The Questlove Show - Black Music Month QLS Classic: The Pointer Sisters

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

Remembering the late Anita Pointer and Bonnie Pointer for Black Music Month, listen back to Questlove Supreme's special 2019 episode with The Pointer Sisters. Anita, Bonnie, and brother Fritz tell Team Supreme about growing up in San Francisco, breaking barriers in Country music, and writing a new chapter for the group during the 1980s.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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episodes with Wayne Brady and the legendary James Poyser, both of which were filmed in studio. Black music is deeply important to me and has been an influence throughout my entire career. It's also something to celebrate here at QLS. Today's episode is The Pointer Sisters from 2019. Like several of the interviews we are revisiting this month, this one has special significance as Anita and Bonnie Pointer have since passed. In this interview, they were joined by Brother Fritz. It's a special one. Suprema. Suprema. Suprema role call.

Suprema, sub, sub, subprima roll call. Supremia, sub, sub, subprima role call. Supremma, sub, subprima role call. One, two, three, four, five. Yeah. Six, seven, eight, nine. Yeah. 11, yeah, 12.

Roll call. Supremma, sub, sub, sub, sub, suprema, roll call. Suprema, sub, sub, sub, sub, suprema, rocal. My name is Fonte. Yeah, I'm feeling free. Yeah. You gotta believe in something. Yeah.

Why not believe in me? Roll call. Supremma, sub, sub, sub, suprema, rocom. Supremea, sub, sub, suprema rocom. My name is Sugar. Yeah. Can't hide your desire. Yeah.

Because my roll calls. Yeah. Fire. Roll call. Suprema. Suprema, sub, sub, subprima roll call. Suprema, sub, sub, subrema, role call. One of the sisters are here, y'all.

Yeah. That's what you need to know. Yeah. Boss Bill's so excited. Yeah. Like Jesse Span. Roll call. Suprema.

Oh, my God. Suprema. Role call. Suprema. Subrema, sub, sub, sub. Suprema. Superma. Role call.

This la I am, with the pointers, thanks ma'ams. Yeah. But teaching me about them slow hands. Roll call. Supremma, sub, sub, sub, subprima roll call. Supremma, sub, subprima, roll call. His name is Fritz. Yeah.

I'm glad to be here. Yeah. With all you folk. Yeah. I love so dear. Oh, call. Supremma, sub, sub, sub, subprima, Ro call.

Supremea, Sura. Submma, Sucrema. Supraima roll call I'm Anita And I'm excited To be here with you Woo, Supremma Roll Call Supreme A Roll Call

Supreme Supreme A Roll Call Supremma Subrama Role Call Your Bonnie P wants to be in the house Melt me, you get routed Supremia Oh God

Rollsaw Supremia Supremisa Supremia Roadcar. Wow. She just remixed it. She remixed it.

I'm at first. Nice. That's fun. I like that song. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Questlove Supreme. Surprises abound,

ladies and gentlemen. Yes. Even for us. Yes. This is an amazing day. We have Team Supreme. What's up? Yeah, it don't even matter.

Whatever. Solid. Anyway. Shout out. to Jesse Spino. Yes. I thought you were going to go the obvious route to say, I'm so scared. I was going to, but, you know.

Oh, okay. That was too obvious. I see. No, no. Good, good, good, good work there. Thank you. What can I say, ladies and gentlemen, we have what I consider a dynasty. Yes.

An absolute dynasty. In my opinion, one of the, probably the, what I would call the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. ultimate metamorphoses in black music covering jazz, country, pop, rock, soul, R&B, you name it, this entire family. And to have Bonnie here, that was such a funny. Oh, my God. I'll walk the end. Wait, before we start, are you still go with your Esther Phillips imitation? Oh, for sure.

Oh, yeah. Drive a little on this. I got a con-co feeling said it's like I surround my heart. Oh, Jesus Christ, ladies, gentlemen. We want to welcome Bonnie, Anita, and Fritz the porters sisters and brother.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We thank you for giving us the honor of

celebrating your book which is entitled Fairy Tale. Yes. Yes. A pornor sister or a pointer family. What's the complete title? Fairy tale of the Pointer Sisters Family Story. Okay. And fairy tale, of course, named after your historic Grammy.

Our last Grammy award-winning song. Ironically for country. Yes. Yeah, for country. Best country vocal by duo or group. Yeah. It was written by me and Bonnie. We went over the Oak Ridge Boys and the Stadler brothers.

Oh. Great country. And we went to Nashville, Tennessee. David Rubinson was our producer. and he was just amazing, and he had lived in Nashville, but he took us there to record it in Nashville with the opera musicians. All opera musicians were there at the studio.

And they didn't know that we were black at first, and they said, when we got on state, they said, hot damn it them gals, it's black. That was when we were at the Grand Ole Opry, and we were the first black females to ever perform there. Before Charlie Pride. It was a welcoming surprise. They loved us after we sang the song, though.

A thousand times. They had us sing it three times. Really? Yeah. They kept saying, sing it again, gal. Yeah, so it was funny. It was fun. It was a-d-draggin-for.

It was really surprising. So this was a collaborative effort from all of you as far as, like, is it an oral history book, or how is the book formatted? It is a collaborative effort from all of us. My brother Fritz is the writer. Okay. And we fed him information. Yeah, he's Professor Fritz.

Oh, wow. Thank you. He just retired from Contra Costa College. University, yeah. Yeah, I taught for 35 years. Yeah, university. He was a professor at Contra Costa University. What did you teach?

Luther College. I was in the English department, but I taught African history and African literature, both oral and written African literature. And so I taught those courses. for 33 years. I hear it. And we had to sit there and learn them. And he was such a wonderful teacher.

It was so great because in Oakland, growing up in Oakland, we got no history, black history in our schools. And when my brother came back from college and set up a center, and we called it the Black Student Study Group. And he taught us history that we never knew, you know, important things that black kids should know to feel proud of themselves. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like a grillo because, you know, the grio is someone who, the grio is someone who, you know, recites poetry and history.

And then, but the grillo needs some sort of heroic act in order to write about. And so I consider my sisters the heroines in this and I'm the grillo who records their heroic deeds. What nice? You're nice. Yeah. Really? I'm telling you. So, yes.

Can I, can I assume one of my favorite songs by you guys? when like I've been listening, oh, I know your whole catalog, like the back of my hand. But the, the intro to steamed heat where you guys talk about your radiator. So can I assume that was autobiographical, like just. No, it was really written. It was not what we experienced. We didn't have steam heat in Oakland. There was no steam heat in Oakland.

We were talking about the play. Was it a pajama game? It was a pajama game that I did in high school. I did that play in high school and brought it to the group when I started. So I'm thinking like, wow. They had no heat in the house. In high school, we sang that song in a pajama game. And then I like that song.

So then I brought it to my sisters after I graduated from school and started the Pointer Sisters. So what was your early childhood? memories like growing up in Oakland. What was Oakland like back then? I thought it was a great town. I had fun. I had a lot of fun. It's different now, of course.

It's different now. It's changed so much. And we lived right across the street from DeFirmary Park. That's where all the Black Panthers would have their rallies. But even before those times, we used to play at that park every day. It was our babysitter. You know, we went to college school. and go to DeFirmary Park and play and Mother didn't worry.

We went to charm school and everything like that. There was charm school? We went to charm school at the Fermi Park. Charm school, cooking school, dance classes. Yeah, because the only time we heard about that was Motown. No, we had to go walk with books on our hands and hold our purse this a certain way and have certain clothes and gloves. The mother made us do that.

It's awesome. Yeah. I think it's really good for women to have that. And Fritz talks about that too with the. the importance of the parks. Yeah, my brother now is commissioner of Parks and Rec for the city of Tacoma, and it's an elected position. They have to vote him in every year,

and he's been re-elected for like three times. Yeah, Aaron. And he is really concerned that the parks have seen a decline, and they don't have the kind of upkeep and maintenance that they should have. Because when we were growing up, we could play basketball at night under the lights. And they did all the time. And it was such a wonderful experience. that. We checked them all out of the...

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. How many of you pointers? I'm sorry, are there? Six. We don't know maybe some of you are. Listen. Not you. I'll do it. Everybody has so very accomplished. There are six children. Six children, okay.

Six children, yes. Erin is the oldest. Aaron is the oldest. And he was a professional baseball player as well. Yes. He played for... An NFL referee for many years, too. He just retired from the NFL.

He was... He played for the Chicago Cubs and Houston Astros, and he was retired from an NFL. And he's the last professional baseball player to bat 400. Yeah. No one has ever done that except our brother. And he stopped playing, what, 50 years ago? Yeah. And they still have not broke his record.

