The Questlove Show - Chuck D

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

In one of the most requested and long-awaited conversations in this show’s history, Chuck D finally joins Questlove in the studio. What unfolds is an intimate conversation about the art, science, and spirit behind Public Enemy—especially during the group’s formative years.Chuck traces the spark from hearing James Brown's "Blow Your Head" at roller rinks to the Frankenstein tape loops that gave birth to "Public Enemy No. 1," "Rebel Without a Pause," and "Bring the Noise." He recalls writing classic verses on the move, reflects on his early jobs, and breaks down the record-collecting discipline that fueled the Bomb Squad's dense sonic collages. Along the way, Chuck opens up about aging as an MC, meeting James Brown, and Flavor Flav's evolution. This is Hip-Hop history, music nerdery, and deeply human storytelling from one of Rap's most important and enduring voices. Chuck D and past QLS guest John Densmore of The Doors have teamed up for a new collaborative album, do+pe.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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normally I'll take five minutes out and do the life achievement accolades. Look at his face. He's not having it. However, I am going to do him a solid and say. First of all, this man needs no introduction whatsoever. But that said, let me remind you that he does have a project with the legendary drummer and Questlove Supreme guest John Densmore of the Doors. It's called Dope.

and their album, no country for old men is out now. And besides making music, our guest has his hands in mini a project. His Rap Central Station Magazine to bring the noise app. We'll get into that. Chuck D, I thank you. This is one of the highlights of me doing this platform. I literally created this platform. So I could have a normal way to ask you all the questions I ever wanted to ask you

as just two artists talking. So thank you for coming to the show. What are my heroes. Don't get me that. Don't deflect. Stop it. I remember, you know, when you first started it, you know, you was the laptop man on the run.

In between the tonight show, rehearsals and show. I'm still in that person. Yeah, I know you're still that person. All right. And, you know, this also deserves to be, you know, Jimmy Jam holds the record for a seven-hour interview. No, we're not doing that.

Right, exactly. So I have to. We'd rather just pick up maybe. Yes. I'm being selfish for this episode and asking the questions that I want to know. If you guys knew inside baseball, then go ahead. You know, I give great respect to the FOI for the Islam and the F-O-H. The fuck out of here.

Those are the two, you know, organizations I uphold very dearly in my heart. Okay. Let me start with my first question. And this is going to be rapid fire all over the place questions. Okay, of all the James Brown backdrops to make a jam to, what was it about blow your head that sparked a light bulb idea reaction? Because that song was not familiar in terms of the James Brown canon. This is how we meet public enemy through public enemy number one.

What was it about a noisy, buzzy synthesizer? Roller skating. at Roosevelt Roller Rink where we had basically DJs come out they played records for roller skaters because skating was a thing

in the 70s and I was a badass skater right? You were a skater like a motherfucker right? Did you ever live in Atlanta? Yeah, of course.

Did you participate in any roller skating on Sundays? Every once in a while but before that Atlanta had that scene I was, you know a roller rink was up the block.

I didn't go there for that. Roosevelt Roller Rink is where it all came together people came out to Roosevelt. It's where the concerts came. That's where the DJs were able to do their thing. But in the roller skating, of course, you know, to work on your skills, you go on a Tuesday, matinee, Wednesday, Thursday.

You're that level of roller skating. That's where you bust your ass because nobody was there. You know what I'm saying? You got, you know, like six-year-old kids and a matinee or whatever. Right. But the night, we really jumps off Friday night, Saturday night, like Thursday night even, you know. And let's say, you know, they say,

couples. I'm going to say they're playing like reunited by peaches and her or always in forever. Right. And to ask a girl to skate with you, you better have some skills because she ain't trying to fall with a non-skating

dude, right? So not only do you have to crack the ice by asking them to skate with you, right? That's the number one cracked ice. Number two, you got to skate well. And if she don't know how to skate, you got to make sure that she don't fall. That's the type of skater I was.

However, after the slow jam, they would say all skaters. And those that did not get apart into the skate or said basically, after slow jams, it was time to get buck. And that was one of the songs that I say big up to DJ Kassim, he might have had the 12-inch blow your head. All skaters, wham, wang, wang, wang. So that was the calling, the sign of the. Like, you're all right, all right, home girl.

You got 10 minutes, 10 seconds again. And now you got like the 14, 15, 18. You got the cats that really get rowdy on the wheels, right? Right, right. So they all kind of whan, wan, wan. And by the time it hits that wha-and-and-and-and-that beat drops, chaos. Chaos.

Chaos. And cats used to do this in Roosevelt Roller Ring. Like, dudes used to like hold each other's shoulder, but come around and just throw them bowls type of. I've been knocked over by many, uh, skating tree. But the thing about it, right? DJs wasn't quick enough. Yeah, I was going to say, how do you catch the break?

They never did. And in my mind, it was like, you know, and by that time, they moving on to like maybe knee deep later on or, or, because they could not sustain the break. But what do you think was going on in my head? I got to make it join the loop. If only they could extend this break. You know what I'm saying?

Got it. I know, right? So that's a weird but very practical way that this whole thing started. Because I was like, okay, there's no DJ to extend this break. Nobody's fast enough or skilled enough. Even Flash ain't. It's very short. As a matter of fact, when we made the loop for the demo Public Enemy number one,

I was doing it as a drop for WBAU. And I did, you know, off a two tape decks. So they were kind of paused tape. So you paused taped? I paused taped. Okay. So, you know, like the thing about it, and I'm glitchy on my timing.

However, the vocals fixed all the holes in it. So that's where the well, you sort of trying to... Yeah, it had no timing in it. And then, of course, you know, you get into the first verse, which ends on whatever bar that it decided to end. One, want, one, ho-ha, and all that. That actually was just, you know, just a combination of a bunch of different sounds and samples.

Did you guys loop the tape when you made it? Now, that was a difficult thing. Tell me about the art of looping that way. The art of looping actually came from what, I think, Yalk. I was going to say Yalk did this week. Yolk did it. Right. And then showed Steve Et.

So when we went in the studio to, like, we. We were like, number one, we could not put it together by sampling it, especially with the equipment at the time. And even when we did, it was like, this shit sounds like saccharine, man. It's fake, it's Fagasy, it ain't happening, right? It's got to kind of, kind of constructed in the same Frankenstein manner, but maybe keep a little bit more time. And Flavor was also instrumental on pressing a car like he did later on with Rebel

Al-a-Paw's flavor's time. which was good timing but bad at the same time. So wait, he would play the drums on top of that? That's him. Him and Sadler. So is that why the bongoes sound a little off a little bit? Because when Q-tips sampled it on footprints, now this is weird.

I will say that, you know, I give a lot of credit to J. Dilla for the sort of messed up sloppy thing. But in my mind, the very first time I'm hearing quite off bongos is the public enemy number one thing. Because I'm one of the most offbeat, sloppiest motherfuckers ever. Hank could tell you, man, he'd come in my car,

and I have a busted speaker in the car, and he's like, you're not going to fix that? And I'm like, no. I want it loud. It matter of fucking who is eating like a woman. So the timing might be off. The sound might be muffled, but what's going to come out of there

is something that you can feel, as opposed to hear, as opposed to like it when these times of sing. So that was the whole premise of blow your head of like deliver what you feel. I had nothing to lose because I'm making a radio promo. And matter of fact, when I actually had it as a demo, this is like December of 84, Jay, Jamester Jay was up at the BAU studios

because he was just bringing up seriously fine and he was turning them into a group for Arista. And so Jay was up there with Dre, Andre Brown, our Dr. Dre, we say. I handed it over Jay's lap to Dre, and Dre played it. And from that point on, it took on a life of his own. The demo. So to make the demo over again in the public, it was number one, it was three years later.

