The Questlove Show - Black Music Month QLS Classic: Scarface

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

In honor of Black Music Month, go back to 2018 when world-class MC and producer Scarface spoke about how Rap-A-Lot Records' J. Prince brought him into Geto Boys, the aftermath of the infamous Ice Cube diss, and the golf game of Cedric The Entertainer, Moses Malone, Clyde Drexler and more. This was recorded in front of a live audience.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. What's up, everybody? It's Sugar Steve from Team Supreme. June marks Black Music Month. We often speak about it on Questlove Supreme, and we've had some of the legends responsible for the recognition on the show.

Every day this June, we are running a different episode from the QLS Archives to honor the tradition and intent of Black Music Month. This week, we are focusing on some of the great hip-hop conversations in the QLS catalog. Our leader, Questlove, has a new book out called Hip Hop's History. Check it out at questlove.com. Today we look back at a 2018 interview with the one-and-only screen. Barface. Earlier this month, the Houston legend performed at the Roos Picnic. Listen back as he talks ghetto boys, solo career, and much more.

Four bars are quiet. You'll see. Genius. Here we go. Supremma, sub, sub, sub, subprima roll call. Supremma, sub, sub, subprima roll call. Supremma, sub, sub, subprima, sub, sub. All I have in this word. My words and my balls. Yeah. I told you, my, don't fuck with me! That's all.

Roll call, Supremia, sub-Supremia, roll call. Supremia, sub-Sprima, roll call. My name is Fonte. Yeah. Pure satisfaction. Yeah. With the king of the South. Yeah.

DJ action. Roll call. Supriamma, sub-sup, sub-sabrema, sub-sabrema, Rob-Call. Sub-Srema, Subrema, Subrema, Role call. My name is Sugar yo. Yeah.

I'm disappointed though. Yeah. Thought I was gonna meet. Al Pacino. Roca. Supriva Roll call. Supriva Roll call. Supremma, sub, sub, Supremma, roll call.

I'm unpaid bill. Yeah. Not feeling mad. Yeah. Welcome Scarface. Yeah. Real name Brad. Roll call.

Suprema, Supriva, Sub prima, Subima, Roll call. Supriva, Supraima Roll Call Eslae am With Scarface in the place

Yeah And this feels real weird Yeah But I love fuck faces Roca Com Supraima Subrama Roll Call

I'm a cueing up right now Subm Submina Roll Call My name is Face Yeah ATX Yeah Talk that shit

Yeah I'm the best Ro call Supreme Court Fax Submese Roll call. Suprema,

Suh, Submma, Surma, Surma, Submara, Subrema, Roll call. Supremma,

Sucrema, Sucrema roll call. Wait, before I start the introduction for Laya, Laeahe. Anyway,

ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a special South by Southwest edition of Of Course Love Supreme brought to you by the

fine folks of Pandora. Thank you all for coming Yeah, thank you for me. Thank you. We are live outside behind a gas station. Yeah, we're a tattoo parlor. Actually, I was going to go to that tattoo parlor. Oh, where?

Yeah. Got room on it? I'm going to get inked up. We'll join you. We'll all get the same. We'll collectively all do that together. To my far right, I will say this is the god of blue collar grown man music. Oh, yeah.

Album in stores? Yes. Go get it. Yes, please support. No news is good. news by our very own Fondigolo. What up? What up?

What up? I got to see your last name with this. Don't. Fon Ticoloma. And to his left is the super, what I say, the super engineer for all those soul querying classics you love by the roots and Eric Badu and DeAngelo and comment. This man is... And the roots?

I forgot, yeah, us too. This is, oh, and also host of Chatting with Sugar on Instagram. Follow this man. We need him to have more followers. S-U-G-A, Sugar Steve, Steve, Steve, Mandel right here to, please clap. Who is that? And to my far left is my fellow Hamiltonian.

That sounds regal as fuck. I don't think I don't know. Yeah, or Hamilton. Yeah, this is my Hamilton brother right here. And also the only member of QLS that's one step away from an EGOT or a ghetto. We call it ghetto. That's what we call it. We got the GEDA and the T.

He's just waiting on the O. One day, hope to be ghetto. That's great. One day, you're going to be ghetto, man. I'm telling you. It might be too day. And also the guy of the children. Is children's television workshop still a thing?

Now Sesame Street's on HBO. I don't know. My boss is here. Boss. Is children's television workshop still a thing? No, it's not. It's Sesame Workshop, right? It's Sesame Workshop, right?

It's Sesame Workshop. Okay. Oh, okay. You just took it over. Okay, I see. Well, anyway, give it up for unpaid bill. Two of my far left. Please clap.

No, we need y'all to clap. They're not even going to. Yes. And the first lady of QLS, she organizes our lives and disrupts it. We haven't called her that in a second. I forgot. I haven't been here in a minute. Well, now we dubbed her, it's laia.

So, ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for it's lair. Yes, uh. The first lady. Yeah. Thank y'all. All right. And what can I say? You know, our guess is practically on every top five list of your favorite MC's MC ever compiled.

If you ask any MC that you respect. From anywhere. That's respected. This man is in easily in their top five or their top three. Most of the times he's number one. You know what I'm saying? from his days of being the PMRC's nightmare poster boy as one third of the highly influential

crew of the ghetto boys. Yeah, from his jaw dropping solo outputs as a solo artist, classics as Mr. Scarface's back, the world is yours, the fix, last of the dime breed, especially the diary. And let's not forget his appearance as upgrade. Yes, I forgot. That's the movie was shot right here in ATX too.

Oh wow. Yeah, it was in Austin. We did that. Not to mention, you've appeared with every hip-hop god. You've been on from Biggie to Jay-Z to Too Short to Tupac to Devon the Dude to... I can name them all, but we'll be here all day. Ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for God himself Scarface. Yes.

Yes. I appreciate that introduction. How you doing, man? I'm doing good. How y'all doing? Everybody. Am I allowed to call you, Brad? I know rappers are...

Nah, man, we're friends for real, don't. Don't do that. I'm saying, when I see you, I say, oh, what up, Brad? But it's like... I know that, you know, we're in a professional settings. And, you know... No, I'm still... I'm still B-Rad.

Okay. And then that's be ill. That's right. Don't fucking forget. I'm cool. We're gonna figure it tomorrow. Can I just put a day. So how are you doing today, bro?

I can't complain about it, man. I'm enjoying it. You're looking good, man. I feel pretty good, man. I'll say in the last two years when I've seen you, are you used to people doing double takes and still, like, not knowing that it's you when you come up and say hi to him? No, they're like, it's the 15-year-old bread.

Yeah, like, I want the secret of age regression. We were talking backstage earlier. You said, you don't do no bread now. No, I'm not doing no bread. Wow. I'm going to chill on the bread. And I'm getting ready to do this intestinal cleanse. Okay.

A colon cleanse? No. Okay. I don't know. The dude was talking about some intestinal shit, and it says that it's just going to bust your ass wide over. You're going to stay in the house for like two weeks. Word? Fucking right.

That doesn't start today, though. I took my first shot today. Oh, shit. How much time we got? I was kidding, but yeah. If you smell something foul, that's me. You dropped like a hundred over the past couple years, right? How long?

No, no. It was five years. Oh, wow. Yeah. What was it? What did you do? Like cleanses and eating right and running and boxing and, um, uh. And having a five year old?

No, that came later. Can I ask, though, can one fully commit? I mean, I know we're in Austin where Austin is. quote weird, but can one fully commit to a healthy lifestyle below the Mason Dixon line? It's hard.

If you want to live, if your life is on the line, you got to fucking do what they say do. Oh, that's your ass. Yo, but I was in the fifth oil last year, and I was trying to find greens. It was really hard. Well, you didn't go to the right spot. Okay. Well, they made that...

In the ghetto, they ain't got no healthy stories. This is what I'm saying. They got fucking the little Chinese little spots that they opened up. That's the new soul food. That's the new soul food. Yeah. So you got to go to H.E.B.

Shout out to H.E.B. No, because my buddy was like a higher-up at H-E-B and he passed away. Are you shouting out Hibbs? What is that? What is that? What is that?

Two of them on the stage. I don't know what's going on here. What is H-E-B? Never mind. Inside joke. But they really, really take care of their people, man. So I got a lot of respect for those guys. And I don't spend no money, nowhere else but there. That's what's up.

So you were born in the Fifth Ward, correct? No, sir. Yo, every time. They're like over 100 on that one. I'm from the south side, man. Okay, but you were born in Houston, correct? Pretty much. You were born outside of Houston?

Still wrong, yeah. Close enough, Houston, I guess. Houston adjacent. I just want to be one and not. I'm a Houstonian. I'm a Houstonian, okay. I'm a native Houstonian, cool. Okay.

Well, yeah, I actually, I don't know much about your early beginnings. Like, what was your childhood like as far as before you got into hip-hop? Like, there's a lot of funk and rock and roll. Really? I'm a walking encyclopedia when it comes to funk and rock and roll. It's, you know, soul, not R&B. Yeah. So, okay.

Well, explain to me. Like, what was your household? Like, how did you... So, when my mom went to work, I went to my grandmother's house and all of my uncles were in the rock and roll. So we played, you know, Thin Lizzie, Ted Nugent,

fucking... You're a big Pink Floyd fan, right? Pink Floyd, Rush. But when we got home, we listened to fucking Marvin Gaye and Prince, you know, Isley brothers. That was at my mom's house.

or my grandmother's house, it was rocked out. Oh, wow. Was that unusual, though, for your, like, why were your uncles into that particular time? I don't know. I don't know. That's how, that's what I grew up in, so I didn't know it was anything supposed to be different about it. You feel me? Yeah. Like, I didn't know.

Like, I didn't know. I grew up around all my uncles, so I could fight real good. Okay, all right. So, no one tested years. My mom was way bigger than me, man. We fight like a mother. Oh, okay. Okay.