Yeah. What an amazingly well-rounded family. Yeah. Yes. And we grew up in a house with 15 people. Yeah. And our cousins, Paul Silas, and he's a now, he was a professional. basketball player with the Boston Celtics and the Cleveland Cavaliers first

coach. LeBron Van James coach. It was his first coaching with the Cleveland Cavaliers, our cousin, Paul Silas. Yes, yes. We have quite a thing to keep up with, you know what I mean? Look at your brothers. What are you going to do? Aaron, then me.

Okay, well, then Ruth. And then Ruth. And then Ruth, who's not here. She's in Boston. And then Anita, then Bonnie, and then June, who's not here with us. Yes, but there were, we had a, oh, God, we had an exciting childhood. I mean, there were so many jobs in Oakland. Oakland was just full of employment.

All everywhere, never worried about work. Never. And then all of a sudden it just, the, you know, the offshoring and the, you know, relocation of industry, and now it's just depleted. What was the main industry? Well, I think the main industry was steel. They had a U.S. steel, but they also had a huge, like, I remember the carnation. The Biscoe company was there. El Monte was there.

El Monte was there. Carnation was there. I never worried about a job. Job was not an issue when we were growing up. It just became that way. Oh, God, last 20, 30 years, it's just because it becomes really just depleted. All the jobs left. And they put in liquor stores and crack, of course.

Of course. And I remember going around the neighborhood, collecting people's old magazines. And then going back through those same neighborhoods, selling them. or a nickel. And that's the reaction I would usually get. They were laugh. I had this magazine. Every now and then I'd get one mixed up.

Every now and then I get one mixed up that I got it from and I'll give it back to them. Oh, God. But we didn't worry about nobody shooting us or kidnapping us or, you know, it was a great neighborhood. You know, where people were trusted. No guns. No. You know, no. Not until we went to Arkansas.

No, just kidding. You know, move to Arkansas? Oh, Anita. Me and Bonnie went to Arkansas one year. I went three times. I went in the fifth grade, the seventh grade, and the 10th grade. The seventh grade, Bonnie wanted to come with me. So she came with me, and it was a hell of a trip to.

We rode all the way from Oakland to Arkansas and a big old transfer truck. 18-wheeler. Because the guys, people were moving furniture back. I was in the... They had like a little apartment set up in the back of the truck. And we left our family and... Me and Bonnie. drove back to Arkansas in that truck.

We spent about $2 the whole trip because they were stopping to get us cereal. I was like 12 or 11 or 13. Yeah. Wait, this wasn't the visit family down south. It was just. No, we were going to visit our grandmother. We were headed to Grandma's house. They were saying they were shocked when that big old truck pulled up and

wonder who delivered a cattle to the house. And then we wanted, while we were there, it was, it turned into Halloween. and we wanted to go trick-or-treating because we were from California. Okay. And we thought we can go trick-or-treating, and they said, no, you cannot. Well, Grandma just told us, don't be out after dark. Right after dark, right. Not past the city line.

There was a city line where, and we lived right, grandma's house was right on that line. From that line, yeah. White side of town was just on the other side of the street. We lived on the other side right across the street. And where it was gravel on our side, and it was paving on the white side. Right, all the roads on our side were gravel. roads. All the streets on the white side were paved roads. But it was probably good for you guys to see that and be exposed to it.

I couldn't believe the conditions there. When I went there, it was like I might have been going to a wild jungle somewhere, just, you know, where people are living off the land. They didn't have indoor toilets, and this is in the 50s. And I think that's where Anita got her country. Roots. Yeah, because I kept going back. Yeah, she kept going back, and she would sit outside these speakeasies and listen to.

The Jukes. Yeah. The jug joints, baby. The jug joints. They told him. They told us not to go. Right. Albert King and B.B. King.

Yeah. Call and Wolf. Yeah. So she, that's what I think she got her chops. Her southern, so her, you know, her country chops are genuine. They're not fabricated. You did a song with Earl Thomas. Conley.

Conley. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. And we went back to the Grand Ole Opry and we were presenters at the, the country music awards that year.

And they never said mention of that. That just comes to you. That just came to me. How was music officially introduced to the family? Who's the first to? Was it church? Was it radio? And our mother was a singer.

She sang at home all the time. To sing to wake us up. You know, and singing to put us asleep. And she was a good singer. She sang solos at church. And, of course, we being the pastor's children, we got in the choir and we sang. And it really was good training for us. I think so, too, because I think that's where they learned to sing harmonically and also thing together

because, you know, having to audition for a position in the choir, then they place you in different places. And so you begin to learn your voice and where you belong and how to hold on to your own note and how to be in your own group. And so it was excellent training for learning to sing, and learning to sing, group singing in particular. Because we were like,

don't get in my key. Do not get in my notes. You get in my key, you in droll. And then we look at his own state, like, did you just get in my key? You gotta find you another note. Okay. That leaves me to ask,

your sister Ruth, who's world famous for her base vocal, Yes. When did she develop that voice? Was that always there or her? Yeah. She always had a low voice. It was so weird how we all just had those.

Different. Yeah. She didn't develop, but she had it. And she said she worked on it too by screaming at our basketball games. Oh. She had yourself worse. Right. That could be true.

That could be true. Yeah. I used to love to get horse at those games and they'd be screaming. Yes, yes. Because we had an amazing sports school at a horse. sports school, our school, McClimin's High School. So many great basketball players They never, ever, ever, ever,

lost a game. Yeah, yeah. The girls were faint and die if they did. What was the first 15 years? Well, actually, it was like five years or so that we hadn't lost again. I wouldn't go stay in high school that long, but. I know, but I mean,

for five years. Five years. All the five years they were there. Too much basketball. Never lost a game. But some of the names like Bill Russell went to our school. Wow.

Yeah. Frank Robinson. Who else in there? Corrine? No, no, no, no. No, I thought that was him. But also Frank Robinson, the first Major League baseball coach, Bill Russell,

considered the best basketball player ever. Wendell Hayes, Veda Pinson, all of these guys, Joe Ellis, all these guys became professional athletes. Yeah, what happened to Joe Ellis? So they called us the School of Champions. Really? Because we would just, that was our thing,

you know, winning. We love winning. And we did win. And we'd be so happy. Black, huh? Yeah, McCleman's. So that's how I was able to go to college on a scholarship. My brother and I both and my cousin went to a university on athletic scholarships. Yeah. Yeah, my fact, my uncle and my father got together and said, well, if you want my cousin, Paul Silas, because he was really the star. And so if you want him, you got to take Fritz. And so that's how I got to go.

They negotiated you. Wow. That's what I. They negotiated me in. Wow. Oh, my. Aaron was already gone. Yes, Aaron was already gone. Yeah. But they said, if you want Paul, you got to take Fritz. That's like that.

Yeah, so I was able to go. Yeah. Yeah, so they took me out of reform school to go to play basketball. So what year was the, what year was the band officially started? I didn't know that. You know that. You know what I thought of reformed in school. That's a back for history.

Dang. Is that in the book? Tell me something. I didn't know. That honor goes to Bonnie. She's the one who's had the vision. She's the one who stepped out and said, I got to do something to Ruth and Anita were working jobs.

You know, Anita was a secretary typing, and Ruth was working as a key punch operator doing computer stuff, and well, not before computers, key punch. And June was too young, but Bonnie said, hey, I want to do something different. And so she took that ride over to San Francisco and she and June started singing together. Pointers of pair, they were called.

How culturally different was San Francisco to Oakland in the late 60s? Because I know that people consider like a total, totally different. Really? So the whole idea of this utopian love thing that's happened. Why do you think I'm still dressed like that? So that wasn't happening in Oakland? at the time? Or was it just like

Black Panthers, a militancy was on that type? We were part of the Black Panther U.S. U.S. in Oakland when it happened with Huey Newton and at the Black Church and then, you know, Panther Party. But then on the other side of... Then on San Francisco. It was the hippie, you know,

movement and all the free love. Free love, yeah. And it was... Rock and roll. It wasn't so much of that in Oakland, but you did see some of it in Berkeley. You know, more by the colleges, they had a lot of, you know, I used to call it berserkly. You go there's acid and mesculine and things like that.