Three years we had to say, and then, you know, how do you construct this Frankenstein back into Frankenstein for records? And it wasn't easy. So Steveette took the two-inch studa. Okay. And looped it around a microphone stand around the room. so it was a real loop of tape going around. And then we filled in the blanks and cut out parts

and emulated without the emulator. Got it. You know. Question number two. Where is your 98? Oh, man, it was bought for a little bit, and it got banged up. And then I tried to get a Delta 88.

My brother hijacked my cars, and it always ended bad. So right now it's in a junk shop, it's not nowhere preserved in history? Long, long gone. That in the Bronco, before 1990. they were both out of here. Bronco broke down on the Williamsburg Bridge.

Go to death town. Yeah, broke down. In 98 degrees. And that Williamsburg? That Williamsburg. The same Bronco. Not the Williamsburg. I go to date night on.

Oh, no, no, no. Williamsburg Bridge, 1990 or something like that. And that same Bronco, I wrote Terodrome in. You wrote the lyrics inside that car? Yeah, driving and hangout in Reading, PA. You just had a dictaphone or some sort of cassette? Like, no, I spent years doing maybe what got Harry Chapin in trouble. It's like I was a messenger.

I drove and I kept writing lyrics. I write lyrics like without looking at the, at the, I would write lyrics in the past. That's how I wrote by most of the show. I wrote lyrics with my right hand, but I never looked at the seat. I always kept my eyes on the road and I had tape decks. And so where I write, I go like this. Now, half of the problem is it's later on deciphering it. But, you know, I wrote Terodome in the dark driving the Reddington, Pennsylvania,

listen to Chuck Chilis Show. And I'm writing like this. So, you know, like later on, I'm looking at, okay. You're proving my theory, though. Okay, so I believe that driving is equal to sleep. No, no, no, no, no, no. Driving and sleep are the same to me. So you drive a lot.

Yes, especially in California. So I know people bitch about California traffic or whatever, but I love driving in Cali. So the reason why I do it is, okay, so during the pandemic when I'm really, quote unquote, doing the work, therapy, all that stuff, I go deep into kind of my neurology bag as far as studying how the brain works. Of course. And I discovered that, you know, the five parts of the brain, alpha, beta, theta, delta, gamma, that... Any of those parts scare you? None.

Oh, dude. I'm so in my metaphysical bag now. Okay, there you go. So the deal is that I learned that the way that we retain information, like I used to be one of those people that would, like, studying, say, like, what my phone number was, 215, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. and you don't retain information by repetition. You retain information when you're not paying attention.

Okay, all right. I kind of get that. So I would test it out. Because I'm terrible at lyrics all my life. I'm going to help me? You're on this. You're already on the path. You think so?

Because, I mean, there's nobody ever, like your partner, a black thought. There's nobody like this dude, ever, ever. I don't understand him. I'm going to tell you the secret. The secret is basically, all right, when I would give speeches, try to like study in the mirror and do it. I don't do that no more.

I literally play it on loop while I'm asleep and that's how you retain the information. The other way is when I want to read a book, I will drive for four hours around New York City just loop Manhattan listening to a book because the thing is I'm hyper aware because your life is online. You've got to watch traffic and everything.

Keep your eyes on the road looking out the front window. Right. So your mind is in a thing. Theta state. Your theta state is how you retain information. And when I want to study something, I will play what it is and listen to it. It's literally the same as sleeping. Yeah, well, you know what, man, you're extraordinary in here. Here's, I don't care how many times you can explain playing the drums. I still don't know how to fuck you do that. How? You don't think about it. Yeah, yeah, okay. You don't think about it. So if I got on there and I could put in 10,000 hours,

it's no way in hell. I'm going to be a fucking good drummer, dude. Either you got it or you don't. I believe in that. You need a talent. Yes, you need a talent. For example, my talent is I could sit in this room and 50 years later, right, blind or whatever, I could draw exactly what I saw to the smallest increment spec. But I can't remember a word or a sentence that I made a long time ago or recent. I have always been terrible on lyrics or memorized. Listen, if I could memorize lyrics, lyrics. I've never had writers' block. Right. I'd be the baddest emcee of all time. Well, guess what? You are

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But whereas the typical BPMs on this record is somewhere between 115 and 120. I literally listen to your entire vocal take, just a cappella or Nation of Millions. Younger. You rarely. Younger, yeah. What was the longest song that it took for you to master of one nation of millions? I wasn't a quick take guy. I was never that one or two take person.

All fucking. I would be, you know, what was the test of all of us when I get a headache? I've only had five headaches since 1982. Like when people talk about migraines and so I don't know what a headache is. So my headaches off a record become self-induced, where I was just like, you know, Like, okay. Psychological. Well, no, I'm just going to keep pushing myself into the point where, you know,

oh, your shit is swirled up and then you're going to get a headache that's got like out of like, all right, you did 80 takes because you're not happy. I was going to say with righteous bombing and weaving and Teradome, I hear a punching glitch that was slightly off. Yeah. There's very little punches up in the P's stuff, early P's stuff, yeah. But for you, like, is it just a stance at a time? until who's the judge that will determine that's a take?

All of us, all of us, me doing it. Somebody on the other side, for example, the Rebel without a pause that we hear was a second day attempt. Wasn't we, I was not happy with the first day attempt. It was a bear too. Because we had to go in stages with Rebel. We had to be like, okay, now we got to take this thing

from a demo stage, which always sounded the best. Now we got to make a recording. Okay, wow. In the minute of our testing to see if we had to write was Buster and Charlie Brown and leaders who happened to be in there as we were getting that. Buster told me he cried real tears when he first heard rebel without us. Well, I had to tell him to stop running around the goddamn place and say, y'all get up out of here. You're going to be running all over the damn fucking place.

Going downstairs, you know. But they were like at that particular moment that they happened to hang around. They were right there when we were. Remember we were trying to make something out of that, you know, and that record happened. I happened to get that record. I think I told you this before, the Fool for Thought record. Yeah. Who did you?

You said you took it from someone's crib? Yeah. Tell me the story from soup to nuts. No, I'm going to give you from soup to nuts. I would just say that I went down to, I was talking to this girl. Right. And, you know, we was in her basement. And it was a long night that never went anywhere.

But I had to, I broke out and I was like, can I borrow this record? And I bawled the record. I was supposed to bring it back. I found that that was on the record, you know. And I was like, okay. But then this was like seven years before I actually, maybe five years before I actually used it. Yeah.

So the point of the matter is it's like, it went through phases and stages of what I could hear in my head. Like I have never, ever done what I really have heard in my head. I'm only half of the sonnet guy. Hank is the other guys. Like, he ain't really ever heard really what he is in his head to actually do it. If you guys have the technology now. What?

We do. It's called AI. But that's what I meant. If you have the technology now, do you think that these albums would have been even? Albums. Oatmeal now, bro. Everything's part of the blood and oatmeal now. It's just like anything is everything.

There's no comparison. There'll never be another route. You know why? Why? What's the second band to the? roots right now. See? Crickets. Oh.

Listen, the work that you turned down, who's picking up the scraps? I mean, I got, oh, yeah. Roots turned down 10,000 jobs, make history every night on national TV. Who's the second band? This is the biggest difference between

30 or 40 years. That's actually a shame, though. Of course it's a shame. All right, here's the deal, though. Rebel comes out. I swear to God, the next, not the next week, two weeks later on Lady B. Show, suddenly dismaster's part-time hustler, wrong by Big Daddy Kane. And I know the whole bridge thing versus whatever. But immediately in 14 days, New York responds to Rebel without a pause, changing the whole

entire paradigm shift happens. Rebel comes after the Latin quarter wildness of public enemy number one as an instrumental setting, setting some kind of fire in there. Did I hear that wasn't received well when it was first played or? Wrong MC cadence at the time. Raq Kim and KRS1 changed the whole game with their cadence with South Bronx, really poetry by KRS-1, book and now productions. and KRS One is telling you straight out that I'm changing the way that we actually deliver.