Fight with my uncles. I was a little ducling me. fighting the big dudes. So we had no problems like that. I know that you're a guitarist. So, like, how still? I'm pretty good. I heard of a rumor that you were,

are you related to Johnny Nash? Yes, yes. I can see clearly now Johnny Nash. Wow. He's your cousin, you said? That's my cousin, yes. Does your family come from Jamaica, or does he just know what happened

is Johnny from Houston? What about that accent, though? He don't got no accent. Oh, man. He had the jfaking accent. Johnny Madge don't got no Jamaican accent You serious?

Oh God People just affiliate that song With like Nah man You know he wrote a lot of records For Bob Marley too Did you know that? Yes

Okay I would assume that He came from Jamaica Since No he's from Houston, Texas South Park Damn man Nah

Nah And he cool as hell too He got a song That's gonna last forever Man Like my You know Your kids kids kids

kids don't know I can see clearly. Everybody knows I can see clearly. Everybody knows that way. I got a better one in that. What? He wrote Hercules. Devil Brothers? The cartoon.

The what? What are you saying? What's going on? They had a cartoon called Hercules, y'all. Yeah, we remember. He wrote the fucking shit for it. Sorry. No, we shouldn't fuck this cool.

I didn't know that. I didn't, wow. Hercules. That's him. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. So he just left.

Hercules. He left the music. And went to Jamaica. Really? He left Hercules and went to Bob. As you do. Yeah. Wow.

That's fucking dope. Did I know that? Is he a first cousin or second cousin? First cousin. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think that his grandfather and my grandfather was brothers or something shit. I don't know. It was old folks.

All I know is we cousins and we be hanging out and I haven't seen him in about eight months, though. Okay. Oh, so he's still alive and... Yeah, you're alive and well. He lives in Houston. Okay. Very rich.

Can he still see clearly? You know what? That's a good question. That's a good question. It is. I don't know. That was a good one, see him. Do I get a...

Yes. Sorry. It already happened. A, cue. Yes. don't do that Steve I won't say any

you're going to do better than that joke that was his best one so what what was the the only Houston resident that we've had on the show is premiere so how

Premier and I from Houston uh oh can we get a map and like an ancestry dot com up here he was born in Houston though I think premiere from Prairie of you some shit. He is, Prairieville, yeah. That's true. You're right.

It's not Houston, man. Okay. All right. So, Houstonian, anybody here from Houston? So break down how to, like, you take pride in this shit. Like, if you ain't, if you ain't. I've heard him say that he had Houston roots, but it's, it might be PV roots. Okay. But we love for me, he's dope, right? Yeah. Super dope. All right, you set me straight. And my ongoing, uh, ignorance of, geography continues on the show.

No, it's really, you can read, I don't well, not, not really. You can't really get Prairie View confused with Houston because it's not really that close. Okay. That shit is like our way or something. I mean, Texas is big as shit. Outside is, we're just trying to learn. It's big. You know what I'm saying?

Cool, man. Because you don't even know the different personalities between, you know, Austin, Texas, Dallas, everybody got different personalities, right? All right, let me break down the personality. Thank you. Here we go. Okay, me being from Houston, like, I love Houston, right? Right.

But I also know that Houston is like a, it's a CERT town. so it's cool and lay you back and slow all right Dallas it's like like fucking Mars

like it's a totally different world in Dallas than it is in Houston and Austin is like a small like Humbo County like it's like it's like everybody's

doing their own shit enjoying it you know what I mean nobody's mad. They go out. They jam, they party. They have South by Southwest. They have Austin city limits or whatever that shit is. For the record, Austin is my second favorite city on the earth.

This is the shit. Like, this is bad ass. If I were to retire, this is the second city on my top of the list. This is like, Austin is in the class by itself. I wish that they would legalize marijuana here. Yeah, what's that with the South and the Texas? We all that with that. Now, y'all, it got qualified.

I think I think I think everybody was high anyway. I think Austin's with you. I think the rest of Texas coming aboard. Yeah, but I think all of the fucking old people need to die and let us have it. Word. Word. I don't give a fuck. I mean, old as in.

So how did hip hop culture reach you in Houston? It started with music. No. It started with music. It started with growing up in a band. It started with learn how to play shit, you know. So you were in high school bands and that sort of thing? No, I was in elementary school, junior high school bands.

I'm talking about bands. Like, everybody, when I was growing up, everybody played something. You know, everybody had a bass. Somebody had some drums in their house. Somebody had a guitar. Somebody blew the horn and some shit. Now that they've taken the music out of the schools, and then we're suffering.

You know, music was like a universal language, man. And we all love that shit. So now, and now it's gone. But, excuse me, I grew up in that. I grew up in music. And when hip hop came, you know, it was mind-blowing. Because I was seeing some people that was like me. They was kids and they was jamming, you know.

What's the shit? Rapper's Delight was one of the first hip-hop songs I had heard. My cousin is from New York. So I spent a lot of time up there and I heard a lot of shit. So I was kind of like cheating a little bit. Because them, they can really, really rap. And I can really, really rap too. So we had a lot, a lot of fun.

You know what I mean? So do you guys, and that's how you got a lot of your education? I did. Well, see, that shows why you're a cut above the rest. I have. You had that early education with you. I was way in the hip hop, like way ahead in hip hop. Do you remember how old you were when you were when you were

you wrote your first rhyme? I probably was about 14, 15. But what's the moment where you were like, okay, I've seen a man die. Yeah, that's when I knew like, oh, shit. Oh, you mean literally. Not the song. I'm thinking the song.

Oh, no, the song, guys. If you didn't hit my catalog, that was when I really knew that, oh, shit. You got some shit. Oh, when you wrote that song. But it took that long. You didn't realize? Really?

Yeah. Yeah. Because it was all funny games in the beginning. beginning, right? You make a song and you go home and shit and listen to it. Bro. I broke my fucking hand. I broke my hand. And I had some painkillers. I used to drink a lot of mill of lights and I smoked weed. And I was so high. Like I had never been that high in my life. And I remember, yo, can we hang out as we should? Okay.

So let me remind you. You were awesome. You caught smoking. and where your ass is going to jail. Oh. Right? That's why I was quiet. No. That's why it's so quiet. No.

It's quiet because cops are behind the gate. Help us out, y'all. It's just event staff. They're not, they're not cops. It's cool. It's a safe space. No, that doesn't mean gaps. Sorry, so you were saying that you were high as fuck.

Oh, I was super high. I could relate. I was super high. And then I remember being in the studio and the lights was off like, It was dark, dark, dark. And all you can see was the glass, the engineer in the glass was Mike Dean in the glass. It was just me and Mike Dean in that studio.

It's always the engineer that's the inspiration for all the great songs I found. No. Don't play that shit either. Don't fucking play that. So when the first words and the way it was dark and it was cold in there, and I don't like cold. All right. So when those first words came out, he greased his father.

That's shit right there. Shots up my fucking body. I was like, oh. You too? It hit me. It's kind of weird. And it was at that moment. Brad and knew it.

He had fucked up. Right then. Right then it hit him. It's weird to hear you have a spiritual experience about yourself. Like, you're also one of your favorite rappers. That's kind of cool. No, I don't really like me. No.

Really? Nah. What's the line? But it was that moment that I knew I had fucked up. I hit that. He greets his father with this. That shit. I was like, damn.

Tell us the line, the full line. He reaches his father with his hands out. Rehabilitated slightly, but glad to be the man's child. He glad to see his own man when he walked out there, bitch. She just shot that shit up your spine. Well, I don't know if y'all ever had a really, really good nut, but that's how it felt. You'll learn.

Maybe when you're 30s. I think I'm out of there. My bad, I'm here. No, right. Let me leave that out of there. I want to apologize to Sesame Street, too. So, wait, what I'm saying is, you're saying that when you wrote that

then you felt like you were official not when I wrote it when you heard it back when I wrapped it yeah yeah okay but I'm just saying when in your teens did you feel like

okay I'm just going to pursue you just mean you were just messing around that whole time oh fucking right I didn't even expect to get paid for it even during my mind's playing tricks on me and before I knew I wouldn't get paid for that one but you know

I had no fucking idea that this shit paid man so like huh yeah wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait you mean you found to pay me to rap yeah but i what but not the monetary reward of it i mean in terms of no no fuck that hey quest it was about the money when we was growing up because we have none right like that shit was about the money like we we did some shit that was strictly for the money before where rap started. All right?

So when you said that you was going to pay me to rap and I didn't have to do this no more, no-brainer. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clever Taylor the 4th.

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The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistake. stakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else.

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He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there.

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This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So when did y'all form ghetto boys? How did that come about? I wasn't there. So the original incarnation was Johnny. Oh, yeah, it was Reddy Red. So why did, how did they just, or I guess, should I ask about Jay Prince?

Like, what is, I've heard a lot about the legend of Jay Prince, but can't, don't know anything about him. But I know that it's, it's of legend. Who is Jay, what and who is Jay Prince? And how did he bring you into the fold of the ghetto boys? In my opinion, Jay is a masterful thinker. He's probably up in the top tier of thinkers, chess players. If you know like an Einstein type of motherfucker, that's him. He has to be, because when you Google him, you can't find nothing about him.

And that's the most amazing thing. He's, I don't know, I would be more afraid of James than Trump. Wow. For real. Yeah. For real. Like, he's a masterful fucking. I can think.

Yeah. He's a master strategist. So how did you guys meet and how did he, did he bring you into? No, it was like, he heard a song and he was like, hey, we're going to put that guy in this group. And that's what it was. But that's not the average thing.

Like, you know, I got a group. Hey, I'm like, it was like, I got a group. And ghetto boys, cool, you're gone, you're gone, you're in. You're cool. but face is in wow what you remember

what record was it of yours that he heard that made him the original yeah wow yeah it fucked him up he was like oh hell no

I don't want no competition fuck that yeah so was he the mastermind behind you guys just being yeah

because when I when I first heard of y'all I guess when Chuck G D's shout at you guys out Black Planet. That's the first time I heard of the ghetto boys. And then I'll say like maybe two months later than suddenly you guys were just I heard like I saw more of your

press than I heard the music because the controversy with the with the PMRC and I guess I forget who the head editor. It was Tipper Gore when what well no no that the head editor of Billboard was Ted I forget his name like it's is he is like one there. No, no, he's gone. He's gone. Is he dead? Uh-oh. Why, you got something? No, I'm just asking. Usually, like, people don't just step down.