People living in communes. Psychedelic drugs. Yeah. Oakland had a lot of political infrastructure when I returned from college. The Urban League, the N.A.C.P, the Nation of Islam, you know, African American Association. All of these organizations were doing work in Oakland, you know, and that was really a very political, more political. scene than San Francisco, you know, so we got enmeshed in that. In San Francisco, we're part of the Northern California Black Panther Party before the

Malana Roncarenga. Before the Black Panther Party for Self Defense. We were talking about here with Intume because they were talking about the whole establishment of Kwanza and whatnot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, there's a film in the movie called The Panthers about our organization when the Black Panther for Self Defense came from Oakland. San Francisco and shot up our party

and said we should not call ourselves Panthers anymore. We can't use that name anymore. Yeah, so we said, okay. And stole our money. Stole our money. Now you're okay, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, because we wanted to be aligned with Louns County, Alabama and the Freedom Democratic Party at Fannie Lou Hamer. And so I know I need another. We're talking about going to

there to be a part of that movement, but it was Stokely Carmichael. So we did a lot of work there. And I was writing poetry with Angela Davis at the time. You can't say what? I did write a couple of points with Angela Davis. Really? Did you publish him? Are they...

Can you find it? No, I have them in my head. Well, Huey Newton was hitting our body. Tired, sick and tired, being sick and tired, lost in the wilderness of white America. Are the masses asses? Coo, said the master to the slave. No problem. Don't robinson.

I'll be your driving wheel. Coo, baby. And he willed us into 300 years of black madness from hogguts, breeching creams, promises and Uncle Thomas's to the streets, to Watts, to kill. Boom, two honkies gone. Motherfucked the police in pockets of the two black people tired. Sick and tired of being sick and tired. Amen.

Oh, yes. That's the people. Dang. Yes. You were saying that Huey Newton used to hit. Yeah, on Bonnie. In fact, in fact, the night he was. He was got Bonnie.

Yeah. He was fine, though. Yeah, he was fine. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Beautiful brother. He sure was. Fritz had the center open that night and we were having a party.

Yeah. And he came. Yeah. And he tried to get Bonnie to leave with him. Did I? And she didn't go. You didn't go? But a little while later we get this phone call.

Huey's been shot. Yeah. So we all get together and go to Hyland Hospital. Yeah, we got a caravan of about 10 cars and went to the hospital just to stand around. Out there standing there was free Huey because they have arrested him saying he had shot a cop. Yeah. And yeah. So we went there.

to just make sure that they didn't do too much harm to him. But the Oakland police let us know, you better get out of here. He came with their dogs, with their guns. You could hear them all doing things. They stood in a line and everyone dispersed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we ran away.

Don't get that hell out of there. What about you? To live another day. Oh, yeah. Did we jump over that fence one time? Oh, that was just at a crazy barred party. There was one drive-by in my lifetime. Yeah, we were in a drive-by.

And that was in Oakland. Yeah. And we were at a party in the backyard party. And the guy had had a fight with somebody back there and came by shooting. And we jumped the fence and got away. And guess what the car was that we got in? A convertible. Oh, there's a safety guy.

And a convertible. It was a pink convertible, a pink converter. Cal-Lat convertible. We're trying to duck low on the floor and they're shooting. Oh, my gosh. Gosh. So then, Rich, you're already ready for this book to be optioned as a movie. Yes, we are.

It'll be out in February. It'll be out in February. February, this coming year, February. Black History Month. Oh, yeah. Black history month. I'm going to so black, how black heart it. Yeah.

Get black about a day. Listen. So, back when it was porn as a pair, you guys were signed to Atlantic, I believe. No, we weren't signed to. Anyone then? No? We were just singing all over to San Francisco and everywhere. Okay.

China was me and Bonnie in June. Yeah, we became with Anita. When Anita joined the group, then we became the Pointer Sisters. Okay. And we're signed to Atlantic. And signed to Atlantic. Jerry Wexler saw us. We were playing at the Trubodore.

We were backup singers. Me and Bonnie and June were backup seekers for groups in San Francisco. Yeah, we were singing. I don't know when my Sylvester records, I've seen your names. Oh, yeah. Great. Yeah. We were his backup singers.

We have so much fun with them. We were seen with Elvis. He had the best clothes. What about the show is like? Wow. I'm talking about clothes. He had flying chickens on stage. Hoops would fire.

People jumping through the hoops. And just people on swings. It was just like a circus. And we could have come out there and be singing our hands off as high as we could go. because his voice was high. Yeah, right. And he wanted us above him. Yeah, right.

Our fans would be popping out of our neck. He would be like, oh. I think you said, did you, did you attend his wedding at first kind of gay. The first gay wedding in San Francisco, Sylvester. You made me feel. Wow. Y'all went to Sylvester's wedding. What was that like?

In Golden Gate Park. I know. Golden Gate Park. Who sang? What was the first dance? I don't mean, I don't remember we were too high. Like, that was. It makes sense to me?

It was, what was it, 70, 72, 71 or something like that? Yeah. Yeah, it was like 72, 71. Yeah. Just before we did our album, we were finishing our album at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, we loved his clothes. When was the trip, there was a trip where they took to, I think, Mississippi, when they told you you couldn't sing, they had to sing, you couldn't sing your music. Yeah, that was what I was, when we did that thing with Elvin, at Whiskey a go-go with Jerry Wexler was in the audience. And he called David Ruben instead, I want to sign these girls. And like the next day, we were off to New Orleans.

And from New Orleans to be with Wardale-Kazer. And from there, we went to Jackson, Franklin's producer, huh? Yeah, Jerry Wexler was, Aretha's producer, yeah. And we got there, they gave us like five songs to learn overnight. Okay, because of the intricacies of your presentation.

First of all, when you're the Pointer Sisters, did you guys come out the gate in the sort of filtered Andrews sisters' 40s stick thing that defined you guys for your first blue note record, blue thumb album? Like was it, did you guys come out the gate as in, okay, our approach is going to be these 40s? harmonies with dresses and... We had the 40s look, but we wanted to sing everything. All kinds of songs. But the first two albums, we did stick with jazz.

We did a lot of jazz on the first two albums. That's about to say, you're doing cloudburst at like 900 BPM. So, like, how would you guys rehearse that? Because that was so intricate. Start off slow and end up fast. Yep. Yeah. We worked on it for, you know, weeks.

We sing it slow. Everybody get their note. He's singing slow and every day you speed it up. It's so hard for me to imagine that because, I mean, now with technology, I can go on the internet, look up lyrics, you know, instantly repeat stuff. But, you know, like there's a lot of words in cloudbursts. I know. We got recognized in the Encyclopedia Britannica for singing 500 words a minute.

Yeah, I know. Like, how long did it take you before you mastered it perfectly? After we fainted in the studio and then woke up. A few times. A week, two weeks maybe. Yeah, we were working every day for hours. We go to David's office and just had a keyboard player that would just play it. You can tell.

Like, that to me, like, I feel like whenever I want to put somebody down. I was new and I was always way. Oh, no, don't know. So you're singing a slow now. Don't you dare start. I know, right? I know from first you were my love because that's been old great clobbers. My heart really flew the day you caught.

My eyes, I hope they were to whatever said. Goodbye, clouds of gray house. They're lining the wind of verse. I found your love, and that's when your great clubburst. Yeah. Well, one of the things about that is that, you know, when they went to this southern event, they were told that they'd not supposed that they wanted to put them in a mold and with the, the, uh, Yeah, when we went from Jerry Wexler said he wanted to sign us, they sent us down there to Wardell,

because they're, and we went in singing country songs and what else we have? Jada. Do we have Jada then, too? And some other songs that. And they laughed in our face. They told us, you can't sing songs like that. You guys are black girls and you got to sing R&D. You want you to sound like the honeycombons.

That's what they told us. And so then they gave us this song called Don't Try to Take the Fifth on me. Yeah, they gave us some songs that we were, oh, Lord. We did them. Yeah, we did them. And they put them out. They didn't do anything. We knew there wasn't us.

Objection. Not going to work. Not going to work. You're going to admit, you guys, you guys approach. Your approach, though, was very unorthodox, though, because you guys were like the first throwback group, even though throwback wasn't a thing back in the 70s. You know, like the whole nostalgia culture thing didn't really,

wasn't a thing yet. You guys were even taking it before the 50s. You were taking it to, like, 20s and 30s and 40s. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So how did you guys convince? Well, your Stenant Atlantic was short.

You went to Bob. Was Bob Krasnell president of? Uh-huh. What made him see the vision of you guys and what you could be? I think it was David. David Rubenson. David Rubinson had the vision. He was familiar with the catalog of jazz and Lambert Hendrickson Ross and

Dick Dizzy Gillespie and Duke Elling. and he wanted all of them. And when they said, you know, we can sing anything. Don't put us in a box. Then David must have heard that and said, okay. And then they'd be able to do it. They went, yeah, yeah. And so what, yeah.

Sing what you love. When we got the record back from New Orleans that Wardle O'Cazer did that we recorded in Jackson, Mississippi, David Rubinson took the record and threw it across the room as hard as you could. He hated it. I'm talking vinyl. It wasn't no of the TV. He did, wow. Oh, he hated it.

