The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway - Should You Be Provocative? Best & Worst Rebrands, and What’s Next for Celsius

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Scott kicks things off with advice on whether being provocative helps or hurts when building your brand. He then unpacks some of the best and worst rebrands in recent memory. Finally, he weighs in on Celsius’ rise in the energy drink wars, and where the brand could go next. Want to be featured in a future episode? Send a voice recording to [e-mail], or drop your question in the r/ScottGalloway subreddit. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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fooling ourselves? New episodes every Sunday. Welcome to Office Hours with Proppchee. This is the part of the show where we answer questions about business, big tech, entrepreneurship and whatever else is on your mind. What's happening? Today we're finishing off our special series, ProffG on Marketing, where we answer your marketing questions.

And just a reminder, Office Hours now drops every Monday and Friday. That's twice a week, twice the ProffG. If you'd like to submit a question for next time, you can send a voice recording to OfficeHours at ProffGMedia.com. Again, that's OfficeHours at ProffGMedia.com. Or post your question on the Scott Galloway subreddit, and we just might feature it in our next episode. First question.

Our first question comes from Sam on Reddit. Jesus, that's the least original name I've heard on Reddit. Sam, works. Scott, you have a strong personal brand. How would you prioritize being provocative versus authentic when trying to break into your industry's discourse early on? Thanks Sam. Okay.

I think it's a not an either or. I think the more substance you have, the easier it is to be provocative. If you're just provocative without any substance or any logic or any fact checking or a narrative arc or any entertainment value, then you're just fucking obnoxious. I'm convinced that a decent amount of my success is a function of the credibility I get from being on the faculty at NYU. And I take that position seriously and try to be, I don't know, more truthful. I think about the data I put out there. There is, it's drilled into you at a university

that you are supposed to fact check your data and that is the most embarrassing thing that can happen is if you put out data that's incorrect. So I take that seriously and I think it's made me better at being a media personality, if you will. But I do like stating the obvious and where I'm provocative is I get angry, I curse, I use profane analogies, I call people out, I make personal attacks.

My rule on personal attacks is I only make them on people who are more powerful than me. You know, if I were to say that this person is a sociopath and is clearly broken and probably didn't get laid enough in college and is a total misogynist. I don't know, Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg or is engaged in child abandonment issues or child or male abandonment. See above again, Elon Musk. Those are fairly provocative things to say. Those are personal attacks. But one, I think they're true. I have receipts, whether it's reporting from the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal that in fact says that Elon Musk is a rabid drug addict

and also I have powers of observation where I can see him in the White House where he looks like he's about too many hits of Molly at a Kygo concert, which sounds like a good time to me. I just would probably not do that before showing up to the White House with a black eye. Jesus Christ, seriously, we treat the guy like he's a fucking runaway teen,

and in a year and a half, he's gonna start getting AARP male. Grow the fuck up, you weirdo. Anyways, I think that essentially, the combination of the two, so all right. Your larger question is, how do you build your personal brand? You wanna think about what your brand stands for, and if it's, let's talk about it in the context

of professional behavior. Find a subject where you can go really deep and become a mild expert on. No more anything, no more than anyone about deep water economics or blue water economics or valuation of the biotech industry or how influencers go up or down or how they leverage YouTube.

Find a very narrow piece of the world and try and own it and then start producing content on it. And what is success? Success is a series of small demonstrations of discipline every day. If you work out 20 or 30 minutes every day, within 12, 18 months, you're gonna be a big fucking stack of awesome, right?

You're gonna be fast, agile and strong. If you produce one piece of content every day or maybe a really solid, well-produced piece of content, once, twice, three times a week, before you know it, it aggregates and it builds up. It's like investing, you know? 100 bucks a week. If you're disciplined by the time you're my age,

you're kind of done financially. That's what success looks like. So we're gonna find a narrow niche content area. We're gonna start producing content every day on it. And then if you wanna make a provocative statement, right, I think, I don't know, what have I said that's provocative recently? I think America could end with a whimper.

I said at the opening of this show, or the opening of my other Prof. G-Pod, that you could have Texas, California, the Midwest and the East split into kind of four European Union-like countries focused on technology oil and gas Manufacturing and financial services and do trades with their own to trade with their own partners have their own currency Their own militias and essentially America breaks up with a whimper. That's a fairly provocative thing to say, but I think it's interesting I think there's data there. I think it makes sense when you hear it or at least hear me kind of articulate it and

