The Questlove Show - Historical Records: Mary Golda Ross (feat. Crystle Lightning and Kristina Halona)

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Nimene heads to outer space to make a brand new hip-hop track about Mary Golda Ross, the very first Native American female aerospace engineer. Featuring an interview between aerospace engineer Kristina Halona, a proud member of the Navajo Nation, and Vivian, an Odawa and Haudenosaunee 8 year old from Ohio.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My new podcast with The Story Pirates is an explosive fusion of hip-hop and history, tailor-made for music-loving kids and families. A podcast the entire family can listen to and enjoy together. In today's episode, Nemone heads to Outer Space to make a brand-new hip-hop track about Mary Golda Ross,

the very first Native American female aerospace engineer. We hope you enjoy historical records, the show that proves in order to, To make history, you have to make some noise. Ra! The spaceship is scheduled to blast off in one minute. One minute till lunch. Look, Tina, I don't care if my face is on the outside anymore,

so long as it flies through space. Forget my gorgeous exterior design. Just make sure we have a sturdy vessel. Tina's going to try, but the timing is tight. Tina's got to move faster. Phil the hype man gets it. Raccoons, let's work. Fire up the engine!

Hey listeners, as you can likely tell, you caught me at a pretty tense moment. I'm sitting inside a homemade rocket and am about to launch into space. Why are we doing this? Well, Tina, I am determined to be the first person in history to record a song in space. Oh, I got the idea from today's hero. I don't know that much about her, but Mary Golda Ross is a NASA-Law. legend. And it got me thinking about space, okay? Ten seconds to blast off.

Ah! Tina! Please tell me we're ready. I'm just, you know, about to get blasted into the Great Unknown and need to know the rocket is good to go! I'm okay! Oh, this is cutting it close. Yes! You did it, Raccoon! Three, two, one. Blast off! That didn't sound good. It almost sounded like the engine exploded.

Okay, that definitely. Definitely sounded like the engine exploded. Be quiet, loud as a riot to make history. Here, welcoming you back to historical records. As you know, this is the show where I spearhead daring experiments that combine history and hip-hop. Unfortunately, we are off to a bad start today because the spaceship, mostly built by my raccoon assistance, exploded. That's true, Tina. It was not all your fault.

It was mostly your fault. Anyway, listeners, the good news is that today's historic figure knows a lot about spaceships, so I am really hoping to get some inspiration or even directly snag some firsthand space knowledge. Let's head to the library to find my historian Gabe. Um, what is that zap noise about? Hi, Nimini. Gabe, you just appeared from nowhere. Actually, I appeared from somewhere.

I teleported here from the beach. Is that why you're wearing those neon red aviator sunglasses? No. That's why I'm wearing these flippers. These sunglasses are my new history simulator. How futuristic and practical. Indeed, I realized that if I could just figure out how to teleport our bodies through space, then we wouldn't need some big honking machine to get us around.

We could just appear anywhere in history without causing a stir. I can't believe you figured out how teleportation works. It took me all weekend, which we would. was pretty annoying, but I got there eventually. Turns out it's all just math. Since when has one of my historians become a math expert? History is my area of expertise.

But math? Math is my passion. Everybody needs a hobby, Nimini. I feel like I'm learning a lot about you today. But wait, Gate, teleportation just moves people from place to place. History simulators don't just need to be able to move through space. They also need to be able to move through time.

I was nervous. about that too, but luckily time and space are inextricably tied together, so we should be able to get anywhere we need. How's that work? Time is just a line, hence the phrase timeline. That means that any date in the past is just a location on that line. You follow? I do, but you're really surprising me today with this expert level math and time travel knowledge. I feel like I'm meeting a whole new Gabe. Oh, I'm a very different Gabe than I was yesterday, and a very different Gabe than I'll be tomorrow. That is if everything goes according to plan. You know, Nimony,

change is the only constant. Ain't that the truth. Now, shall we zap our way straight into the life of Mary Golda Ross? Absolutely. But Gabe, how am I supposed to get around if you're the one wearing the history simulator glasses?

I made you your own pair. Fantastic news for the both of us. Here you go. And off we head to the National Mall in Washington, D.C. 2004. No, we're disappearing! Don't worry, we'll reappear momentarily. And here we are.