This is not what I wanted for you to do. This is not what I wanted for you. It's not the vision, huh? Yeah, it wasn't what we wanted to do either because they just, you know, didn't let us do our music. They took one country song that we took to them, Tulsa County. Oh, my God. Don't know. Oh, yeah.

How can I forget? And they took that song and you wouldn't recognize it after they finished with it. They rearranged it into an R&B country song. So it doesn't even sound country anymore. So the guy they all was singing and then read the music. You can't sing that. You black, you can't sing no country music. Right, right.

And that reoccurred when they went to the Grand Ole Opry and they had signs out in the front greeting them saying keep country white. Wow. Seriously? Yeah, yeah. Keep country country country. Yeah, in front of the Grand Ole Opry. That was the original, Make America Great again.

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Yes, we can, can't, which was 72, 73, 73, 74. Alan Toussaint wrote that for you guys. Alan Toussaint wrote it. Well, I know that Lee Dorsey did it. Yeah, he did it first. How did you, what was the idea was it to cover that song? It was a pointer sister. It was our idea.

We had the record at the Lee Dorsey album and we took it to David and said this is the message we want to get to the world. So then we wrote the BAMP, the end of the song, but Alan wouldn't give us any credits on it. He said the song was complete. It's still my song. I gave you no writer's credit. even though we wrote the whole end. Now at the time, all the people come together as an equal,

take the burden off your brother, got to love one another. How can you sit there? Like there's nothing to do, just like you don't care what this world's coming to. There's so many needy, so many poor, but love and understanding is the key to the door. You know? And, you know, for their first debut performance,

what club was that, the built, was it where you did? No, where you did the, where the clan was in the uniforms. Oh, that was that piece. Bimbo. Bimbo's. Bimbo's. In San Francisco. Our back band was dressed as Klu Klux Klan.

Their debut performance, the first professional performance, the band was in a Ku Klux Klan uniform. And we were dressed like Billy Holiday. And they thought that was funny. And the band was dressed in hoods and capes. And they were playing their guitars

and playing the drums in their hoods. What? Sounds kind of funny now, actually. That's not really. That's not in 2018. They're making a comeback. Hey. Oh, Lord.

That show would be a hit today. Oh, yes. But our whole backup band was the Ku Klux Klan. Can you believe it? Can you believe it? And we were dressed like Billy Holidays and everything. That was so wonderful. I didn't even notice the band until after we got off the stage and I saw pictures.

Yeah. So wait a minute. You're trying to tell me that. I didn't turn around to them. Not once. I was so nervous. doing our first show. I didn't even realize they would dress like that. We didn't know who the band was. I didn't really, I didn't care because I wasn't paying them no

attention. Yeah. Wow. And I just, those three 60. Ooh. Yeah. That was our very first, uh, our first American show. Really? At Bimbos? Really? Oh my God. In San Fran? Yeah, like 1993. Oh, my same place. Oh my God. Did you have the clan band too? No, we did not. No, no, no. Wow, 93, 20 years later.

I can't imagine it. So what was the touring circuit like for that specific period? Because I know that at least with the Summer of Love, like between 67 and 73, Bill Graham was into mixing, you know, Miles Davis in the Grateful Dead. Like, would you guys fit in anything that was Bill Grammish at all? He was our manager. Oh, wow. Yeah, he managed.

He managed the point of sisters. Before David Rubinson, yeah. Fillmore West, Fillmore East. Yes, he was our manager. But he said,

shh. He didn't want people to know because he was always giving us money and he's everything. Everybody thought he was a tight line and he wanted them to think that way. Don't tell everybody that I'm in a night zone.

No, don't tell him. But he did. He very metso influenced our career and helped us along and to grow and be what we are now today. So would he promote you via the rock circuit? or like...

We were doing backup singing at the time. We were doing backup. And I remember going to Fillmore West singing with Elvin Bishop. Dave Mason, Taj Mahal. Taj Mahal. Jefferson Airplane. And we lived right across the street from... Fillmore West.

So we ended up going there all the time. We didn't have to pay. We didn't have to get in line. So we were always there. Bill Graham was our man. He loved us and he took care of us. Really? Yeah.

So was it just like mere seconds to learn a song or like just coming in that day for sound check. We were just going to make up our own backgrounds with them. Oh, yeah. We did a lot of background singing on record. Yeah. And we would go in and they would play the track and they'd say, now what would you put,

what background would you put on this song? Bobby Woolmack. So we would make up the background parts. Is that the situation for the Betty Davis sessions? Oh, Betty Davis, yeah. Yeah, we did with Betty. She was funny. Yeah, she was really.

Is she around still? She is actually. She finally just did a documentary of her life. Stepping in her. I'm ill shoes. Yeah, Betty was cool. Oh, wow. So was that just a regular day?

I mean, because she's so mysterious with her, you know, her life and everything that this documentary is finally our first glimpse into. Really, Betty? Was there anything notable about those sessions at all? I was just like, oh, we woke up one day who? Betty Davis? Okay. Yeah, well, I was looking at her clothes. I like to close with her.

She was really. I watch people's clothes. She got with them hot pants And I'm back for a wheat bubble Yeah And she wrote that song about Eye Miller shoes I had to find out where her

Her hair of these eye mull of shoes She's talking about You have to go back some huh? Get me some Yeah Yeah I remember All right

I'm gonna skip to 75 When you guys did The Steppin album Speaking of shoes With the sneaker on the front Yeah I think the very first song I ever learned to play on drums

Was Bet you got to check on the side Get out of you My mom cried one day that. By that point, I was big enough to actually fit on my dad's,

my father's, my father was a drummer. Oh my goodness. No, no, no. He was a, my father was an oldie's du-op singer, but his band, you know,

I used to always sneak on the drum set. Now let's interview you for a minute. Let's see what's going on. Just kidding. But I'll say that the Steppen album. Oh, especially with I H. Sleeping Alone and

What was the other Stevie's song? Yeah, Stephen. Sleepin' Sleepin' All. Maybe bring your sweet stuff on. They bring you sweet stuff on. What were those sessions like working with them? Oh, they were just heavenly. I

don't hardly remember I was in so in awe of Stevie. That's just singing, but you're gazing into space. And we wrote together. We went to the condos and we were living in Sausalito. And he came over to Sausalito to our condo and we rode. And then we went back to David's studio and we went to Wally Hyder's studio in San Francisco. And it was just magical.

You know, I was just happy to be working with him. I loved him with all my heart and then to be able to work with him too and write some songs. And I noticed we got credit on Baby Bring Your Sweet Stuff Home to me. and we wrote another one with him called Sleep It Alone, but we didn't get any credits on it. So, Stevie, if you're out there, sell me the money. I walk the writer's credit.

I wrote the whole end of that song, too. So I could sit the same thing on herself. You know, I wrote the whole end of that song. He can give me some credits. Come on, Steve. I mean, but this ain't happened now, I don't either. Oh, I love you. Yeah, don't wait on that.

I'm sure he's not handling me. the publishing, you know, himself. And those people that do, they're all about the money. They don't care about nothing else. Right. Unfortunately. So with the having a party

project, the approach was less about the 40, what made you guys decide stylistically to modernize the group and not the 40s thing anymore? Whose decision was that? Well, I guess a joint

decision of us and producer, but we have been doing these songs, you know, and getting gold albums. And, but it made, it made no difference, you know, they barely would hear them on the radio. The songs wouldn't be played. Just like now, huh? But once we got a gold single, everything changed. And I guess that's what we were headed for. We didn't get it with David with having a party, but we got some nice, fun stuff on that record and great musicians. It's weird because for hip hop, that's an album that a lot of hip hop produces gravitate towards. Really?

You know, there's... Hip hop producers hear things different. So it's like if there's a good four bars there, four bars there, you know, that sort of thing. So, yeah, a lot of notable hip-hop classics were, you know, the foundation of, you know, the foundation of, of a lot of the musical backdrop. That's an album I go to, you know, with like drum loops and whatnot. Well, that's good.

But for you, you didn't particularly enjoy that album or that project? That was the last project with David Rubinson. Yeah, the last one with David. We did at the train station in LA. Yeah, Union's Train Station. And it was just a crazy day. I remember us working so hard and sweating and...

I don't remember. remember it was hot it was oh god it was a fun day though I enjoyed the video I enjoyed it okay so how uh as far as like the four of you are concerned I mean because you know it's family members sometimes agreeable sometimes they bicker or whatnot but like how is it like is it truly always an agreeable atmosphere like how do you guys settle your differences and your together all the time and, you know, how. Respect. Yeah, and knowing each other.

