The Questlove Show - DJ Cash Money Backstage At The Roots Picnic
Episode Date: August 14, 2026The LEGENDARY DJ Cash Money joins Questlove live from the 2026 Roots Picnic at Philadelphia’s historic Belmont Plateau for a mini masterclass on the city’s turntablism legacy. A renowned t...urntable wizard, collector, and beacon of Philly Hip-Hop history, Cash traces the city’s evolution from Grandmaster Nell and Cosmic Kev at Hotel Philadelphia to the birth of the Transformer scratch at Central High—breaking down how Philly quietly rewrote the rules of the DJ. Cash also traces his own evolution from house party selector to technical innovator, inspired by Latin Rascals edits, Gemini mixers, and his own dancer’s sense of rhythm. Along the way, he reveals the wild story behind his “Pump Me Up” routine, which later found its way into Public Enemy’s “Fight the Power” and the Def Comedy Jam theme. This mini-episode is merely an appetizer for a much bigger discussion to come.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Okay, ladies and gentlemen, this is the Questlove show, and this one is for me.
me. All right? This is for me. Not you. This is for me. We are live here in the illustrious
Republic of Ilydorf, circa 2026. It is a beautiful last day of May, intro to summer. We are
live at the Belmont Plateau. And there's a very, very specific reason why we chose this
particular ground that we're on to give you the presentation of what we now know as the
Roots Picnic, the 19th annual Roots Picnic. This place has history for Philadelphia. What
Sedgoy Avenue means for hip hop in the Bronx, I will say that for Philadelphia, this particular
ground that we're on is a seminal destination for just a lot of the hip hop that raised us. And I cannot
imagine another figure that should be on everyone's Mount Rushmore.
In terms of turntableness, creativity, pushing the envelope forward, things that you take for granted
that you didn't know about, our guest today has pioneered.
And as I've said on the show for 10 years, oftentimes the pioneers never get the flowers.
They never get the credit.
It's usually the person that comes second or third that will look at the blueprint and say, oh, this is what I would do, and then they get the glory.
But this is one of those moments in which we can elevate and correct hip hop history.
This gentleman, if you ask any turntable is worth their grand assault, who is the DJ that inspired them?
I assure you, if that DJ is worth their name.
and a grain of salt in terms of turntableism,
our guest today will be mentioned in that list.
And his name is the one and only DJ Cash Money.
Now I'm giving you a warning.
All right, welcome to the show.
Thank you, brother, man.
I'm going to do a proper DJ Cash Money episode
only because just next to Bismarkey,
I don't know another person that has out-nerded me on collecting.
like on pop culture alone,
we can go alone,
but on history, we can go alone.
I want to do a very,
and the reason why I said this is for me
is because I've been dying to get
someone else's perspective
from Philadelphia
to give me the history
that I've been dying to know.
I grew up on these tapes listening
and now get a chance to tell you.
First of all, one, welcome to the show.
Sorry for that long.
It's all good, your flowers are way overdue.
I want to know
What does the plat
mean to you
In terms of
Your art form and the history
That is Philadelphia
And turntableism
This is where I started
I mean we were out here
And I haven't been out here in years
But we came out here on the Saturdays and Sundays
It wasn't about money
You know
A big shout out to all the
Guys that brought their equipment out for us
to spin on.
Okay, take me from soup to nuts.
Yeah.
Let's make this May 30th,
1987.
Okay.
86, 87.
Right.
What constitutes a I'm going to DJ at the plat?
Well, first of all,
why was the plat be chosen spot?
I don't know.
I just know there was a meeting place when I was young.
It was all about trying to find some girls.
Okay.
You know, that's what was the force for being out there.
Yeah, everything starts with trying to find girls.
Yeah.
Right.
So there was somebody that set up their speakers and stuff and had turntables,
and then they just allowed us to jump on.
So there was no city noise ordinance or like, no.
Well, where would you get outlets to even set things up?
Generators.
They had generators.
Okay.
Yeah, like disco rat, but it had an ice cream truck.
Yeah, and he had the speakers in there.
If you can briefly give me, because the thing is, every time I'm, I'm, I'm,
online or whatever. I'm trying to tell people how pioneering Philadelphia is to turntableism culture.
Right. And those that know, all the DNC champions have said, look, you have been an inspiration.
