then everyone was like, oh, I love this acoustic rendition of the Thompson twins. That's what they showed up for. It was a person they don't know singing the Thompson twins. I was baffled by this moment and what I was meant to feel about it. But we do, so here, let me run through a few side plots that we have inside this episode. Barney has money troubles of his own. Yep.

And a very hot wife. I will say on that, on that front, she makes a very compelling case as to why he shouldn't worry about the money, I guess. Don't throw your toothbrush on the floor. I don't care how compelling the case is. don't do it. He's not using that toothbrush again. Don't worry about it. He might as well have thrown it in the trash.

It's over. It's over for the toothbrush. I really hope so. But I don't know. We see characters on TV do some truly nasty things with their toothbrushes. I want to say one moment that I loved in terms of like lived in relationship feelings that are not over explained. When they're playing golf and Barney like hits the ball and Cooke goes, there you go, Barney. As if to be like.

And now we know that Barty historically sucks at golf and Kup is like constantly trying to bolster him, which I really liked that moment because Kube's sister, Ali, who you mentioned, A, goes of therapy, B, watches old episodes of Jeopardy. That was like quite an old episode I could tell by the font on the, on the categories. Okay. Coup's parents remain the worst. Yep. Well, at least the mom.

The dad is at least a little better. he's better but like if you stay married to her and sort of like silently complicit you also suck um nana isn't racist anymore um deeply relatable there's that uber driver she told us about deeply relatable element of this show uh lou has him on camera coming and going quite frequently in a way that i found truly alarming yeah um well we should say coop and elena are doing fucking work out there like the part of the fast tracking is the montaging of their relationship where now he has a big old pile of money. Like, they've been doing jobs.

I guess that's true. And then last and at least, Rob, when do you think Chekhov's Maserati trunk latch is going to, I don't know, reveal a dead body or something? The only question to me is, will it have a body or will it have stolen goods? Yeah.

Will it be the painting or will it be the SAT key answers or will it be a dead body? I don't know. I kind of think it's the body. I think the follow-up to the cold open scene we saw of Kooke trying to mop up the blood is he feels scared about his presence there in general and potential evidence linking him to this body.

And so he decides to take the body and then the trunk pops at some point in front of, I don't know who, but obviously someone who should not see a dead body in his trunk. Someone not great, I would guess. Okay, what have we not hit that you want to make sure that we hit here? I don't know what to do with Sam.

Olivia Munn, I enjoy her performance on this show a lot. I think there's very satisfying parts of her just getting to talk shit to Paul in this episode. Say her piece. I enjoy the lines. Also loved when her friend, when Paul's like, could we have a moment and her friends are like, no. Absolutely not. That's not how this works. I also think to her and John Hamm's credit, like there's some real heat in their performances.

Like there's a chemistry there that really works. Her response to seeing another woman at Coop's Place, being I'm going to send him some tasteful nudes. I just don't know what this character is and what version of humanity it even vaguely represents. It's very messy. And it was like so, it was so clunky when like he walks, live out and she gives him a kiss. And I was like,

it has to be Olivia Munn in the driveway watching this. Like, of course it is. And that's just like a little boring, honestly. Okay. Anything else about this episode? before we get to our final very lengthy basketball email that we got from John.

Joe, I do have one more thing. Yeah. We finally got a concrete answer as to why Coop was not concerned about walking into his ultra-rich friends' homes and did not seem to pay any mind to the possibility of a security camera. Apparently he's been using like a Wi-Fi-related

jamming device this whole time and I guess they just forgot to tell us. But here's what I don't believe is that there aren't cameras like all over that neighborhood. Oh, completely. So when he's tearing ass through like fields. Well, first he's running directly down the middle of a road. I haven't done a lot of getaways in my life.

That seems like bad strategy. All right. Here, let's go to John's email, which is, which goes with something like this. Please let me know how many times I mispronounce a name or something like that. Okay. John says, of your trying to identify a single NBA player here, I don't think there's any one player that hits all the signifiers three time. All-Star Olympian, one-time NBA champ, played for the Knicks, somewhere in the 6367 range with a slender frame.

The Yukon logo on Nick's court, though, led me down a Husky alumni path, which led me to two more players in the mix. Rip Hamilton and Karen Butler, did I pronounce that correctly? It's Karan. Coran. That sounds better than Karen Butler. Okay, Karan. All right.

Rip, three-time All-Star, one-time champ, doesn't fit the Knicks or the Olympics part of the profile, but does have a similar build as Nick, who to me feels like a shooting guard. The internet notes that Mark Tallman is 6.3, though he's probably trying to pull off 6.6 6.6 for a show. That rim is probably 8.59 feet for the purpose of making the dunk look easier. Butler, two-time all-star, one-time champ also does not fit the Knicks or Olympic mold, but he's more a defensive player than Rip, which fits Nick's offering 1,000 to anyone who could score in him. I feel like Rip would offer 1,000 to anyone who could keep him from scoring. Butler probably has a bit too thick of a frame to really be Nick, though. But the biggest what-the-fup moment

of Nick's career, and this is something I learned, thanks so much, John. The biggest what-the-fuck moment of Nick's career for him was the fact that he wore number 79. I have never in my life seen that number on an NBA jersey. If it wasn't for Luca popularizing number 77, any number above 55 would probably look out of place aside from your occasional, oh, I can't, I can't pronounce any of these names, or later blah, blah. If basketball references, correct, that number has never been worn in any NBA game. That is true. Ramoni, a character weigh in on John's email. I'll take the last part first. Okay, thanks so much.

Number 79, to me, reads as a novelty commemorative jersey of some kind and not his. Like, he did 79 think, like, sometimes you would see this, for example, players were recently given jerseys who played the entire season, 82 games, with a jersey that had 82 on it. The problem is I don't know what the hell 79 would be. And I agree ultimately with John that, like, 79 is not a jersey that anybody in the NBA has ever worn or realistically would probably wear. Very, very unusual number. But I think he hits at the heart of what makes the comp just so elusive.

And I think it's really the combination of only a three-time All-Star, but also a member of an Olympic team, and also famous enough that he would be on magazine covers, but not so exorbitantly wealthy that he wouldn't need a post-career second pivot to owning his own gym. Like we're trying to thread a very specific needle here that I think Karan Butler and Rip Hamilton gets close to, but I stand by Richard Jefferson. I got to say. Okay, well, thank you so much to John. Thanks so much for teaching me how to pronounce Karam Butler. And thank you to Justin Sales for his work on this podcast feed. It's been a hectic few weeks here on the feed. So thank you so much to Justin for everything he does.

Thanks to Kevin Pooler for jumping in on this. Kevin's new to our feed and really appreciate all the work that he did on this episode. Ramahoni, I appreciate you. Thank you, too. Thanks so much. And we'll be back with more Lastimus coverage. and who's to say what else here on the prestige feed

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