People don't relinquish power. Especially at places like Billboard. That's true. People don't just relinquish their power. So if Ted, either Ted is dead or Ted is rich. I forget his two. I forget his name, but I remember reading his editorial about the shock of this album. and instantly I was like,

I got to get this album. And the album, that was it, was it gripping on the other level? Well, it was, it was the Rick Rubenver. Okay, yeah. There just went ahead. We did like 300,000 records independently on the first one before Rick even picked the shit up. So how did Rick even get?

He probably heard that shit somewhere. You know, like, so it wasn't like you guys were looking for a major distribution? We were not looking for a deal at all, but when you make somebody on an offer that they can't refuse. you kind of got to make that move, you feel me? Yeah, yeah. And were y'all the first, like, Southern group on Dev Jam at the time? It wasn't Deaf Jam.

It was Deaf American. Oh. Yeah. So Rick had left Def Jam and started Deaf American. But you know what? I'm going to go out on the limb and say I might have been the first Southern act on Death Jam. Yeah. You were. Yeah.

Because who else? Because you were before Luter, right? Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Luda came out on Def Jam South. Oh, you mean, yeah, just Def Jam proper. Yeah. Yeah.

I was Def Jam with the turntable with the needle on the needle. That was important, right? That was super important. That's official. That's a bucket list plan right there. Like to be on Def Jam. That was a dream. That's a childhood dream to be on Def Jam from Houston, Texas.

Like a small little neighborhood in Houston, Texas called South Acres, and I'm on fucking Death Jam. Wow, that's real. So I'm not supposed to be East Coast. So I never ever take my travel. you know, my journey for granted, bro. Like, I'm from right there, and I'm sitting here with one of my favorite, my favorite drummer.

I call him. Who me? What I call you? The human NPC. You told me that. He's a human MPC. Like, he don't. That's my favorite compliment.

That's my favorite compliment. He's the human MPC. I just think he got mad. I used to, I was like, man, he got mad because I call him a drum machine. No. That's a fucking drum machine. That was always my life goal to be like a drum. To be that like that.

Yeah. You're in that pocket, bro. I gotta be. Man, y'all give it a one time of a quest because he's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. I love that he. This is a first.

This is a quest love to be first. He actually took a copy. I'm learning to take a compliment. Yeah. Hit me with a thing. You hit me with a thing. I don't got a thing. Fonte, can you hit it with an impromptu?

That's all I got. I was like. Wait, wait. Wait, can I take over my show, please? Go right ahead, my man. All right. All right. When you're, most, most group situations are, you know, usually childhood friends that

jail with each other and then become a group. You guys were sort of just. Like, this is almost like a boy band almost like, like this is how the shit happened. You knew him and him and me. And we had no idea who the fuck we were. We didn't know. We just got in the band one day and. rode out somewhere and rap.

It seemed like a super group, though. It was a super group. So how did you guys, was it easy to jail as a group? I mean, you're strangers and suddenly you're going to enter this business venture. I had no idea that it would turn into a business. I thought it was just, I thought it was just having fun and rapping and recording this was my first time. I had no idea about nothing in the music industry, nothing about the music business, period.

So I just wrote my shit and I left. You know, we're not friends. We don't hang out. We're not cool. I don't know y'all. So what I mean you're going to hang around here for? So y'all weren't friends. You just, you just,

Q, we're not friends now. Wow. But are you family now? Like, is it like that? Family. Like, you know, like you love somebody, but you don't like them. You know, okay. And don't say Bill's name too long, too too loud because he'll pop his

little ass up in here. Oh shit. I swear to goodness. Not you, Bill. It's an up. No. I had a crazy, I had a crazy Bushwickville story where

I didn't realize that he had gotten on stage. This one, there's like 97, 98. And I was playing with a very unusual kick drum. Maybe it was a 28 inch kick drum was like the part of the size of two.

He was standing up in front of. I don't have a mute it. No, he took a nap inside my kick drum. Whoa! What? Please tell me that you hit it. Please tell me that you hit. No, he was like laying

and there was a pillow. There was a bunch of pillows inside my kick drum. He sat on the drum riser and then he just took a nap inside of the kid. I've heard more crazy stories about Bill. Like, that's the one thing we never asked MC Search. Oh, that Bushwood Bill story. Hey, I was in the group with him. Case closed.

Was it like a, it was like a, it was like a, it was like a Marker. Was it like that Martin episode? But my favorite is Faye. What was that? What was that? Fais, nobody loves me. Nobody loves me, Fais. Nobody loves a short man, but boy how a short man can love.

Yeah, I got some real stories, man, but I'll let him tell his own, man. So the cover of We Can't Be Stop, that's real. I was pissed. What? You can tell it by. I'm looking... Yeah.

I'm like, man, that's so fucking disrespectful. So tell me the call that you got. Obviously, Jay Prince said, get to the hospital right now? No, he didn't say that. Jay don't get on the phone, man. Chief called us. Oh, this is the infamous cover.

Yeah, where he's in the hospital. Yeah. Oh, yeah, to set it up for our listeners. Yeah, please. Is everybody... So... They like 12. I guess the legend was that he mixed ever clear with something

And it was so clear, we tried to shoot his eye out. That was he made the song about the ever so clear joy. He shot his, Bushwick Bill shot his eye out. And, oh wait. Did I, y'all can see the look? Did I fall for marketing? Banana and the tailpipe? Tell me the story.

Why don't you let, I'm going to let him tell his own story. No, no, no, no. You were part of the covers. So explain to me how that cover came to be. So we had heard like 5 o'clock in the morning, Bill got shot. and he got shot in the eye and I was like fuck it's over yeah

like he's fucking dead but some kind of way that little motherfucker was rose up like oh shit did it go through or where does it go? Yeah I don't know where it went

but I know that motherfucker ain't dead still to this day he um went to the hospital and they were like yeah man y'all might all to come up here get this album cover because Jay so fucking smart he thought Bill was going to die too

so he wanted y'all to pose next to everybody oh my god wow I shouldn't be laughing this shit up hey bro I can't make that up man we thought Bill was going to die and we was going to take a picture on Bill's deathbed and that she was going to sell a million records and it did yes it did it fuck it Google it did it so

I mean at first you know, if Bill would have had his eyes closed and shit, I would have been cool with it. But he had a fucking phone on his head. The old brick phone. That shit was like this big. He's sitting up on the gurney. Like, you see his legs and shit on the gurney? Like, he was sitting up on that bitch like this.

You can see it. Like a big-ass man with some little short little legs and shit, right? He's got his fucking band-aid off his eye. He's hanging down. His eye is fucking sticking out like a Halloween mask, and I'm like, shit. You serious? You want to take a picture with this fucking Halloween costume, bro? No, man.

And from that point on, Bill has been like a Halloween, like a walking, like a 24-7, 365 fucking Halloween costume, bro. He became Chuckie. He became a Halloween costume because he was the Joker, too. You're right. And now he's... Now he... When's the last time you talk to him? Now he...

Damn. That long? Now he... Bro. Decades? I don't never talk to Bill. No more. I'm good.

Like, I'm fine. This is heartbreaking, man. No, I'm fine. Like, it's good. Like, we left in a great place. What about you on Willie D? Do y'all have any... Me and Willie talked sometimes.

Okay, okay. All right? But Willie ain't come out on stage, man. One time, man. I still kind of feel fucking. up about that. When was this? We had a concert in Houston and shit and it was DJ Quigg and a few other, you know, E-4, like some great shit going on, right? And I was a co-headliner with Ice Cube. Oh, wow. Okay. All right. Now, a couple of weeks before, Willie came out with

Trench, Willie and Bill came out with Trench to do this, do the mind-playing tricks record, right? And I wrote the fucking record. So I do this shit, man, and I'm thinking, Willie going to come out and do the shit on the strip because, you know, we're probably going to go on tour one of these days. Yeah. And then he didn't go out on my set and went out on Ice Cube. I was like, you know what, man? I ain't never going to go on towards you no more.

We ain't going to never do no more. Songs, no motherfucking mallet. No reunion. None of that shit. Attribute a hip-hop honors. Fuck all that shit. NBA All-Star game. You know I don't believe that, right?

On God. Yeah, it is. Come on, man. It has to happen. No, God. You said something, though. You wrote all that. All of your mind playing tricks on you know, the whole song?

Except for Willie's verse. Okay. And I did the beat. Woo. Okay. Okay. The splash, the splash symbol at the end of each verse. How, okay, this is only a nerd question that Amir would ask.

What was the ideology? I have no fucking idea. You knew that was the answer. Yeah, I knew. But here's the thing. You know how you run, you program your MPC 60, right? And you got to do the change up in the last two. Yes.

That's one of my favorite. When I'm hitting a crash symbol, that's my crash symbol that I always hear. It's one of the loudest. It could have been poorly mixed, too, though. It probably was, but it, you know, it's. I'm not sure if I mixed that record or not. It has made my arm come down with the force. of Hercules on every symbol I've ever hit.

Is that what you did, Mind Plain Tricks? You did on the MPC? I did it on the MPC 60 and EPS. Oh, then Sonic Junt. Wow. EPS. Wow. Ooh, can you not, not, I'm, this is my first nerd out moment,

but can you walk us through that beat process? Just like where it started from and how you knew where you were you was. So you're going to a room. No, not how you make it. No. I mean, that song, I mean that particular song, that particular song, Mindlian, Trich. So when, I mean,

Willie left the group after the Ice Cube disc The Ice Cube No Vaseline. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When Ice Cube said, Willie D told me to let a hole be a hoe, that was the end of the ghetto voice for good. That was it.

Wow. He thought he's bigger than the group? I don't know. I don't know. That's between y'all to talk about. But I know that after that shit happened, it was no more Willie he left. Wow. Because that's what we did, I was going out like a soldier record. That was like him next.

I have no idea. I don't know, but that's what happened. I was working on a, I was forced to work on a solo album. Your first album? Oh, just the Mr. Scarface is back. And this is all in my book, too, by the way. You're saying you didn't want to make that first solo record? I wasn't even trying to be no fucking rapper.