If not you, Jeff or whatever. Tell me what it is. Like for me, my Mount Rushmore, you, Jeff,
I would put Cosmic Heaven there. Like, for you, can you school me on like how to turntable culture,
hit Philly first in a way
that it hasn't hit other markets?
I think, you know, I got to go back.
Yes, go back.
Okay. Grandmaster Nell.
Yes.
Cosmic Kev.
Okay.
Where the Kings of Philly.
Like, we used to go to their parties
at the Hotel Philadelphia.
And I got to say this about Nell.
Nell was like Cyrus from the Warriors.
Okay.
Wherever Nell went, South Philly was right there
with, like, supporting them.
What year is this?
81.
Okay.
About 80.
Okay.
Because I was still in high school.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
So he had Hotel Philadelphia jam packed.
Where's Hotel Philadelphia?
It was on Broad Street.
Okay.
Yeah, it was a big, big building.
So we started downtown, okay.
Yeah, man.
So he had that.
In a ballroom?
It was a big ballroom.
Okay.
He didn't have no record.
He didn't have no recorded material.
He just had a name and the respect that he had.
from everybody from South Philly.
It was like a mob that were following, man.
So this is 81, though,
which kind of means that maybe there's 30, 40 hip-hop records or whatever.
Like, what's being played that could sustain an entire night of dancing and fun?
Do you want to go party by Casey and the Sunshine Band?
Okay.
Ring my bell.
So still disco?
Disco, yes.
Okay.
Then you had those, you know, of course, Sugar Hill Gang.
Right.
you know, that type of stuff.
But, man, it was, he was cutting up disco breaks.
Okay.
Yeah.
Kind of what, like, glued to get down and.
Yes, all that stuff.
Breaks, let's dance to the drummer's beat.
But he was doing it, like, of course,
flash and what they were doing up New York was,
was our inspiration.
But what Nell was doing,
he was getting more technical with it.
Okay.
And Kev was extremely technical with it.
Like, Kev had this scratch.
We always called it a pat scratch.
Like, if he took a, it's time.
He goes, it, it, it, it, it, it's time.
Like, I never heard anybody do that at that time.
Really?
Yes.
Plus, we didn't have the equipment that, you know, the bells and whistles they have today.
You're dealing with maybe a big mixer.
How hard were the mixers to, what mixers were you guys using back then?
Definitely Gemini's, but they were the real big Geminiis.
They probably had the echo on there.
Yeah, I can't remember what, I have those mixes as well.
Gemini mixers, definitely techniques.
1,200s.
Okay, so what year would a mixer that you're accustomed to?
I know, like, in the early stages of hip-hop,
you guys were using anything just to, you know, knobs or whatever.
Right.
But for you, what was the year in which, like, technology is finally catching up in terms of,
like, this is a, the Gemini, like, when did the standard Gemini mixer?
For me, personally, it was all I could afford.
Right.
It was able to provide like about $75.
Radio Shack?
No, I never had a radio Shack mixer.
Okay.
Never mind.
Never had a radio shack mixer.
It was definitely...
Then I'm acquiring at a radio shack like where would you get a Gemini mixer?
Sound of a market.
Okay.
Yeah.
Electronics.
Yeah, Funko Mart definitely.
Right.
Got you.
So we would buy this mixer.
It was all I could afford.
And I treated it the best I could.
I mean, I put, you know, WD-40 in there to try to,
to loosen up the faders and stuff,
and then come to find out,
I was wondering why I was getting oil marks on my shirt.
Okay.
Because the oil just stayed at the bottom of it.
And then my cousin told me I need to use non-residue spray,
tuning spray, which would dry up.
Would that damage the inside of the, like, putting that much?
Yes.
Okay.
It's too much oil.
Okay.
Okay.
But when I started using the radio shat, tuning spray, non-residue,
because it would dry up.
I never had that problem
because it would dry up
but it would keep the fatal lubricated.
So yeah.
So what happened was
I started listening to
the Latin rascals.
Yes.
Yes.
All their edits, yes.
I was trying to do those sounds
with my hands.
I too thought that
I would hear like one more shot
or the Beastie Groove
or like any of the Latin rascals
edits thinking that they were scratching
that shit and not.
No, they were doing spicy.
They're doing, okay, okay.
I was trying to do that with my hand.
That's why I came up with the drag scratch.
