The Questlove Show - A Reaction To The Kurt Loder Episode Of The Questlove Show
Episode Date: August 30, 2026In this QLS Mini, Open Mike Eagle and Cousin Jake briefly unpack their stress soundtracks, from comfort spins like XTC and R.E.M. to the way MTV and MTV News quietly raised a generation. Using their r...ecent Kurt Loder Questlove Show interview as a springboard, they revisit formative moments like the Kurt Cobain and Tupac reports, the Real World era, and how Loder became a kind of Gen X Walter Cronkite. The conversation tracks how we used to “lean back” and receive culture versus today’s hyper-controlled feeds, while celebrating the dignity and care MTV News brought to covering cultures.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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What up, man?
How are you today?
I'm doing well.
How are you?
Man, I, uh, you know, I'm a mixture of blessed and stressed.
Okay.
That seems to be the, the order of the day.
I think for a lot of us, that's where the needle is, you know, between those two.
Are you feeling that too?
Well, yeah.
I mean, um, you know, I don't know exactly when this is going to come out, but, um, I'm in the middle of an album rollout.
I'm technically on tour right now.
Um, you know, the wheels.
are turning but you know i guess where i usually land is i am out of control busy constantly trying to
keep these plates spinning more plates than i have arms but these are all things that i want to do
yeah this is what we ask for exactly so there's just no there's no reason to complain and and i feel i feel
feel fortunate to have the opportunity to do a lot of them, you know?
Yeah.
And that's beautiful.
And I'm in a similar spot where I remind myself, like, what it is I do for a living,
which doesn't mean it's always pretty, doesn't mean it's always enjoyable.
And it's certainly not stress-free.
Right.
And it dovetails into what I want to talk about today.
But before we get to that, I did want to ask you, do you have, like, is there a song
or two from your stress soundtrack when you're just having, I won't even say a bad day, but
you're feeling surges of,
you know, I got like comfort albums I put on,
but the thing is, like, my stress soundtrack is, like,
it's like in my mind.
Like, I don't usually don't even have to, like, go to music.
Like, songs are just pop into my head.
And I'm, I'm trying to, like, think of specific ones,
but, like, my comfort bands is usually where I end up going.
So, like, my XTC, my R.E.M, like, you know,
a lot of the stuff that's in my old school, like,
college rock bag is a lot of the stuff that pops into my mind is like comfort music, you know?
It's funny you say R.M. And you were talking about XTC when we were in LA together in April.
But like the song that always is stuck in my head and it's such a woe is me. But I always hear
Michael Stipe's voice go, it's been a bad day. Please don't take me a picture. Like I just love that
song. But it's like the same. It's not the REM that I seek out, but that just always pops into my
when I'm having one. Not even stressed, but just like a
can't get right sort of day.
Yeah, man. But with that said, it's funny.
You talk about XTC and R.M.
And some 80s, some 90s.
We had a conversation with Kurt Loder,
who, you know, it's so interesting.
Me as a 42-year-old,
my context of knowing Kurt Loder
firsthand was always through MTV News.
And then I've learned, same for you.
Yeah.
And then I learned, you know, he has this incredible
life before
1988
go figure
where he's one of the
lead
you know
staff writers
of Rolling Stone
and you know
contributed all these other places
did a biography
with Tina Turner
a memoir
and unfortunately
back in April
you know
you and I
got to kick it
for a few hours
but the day that we hung out
was not the day
that Kurt came through
and I wanted that
I was just like
being in a room
with like a slice
of different people
but you know
a lot of folks
with the Questlove show, you know, leave comments of who they want to see on. And those comments,
they don't, you know, they end up places. And a lot of times when we have production meetings,
you know, we consider that. And obviously publicists are always pitching the show. Right.
But so much of the great wins of QLS in my five years as part of this have come from these
midnight texts that Questlove sends of who he wants to speak to. Wow. And that's exactly what
happened with Kurt Loder.
You know, at some point in February or March, Amir hit Brittany and I and was like,
Kurt Loder, please, can we get him?
And, you know, that was fun because Kurt is not somebody who has a huge footprint online.
Right.
