The Questlove Show - Black Music Month QLS Classic: Bobby McFerrin & Madison McFerrin

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

evisit this moment in time with the one and only Bobby McFerrin when he stopped by to talk about his unique journey in music. We also spoke with his daughter, singer Madison McFerrin, who was on her rise to become a powerful force in music—which she most certainly now is.    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Cors Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the... team at Pandora. What up, y'all? It's Unpaid Bill from Questlove Supreme. As you may have seen throughout June, we are celebrating Black Music Month by releasing an

episode every day. So every day you'll either hear a specially picked QLS classic, and on Wednesdays we are dropping new two-part episodes with Wayne Brady and the legendary James Poyser, both of which were filmed in studio. Black music is deeply important to me and has been an influence throughout my entire career. It's also something to celebrate for your QLS. In 2018, QLS had father-daughter Bobby and Madison McPherson McFerrera.

on. This was a fun episode really worth revisiting. Given that they worked together on Madison's recent album, I hope you can forget me. Enjoy. All right, give me bass line, Fonte. Bo-boo-boo-d-do do-do-do-do. Why are you thinking the Jungle Brothers

is cool at the end of the record? My name is Kessler. Yeah. This fact I flaunt. Yeah. I can remix my own theme. Yeah. Any time I want.

Roll call. Supra, Supra, Supra, Supra, Supra, Supra, Supra, Supra, Supra, My name is Fonte, yeah. Some say I'm loco, yeah. Had to sing it like Bobby, yeah, and do it Acapoco. Proco. Suprema, sub, sub, Supriamroca, Suprama, Supuma, Suprama, Supraima, My name is Sugar.

Yeah. I always worry. Yeah. I'm never happy. Yeah. Just give up on me already. Rocahn. Suprema.

Suprauma. Subprima. Roca. Supremea. Suprema. Suprema. Superma. Oh shit.

Yeah. On Questlove Supreme. Yeah. Similar with the man. Yeah. They made the best Cosby theme. Ro car. Ha ha.

Suprema. Supraima. Supu. Suprema. Roca. Suprema, Supraima, Roca. Isla Eam. Yeah.

And Bobby McBairn. Now you know your version's the night in the Tunisia and Blackbird? Yeah, that's all I'm hearing. I don't care if it is Roca. Hey, Suprema, Supra, Supraima, Sop, Supraima Roca. Supremma, Subprema, Supraima Roca. My name is Madie. Yeah.

I'm here with Dad. Yeah. This is my first time. Yeah. And I am happy. Roll car. Suprema, Supraima, Subrima, Subrima, Rocah. Suprema, Supraima, Subrama, Roll Call.

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I'm not a singer Take six just rolled over in their grades I was like Wait they're alive my man There's still a lot. That's right. My bad. Jesus.

I was like, okay, where is this going? Like, we are the upper echelon of music knowledge, yet we couldn't just find a with an Acapella theme, break out. Six-Batt harmony. We don't do shows every week like you. You know, every day. Okay, all right. How often do you do these?

A lot. You are, you are, we're past our 100 episodes now, right? Oh, really? So it's in now. Yeah. Yeah. First, I was very bad. at this, but now I'm just mediocre.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme on Pandora. As you... I got my own sound check. I don't even have my own effects. Our guest today is probably one of the most purest

artists in the sense of the word pure. He is a living breathing instrument very much as jazz as he is hip-hop, as he is soul, as he is classical. He is a 10-time Grammy winner. Absolutely, bar none, probably one of the most unique camillions.

Yes. Vocal camillians in music having collaborated with such a luminaries as Chickaria, Herbie Hancock, Farrow Sanders, vocalists like Al Jiro, George Benson, John Hendrix, Esperanza Smalding, Manhattan Transfer, his own voicester, and his mind-blowing. I really want to talk about the vocabularies project and recording 1,200 vocal tracks. Wow. I would say that he's probably the artist

in which leaving his comfort zone is his actual comfort zone. He's made children's, he's won Grammys for Children's Records with Jack Nicholson's done projects with Robin Williams, simultaneously in Minnesota with the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra,

over in Barcelona the Orillot I can't pronounce it the Orleo Catalia That's a good I'm going on effort Yeah

There was one point Why I was this doing like a bunch of Abbreviations But even his own Frickin offspring Are killing it Of course We love Taylor

Who's noted Beatbox God And he's Right now In the Contemporary Jazz World making stuff with Napalm from Hyatus Coyote and Robert Glasper. Of course, Javon, actor in his own right, is currently the title role in a very unknown off-broadway production of a play called Hamilton.

Oh, I'm sorry. You know I've never seen it. My pocket is a thin. Oh, okay. But, yeah, okay, anyway. And last but not least, our second guest today, Madison, Ms. Cran. You say Madison was gone. I had cheese for breakfast.

I'm sorry. Last but not. Damn, this introduction is like seven minutes. Whole family. The extended disco version. Our good friend Madison. Yes, our good friend Madison McFerrin. She's blazing trails in her own right, sort of, with her brand of what I call

sensual soul appella. Oh, that's a good one. I've been saying acopella soul. That's good. I like that. Central Solar Pella with both her albums, the Foundation Projects, Volume 1 and Volume 2. And yeah, I want to talk about that insane video, too. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the McFerrin's to Questlove Supreme. Yes. Bobby Madison. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. One day I'm going to have, like, a very succinct and just to the point intro that only takes 30 seconds.

30 seconds, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, we have Bob McFerrin on the show. So how are you today, sir? I'm well, thank you, and yourself. I'm fine. I'm very happy to be here. Your speaking voices, calmed us down. Right.

We might as well do it on NPR levels. You're fine today. You're good. Yes, I am. Thank you. Thank you. And Madison, how are you? I'm doing really well.

Thank you. I haven't seen you in the month of Sunday, so. Yeah, it's good to see you. It's been a long time. It's good to see you since I've left Philadelphia. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, you guys, I know that you have roots in Philadelphia, Minnesota, and the Bay Area.

But, like, what do you consider home? Or is it just where you lay your dreadlocks? That's your home. Where I dread. Well, probably for me, the answer would be California. Okay. I grew up in Los Angeles. My parents moved to L.A. when I was eight.

So I went through all my teenage years. I went to college in Sacramento. I went to Sacramento State. I think now it's called California State University in Sacramento, where I was a composition student. Then all my kids were born in San Francisco. So I think that pretty much covers it. And our family, like the people who we really,

our community, they're still in the Bay. They're still in the Bay area. Still fighting. and still there? Yeah. They haven't been cased out yet. Yeah. My mom is in San Francisco right now, so.

Oh, okay. Just goes to show you. When dad's away, she goes back there. Goes back home to visit. So you were born, and where were you originally? Not originally. Like, there's a remix. Like, it's a remix.

Are you talking to me? Yes, I am. Where were you born? I was born here in Manhattan. You're a New Yorker? Yeah. Okay. Okay.

So what did your parents do for a living? They were both. singers. My father was the first African-American to sign a contract with the Metropolitan Opera in 1955. He was the voice of Sydney Poitier in the movie version of Porgy and Bez. He was? Yes, in 1959. So that was all this time I thought that was... You thought that was Sydney? Yeah, I did. I did. No way. No, that was my father. Wow.

That explains a lot. So what were your formative years, at least before the age of 10 as far as exposure to music? Well, my parents love jazz. And so in addition to Beethoven and Bach and Mozart, you know, I was exposed to Count Basie, to Joe Williams, to Dinah Washington, and Edith Jones. the loniest mom you know lots of different different jazz artists weren't you also in that like

Juilliard prodigy program? I went to Juilliard when I was six Wow by the way ladies gentlemen that is so casual wait can we can we just like mock roll the theme right now that's the end of our show

yeah yeah that's the greatest humble brag of all time wow really yeah they had program for aspiring musicians at that age. I was admitted and was under the tutelage of Miss Bamberger. And we did some compositions. In fact, there was a composition that I wrote when I was six

that Maddie and I even play together sometimes on the piano called the Spanish Fiesta. D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D- do. Bap-Pa-Bub-Bee-Boo. Pee-Boo. D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D. but you wrote it on the fly. I wrote it on the fly, yeah.

I wrote it the night before the class the next day. And it just stuck with you. It just kind of stayed out there. It's very good. Thinking about a six-year-old making this song, I couldn't make this song at 26. It blows my mind still. So initially, like were you studying piano?

or any other. Piano was my main instrument all through college. I played flute in the school orchestra. That was my second instrument. I was a composition major. I at the time thought that I wanted to write for for television and movies and do arrangements for various groups.

And Dave Grusen was my hero at that time. I one day made a phone call to his home. I got his number from the musicians union's directory. And I called him. And he returned my call about three days later and invited me to his scoring session. He was doing a score for a film called Tell him Willie Boy is here with Robert Redford.

And he told me to bring him down my compositions. And so I became a student of his in composition for a while. And then later on in life we became friends. We worked together and became friends. Would that ever work in hip-hop now, Fonte, like if someone, like, say, Charles Hamilton Circus. I'm sorry. Oh, God.