Huh, the teleportation sunglasses worked. By the way, what was that white void we passed through? No clue, but I'm really hoping we never get stuck in there. Anyway, welcome to D.C. Yes, it's so muggy here. Is it summer? It's early fall, actually. But people forget, our nation's capital was built on a swamp next to the Potomac River.

The air is so small. Soggy, I can barely see where we are. Oh, also the lenses on these sunglasses are incredibly dark. Both true statements I can barely see as well. But I happen to know we are a little less than a mile from the Lincoln Memorial, the Washington Monument, and the White House. Cool, go, cool, cool, cool, cool. But, Gabe, who is that 90-year-old woman in that stunningly beautiful

ancestral Cherokee dress? And why is she leading that processional? That's Mary Golder Ross. I suppose I should have seen that. And she's leading a procession of indigenous people to celebrate the opening of the Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian. That seems less obvious, but makes perfect sense. Huh, if she was chosen to lead the processional, she must be pretty important. Her legacy, much like space, is immeasurable.

She made a massive impact in U.S. history, Cherokee history, and the space race. Space race? You mean the competition between the U.S. and the Soviet Union to have to have. have superior spaceflight capabilities? That's the one. And Mary was right in the middle of it. She was a brilliant mathematician, specializing in aeronautics. So she helped write NASA's manuals for manned space flights,

all while being a proud Cherokee. This woman is awesome! And as someone who is hoping to get into space herself, maybe we can back up a bit and see how she got here? I'd love to get a way closer look at some of her technical know-how. That way, maybe a certain podcast host can try to get her rocket ship to take off. You know what I mean? You will need to put your sunglasses back on.

Ready? Set. Teleport! Disappearing. Passing through the weird white board. And reappearing. Santa Fe, New Mexico in 1942. Oh, it's hot hair too, but dry as a sand sandwich.

My lips are getting chapped just standing here. Let's head inside that school. Oh, wow. Speaking of dry, look at that math equation Mary Golda Ross is writing on the chalkboard. Pretty complicated stuff to be sure. Those kids were saved by the bell. But wait, is she helping that young woman after hours? Indeed she is, because Mary was a math teacher and advisor for Native American girls in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

And now her classroom phone is ringing. This woman is busy. You have no idea. This is her literally answering the call to help the nation in 1942 when World War II broke out. How could a math teacher with a master's degree help the nation during war? First, she joined the Lockheed Aircraft Corporation. Next, she used math to keep fighter jets from falling apart while flying close to the speed of sound. Sounds like we should speed to Lockheed Aircraft Corporation so we can see her work firsthand.

To Lockheed in 1950s. Ready. Steady. Teleport. And our bodies are disappearing. A quick wave to the scary white wood. And now we're at Lockheed. Finally, a place with a temporary climate.

Gabe, is it just me or is Mary the only woman here? The only other woman was the secretary. And look at her tools. A slide ruler and the world's largest calculator? That's called a Frieden calculator. Pretty amazing to think she worked. worked on planes with these totally old school tools. Hey, why is everyone at Lockheed in such a huge hurry?

Remember, they're in a race. A space race, right. But how did the space race begin? Why was everyone suddenly so desperate to get into space? After World War II, the United States and the Soviet Union got into a heated competition called the Cold War, and a big part of that struggle was over the control of space. Gotcha. So everyone's eyes were on the stars.

And in 1957, the Soviets launched the first ever satellite into orbit, which was called Sputnik. So Mary and all her colleagues are trying to catch up. It was all hands on deck for U.S. scientists, engineers, and mathematicians. But eventually, Mary went to NASA. Shall we join her there? On your marks. Get set. Teleports!

Hi, terrifying white void. I don't work here, but welcome to NASA. Oh, look, Mary is over there. Let's go check out what she's working on. See if maybe I can learn how to get a spaceship in the air. Okay, but we should probably try not to be noticed because most of what Mary's working on is top secret. You're totally right, Gabe.

It says top secret right on top of the manual she's typing up. Oh, I feel like we're in a spy movie. From the looks of it, the thing that she's working on is the operational requirements for a spacecraft. Jackpot! That's exactly what I need to get my spacecraft into space. Just going to write a couple things down. That manual is an absolutely vital part of the Apollo program.