I'd like to think that some of the substance I've put out and some of the effort I put around pulling together data makes a provocative statement a little bit more interesting. So what are we going to do? We're going to find a niche that we can sort of own. We're going to start producing content on a regular basis and hold ourselves accountable. Provocative is a loaded word. I try not to say things that are just bullshit that I know are going to inflame people. In sum, you want a peanut butter and chocolate of substance and rigorous analysis, and then be willing, if you believe something, to say something, even if it's not part of the narrative. I think that's the real thing that's provocative or interesting, is occasionally just going where the truth takes you,

regardless of who it's going to offend, even if it offends your own tribe and the own orthodoxy that you've been taught to buy into if you're either blue, team blue or team red. If you're not pissing off people and saying shit that you don't get pushed back on it means you're probably not saying anything. So what are we going to do again? Identify the niche, weaponized social media,

piece of content on a regular basis. And instead of pursuing the provocative, pursue the truth, regardless of who it offends or whether it supports an orthodoxy that you've wanted to sign up to. Appreciate the question. Our second question comes from naturalswimming247 on Reddit. They ask, what's the best rebrand

of the past decade and the worst? I have an easier time with the worst and the best. For the best, I think the branding for the Premier League, the colors, the lion, and they've done a great job of trying to build up their individual brands within the portfolio and then the parent brand. I think it's just so well executed and so clean over the last decade. There's some other kind of stupid or simpler stuff. Dunkin' Donuts going to going to Duncan was sort of a small

piece of genius the worst hands down is the Brand destruction around Tesla and that's just fucking stupid. All right, who do EVs? Appeal to Democrats who should I piss off? Democrat that just made no sense. I've never seen activity that's more contrarian to business interests. His political actions, specifically

swallowing a red pill the size of the Lusitania, 75% of Republicans would never consider buying an EV. So who is he trying to appeal to? In Northern Europe, the sales are off 50%, 60%, and 70%. His sales are down 11% in California. Tesla's brand or Tesla sales declined 20% year on year. There's no automotive company in the world crashing faster in terms of revenue than Tesla right now.

Oh wait, I thought of another one, probably the worst, going from HBO to HBO Go to HBO Now to HBO Joey Bagedon, HBO Diet Coke to Max. And then they finally got their head out of their ass and decided to reincorporate what is arguably one of the most artisanal, strongest brands in the history of media, and that is HBO, which means better content.

If anyone's talking about a series around the water cooler, chances are it appeared on HBO. That culture, their consistent sort of ability to punch about their weight class and produce this sort of Ferrari Mercedes like content versus Toyota just like this massive amount of data or content you find on other platforms. It's an amazing brand and that was absolutely going to just max was the worst brand decision in media the last 10 years. Now step back from the wrong direction to

step in the right direction, and they brought back HBO. But it's amazing that they would be that stupid to ever even consider that. We'll be right back after a quick break. 2025 marks 50 years since a trailblazer named Jan Todd decided to go to the gym with her little boyfriend. I had started going with Terry to the gym just because, you know, he's your cute boyfriend

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Celsius has built a formidable brand in energy drinks viewed as a lighter, healthier product despite higher caffeine content. Popular among women and those interested in fitness and the opposite of the gamer bro of the other energy drinks. They traded a lower price of sales and monster despite plausibly having more growth ahead and room to expand internationally. However, they don't have that one flavor like OG Red Bull. And instead of getting acquired, they spent over a billion acquiring their closest competition.

Where is or should this brand be headed? John, I don't know this market very well, John. In 2022, PepsiCo invested 500 million, 550 million in Celsius, Jesus. In 2024, Celsius made up 9% of the U.S. energy drink market by volume, Monster led with 46.6% of volume share with Red Bull at 20%. Celsius ad spend is rapidly growing 85 million in 2022, 116 in 2023, 220 million in 2024.

I don't know the space. I think I would probably stay away from this. Let me just look at the stock really quickly. Okay, so what is it? It's got a market cap of 11 billion. Its P is 127. Yeah, I just don't know enough about this company. The reason I'm sort of initially a bit anemic here is that I just came from Summit in Detroit, and it just seems like anyone and everyone is starting energy drinks or different CBD infused sodas.

It strikes me that the whole space is just so incredibly crowded. They kind of have a mixed financial picture in the first quarter of 2025, revenue of 320 million dropped by 7% yearly. Well, that's enough for me. If it's trading at a P of 120 and it's not growing, revenue growth should improve improve the near term due in part to the Alani New takeover. Alani New, I think that's a hotel I want to go to after my fifth divorce in Hawaii. In 2025, analysts forecast 60% revenue growth, but

once Celsius benefits from that one time bump, they expect revenue increase. I'm sure that revenue bump is from the acquisition expected to slow to 21%. Even though international sales made up 7% of revenue in Q&A 2025, that part of the market grew by 41%. And I don't know, I just don't know the space well enough right now to go into this thing. And it looks expensive to me. But but you know what I would suggest is if you like the space go into ETF focused on the energy drink space and get a little bit of all of it because what you're trying to do a stock pick relative to the rest of them and I don't know if that's a good idea long-winded way of saying I don't know but thanks for the question. That's all for this

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