Let's do another example. No, we use a rapper X. Okay. Just calls your, you know. Called your crew. Out of the blue. Yeah, 2001. Yeah.

That kind of happened to me in 2011 with the rapper that just sent me a text. And I was like, is this really? Are you kidding me? And it was really him. Really? And you didn't really respond? No, I did respond. I did respond.

After I vetted and see if it was really him. I was like, is this really homie? He was like, yeah. You got to say who? It was Drake. Really? Wait, that's how Drake? How about Drake just mentioned in like in interviews?

I didn't realize that. I just got like a random text room out of the blue one day. And it was back in like 2011. And I hit nine, I was like, yo, is this really him? He was like, no, I said, okay. Oh, damn. Oh, wow. I'm no Dave Groozing.

It works for you. No, I always catch them like, you know, before they're bubbling over. Like, Walee swears that I was dissing. No, John Legend swears that also. When he was John Stevens, he was kind of, we didn't. I didn't. He never made himself known. That's why we got to get him on the show because I'm tired of him saying that I was just sonning him all that time.

It's Philly. It's like the bootcad of you. That was James Poyser, not me. Anyway, no, throw them under the bus. So, yeah, but at six, were you, you knew what path you wanted to take in life, or was it just like your parents just? I didn't really know what I wanted to do,

really until I was a senior in high school. And up until that time, I thought of myself in different ways. I wasn't, I can't recall all the top of my, I heard what I was thinking at that time. I think I was just into being a teenage kid who would just love to go to parties and dance and stuff like that and hang out.

But I was called to the senior counselor's office one day and he asked me a question, he said. And he asked, so what do you want to do with yourself? Who do you think you are? And my answer was, well, I guess I'm a musician. understatement of I'm a musician and it wasn't until that moment

that I actually have the thought solidified in my mind that that's really the path I wanted to take because I didn't really know anything else by this time though since your parents were professionals did they notice that you were special in that way

did they see it? My parents knew I was a musician before I was two how did they say they noticed? They just knew it. You're going to be a musician. You're going to be a musician. What they could tell. See, I was trying to, before we got to this interview, I was trying to, I guess I was

analyzing or over-analyzing the path that brought you here. And I thought, well, either, because the thing is, your spontaneous, fearless nature, it's so daredevil the way that you approach stuff, that it's almost like your, you're, you're, a permanent 13-year-old so either I thought so either I thought well

similar to Michael Jackson like you're making up for I thought okay well he had a rigid strict childhood in the beginning and then once he became of college age and adult

and it's like I'm gonna you know that scene where in home alone where what's his name just goes crazy in the house McCauley calling like I thought it was that or

maybe you know since the age of two you were the class clown type like always disruptive noises and those things like I didn't expect this answer that you developed into who you are 10 15 years later in life like well

because to develop the gift that you have I feel like that is beyond the 10,000 hour genius theory I feel like that takes 40,000 hours of because it's fearlessness and you know you can sing arpeggios. What's interesting is that for the longest time, you know, even though I was studying piano and playing piano, I always had a nagging suspicion that I wasn't a pianist.

You know, there was something that I wasn't satisfied with just playing piano. Piano didn't do enough for me. And as I was asking myself, this question about, you know, who am I really? Am I a pianist? Even though I, in my inner self, knew that the answer was in the negative, that I was not a pianist. I discovered Keith Jarrett and his solo concerts. So I thought to myself, if he can be on stage alone without knowing, having the slightest idea what he's going to play when he sits down, why can't I do something like that. So I decided to explore myself as a vocalist and dedicated six years to learn,

teaching myself my technique. And for about six years, I, I practiced about two hours a day before I did my first solo concert. And this started at 27, though. I started at 27. That is unheard of. That is unheard of. So what were you doing before in there? Like, what were you doing for a living? I was doing casual gigs, you know, playing weddings and going on the road and playing lounges with lounge bands and playing jazz stuff or what's covering the pop stuff on the radio. Give me an example. What was your repertoire in, let's say, whatever band you were in 1979? Well, by 79, I was doing solo concerts. Okay.

So this period is 70s. 75 or 74? The Spirit? No, no, no. I mean, just like your pre- pre-solo concert. Pre-27. Pre-Solo concerts.

I was playing in bands and playing piano. And what songs were like hot at the time that you had to have? Oh, you know, Marvin Gay. Okay. And others, I mean, just other stuff.

Yeah, I guess. Stevie Wonder. Here's my prompter here. I've heard a lot of stories. I want to make sure And the thing like. Thank you, Madison. Thank you.

That is amazing. Okay. So I have a question real quick before we move on from Keith Jarrett. So he does that thing where he's sort of singing and grunting. Right. While he's playing. So was that part of the influence on what you're talking about? I had no influence on me at all, his grunting and squealing.

So it was just his bravery up on stage or his improv, his improvising. could walk and sit, I thought it was a very brave act, action on his part, to simply sit at the piano, greet the instrument, and engage in this musical dance that he had with, you know, with that instrument, with that grand instrument. And I wanted to do that as a vocalist. Now, it took me some time to get enough courage to do it and enough stamina to be on stage alone for 90 minutes without any idea of what I was going to play. That's very, very difficult to do. It's funny, though, I made a rule for myself early on

that my first two pieces would be completely improv, complete improvisation. The first piece was easier than the second. The second one was really difficult to do. For some reason, I had the hardest time pushing through that wall of anything, wall of something that stopped me from, from going on.

You know, the first piece is just so easy to sit down. And don't my chair and do, blah, baby, baby, bow. And sometimes my first improvise would be 10 minutes, sometimes it'd be 15 or 20 minutes. Then to stop and re-enter into that improvisational space was, for some reason, a lot harder for me to do this, you know, the second piece.

was very, very difficult. So that became part of my rule. Do the riskiest thing first. Really? Yeah. Well, that one show that you and I did together at Town Hall, I've never in my adult life lost more sleep or had more anxiety about any performance.

And I've been in situations where I've had to give speeches and things I didn't want to do publicly. How do you even prepare for a Bobby McPherson duo? That's the thing. I kind of called and hinted like, okay, so to draw a map, what should I do? And it's just nothing. We'll just, we'll figure it out on stage. And I'm like, wait.

So then it was to the point where I was like going to Jill Newman, like, how much your tickets? Okay, so how much people are these, how much entertainment does a person expect for, blah, blah, blah, $50, right? Right. And $50. Because usually when I plan my shows or whatever, I start with what are the last three songs?

Because in my mind, I'm like, a person in the audience remembers the first 10 minutes, how you come on stage. And even if you have an absolute shit show, if the last three songs are straight, that meant in black flashies them and they forget. And I was just like, well, wait, I only have four things going for me. and I was like, all right, I would have an electronic drum set, a real drum set, and my turntables. And even then, I had, like, five things going forward.

But when you sat down. Once we got into the groove, though, it was over in... It was over in seconds. And this is just you on drums and him on... And him. That's it. Yeah.

Never rehearsed. Never, like, it was just a musical conversation. And by the end, you guys switched. And he got on drums, and you started doing some. Yeah. Where is that video? No, let's talk about that. No, no, no, no.

There's a photo of it somewhere. Anyway, sir, I just want to say. So, by, when I actually discovered you on your second album, the voice. Right. Which, you know, most McFaranites are like, that's their album. assuming that you perfected or at least found a formula, if you will,

on the voice project, previously, like, what notes did you keep? Because I'm assuming that from your very first time that you did a solo show until that point 84 where at least sounded like you were comfortable on that album, what techniques have you learned besides the first and the second song, as far as like breath control and harmony and audience participation.

Well, I was immersed in, well, let me back up. I used to go to my father's recitals. He used to do classical recitals, and he always ended his shows with Negro spirituals. And he had a way on stage where he invited the audience in. It was really genuine and comforting and caring and all these positive words that I can't think of right now. But I loved watching him on stage. He was very easygoing.

And I felt that the best thing for me to be on stage was to be as relaxed as possible and that's a big key to the success of my concerts. You have to relax your audience. They have to feel very comfortable with you. And I allowed them to be participants with me. So it wasn't only myself singing, but it was the audience engaged in singing along with me.

My technique was more than myself. It was me and the audience. You know, what I couldn't do, the audience could do, or they could hear. So they would fill in the blanks. So my solo technique is more about us than me. You know what I mean? Do you have a formula as far as the delivery of set song?

Because even in doing the roll call theme, I was panicking. Like, should I be the drums? Should I be the bass? Should I be the harmony? So is there some sort of polarizing? Because when I hear you sing a song, I can hear the blanks filled in, even the parts that I don't hear.

I hear where you're going. So is it a formula you've established where it's like, okay, I'll do a little vocal here and then establish the bass. No, everything is a surprise. Every note is a surprise. I don't have any rules. I don't have any plan. I enter the stage empty and I exit full.