And you see that pile of papers on her desk? Uh-huh. That's going to turn into NASA's planetary flight handbook. Isn't that NASA's comprehensive guide to space travel? Sure is? Double jackpot! Just going to take a couple more notes here. And this report over here is full of preliminary concepts for free.

flights to Mars and Venus. Are you saying that Mary laid the groundwork for missions that haven't yet come to fruition? I am. Oh, she's so cool. I love learning about cool people. You're not alone, which is why there's a sculpture of her at Buffalo State College. Also, there's a painting by Cherokee artist, America Meredith, at the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian that we have to go see. It better be her against a starry rocket-filled sky.

That is exactly what it is. How did you know that? Good guess. Tell word time. And we're back to the Smithsonian. Look, there's our painting. Mary Golda Ross in space. It's absolutely stunning.

But let's get closer. The painting is entitled Ad Astra Per Astra, which means to the stars from the stars. And a reference to a Cherokee origin story about how humans arrived on Earth from the Pleiades. Let's take a closer look. Look at all this detail. Wow, this painting is packed with symbolism. I actually know about this. Say more.

Okay. First, there's this seven-pointed star, which references the seven sisters constellation. Bingo. Second, you have the seven clans of the Cherokee. Bingo! And last, you have got the seven directions in Cherokee cosmology. Bongo. Nimini, I had no idea you knew all that.

It's pretty amazing the stuff that will float around in your noodle from high school history. But Gabe, what is that spacecraft in the painting? That is the Agina spacecraft. It was a versatile American rocket and satellite bus used by NASA and the U.S. Air Force for tons of projects. Oh, and look at this merry quote below the painting. To function efficiently in today's world, you need math. The world is so technical, if you plan to work in it, a math background will let you go farther and faster. She was truly an example of how important math is for everyone.

To be honest, I didn't realize how important math is in making so many big things happen in the real world. I kind of feel my way through a lot in life. Nimini, can I ask you? Were you using any math to try to record a song in space? Absolutely. One rocket chip plus one song equals one space song. Oh, I realize now it was a little simple.

I admire your gumption, and it got you on your way. And now, thanks to Mary, I have got the goods and I am ready to try again. Speaking of which, are you ready to head back home? Actually, I'm going to teleport into the white void. What? But Gabe, it's so endless and blank. Trust me, I know. But seeing how fearless Mary Golda Ross was made me realize it was time to face my fears.

Well, good luck with that, Gabe. I obviously want the full report. As for me, I'm headed back to the bunker. Activate, teleport. Bye, game! I'm disappearing! In the herein now! Pick a look at these notes I took. I have some serious improvements on the construction and operation of our rocket ship.

I'm though. Pretty smart stuff, right? Can you make these changes? Fantastic. And while they are working on the rocket ship, I'm going to go ahead and get in my space suit. I'll say it. It's probably for the best we didn't actually get into space last time.

We didn't even have a proper protocol. Ha! I'm in. And now that I am suited up, I am going to go ahead and get inside... Welcome to the spaceship. Thanks, robot voice. Wow, it is starting to look good in here. Tina, what's the word? I suppose when you're not guessing how to build a spaceship, it's a lot easier, huh?

Well, thanks to Mary Golda Ross for straightening out our space aspirations and making this possible. Robot voice, let's get this thing going. Launch begins in 10 seconds. Listeners, we are about to make some history by making music about some history. And featuring one of today's special guests, Crystal Lighting. Five, four, three, two, one, black saw. I go by the name of Mary Golda. Ross, aka the first known Native American female aerospace engineer.

I am a mathematician. I am a Cherokee and I am a trailblazer. Here we go. I was born in Oklahoma, 1908, a small town called Park Hill where life wasn't so great. But from a very early age, I showed a growth rate at learning to compute to count and colate. I had a mind for math and I got math on my mind. But for Native girls, you'll find it wasn't a good time. But I'm a great grandchild of a Cherokee tree.

