The Questlove Show - Historical Records: Josh Gibson (feat. Fergie L. Philippe and Bob Kendrick)

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Nimene learns about Josh Gibson, the greatest power hitter baseball has ever seen and Broadway star Fergie L. Philippe breaks it down in a brand new hip-hop track. Featuring an interview between Bob Kendrick, President of the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum and a 10 year old baseball enthusiast named Payton.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.

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family can listen to and enjoy together. So in this episode, hosts Nemone, learns about Josh Gibson, the greatest power hitter baseball has ever seen. And Broadway star Fergie L. Philippe breaks it down in a brand-new hip-hop track featuring an interview between Bob Kendrick, President of the Negro League's Baseball Museum, and a 10-year-old baseball enthusiast named Peyton. Get your kids, sit back, and enjoy historical records, the show that proves that in order to make history, you have to make some noise.

Hey, listeners, Nimini here, outside my secret underground layer, looking for a time capsule that I buried over 10 years ago. It has all kinds of special items for my childhood that I cannot wait to tell you. you about. Tina! Did you find it yet? How's it going? Oh, I agree. The ground is way too hard for these shovels. You have a jackhammer? Tina, you buried the lead. Let's get that thing up and run it. This is great. We're going to find my time capsule in no time. This way, Tina! No, no now! Here, let me try.

I appreciate the warning, but I'll be fine. You might be a little too small to run this jackhammer properly. I'll just hop on and then... Why am I going this way? Well, that jackhammer clearly didn't work right. And we still haven't found my time capsule. What? Tina!

You have a bobcat dick. Why were we using shovels in a jackhammer? We're going to find this thing at no time. Historic. History, you got to have struggle. To make history, you got to show. Boys cannot be quiet, loud as a riot to make history, gotta make some noise. Incredible. Dig right here, Tina. I know I've said this before, but I'm said of this as the spot.

Time capsule at I. Fair point, Tina, you did play a critical role. Now, listeners, you may be wondering, what does Nimini have in this time capsule that is so important that it's delaying the start of this episode, an episode in which we are going to learn about the great baseball legend. Josh Gibson. Excellent question, listeners. To answer it, let's first drag my time capsule out of this whole. Among the many things I am excited to show you, first up is a red cape that I wore pretty much every day for nearly two years when I was a kid.

And opening the lock with the key I always keep around my neck. You see, I wanted to be a superhero, so my red cape was critical. Every good superhero needs a good red cape. Opening the latch. Wait, what? It's green. My superhero cape is green. How is that possible?

I was certain it was red. I agree, Tina. That is so strange. Surely the next thing in my time capsule will match my memory. After all, I have a fantastic memory. You know, now that I see it, the green looks fantastic. This cape is even cooler than I realized. What is it, Tina?

What is it, Tina? Right. Of course. We probably should get started. with the episode. Listeners! We'll get back to going through my time capsule a little later. There's a lot in here you're going to want to see.

But right now, we've got to dive into today's historical figure, Josh Gibson. And in order to do that, we have to find our historian friend, Gabe. It would be the biggest construction vehicle I have ever seen. It's a giant excavator. Who is driving that thing? Incoming. Watch out, everybody. Wait, is that Gabe?

Gay! Is that you? Hey, Nimini. I can barely see you up there. Come on up. You can use the ladder. Oh, wow. Yep.

Okay, here I come. We are really high up. Hey, Gabe, there you are. What are you doing with this huge thing? I heard he needed some help digging, so I brought my personal digging machine to help. I actually found what I was looking for. And did you say that this commercial machine

typically used to dig out massive mines is yours? That is correct. You see, being a historian, And getting the history right often takes a little digging, sometimes literally. That makes a lot of sense. Speaking of digging, should we dig into the life of the great Josh Gibson? Okay, but Gabe, before we go back in time, can I be honest? Please, I actually prefer that you be honest.