And then you rock him with Eric Biffel present, and then more importantly, my melody. Changed the whole way that they were like Lewis Armstrong, you know, and Duke Ellington to the way you phrase things. And it changed. So my favorite album, and this is another thing, and I'm glad I'm here to say that,

you know, we're in the 40th year, we're talking about a shame. When the 40th anniversary of what I consider the greatest album of all time? Because not only was it groundbreaking, it busts through Coliseum doors and crowded floors and arenas, and that's Raisin' Hell by Run DMC. I forgot that it's the 40th. Fortieth. To this point right now, right? Then it's also the 40th anniversary of the Raisin Hell tour, which was the third national tour subsequently after the first Fresh Fest, the one and Freshrest 2.

and then, raising hell, really put the hammer to the nail because run DMC, Houdini, who never gets talked about, right?

Because not only recording-wise did they do the thing with Jarlahil, Exacy, and Grand Master D, but by 1986, I mean, you got a group that's coming on

right before Run and D&J, that's really seriously that closing this building out because they got, now they got, you know, no, funky beat and all these other records,

and they're hitting it like, wow. There's two groups that have not seen in action, and even on YouTube, I mean, the freaks come out of night video gives you just an inkling of what their show was. And for some reason, not one person thought to pull out a camera to catch Stetsasonic at there.

People lucky, you have, listen, the problem is you got one-tens out there that catch still, you know, when you had a one-10 camera, you know, half of the film, Because especially if you're shooting your 110 in a dark arena, then you go to Walgreens and come to find out you got three pictures out of like, what, 20?

No, I'm in video cameras. Video cameras was 1990, 1991. No, 80, cash money. DJ Cash Money has documented his entire, from like 86 on. I know. You know what? It was one of those things, man. Back then, it's like, we're not letting you in this arena with anything.

they check in metal detect, especially after Long Beach and stuff like that. But yeah, there should be more somewhere. Like the closest we get to see Houdini before the show, like just like I said, and the priests come out at night, which also what they did, Escape, what they also did Escape as well,

is when you see Jermaine DePri and everybody getting off. That made people want to be an MC more than just seeing what happened on the stage. Yeah. It's like the buses. It's like, wow. You know, my first years on, tour, the only way I could put is that I was old and I felt like a camp counselor.

It was like summer camp because tours only took place in the summer. How many buses would be? What was your first tour? 1987, Beastie Boys, Licitor L, April 1st, 1987. And we played at the Pesag Theater, which is now down, and into the New Haven Coliseum on the 15th of April, 87. And that's torn down. The crazy thing about it, I played in more torn-down arenas

and it's able to still play stadiums and arenas today. Right. But it's really weird because you go and see a place and you're like, you know, like this is the thing about old heads.

When you're old head, when you go to a place, if, you know, if you're open enough, you still see the old building. Just like old heads, so when you come to Philly, you still think of the spectrum.

Of course. I see the spectrum. Actually, I still call it. You're just like old heads. Old heads, they could go to a new spot and be like, oh, yeah, that's where so-and-so was. I go up Broad Street, and I still remember when Connie Mac Stadium was there, because I had, you know, family down in Philadelphia and always wondering, like, why we keep coming to Philly

and why we keep going to Baltimore? You know, Baltimore, boy. So that's why I couldn't even watch the wire, man. Because the wire just reminded me of times I did not want to actually just re-familiar. I didn't think it was a joke, man, to me. I thought it was real serious that Baltimore was so close. to D.C. and just being... Or it to be in the condition that it was in the...

Yeah, exactly. It's just like, we're going to wreck Baltimore on purpose to show so close to the nation's capital. We're going to make Baltimore the worst place for black people. So that's why I just sometimes, you know, I mean, you know, and sometimes with my statements, I catch L's, but it's okay to catch L's in a lifetime. You're human.

Yeah, exactly. I wanted to know, like, for you, what was the hardest song to execute as far as, like, stage and song not stage just record like you're louder than bomb I don't know how you got through that there's a lot of words a lot of simple

like here's another thing that people don't understand I've been on the other side of what they consider old age for emcees for a long time a lot of things can affect the MC teeth of course I mean

I had an important was it mola or whatever and they couldn't do a root canal on it but it seemed like that was the key to power and how else are you going to explain it? So you could take it out and remove it and put a bridge over or whatever but

somehow that being connected in your skull and your head was a strong anchor tooth. Did you eventually get it fixed? You're never going to replace it though. And I was going to ask did it change your... Of course. In fact that you know like after age of 40 you're going to lose something in there.

Even if you get a wisdom two for a move, two of them in the back, something's going to move. So if you actually are vocalist and you don't have the same original whatever that you had, your command over certain words is just not going to happen,

especially if you're like, yeah, we keep up with it, but at 65, it ain't no way in hell. I'm going to have the same stuff I had at 30. You're just not, and especially if you're a vocalist, you know, vocalist singers like, They always worried about their pipes and can I hit the notes, or can I hit the tones or do I have enough breath and stuff like that?

You know, I think rappers, it's like, okay, your teeth, your gums. And then here's another thing. Like songs like Lyle in the Bomb, I used to do those songs and run and jump around. See, our whole thing is like, we got to do the songs and we got to move. You got to move. You play, we played, I mean, when I was younger, we played. together. It's like, we never did those songs like standing up like Solomon Burke. You know, I'm like... You still do them now. You still move.

Half of his muscle memory. You don't get no props on something that you did for like the last 30, 40 years because it kicks. And I could do bring the noise backwards and all that. I do bring the noise on roller skates and all that. But that's muscle memory. The joy, the joy to me, I wish I could do. But I'm kind of aged and timed out is writing a song and being able to do that really well. I haven't been able to do that like 30 years. I mean, let's say if I learn a new song, let's say we play together on Tonight Show,

I'm shit in bricks, man, because I'm like, I gotta learn this new song, man. And it's like, it would take me forever. But you might have helped me out by, like, going to sleep with one, although I like to sleep with no noise. Oh, no, I'm, I got to sleep the tones and all that stuff. Man, you're a miracle, man. That's autism talking.

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it's like simple things. Don't repeat yourself twice. Yeah, you might want to come out of the, you know, a B is a B into P.E. but take your time, gradually fade into what we're doing instead of like jumping into it. Little tricks like that, that really got nothing to do with the rhyme or execution. So you gotta write out a mission statement or visualize.

Form yourself. Because nobody could teach you, like nobody could teach a talent like you. Cube is a dude that got three brains in his head. You too, you know? Are you a, hey, new album time, let's start work, or is it always just like, we got some that we're creating, and once we got 19 of them. My thing is like this, man.

It's like I've always paid attention to the rockheads that said never repeat yourself twice. Hank Howe has a lot of that too, where if there's something that really worked for us, damn if that shit is coming back. We're all weirdos. We'd rather go into an area of making you try to like what you probably would hate hearing at first. Now, who does that?

So when you're talking about we wanted to be music's worst nightmare, you really were trying to... I'm not trying to... So we should grin that it worked? That's where the car time comes in because the only time you celebrate is not with awards, not with the hoopla,

not with the crowd. You celebrating the car by your damn self and said, hmm, okay, that seemed like a W in that and you keep driving. I know, right? It's like there ain't going to be no other public enemy because all the parts to are all crazy, man. It's almost like Roosevelt Long Island becomes a group, you know.