Okay.
That's where the concept came from.
Okay.
So for me, it was about party rocking,
but it was also about me making these sounds.
What was your practice regimen, like in terms of how often would you scratch or practice, like,
every day?
Every day.
Okay, so the first time I heard you spin.
This is on Power 99.
Okay.
And you're cutting up LL's Get Down.
And you spent three minutes on call me a sucker boy, you're pushing a broom.
Okay.
And you turn that into call me a sucker, sucker, sucker boy, sucker boy, call me a sucker, sucker boy.
Right, right, right.
And this is the last time I got in trouble with my dad.
Okay.
Because I heard that.
Uh-huh.
And as with everything, you're like, let me try that shit.
And, you know, first of all, how do you find adults that don't scold you in terms of don't destroy my records or what are you doing to my equipment?
Like, how do you get them to put their weapons down in terms of seeing what you're doing is an art form?
Well, it came to a point where I had to start buying my own records at that time.
See, I went from playing records for my dad's, my mom and dad's house parties so I could stay up.
up late and I started becoming good being a selector.
Yeah.
So that, you know, I kept the dance for playing.
But see, back then we weren't mixing.
It was changed as soon as the record was finished,
take it off and put a new one on.
Okay.
Something different.
So I was more of a selector.
It wasn't until I heard tapes of Grand Master Flash
that changed my life forever.
Got you.
And then I started finding those brakes that he was using.
This is before the...
Compilations and bricks, yes.
Yeah.
So, okay, with Nell and Kevin, is this the astrofunk period?
Like, what crew were they in?
Kev was with Grandmasters of Funk.
Grandmasters of Funk.
Sorry.
Yeah.
So would you say that they're probably the definitive beginning of what we know is
hip-hop culture?
Absolutely.
Okay.
So the most controversial question, I'm going to ask you,
where is the genesis of the Transformer Scratch or, like, what we now know as turntableism?
Right.
There's a point where he says, jig it, jig it, jigig, jig, jig, jig,
release.
Right.
And then there's rhythm.
Digit, jig it, jig it.
But then there's this period in 86 where suddenly I'm hearing these tapes.
Mm-hmm.
Are you guys comparing notes?
Are you seeing each other?
Well, we all get inspiration from something that we've seen.
Yes.
And, I mean, that's just the way life is.
You get inspiration.
You get inspiration.
But if you can't add to it and take it to another direction,
then you shouldn't do it.
That's where I come from.
Right.
When I saw, I saw, my cousin gave me this videotape of a spin bat from Philadelphia.
And it was a new technique he was doing.
He was using the up and down fader.
I think he had a, it's time.
It's time.
So you can do it up and down instead of the side to side thing?
Yeah, that's what he was doing.
Yes.
Yeah.
So he was like, it's time.
It's time.
It was real basic.
But it was at that time, it was something amazing.
It was a new technique.
I took that and added all that drag, scratch, and rhythm and extending it and giving it a whole new funk,
where it sounded like the actual cartoon.
Like, I don't know what he was calling, whatever he was doing, but it was not a transformer scratch.
Right.
I coined, well, my MC coined that name.
1984 at Central High School, I would never forget that day.
Jeff was there
me and my
MC had
I'm gonna get to this point
We had a double date
We got there late
So Jeff had already performed
So they were about to close the place up
So they were to hurry up and get on
I got on on Jeff's stuff
And I did this transformer thing
It blew everybody's mind at night
Like I think I did it on a dance to the drummers beat
where it has the symbol part.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I had it going
extending it.
And my MC ended up calling it
a transformer scratch that night.
From that point on,
everybody started doing this new scratch.
But even before that quest,
before that scratch,
I was cutting up its time
with jive rhythm tracks.
And they used to call the scratch,
the big of a scratch.
I used to be bigger, big a, bigger,
but bigger, big a bigger,
but bigger, but bigger, big a bigger,
Bigger, but big up, big up, big up, big up, big up,
er, it's time.
That was the scratching that I created.
Before that transformer.
Got you.
So then I started doing things like going back to back.
It, it, time, time, putting the fader in the middle.
It did it, it, it's time.
Like, I was really about creating sound.