Respectfully, I really don't like that the history simulator looks and feels and sounds like a gooey alien pod. It's very uncomfortable to be in. I couldn't agree more, which is why I built my own. History Simulator. You did? No way. Where is it? We're sitting in it. Welcome to the History Excavator 1920. You said History Excavator 1920? Why 1920? Oh, that's just where we're headed today. Hold on, Nimini. Roaring 20s, here we come. So, Gabe, this is about 100 years ago, right? Nearly to the day. And it was a time of incredible change in the United States. Hey, look at those Cool ladies with short bob haircuts and just below the knee-length dresses.

Ah, yes. Those ladies were known as flappers. At the time, these dresses were considered by many to be scandalous for being too short. Too short? That looked like formal dresses to me. I guess we really have come a long way. Or a short way? I don't know. Check out that guy wailing on the saxophone. Pretty amazing, right? In the 1920s, there was an exceptional. explosion of music exploration, including the birth of jazz. Oh, and look at that group of men with those ridiculous pinstripe suits.

They look hilarious. Namini, be careful. Those men are very serious. In fact, they might be gangsters. Gabe, you really shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Just because those guys look like cartoon mobsters doesn't mean they are. I bet they have a great sense of humor, too. Watch this.

Hey, sir, your suit is hysterical. You look like a bit of a bit. doing an impression of a zebra. Hey, you think I'm funny? You think my suit is a joke? You think I'm a zebra business clown sent from the zoo to make you laugh? No, no, no, none of that. It's a very fetching outfit and we have to go.

Gabe, hit it. Here we go. Down to the south. That was close, Gabe. Sorry for not trusting your instincts about who is and who is in a gangster. Anyway, thanks for getting us out of there. Speaking of getting out of there, Gabe, all I see are black families packing their things and getting out of town. It was known as the great migration.

Lots of black folks were moving from the rural south to cities in the north, with the promise of safer communities, better jobs, more pay, and a brighter future. And once they got to the north, where would they work? Let's head to the north. Here we are in the north. Often black folks would work in steel factories like that one. cities like this one, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Look over there, Gabe, a department store.

Can we go in? I want to buy one of those flapper dresses. It's not just any department store. It's Gimbles, which is where Josh Gibson worked. Cool. Let's head through the revolving doors and check it out. Oh, my. There are a headspending amount of flapper dress options. Too many options, actually. And suddenly, I have no interest in shopping. Hey, did you say Josh Gibson works here?

I thought he was a baseball player. He was. But when his family first moved to the north, he wanted to be an electrician. I know it sounds weird, but electricity was still considered a fairly new technology. So it was a great trade to get into. And he started as an elevator operator at Gimbles. Gabe, sorry to interrupt, but who's that teenager over by the old-timey elevator? That's actually Josh Gibson.

He takes people up and down to different floors in the store. Oh, of course. Elevator operator. Got it. But how does he transition from this to baseball? Well, this department store doesn't just have an irresponsible amount of flapper dress options. They also have an amateur baseball team. They do?

Yeah, they do. And it's called the Gimble AC. And that's how Josh Gibson started playing baseball. He was only 16, though. That's true. But he took to the sport like a fish to water. Josh knew how to keep his eye on the ball and slam crows. crack, knock it out of the park.

He was a home run king, and in no time at all, other local teams were eyeing this young prospect. So did he quit his job to play baseball? Not yet. He kept his job at the department store while playing baseball? He had to keep that job to make ends meet. You see, at the time, there was a different league for black players. It was known as the Negro League, and Josh played for a less official Negro League team, kind of like the minor leagues today.

Hmm, and did he eventually go pro? You bet. His name and his fame grew, and he eventually was able to go professional. But it was almost by accident. That sounds like an interesting story. It is. Hold tight. We're headed to the game where it all happened.

Um, baseball game. I don't see Josh Gibson anywhere on the field. That's because he was in the stands. The stands? So he wasn't playing? Yeah. It's 1930. and Josh is still playing in the less official leagues,

but he was at this Major League game as a fan. I see him up there in the stands. Josh and everyone else at this stadium was watching the Homestead Grays, the best Pittsburgh team in the Negro League. Gabe, there are some seats open right behind Josh. Let's watch the game from there. Perfect.