Is that 100% of the time? That's 100% at the time. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits,

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What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wodom. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best. advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really

give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down,

it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to thanks, Dad, on the IHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm going to ask you a question that I ask most stand-up comedians. because you're up there alone for your solo shows how do you deal with the disruptive or heckler kind of incorporated so that's how you extinguished the fire that's how I deal with it

I just I just take whatever the heckler is heckling me about and musicalize it You know, one time, a guy came in late, and he was sitting in a balcony. And when he sat down, the chair squeaked. So I squeaked, and he squeaked, and I squeaked some more. So he started playing his seat, the squeak.

So I did a duet with the squeak in his seat. That's awesome. You know. So it's almost like you welcome it, because I don't know if you're thinking of a show like oh time eater oh good I have something to eat up this particularly 10 minutes or whatever but so you do you welcome those types of distractions or well is it I guess it does depend but I can honestly say that at least 90% of the time I use whatever is given to me I just take it and incorporate it in whatever the improvisation is

whatever the landscape is, I take it and I use it. So I don't fear anything on stage really. In fact, I'm scared sitting in this chair, just thinking about it. Yeah, just like everything I do, I always have to map it out before I do it. So kudos to you. Well, I used to be that way as a composition student.

You're writing everything down exactly the way that you wanted. And even solos, I would even write the solos out because I wanted to, the solo was to go on a certain direction. But then Miles Davis was playing at a club in Los Angeles called Shelly's Manhole, Shelly Man, the drummer. And the band included Keith Jarrett, Michael Henderson, who was, I think, borrowed from James Brown

or Sly the Family Stone or some. Oh, he was in motel school. He was in motown school. Yeah, yeah. Stevie's a bass player. Right. Well, you're right. Jack D. Janette on drums, Gary Bart on soprano sax.

Miles was sporting some black leather pants and a black shirt playing a black trumpet hooked up to a wah-wah pedal. And when I left the club that night, I literally was walking on air. My feet didn't touch the ground for at least two weeks because I understood what improvisation was from that moment on. I understood it. You know, it's complete musical freedom. You should tell that story, though,

because that's a pretty good story of going to that show. When I arrived to the show, there was a line down the block and around the corner. The place was already packed with people. So the people that were standing in line, and it was just hopeless that you were going to get in. So I'm standing there with my date. A woman walks out of the club,

and for some reason she stopped at me and said, do you, would you like two tickets? And I said, well, yes, I would. So I had my two tickets, walked into the club, and the last two seats were right, next to the bandstand. I mean, just the butted the band stand. So I got a full view of the entire band.

Last two seats. So that was the night that I was introduced to Keith Jared. And the band just blew me away. Was this a bitch's brew tour or something like that? This was Live Evil. Okay. So right before on the corner. Right.

Is that IntuMay time? Yeah. Okay. You should have been there. Was James IntuMe there? Is Percussionist? I don't recall precaution Okay

Yeah James He came in 72 Slightly Yeah this was in February of 71 Yeah right beforehand Yeah So with Well that's good to see that

You were open to that Because then I know many a jazz snob Who You know Depending on who you speak to like former writer

for the village voice your boy Stanley Croutts would have been like yeah whatever you know

but it's it's almost it's good to hear your your perspective of it as a younger well I mean I know that you were

immersed in jazz already haven't grown up in it but you know usually people have different points of view

of of my is the earliest period. Right. Right. So who were your, just as far as your musical idols at the time in the early 70s

as you're finding yourself, like who were your absolute heroes? Picasso. Whoa. Okay. Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. I've drawn, I'm drawing a blank. Keith Jarrett.

Herbie? Well, Herbie for sure. Steven. Wow. That's amazing. So, okay, I want to skip slightly ahead to simple pleasures without mentioning the D word. Yes, yes. Drive my car.

But what I want to know is not that were you shocked at this success, but I'm certain that with the audience that discovered you, And I won't lie. Like, I won't say like, oh, yes, I knew you were Bob McFair the whole time. When I first saw you on the Grammys, I think you're doing round about midnight with Herbie Hancock.

Right. My first response was, yo, that's the Levi's 501 blues guy. Oh, he sings? So the way that audiences have discovered you, were you not slightly dismayed, but I know that it had to have been a weird change. after simple pleasures comes out with the massive success of

Don't worry to be happy whereas now maybe non-jazz fans or non sophisticated music he was on VH1 the video was on VH1 yeah but I'm just saying that

is it is it was it somewhat dismaying for you to have this new audience that really doesn't understand the the art of jazz and what it is that you were about, and you just weren't the,

don't worry, be happy guy. I never, I never really thought of myself as a jazz musician because I did so many different kinds of pieces during an evening. I mean, I might follow up a James Brown piece, you know, seeing the Ave Maria by bar, and follow it up with a Beatles tune, and then follow that up with something just completely wild and crazy

and out of hand and chaotic and rambunctious. and all. So I never thought, I never promoted myself as a jazz singer, though I did sing jazz pieces, you know, of course. What was the process like,

just kind of going back a little bit, to signing your record deal, like how were you able, you know, what was the market like for what you were doing at that time? Because it was really unique, so how to be sold it? Well, after my first album,

which was, you know, traditional, self-titled, Bobby McFair. And after that one, they wanted to make me into the new Al Jouro. I was going to say your first album is rather traditional for what was... Right. So they hired a top Hollywood arranger by the name of Johnny Mandel, who was a fabulous musician. Any relation, Steve? No, but he wrote the MASH theme, I think, also did that, Johnny Mande.

Johnny Mandell. Oh, really? Right, and I was down to Los Angeles working in his studio for about two weeks when at the end of the session I said to him, you know, this doesn't feel right. I don't feel good about the direction that they're pushing me towards. And so I called off that particular project and was immediately summoned into the presidents. office by the name of Bruce Lundval. He had, what was the name of the label? Electrician.

Electra musician. Yeah, I see the logo. And he says, well, Bobby, what's going on? Why didn't you want to do the project? And I said, it's because I have in my heart to do solo pieces, solo concerts, And he asked me what that was. And I tried to explain to him. I said, well, I will just be me recording shows

and improvising. And he says, this is really important to you, is it? And I said, yes, God wants me to do it. Really? Yeah, that's what I said. And that's exactly what Bruce says. Well, we can't argue with God. So he allowed me to do my second album, The Voice.

The way that you wanted to do it. The way that I wanted to do it. You did. there were a few a few acapella-esque songs on the first record. Right. So was that done? All feetes can dance.

Yeah. So I interrupt you. I'm sorry. No, no, no. I was just figuring if maybe that was added after the fact that you had the talk and said this is what I'm more about as opposed to... Right. That's pretty much... I wanted to introduce my audience to the self then I knew that I was.

I think Bruce later was President Blune up at the time when we were doing the Elvis Costello project. That's correct. Bruce also, I think, famously signed Bill Withers to Columbia after

Clarence Avon dissolved success records. So that's how I know Bruce. So for the how did the commercial world discover you

with the Levi's stuff in the ocean spray and all the other I don't really know in the Cosby theme you know all those pieces those those well by the time Cosby came along

you were a household name but I mean just in the beginning I heard your voice on commercials and that sort of thing like ocean spray yeah was it was it Mark, was there marketing geniuses behind us? Like, this is how we're going to promote you?

Or was it just, how do people discover me? I don't know how to answer that. Probably just Linda. Yeah, Linda is probably the answer to that question. Oh, okay. My manager. Okay. So with your, is the project with, wait, wait, before I say anything,

I got to figure out how, Freddie Freeloader was recorded with Al Jaro, John Hendricks, and George Benson. Yeah. Who wrote the lyrics? John Hendricks. How long did it take you to study? Because at the time when I heard it, someone explained to me that you guys literally transposed every solo on the original Miles Davis piece, applied words to it.

Right. And once I, at first I didn't believe it. And then I had to literally get both copies. and go, and I was mind-blown at the commitment that it took. Could you discuss the recording process of recording? Like, was it done in parts, or? It was done, each singer recorded their part individually, you know, in their own studio.

Okay. And I can't remember if I learned the original solo by Tommy Flanagan, or if I, if I studied the words, first. I don't remember. But it took me about four or five days, I think, to get it down.

And what's really interesting is that he left out a verse. He wrote all these words. And I said, well, John, you forgot this verse. And he sat down in the studio and wrote the lyrics out then at that moment. I'm not

on the spot on the spot because he could he could hear words in melody you know he he had this gift of understanding what the melodies were saying so he wrote it out and we recorded it and and it was a delightful it had a delightful outcome it was a good experience did you commit that entire solo to memory or was it like okay i'll do eight bars here and then listen to the original and figure out like punchings and i believe my memory serves me well that i pretty much had it nearly perfectly memorized but i think i even but i think i used the lyrics on a music stand just just in case i should in recording the piece you know have a misstep in my memory and forget certain words but but i think it came off pretty

well yeah that that that is probably bar none my favorite performance of you but i'll say that maybe like it's maybe my top 10 songs of all time because beyond beyond the just beyond the magnitude of hearing you know four very unique vocalists again algero george benson john hendricks and and Bob McFerrin attempt this. John Hendrix is like the father of what they call vocalese. Like they'll often, or you remember we were laughing at Eddie Jefferson doing bitches bruce? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but even Eddie Jefferson fault.