Okay, so for each thing that you innovated,
how many hours would you reckon that
I said you reckon like I'm back in the
Tom Sawyer's Day
Jerome you reckon how
but how your assessment
how many hours would you put like
how does it come to fruition? Like is it
some of you practice the rhythm in your head
that you want to do and then
Yes because I'm a dancer
we had this dance called stepping
Right
That it's not to step in
from Chicago and it's not a fraternity step.
We used to watch the Nicholas brothers, Fred Astaire,
and we used to have this thing that you would see us
at block parties dancing.
So that's where my rhythm comes from.
Like a lot of my friends call me the human metronome
because I'm thinking in my head, keep it on beat, everything.
Like for me, I like to get in between sounds
like if a person, like how you drum.
Right.
It's that space.
That's where the funk is at.
You have to find it.
I mess with high hats and things with that and air.
And that gives me these crazy sounds.
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Okay, I hope you can give me this answer.
As a West Philadelphia, I lived in 52nd Street.
Okay.
And I would take the train to school.
And I get to 46th Street.
go into the L, and I would see this piece right before I go in the tunnel of a rabbit, smoking a
J, and Eistro.
And I had no idea who or what an Eistro was.
So, you know, as I got older, I assumed and thought he was just a graffiti legend, and that's it.
And people were like, no, dude, like, Eistro was the Neptunes and the roots.
and every DJ and Philly
wrapped in one.
He was our Mantronics.
Okay, he was,
okay, so my manager, Sean G.
Actually said he was Mantronix before Manitronics.
Yep.
Can you please, just for history's sake,
explain to me,
have you seen Eastero rock live or whatever?
Like, what would he do?
Like, what, because I hear these tapes now,
and it sounds like.
Eastro, my MC, I had two MCs.
Yes.
Marvelous and Cool.
Steve.
Okay.
Coolberry Steve was rocking with Eistro.
Okay.
So that's how we became, I knew about Eistro, but that's how we became really, really cool.
He used to live at this fraternity house around Drexel.
Okay.
And he had the room all the way in the back.
And I never forget, I went there to his house and he had all these old, like, um.
This is Eestro?
Yes.
He went to Drexel?
I don't know if he was, weren't to Drexel.
He just lived there.
He lived in the back at the fraternity house.
So we went back.
there he had a guitar case and had all these little drum machines these rolling 303 I think it is yeah he had all
these things he had them all sequenced and everything we actually did a record we were trying to do a record
I'm I'm going to let you hear that so he recorded something they was on a four track or something
but you know we didn't have that much so when he would do these parties he would come with his
with a suitcase and is it a drum machine and it's a no it's a bunch of drum machines
You ever see those little rolling 303s?
And they're like silver or whatever?
Yeah, he had all of them in this case.
And he would have them all sequenced.
One was a bass.
It just had a bass sound on it, a bass tone.
The other one was just a drum.
He had all these different sounds.
And he would set this suitcase up and just go to work.
Okay.
So what venue structure could even host him?
You know, like it's one thing just to give.
your turntables and a mixer inside of an amp
to play for the people
but it's like
and again
are you saying that Philadelphia audiences
were just as receptive
like I'm assuming that party rocking
as in just play the record as I know it
don't do no fancy shit
right like nowadays like turntable lists
are something that we view
as opposed to dance to
right so when he rocks a party
he's just making shit up on the spot
Yeah, and he got the MC rhyming.
So he's literally the roots, the Neptunes,
Mantronics.
He's all of that.
Listen, he'll go and he'll replay a breakbeat.
Like, say Daisy Lady.
Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do.
But he'll have it with that bass tone and the MCs will be like.
It was incredible.
Like Perry P.
Yeah.
Would be rhyming on some of his stuff.
Man, I...
And then it was...
I'm gonna tell you, the real bugged-out thing about it.
I didn't know he was the graffiti artist Eistro.
You didn't know that?
See, I knew him only as the graffiti artist Eistro.
I knew Eistro, but I never saw his face.
So until that day, I actually went on a night with him, man.
He scared the hell out of me.
You went on a mission with him?
Yes.
What was that like?
I'd never do it again.
He jumped from the train on this roof.
You mean the 46th Street entrance?
When you leave 46th Street and he's about to go underground, he has a tag there.
And I don't know how he's able to do this immaculent tag.
He jumped from on something from a train.
I was supposed to follow him.
I was like, the hell with that, man.
Yep.
The hell with that.
I wouldn't be here today talking.