Hey, where'd you get all that food? At this concession stand, Gabe, where else? Don't worry. I got you a hot dog, some peanuts, some nachos, a cotton keats. candy and a large drink. Oh, thank you. Here are our seats. This is a lot of food.

Gabe, the batter is up, and I can barely hear the announcer over your chomping. And here comes the pitch, swing, and a miss. But, uh-oh, something's wrong with Buck Ewing, the catch-up for the grades. He seems to have caught the pitch in the wrong way and injured his hand. And I'm pretty sure he's about to start screaming. Ouch! My hand! I'm hurt, and I can no longer play baseball today. Ouch!

Buck Ewing said it clear as day. He is done playing baseball for the day. And possibly tomorrow and the next day. And probably the day after that, if I'm being honest. The way he said out, who knows would Buck will play next? Mmm, Nimney. This cotton candy is amazing. Gabe, please, I'm trying to watch the game, and Buck Ewing is out. Making things even worse, the Grays have no backup catcher. What are they going to do? No backup catcher? You can't play baseball without a catcher. Everyone knows that... Wait.

The coach for the Grays is walking toward us. That's because there's an 18-year-old sitting in the stands right in front of us that has the reputation of being one of the best hitters in Pittsburgh. Josh Gibson! That's right. The coach is asking him to play. And Josh is saying yes. I actually can't believe when I'm seen.

The Grays seem to have plucked some kid out of the stands and now he's going to play catcher. Can this kid even play? Gabe, I can't believe this is how to be. Now Josh Gibson got his big break. Fortune favors the prepared, Nimny. Oh, of course it does. Why do you think I bought so many snacks? So, did he play well in the game?

Josh had such an incredible game that afterwards, the Grays took him on as a full-time member of the team. Josh Gibson is up to bat. And he traveled the country playing baseball. And here's the bitch. He connects, going. Career. What were Josh's career stats like?

Well, unfortunately, Josh played. in a time when black athletes didn't have all of their games recorded, like the professional white teams of the day. What? So they don't know. They have a decent idea. It's believed that he hit over 800 home runs. And 224 of those were against the top Negro League teams.

That's incredible. Truly. But so much of Josh Gibson's story is tall tales and legends. You remember that ball that he smashed in Cleveland? Yeah. Well, some say it landed in Cincinnati the next day. Wow. And when history is a little hazy, some of the stories burn brighter than others.

Like the legend of what happened in Yankee Stadium. What happened in Yankee Stadium? Let's go watch. Welcome to 1934 left field Yankee Stadium. Oh, look. Josh is up at the plate. Then we're right on time. Here comes the pitch. And Josh takes a big cut.

Oh, he goes. Got a hold of that one. He's the wreck next to the left field bullpen. It's a ho. His gracious to great Josh Gibson has done it now. He is responsible for the only fair. Nimney, I had no idea you were such a fantastic baseball announcer. I'm a fast learner.

I'll say. You know, Gabe, it's awesome that there are all these amazing stories about Josh Gibson. But it's frustrating that his stats weren't tracked the same way white player's stats were. It's frustrating, all right. But even without stats, he's. lives on forever in baseball history. That's how good he was. That's a neat way to think about it.

Some people call Josh Gibson the Black Babe Ruth. Others call Babe Ruth the white Josh Gibson. I love that. He ended his career as the second highest paid player in the Negro League and was eventually inducted into the baseball Hall of Fame. Not bad.

And I suppose today we are making a historical record of Josh. So, 100 years later, he is still being honored. His song won't include tons of statistics, obviously, but it will be an earth-shattering hip-hop tune that will never leave your head. Shall we head back then? Yes, please. Thanks, Gabe. I got to run.

Good luck, Nimini. Swing for the fences. I always do. Okay, listeners, and we're back. And I am walking to the studio like Josh walked from the dugout to the play. Excited, confident, and ready to make history. Oh, that was quick. Here we are at the studio. Oh, hey Tina. Are the musicians ready?

Great. Time to turn this piece of history into music. Featuring the incredible actor, rapper, and singer Fergie L. Philippe. Here's the pitch to Josh Gibson, and that one's rocking it off the bat. It's a long fly ball to deep left field. Someone's going, going, go! Smash slam, another one gone. Bash, bam, another one gone.