Roosevelt, Hempstead, and you had Bill Stephanie, you had Eric Sadler from him, himstead. It was something that happened once, ain't going to happen again in that way. Just like, I mean, well, you're a group. It's not going to be another route. The dynamics are just like unrepeatable. It's last century, bro. It's like what we like to talk about, we like to talk about, like who is doing something now,

and probably the ones that's catching the most heat for it, of probably doing the most transcending and pioneering without it actually having an end result to it. It doesn't necessarily have to have an end result to it to be a stain in the sands of time. So, yeah, I mean, so I'm always writing, and I'm always writing to write something, but at the same time, I come from an art background

where I'm not making music or anything for somebody else. I had to compromise with my other contributors, because I am the lyric writer, I have to take everybody sitting at the table's point of view in consideration. I tell people, I said, it's like when I do my art, I'm not doing my art for somebody else.

It's like, fuck it, you like it or you don't. Matter of fact, if you don't, I'll even love that more, you know? That takes a weird type of thing. But, you know, why, and I tell this to younger people all the time, like, why go to the mirror and go outside and ask somebody how do you look? Okay.

That's pretty much art in my head. Because people just want, I don't know, affirmation, you know? People, well, like I said, and people are strangers. All the time, people, you know, we'll ask, like, well, tell me what you think, which they want the cosign. I'll take a picture with you. Hold it. Let me see. Like I said, no, you're trying to see if you look good in it or look the way you want to look at.

Right. I don't care. So. Which gets me in trouble with my daughter, because I tell you, she's got the ash radar going on. She'll call me up if I'm on TV like that. I don't know who let you go do that. And I love it because he's just incredible. Hey, Dom.

Assuming that, I think I know the answer to this, most of hip hop have built a lot of their arsenal, sonic arsenal, off of the ultimate breaks and beats compilations, which DJs, you know, needed them to rock a party. They was a great compiling because we had three rooms of records before. But what I wanted to say was, How did you guys amass such a vast array of records?

Because half the stuff you guys were using weren't on the compilation. So I could tell that you actually own those records. When I saw your record room in Philly, it was like so reminiscent. I had to go in at an early stage and age and had to categorize three rooms of records. And that's Hank Shockley and Keith Shockley, collecting those records. Just from being DJs all those years? Yeah, yeah. Before Diggin was the thing.

thing. Right. You know, so, but the thing about here, and here's another thing. Now all you DJ are record collectors and stuff like this, they used to always make the same mistake of trying to A, carry crates of records to one gig. So you're not playing 95%.

You know, this is years before Serato gave everybody a choice. Right. And even that, that backfires too, because if you don't know the record and you just have it, then how you know what to play. Just because, like, I mean, people go in, I've been playing the front end of a record, but you never heard three quarters into the record.

You never played the back end. That's how I found bouncy lady for Kings of Preciar. Yeah. At the end. Because pleasure will never get talked about as a band. And also, what's it called, Zantz, up in fantasy, the way they mastered records, as you know, it's like every record that came out of fantasy

happened to have some oomph to it on the bass and the drums. Well, I would think in general that... Well, they saw Zanz, right? Yeah. Albums released on the fantasy label had extra. Yeah. Well, yeah, all those pleasure albums had it. But anyway, you know, like, so a lot of DJs made a mistake.

It's like, okay, we're collecting records, right? So when you have a collection of records and it goes from one room to two rooms and you got to go out there and do a gig, right? How do you categorize these records, especially if you're part of a record point? Yeah, who's the person that was the meticulous? Well, number one, it got stupid for us after a one. after we moved from Mrs. Boxley's basement into our own spot on 510, then we was able to spread out with the records. Before they was very concealed in the tight basement, you had to take the record crate.

And Hank and Keith created a system for us as mobile DJs in the late 70s where we had these crates, but getting in the basement, we had to make a sharp right concrete term. and what I mean by sharp right concrete turn is like the back of your hands with this crate you got concrete and you got this turn so many of times and maybe we were too stupid to wear gloves

sometimes we did sometimes we didn't you know it built up you know this area but it was just got okay we got fine a better way so we went to 510 then the records was vast we still carry records too many records to the gig so I say you know what man

two crates, loading the van, go. But you know what? We can always go in and figure out what you're going to take to the appropriate gig that fits, right?

So we got a room growing in the two rooms of records. And we got another DJ, EJ to DJ, who's on the other side. It's a timeout. The biggest mistakes

that record collectors made back in the day as DJs is alphabetical order that will always get you in trouble. I do genre. Of course you know that, right? Right.

Yeah. And genres, sometimes we get you're in trouble too. At least you know where your jazz stuff is. You still got the shelf systems and they are what they are. I had to do one record to 4,000, one by one, which means that, yeah, BT Express, you know, do it to you're satisfied. One.

Patrick Cowley. Wait, so what was the order of how you would know where stuff is? Book. You just go through the book instead of the sponge. You can't read the spines. to keep through a regular beggar book. So Keith, man. Y'all would have kick me out the glove.

No, no, Keith, yo, man, got to get the record. Boom, boom, boom, boom. It's easier to go through the book. Then it needs to go through the book. You can't go through the spine. Yo, is your mind blowing right now? Jake, I'm like, how are you going to go through the spines? You can't read anything on the spine.

What is the spine? You're like, oh, I think that says, you can't read that. And at the same time, even, yeah, there's genre areas, but also we belong to a record pool. and a record pool is giving you 90% of bullshit. I mean, I don't want to say the recording is bullshit, but... How many people are contributing to this pile of record madness that you guys are building? How many people who actually do you think contribute to the madness that you are?

Usually it comes down to two and three. Well, yeah, two and three, but I'm trying to figure out who's in Spectrum City in terms of... Myself, Keith, Hank, and we're upstairs. Eric and Vietnam, he's downstairs. because he's a band studio. So bands are coming in there rehearses. So he has nothing to do with the records upstairs. So it's me, Keith and Hank,

and his others contributed in and out. But as far as doing those menial tasks, it's like I got books of Chuck's handwriting, writing out 5,000 titles, and, you know, it's just that you had to do it that way. Made it easier because when you got new records, you could just find a new shelf system. Like, okay.

And then you kind of know, kind of like, It's like a little telepathic. It's like, oh, that's the J.B. area over there because that's where a lot of shit is over there. And when you're binge shopping, like, it's your job to categorize everything. Eventually, after you set up a system, anybody could do it. And then. That sounds. And let me go.

Let me tell you. At that time, no, no, that was easy. At that time, my handwriting was like, matter of fact, I went through college, right? And where everybody had to type, they looked at me. It was like, because I'm an art student. I mean, over there in the art school, they were like, listen, everybody's supposed to type, but you good. And then found out that professors only want to type in so they ain't trying to read everybody's hairwriting. It's like, listen, everybody got to give us the same font.

So that's where we are. That's where we are even on social media where somebody is like. How good your penmanship? Back in the day, puss. Ask my daughter. You're like calligraphy level or? I've fallen off in so many different areas. But back then.

You still actively right now? All the time, man. I never touch the screen. I don't touch screens. I use, this is gold. This might be a commercial for you guys. Okay. Wow.

So you're still right. I've been using a stylist, man, ever since the beginning of Apple iPhones. Because Toy Ann Julia, you know Toyan. Yeah. She gave me the first iPhone. I forgot what I was on. I was on something using the stylist at the particular time.

Some single or wireless stuff in 2006. And Toyan said, But here, we're in New Orleans, I think one of the Essence Fest. She says, she doesn't get enough credit for all the stuff that she's done. She's back there. She's literally updated me to the digital world. Yeah, exactly. Yes.

She's back there in the job days. Yes. So she's like, boom, all on one device. Yes, I heard about it. I got my iPod over here that you gave me two years ago. Right. He says, yeah, this is all on one. And she goes like this.

I'm like, that's not even chicken. grease friendly. I mean, I ain't touching no screen. She says, you will, or you'll figure it out, because they ain't even has a stylist. And she goes like this. She says, take this. I'm like, yeah, but I mean, I got to leave the phone that I got. So that was my introduction to the iPhone, and I had everything on it. And you use a stylus. I always use a stylist, man. That is crazy talk. Like when people do this, I understand how they do any of this. I am not. Oh, my God. It ain't like, I'm like, oh, I can't touch a screen. It's just like, I wouldn't even know where at the beginning.