Oh, my God.
Yo, this dude was incredible, man.
Like, and, but his, I gotta let you hear this, this tape, man.
Yes, I recently, there's the brother that recently put,
um, a grand was as a funk, uh, block party, like, on YouTube.
Right.
And this is the first time that I'm hearing like a young Cosmic Hev.
I didn't know he was that fast with scratching or whatever.
Like, it's a history that I'm obsessed with.
Now, I also know that you, more than anything, more than just,
just being the godfather of turntableism as far as like different techniques and whatnot.
Right.
But you are also a historian.
Yes.
Can you give me your top five capture moment?
Like when did you start like capturing, like how deep does your history go in terms of capturing various shows or black parties or whatever that you've done?
I know you've been a tech head for the longest.
As far as capturing my cousin, who was the extremely big-time techie guy.
Okay.
He always had equipment that I didn't know about.
Do you have any of those shows from like the 52nd Street, Why?
Yeah, I even got the flyers from it.
Oh, God, man.
West, man, I'm telling you, bro, is me.
Yeah.
Listen, I keep everything I've ever done.
I'm so glad that I've done it because now it's part of it.
of my story and I can show you.
Right.
You know?
What are the five most valuable things that you own that is like...
I've been collecting eight tracks, man, for the longest time.
Look, I got the Skull Snaps album on eight tracks.
Really?
You know what?
You are maybe the fourth most valuable 12-inch I ever purchased.
Someone sold me.
I finally found a pump-me-up.
Okay, wait.
Yeah.
See, this is the thing.
I want to get in your history, but I want to give you your own show.
I'm not going to ask that.
Right.
Okay.
Allow me to ask one question because I'm not going to ask about D&C or anything,
making meas or whatever.
Okay.
Okay.
This was a mini episode.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So one of the earliest records that I missed out on that I should have gotten that later,
one of the first 12 inches that I had to pay, yeah, I think, yeah, I had to pay 700 plus for this.
And it was in Japan of all places.
Okay.
is you cutting up
Trouble Funks pump me up
for a good 10 minutes or so
Yeah
Just you cutting up
Give me from soup to nuts the whole story of how that happened
There was a guy named Kid Fresh
You might know him is Mike Elliott
Yes
Right
He wanted me to do some scratches on a record
Okay
We were at Virtue Studio
Which was in North Philly
Okay
Right
Well this guy comes in the studio
Says hey
Could you do a
for me we have these bunch of these records I was like sure I mean paid me like
five hundred dollars or something right which was big money for me at that time
it was all one take one take and you just cutting up pump me up for two minutes
it's hilarious this story is so crazy quest the guy's name is Max kid okay and I'm
real cool with Big Tony from Troublefunk yes right that was Troublefunk's manager he was
bootlegging his own group
Wait, what?
If you look at that, it says DJ Cash Money and Dr. Fonkenstein.
Yes.
Dr. Fonkestine is a fictitious name.
So what happened was I had somebody who found out that the record was selling,
so I tried to get in contact with the record company,
and they said, you know what, we're going to take your name off of it.
So they just left Dr. Fonkine.
So that's why the press came out without my name on it.
Yeah.
The first 10 seconds of Fight the Power,
When we hear bump to bump to bump, that is from that record.
That's from that record.
Wow.
And I know you have like $42 trillion more of those.
Yeah.
So every time you heard comedy death jam, come on TV, that's what I heard.
Really?
So everybody thought it was Terminator X, but no, it was me.
I got it now.
I got it.
But that story about Trouble Funk is crazy because he was bootlegging his own group.
And Big Tony and him didn't even know.
Dude, when I heard that, my mind was.
I'm so glad that you were able to celebrate this with us here.
Yes, thank you for having you.
Like we always wanted to bring the picnic to the plat proper.
Right.
The previous 13 years, yo, man, finally we got that moment to happen.
And, you know, to have you here to do this, man, is our dream.
Hey, man, I thank you guys, man.
Fantastic job.
And again, this is just the beginning.
If you don't know this brother is, follow him on social media.
Search him on YouTube.
There's so many, like, there's so much history here.
I know, like, every DJ worth the grand assault of their name knows who you are, man.
And I'm glad you're getting this moment, brother.
Thank you so much.
All right.
We'll see you on the next girl around.
DJ Cash Money.
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