So inside of me, I held this belief. Those around me, they often agree. Spend my next few years with their help in pursuit of my dreams. Knowledge, I sought it. College with plotters. Math class, I taught it. Masters, I got it. But after the next chapter in my biography,

one in which the prodigy in geometry wants to honestly do astronomy, But misogyny in the field needs the quantity A female just near zero It's hard to see a pass if you can't see a hero So we rode back to a reservation I worked in education maybe my dream was dead Men instead for the next generation

I never know where my path leads But I solve all my problems like a math lead Mary Golda Russ remember me Check my legacy engineer in Cherokee I did I at the vibes the kids right, but I'd felt I'd never ever really get that big bite, but then Germany starts picking a big fight, and my world changes quick overnight. You might not know, but in World War II, men were overseas siegeing so the girls would

do new jobs that before would never hurled towards you. A new world soars through and unfurls for you. So I saw the sign, search for the sign, and the coast sign. I headed for the coastline. To lock heat on a course, I was just. chart. Interviewed and in a few, I was starting. At the job I always wanted, doing aeronautics, making military planes, artillery and rockets finally had that money in my pockets on a tray with no stopping, but then the war stopped. And then the men came home, so then I didn't know if they

let me do that work anymore. Once again, Mary Ross is at a crossroads, at a lost floor, where to go, Oh no! I never know where my path leads, but I solve all my problems like a math lead. Mary Gold, I cross remember me. Check my legacy, engineer in Cherokee. Ah. She helped put a man on the moon and making her look her choose. She helped find her space, space, make him say her right.

Take a girl, multiply her with some passion and action, subtract all distraction, add a little track. Add a little traction and a fraction of bashing in a glass ceiling. Would you get? The answer is Mary Ross. And if they would have said you can't do math here anymore, I'd be very cross. That would be a scary thought. Because my mind absorbing all these facts like they water, and my brain is made of Terry Claus.

Guess what? I was so good that they kept me here. Paid for me to train again to be an engineer. Say for 20 plus years, earn my pension here, and did even more things than I can mention here. Most of it is classified, but suffice to say, you got Mary Ross to thank for your flights today. Only woman in the room where the fellas is with some melanin helping in new tech development and writing manuals for the skunk works.

And after I retired, I'm inspiring the young squirks helping kids who look like me do what I did be a hero so they could dream big. We'll be right A win I'm making her to stand To take up in a space face,

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Entry and landing. I sure am glad to be back home. Now let me just push the button to open the spaceship door. We recorded a song in space. She did it! Yeah! First human to record a song in space! Hey! It's my hype man, Phil! Oh yeah, Phil's here! Here in person and in spirit! Well, thanks to everyone for being my welcome committee.

Phil, Tina, other nameless raccoons. When I was recording that absolute smash hit of a tune in deep space, I really really I realized something. Yeah, you did. And now you should tell us, spill the beans! I realized I use math all the time in music. Music and math are like time and space, inextricably tied. Say more, Phil doesn't get it yet.

Think about it, Phil. Rhythms, scales, the notations of a composer communicate the sounds that a musician needs to make. It all involves math. Music is math. Mind blown is grateful. Exactly.

Oh, now everyone, if you'll excuse me, my space mission went a touch too long and I have to head to my interview stat. But wait, Nimety! I have a question. What is it, Phil? And why do you suddenly sound so earnest? Can you send me into space?

I'm really excited for you, but I'm also extremely jealous. It was my childhood dream to go on a mission to space. I honestly just stumbled into this whole hype-man thing, which is great. Don't get me wrong, but... Space! That was my first love. Phil!

I'm so glad you said something. I'd be thrilled to lend you my rocket ship. Really? Under one condition. Phil will do anything you ask. I need you to promise that you'll keep space totally hyped. Oh, yeah! Space Lifeman!

Combining my job and my portion! Tina, please help Phil into space. Weep-pim! Thanks, Tee! And now for today's interview. We have two really special guests joining us. Please welcome Christina and Vivian. Hi.

Please introduce yourselves. Yat Echia Christina Halona Yenishia. Sitnanjini Nishlan. Hi, my name is Christina Halona. Hi, my name is Christina Halona. And I am of the Black Street Wood People Clan, born for the Folded Arms People Clan. The Bitterwater clan is my maternal grandfather's clan, and the Salt Clan is my paternal grandfather's clan.