My dad, you know, he passed 10 years ago. His hands was so thick. I couldn't even ever see him typing. His hands was like, like, damn near like half this table. So he couldn't type. So how do you just do all that? You do that well? Yeah, because I forced myself.

I forced myself. Like at 2002 or something like that. I mean, I forced myself to learn it. You know, I think watching Tariq do it, he now writes all of his run. in his thing. I don't understand that dude. I don't.

That dude is Leonardo da Vinci of our times, man. Well, he gets up, he has a system that he, it works for him. He's in bed around 8.30 p.m. Well, that's one thing. I ain't, I'm never doing. He gets up 3.34 in the morning. And this is the thing, like, especially, again, if you study how the whole, again, I'm obsessed with how the brain works.

you'll get probably your best work out if you're tired. This is why you hear about people getting up meditating at four in the morning, five in the morning. When you're kind of in this groggy state, when you want to press snooze, that is when your magic will happen. This is also, Quincy Jones will call a session around 6 p.m. They'll get to the studio and he'll have everyone's favorite restaurant there, some steak restaurant or something. Feeds them, feeds them, has red wine, they get nice,

they start to fall asleep in the break room. He lets him nap. Around one in the morning, he'll be like, all right, guys, let's cut. He purposely wants them tired. Literally, he's like every session from Thriller. The musicians would do it late at night till 2 in the morning because when they're in this state of what he says,

the alpha state of they won't argue back with them because they're too tired. They won't overthink it. Because everything is sweet in one. Wonderful and Quincy Jones made a hundred years of the best music of all time. We went in the studio like it was war. We got two hours. The clock is ticking.

They don't want us anyway. We will come here and try to take your head off. Late in night though, though, right? You had it all feet hours. Did you not? That didn't matter. I always came in there like they was trying to kick me out. So agree.

I ain't trying to spend a lot of time. We ain't trying to spend. Hank later on because he was taking on different sessions and different artists and people like that, but my job was like, come in there, don't waste time. Like, even with, you know, I saw the interview with you and Kim Gordon. It was like, you know, they're in studio B, we in studio A. They ordering food. Okay, I'll take that. Boom. Hey, you think you, you know,

come in the studio and check us out and they're making goo, you know? Cool, whatever. Bam, knock it out. Bam, back in our room. So there wasn't time wasting at all? The key is at the end of those records, especially. Hank's genius comes in the mix, but not only in the mix, because you got to kind of like find the pulse of it all. Then it's got to be in,

okay, you, trust me, he's got people on his ass like, damn, he made that mix. Bro, wherever you got to take it to Howie

and later on Belladomiller, can't have Master and fuck this up. Micromanaging everything? No, no, but kind of everybody knows that, you know, like,

nobody wants you there anyway. We got the, upside down ugliness of it all. We, we're presenting the ugliness, the other side, shit that, like, make kids run out of the room type shit. There was no way to explain

why public enemies should work. So our whole thing even was like, yo man, we're not presenting anything that you're supposed to like. In matter of fact, it's talking about stuff over here. It's got sounds from over here. You know, we're older as it is, right? Everybody

else is 19 and 18 and 20. We're 28 and 29. growing ass men in many cases. So it ain't nothing here you're supposed to like. However, there's going to be something in there that you're going to say whatever. So we took it, you know, very seriously every stage, not to be up in a studio, but to kind of like get up out of there. And when you bring a whole bunch of people together, you can't be wasting people's time. Listen. And you're there for heart-wrenching knockout. Stage and breathtaking triumph.

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It's not just a game. It's your culture. I took an elbow to my head, which cracked my skull. It is an American game. The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World Cup this summer,

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Listen to Drink Chams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I took four years out to teach at NYU. And one of my co-professors was Nick's Santa. Okay. Every time I was seeing Nick, Nick was like this. Because his wires were popping out of Nick's head and making of fear in nations.

But later on, it's just like Nick was always tired. So that Quincy Jones thing probably always worked with Nitz. Well, here's the thing, though. He told me the most mind-blowing shit of all time. My third year, I wanted to move to hip hop. And I had an idea. I told Harry Wagner at Universal, I said, look, I said, is there any way I can get the entire stems of nature of millions? And maybe we could teach it to the class.

So they get it for me. And I'll say maybe I got this a month before we started. And I was like, let me see if I could try to match this, like, note for note. I don't know how you guys made, like literally just listening to it fragment it. And I wish I could convey the world how mind-blowing the construction of Colt Lamp and flavor is it's shit I can't describe. So the thing is I'm going through all the boxes and everything. And when I get the baseheads, the meticulous amount of note taking literally bar,

bar 38 this sample bar 42 da-da-da-da 116 slow down the David Bowie's thing so I go to professor next day and I was like wait a minute did they pre-produce this or like I'm okay so the Beastie boys were in class like two weeks earlier right they talked about the making a Paul's boutique right right they would take one loop at a time get the drums right All right, now let's get this based on matching to the drums. They didn't have technology and pro tools to shift. So they basically would just make perfect loops of each thing until it all fit together.

Right. He told me that you guys would actually pre-program everything. He's like I barely did any post-production mixing on this as far as like, I will spend hours on it. Yeah, number one is going to be a monster. But what's the division of labor as far as the two shocklies? Save the labor in the mix. Save the labor in the mix.

Because number one, we coming in front heavy. If you come in front heavy, like, kind of like it's all up in the air and you got a million possibilities, you coming into the mix, like scratching your head, like, where do we go from here? So you got to come in and like, yo, man, this is going to have to be it's set in stone. For example, 9-Living Bay says it's a perfect example. And this is why it's hard for one person to talk about it. If you had me, Hank, Eric, and Keith talking about it.

Later on, me, Hank, Gary, talking about me you can't trust it and things like that. You start to fill in the blanks by everybody talking at the same time because that's how a lot of the stuff was built. So then you start to remind it. Like the other day, me and Hank was up doing something. And he reminded me something that I forgot. I don't forget a lot. He reminded me that we worked at the same place for a little while at the same time. And he was in the record area and I was in automotive.

And I was like, that's why we did, you know, we did work together. What job was this? TSS, Times Square Stores and Hempstead. And you guys didn't know? We didn't know. I was like, oh, we forgot that we did. I remember that me and Keith changed tires at Sears in Hicksville for a whole summer. That was another experience.

Really? Yeah, we changed tires, man. I had 18 jobs before. This became my occupation, man. What else were there? What other jobs did you do? I never would fix people's food or cut people's hair. I ain't doing that.

Those are danger areas. But cleaning warehouses. I wrote, I wrote a bumer's show as a messenger. Yeah. I learned how to basically get long weeks. What was your last job before you knew that you could make a living in public getting? I tell everybody in music. Number one, just like to tell you in basketball,

the game will tell you what to do. And music, if you dope, it will tell you when to leave the job. It will tell you when you can leave your regular Monday to Friday or whatever is paying your rent or paying you to eat because we're all furnaces so you know you got to eat, right? It will tell you.

What told me I had a job? I was a messenger for about two years. In Hempstead, I delivered photo packages, right? To places across Long Island and Queens. Great. Why? because I didn't have a clock on me. I didn't know why looking on my shoulder,

and I loved driving. So when Flavis talking about, remember when we were driving out to? No, that was another job. Oh, okay. That was a job that we moved furniture. Me and Flavor moved furniture. That's a movie in itself. Because either him at the wheel,

and he at the wheel and me in the passenger seat or vice versa, and we're yelling at people, get up out of the way, Howard Stern is playing on the radio. It was a crazy time. But we're moving furniture from my pops all throughout New York metropolitan area. But that was just like my pop, you know, it wasn't my only job.