So I actually contacted, you know, one of his former book agents with what I did find.
They gave me an email.
And I was like, you know, make sure, like, it's cool to give this email.
And Kurt responded.
And it was amazing.
Kurt is now in his early 80s.
Doesn't look it, doesn't feel it, but just to spend a few hours with Kurt and, you know, his partner, Jennifer was a really, really cool experience. One of my highlights, both from the L.A. trip, but we got to finally meet, but also just this year in general.
I didn't realize that you and Brittany did a lot of booking, too. I mean, y'all wear a lot of hats.
Talk about spinning plates. Yeah. I mean, and shouts out to, you know, Laia and Amir did so much booking in the, um,
Questlop Supreme days and you know I got to learn a lot under
Laia but yeah just in you know somehow our emails became the folks to pitch and it's
funny like I get a hundred emails a month and it's it's amazing because I laugh of
you know my background of 25 years on the writing side the same folks that you know I
couldn't ever seem to find you know for years when I needed to like pitch a feature
or something like that sometimes I could sometimes I couldn't or
the same artists that are being offered up to the show now, which is beautiful, but there's
a little piece of poetry there. There's a little bit of poetry there. I feel you. Let me ask you this.
And, you know, not to, not to derail too much. But it makes me think it's like, obviously
Amir knows a lot of people. And I think it is probably the case that there are plenty of people
out there for whom he would love to have on the show and they would love to be on the show.
But because we're talking about probably two very busy universes of people, even once, you know,
you have or he has confirmation that somebody wants to be on the show, there's probably a lot of
steps from there to getting it across the finish line. Like, like from having intention stated
to having a date booked where somebody shows up at a specific time. Yeah. I, I,
I imagine there's a lot of, you know, extra carrying the football across the line that has to happen from there.
There is.
And I mean, one of the things is just I pride myself on trying to, and I think this is true of Brittany or anyone down with the organization, we tried to just take things off of Amir's plate.
What's been really amazing this year is, you know, I was with Amir and Padma Lakshmi back in March.
We were taping an episode, which ran a cool episode.
And while we were there, Amir got a text from Jamie Lee Curtis.
and he was like, oh, she's in town and she'd like to talk.
Wow.
And then becomes the job of like, you know, camera, studio, logistics.
And we made that happen.
And those are always cool.
You know, we always just run our pitches by.
But I always say that with care because, you know,
one of the things I try to be mindful of is QLS.
It thrives because the podcast exists outside of press windows.
So it's always interesting when somebody pitches the show and they're like,
hey, if we could target it to run on this date when this album,
comes out or this tour is announced or in this Grammy voting window.
But if that same conversation is happening in other, you know, it's not even about competition.
It's just like, you know, if you're listening to XYZ artists, you're probably only good
for one conversation, you know, in one place, unless you are, you know, that you're a diehard
fan.
So we always just try to live outside of that.
And the show has proudly since inception not been about plugging things so much.
We're not a radio show.
I mean, it's designed in the spirit of.
But as you very much found out as a guest last year, there were a few questions towards your album,
but oftentimes the discussion goes where it goes organically.
And then if everything goes to plan, then the viewer, the listener is like, ah, I want to listen in this album.
I want to see what this question's up to.
It's informed by curiosity and genuine interest.
And that's different than trying to coordinate with, you know, when a big release has happened.
And it's a different type of show.
100%.
And that's one of the things that I've had to learn because when you're just a media person,
you know, I'm not a brand.
I'm not, you know, the pitches that I've gotten over the years are always intended to focus
on the thing that the artist is valuing at that moment.
And you balance it with some legacy questions and some random stuff.
But QLS is different and I really enjoy it.
And I really love working with people that understand that.
Folks that aren't texting me as the conversation is happening, when's he going to get to XYZ?
I'm curious to think.
Like what was your relationship with MTV or MTV news growing up?
Man, I feel like MTV partly like raised me, you know.
I was a latchkey kid, you know, early 90s south side of Chicago when it was crazy outside.
And I live with my grandparents.
And, you know, I had a TV in my room and they had cable.
And I watched a lot of, you know, kid stuff growing up, right?