That shit was too much. It took too much time and it wasn't paying no fucking money. The fuck I want to be a rapper for her. Just give me enough money to buy this so I can flip that and do this. That's what I want to do. I want to do that. I don't know. Fuck that rap shit.

Okay, wait. Let me end you one second. This also is the ongoing continuation of our discovery that all classics and all great moments are done in that alpha state. Oh, yeah. Where if you plan a great moment or if you plan to make a classic, whatever, it never works. But when it's just an afterthought, like, whatever. That's what the magic is. That's crazy.

So all this time I'm thinking that that first solo record was like this plan for you like to. pool of Michael Jackson off the wall on your own group. Not that I can recall, man, I could be wrong, but I, if I, if I, if I recall correctly, I was, I was making songs. Okay. Mm-hmm. For, uh, for, uh, for my solo album. And I had a song called my mind playing tricks on me. I had three verses.

My first two verses and the dish of Halloween fell on the weekend first, all right? Well, some kind of way priority, uh, had a meeting with James and I, that very, ended up on the ghetto boys record. Oh. Yeah, that was my solo, so I was on my solo album. Okay. But it helped to set up your solo, though. Like, that's-

Yeah, it wasn't the plan. That's the biggest fucking move that we could have made, you know? It set up everybody's solo. If everybody got a, if everybody coming off the success of a great fucking group album, then everybody has the opportunity to break solo. It also, well, good.

This is your talk show. No, no, no, go ahead. It's your podcast. Continue. I took, and once I tasted the blood, like, I was like, fuck that. Like, I can argue with myself. I can be at odds with me by myself. I don't have to have three other motherfuckers to argue with.

I can just go in this motherfucker and fight with me. You know, I could deal with my own ego. That's the most fun anyway. Yeah, I'm like, man, that shit ain't right. So wait, so since that song is your baby, what does it feel like all these? years later, I have a song that's like, like, every Halloween, it is a timeless. And you know what the greatest part about that is?

I'm right there in the same light as my cousin. Because his song's going to play forever. Yeah. Mind playing tricks. That song's going to play forever. Like, all the rest of that shit that I did in my life may not play for, that shit may end pretty soon. But I know that every time, if they don't take away the Halloween, I'm good.

Yep. So how did you trans- Oh, you go ahead. Well, wait, I kind of want to go back to the first record. What I want to know is that, you know, for those that aren't steeped and baptized in hip-hop culture, you know, a lot of the ideas of what, especially in the political world that were against rap music at the time,

I mean, you guys were basically that, you know, the most shocking, the most disgusting, whatever, like, you could, whatever superlative you could use. Was it, was the plan for that in the studio? Like, we're just going to be the most offensive group of all time. I don't, I don't think you can plan that. You know, I think that you look, it was happening around you. Like, and this was, you know, I remember going to Milwaukee. and going to Jeffrey Dahmer's house

and shit where he did that shit at. Wait, you went there? Fucking right. Why? Why? I mean, you hear about the shit. Yeah. I know a venue you y'all played too

because his house was right across the street from this big giant Milwaukee venue. It's the only place where that's like a Masonic temple hall. He didn't say he performed. He said he just went. I didn't perform at Jeffrey Dahmer's house. We didn't stop. I've been curious about what was on the inside of that apartment.

I mean, I didn't go in. He wasn't anything in there, man. I just remember passing by that motherfucker stopping and getting scared. Oh, God. Yeah. The house was empty. Everything was. I don't know if that motherfucker was in jail yet.

No, he ate everything in the house, man. You're missing my point. You're missing the whole point. Give it one. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was good. Excuse me.

That was a good one, Steve. That was a good one, Steve. Yes. That was a great one. You can get one for that. So with all of that shit going on, guys, we just kind of rapped about it, you know. But y'all realized y'all were the first to really cross that line. Like, at that point, NWA was the high mark of offense.

And even their stuff was more politically offensive, but not, like, to the level. Y'all would take this. And boys said, like, having sex with corpses. shit. Yeah. Like, I think that was, I didn't write that, by the way. I noticed. It would take a little bitty, spooky-looking motherfucker to say some shit like that. But he didn't write it either. Willie wrote that verse? Willi was really writing. I think that a guy named Jukebox wrote that. Oh, wow. Okay. And Jukebox later went to jail for like a murder or so.

Of course, because he was having sex with. Of course. No, I'm not. No, it was just. It was just one of those, man, we really weathered a storm that we wasn't supposed to get out of. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was a lot of shit that went on in those years. You know, it was a lot of people getting killed. There was a lot of people going to jail. There was a lot of people being indicted. There was a lot of motherfucking friends falling out and not speaking no more.

Like, it was a lot of penitentiary chances that went on doing that shit during that time, man. And we weathered that storm, man. And from 17 years old to right now, man, I'm happy, bro. I'm coming up on my 30. And hip hop. Yeah, my 30. Nice. And in actual years, too.

I mean, he could. You could do that. You could. You could do that. I signed my contract August the 17th, 1987. No, 88, I'm lying. 88. I was 17 years old.

And now 47. That's amazing, man. Ain't shit amazing about being 47, man. You just got to keep waking up. This shit hurts. I want to get to the diary. Okay. That was, I feel, I'm going to skip over the world is going to.

That's mile one, but we can get back to it. No, no, no, go to it. No, no, no. Talk about it. I got some cool shit that happened there. Yo, go ahead. So let me roll. All right.

Is that you playing the base on that? That's my uncle playing the base. Where? Man, I got one of the coldest uncles. Like, my uncle Eddie, and we're not friends. We don't get along at all. So can I interrupt here?

Because I'm confused. You seem like a super friendly guy who has no friends. So why aren't you friends with even your uncle? I've also been. Hey, yo, we should play one, but not right now. But that he's right. They're playing now, though. I'll save it for it later.

Yeah. Like, I'm really cool as fuck, but I don't got no friends. I don't really want no friends. What about us? Can we be, can Questlove, no. That's the second time you've asked to be his friend. I knew that before you asked. Actually, we're being weird and be friends.

I talk to real cool and me and cute cool. Yeah. But the rest of y'all, we're really fucking around right now. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You know, I'm going to get him on chatting with sugar tonight. That's the. So listen. first of all

Mike Dean how did he enter into the to the conversation because so Mike Dean was an engineer aha

okay but Mike Dean played for Selena ah wow okay Mike Dean was Mike Dean was a keyboard player

or saxophone player or some shit for Selena okay but listen though like Mike Dean is a bad motherfucker. Yes, he's cold. You ever heard the intro to Jesse James?

Yes. Mike Dean played that shit. Oh, wow. And Mike Dean, a bad motherfucker. Straight up. We would bring shit to the studio and start making, you know, making songs or whatever.

And Mike Dean would play on that shit. Yeah. And he's a masterful mixer. He's a master. For those that don't know, I mean, right now, I mean, Mike Dean's really getting his moment in the sun.

Kanye has, Kanye's. Travis Scott It I mean The kids Everything He did a panda Right

Did he do panda Well he did stuff On designers' record Oh okay Okay I don't know if I mean It's

Name it Like from two chains To I meant Yeah He's getting his work now He's popping more now But I didn't realize That he

Worked on your records First So he's fucking awesome Yeah So I wanted to ask you About the rap A lot production squad So

N-O Joe Bito Auto What was the deal With those cats How involved Were you in that You forget Me

Right I'm saying I had you in the credits. You better read them fucking credits. I read them, trust me. Okay. What was it like? Would you collaborate with them?

I think that, you know, Joe has his own style and so does Bito. You know, we forgot about Tone. Tone Capone. He's fucking awesome, too. Like, I'd start the production deal. I mean, I start that production movement off. You know what I mean?

Like, from I've seen a man died to my mind playing. I did my mind playing tricks by my mind. I did my whole first solo album by myself. I did all of those beats, except for maybe like, a born killer. And I didn't do Money in the Power, and I didn't do he's dead. Yeah, that was the very, yeah, yeah. I think Simon did that, but I did the rest of that shit.

Wow, okay. All right. Listening to the 96 Ghetto Boys album, The Death Do Us Part? Death Do Us Part, yeah. Read the credit. I probably did all that shit. but about one or two songs too. Putting together that production team,

just everybody collaborating and making great music. I think that's how you make great music. Yeah. You know, everybody's got to want to jam. You know, everybody's got to have an input. It can't be no fucking egos. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have an ego.

Like, let's just jam, let's make the best record that we can make, and then we'll argue about who did this shit the best when it's over with. We'll let the fans decide. I'm jumping around. So the diary. What made you take 99 love balloons? Yes. For going down.

Drugs. Mix, total six. I love that fucking song, man. The first, oh, y'all, my uncle played the bass on that shit. Like, I'm telling you, my uncle Eddie is probably the best musician that I've ever heard in my life. And I don't like that, motherfucker. Just do not get along.

Is that him playing bass on that? I need a favor join Everything. Everything. What's his full name so we can look him up? Eddie Wilson. He's a bad motherfucker. He's bad like Prince, though.

On anything. He can fucking play chairs and jam. But he's blind. He's blind? And he's a fucking asshole, bro. How do you not like a blind man? I'm fucked up too. I don't like that.

motherfucker. That motherfucker don't like me. So, even at that. Sometimes the best collaborations are tension. You know what I mean? He's fucking awesome, man. He's awesome. He's fucking bad. He's weird to hear him compliment. And this is nothing at the same time. Amir, you remember that

show, this is your life where they would bring on different people from your past? Yes. Like, he should be a contestant on that show. Yes, exactly. Just bring all of you. Keep bringing on all the people you hate. Sure. Now can I roll it? We'll fly you out. No, no. Just you know. We'll bring you out, bro.

So did you, I mean, at least with the diary, did you feel as though like that was your... Let me tell you what happened between the diary and the... The world is yours. The world is yours. Okay, so the world is yours. We were smoking like regular dirt-ass weed. I've heard this story before.

when we got to fucking California we were smoking that shit that has you like the fuck is that so that that was not going down 99 love balloons

wow that's called the chronic that shit that shit was mean it made you feel different so it made you think different so when you felt different and it made you think and play different.