As we grew together, you know, we just seem to know what buttons not to push, you know, and know when it would be quiet. Me being the shortest and one of the youngest, I believe me, I wasn't pushing no button. I put somebody else's button, but not this tall people. They're too tall. No, she got tougher because she was the smallest. She was the biggest mouth. always ready to get somebody.

And June was a baby, so she was always handled with kid gloves. She was always kind of fragile. She really was, you know, and we kind of took care of her as much as we could. So you eventually went to Motown in 70, 68, 76, 78, with, you released, what, heaven must have sent you? I think. I gotta say that all of your soul train appearances, were legendary. All right.

Because you and Don's flirt game. I wish we could see one. Oh, I'll hook you. I got you on that. Me and Don love. I said you and Don's flirt game was really, really. I'll say that I don't know what it was, but, you know, I always felt like there was a lot of inside jokes

whenever he would talk to you. Like he would flirt with you the most. What? Like, like, I'm not going to say anything. That's not, Bonnie,

it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good. I'm keeping my mouth shit. It's all good. It's all good. So, I would like to know

boss Bill and I for about maybe four or five years. We did a course as quasi-professors at NYU. And one of the main themes of our class was the idea of what the 80s represented as far as for black groups transitioning to what lay ahead or the idea of the idea of, the idea of, for some reason, the idea of crossovers seem like a four-letter word. But, you know, I always explained to our class,

there's a scene in film in Louise where the very last scene, I don't wanna spoil it, did you see the movie? I'm not seen the movie. They go over the cliff. You know, they go over the cliff. I'm a little bit over the cliff. We'll just say they go over the cliff. But for, you know, for a lot of black artists

that were notable in the 70s, the 80s represented a cliff jump. And either some group's idea was to, okay, well, the lead singer has to go, so I, you know, Lionel Richie leaves the Commodores and Michael Jackson eventually wriggles his way out of his family to go solo. And then some other groups kind of had to do or die situation,

which is like either roll with the punches or, you know, get left back into Nostalgiaville. And I'll say that, You guys probably out of all the acts that attempted that jump, fared the best, you know, Earth, Wind and Fire, trying to make that jump, cool in the gang, same situation. What, when you guys went to Planet Records, I don't know what label that was under, but I know that you guys work with Freddie Perrin. Richard Perry. Richard Perry. Richard Perry.

Richard Perry. What was the trust situation between him as a producer and the group as far as convincing you guys to like see things my way and I'm going to push you in a different direction? Well, we kind of went to him wanting a different direction. Really? And he liked our ideas. We took songs to him. And what were the songs?

Everybody is a Star. Yeah. It was one of the songs we took. And let's see, I can't remember. You did a, well, fire. Well, yeah, happiness was also. Yeah, Alan Tucson, yeah. But what was the question again?

No, I'm just saying that, oh, well, you revealed to me that you guys went to him. In my mind, I'm thinking, usually when we ask, people that come on our show usually it's a thing where it's like they approach you yeah the label told us we have to do that we have to do that and

always wanted to know because you're probably the first act that really has four stages you know at least a singing act a four stages of your life as far as I had the list of the songs on that first album because there were a few that we brought to him but he liked what we

our ideas and we wanted to get away from the nostalgia thing because we didn't want people to compare it to what we used to do. We wanted to do something totally different. And also more commercial. We ended up with fire getting our first gold single. And it made such a difference. We had gold albums and we'd never had a gold single before. But once we got that gold single, everything just shot up. Everything just went, hey, it went crazy, you know. I wish I'd written that song, Bruce. How did you guys

Did Bruce present that song to you guys Or like how were songs presented to you Richard Perry brought it to us And I heard it was originally recorded And written for Elvis Presley But Because when he brought it and played it for It was like, I'm riding in your car

Oh wait You turn on the radio And I said what I said this is for me And first I said maybe Ruthie should sing it He said no I want you to sing it Wow nice So I said it. There it is.

There was a hit. And we got our first gold single. Well, that was kind of another kind of a mold-breaking experience too, because there you ran into, like you did with the country music, Black girls don't sing rock and roll. Right. That was a crazy idea. I don't know where you got that from, but that's what I read.

Yeah, because with Richard Perry, that second album, Priority. We had such success with the first album. And then Priority, we put that out, and it's like, oh, rock and roll. It's so good. I love it. And they wouldn't play it. The radio said they refused to play it

because there's no such thing as black rock and roll. Can you imagine that? It's like a rock and a hard play. Who do they think started it? Really? Chuck Barry's, Little Richard. Please. The other ones who copied it from.

But then black radio couldn't play it either. It's like a rock and a hot. I guess so. I'm sure they just weren't allowed to play it Because, you know, they're owned by the white folks. It's getting hot up in there. I'm going to have to go to the bathroom. I'll come with you.

Ooh, my fan. Okay, yeah. Okay. Oh, I love it. Well, I love the fact that your label wasn't discouraged or... Yeah. You got another chance because... Because our producer loved rock and roll.

I mean, he was friends with Tina Turner and, you know, Rod Stewart and all of them, always be at his house and stuff. And he loved it. And he felt that from getting that first album through with all the, you know, the things that were on there. And he figured, well, they, plus, he was producer of the year. Okay. He was the producer of the year.

He got awards, accolades, all that. And so he figured, I can do this. You know, and they'll accept it for me. Right. And they did. He said, no, I'm a rock and roll guy too. And, you know, and they did. They didn't.

They wouldn't accept it. Dang. It's still hard for him, too, so. Yeah, yeah. Progress been slow. So for the special thing's album, I know that, did Barry and Cynthia write, he's so shy? I know Cynthia well wrote it.

Okay, I got to look. He's so shy was Tom. Tom Snow and Cynthia Wild. Yeah. Barry became right. songwriting partner. How was that song? Oh, it was so much fun.

Tom, we worked with him before on something else. I can't remember what song, but when he brought us, he's so shy. And we just loved the song. And it was easy to sing, and people loved it, and I think guys loved it. Because we could sing to them,

you know. And most guys are shy. You're right, Claries. I'm not. I love I love to say that. Right. For a second.

Uh-uh. And I love. So they get you on the lunches. Shaka. I love the performance that happened on the love boat with Isaac. Oh, me and Isaac. You went to school with him. I went to high school with Ted.

We were in, we were in plays all the time. He's from Oakland, too. Yeah. Tack. His mother had a radio show there. That's right. That's right. Remember he?

He was a militant. Yeah. I forgot about that. I forgot about that Ted Lance was Dr. Militant. Oh, my goodness. We had a great drama teacher, Mr. Wayne, and we still keep in touch with him. And Ted is still writing things, and I get in touch with them every now and then.

We're not in touch like we should be. But I love Ted, and we went to high school together, and we were in all the plays together in high school. I really thought I would get into acting more than singing because I really liked it. but once I start auditioning. I said, oh, no, this is not for me. Well, wait, speaking of movies, I forgot car wash. Oh, yeah, that's true. Car wash was so much fun.

Oh, God, that was so much fun. Working with Richard Pryor, I'm kidding, he had his lap and all the time. He was hilarious. We went to his house and hung out with him there after, you know, the show shooting and stuff. We went on the road. We did some shows on the road with him

at that place in, when was that in New Jersey, someone else at Red? Yeah, we opened for him. Yeah, at that place in, back east. Yeah, right. I can't remember.

And he would get out on the San Francisco. The point of sisters won't give me a note. I love the point of sister. I love him, but they won't give me in her. He was saying every show. He should get. What was it like working with Norman Whitfield for the,

you gotta believe. Oh. What was he like in the studio? He was wonderful. He loved us. He'd know we should have had the hit song, the Car Wars song. His group was Rose Royce. That was his group.

Yeah, it was his group, Rose Royce. And they did a fabulous job, and they were wonderful. But he'd know that should have been our songs. He wanted us to sound like the female temptations. We were, I was up at Ruthie's apartment. Gary Stromberg, I think it was, who was one of the producers, was at IEDA's house. Remember Ida? Yeah.

Aida. Aida's house. And we went down there and Gary Schaumburg was there and he said he's doing a movie. And we say, well, God, put us in the movie. You know, if you're doing a movie, put us in. We were hot at the time. We had hit songs and on TV and all that stuff. So he did.

He called us the next day and said, we got, we wrote you in. And it wasn't a big part, but it was a fabulous time. It was a wonderful part. Yeah. The Wilson sisters. Yeah. With Bill. Really rich.

Yeah. Yeah, you got to believe in something. Yeah, why not believe in me? I love that. Yeah, that was too much fun. How many days did it take the shoot? Was it just like a one-day shoot or? No, it was like a week?

Yeah. Yeah. A week? Yeah. It was fun. And the last day of shooting, we had our own little rap party. Okay. We were all so happy that it was over.