A crack of the bat and another one gone. the tip of the cap because another one gone. Weight 220, standing six foot one. Got a date at the plate for a big home run. Bob pops off the stick like the shot of a gun. It's the man, it's the legend, it is Josh Gibson. He's so dynamic, his hits, Titanic, his swings like magic. See him coming from the dugout of the team might panic.

The crowd is ecstatic. The end is so tragic. First we go back to where it all began. Born to Georgia in the 20s, the great migration. Took his family north into Pittsburgh, Penn, where Josh trained to be an electrician. And that's where he might have stayed Fixing electronics all his days But he got a job at a place with a squad

And Josh took the field The people were odd Want to share croppers But now he's snap pop-ups He operated elevators Now he studied hitting haters There could be no imitators Because a man's an innovator

And nobody greater He's the baseball terminator Smash slam Another one gone Bash bam Another one gone The crack of the bat And another one gone

A tip of the cap Because another one gone Another one gone Another one gone Hep, another one gone 17 years he had 800 home runs 360 average lifetime That ain't hoom can and arm pick you off the base path

For a fun in the Negro League But the same league with no one Black Babe Ruth was off the description But many claimed the babe was the white Josh Gibson So if you have some wisdom You see he's in position to make the majors But it's pigments skin His race, bigots believe it dictates

Their sale up tickets they want him to stay in his place Gibson handles the mistakes with grace Always maintaining the smile upon his face Keep setting records, keeps getting Getting hits falls into love has a few kids plays around the world from sea to sea still they never let the man in the MLB Smash slam a rack of a bat and another one gone a tip of the cat cause another one gone Josh Gibson was 32 he started getting head aches got some x-rays then some bad news the next day kept playing for his hometown team the homestead grays but four years later Josh Gibson sadly passed away But his game still elicits its awe in the monograiser's name.

Top 20 player from back then to this year, even though another one's gone. He's still here. On a tip of the cat, because another one's gone. Another one gone. After a few words for the grownups. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying.

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Listeners, follow me to the giant hole in my backyard. Here we are. Tina, do me a favor and dive into my time capsule and grab the third. that looks like an old recording? Listeners, the last thing I wanted to show you is a recording of a speech I gave at my high school graduation. Now, I'm pretty sure the speech was about history, but given that I thought my superhero cape was green,

maybe I'm way off. Taylor, fantastic! Tina, let's play a little bit of it and see what 18-year-old me has to say. I imagine I speak for all of us today when I say that these last four years have been a blur. Lots of late nights, lots of early mornings, and plenty of looking for my glasses only to find that they were on my head the whole time.

The truth is, so much happened so quickly, it is sometimes hard to parse through our memories of what happened and what actually happened. As the poet Anne Michael says it, quote, history and memory share events, that is, they share time and space. Every moment is two moments. end quote. Well, I dare say that in these four years of high school, we created memories and history, and now we carry them both proudly as we head off into the world.

I remembered saying any of that. Thank you, Tina. I guess it was a pretty good speech. Honestly, there was a lot more to it than I remembered. A lot like Josh Gibson's story when I think about it, he was probably a better baseball player than we even realize. Maybe there's always more to the story than we can remember or even write down. Well, I could think about that for a long time. Yes, Tina. What is it? Ah, the interview!

I'm late as usual. Okay, listeners, let's race to the room inside my secret underground bunker where I take all my most important video calls. Boot up the computer, the internet, and here we go. Hi, Bob and Peyton. Can you introduce yourselves? Hi, my name is Bob Kendrick. I'm president of the Negro Licks Baseball Museum in Kansas City, Missouri, the world's only museum dedicated to preserving and celebrating the rich history of African American baseball and its profound impact on the social advancement of America.

Hi, I'm Peyton and I'm 10 years old. I just love baseball all year around. Peyton, what were you hoping to ask Bob about Josh Gibson? So, Mr. Kendrick, I'm wondering, why did it take so? long for the Negro League players to get recognized as some of the greatest players of all time. That is a great question. They toiled, I like to say, in anonymity for so long. And I said that because there were a lot of people who saw them play. They just happened to be black.