You'd watch Nickelodeon in your cartoons an afternoon or whatever.
But one of my go-toes was just to see what was on MTV.
And I've always been such a music head my whole life.
So it was so great to always have this channel that was just this world of music.
You know, like I would watch everything from Yom TV raps to headbangers ball, like anything.
I would watch it.
Was that Ricky Radman?
Wait, who's that?
Did you say Ricky Rack?
Is that what you said, Ricky Rack?
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, yes, headbanger's ball.
Yeah, yeah, Rick racked me.
Yep, headbangers ball.
I remember when he cut his hair was a big deal.
He had the long hair with the headbangers ball,
but then when grunge happened, he kind of had to adapt, you know?
MTV was 24 hours, but overnight was just a lot of, like after midnight,
it would just be mostly music videos, right?
I actually don't remember what it was like overnight.
Like, I know on the weekends, like, they had 120 minutes that would come on Sunday night at,
like, 11.
So I could only even see that if there was like no school the next day.
But for the most part, I don't really remember what was on overnight on MTV.
Were you a real world guy?
Yeah, I watched.
I saw a little bit of the first season, the second season I was really kind of dialed in on.
Is the second season San Francisco?
That sounds right.
That sounds right.
Because it starts in New York with Kevin and Heather, right?
Right.
And that's the one I was kind of in and out on.
I didn't really, like I didn't understand what that was.
And I was like a kid.
So it was like, why?
Why is this show about these adults having arguments?
Like, what is this?
But there was something about the second one.
Was it that guy, Puck?
Was he on that one?
Yeah, that was San Francisco.
Yep.
So that was the one where like I had an end and I was like, okay, I get this.
But I never watched it after that.
Like that, oh, I think there was a Seattle season?
Yep, with the slap.
Yep.
I don't remember the slap.
But I feel like that was my last.
engagement with
the real world. And it's funny. Like
Laia, Amir and I and Brittany,
we've all had some serious
rabbit hole between tapings on
Real World. And we all had intersections
with various cast members. But
similar to you, I think that's the glory years.
Like I always say, I like Real World
before you had to be a beautiful person
on there. Right. You know, like
when it was real and then all of a sudden.
Regular as people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
But, you know, as far as
MTV News, it's real interesting.
listening to this Kurt Loder interview and watching it, his voice is so soothing to me.
It's one of those voices that's like, you know, Rosebud and Citizen Kane, it takes me back.
And I'm just, I'm curious for you, you know, when you're consuming all that television and I was
very much a latchkey kid as well, do you have any memorable reports of that?
Ooh, okay. So what I used to do a lot was just tape MTV. I would just videotape it.
Like a two hour tape and I would just tape a two hour block of it and I would just watch it back over and over again.
And there was this one I remember where there was an MTV news breaking.
For some reason, they were doing a story about this guy.
I guess some DJ had made this remix of like George Bush speeches.
Like he just made a song.
The song was called Hard Times and they kept dropping all of these.
like, you know, speech accused from George Bush speeches. And for some reason, this was a news
story. And I'll never forget it because it was like one of those things when you're a little kid
and you're watching what is to you, the presentation of what's important in the world, right?
You're like, oh, okay. And I'm thinking like, this is a big deal. And I think back on it now,
I'm like, I don't know how that segment happened. I don't know. I don't know who.
that person is, who's that DJ, like, it's, it's all so interesting to think back on and see how, like,
ultimately insignificant this particular piece of information was, but because I'm a little kid,
and this is the news, and this is Kurt Loder. I'm like, oh, this is interesting. Was it Kurt that
teed up? I do believe it was Kurt. I do believe it was Kurt. I don't think this was a Tabitha Soren.
I think this was Kurt Loder. Shout out to Tabitha Soren, too. She was amazing. I've been, my, my, my, I
IG Discover Real has been bringing up a lot of Tabitha Soren checking Mariah Carey's publicist in that interview a lot.
Oh, no, I don't remember that.
Oh, it's quality where she asked a Tommy Motola question and they're like, all right, interview over.
And Tabitha, I love this just as a journalist.
She was like, I've worked on this story for weeks.
Wow.