Oh, my God. And then we got a call the next morning saying we need close-ups. Oh, gosh. I don't know. I thought I was going to die. What? Close-ups today? I've just celebrated all night.

I know. But they got them. They got their close-ups, and they were all right. It's crazy. I ran into Rose Royce in Beijing. Wow. Really? She's performing over there.

I work out of here. Dickie. Yeah. Were you lecturing over there? No, no, my wife and I were just visiting Beijing. Of course you were friends. And of course, she wasn't very friendly. And then I found out the backstory and found out that they had been brought into the studio by Norman, I think, to say, sing it like the pointer sisters.

Oh. He was very. That's a old beat, though. That's a long time to hold on it. I know. She said that? Yeah. No, she didn't say anything.

Oh, you just found out. I found out, yeah. Why she was so unfriendly to us. Oh, okay. Because I introduced myself to her. They were very rude to Rose Royce while we were in the studio. They were. Oh, wow.

They were. Norman Whitfield was tough, and he wanted to show that he was tough. You know, sing it again and sing it better. You can sing it better than that. Oh, wow. You know, push it up there. Come on now. He was really just hard on them.

I couldn't understand it because I'd never had a producer talk to me that way. And he didn't. Wow. Wow. Wow. Right. No, he didn't talk to us that way at all. Not at all.

Not at all. But he talked to him. Right. We made sure we got it right So we don't have to tell me twice Baby We don't have to come down on us So we made sure we got it right

Yeah it was a great honor To work with him He's such a legend and the world Another one that the world will miss Bonnie studied under Cecil Brown Who did a biography of Richard Pryor At Merritt College in Oakland Oh really? Yes, I did

He did a biography of Richard Pryor Cecil Brown He wrote some wonderful books Stagallie and You're talking about Joe Dance Or you mean a book? A book? Okay, okay.

Yeah, but he wrote a biography. What did you study, Bonnie? Oakland, Mills College, Mirate College. What did you study here? Art. Visual art. Yes. You got to paint her.

We got to go, we got to get the charcoal pen and he. You got to get her an easel. And I've got a scholarship from high school to go to Berklee College of Warts and Crafts. You're about to call it. What was it like doing the, well, how did y'all get the call, I guess? for the pinball theme. Oh, Sesame Street.

Oh, Sesame Street. Oh, yes, I love that. Called us. I don't know how we got. They called and asked us to do it. And we went over to San Francisco. Yeah. And we took our kids. I had Jada was there and Fawn and Malick.

I thought Shigana and Nandi were there too. I don't know. I think so. Princess kids, my kids, Ruth's very cool. When you're working in the studio with Herbie? Was he there at the time? What, the pinball machine? That was heavy handcuffed.

No, the pinball. machine is the Sesame Street. But music-wise, we were told that Herbie Hancock did the music. Really? Well, we weren't there. I don't even know he did it. We did. We didn't sing. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. Okay. Right.

Right. Right. We always told all different times. Yeah. And then the ABCs. And then we did the ABCs. Cool, crazy swinging alphabets. Oh, okay.

Well, it's interesting, too, to tell when they talk about how the technology has developed and how when they were singing earlier on, they didn't have this looping feature. Yeah, no pro tools. Yeah, we would sing so. We had to do it 12 times. We had to do it. A hundred times. We would be in the studio until our heads felt like that. That's it. Over and over and over and over and over. One of our, um, usually it's six of us and one of our, uh, members, uh, unpaid bill is unpaid bill. That's his name. Wait.

Oh, don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. He is very paid. He's very great. He's now the Joe Raposo of Sesame Street. He like does all the music. Oh, wow.

Beautiful. He was going through all the old tapes and realized that you guys had to do 12 individual versions of that song. Wow. I didn't even know that. Oh, my goodness. I don't remember. You have to go to 12.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You go about 1112. Right. Okay, I get it. It's an awkward number. I'm glad it wasn't. Yeah, it could have been 20.

That's more like it. They'll be at the studio. Yeah. What time is it? We have to be there now. To finish 13, 14, 15, 15, 50. Hey, I have a question, because I know that you always wanted to know. You wrote on the special things album.

Could I be dreaming? Yeah. Can I ask you something? How much of influence did the Jackson shake your body down to the ground? around and have on that song. You know what? I didn't think a minute or a second. Did anybody ever come to you with that? But the thing is, the track was done by Trevor Lawrence, my friend. He brought me the track. I wrote the lyrics. I never even entered my mind anything about Michael Jackson or the Jackson's and when a friend I played it for a friend and she told me that I wanted to pop her in the head.

What? What? Her track is just like Michael Jackson's. What are you talking about? I was so hard. I'm like, this is one of the best songs I ever wrote. I love this song. It was great. But the thing was, when radio played it, when radio first started playing it, I was like, yo, Jackson. Isn't that something?

Wait a minute. Wow. That was really cold, you know. Sorry. Really? Thanks for bringing that up. You've not thought we want to say that, you know. So what if it sounded like his song.

There's songs that sound like out there all the time. I know. And they wouldn't play mine. Here's the thing. Here's the thing, though. Because you're Anita Pointer and you're black. Stop funny. Here's the thing.

And you're not a Jackson. Well, we just had Randy Jackson on the show. And for him, he admitted that, shake your body down to the ground was basically his version of Teddy Pendergrass's. Get Up, Get Up, Get Down, Get Fun, Get Fun. Oh. Believe me, you know what, we take some songs all the time, but I swear to God, if when I was doing that song, I had no inkling. There was no inkling, no thought about the Jackson song at all.

We've had songs that we've taken from John Lee Hooker. Right. You know, the beats the rhythm that we've done and we, you know, did some things from his, we did that on, it was Betcha got a chick on the side. Really? I'm proud to say that. But believe me, I'm proud to say whoever. Because that's what music is all about, going round and round and coming back and in. And so I would never not admit that I took the Jackson song for Could I Be Dreaming?

Because I never thought about the Jackson song. Not one time. I love that song. And I love my lyrics and I wanted to be heard and they won't even play the damn song because they think I stole it. Or rap somebody. Yes. It's really saying how things like that happen.

Like when I was writing the song, Man with the Right Rhythm, Janet came out with Rhythm Nation. Oh. And even when I did, could I be dreaming? Germain or one of the brothers came out with, tell me, I'm not dreaming. Right. You know, I'm like to come on. They're listening to you.

Keep your mouth shut. So anyway, slow hand. Oh, slow hand. Oh, I didn't write that one. I wish I had. Oh, my God. You guys wrote slow hand. John Bettis and Michael Clark.

John Bettis. Who wrote up? Michael Clark. Didn't he write human nature? Human nature, yeah. Yeah. Did he? Slow hand.

Okay, well, he's a great song writer. Yeah, that became like the women's national anthem. You know, I call it the American female anthem because it certainly speaks to today's to today's hashtag Me Too. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. You know, we need some man with a slow hand.

So we can see it coming if he'll hit. Right. I don't hit you. No violence. No violence. Wait. Do not to raise your head. What am I saying?

That's a slow hand reminds me of just being a kid. And like hearing that on the radio and it had kind of like a country. Country feel to it. It is a country song. It is a country song. I used to love. They're Nashville writers, John Bettis and Michael Clark. Oh, okay.

Yeah, them. I just remember hearing that song in like Crystal Gale and like all those. That was that era. Former men drove. Like all those white women with long hair. But that song made it easy to defer to you to digest and accept other songs like the Kenny Rogers, the Dolly Partons and whatnot. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. I loved it. I thought it was a great song. I was glad to sing it. Mm-hmm. I sang a million. You know what? Not many people know that a lot of people believe that I'm so excited

debuted on Breakout, not knowing that two years beforehand. It was on I'm so excited album. It was on an album? Yeah, I'm so excited. What was the reasoning behind re-releasing it for Breakout? I begged Richard Perry because I said this song is a hit. It's too much of a hit that it didn't. So when it first came out?

You let this song go to waste. And it's a great song. And they just made me sick not listening to us. And they put it on the first album and then put out American music as the single. You know, being all patriotic. We're all hating. Yeah. I'm telling you.

And then I said, David, come on. You know, we rode with all our hearts. And this is a great song. And you can't let it go. We want this on the next album. And he did it. I didn't know if that had ever been done before. But I said, you got to do this.

You got to save this song. and get it back out there. That was Richard. Because they wouldn't even play it. It was on the breakout album. It was on the, oh, so excited album. The album was titled. So excited.