It was like, wow. That's when the shit started jamming, I think. I think it was the weed, man. Yeah. What questions I always have for you with going from the diary to the untouchable? Like, it seemed like your production just stepped up a whole other level.

Oh, that was Tongue on? Yeah. Tone of bad, motherfucker, man. Bad. Like, Southside, that was my mom. record on that album. Hey, man, Tone. Wow. Yeah. But Mike mixed.

Mike was he, yeah, because he mixed in touch he mixed a lot of those albums and he played on a lot of those albums. But the production and the mixing and the mastering of those albums right there was second and none. No, yeah, you could hear it.

It went up. Yeah, it was like, wow. Unbelievable. Do you, I mean, do you as far as you being on everyone's like top 10 list and and you know this level of respect that you get do you feel

do you feel valued or like I mean I've never read about you like getting to beef with other rappers and I mean to the level that it was with doing that period the East Coast West Coast and this and that you were sort of like the you were Switzerland Switzerland almost like

you were the happy medium. But did you feel as though like I should be getting more of respect like I pioneered? Nah, man, I'm cool, man. I like being down here on ground level. I like being able to come out to Austin and walk back out through the crowd,

take a few pictures and take my ass on back to my room. You know, I don't want a whole bunch of fucking people around me. You know, I don't need an entourage. I like being down here on ground level with everybody else. treat me like regular people. All right, I'm going to ask you the cliche question

that I hate journalists asking me. But because you're such a pioneer of the South, how do you feel now today that southern culture is so ubiquitous now in hip-hop where it's now... Big-waters. Well, no, no, I'm just saying that it's the... It's a real word. It's the gold standard.

It's, you know, what run DMC's version of New York. York was for hip hop where everyone had to follow that template. Now, Southern rap, especially with, as far as Houston is concerned, like, how do you, do you feel some sort of way about it now or the way that the culture has reinterp, or evolved? Is it evolved or has it regressed? That's kind of what I'm... I'm asking, no, no, but let me finish though, let me finish. Because I feel like, like when we first got started, it was a little.

impossible to break in New York. It was impossible. Nobody in Philly fucked with us. You know, nobody. Scarface's back was that record. Then I got love. Yeah. Then I got love. But everything sound, everybody had their own

identity though. Everybody, now shit sounds like one big, long end record. Yeah. Like everything sounds exactly. We could probably blame the internet for the internet neutralizing. Undefeated. Yeah, it's killed regionalism. You can't tell who's from where everyone sounds the same. And I like that. It's funny.

you say about regionalism because literally I was talking to a good friend of mine from D.C., but we were talking about hip-e-hap. I know, and we were talking about your relationship with D.C. because he was like, you know, in light of the anniversary of celebrating of Biggie's death, he's like, for D.C. dudes, we weren't really in that pop versus Biggie thing. For us, it was Scarface. Then, number one, because he came to D.C. And he performed with Gogo Band that you still do to this day.

Yeah, but can you speak to that in that relationship? And it goes to the regionalism and relationships with different markets like that. I like the idea of D.C. having its own identity, man. Like, D.C. never swapped out and went nowhere else. They was always go-go. You know, you had some dope-ass rappers out of there, you know. But mainly the music in D.C., like, backyard can have a, or R.E. can have a show in D.C. and sell the fucking place out.

They don't need no rapper in it. They don't need no big name. They are the big name. And the whole fucking plays from Wall to Wall and singing the song. I'm like, damn. Shit, I'm glad I didn't close. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, D.C. is like, uh, me and D.C. is like Frankie Beverly in New Orleans.

Like he can always go there and get a check, right? D.C. just said it's like Frankie Beverly in D.C. because, you know, we claim him to. Just like we claim y'all. Oh, yeah, he is. Yeah, he's so right. Yeah. But man, like that. Yeah, we do.

He's like, wait a minute. He's Philly. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. He might have been born there. Wait, you're Philly, so why are you came before D.C.?

I was born and raised in D.C., I got a rep, and that's what it is. On mother. I see. So. On mother. As far as it regressing or progressing, just, do you feel some sort of way about? I do.

Or are you indifferent now? Like, okay, well, it's not my turn anymore. Oh, I don't care about it being my turn, but I still want to hear dope music, though. All right. What's the last dope new thing you heard? Did you was like, oh, alright, you'll make me. Fucking, uh, Kendrick Lamar, love me.

That's a dope. That's a dope. I want to be with you. I would love me. Like, yeah. Like, that's dope to me, man. What did you think about that, the soundtrack? Just not just to, you know, I'm just curious.

The Black Panda soundtrack. Have you heard that since you say Kendra Lamar? And, you know, it's kind of revolutionary in nature in a way. I mean, for what he's saying, and it being such a Marvel film, and you know, some people would feel like that. I'm proud of that film too, by the way. I like the Black Panther film.

And I like the performance of it too. Back on the, do I feel like fucked up? I mean, I wish that everybody had their own identity, bro. You know, I wish that people would just, if, if, see, it's how it went like this. If Questlove did your shit, then you knew his production. Or if Dre did your shit, you knew his production because they didn't sound alike. If Timberland did your shit, you knew who, You know, Timberland.

Oh, man, that's Timberlin right there. You know what it was. Rockwell did it? You know, y'all. You know, yeah. And that's like, the premiere did your shit, you know, you know. Right.

Now, everything sounds like, God damn, that got to be so-and-so, so-and-so. No, that's so-and-so. Boy, shit, that sound like, so-and-so-so. Because everybody sounded like, man. Same, yeah. You know. And it fucks me up because it's no

individual reality in music no more. got there, they just fucked. You know, get you some strings, bro. But at the same time, get you an identity, man. Because that shit you're doing is going to last all of three or four years. At best. All right.

Speak to truth. I do speak to truth. You have records that you heard two years ago that are irrelevant now. And the artist is like, shit. What are going to do now? Right, right. y'all said designer i thought about jokes was funny the beast was pumping

ain't that something what ell say with that shit when it was over orange cheesy rap blues no no what's all something he said the beast is ain't that something anyway that shit is you know i want to i want to have a career man and i want i want to build careers man so one thing i was on to ask you what is the what is the what is the process of you putting your albums together because I'll go on record is saying you are

the most consistent rapper in terms of your albums like you are the most consistent album making cat like ever like all your records and I mean it's straight up like all your records it's I mean it's a ride you just put it on you know we're about skipping nothing

I try to do that that's intentional that's intentional cue okay so what's that's intentional cue I know all right so what's that process I'm a fan. How do you decide what makes it, what doesn't? That feel, man, that vibe, you know?

I mean, do you work on 25 songs and then say, like, here's my final team, man? Every punch is calculated to kill. Every bullet is a shot. It's going to, it's there to do damage. So if I'm going to start on a record, now I'm going to finish that record. I can spend a week on a record. I have a question about your, just your, your, your, your style of emceeing.

I'll say that you're probably also one of the... I mean, not to say that most of the figures in hip-hop are caricatures, but... Probably shit, y'all. Curricatures? A curricula. Who was it?

That was me. That was my fucker. Right, but I will say that you... I mean, on surface, you'll, you know, again, someone that's not... baptized in hip-hop will just take a gander and just say like, ah, whatever, they're just spitting gangstership, but, you know, you, a lot of your approach to your song structure and your lyrics

deal with, like, you having a conscience, you, you, expressing regret, you really having three-dimensional thoughts of these things. And it's almost like therapeutic. I know that you've gone on public record about dealing with depression and that in your life. How, and especially, I guess, with the black people, we never, we were never to... We're always guarded about the idea of therapy or that sort of thing and dealing with depression. But you're going to, can you speak on how, like, is writing... Are writing these songs your way of doing that when you're...

Because you've been mad, vulnerable on your stuff. So it's... You know, we're praising Jay-Z right now for 4-44, like at the end of his career. Right, it took him a while to get down. Yeah, but you were always doing that. I want to give a shout out to my teacher that taught me how to write. You know, Ms. McCleskey, she taught me how to write.

me how to write. And she always said that your story had to have a beginning, was it a climax? No, the topic. It was a piece of statement? Hold on. You got the A, Monta. She'll kill me if I didn't know this shit. It was, um. She listened. She's dead. Oh. What is she listening? Say it like that. She's...

He didn't like her anyway. She's either rich or dead. She's either rich or dead. She did. Yeah, because I was like in the third or fourth grade, but it had to have a beginning, a body, a climax, and an ending. So that's how I wanted to always address,

you know, step to my right. That's how I wanted to do my right. And I always wanted to write about something. I always wanted you to feel that shit and be, oh, my God. God. And then I always wanted to end it right. But most MCs, like Biggie himself will say that a lot of his narrative was based on what his friends said. Okay, well, it didn't happen to me, but I'm going to tell a story about, you know,

what my friends talk about and I'll put in the story for him. But you're, like, I believe that all of your narrative was, I was there in that motherfucking room, huh? Yeah. But what? Is it true? Is that true? I just said to my girlfriend at the other day, I said, maybe, you know, maybe you. Because sometimes you tell me a mirror. I don't recall. You have to look at it like an art. I just figured.

Don't recall. Yeah, you can't claim all the stuff that he's in. Oh, I got. Let's just say that I have witnessed a lot of shit in my time of dying. How do you process that without getting numb? Because that's, it's not normal to see, like, it's not normal to see that much tragedy occur. I'm numb to the point. I only feel fucked up when something bad happens to kids now.

I mean like babies and shit. Like when old people die and shit, I don't even give a fuck no more. They got to be like 12 and below. If old people die, then they made it. I'm talking about over fucking... No, he means like 19, like... 20.

Yeah. Oh, never mind. No, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I'm not serious. I'm not serious. Oh, yeah. It's okay.

If you're old as fuck man and you're a mean bastard, then fuck you, goodbye. I can't wait for you to die. Why are you looking at me? I mean, I feel the same way as somebody. You were looking at me like I'm the mean bastards. Well, you've always been very open about your struggle with, like, depression and, like, bipolar disorder. How do you cope with that now?