Later on, as we get into the 40s before Jackie Robinson breaks the color bear, there were a lot of white fans who saw them play too. But there are a lot of people who still hold to the belief that if it didn't happen, in the major leagues, then it must not have happened. And so we've been working so hard over the last 30 years to make sure that people know who these ballplayed were and how good they were and what they contributed to the game, but just as important what they contributed to this country. Is it true, Josh Gibson hit 800 home runs in the Negro Leagues? Honestly, Peyton, he probably hit more than that.

And again, this was against all levels of competition, including the major leagues. I personally believe that Josh Gibson was the greatest hitter this game has ever seen. I would like to see more minorities play baseball because I'm kind of one of the only African-American black kids on my team. We understand that there are just not a lot of black kids playing our game anymore. And the interesting thing about that patent is baseball used to. to be our sport, which is why we had a Negro Leagues. You had a league that was filled with black players, and of course some brown players because you had Hispanic.

But after baseball integrates, and now Jackie Robinson and other black and brown stars leave the Negro Leagues to go into Major League Baseball, that is what ultimately put the Negro Leagues out of this. And then over time, there became kind of this separation, so to speak, from the African-American community and the game of baseball. It became very expensive to play our sport. All the equipment is expensive.

The league fees are expensive. Now you'll be playing all these travel teams and all of this kind of stuff where a lot of kids, particularly those kids who are in the urban court, they can't afford to play anymore. And so we are working hard with Major League Baseball to do everything we can to make sure that urban kids understand their place in this game. And so when you walk through the Negro League Baseball Museum, what did you see? You see people who look just like you who played this game and they played it as well as anyone ever played this game. It's important that you see yourself in this game. Thank you, Mr. Kendrick, for sharing all of the.

those great stories with me. Peyton, it was my pleasure, and I've enjoyed hanging out with you today. Wow, thank you both for this great conversation. Thanks for joining in today and witnessing the greatness of Josh Gibson with me. Thanks so much to today's guests, Bob Kendrick, Fergie Philippe, and Payton. Remember parents and teachers, you can download a free activity related to today's episode by visiting storypirates.com slash historical records. We'll be back next week with another episode, another song, and another hero.

But for now, there are a few huge holes in the backyard of my top secret bunker that I need to go fill in. Until next time, remember to make history, you gotta make some noise. Bye! Historical Records is produced in partnership with Story Pirate Studios, Questlove's 215 entertainment, John Glickman, and IHeart Podcasts. Executive produced by Amir Questlove Thompson, John Glickman, Lee Overtree, and Benjamin Salga. Executive produced for IHeart Podcasts by Noel Brown. Producers for Story Pirate Studios are Isabella Riccio,

Sam Bear, Eric Gerson, Andrew Miller, Lee Overtree, Peter McNerney, and Nimney Ware. Producers for 215 are John G., Brittany Benjamin, and Sarah Zulman. Hosted by Nimney Ware. Our head writer is Duke Doyle. Our historians are... are Gabe Pacheco and Lee Polis. Music supervision for 215 by Stroh Elliott. Scoring and music supervision for Story Pirate Studios by Eric Erson.

Sound design and mixing by Sam Bear at the Relic Room in New York City. Song mastering by Josh Hahn. Theme song by Dan Foster and Eric Erson and produced by Eric Erson. Production coordination by Isabel O'Ricchio. Production management by Maggie Lee. The line producer for Story Pirate Studios is Glynis Bralt. PR for Story Pirate Studios is provided by Naomi Shaw. Episode artwork by Camilla Franklin.

This episode was written by Duke Doyle. The song Josh Gibson was written by Dan Foster and produced by Eric Gerson, vocal direction by Jack Mitchell. Special guests, Fergie L. Philippe, Bob Kendrick, and Kid Interviewer Payton. This episode features performances by Nick Canales, Peter McNerney, Lee Overtree, and Gabe Pacheco. Special thanks to Alex Vestrian. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement

to my brand new podcast, The Cliford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Cliford show on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest.

The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make,

to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins. But the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax.

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