So the job I had before I went on tour was delivered these photos, government photos, really high-end photos out of a refined photo lab. So I wrote bumruster show in that car in the passenger seat. Of course, recording at night, going out to INF studio in Manhattan, going to work the next day, you develop things like your sleep, what they call long winks. Like you had to stop light, long wink.

You get about a thousand long weeks you make up for lost sleep. Sometimes people tell you like, yo man, you can't make up for lost sleep. Yes, you can. Long winks. Like, I mean,

sometimes... So even during bone rust the show, you have to report to your... I got to be somewhere at 10.30 To pick up a delivery. 8 o'clock. But that job had a little bit of flexibility that allowed me to write the record.

Right. And listen to where I wanted to listen to. sometimes even like get a package, go home and then go out to like Brookhaven at the end of Long Island and then come back and then sometimes say, oh, you don't have to come back and just pick up that package and bring it in the mall.

It was a great job. EPD was the name of the company owned by a black husband and wife and there was a major company. I thought they were inspirational in itself. Okay. So the business will tell you what to do. We had already had bummust the show

and then there was an opening in a license of ill tour, the bottom end of it, because Fishbone had to go in and finish their album. We were all CBS artists back then, before it became Sony. And we had an opening slot for Public Enemy. Guys, $1,000 a night, but we had two management companies and a booking agent. So that's 15% there, 15% there, and then 10% there.

But we did the 15 dates in a van, and they was like, oh, there's no way you could do it. Hell, we'll have to give you a loan. No, we can do it. Well, so I drove from the first day of Pasek, all through the Northeast, played Syracuse, Rochester, New Haven, and ended up, played Lehigh Valley. These were the first markets that were opening up because of the Beastie Boys. I mean, the Fresh Fest, they're playing like major urban city.

We're playing like... So you're benefiting the Beastie Boy, the Life of the Ill Effect. We're not playing Boston. We're playing Worcester. Got it. We're playing the centrum. It's like, you're looking like, you're looking at 10, 12,000, you know, white kids because they're coming out to see Beastie Boys, Murphy's Law, Public Enemy,

and we were totally antithesis to, it's like, what the hell with a siren and all that? So the caption on the bit before Terodome were the guys like talking about their gentlemen in cages and Uzi's and that was real. It was somebody who called Alan Combs show who actually saw us with, the Beastie Boys and was pretty much appalled by, yeah, I seen them. And now they're this. When I first seen them, they were like this. And I was appalled when I saw them.

And you were there in the studio as he's describing that, you know, I think that they're scum to and all that. Yeah, I got the tape of the show and made the song out of me. I would always be, and you're the same. You're the same guy. Back in the day, matter of fact, I did a voiceover document or, or documentary for you guys back in the day. Yeah.

I would be someplace I'm doing an interview, and I was like, can you tape it? Can I get the tape? That's how the crowd came and it takes the nation of a million. Yeah. Because I was like, okay, can I get that audio tape? So I bring back to Green Street. I got the tape, I think we can kind of

interst, you know, interact. And so we don't have to go record by record by record by record. Because we didn't want the monotony of a record just going song by, Raisin' Hell did that. So how did we break it up? There was two influential records. One, gratitude, Earth Winning Fire. Why?

Because they're kind of doing this. That's the way of the world songs, but they're live, but it seems like it's not live, but wow, it's like, so the crowd is what really brought more people to Earth Win and Fire concerts. It's a peek into what the experience. It was their version of Live of the Apollo for James. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so. That was very influential. I said, you know what? This never really been done because whatever's been done live and hip hop, the recording still ain't doing what the tapes have done. And the tapes would have a bunch of, although they were kind of rudimentary recorded,

you still heard like, somebody say ho! You want to hear like, ah! Oh, maybe it's, yeah. As opposed somebody say, oh, and it was recorded right, but you don't hear nobody. Right. So in-house recording was probably the,

tape that did the most because it had the interaction. You said two albums, gratitude was one. What was the other one for you? The other one, not Live of the Apollo or? No, no, no. Gratitude and I'm having a brain fog at the minute. Okay. I told people, I said, we want to make a what's going on of rap.

Gotcha. But that was, you know, like, you kind of talking shit before you even did it. But it is. Yeah, but the name of the name of the. the album was supposed to be countdown the Armageddon. Is it true that side two was supposed to be side one and side... Side two was side one. You were going to start the record with She Watch Channel Zero?

But this is... What the hell? But this is where... No, no, it was going to start with showing what you got. Well, yeah, I know that as an intro, but... Last second, the last minute, Howie Weinberg, Hank was like, that's when the DJ instincts keep it.

Because back then, you know, the scene. century line was very important. Why? Everybody's songs had to, especially if you black, it had to result in movement. What's the body movement with today's music? It's not dance. You got dancers that kind of exhibit themselves, but would you say today if somebody is 21 Savage or whatever, that's kind of old school now? Right? But I'm just saying, but I'm just saying, Actually, you're telling the truth, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like...

Because in my mind, 2017 was like last year, not 10 years ago. But also, music is not sound anymore. It's sight, sound, story, style, all the elements. And you might have people that might not even know what something sounds like, but it's like... But it's the same way I might listen to Paul Chambers. Am I listening to Paul Chambers, or am I looking at the jack in the cover? And it's all the background noise to me, you know what I'm saying?

So the aesthetics of blues and jazz always hit me more than what it sounded like. It's just like, people talk about mumble rap. You could go from mumble to gibberish real quick or word salad and all that. But it's kind of like the same with me with singing records. You probably study the lyrics of singing records more than me. Like, what are they saying in Getaway?

So isn't that a little bit like mumbling or what? I mean, singing it, I never really... Well, he once said, senior senseless songs to the mindless. I mean, but it wasn't necessarily to talk about that. I mean, look, I mean, what's the other, well, I just recently found, because I listen to a lot of

serious 60s and 70, all the time, religiously, maybe a little bit too much. I didn't know that Steve Miller, I had no idea what he was saying, I was, I was always thinking he's talking about some, a new Carolina. You know, Carolina.

Oh, yes. I was like, what the fuck is he saying? And didn't care. So how is that much different from mumble rap? It's a feeling. Well, mumble rap is a generation that's numb, you know, post-9-11. But I'm talking about who's doing it and how they do it, their execution vocally. They're not going to have words, and you're not going to get like a bag of words, but they might just like, and I've done that with some songs.

Like in Terodome, I glossed over some shit. I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about. If you would ask me right now, what, is the top run DMC song. Their signature song, I hate to disappoint people. It's going to be it's tricky. It's when the smoke clears. But saying it was September.

It was supposed to be Shining Star. It was supposed to be. Toronto was this tricky. Right. But for some reason, it's tricky. The running them ever tell you that I just recently found this one out. What? That run said Larry Smith tried to make Planet Rock.

And that's how it's like that. came along. He's trying to make planet rock. Right? So, yes. All right, here's the kicker. Without high hats. The big boom, boom, boom, right? I always had the theory. And I've known these guys forever, right? But I'm asking studio questions two years ago and we all got together for hip-hop 50, right? So I'm like saying, what brought the big beat sound to the first time

I heard it's like that? Whom, wow, whoa, whoa. And also Sucker MCs, ba-dam, bomb, right? Groundbreaking sound. I said, was it Soul Sonic Force looking for the perfect beat when we were all looking for the perfect beat? And finally they go, beat this, boom, bum, bum, and Arthur Baker made it

kind of big. Yes. Did that do anything to you and Larry? And Run said, yeah, because when we did action all over again, they said, why don't we throw our whole joint like that? Right? I think that. Right?

Oh, shit. Right? You're right. I'm kind of, yo, man, you know what I did? I punched run so hard in the chest, right? He's like, yo, bro, don't be killing me with. I said, it was sitting in my head for so long, man.