Shit, I know how to get in the box. I know how to get out the way, man. Go in my room, you know, go to my... I can stay in the house with... weeks. Do you think we're in a new era with mental health and we can really have these conversations? Because I feel like now, like we weren't having these like 10, 15 years ago. We weren't talking about bipolar. It was crazy. Uncle this. We weren't really diving into what was good. Yeah, they gave that shit a name and they gave it some dope too.

Different, all kinds of, yes, sir, quill, lithium. Prescribe you some drugs. Fuck it. Yeah, it's true. But it is something to it, correct? There's nothing to it, man. Either you want to fucking die or you don't. Like, you know what I mean? Do you're fucking happier You're sad, bro Have you gone to therapy? Yeah, I did two years In the fucking hospital

When I was a kid You know, just back and forth You get to the level four And then they let you out And then you back down At the fucking Pre-level one or some shit You know, that ain't shit

Can nobody make you feel How you don't feel No, they had I had meloril and lithium See, I knew Something about giving young kids Back in them days Lithium and Ritland

But the thing thing is anything for me to write you a prescription, man, I'm down. Oh, that's a motherfucker's crazy. Let's give them some dope. And I don't think that's the best, I don't think that's the best antidote for that. I don't think that's the best fix. You know what I mean? Like, I think that a good ass ass whipping was straightened all of that shit out.

Wait, I wasn't expected that. I thought you was going to take like a lifestyle change, you know, a diet. Like, if you got a kid, that timeout, man. And if your kid is like, your kid has. arches and I understand, but don't let them dope them up. Yeah. But, and if your kid is like, like, my uncle, I got an uncle, right? And they don't give him no medicine.

And he's the cool as fuck. Don't laugh at my fucking uncle. That's not cool. I wasn't laughing, though. Right. Don't look over here. Go ahead. Don't fucking laugh at you, man.

That fucking makes me mad, bro. I don't want to make you bad, Mr. Jordan. Yeah, but when you said, I was trying to understand what you said when you were explaining. He got the bubble. But you just need a fucking ass whipping, man. Like if you're fucking fucking up in school, man, kick that kid in his ass.

They took corporal punishment out of school so you fucked your kids up. Now, see, we just had this whole conversation with Rosario Dawson about beating your kids and seeing now. Beat his motherfucking ass. Listen, look at me. Look at me.

Do it. I got my ass beat. Everybody did. Everybody did. Am I a fucking bad kid? They don't do that. No. They don't do that.

You look at the average 16-year-old. now and he's way worse than I ever. Well, yeah. I was bad as fuck but I never told my mom to fuck off. How about that? I never fought my dad. How about that?

Calm down. I never cussed my grandma out. It's definitely a disconnect, man. You got to take that fucking board. But I also have been that communication. They got opinions now. I mean, well look, I

I, okay, I'm the guy. without a kid. Wait, why you give me the side eye before I give the opinion like you? Because you got beatings, but go ahead. I know you got the whooping. Yeah, we all got it. I was raised by Joe. You turned out to be a great guy.

Yeah, but there's also a downside to that as well, you know. I mean, what's the downside to getting your ass whooped? I wouldn't know. I mean, I did the right thing, but I also had a very strange relationship with my dad, you know. So, no, he was trying to take something out on you. You should let your mama who up your ass. I don't. No.

Daddy shit in Spain. Like back then, like back then in the 70s and the 80s when we were growing up in the 70s, right? Yes, 70s. All right, cool. So back then it was like our dad had like some real pressure. They was under, man. If it wasn't, it was like bills, mama tripping. I'm gonna beat this nigga ass me to get home.

That's how this you're right. You're right. Beat your motherfucking ass as soon as I get home and hang up. You can't beep him or calling back because he ain't got no cell phone. It's like some different shit. Like you got to wait on the work. You got to work. And you don't get, and you don't even know when the ass will be going to go.

come you hear the door closed and shit and they're talking and getting comfortable you in your room and shit they're like go to sleep you're like pretty guy you're getting the bathtub and shit and so as you're walking out that bathtub here this motherfucker come why right you're laughing with that that was basically like I know but that ass who's and listen man the ass whipping help man and now that I'm older and I realize how important those ass whoopens were, I'm cool with it, and I know that can't nobody

make me feel how I don't. If I'm not happy, then fucking, I'm not happy. Who, to mean, shit, get out my fucking room, ma'am. Not in those words. But I don't want to, I don't, I don't, so no more drug prescriptions for

no more lithium at the age of seven. No, fuck no. And this episode of Questlove Supreme is brought to you by asswopens. Yeah. We've had a couple of episodes brought up. We had a couple of them. Anyway. It takes a while to get there.

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Yo, so I got some like rap nerd rap-a-lop questions. Yes. What happened to Too-Low? Shit. Funky little nigger. The fucking system got him. Oh, really? Yeah.

I think that he was introduced to a lot of grown people's shit at such an early age until the shit that he thought that he could get away with. He wasn't smart enough to, you know, get away with. You know, we were smart enough to get away with that shit because we were grown. But you can't be fucking 14 years old and smoke. smoking weed and stealing police cars and shit and not go to jail. Shit. Okay, too low, too much trouble.

That's a lot of twos. Yeah, that's a lot of twos. I think one of the brothers in too much trouble passed. I don't know what drunk D is doing right now. I do know that, what's a little dude's name? The other one. Yeah, he's a maintenance man now. Well, he was a maintenance man.

Okay. Choice. I don't know. I haven't seen her in a long-ass time. I mean. We didn't, we both spoke on it briefly. How did you get in touch or how did you bring Devin to do? What was y'all's history like?

Devin'n Dude in Odd Squad. Okay. So Devon, so the Oz Squad had an album on rap a lot. Fat enough for everybody. Fat enough for everybody. And that was the best fucking album I had ever heard. And I don't think that it did. did what they wanted it to do.

So the odd squad was kind of on the back burner. I took Devin out of the odd squad and put him in FaceMob. Remember the group I had FaceMob? I produced an album on FaceMob, and then that did great. And we doubled back, and I wanted to do a

solo album on Devin. I did Devin's first solo album, you know that? You did? Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah, I did that album. And it was Devin, and the name of the album was, it was the dude. But they just started calling him

Devin the dude. Yeah. Yeah, I fucking pioneered that whole picture in the bathroom, boobooing and all that shit. We even did a commercial, bro. If you get a chance to look up the fucking commercial, it is the funniest shit in the world. Of him in the bathroom?

Yes, Lord is hilarious. Millie Jackson. Yeah, it's an actual video of him getting out in the truck and it's just funny as hell. That was dope, man. We sat down and we did an album on Devin, the dude, and the rest was history. He's the funniest kid I know. Like, he's funny as fuck.

He's still making records. He's still making records. Because every time he touched us, yeah, it's like gold. Yeah, Devin is great, man, and he smokes so much weed. That's awesome, and he's still productive? I, I harold people like that. Look at Steve. Picture of productivity over here, for sure.

I like him. I had a question about, Little Jay, he speaks on it. It's on the intro of, I think it's a meritor's, the marriage album. He speaks on the Little Troy situation. What exactly is that? Oh, I don't know, man. You know, me and Troy reconciled our differences, man.

Okay. He said some things about me that weren't true. And, you know, he had to fix that. So, you know, me and Troy, cool. Y'all good now. Yeah, we all right. Okay, word up. I don't know what him and Jay's relationship is,

because me and Troy, all right. Okay. Yo, what's it required in 2018 to get a scarface feature? Really? The last record I heard you on, well, in terms of Newcast, you on the Freddie Gibbs record, the Freddy Gibbs and Madlip joint. Yeah, I was on that one.

Yeah. Calid, you did a Cowlid record, right? Yeah, but now I'm tired, man. So whoever got he got in is a rap. Yeah, and then fucking thought. Wait, he said, hold up. He said, a lot of people retired that day, man. What happened? Wait, no, no.

Wait, wait. All right, so, Tereke told me, when I told him I was going down, he said, ask. No, sir. Ask Garface, what happened in the studio? He said, you walked away, like, left. Why? He said, end quote, he said, Brad, come on. He grabbed his son and was like, get out of it.

Like, he just walked out of the studio. I heard his new shit. Oh. Yeah. Oh, my God. Which one to join? All of it. Streams and thought.

Oh, my God. I'm purposely not letting people know what's happened with the roots, but a lot of things are about to happen in 2018. Oh. Boy. But whatever he heard just made him walk out. Walked out. But you were supposed to bless it.

He was supposed to bless the mic, but you didn't. I wasn't supposed to bless the mic. Okay. He was just, no. I was listening. But he does one of, you're one of his heroes. Can Black Thought get a feature?

That is my, no. He's my hero. But you're his hero. No, no, he's my hero. Okay, we'll just sit here all day and say, arguing about who's hero. You're cool with that. But I'm not going to go in there fucking with that man.

Damn. Hey, you better leave that man. Damn, Reed. Don't go in there fucking with him. And I'm telling you, I'm warning every rapper. No. No, no, no, no. See, Chad Lynch.

We're, no. Because the thing is, is that what isolated, this is what isolated his first 20 years. We're trying to, we're trying to. I'm probably the only one that kind of like was scared of that 10 minute freestyle because I was like, no, man, because then everybody going to be like, nobody with them.

Oh, that's why we didn't get the Jay record. I wouldn't give it down. They were doing it. That was their excuse. That man said. Because, like, because Jay kind of said, Yeah, he's, say you're scared, say you scared, say you scared, say you scared. I mean, it's one thing, it's one thing, like the whole, I mean, first of all,

NAA's ruined everything with that whole. Not all, you, him and him, kill you on your own shit. Yeah. So that, that line alone made people paranoid about getting killed on the alien shit. And it's like, the only time you're really going to stand next to someone is if they can do something for you. Right. As far as help you raise your profile. So if you get outrined by somebody that has a name,

or nobody don't really do nothing for you. And even though he's every rapper's favorite rappers, technically like he's in every man nobody category. And it's like I can't afford to take an L from someone that I'm. More famous than? More famous than, yeah. Right. It ain't even about the L with me.