I mean, Eddie Jefferson is more like, I would say he's closer to like Rufus Thomas. If Rufus Thomas were a jazz singer or whatever or ODB, I don't know. but yeah John Hendricks of formerly of Lambert Hendricks and Ross I mean they were like the original

Manhattan transfer slash Booker Tina NG's so is that why because I'm looking up Freddie Freeloader is that is that why only John Hendricks is listed on the song Oh it's on his album

Okay Yeah it's on his album So it's sort of like you know getting the most unique vocals But even George Benson's approach.

That's, and I tell him, that's my favorite. Is this post-simple pleasures or is this pre-simpleasures? You guys did that in 90, I think? I'd like to think it was 1990. I'm not sure. I think we were still living in San Francisco. If it was 90, I wasn't alive. I was like, I had to speak to that.

It was full my time. Yeah, I think. Yeah, 89, 90. That's right. Yeah, around that time. I asked because I was just wondering if we were still in the simple pleasure's bag because you said that you don't consider yourself a jazz vocalist, but I wonder if you consider yourself like a conduit to all music because a lot, sometimes people, I don't know if you're aware of this, but sometimes people learn of other musical genres and songs through you. Well, I would call myself a folk musician. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I like that. You know, music, music of the folk, you know, I try to, whenever I go to different countries, if I have an opportunity to hear, some of the musical styles that come from that culture. I try and incorporate it in my improvs, you know, as well as I can. I've gone to several music schools, you know, in different countries where they would have ensembles play for me and invite me to participate with them. So I would take what I could from that experience,

you know, onto the stage with me and play with the sounds and the scales and, you know. How many countries do you think you've done that in, like, improvising with other cultures like that? Lots. Are there any that have stumped you? Stumped me.

Like, what's been the hardest to incorporate? Language-wise, too, right? I was an Indian. Like, that's quarter-tow. That's a good question. I can't think of any off the top of my head. be stumped. The man

who is stumped You're funny You can't be stumper's meet One man dare to Up Yeah Did you see

Red pepper Yes we often fall into rabbit holes on this show Wait you're the one that put the link up right? Yeah yeah I got to meet that dude man Yeah the guy that does Yeah, it's a brother in London that does like all that stuff. That voice, the scary, uh... In a world where so-and-so gets.

Oh, I thought that was a white man with a mustache. No. It was a guy. It was. He died. He died. Okay. But he looks like Ving Rames now.

Oh, wow. Good to know. But has a polite cockney accent. Yeah. Cockney accent. Yeah. I think I'd sit it right. That's right.

Yeah. Don't have us out on these streets saying crazy shit, Custloff. I'm great. I'm great, man. So, okay, now I guess I will bring up the D word. At what point did you realize that this song was going beyond just having a hit single and that... What song are we talking about? DWBA.

Yes, DWB8. Ah, yeah. We got... We got a. We got a. That's what the chat to tell is going to be. You know, I showed the shirt that he had on? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I gave it to Solange. You did? Yeah, they laughed at it. He had a shirt that said, don't worry, Beyonce. Yeah, I saw that. It was my shirt, but I made him wear it for a photo up. That's hilarious. Yeah, they got a kick out, man.

Yeah, so, I mean, was there a point where you, because assuming that you took it out your repertoire or if you ever, I don't know if you ever performed it live in concert or whatever, but I haven't performed that song live in concert since November of 1988. Wow. Why are you so specific with the, oh. Because the tune came out the September, the September before that, I believe.

30 year anniversary. Oh, man. It's a, yes, it's a 30 year. I'm late, sorry, math. But why specifically November? Like, what's the significance of? I just remember that when I started doing solo concerts, that I refused to do that piece on stage

because I wanted the audience to know me as an improviser. Right. You know, so I didn't want to, you know, be falling back on that tune all the time or have them expected. They grew up. out of it over time, you know, they said, well, he's not going to do that. He's not going to do that time because he doesn't do it anymore. And I just don't do it. You still get asked at like every

show, though. Do you make mean faces when they ask or you just say, no, I don't make faces. I just say, no, I probably won't do it. I occasionally might hint to the melody in the middle of an improv, you know, it might come up. But I don't intentionally do it. And the only exceptions that I make or for kids you know for kids that say would you sing that song I might sing the chorus you know a chorus or something I've probably heard you sing like

one verse in my entire life wow something like that okay next show I'm bringing like five kids the only time I've ever seen you do some of it in a show setting was one time when we were on tour

and there was a kid who was severely disabled who asked and so then I think you did like a verse and a chorus. But we did it in like a samba style or something like that. Like it wasn't the same. Like, it tooka-tac-tac-tac-tac-tic-a-d-da-da-ba. What's that?

That might be, don't Herbie B. Hancocked. Did nobody ask you to circle around, around the, I hate to bring it on a downturn, but on the death of Robin Williams? Did anyone want to? asked you to bring it back around during that era, then the time of the death of Robert Williams since the video. No, the weirdest request I ever had to do that tune was they, one year at the Academy Awards,

they wanted me to sing that song to the losers. And I said, are you out of your mind? You want me to sing that song on national television to the losers? You got to be ridiculous. That's totally ridiculous. Speaking of which, you hold the dubious honor of winning both record and song of the year. In a time in which I thought that Man in the Mirror was going to be Michael Jackson's redemption from losing the five awards of the previous year for the bad awards. And he didn't, I was, I was elated and happy that you won.

What was your, when, did you feel as though, like you had a chance or was it just like, I didn't, I didn't really pay much, much attention to it. Yeah, you scattered your thank you thing and I was like, is that the year that. I used to watch it all the time like, Amir, stop hitting your chest like that. Is that the year that Michael sent you Beatles albums as like a congratulations? or something like that. Oh, he's good to worry about it. I wouldn't have known about the Beatles

if it wasn't for Bobby McFerran, not for nothing. I would have took me a little longer. I will say that. Like, your drive my car was like, oh, and then I heard theirs. I was like, oh, they did it too? Right. All right, I'll be honest.

Yeah, I'll say that 90% of the Beatles catalog, I discovered. Through covers. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, Blackbird. They did it too?

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know Blackbird. Bird was a Beatles song for a very long time. And what's weird is I still consider his version. The definitive version. It's a very good version. Yeah.

Even when McCartney still does it now. And in my head, I can't imagine anyone not singing the, it's hard to go to the, I've lost my voice. Speaking of losing your voice, how do you handle sickness on the road? and I use what voice I've got if I've got two octaves I just use the two octaves how many octave what's your octave range four that's

that's when I'm at my health I'm about say translate that for me yeah I was a pretty helpful you I mean your octave range is I mean the average person I'm sure me Steve me is a two octave range I'm sure a singer maybe

font taken maybe Yeah, because he sings in his, so maybe three, but when you're dealing with four and five octave range, that means you're special. So. Hello, everybody. Aren't we special? You are. Have you ever had offers for Saturday morning cartoons and voiceovers and stuff like that? Like, but a regular series, not just like a...

No. I can tell him you should do it, though. I've been telling him that he needs to do it for the... the longest because this man. He's been doing it. Yes, but this man gives the best story time ever. Which leaves you, Madison McFarron. I had him read me stories until I was 12 years old. In bed. Because it was like, and I wouldn't even have my mom read me stories because she couldn't do all the voices. It wasn't, it wasn't the same thing. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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how are you, when are you processing what you're in? Because you're the youngest of this brood. And I'm certain that your brothers are even, via trickle-down talent, are just as spontaneous and creative as he was. Like, how are you processing the situation that you're in? I didn't realize the magnitude of who he was or what he could do until I got to college. Wait.

Say what? I knew you before then. Yeah. You met me my freshman year of college, first semester. So before then he was just, oh, that's dad? Yeah, pretty much. You didn't listen to the records? You didn't realize it.

Well, see, here's the thing. My friend pointed this out to me, and I hadn't even realized until she did. I guess she got asked in a class one. once they were talking about my dad. She mentioned that she knew him. And this is a friend of mine who I've known since we were three. And the professor was like, oh, what's it like knowing him? And she said, oh, he makes noise all the time.

Uh-uh. And I didn't even recognize that that was a thing until she pointed that out to me because he is, in fact, making noise all the time. And when your dad is just making noise all the time. It's regular. Yeah, it doesn't register as something that's like particularly unique or particularly different or strange. Like, I didn't realize, I didn't listen to. his music as a musician until I got to college.

And then all of a sudden I was like, oh, wow, this is very difficult to do. But this is somebody who, like, I have been going to shows of his as long as I can remember. And so it's just like normal. So I want to ask, how can you take someone serious that's like, have your ass home by 10? That's also like, whee-de-l-l-l-like. He was never really the enforcer of that. That was my mom. So I didn't really have to.

He was asleep. He goes to bed at like 9 o'clock. He was kind of the, yeah, he was in terms of good cop, bad cop dynamic, he's the good cop. Okay, okay. Slash the cop who's on the road all the time. So mom has to be bad cop and good. Like in my mind, you're, and I said it, even the day where I first met you and your brothers, like, you guys are like the animanics. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty accurate.