I never thought of that. What made them go from, and then from after that, like Trevor Horn and all those guys tried to do the, it's like Arthur Baker when they, because we were looking for the perfect beat. And the perfect beat wasn't it. except for one little breakdown, boom, boom. I'm like, okay, this is what we're getting?

When Joey and them went like next to next year, they say, okay, and Joey said, yo, man, just throw that whole joint in that boom, boom, boom. That's how they came up with it, it's like that. That's how they came up with those big beats, man. Right. Radio experience, weekend gold tickets to Ilsoni. One, two, three, go with Dom,

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you get your podcasts. Well, my whole point was, Teradome to me, I know Fight the Power is supposed to be the signature song. I think Rebel Without a Pause is the song

that some can say saved you, established you, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And bringing the noise to me is a miracle because very rarely will you find a follow-up song

that literally could match or surpass. I don't think, once I remember without a pause, I just thought like, okay, this is the one song that you guys get one time to change our lives. That's how it is. And one person gets... And the next song that we recorded after that was Don't Believe the hype. Which I felt was a purposeful, like, let's...

Yeah, like, here's the curve to the fastball. Like, yo, you're not, you're getting an ephist. Like, ugh. And when we tried to... But that was smart, though. Well, we... Because it let us down a little bit. You can't repeat that.

I mean, listen, when Hank had the master, we had it on acetate, we gave it to Chuck chill out, man. By time I got back down to the car, Chuck had put it on the radio, man. What's on? Rebel Al-a-Pa-Pa-Baus. It's like, yo, man, when that was mastered,

that's what I was like, yo, we could die tomorrow. That record got a life of its own. It's gone. No matter what, and there's nothing that can stop that. How many records did you guys go through before you settled on the most unlikely place,

which is Tub, rock's rock and roll dude. I didn't even know rock and roll dude existed. I remember, because we would do things with Fred Maneo and select records. And I remember Fred Maneo telling. Oh, because of true mathematics. Yeah, okay. He was telling me and Hank he said, this is like the chubby checker of hip hop.

And he tells him about tub rock, who later on does probably one of the most public relations. Thoughtful songs of all time. human resource songs ever would treat them right. Because the most thoughtful hip-hop song of all time. Of all time, it's like artists should, matter of fact, before you start your career, listen to Chub Rock, and I think a whole lot of people might not have gotten shot, robbed.

I took notes. Yeah. I took notes. That one of treating them right. That was such a blessing, man. But before he really got big... I didn't know about that first record. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I did not know about that. That record, Terminator, found that part, Rock and Roll. And he used it because Norman says, okay, we're making sort of like bring the noise like a rock type record maybe. And first of all, we're working to the early morning, like P. Rock says on Run's record.

Yeah. So we're sleeping. He's doing this and it sounded like gibberish. And it was like, nah, man. It was like, number one, that record was like a Frankenstein construction anyway. It was like, we all we? We all with this. and I think

Hank took the or one of us took Eric took out the base on the scratch and made all the sense in the world wow that's how it wound

yeah because the base was conflicting with the other stuff and it was just like jumbled and we took the base out and it was like glass and it became a signature for Norman for years to come

where is truth Maddox by the way who was truth mathematics he's a great artist or writer named Kenny Spam. And I would give the names, right? Because I would be pretty much giving you the...

So you named leaders of the new school, young black teenagers, son of berserk? If I didn't name them, then Hank would name it, and we'd just like, it's got to be better. And then I would make logos for artists too, because I'm like, you're going to come through here. You're going to have an identity when you leave. You're coming in here with talent.

But your talent developing the skill, you've got to have something to go out there. You're in Long Island. It's got to be us against the world. So you got to show like you got something. It really ain't got a long stone to throw now because it ain't like it was five years earlier where you had to go up against Mo D and all those. Those were superhuman hip-hop gods.

These guys are right here in Queens. They 10, 15 minutes away. This shit is reachable. So true math was Kenny Spam. We're like, well, listen, if you take this name True Mathematics and I would look in Ebony, I saw this guy, True Mathematics, who coincidentally later on became known as Hock Islam. That's how you named him? The name True Mathematics was dope because, you know, it wasn't far off.

Everybody was familiar with 5 percenters and... Was he a 5%? No, hell no. Were the young black teenagers black, no? He was Kenny Spam. Okay. It was like we went for spam to the gods. Whose idea was to always make him sound like he's talking through his CB?

We had to figure out something that wouldn't give him. a style, you know, as a rapper. Doug, for the money was my shit. I love the shit out this song. All right, because we look at you kind of in superhero mode and always asking about your career or whatever, I mean, you reveal him about you roller skating was the most human Chuck D. Store I've ever heard. Backwards.

These are, these are. I rhyme backwards in Roller Scape back then, yeah, so. I'm still trying to get that out. Look, I once went Roller Skain with Prince. We did. Oh, wow. He called me at 11 p.m. Prince, his then-ex wife, Larry Graham, Tina Graham, Eddie Murphy, Nicole Murphy, me and my ex-girlfriend at the time, eight of us in Glendale. Okay.

What, did they shut it down? This was, dude, it was like one in the morning. And Prince walks in and pulls out a briefcase, Paul Fiction style. opens it and the shit is glowing and the first thing he said now this is like 2005 he's like put your phone away like social media doesn't exist yet

Twitter doesn't exist I had a palm pilot I was like what do you do he just know I don't want to see this on the internet I'm like see what and then he pulls out these translucent skates that light and there's a Xanadu effect of the shit

where like the more it's on wood I don't know if you ever been to the Glintel Roller Ring but like the sparks of the wheel are also having friction on the like it's literally a Xanavine me and Eddie Murphy literally

like we can't believe we're seeing this right now literally. Would the Eddie get out to SK? Eddie and I talked about this 10 years later I said yo you remember the night we went roller skate with Prince he says yo you didn't hear that after you left then this is when Prince was heavy on his Jova's Witness thing he's like at one point

Prince like jumped and then backwards and said, Eddie Murphy, when are you going to come to Kingdom Hall with me? And then literally like just rolled backwards. And literally went to hip surgery like a year later. Exactly. Wasn't the dancing in the splits. It was that roller skating.

No, it was. He fell off a piano in like a Atlantic City and damaged his back. All right. My final question is to you. Last meal on Earth. What would it be? Last meal? Yes, I'm asking you human questions.

It would probably be fish that when it came down the fish, right? I always thought that Ra Kim's line was foreign to me back then and I ended up being a good fish eater. I mean, everyone got to have the fish sandwich like there. Yeah, but, you know, yeah. Yeah. Okay, maybe that. Everyone knows like a good fish sandwich hoodspot.

When you get 65, man, you were really getting into that area what you better not have. So even after the last meal. So you know what? Avocados. have jumped on me in the last 10 years. This is out of here from California. Avocados, yeah.

And having an avocado tree is really good. All right. If not the leader of one of the greatest groups of all time, what would you have been? Oh, illustrator. No, hands down. And a kick-ass one, too. Very much.

I am sorry now. Is Marble aware you're... I've worked with the guys. I mean, what's it called freestyle freelance? So, yeah, I don't know. on anybody looking over my shoulder, and I'm pretty much an abstract illustrator like I am an MC.

I could be a fine artist. You are? If I want to, but I also like to be an, there's a difference between being fine artists, graphic artist, illustrator. Quick at it. And during the pandemic, I was able to work on my speed skills. Okay.

Yeah. During prime PE, your first 10 years of PE, what three figures had you starstruck? Like autographs? Living at the time? Yeah, like, and your travels. Like, what three figures was like, holy shit, I'm meeting?

I mean, I mean, because I've come across a lot of people from Mr. Farrakhan and that whole circle with Reverend Jackson. And I met James Brown once, but never really met him. Did he know he? Yeah, but this is a trip. I'll be short. At the turn of the century, I think I was giving Prince or Award. I forgot what the name of this award show was.