And they still wouldn't play it. That's ridiculous. You know? And then it would put it on the next album because it's an instant hit. So you're telling me that because, again, I mean, I was listening to Black Radio

exclusively, like, when I was a kid. But it wasn't like I was checking the charts or the billboard. None of that stuff. But I heard it a lot, but you're saying that from your perspective in 82 when it first came out on So Excited album, it wasn't a hit, it wasn't a hit hit like across the board in your eyes or numbers wise. It just wasn't. Right, right. Not until it got on the breakout album. So in your mind, unless it's a pop hit, officially like covering all bases of the black charts and pop radio.

then it's like, okay, it's satisfactory or... Well, when you get the numbers, the ratings from people buying the album. Okay. You know, that's the main way to judge it, I guess, and then the request for playing your songs. I don't know, it's a whole different market now, though, with Instagram and streaming music and people don't buy it, they just stream it and download it.

And that counts for it. They download it. But they pay for that, right? Sort of. Well, that's allegedly. That's one of the things that David mentioned, too, is that it was alternative radio

that really promoted the Pointer Sisters early because Black radio wasn't playing them. They wouldn't play them. And they still have problems playing the Pointer Sisters for whatever reaches, I don't know. They sure do. We can't get our music played on nowhere. They can't get hardly any of that.

I don't hear nothing. I listen to them. I don't ever hear. I never hear on a radio. They was definitely playing. I'm so excited on WDAS and Phil. Yeah. Those two at least, I'm so excited in all the time.

I would have jumped for my love too. Yeah, that was like... Excited, Neutron Dance. Well, yeah, I mean, breakout was just short of thriller. That had seven singles on it. So were you shocked at the... At the mass acceptance of breakout the album and how... Shocked and thrilled, happy, just elated.

Yeah, it was wonderful to have an album go triple platinum. So we had Ali Willis on our show. We love Allie. She's the reason we have Anita Pointer on our show. Yeah, she calls me. Thank you, All right. Thank you, All right. Thank you, All right.

Thank you, All right. Thank you, Y. Yeah. Shut up. Thank you. Okay. So we heard, or she explained to this, that that song almost didn't make Beverly Hills cop.

Like the way that it was discovered by the producers was kind of by accident. Yeah, neutron dance. Yeah, were you guys at all aware of how it was at last minute like by accident? Somewhat, I don't remember the whole story, but I remember there been some conflict with the lyric and thinking of neutron bombs and it, you know,

being a song about war. Yeah, yeah. And some people were... Like you're celebrating the neutron. Yeah, neutron. I'm so happy doing the neutrons. That's what I'm doing the neutron dance. What?

Happy doing a neutron dance? Yeah. She said that, though, didn't she? Yes, she did. I think there's some deep irony in there, though. She's being very sarcastic, deeply sardonic. I mean, it's not just, you know, she's really saying, you know, do you really, just the way you want the world to go?

Can you really, you know, deal with nuclear weapons? I don't want to take it anymore. Exactly. I don't, I'll just stay here locked behind the dough. Right, so it has a... Not no time to stop and get away. Which is weird because now I can't separate it from a truck chase and the truck gazed. You're paying it out of the back of that truck.

Ali also said somebody actually stole, tried to steal her brand new Chevrolet, right? That's right. That's in the lyric. Yeah, right. And the renters do I have no place to stay. Yeah, that was good though. Can we go back to a... the so excited album for a second.

I built with you. Huh? Yeah, go ahead. You guys covered one of my favorite songs in that record. Prince's I feel for you. Where did that idea come from for you guys to cover that? From Richard Perry. He brought it to us and we love Prince. Prince had come into the studio too to watch us record one time and and so

he invited us to come to Paisley Park and do it there and that's what we did. What was that like at Paisley Park? He had all his factory upstairs where they made all his clothes. Clothes, shoes, everything to match. And he had like a cave area where he had the purple rain motorcycle. And it was a whole big room there with pillows on the floor. I'm just trying to envision it because I haven't been back. It's so long with pillows on the floor and, you know, silk on the walls.

And the eyes watching you from the painting? That's the only thing I was like, there's too many murals of his face with the eyes watching. Wasn't I remember that. It's like the three stooges like meet the mummy, like you walk one way and you get the eyes are watching. Scooby-Doo. Yeah, right. I know that. You went after they did the big remodel for the kids.

Oh, really? No, I went before and after. Oh, but I thought the eyes weren't up there until after they remodeled. Well, in 2000, was that? Yeah, that was after. Yeah, that was after. 96 is when they remodeled. Oh, okay.

Ah, yeah, we were there before that. Yeah, well, eyes were. watching. Eyes of watching. Eyes, we're definitely watching. Yeah, yeah. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. With breakout. you know, it's just unprecedented that six albums, six singles from one album. Oh, yeah. I'm a shorter thriller.

That's, it was just unprecedented than like, what was it, what was the labels reaction to you guys as far as like? Were you there priority? Were you there? They were happy. Yeah, that sounds happy. They made a lot of money. Well, y'all, by that time, I mean, having such a huge record, where was the biggest source of your income coming from? Was it touring or was it a record?

And did the tour money go up? Like, did that help? Did the tour money go up? Yeah. We got good touring. And as the years go up, the publishing gets better. Yeah. I've seen you guys twice doing that period.

It was like the only non-Jackson's Prince show that I've ever seen. Oh, hey. Saw you guys once at a Universal Amphitheater. Oh, yeah. Was that with Lionel Vichy? No, the year after. You guys were at Universal Amphitheater by yourselves in 85. All I remember was June came out in a crazy outfit to do her solo song about

the piano or something. Oh, yeah. She's like, give me her fucking break guys. Like it was, she had great comic timing. She was so funny. Oh, my God. And she did that doctor,

doctor bit on stage. I don't know if that was the one you saw where she dressed like a nurse and jumping on the piano. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So good. Hey, are you guys aware of

Dermy's second life in the sort of the Euro-EDM world? No, tell me about him. Dermy, uh, baby, make a meo. Yeah, like it's... Come on, dammy. Yeah, it's sort of, uh... How can I describe it?

Like, forget, I don't know if it's Skrillix or... Like, someone that's big in the EDM world, the electric... Dance music. Dance music world, sort of like... Kind of took Derrimi and sort of remade it. And it's weird, because when I spend the original in clubs now, Like the audience sort of like,

and then when I get to the hook, they're like, oh shit, that's our song. You know, like they get where it comes from. Like it's a, it's a big sample in the EDM world. Oh, I didn't know that. So I don't know of like- Or is it- Oh, good.

So is that still in the current lineup as far as your songs like that you do now? Or is it, do you do, Derby? Well, I don't, I'm not on the road anymore. Oh, I didn't know that. Not till this morning. Ruth, my sister Ruth and her daughter, Issa, and her granddaughter, Sadako, are traveling as the new, the new Pointer Sisters. You're still a Pointer Sister.

Okay. And I retired in 2015. I'm enjoying it. Start working on this book. Start working on the book. And your exhibition. But I'm solo. I have another book that's like that.

With Evelyn Champaign King and people like that. Oh, man. That's what I'm doing. How was Evelyn doing? She's doing great. She's good. Yeah. I do with, you know, Frangelo, Chauvelin,

and a lot of the old rock and roll stars, and disco, shall I say, disco stars. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I also, I'll say that I also believe that you guys deserve to be in the rock and roll hall of fame. I do, too. And, you know, from my mouth to their ears. Right, right. Right, right.

That should happen. So the book comes out in February. Comes out in February. Yeah, we're just so excited about that. We're going to have a book signing up in Oakland. And Anita's working on another book of exhibition. She's been saving their costumes for the last, what, 30 years? And she's got all of them.

She's all of them. And she's now created a book. She's already up to 90. The person told me over 100 pages now of costumes. This is a mini book. We have a big book. That just gives you. a few of the things that we have.

But, um, how are you, whoa, you do. Okay, this is official. Uh, how, uh, to our listeners out there, I'm looking at, uh, a miniature book, the size of a CD, uh, booklet of all there. How were you able to preserve and? In her garage. In her garage.

In her garage. I still wear those clothes. Oh, but they're, they're, they're well cared for. I mean, who made your costumes? They're in their designers. They're in their book. Bob Mackey.

Ola Hudson was our first designer. And then Bob Mackey. All the greatest designers. William I. Long. Fulora Tharmeier from Australia. Like with the designers seeking you guys out? William I be Long designs for all the New York plays and things.

And he's really great. And we are going to, it's going to be digital. So you can go on, we'll send it out to the museum's digital. We went and looked at some and they can get the password to enter the book online so we can let them see what we have. And decide what things.

The Smithsonian? Yes, anywhere they'll take on it is good. Actually, yeah, we have a are you guys aware of the, well, I keep called the Blacksonian. That's what I call it. It is the Black Sonia. Yeah. In D.C. Yes. You went there.

Rich one. I went there. And we're in there. And there there. Yeah. Okay. Well, we want to put some more in there. Do you know someone there that we can get us some stuff? We have a hookup for you. You do.