And he's Dr. Uh, robot. The one you never see. The one that lives in the tower with them. So yeah, so to you, did you know that you wanted to sing as well or just? I decided I wanted to be a singer when I was five. And I don't know if that was,

it definitely wasn't because, like, my parents were like, oh, you're going to be a singer. I think it was like I saw my dad was a singer and he enjoyed doing it. I liked going to shows. I liked singing with him. And I was like, oh, if dad can do it, I can do it. And then I kind of just didn't question that thought,

which I'm curious about as an adult, like if that was really, I mean, I still loved doing it, but it was very much like, oh, I'm going to be a singer, and then I just didn't question that decision. It inclines as you get older. Right, exactly. How are you all making decisions at age five and six? I don't even remember deciding anything at that age.

Before that, I wanted to be a tightrope walker. Okay. There you know. Okay. That's a little more. Yeah. Even that's his influence. How does it feel Bobby?

It's funny because I just saw Madison show for the first time, even though I've known her for a few years now. I'm like, but I just saw her for the first time this year. And it is so derivative of you, but also just like her own fresh tape. What does that? Yeah. Like, what does that feel like watching your kids do that? Well, I'm glad that they have taken what I've done and expanded on it, you know, and have developed it to, you know, to, to something that

that I'm I feel like I'm a part of it you know what whatever they do I feel like I'm a part of it because of the influence I guess I've had on them in the musical field slash literal DNA

but you know I got I got yeah right but it's also too your father and your mom it's all trickle down and so it must be sometimes you have a conscious moment of like

Oh, my God. My parents were in a Broadway. I can't remember if it was a Broadway show in 1949 called Lost in the Stars. Do you know this piece? No. Yeah, Lost in the Stars. I've got an old program that someone found

with the cast of characters and at the bottom of the list is Robert McFerrin Villager. So he had a small role. And my mother was in the chorus. And so they had a chance to sing together. I remember earlier in my childhood, they were away a lot, which I didn't like.

I was very lonely for them as a kid. But we eventually ended up in Los Angeles. Do you have any other siblings or just you? I have a sister. Okay. Who's also a senior? Really? Yeah.

still currently in and out of jobs the life of a musician it can be really tough especially in musical maker like Los Angeles okay how do you get

other people out of their comfort zone because my introduction of the yo-yo mom was through you but then seeing him in his regular environment in such a strict disciplined atmosphere is classical music.

I mean, you're really pulling him towards the jazz world almost. You know, doing improvising and soloing. So, one, how do you do you plan all your collaborations that way? Like, let's just throw some spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks.

Well, with Yo-Yo, we just brought it, we didn't know what the album was going to sound like. We just got together. and had a stack of music. Yeah, I remember we must have had hundreds of pieces and we just went through them and said, well, let's try this, try that. And I had also written five pieces, I think,

for the album. And so we just kind of went through a lot of material and we worked on my stuff. I think it took about a week to record all this material. And I sensed from playing with him that he could improvise if he wanted to, just because of the spirit of his behind his playing. He had a very strong spirit.

And I could tell that he would make a great improviser. And I kept telling him so. I said, you can do this, you can. So what I did to aid him was give him some points for him. him to play to, you know, and then once he played to that point, then I would direct into another point and have him play to that point. And I knew he could handle it, even though he probably doesn't improvise much anymore. I really don't know. He has a group called the Silk Road Project. Okay. And it's music gathered from various cultures that he's brought together as an ensemble

and I'm not sure exactly how he works within that ensemble but I hope that he's doing some improv. Do you feel as though that your influence on him has caused him to step outside of his comfort zone? Yeah. Maybe a little. Maybe a little. The Voiceistra project,

which, you know, as far as the phrasing, as far as the phrasing is concerned and the arrangements, how did you tackle that particular? Because I don't, I would assume that nothing on that album or any of your projects with Voices Strait was spontaneous. Like it took. So how many people to get? Particular is 12.

Yeah. So as far as writing parts, like as far as rehearsal and all that. Well, you're referring to vocabularies, that project. I'm sorry. I said voice is true. Yes, vocabularies. Yeah, how many, I read that it was over 1,200 vocal tracks. There were a lot of vocal tracks, yeah. And everything on that project was done by the voice?

Was done by voice, yes. What does that mean? There's a project. Have you ever heard of vocal sampling from Cuba? Yes, I have. Okay, yeah, like, I thought vocal sampling from, they were, it was like three cousins and three, brothers almost like the take six story but they're in Cuba but when they do percussion

I swear to God it was the real thing like I thought I made them prove to me that it was actually yeah and but this how as far as engineering and all that stuff is that just you and Linda and your engineers just project began I worked with an arranger by the name of Roger Trees, and he went through the voice sister files. He just went through everything. He listened to all the solo, the improvisational concerts that we did,

and he found certain themes and developed them. And he's responsible for all of the arrangements. I think we worked on the project for a good two years. Yeah. Yeah. And he would record, say, the basses for a while, and then he would record another group, you know, the tenors and the altos and soprano. So he did them one group at a time.

Sorry, I was coughing. And with my part, he would simply put the recording on a loop. So, you know, for example, he wanted a fourth. funky bass line. So he would have me sing a funky bass line for eight bars and then he'd loop it around. So I would do 28 bass lines and then he'd choose the one that he wanted to work off of. And that's pretty much how we work. I'd just go into the studio and he'd say, I need a new melody for this line. And so I would just sing that melody or that line a multitude of times. And then he would, would take it, work on it, and expand and develop it.

And that's pretty much how we worked on it. So is physically only 12 people? There's probably more than 12, but I'm not sure how many. Voices Stras. Voices are 12. The Voices of the performing group is 12 people. Has the vocabulary project ever done anything live? Well

A couple pieces Say La Deo No It was like a garden Right Like when we went to Poland That time There was that group that did some stuff

Right From like two pieces from it From goodanks With me I've forgotten question. No, I was just wanting to know. Happens here all the time. Does it?

Yes. Yes. It really does. No, I just, I'm trying to imagine you guys recreating any of those songs. Yeah. To that level. Yeah. There is a group, I think it's called, they're called, are they called Stix?

St.Y-X? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The rock hit. Yeah, the rock group. Yeah. Is that, is that? No, you're thinking of penitonics.

No, I'm not thinking of pentatonics. Oh, the German group. Oh, the German group. that was in Poland with us. Right. I think they were called sticks, but not the rock. Another sticks?

Yeah. Jesus. I forgot about pentatonic, though. I actually heard over the holidays pentatonic, I guess they came out with a Christmas album or something like that. That's the only time I hear from them.

Right. And I was in Bloomingdale's, and they're playing only Christmas music and all of a sudden I hear the don't worry, be happy theme, and it's not him. You know, and so I recorded a video of myself being like, oh goodness, what is this? All of a sudden, all of a sudden, it goes from, thank God I was recording myself

because it goes from the Don't Worry Be Happy theme into Slaybell's Ring. And I was like, the shock on my face was, I'm still shocked. I don't know how to deal with it. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions,

my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes,

creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind. the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network. on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft,

and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits,

teams look for, to the biggest mistakes franchises make, to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode.

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It's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day. And I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really close. give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where

you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

You did a song, it was a couple years ago, a minute ago, for a Pixar short. Nicknack. Nicknack. Is that out? Can I like, but I love that song. Is it out? Is it out? I mean like, can you purchase it or can you email it to me?

I think even way. They spoke of it as in his rough vocal was actually wound up being the final vocal. Yeah, yeah. And that was, I forget which one was it? That was in. Came before Finding Nemo. It was Finding Nemo, yeah, because my son. Your favorite.

Oh, that should be around there. It should be around. You had actually done it in the 80s, though, right? The original one. Right. And then they brought it back. They did. For Finding Nemo.

Oh, you're supplying me with a fresh cup of tea. Yeah. Thank you, Covemore. Is that for me or is that for you? It's for you. I'm not even going to touch it. It's for you. Oh, thank you so much.

It's no problem. We. Thank you. Is there a spoon from this? Yes. We actually saw that together that we saw Finding Nemo together, just the two of us. And Nickknack came on, which apparently, side note, in the original one, and the mermaid's boobs are a lot bigger.

And so they shrunk them for the Disney movie. A little more PG. And at the end of NICNAC, in big letters, it says Bobby McFarren. And my dad just leaned over and he was like, I wonder what he's doing right now. That's so dope. I love that song.

Immediately when I was seeing it and then here, I was like, that's Bobby. It's got to be him. And then when it came out of the end, I was like, That's cool. You had a really good Finding Nemo experience

I mean Because I had a very horrible Finding Nemo experience How is that possible Long story Long story Was it a date that fell

Went bad No that's when Prince Fired me and played Finding Nemo instead Wow That was right Yeah yeah

I remember that was hilarious Like you're so bad I want to put This DVD in the club. Finding Nemo's a great movie though, so you know. I wasn't big on Dori, though. Dory was kind of like... I thought it was a decent follow-up.