It's like, mm-mm. No, but he wants to play in reindeer games. And it's like a lot of the times cats will just say like, I mean, the reason why. It's like it's a lot of pussy's in hip hop. Big pun. No matter. I don't feel like it. Here's the thing.

You know how you got the motherfucker's the champ. And then you got the number one contender. Mm-hmm. And the champ don't want to fight him. That's what Tarek's, that's what he's faced with right now. Because the motherfucker that's on top, whoever he is, whoever he may be. He don't want to get the ring with him. No.

No, no, no, no. I want a Don King situation. What that boy said about that bull inside the China, China. Bull and China shop. Yeah, so it's, damn. Come on young boys, what you got? I want to be. I want him to play reindeer game.

I don't think it's going to happen, man. And it's not on him. I'm going to do a record with him. Say what? You should do it. Oh, God, I'm going to do a record with him. Yeah, for sure. He, I want that.

I want it definitely going to do a record with him. All right. Oh, damn, my shit. I think that's like I can send it to Rieke so he can make sure. No, no. We're taping an episode of Questliff's Supreme right now. Yeah, I'm definitely doing that. He's so fucking dope, man, until, you know.

Well, he appreciates that because you're definitely one of his rhyming heroes. He's one of, he is my rhyme and hero. Is it true that you and Sleepy Brown at one point, we're going to do a blues record? Damn. Wow. Shit, I don't know. But Fonte does. I like the sound of that.

Yeah, me too. Me too. about that room. It was I read it somewhere. I can't remember. But I think maybe it was an interview. I think maybe it was a sleepy interview. Something. But he mentioned something about you and him. You know who Sleepy Daddy is?

Oh yeah. Jimmy Brown from Brick. From Brick. Right. Yeah, yeah. Dope, right? His daddy's so dope, man. So Brick was my hero like like Tariq is my hero. And

I met them on the time join the cruise, man. And man, I said... Who you went? Damn. I'm sorry, bucket list. Go. Go.

I'm black. Wait, if you see unpaid bills face right now. Hey, be ill. Yeah. Go. Okay. No, don't think. Wait.

Oh, man. You're going to enjoy that shit, bro. You should. So, Brick was on the Tom Joyner Cruise show? Not the Tom Joyner Cruise show. The cruise itself. The Fantastic Voyage. He was on the fantastic voices.

Man, if I tell you that they jam like a. Come on. Oh, I heard all night. I got to see it. You ain't done it then? No, I got to see it. It's like I have a day job. Like, I can't go on cruises.

The Tom Joyner Cruise is a party that lasts from six in the morning to six in the morning to six in the morning to six in the morning for seven fucking days. For all the white people, Tom Jordan is a very popular black radio personality who is very rich and been doing radio for about 30 years and does this cruise

and all the black people know about it. And when... I knew it was coming. I know it was coming. Oh, shit. When you get off that cruise is when your vacation starts

because she fucking whipped. It's crazy. Do you will you know that? Who are you? Do you have any, like, buddies that you golf with now? I read that you're into, like, golfing pretty heavy.

Man, I played... I used to play golf a lot with a famous NBA play. a man that is no longer with us, man. Much love to Moses Malone. Most Malone is a bad motherfucker. He couldn't golf work the shit, but he was a good news. I play with, you know, Johnny Gill got a hell of a golf game.

What? Man, fucking black sheep. Dress? Yeah, I see him on IG. Got a mean-ass golf game. Area Foster got a bad. decent golf game. Shit, I know I'm playing golf.

This is so dope. Search the entertainer? Garbage. Word. He got all the clothes. All the clothes. He got some nice shit, but he's going to play. Joe Torrey.

Trash can. Word. Nah, they're my partners, man. They got a pretty decent game. Who else do I play golf with? I don't know. I play golf with a lot of old men. Oh, you know who could play the fuck out of some golf?

Oh, Clyde Drexler, bro. I can believe that, yeah. Yeah, don't fuck with Clyde. If you see Clyde on the golf course, don't even ask that motherfucker for a pitcher. Just walk the other way. You drink, what you do when you golf, you got like a hole? I'm serious.

You just, you don't even have a cocktail. No, I'm going to bet. Oh. I'm gambling, don't fuck with me, don't talk. If you're going to talk and play music, you get in your own fucking cart, don't fuck with me. I want to go golfing. What thing I always want to ask you about your relationship with UGK.

You did the Candy record on the O6 album. Dude, I love that fucking song. I did that record. Is that you playing guitar on that? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That's actually a keyboard. What? Babon, bopo, bopo, boom, boom.

Yeah, I played that shit. Wow. Oh, and that's a, that sample is from, um, the newness is gone. Eddie Kendrix? Eddie Kendricks. Yeah. I didn't know the shit was a sample. It was a sample.

But you see how I fucking manipulated, flipped it and masked it and made it dope. Yeah, that's it. I love that record, man. Have you, are you in Bun, are y'all still like working or whatever? Y'all good. Yeah, we're not working right now. He's been calling me about doing a record, but like I said, I'm retired, man. I am re.

Except for that. Black record except. No, no, I was retired from Rapal out after Emeritus. Oh, okay, okay. Michael Joy. Makes sense, okay. That was the wink. Hey, I'm trying to translate to our radio audience when you just did.

There was a wink in there somewhere. Yeah, it's like to retire and still hold a position. Like, it's Scarface Emeritus, like, I was it. How was Jay Prince when you did the one record, when you did the on Def Jam, how did he take that? How did that happen? I wasn't signed a rap a lot. Oh.

So I was free to go. And what made you come back? Business decision. I did an album and that album was successful, and then I did another one, and that album was successful too. So that was that. Now I'm enjoying my independence. I love being, um, I'm enjoying my independence.

I love being a partner with myself. I'm going to add, what was the, how serious was the Deaf Jam South and you being the president of the label? How serious was it? Well, every time I saw you were in business mode, so I, I had a hell of a staff, man. I didn't even have to do shit, but mastermind, like, the best way to spend this money. You know, the best way to roll some shit out, the best way to not spend a lot. to not spend a lot of money doing shit.

So you signed Lute it to Def Jam, correct? I did. What was it about him that you saw that? Hands off. He did it. He was already there, and that was a great way to Springboard what I was trying to do.

You know, he was already, I think he was 30, 40,000 records in, you know, already? On the first joint. Oh, was it 100? Yeah. The Bat Rabbit? Nah, that was, well, yeah, that was the first,

but the first album, it was... Incognito. Incognito. And that's why he called the Dev Jam album back for the first time. Yeah, I was shooting a World War II, a World War III video with Swiss and Snoop. Oh, damn, I forgot about that again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we was way out somewhere.

I don't know, we were in Long Island or something. We were way out. Way out. And Shocker was saying, yeah, we get ready to go meet with this label, so-and-so-so-so-and-so, so I can't say the name. But I was like, man, before you sign, man, please come see me, bro. And we talked and I relayed, you know, and conveyed to the powers that be that that's what I wanted to do first. And they made that happen. So the rest from there is history.

So Luda's a star. Was he kind of like the perfect artist since he came from radio and he'd already had the other record, like him and Chaka? You got to be a strategist to think like this, but somebody was on the same page. You know, yeah. But I love Luda, man. He did his thing. and you know it put me in a different light in people's eyes like not only can I rap or make beats and shit but I'm a I'm a master fucking planar too

I got a bucketless wrap-up questions okay but I'm trying to think I got oh rap-a-lot question big Mike where's what's the deal with him I haven't seen Mike man he was probably the dopest rapper on rapal lot in my opinion where yeah I think he was you put him over you yeah I think he was dope man you did you his first album? Yeah, something serious. I had that record. But you know who was singing? Flyholes in chains and swing. That was Pimp, right? Pimp. Yeah. That was Pemper, you know who sung, look me in my eyes?

On my song, look me in my eyes. No, who's that? That was Pimp. Wow. Okay. Yeah, Pimpc did. Man, PimC was called his spot. He really was. Yeah. Big Mike was dope, man, to me. Yeah. He was dope. He had a voice. So when he came into Ghetto Boys for the, I think it was to death, was it to death to his part album.

Was y'all y'all still cool at that point? Like, did you welcome him in, like, being on that record? Or was he another stranger in the group? Right. Yeah, he was another stranger in the group, man. Actually, we were friends.

He was in the convicts first. His convicts, yeah. You know 3-2. He's dead. When did he pass? I was about a year ago. Oh, man. Shot him in the back of the head.

Shit. Yeah, his friend. He was walking out of the damn store and dude just knock my pot in the head off, man. I think you're gonna' C.J. Mac. Mad, C.J. Mack. I haven't seen C.J. Mac. I haven't talked

on a long-ass time. I think you might be shooting movies or something, though. Okay. Speaking of which. You good? Yeah. Can we get to my judge? It's like a double judge. Like, I'm waiting. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Jump in. Hey, B. E. Yeah. Feel free to jump in.

Okay. Just like random names. Like, my mother. Yeah. I did a record. with her back in 1990. I said hello. Okay. Yeah. So with Mike Judge,

how did that relationship? Mike Judge is a ghetto boys fan, believe it or not. I can believe it or not, it was the first thing in this clip. Yeah, all through office basis. Huge ghetto boys fan, man. So,

um, we kind of met and hung out and I got a part in the fucking, Eneocracy as upgrade. two D's double dose of my pimper That's a funny ass dude Did you ever think that that film would be so relevant right now? It has no clue

Right yeah That's probably like for him like making bamboozle for me No yeah yeah like making bamboozle back then I was like ah Spike's a little crazy but now it's like Bambozle spot the fuck on spike was right Yeah Have you has any of you Have any of you seen or heard of idiocry?

Mike Judge. It was shot right here in Austin. How can you not know about idiocry? It takes place in the not-so-distant future, and it's about a wrestler becomes president. Close enough. Yeah. Sort of the same thing.