Okay. And so it was out here somewhere. And I was backstage. And as I was getting ready to go on the stage and present Prince's award, and that was a crazy backstage night, too. I leave and I go to the green area. And I see this guy turned around. He had like a suit and hair.

and I was like and I knew all my James Brown studies I just well if it is him you better have Mr. in front of that name Mr. Brown.

Right. And I tapped him on the shoulder and he turned around oh hey how you doing Mr. Brown? My name is Chuck and Chuck Deval in public enemy and then he went

Oh! And I said, can you hold it right there? And I this is before cameras Right, right. Anybody got camera? Anybody got a camera?

I finally get somebody's camera, get back to that area. He's on stage with Genuine. Wait, what? Yeah, he's on stage with Genuine. So I'm going around on the, I'm trying to catch him, maybe leave stage left. So I get the stage left real quick with the camera, right? I'm going to get him when he comes off or whatever. And I'm with, who am I talking to?

I'm talking to Denzel. So we're waiting. We're waiting. He leaves stage right. I run around. He's out of there. Only time meeting James Brown, and he was excited. Damn.

Well, at least you got that out of him. At least you got that out. Oh, I was like, hold it right there. Came back, nothing. What was the first concert you ever attended? That I even attended and bought with my own money. Yes. Madison Square Garden, 1978, October, right?

O.J.'s Commodore's Brothers Johnson. What a line? Who went on last? Brothers Johnson's open up. OJ's closed, brothers, Commodore's closed it out. Okay.

Is there a song that makes you cry for no reason? Either prompts a memory or, oh man, reminds me a big mama or just, is there a song that makes you emotional for no reason? My girl, temptation,

mommy and my daughters. Nice. Nice. What song are you ashamed to say that you actually like? Ashamed? Do you know the words of macarona or something or like, I'm never ashamed of any song I like.

Or Rick Astley's never going to give you up. No, no, no, no. Every time I think about, like, my forward road, you know, I always think, I don't think I'm ashamed of it, like running on empty Jackson Brown. That's respectable. Yeah, I got respect. But there's got to be a song in there that, like,

I have a problem. You know what my problem is? What? I can't turn songs off in my head. How do you do that? I have a song, I have a song really, seriously, playing it in my head for like the last eight weeks and I can't get it out and I want it out of my head.

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Did I hate doing? Yeah. Oh, man. Let me tell you. Number one, don't mess with electric work. If you ain't electrician, don't touch nothing. And I really, the actual word is like, don't touch anything. No, no, no.

I mean, I always do that. I'm like, I'm not trying. Look, when you get to a point, you better pay people who are experts at what they do and stop playing around, man. You know, I will drag the garbage cans out. I would wash my own dishes. Although sometimes I throw the cuff of my house. and look at my dishes that I washed.

I had eye surgery, like six times the last two years, right? And had cataract surgery in the eye and all that. So I'm not one of those OG unks and aunties that kind of like, yeah, you wash the dishes, but you kind of like didn't wash them right. I think I do. I just don't use a dishwasher. Same. Same.

So, I mean, mistakes were made. Yeah. So chores. I think when you get somebody that's doing like gardening and the heads clippings. One thing I know when I was a kid, I grew up, you know, in a house on Long Island and we had kind of like a big plot of land for our town. And one thing I said I would not do the rest of my life is bag leaves or raked them. Can I say the words, fuck that?

Yes. Bag leaves or raking leaves. There you go. Because you get them right in that area. I had calluses, scars, cuts all up because of raking. and all that. I totally, I said,

when I turn 21, I'm never raking again. And my brother would be like, oh, you guys go rake it, right? And he'd find a way that just leave halfway through

and I got to rake it, bag it. Take the wait. Oh, man. I don't like the end of fall. I don't like wintertime. You know,

I got to deal with them. But, you know, seriously. All right. Second and last question. Who is your longest friendship? Longest friendship. That's kind of different at 65

because you pick up where you, left off. So the guys I grew up with as sports fans, I haven't been around them in a long time. The people in music, they kind of, we pick up where we left off. Guys like Bill Stephanie is like, okay, I met Bill as a college. We all pick up where we left off. I could go see Dre, Harry Allen, you know, who's weird half of that. I saw Hank the other day, Keith. So it's on and off in season. All in those. But the whole key is that when you're moving, you know, pick up where you left off, man.

You got to pick up where you left off because you got to allow people to be themselves. And I come from a group. So at the top of the group, and I guess you know this too, the top of the group, but you do a lot of bottom roles. Of course, you cannot be the guy that everybody is going to like, hey, let's see. No, so flavor don't mean, flavor is not like that. Bags got to come off of the truck. I'll get my bag, my house in my little.

Flavor's moving right on to the hotel as he should, though. Right. So one of us got to be that guy, right? He is that guy. And by him being that guy allows me to be the guy I am, which is, okay, I will diplomatically hear you out, give a discussion, see if this works. But I really, really appreciate the way

flavor has really evolved. Well, he's at nine, like he's always revolving. He's like, when people count flavor out, flavor is going to come back even harder than ever. He is the poster child for, what attention spans of now. And the outer sight, out of mind, or evaporating thought of, he is the poster child,

but I know in the relationship with him, he in his 60s has gone in the areas I've never seen him before. He's gone in the areas of being a guy in charge, making sure he's on point. He'll go here, there, whatever. To me, he has to. I see the difference. I see it and I welcome it. I love this.

I love this one. Because I'll tell you, being that Mr. Everything Everywhere, man, for so many years, I look at 65. I was like, yeah, all right, I did my time in that. And now, yeah, I might get a little bit on, you know, you on my lawn type of thing, but I enjoy my space that I'm in now. But I said in order for PE to do things, I told him, I said, especially after the pandemic, I said, you're going to have to be that guy because I don't really have it to that full tilt anymore. Because where I've already had it, I'm already doing it in other areas.

So when we come together, we tell each other, said, I don't know if I'm Mick or your Keith or I'm Keith sometimes and you're Mick, But you know what? When we come together, it's automatic, you know, and in every other part fits in. Like the lineup today is going to work. When I play with Terminator and Griff in a minute, I play with them in a minute. But it's also got to agree with the people who are there.

Gotcha. You can't move people out. Flavor has to agree. So I'm the type of person that not only have I had open-door policy, but half-65, man, time is short, I got no door. Damn. No door policy. That's a mic drop.

All right. I will let you go because your daughter is going to kill me right now. I thank you for doing this for me, doing the solid. The great Chuck D. I'll be catch me again, man. Wait, y'all, let me close the show out. Hang on. The show ain't over.

Yeah, right? Chuck D. packing us up. Yeah, they're kicking us out. Chuck D. Thank you very much. We've got to do this again because I swear, God, I had seven hours more questions. Man, let me tell you, man. When I tell people about you all the time, you're my hero, I felt that in a sort of like way without actually, you know,

going beyond, you know, myself on this, I thought, like, when you came along in the industry, I felt that it was somebody to pass the baton to that would even maximize anything that I did. Because, you know, back in the 80s and 90s, they had to ask questions for rap. We put together this documentary. We're doing this thing.

let's call Chuck. And it's like, wow, you know, okay, all right. Or you feel like the lone spokesperson for it. Oh, God. I mean, you know, you're dealing with our times and all that. And you seem to understand. And I said, you know, man, it's got to be somebody else. Because after a while, you got why it spark in your head.

And then you came along. And then I'm like looking for the outside of you. I'm saying, oh, thank God for Quest Love. Dude, I literally quit my job by a side two of nation of millions to, do what I do now, and I thank you for that, man. Thank you. All right, bro. Catch up. I'll see you on the next girl around.

I'll say hello. I will. And, you know, and that super genius computer friend of yours. He's coming with some shit, man. I'm sure I tell you. All right. All right. Get out of here.

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