I thought it was a decent follow-up, but like Finding Nemo is definitely. No, that's the one. Pixar kind of been. They got to get back on. I don't, yeah, I don't know if I can trust their... Because now everything's just getting like top-tier, rotten tomato ratings. Well, with the exception of cars,

cars and they hate cars. That was the one that printed money. Well, because they made, you know, merchandise. Yeah, Lightning McQueen. He's actually, to circle it background, he's wearing a Monster Zink shirt right now. Right now. Oh, and then if it went so cold and here we do. Yeah.

From your visit at Pixar. I see. That's right. I want to talk about the paper music project. Okay. First of all, did you, were you conducting and singing at the same time? Or was that just? On concerts, I would conduct and sing at the same time,

which I really didn't like doing it. I was like, how can you do that? Because that's... Well, the pieces would have to be, they'd have to be, first off, not very complicated. They'd have to be something that the orchestra could play by themselves. So you would still conduct them by hand

and still turn the page and still sing your solos? Yeah, pretty much. What did you, I mean, am I just to assume that you learned the art of conducting back when you were in? I'm about to say, Juilliard six. No, what happened, what happened was, as my 40th birthday was approaching, I wanted to give myself a special gift. And I went through a list of all kinds of ideas. And I had written down conducting on that list. And so I started attending.

I was living in San Francisco at the time I started attending concerts, classical concerts, and would end up backstage, and I'd drop hints. You know, I'd say, boy, it'd be great to conduct you one day. Wait a minute. I'm sorry, because you just said that, and I'm in my 40th birthday, and the only option I was thinking of like, are we doing Sylvia's or Red Buster? I never once thought. Bobby thinks bigger, deeper.

Nah, for real. Yeah. Jesus. So I finally got a phone call from the orchestra, inviting me to conduct them. This is after, of course, don't worry, be happy, so they're thinking pension fun and all that kind of stuff. Right. And so... Is this why you moved to Minnesota?

Or is this because you were in Minnesota? No, I wasn't in Minnesota yet. Okay. eventually I got there through conduct. You know, it was all about conducting. Anyway, so they invited me to conduct them, and my 40th birthday was available, so I conducted Beethoven 7th on my 40th birthday.

That was my conducting debut. And as far as I was concerned, that was all the conducting I was going to do. I mean, it was a really difficult thing to do. That's what I'm saying. How did you know how to just... Well, I studied. I studied the score.

And I had a couple of teachers. I had some lessons with Seiji Ozawa, one with Leonard Bernstein. I ended up working on a continual basis with my conducting teacher, Gustav Meyer, who passed about a year ago. We went to the score, so I knew it pretty well.

I conducted the piece, and then I thought I was done. But I started getting phone calls. They started calling Linda. Can we get him to conduct our... to our city and conduct our orchestra. So all of a sudden I found myself with all these conducting engagements. And when I was conducting the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra

in Minneapolis, there was a position open. And I asked for it because I wanted to, at this point, I'm serious about conducting. I want to learn the art of conducting. So I asked for the position and got it and stayed with a simple, stayed with the chamber for seven seasons. Can you explain us exactly what goes into conducting

because it just looks like it's just you waving a baton but it's got to be more than that. No, it's about your entire body. I mean, the way you look at an orchestra can influence their playing. It's the gestures of the body. You display the music that's being played through your body.

You inform your orchestra what you want by the motion of your hands, the gestures of the of your body, you know, smiling at them, scowling at them or whatever. But it takes a lot of work. It's tedious work, at least it was for me. And after 18 years of doing it, I decided to stop. So you, that's a challenge, that was like a challenge that made you think twice about it. Well, I really do love it.

I love conducting Mozart most of all. He's a very impish kind of character. He tells lots of musical jokes. He's very playful and boisterous and serious and deep. I conducted a piece of his that he wrote when he was Aiden. For the life, for me, I can't think of the name of it. It was a short symphony. about 50 minutes in length, but it's a piece that he wrote

when he was eight years old, and when you listen to it, you wonder how can an eight-year-old have those kinds of, have this deep emotional depth of understanding of the human condition, you know? The emotions that he discovered through music was pretty profound. I couldn't understand how he could write something so deep at eight

but he was that well-developed musician and he burned out in his 30s you know after writing some incredible music he's my favorite to get a dark

the world of classical music is so disciplined do you feel as though maybe perhaps it rarely allowed any sort of spontaneity well you know a surprise me standing in front of an orchestra, a full orchestra with eight bases. And during this time I was doing, I'd open up with a classical piece or two, and then I'd do a solo set, and then that concert, then there'd be an intermission,

and then there'd be a classical piece, you know, Beethoven piece, or Bernstein, or something. something would take place in the second half. And I remember walking over to the bass section and one by one asked if one of them would be interested in playing a B-flat blues with me and none of them could do it. Wow. And that blew me away.

Because I thought, how can you not give me a B-flat blues so I can improvise on top of that? I just thought every bass player could, you know, either classically trained or not could play a B-flat, a blues in B-flat. Yeah, I think what classical musicians, they condition themselves to read on the spot. That's why I call it paper music, because they live on the page. Sarcasm and humor of work in this case. All right.

But I love classical music. Well, you live in between worlds because you, I assume that you can read on site. or given five, ten minutes to recap it. Right, yes. So, I mean, do you, when that blew your weight, like they didn't even know the technical notes to do like the one chord and then the four chord and the five one?

Well, that wasn't true of all orchestras. There were some that could, you know, play blues and B-flat, but lots of things shocked me about that world. It's very, very different. Everything is organized. Everything has to be discussed, even down to what are we going to wear?

I conducted concert versions of Porgy and Bess, and I wanted the orchestra and the chorus to be as colorful as possible. I didn't want the black and white suits and all that kind of stuff, you know, choir or wearing black and white, whatever. I didn't want that. I said, wear everything.

We're African garb, just be colorful. because we're talking about catfish row here. We're talking around a village of people. So they didn't walk around in suits and ties. They walked around in bare feet and patches on their clothes and different colors. You must have loved it. So as soon as the chorus would come in, even before we played a note, the audience knew that something was up, something wonderful was going to happen.

Just because of the way everyone looked, even the orchestra. But they had to have meetings. about this kind of stuff. What do you mean wear color? What colors? And I say many many colors. Short sleeve, long sleeve. I say, I don't care.

Gene, slacks. Doesn't matter. I don't care. You know? Free. You're free. Just play. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep. That's me.

Clever Taylor the Fourth. You might have seen The skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment.

And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest, the director of the NFL's

East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make, to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else.

If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, for wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity

scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in someone, correct? I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were. being used for.

Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Gillespie and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police.

As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over. until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield. And in this new season of The Girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends.

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Woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come. Look for us. up-and-coming talent.

He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there.

Yeah. It would not be. Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Madison, what was this like for you growing up? Because you seemed, it seems like he would be like the coolest dad ever.

Well. Did he allow you to express yourself like that as well? Yeah. We were always really encouraged to express ourselves in whatever ways. They are the animaniacs. more so than the smallets they're passing small ones what?

Yeah I have no idea what you're talking about The smallets Journey smollett The family We had them on the show Like the whole family You know the Tasmanian devil

Cloud of chaos I just see that with the four of them together The little girl from Eve's Bayou I was trying to give him a I'm like What's the list Well I mean it was interesting

And like similar to what I had mentioned earlier about not really putting two and two together until I got to college, we were always going to shows. We were always going to whether it was a solo show or a classical show. You know, I just remember being little and needing to like sit on my mom's jacket because I wasn't big enough to see the stage type of thing, you know. And this was in San Francisco. This is where you grew up. I'm, well, we moved from San Francisco when I was just under three and then I did like, like elementary school in Minneapolis.

And then pretty much middle school and high school in Philadelphia. But it was another one of those things where you really take for granted that, like, I'm not thinking about the fact that, oh, all my friends aren't going to see classical shows like every other weekend. You know, like that didn't, that really didn't compute. And it also didn't connect because, you know, he was gone a decent amount on the road. and my two best friends, one of them, her dad was a like a consultant who was on the road all the time

and the other one, her mom was a businesswoman who was on the road all the time. So I was kind of like, oh, a parent is gone. That's just kind of the vibe, you know? And what did your mom, she was not a singer or anything like that, no music, not at all? No, my mom has wonderful taste in music.

She ain't singing than that. She's not singing. Apparently the world's best fried chicken. It's very, very, very, very, Very, very, yes. Yes. We can attest to that. And she's from the West Coast?

No, she's from Illinois. Okay. But apparently, I mean, Dad can say this better than I can, but apparently one of the things that caught his eye when they met in 75 is that when he went to her apartment, and this is a white woman, she had a copy of Downbeat magazine in her apartment. Yes, she did. And so.

That's right. I said, do you read Downbeat? But she is a different, kind of artist in the sense of she is an incredible interior designer and has an eye for that kind of detail. But she always says that if she could sing, she'd be a blues singer. So if she had a voice, she would want to do that. But that is not what she does. But I think it's actually better that way, since he is such a virtuoso.