Okay, so before we wrap. The wrestler. Before we wrap up, I just want to know you've made so many appearances on it. everyone's what is your what is your in your opinion your your top three cameos well not cameos even performance but just good experiences of making records was it Pac was it yeah that was a bomb that was a fucking blast because you know if you know two where did you make smile what did you wild all right so he was he was a damn fool in any setting you know only give a fuck if he was at a funeral or wedding or well he was a damn

I'm nut. So we got a chance to record Smile in L.A. at Larrabee, I believe. So you went out there. Yeah, I was in L.A. recording the Untouchable album. Okay. And he came in a Hummer. I was living at the Oakwood in Burbank. Anybody from California? You know what that is?

I know. The Oakwood and Burbank on Barham? Yeah. So I heard we were, and then this is the first time, like I say, we were smoking that shit. And I heard somebody on a loudspeaker say, Brad Jordan, we know you're in there. Come out with your hands up. I was like, oh shit.

I'm high. Motherfucking, he blew my high. I'm like, shit. My cousin, we sitting in the house getting shit. And my cousin, Pete got me. He said, man, that's Pac. We get dressed, go downstairs, man. Get my manager and shit.

And Pac was like, yeah, let's go to the studio, make a song. like, I'm cool with that. Say, come on, get in again. I'm like, no, sir. No, no. I'm not for the ride nowhere with two poxie court, ever. Oh, shit. For one, he didn't have a driver's license.

But two, I knew for a fact that he couldn't drive, all right? So we followed him in the van. He had a black Hummer. Let me tricked out Hummer, old Humble, the old Humvees. And this is him driving. He's driving. He's driving. Oh, God.

And if I'm not mistaken, he's. He was thinking he was by himself too. I think so. We went in and a man, they laid it out. They had all the, he went and got all soul food and Hennessy and shit, man. I mean, he really made that shit out nice, man. And we did the song, the smile song. I laid a verse on and I left.

And a couple of days later, he came to the studio to play me the McAvelli record. And then after I listened to him, I was like, why, this is great. And he was like, he was like, Come on, man, let's go and hit the Hollywood. They had a, what was that shit called? The Hollywood something. I can't remember, but it was like a club. And I was like, man, I got to finish me.

I got to find a single park. I can't. Man, that man, that man got man as fucking me. He said, man, you'd be sitting in here all motherfucking day long, man, trying to find a single, man. Like, that's stupid, man. You're wasting your fucking time, man. Just write a record, man,

and get a. across to the bitches without offending them. Wow. End quote. Words of wisdom. Yeah, but he was right though. And the last word did you say, that's going to be the name of the song. That's how smile came to be.

Well, that's how I came to be. Because I don't spend a whole lot of time in the studio no more. I spend a whole lot of time making the album better, making the song better. You know, I don't waste my fucking time trying to write a single no more because I know that that shit not gonna play no way. I'm just gonna jam. I'll thank my ride coming. I love you.

All right, so can you give us a second one? Like, what was, Tupac was one. Okay, I think that this song that I did with, I think that the Guess Who's Back song was big for me too. Let me tell you why. Because I called Jay and I asked him to do a record with me. And he said, meet me at Baseline. Baseline.

Come on. So we playing the music. You know, Guru was playing tracks. And Jay-Z, he sit back in the corner and he listened to it. And so go to the next one. And then the beat came and he said, ooh. And he'd be looking at you like, Like, I'm gonna kill you.

Right. Woo! And then he went to the studio, I mean, he went in the vocal movement and he took the shit. Right? And he left. Let me stuck at the board.

I'm sitting at the board trying to write this shit. And ended up getting it done. And Kanye got on the record, but that was a Kanye beat, believe it or not, the guess who was back? That was Kanye. Kanye did the mass majority of the fixed album, too, if anybody reads,

credit. That was Kanye West on that. He did this can't be life too, right? Because that was like... He did that. This can't be life. He did that record too. Was that in real time, your verse in real time? Yeah, I was walking and I was getting out of the car service and that shit happened. Like, yeah, it's, my buddy's son got a hold to some hair on

that his grandfather had in the car. And I don't know if he drunk it or swallowed it or some kind of way. But that shit fucked me up pretty bad. And I remember saying counting our blessings because Brad's two. Well, Brad is 20 now. Oh, damn. Yeah, no, that shit flew, didn't it?

Yeah. Yeah, Brad just turned 20 on the fifth. So, yeah. Deep, right? And the third one, man, I can't really remember a great time in the studio. I don't know. I think I went to the studio with Chris Brown and Dave Chappelle and

Most Deaf was in that motherfucker Wow Wait that's the eyes room quite an evening That's the artist fair I've heard Yeah And that was before the Chappelle show too Oh okay Was you doing a record?

I don't know what the fuck I was doing Were you in Cuba in the studio together When y'all did the hand of the dead body record? Maybe But I know that Cube has to leave the studio. Like he'll take the beat with him. Oh, okay. Come back to the next day and lay it.

Okay, gotcha. I don't think he was a spontaneous writer at that time. I did a lot of records with Ice Q. That's one of my phase, man. No, that's the record. I love that video. Yeah, that's one of my phase, man. I love Q. All right, I got one more bucket list.

Oh, let's go ahead. Who came up with the concept for the video of My Block? Oh, my block. Oh, my block. Um. I don't even remember the guy's name, but I did want a seamless video. Yeah. I just wanted to go from one end of the street to the, I wanted to show the whole entire street.

I didn't want no cuts in the video. I just wanted to lay it down. Was there any trick where you used to, I used to watch, you know, frame by frame, like, where the cuts are? No, it's no cuts. It was a railroad track and different scenes were set up. How many takes did it take to? I don't know. We did that shit all day.

We went backwards and then forward, backward and then forward. But wow. It's one of my favorite videos, man. Yeah, I think we shot that shit for like two days. Because we shot like the early part of it one day. And then we shot again the next day. And then we finished it that night. Oh, okay.

Okay. So we got everything out the way? I think we got everything. I got more rap like because we're good. I just want to say, man, just thank you for everything you've done. Just want to give you your flowers. Yes, yes. Thank you.

honesty. I'm really honest. I can't help it. Oh, okay. I did think. So. Hey, this is the PS right here. It's PS.

Okay, so I told Willie Dee some years ago, and you can confirm this story if you were there. He said that at the intro of we can't be stopped, where it's like, first we beat on the dough,

then we kicked the motherfucker in. Where the door gets kicked down, he said they actually kicked the door down in the studio to make that sound effect. I don't remember that. Okay. All right.

But I wasn't never in the studio. with him though. So y'all did all that stuff. Several, okay. Yeah, we had verses. I remember, now if you listen to the part on murder by reason of insanity, when it goes, that was a real click. Yeah, I was supposed to see, y'all guns effects were like real because we went out to the ranch and shot guns and

shot guns and sampled them on, listen, man. We went out to the ranch and shot guns and put them on dats. Ah, shit. Yeah, I was going to say the sound of your guns. your guns were real? Yeah, they were a little too real. They were probably a little too real, bro. Seriously.

I'm good, man. Anything, Steve, anything that's just played one more time? Just smile. Well, no, no. No, I don't give him that shit. I wouldn't give him anything. It's the only way to close the show. I would end that shit like this right now and be done.

I wouldn't give him anything. Oh, you shout up. I told you I was mean as fuck. Yeah. No, your record collection. I just want to ask you about. your actual, not what you're listening to, but you're like, you have your grandma's records still,

your uncle's records or any, you have a large record collection. That's my question. Seems friendly enough. I have some shit. I got, you know what I do have, that's like a great album to have. I have the Marvin Gay, Here My Dear, Double Album. I have that, I can remember for sure. I got Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon shit.

I got Kiss Double Platinum, you scribber that one? Yeah. Look at these vinyl snobs. are not impressing them. They're like, yeah. Well, he sounds like he only has three records. But I was hoping for a larger. Quality, not quality.

Both you and me are hands crossed with. I was hoping. I got some shit, but you know what it's like me? What are your five? Oh, this question. No, because he seemed like a guy that needs to. The Desert Island, top five. No, not even Desert Island.

Because I feel like you need music to meditate and to calm you down sometimes and to zone out. So what are the five records that you choose? What are your go to when you drive in the car, like, you gotta hear this record. I, like, wrapped around your finger by the police. I mean, I like that synchranesity album a lot. Yeah?

I like the Marvin Gaye. Yes, you're going to your Pandora. I gotta go to, no, yeah. You're going to your Pandora. I'm going to my shit. You know, Peter Gabriel had a bomb-ass. You know, I go to that. The So album.

Yeah, but I think that, like, When I really want to really ride and meditate, I turn on like Bob Marley's, I turn on his whole shit, you know, from natural mystic to... Rous and Man Vibration. Oh, Peter Tosh. Can I admit something? I am what I am. I am. I am.

I am this son of Moses. You cannot move. I at all. Like, he was awesome, man. Can I admit something on my show? What's that? Yo, as much as a music snob I am about these 100,000 records, my morally IQ is, like, devastatingly low.

No, we're there as well. You two? Yeah, I know legend. That's like the only one I know. That's like the college. I know legend, but that's about it. If you're 80s college student or 90s college student, like, that's the record. You're disappointed to say the least.

No. All right, we're the last two. So synchronicity. Maybe so. Uh, Marley. Marley. Said Marlon.

Oh, then what's your last one? Hey. Midnight Mara. Yeah, that was my coach. All right. I mess with that. Nice with that. All right, so ladies and gentlemen, please give it up

for the one and only Scarface. Oh, man. This is amazing. Oh, I. Thank you to the fine folks. to the fine folks at South by Southwest. Yeah. Yeah.

Thank you to the gas. At the gas. At the gas. I've performed here before. Yeah. Thank you, Gatsby. I've been up there before as cool as hell up at the top there.

We're all going to get tattoos afterwards and walk to the gas station. I think that, um, I think that fucking cleansing pill is kicked in. All right. And that's a wrap. On that note, ladies gentlemen. I'm just playing. I'm playing. I plan.

Now, we're out of here. On behalf of unpaid bill. Fontecolo, it's Laia, Sugar Steve, and the one-only Scarface. This is Kuslov signing off. We will see you on the Mexico round. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming.

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