And Mariah is sitting right there.
And it's just good, awkward television.
So the publicist is sitting on camera with Mariah?
Off camera.
You hear the voice of like, we're going to rap now.
Interesting. And they left all that in.
Yeah, and it's like Honey Era Mariah.
You know, it's like 96, 97, 8.
But you know, it's funny.
Like somebody on our YouTube page left a really resonant comment.
And they were like, you know, Kurt Loder was older than, I think, the audience that MTV presented itself as.
Yep.
But he covered this whether you want to talk about grunge or hip hop or metal.
with such dignity and respect.
And I just, you think about it over time,
and it seems so, I don't want to say foreign,
but like I feel like if you were to be MTV now,
the fact that they went with somebody
with this authoritative, very straight ahead delivery,
but always putting love and respect in there
is just so cool to me.
Well, you know, I think that,
especially when I think back on it now,
it's like, yeah, like that they picked
the Walter Cronkite for that generation, right? So the whole deal with the old school newscaster is that like he was kind of calming you while potentially delivering you devastating information. That seemed to be traditionally the role of the lead news anchor, right? Especially like in the evening news. So it felt like he was the, you know, Generation X version of that where, yeah,
And MTV, you have this entire spectrum of crazy characters or sarcastic, sardonic voices.
But when it came to the news, it was like, oh, this is the voice you can trust, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're going to literally interrupt Beavis and Budhead to give you some news at 50 on the hour.
And yeah, and I always thought Kurt was like a cool dresser.
I always, and it speaks to the conversation, like, he's done some press over the years.
but he was somebody, and Amir made this point,
and Amir made the Walter Cronkite comparison in his intro,
but I'm like, does this guy live in the studio?
Not because he seems like a workaholic,
but I'm just imagining him in the box, you know, the TV.
That's the only place I ever saw him was in, you know,
on the green screen with the spinning satellite dish.
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It's interesting.
You know, Kurt writes a lot of film reviews now.
I haven't read his memoir with Tina Turner, but after this episode, I've been reading a lot
this year. I'm going to buy that book and read it. But I got to give Kurt Loader a documentary
film recommendation. And I'm not a me first person, but I was like, there's not, I won't say
bucket list, but I was like, that's something that I will. That's a win. That's a win. Exactly.
You know. But yeah, I mean, you mentioned like devastating news. I'm curious, like, do you have
memories of whether it was Kurt or somebody else of learning the kind of watershed moment
developments, whether it's somebody passing
or otherwise that stick with you. It's on
the nose, man, but the Kurt Cobain
passing, I'm
what, 13 or something?
I'm right in
the wheelhouse
for, you know, I really, like I loved
grunge music. Like, I loved
and, you know, I was in the hood.
I didn't have friends around me who were like interested
in that shit at all. But like, like I said,
I used to watch Headbangers Ball.
I was just obsessed
with like, you know, music and pop culture.
I saw that shift happen from when, you know,
it was the big hair and the, you know,
the leotards and the girls draped over the car hood.
I saw that get phased out.
And that was so fascinating to me to see like, whoa, okay.
And now it's like this grimy kid in high school with the long sleeves,
he looks dirty and messy.
Like, yo, okay?
And I got really into that.
that, you know, the Nirvana, Sound Garden, Pearl Jam, all of that, Alice and Chains. And so
that passing was, like, it felt like one of those world-changing events. Like, there was, like,
a small group of girls in my school who were like, you know, proto, emo. I don't even know what
you would call them back then. But they were just completely, like, they were crying all day.
Because of how hard this, this news hit them. And I feel like,
I don't know if everybody saw it or found out that way,
but if you were a fan following that music,
you were watching MTV.
And so, like, it stands to reason.
This is how you would come about this information.
It was from Kurt Loder in his very soothing voice.
Explain.
And they talked about that.
Yeah, and what's interesting, I mean, I remember that 94,
like I watched MTV before, but 94 is the summer.
I just remember being glued to the TV.
You mentioned SoundGuard, and that was the,
year of Black Hole Sun was the big single.
And that video scared the hell out of me.
Still to this day, like those images.
Yeah.
With, you know, little eyeballs.