She's probably listening. Talking to me, Daddy. Yay. Wonderful. Give me the hookup. Timothy M. You hear it. Give me the hookup.

You will be sending the pointers to you. Oh, wonderful. I know, right? I know what blanked in there. I know what the blank was. How many children is it? Did you guys have like? In the brood?

For the next generation of the bonus. Well, Fritz has four. I'm Baron. Oh, wow. Same. I have one. My daughter, it's hard to say. My daughter died in 2003.

Oh, man. And that kind of killed me. That's why I slowly just had to stop. I had to stop going on the road and singing. Her only child. Yeah, her only child. So. It's not good.

Nope. I, uh, a, a, a, ah, ah, ah, I know. Get her body. It's very hard. I don't wish it on anyone. It's the worst thing ever. I'll never get over it. It's just terrible.

Now, let's go and move on to happier thoughts. Ruthie has five kids. Ruthie has five kids. And our older brother Aaron has four, three. Four. Four, three or four? Barbara Carroll.

And you have four? Yeah, I have four. And two sons. Yeah, he's four. You have four? Aaron has four. Just be off the chain. You know, we've never had a family reunion.

Really? Never. No. No. We have enough. No, we have. We were going to. I mean, we were, we were kids in Oakland and our uncle would come over and barbecue and all the family would be there.

That'd be like our family with reunion. That was all the time. But we lived together. Just have the green T-shirts. They live downstairs. We lived upstairs. We live up there. We're always a family to you.

Exactly. Exactly. But y'all know that family has expanded and folks don't know each other. We're at that point in our family now. It's like, okay, let's travel to see family. Let's make up the East Coast come with the West Coast. I don't even know half of the people in our country. There are some.

I see people on TV on these on shows that say what you name, on the credits. And they go something pointer. And I go, what? That's your family. I'm like, what? Who are they? Right?

Are the majority of, is the majority of the family in Oakland still? Or are you guys spread out now? Oh, we're spread out now. I'm in Marin. I'm in Marin County. He's closest to Oakland. Yeah. My brother's up in Tacoma.

My brother is in Tacoma. He's been there for 25, 30 years. Are any of the kids, do they want to do music as well? Or are they working on music? Yeah. I have a son who started building a studio and he's into music. My son is. Yeah, but that's the only one that we know up right now.

There are different aspects of the music. My granddaughter, Roxy does music. Yes, your granddaughter? Yes, that's my granddaughter and she does music. That's right. I just met Roxanne. She's got hundreds of incredible. tracks and I'm telling her, duh, what am I, chopped liver?

Can I sing on your home of your stuff? Exactly. And what the Foxy? No. She better. And what does Roxie say? She says she's working on this, the right thing she wants me to do. All right.

Make a jam for your grandma. Rock's right. And she's on me, I just go bust it in the room and join in on whatever. They've been working on some great stuff. Alvin is a rapper and he is bad. I love his rapping. Don't you love it? I love it.

songs they've been doing, they've been doing some great stuff. I'm proud of them. There's one. Proud of y'all. Roxy and Alvin. There's one factoid I forgot. And Carlos. What was it like being a part of USA for Africa?

Oh, we are the world night. Oh, God. What a night. We had just come from the, I think, the AMA Awards and went to the studio. And I was in awe of everybody. Was the invite top secret? Like, when did you find them? I'm worried with all these famous people and this little old meat.

What did you find out about it? And was it top secret? We found out like the day before because they sent us sheet music and a cassette. And you still have that sheet. You know, I know. Wow, that's dope. Oh, we had Quincy's house and he has the lead sheet framed on it in the middle of it. Yeah.

I got a lead sheet with everybody's autograph. I went around that night and made everybody sign my music. Oh, wow. And I got ticket home and framed it. Sure, too. Were you kind of intimidated by anybody that was in the room? or were you guys like, Yeah, everybody.

You kidding? Everybody was like, you, oh my God. Oh my God, then you're trying to be cool. You know, like, oh, hello. Who are you most excited to see that? And you want to die?

Quincy Jones, Lionel Richie. Yes. Oh, my God, it was wonderful. Yeah, right? Right. Yes. Bet Midler. What else was there?

Liz Taylor? She did. No, not Liz. Well, she was she. was there, I think. Sheila, that's Oakland too, right? Yeah. That's Oakland. And Latoya Jackson was like right beside me.

Tina Turner. Was her mic on? Tina Turner. Tina Turner. It was a wonderful, wonderful night. I mean, we got out of there. The sun was coming up. We were there all night.

Did you all ever have any experiences with Aretha while she was alive? No, we didn't. Well, Ruth had some competition with Aretha for Dennis Edwards. Oh. He didn't look no further. In fact, in fact, her daughter by Dennis Edwards. The one who's singing with her. Oh, okay.

Her daughter who's singing with her is a product of Ruth and Dennis Edwards. And she and Marito were dating Dennis like around the same time. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Wow. I'm so frozen. I didn't even do my sound effect, baby. I'm doing my sound effect right now.

Too much information, baby. Well, you know, I have to say that enough, can I, this is a pleasant, pleasant surprise. Again, Bonnie's such a fan in my reviewers for the longest, so I'm glad to finally have met you. I never thought. Thank you so much. I would meet you ever. Thank you. The same for you.

Thank you, darling. And again, yes, rock and roll hall of fame. That got to be next year. It has to. We got a star on the Hollywood in walking fame. I don't need that.

You need a rock. And I'm in the Arkansas Black Hall of Fame. That's beautiful. Hey, that's good too. Take all the I am. I got a joke.

I have a joke. It's going to be and everything. It all matters. I just want to say. That guys matter. Yes, it does. I just want to say to echo something Fonte said earlier today, you guys were in my childhood. And every time I listened to your music, I'm just taking back to such a wonderful place and time in my life.

Oh, that's so wonderful. Just to be sitting across with you guys, like, I'm beside myself. This is so fun. We're kind of kicking out here. We're more cool than this. We see, we taught you well. So are we. We talked you well.

I see that t-shirt you have on. You got a lot of good information from the morning. One question I just have before we break. Mavis Staples, was she an influence? Oh, love her. Oh, Lord. Yeah, we were listening to a song. We did respect yourself.

Oh, yes. Oh, in Vegas. And Fritz brought up a CD and we played it last night with us singing in Vegas at Caesar's Palace. Yeah, with the answer. Singing respect yourself. Wait, mavis. Can you guys do that with Bruce Willis?

June. Yeah. June did it with Bruce. We were on the road. Yeah. And Fritz was very good friends with Mavis Staples. And we had some fun, fun times together. Better friends with Cleo.

Yeah. Oh, Cleo. Yeah. And I was also good friends with Purvis. He was a good friend of mine. Okay. Purvis, you were on the nightclubs in Chicago. Yeah, he would go to those nightclubs and you go in there.

Oh, my God. This is for you. They have a gun sitting right there on the desk. I'd be like, is this where we have sound check? Oh, wow. You have the guns. He did, they leave the gun on the desk. I just got one of the silhouets from that's a plenty.

No, you know what that is. That's a tattoo. I will wear it. Look on the back. It's a tattoo. It's a logo like that. You got to be like a SoundCloud rapper. Put it on your face.

I don't know. I don't wear it. Yes. Body body. That's a penny. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you for coming on the show today.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for bringing so much joy. I love you. I love you too. I love you too.

I love you too. I'm going to have the entire team Supreme and the Pornet sisters and brother Fritz. No right. And brother Fritz, you know, you were like every English professor I had inside. Oh, you were, when you said, what was the word you said? It was, what was the words you used? She had some sort of, sardotic.

Oh, my God. That is such. But Fante, don't forget. I was an English as well. I was an English as well as African American studies. Oh, yeah. Because the dashiki could not be. You got a peep.

He got the dashiki. He got on the grilling sandals. Yes. Yes. You got on the grilling sandals. Yes. Fritz is like he get busy on a grill. You can leave it.

He got to leave it. It's real. I knew what Fris was about. I was about. I was like that. Okay. You can just see that. Yeah, we got a real one in the bill.

That's right. So show me a little necklace, Fritz. Thank you. Oh, yeah. That matches his tattoo. Okay. Don't show his tattoo is pointer sister necklace. You got one?

Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. We got to get some more made. That's my head. You guys got to get a hat sometimes. Oh, okay. I like your brass bangal too, fist.

Oh, that's from the Taurig people in West Africa. No, it is. Not that one is. I mean, I ain't know. But I had a P. How do you like my bangle? What does it say?

I could just see them glasses. It says fall risk. Because I fall on that. Oh, shit. Fall risk. Wow. I'm one out of y'all. This is Quest Love.

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