I feel like having two musician couple. No, it's crazy. No, that ain't the way to be a lawyer if not. No, for real. So, like, have y'all collaborated yet? We are, I'm in his band, in one of his bands with him, um, called Spirit You All. So we did about two years of touring together, which was really fun.

I said I essentially got paid to travel the world and laugh. And laugh because we would, something would happen on stage it. We would get to laughing so hard so deep, we couldn't even look at each other. Yeah, it was bad. His sound guy, Dan Vicari, he, after one show, he told me he was like, if something happens, like, you can't look at your dad because you guys will look at each other and he'll fall out and it'll turn into a whole thing. But we definitely have a way of setting each other off. I actually recently found a photo of the two of us sitting at the piano when I'm probably like six or something and we're both making silly faces and it pretty much sums up. That show's dynamic.

Yeah, pretty much. What was your training? Like, did you, were you formally trained or did you just kind of pick it up yourself? A little bit of both. Brack on yourself, Madison. I started taking piano lessons when I was, well, like three or four or something like that. But then when we moved to Philadelphia, I still took up lessons, but I wasn't as serious about it. And then I also took drum lessons simultaneously and same vibe wasn't as serious.

And same thing. I took quarter lessons and wasn't a serious about it. I have a wooden recorder that my dad got me. That's pretty legit. How were you when you did that? 10 or 11, something like that. To 12. I could play pretty well.

I was decent. I wasn't like the squeaky because I, you know, they play that in school and I would always have to be put to the side because it was like, you, this is past or this is below your pay grade. essentially. Every single school. I couldn't. I mean, they never gave it to me, but I guess I probably could. I would have to like sit in the hallway

while everybody else was learning something else because they were like, here's a more advanced piece that you can figure out for yourself. But I always knew I wanted to be a singer. So I was like in choirs and in high school, I was like in the aquapella group

in the choir and the madrials like and all that stuff. So I was singing every day of the week pretty much. And then we'd sing in the house, not anything like formally. And anytime he had a show that I was at, we always would do some kind of duet together.

But definitely the most formal training I got was probably at Berkeley after the fact. Does Taylor sing as well? I know he produces, but does he? He's just dipping into the singing. Into the singing. Because he definitely, he steered away from doing what dad does.

and I think as the oldest, it was kind of like, I'm trying to prove that I'm not my dad type of thing. So he's just now dipping into it, whereas Javon and I both were active in choirs and stuff, but Javon also always wanted to be an actor. Oh, okay, okay. I was the only one of his record. I went to Germantown friend school.

Oh, all right. Javon went to Kappa. Okay, okay. Yeah. Wait, why Philadelphia? That's the question. Was it just like coming to America like, oh, Philly.

No, it's the winters, man. It was the winter. Minnesota was pretty bad, I can imagine. And you chose Philadelphia. It's better than Minnesota. I was invited by the Philadelphia Orchestra to conduct them in April. Ah. And so I'm sitting with my sound man Dan on an outdoor cafe with the trees blooming and everything.

And I called up my wife and I said, maybe we should think about it. because we were thinking about moving that we didn't know where. I said, well, let's take a look at Philadelphia. There were also black people. And they were also. Not a black piece. No, no Prince Runnings in Minnesota, nothing? No.

No trips to Paisley Park? Oh, yeah, we went to Paisley Park. Oh, okay. Have you ever played with him or done one of his jam sessions? No, but he's come to a couple, I think, a show or two of mine. Oh, okay. Didn't you see him in a club once or something like that? Saw him in a club.

We met and talked for a little bit. I did a show in L.A. They cleared out the balcony so that he could sit in the balcony alone so he could watch me in peace. And that was, he was a very, I wish I had gotten to know him. He was a very quiet, he had a very quiet voice. It was very small. But he had such a presence about him, you know.

And it would have been great to have sat down with him as we are and just talk about music and talk about our lives and stuff. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft,

and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes, mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar.

This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.

The family court hearings that followed. revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so-ins, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected.

They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg, a lesbian, Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues,

Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Maricopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's two golden rules. that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends,

Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed.

I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Vodam.

My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and The Big Money Players Network, It's Will Farrell My dad gave me the best advice ever I went and had lunch with him one day And I was like And dad I think I want to really give this a shot

I don't know what that means But I just know the groundlings I'm working my way up through And I know it's a place they come Look for up and coming talent He said if it was based solely on talent I wouldn't worry about you Which is really sweet

Yeah He goes but there's so much luck involved And he's like Just give it a shot He goes but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be

that. There's a lot of luck. Yeah. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So in finding your, your voice, especially for, for your projects, like how much, not nerve, or how did you deal with any reservations you had with sharing your music with your family, let alone the world, but just. Well, thankfully I got, I used to be really nervous when I would sing, especially in high school,

but then when I was in college, I was in a band called Cosmodrome and we played a lot. You went to Berkeley. I did go to Berkeley. What was that like? Because that's a very doggy, dog world of... Oh, no. Her eyes are closed and she's thinking.

Wait a minute. About it, okay, Berkeley? I feel like... Burkley. I feel like... Oh, wait. Berkeley is a place where... I think I had a very interesting experience being my father's daughter that I was slightly

unprepared for just because, you know, you go to college and you want to kind of be anonymous and figure out your own stuff. And even though... So you got outed, like, the first year? I was outed before I even got there. Who outed you? Apparently, there were people who were talking... Administration.

Yeah, administration had been, like, telling people that I was going to be there. Proud. And so I... That does a person a disservice, though. Right. And so it was this thing where, like, you know, obviously there's a little bit of, you know,

it's cool, unpopular type of thing. But then it was also this thing of, Can you get a CD of your daddy? Like that kind of thing. But also, you know, like people introducing themselves and the first thing they would ask me is like, how's your dad doing? And I'm like, you don't want to know.

Right, exactly. And so it really ended up giving me a lot of hesitation towards getting to know certain people because... You don't know what their motivation is. And at the same time, it's like, like I'd mentioned, it's like I hadn't really listened to him as a musician until I got there. So it's like people are freaking out.

Because they've been studying him all his, all in their life. Right, right. They're freaking out. And I'm like, yo, this is just my dad. And, like, he's a really wonderful father. And, like, that's cool that you really admire him. But, like, I'm still trying to figure out my stuff. People would automatically assume that I was, like, a really good scatter.

And it's like, no, like, that's not what I do. Damn, did you ever meet later? Did you ever bring your daddy home from workday? Like, that's the thing is. He helped me move into my college dorm room, you know? And so then people are like, oh, my God, Bob McFarren is, like, in 150. Like, what's happening? That's them with the Tupperware.

Right. Well, wait, do you know your story sounds similar to Layla Hathaway in that way? That doesn't surprise me. Yeah, yeah. Except her dad wasn't near to set up right. I was like, you didn't have to finish that sentence. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm awkward. I love you, Layla. I actually DM'd her on Instagram one time because I was like, I'm happy to see like fellow daughters of, you know. God. Yeah.

Here you're doing stuff. Do you God? Did she hit you? Did she hit you back? Yeah, she did. We follow each other. Okay.

But yeah, so I had, I was able to, like, do the cosmodrome thing and then I still knew. That was how I discovered you actually. Well, because that's when I was still doing my music blog. You were doing your music blogs. And I, and Amir actually was like, oh, if you write about foreign exchange, Fonte will probably like, Holly back. Yeah. I saw it.

And I was like, and the thing was, though. Wait, did you ever get that album 100? I did. She did. The 100th album was Timpipa Butterfly. Was number 100. You know what? I knew all 99.

I didn't know what your 100 record was. Yeah, because the thing was, I didn't even know, I didn't find out who you were until afterwards. Like, I was just reading your blog. Like, you did I join? I was like, okay, let me see what else she does. So then I was just following your blog. It wasn't until later on that I realized that, oh, that's Madison McFairnerner.

I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, some people, it takes a while for them to put the, connection together. I don't know if it's because I'm light-skinned or what, but it's like some people. I thought it was then like, because you would put up pictures like on Instagram and which of your mom and you and your mom have like the exact same. Dude, it's like for real. Wait, so can I ask the question because the first time I met Madison was with you Amir and she was already singing live on stage. She was about to sing for Roots Picnic and sing some of the parts.

Damn, that's right. I forgot. We did work together. Yeah. So what may you go, Madison, come over here, sing, come to the Roots Picnic and how did that work? Well, because that was background for Dela. Okay. Okay. So that's what I was trying to put together. Okay. I know she sings a lot of singers.

You know, you're from Philly. There's no method to my math. You come on here real quick. And that's how it was. You asked me like a week before it happened or something like that. It was like very. I prepare very late. And I realized like, oh, someone's going to have to sing these De La songs and it won't be me.

But no, that was. And I definitely like, it took me forever to meet you. Yeah. So I purposely hid from him forever. So you said that real fast. You were singing backgrounds for Daylaw, but I'm going to just, that just happened. Well, just at the Roots Picnic and then another time. On Fallon.