Yeah, it's freaky, freaking video.
Same summer as Regulate being on and John Mellon pants, wild night.
Like what?
Three sides of the brain.
Okay.
Yeah.
And literally, I think MTV News cut, that might have been how I learned of the Bronco
chase, like in the middle of all that summer.
Wow.
You know, but Kurt personally delivered the Kurt Cobain news and they talk about it.
The thing that I always remember, and I don't believe it was Kurt Loder.
I think it was either Chris Connolly or Tabitha Soren was Tupac.
And shout to Chris Connolly too.
I feel like I did see a lot of Chris Connolly on MTV News as well.
He was great.
John Norris and Serena Aoucho, all the names.
But I remember my mom walking in as I was one of those people processing Park's death.
And my mom started crying, which always sticks with me.
And I looked at my mom, and I wasn't crying.
I was just really affected, but I'm 12 years old.
And my mom cried, and to this day, my mom was just visiting me over the weekend.
I asked you, I was like, why are you crying?
And my mom knew the song, Dear Mama, and my mom's crying because she said he loved his mom very much.
Wow.
That was her?
That was how she associated him and her mind.
And I just think of what true compassion and empathy in a pop culture aesthetic looks like.
And I always think of, I'll carry that memory with me the rest of my life,
especially with what I've since done with my career in my life.
But I always think of my mom with that.
Yeah.
And I'm just curious, like, the idea of that lean back experience with whether the videos or the shows
you're watching and the news you're getting is completely decided for you.
Now when I feel like we hold our controllers to everything, be it your phone, be it your
laptop, be it social media.
Is there anything that?
is akin to that experience we're talking about.
You know, it's funny.
You just said that I've thought about,
where do I get my bad news now?
Because I don't go looking for bad news.
And honestly, like, I got, you know,
I have like a New York Times subscription.
So they send, you know,
I get breaking news alerts to my email.
And it's like, that is, it's like,
it's almost like my email inbox is the media
that I don't control.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I'll, you know, sign up for,
this or sign up for that and then that gets fed to me, but I don't choose when, you know,
I think that's, that in my life is probably the closest because I'm never like actively going
and looking for the tragedy just happened.
And I used to, it used to be Twitter.
Right.
When Twitter felt like a reliable place to get clear information on things, I would just go see
what's trending.
And oftentimes you see somebody's name trending.
and you click it and find out that something awful's happened.
Yeah.
You know.
No, that's a really good point.
And it's funny because I get those same emails.
And I've tried to like, you know, it's like the boy who cried wolf.
Like I try to look, manage my subscriptions and just take down a little bit of the trigger warning of like, hey, can we not send me alerts to start with this person's name?
Or, you know, if somebody passed away, you know, don't.
But you can't.
You can't.
And I actually get mad when on the weekend, the New York Times, you know, they go from,
hard news to sending you like,
hey, how do you clean your grill?
Yeah, with the same, like, presentation.
It's like, y'all got to switch this up.
That's weird, right.
You think somebody fell off a bridge or something?
No, but it's just like bread recipes or something.
Well, I encourage everyone.
I mean, obviously, we're the show between the show,
but check out the Kurt Loder conversation.
There's some cool intercept.
And Amir had mentioned in passing,
old dirty bastard.
And I thought, I mean, that's a famous report
that did not involve,
tragedy. But, you know, I mean, obviously, ODB is no longer with us, but Kurt Loder, I think, guided
the little MTV production of obviously the famous. Actually, it's funny. I have a replica somewhere
behind me of the WIC card that ODB gets out of the limo and goes in to use the benefit.
Classic material. Shout out to Tore. Tore, I think, was, Tore, I think he was the host for that
segment, I believe. Oh, Tuchet. Yeah, we'll make sure we get that right. That's, um, I believe
so. I could be wrong, but I believe Tore.
That was a series segment.
Thank you for checking out this mini, everyone.
Please, I encourage everybody, you know, send questions you might have, mailbag questions.
We did one of those last week while we were in the studio with Amir.
You got questions for the show, suggestions.
God forbid anything you want me to talk about or might.
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Until next time, Mike.
All right.
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