Oh, on Fallon. And then there was like a Super Bowl Budweiser party thing. Damn, we did a lot of shows. Yeah. But that was before I was even doing solo stuff. I just started doing solo stuff about two years ago. So that was, but I thankfully had enough practice under my belt. and had played music for my family and my friends to be able to be like, okay, let me do this.

What was that like, like playing music for your family? I mean. Like the solo stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I was really, I mean, this was the first time that I was releasing solo music and I was really happy with what I had come out with. And the fact that it was acapella stuff actually made me a little more comfortable, which I think some people probably would assume that,

I would be less comfortable playing it for my dad. But for me, it was more like, oh, I have this amazing resource to be like, what do you think of this music that is completely derivative of you? And you have been around the block a few times. And even, like, I did the first one by myself using his studio. After he'd go to sleep, I'd like, sneak. No, I wouldn't. Don't touch my studio.

No, I wasn't sneaking. He knew I was doing it, but I was. Like he goes to bed at nine, and so I'd be in there from like 10 to 4. And so then the second time around, I was much more. Well, time out. You wake up at 4 o'clock in the morning? No, I get up between 5.30 and 6. But I had to go to bed.

Oh, you're serious. Oh, it's cool. I forgot. I forgot. Well, no, I wasn't in school anymore. She was like, I like sleep. Change you. Yeah.

What's that? I don't know. But then the second time around, I was much more with Finding Foundations Volume 2, I was even that much more intentional with having him be a part of the process and just while I was making it be like, what do you think of this? What are your arrangement notes? Like, do you think I should take something out? Do you think I should put something in? And there were definitely some key parts.

Is it hard to be honest? Is it hard to be honest because the one thing in life I can't do is give critique. I'd rather end a friendship. You've never given Don critique? I'm just saying in a family sense. Never. I don't critique nobody. I hate doing vocals.

That's right. Like I just, I, I, oh. So you're saying you don't critique in terms of like while you're recording or like after a record is done. Just period. Like if someone comes like, give me your honest opinion. Like, if I discover your music, it's because I actually like you. Gotcha.

And I dig you. But, you know. But so if somebody's like, give me your honest opinion on this, you don't, you just like, no. I found that out very early because I asked him an opinion about something. And he was like, I don't do that. And I was like, all right. No, but I love it. I mean, you know.

I mean, this was also like six, seven years ago. Questilove does not do emotions well. Right. It's not change. Sorry. Is this safe. So what's next around the bin for you? I have produced music.

in the works. Okay. So with tracks and... Right, yeah. But that was stuff. See, this is the thing. I wrote this produced stuff before I wrote the Acapela stuff.

But I, similar to my dad, had a vision of me being on stage by myself. And so, but I can't play all these other instruments. And I don't, even though I can play the piano,

I don't feel super confident playing singing at the same time, even though that's how I wrote the songs that are going to be produced. And so I was like, oh, snap, I need something else if I'm going to do these solo shows. And so I wrote some Acapella tunes with my loop pedal. And I was like, oh, these are pretty cool. I'll record these and then just put these out. All those loops are programmed inside your loop pedal?

When I do it live. But when I record them, I record each track individually. Each track is doubled. I don't want them no shade of nobody else. but watching Madison on stage is like watching what Erica trying to do with her machine on stage, but then you kind of just execute it in a... Erica's using the machine? She's...

Sometimes she used a machine on stage, but you executed like it's the way it's supposed to be... I'm not, but... Erica, put that machine down, please. Yeah. That was your compliment, Madison, but I just didn't know how to not... Tune Yards. That's a chick that, like, really doing it. That was actually the first time I saw somebody.

Hughes Lute Pettel was at Roots Picnic when Tune Yards played. Yeah, that was like the second, yeah, like the second Ruth's picnic or something like that. Well, I was asking because when Kirk used to do that on his guitar siloes, he would lose the information at the end, turning off. I was like, well, damn, what's the sense in looping if you can't keep, you know, in a hard drive or whatever? But I was asking, like, in your pedal, you can save it. Okay. So I save stuff, but, and you can like technically save it and then just put it into the computer and have that be that. but I much prefer

you can't get like doubles and panning and all of the like I'm trying to get it rich and full it's phenomenal to watch it's dope yeah but yeah so that the Acapulah thing happened totally by accident so it was just like

and people are really into that so I was like okay I'll do that it also is very easy for me to travel you know it's like I have this one pedal that I put in a backpack and then I'm off to the race

I hope you don't lose that back or the pedal. Well, no, it stays on my back, you know. And even if I do lose it, it's like all of my tracks, I perform them live. So if I lose it, then, like, that sucks. But, like, it doesn't. So you just don't have a background. I just need to go to a guitar center and, like, buy a pedal real quick. Well, you've lost a pedal before?

I have not lost a pedal. But, yeah. It's lasting. Yeah. But I'm just saying that, like, it's not. Even though there are ideas in there that I would love to have, I'm not so attached to them that if I were to lose it, I would be like, oh, my God.

There's one idea in there that I composed that I don't know how to remake it. And I even played it for my dad, and he was like, whoa. But I still, to this day, I'm like, there are too many lines and parts where I'm like, I don't know how to reconstruct it. I really want to. So that'd probably be the only one that I would be sad about. Are you and Taylor?

Do y'all do any work together? Because I really liked this album earlier. I was supposed to be on that album. Well, it sucks for you. I know. No, I really did suck with me. But no, I love that record and like what you do. So I want to go back something.

He's actually supposed to produce what the next produced project is. Hopefully he's got to finish his album first. We have one song that is finished. And it's actually a song that's on Finding Foundations Volume 1 that I had written for the first produced project and then he produced it

and I'm really excited about it but it's funny we used to live in the same building and kept being like we need to make music we need to make music and then like it didn't happen and now he lives in L.A. and it's like so when we make a music though but he makes

I mean granted I'm so biased but like he produces the kind of music that like I hear in my head you know, which I'm sure that comes from we have the same upbringing. But whenever I think about, I would love to, yeah, I would love to get into production at some point in time. But like until that point, like he produces the kind of music that I would have.

You know what's really interesting. Is Taylor would come to me sometimes and say, Dad, you got to hear this. You got to hear this. And he played for me. And I go, man, this was my favorite piece. you know, when I was your A, you know, he played something else for me.

And I said, he'd say, dad, you got to hear this. This is really great. I say, man, I love that piece. I already knew that piece, you know. It must be DNA thing because I would be constantly shocked that the stuff that he loved was also stuff that I love, you know, before I even had kids. Right.

You know what I mean? There's this George Duke album. Like, I don't know if it was his first one or his second one. But he was working with Frank Zaffir. at the time. And he produced his own album. And the opening piece on this album, I used to play over and over and over and over again. And so he comes to me one day and says, Dad, you got to hear this. And it's the George Ducey thing. It's the same thing. He didn't even remember. It's in the blood. It's in the blood. We're just in the blood. We're just in the way with our parents, I feel like all of us in that way.

Yeah. Maybe. No, I'm playing. You know you are. I know you are. I know. I'm joking. I'm joking. All right. I have my dad's record collection. So, yeah. Before we split. But I just want to know about the Give Me Five Project. And, well, yeah, I know. It's a miniature voice, sister. Okay. It incorporates, I have one soprano, one alto, one tenor, one bass, and myself. And it's all improvised.

It's just five of us. Well, you guys have been singing together forever, so I would hope that you know each other that well. But that's so scary to me to not know what's. going to happen. Well, would they trust that you're the alpha? Would they trust that, okay, we'll follow his lead and when you end the song and... Yeah, pretty much. We've been worked. Some of them, like Riannon, who's the outtime, he sits to my left. We met in 1980. We've been working since 1980. Okay. So that's what it is. It's just a small improv group, fire, fire voices. Well, I'm really glad and happy that we finally have this conversation. It's like our

First World Conversation. Hey. Hey. We did it. We did it. Life goals. It just took 15 years. No, I really appreciate it.

And I applaud your artistry and it and it's effect on me even though I'm one of those. Stick to what I know. Stay in my comfort zone type people. Yeah. Thank you for your music, man. It's so many parts of my childhood. I have distinct memories of like stuff you've done and like just your voice it like takes me back when I was a kid so thank you simple pleasures was me and my father's joy like that's what we would play on the weekends and just I'm gonna cry we're gonna just fed out this way ladies gentlemen daddy listen on behalf of the supreme team sugar Steve

Unpaid bill Boss Bill I like to get up early in the mall Pondigolo Are you about to cry liar? I am He already

Oh said I'd like to sit down And I got the Good book to sit down And read Get my day started In the right way I got these three kids

Taylor Givon and Little Maddie too I call them in the morning I say kids get up It's time to school and they get on their clothes. I pour the cereal out and the sugar too. Yes indeed. Then I call my baby.

Baby, I said, Debbie, get up. Get up. It's time to get yourself together. It's such a beautiful day outside. Ooh, simple pleasures are the best. Yes, they are. I'm so happy. I'm a happy man.

Yes, I am. Yes, I am. I am so happy. Simple pleasures are the best. Simple pleasures are the best. That's it. Please clear that Pandora. Thank you very much.

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