I am Navajo originally from the Navajo Reservation from Salmila, Arizona. I am the Interi's Rocket Systems Engineering Program Manager at Northbrook-Roman Corporation in Chandler, Arizona. Hi, my name is Vivian. I am eight years old. I live in Ohio. I am Odawa in Honan Ashoni. My name is Awey Hunter Nishone.

I'm so happy to have both of you here. Let's start off with your first question, Vivian. How do you know you wanted to be an engineer? Great question, Vivian. I actually knew I wanted to be an engineer at a very young age, which is very rare. I was probably about your age, maybe even a year or two younger than you are right now. I saw an airplane go by above me and I'd tell us my mom, what was that? And she told me what it was.

And I was like, was there people on there? I was just asking all kinds of questions. And she was just like, okay, well, I had to take it to the library. I checked out books about airplanes and astronauts and space and rockets. And when I found out who designs rockets and airplanes, I found out it was an aerospace engineer. And so that's what I said I was going to do. I was like, I want to make things fly.

I want to do that. What does it feel like to be an engineer? Well, Vivian, it actually feels pretty amazing, you know, especially as a Native American woman, there's not many of us in the STEM field. You know, Mary Ross was their very first Native American engineer at Lockheed and just in general in the world. And, you know, I just kind of used her path. She would work very hard to get where she was and she was making great wave lengths to do what she loved and I'm going to do the same. and how she inspired individuals, Native Americans alike, like myself, to pursue a STEM degree. She was definitely someone I looked up to and I'm hoping I'm able to inspire others as well,

just telling the young indigenous kids out there that they can do anything they want. They can be an engineer like myself and Mary Ross. Mary Ross is so inspirational. Can you tell us a little more about what she worked on, Christina? She worked on very different projects. One of them, you might not be aware with Vivian because you're so young is the skunk works project at Lockheed Martin. And then they did a lot of classified projects, what they called Skunk Works, the bomber there. They're really quiet airplane that makes no noise when it's flying up above.

Like she got to work up really cool projects like that. She was amazing. What was your favorite thing in school? Sciences was actually my favorite just because he got to do a little bit of everything. And then what got me really interested in what I'm doing right now as an engineer in general is learning about physics and working on bottle rockets and the Newton's laws and all of that craziness growing up. You know, I also like arts and crafts too, which is a little bit different than a little bit different than my engineering background. But, you know, growing up, I used to watch my grandmother and grandparents weave rugs. So they had to use actually math too to do that and figure out how the rug weaving would go.

how the patterns would look like and to have to think about that ahead of time. My grandparents also did a lot of drawings and now pottery. And so seeing that as a child kind of made me appreciate the arts a little bit too. Oh, your grandparents sound really talented. Vivian, you're interested in art too, right? I think I like drawing. What do you like to draw? Sometimes I just draw Star Wars.

Oh, you like Star Wars. What's your favorite character? Art 2D2. You know what? So do I. I love R2D2 and CP3O. I call them their besties because they're always together. Hey, now that I think about it, R2D2 and C3PO were probably built by engineers. Thank you both for joining me today. Vivina, it's so nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you too. Thank you, Christina. Bye. Thank you. Bye. Listeners, thanks for joining me today for our Space Epic. Pretty amazing we made it so far into space and back. Well, almost all of us.

I still haven't heard from Gabe. Gabe, you're back. And right on time. Hey, Nimony. How was the infinite white void? Very intimidating at first. And then, very calming. Calming?

Turns out a place without time and space can be pretty chill. Now where to be, no time crunch for anything? I'm pretty sure I spent years there. Now that you mentioned, You are glowing slightly. Also, it was hard to sleep because it was so bright. So I think I'm going to go lay down. Totally.

Nice to catch up and hear about your mind-bending adventure. Listeners, real talk before we dive into Mary's legacy. I had no idea math played such a big role in my life. Are there ways that math plays a big role in your daily lives? I'd love to know. Anyway, a huge thanks to today. guest, Vivian, Crystal, and Christina. Remember, parents and teachers, you can download a free activity related to today's episode

by visiting storypirates.com slash historical records. And I can't wait to go on another adventure with you all very soon. Until next time in space, don't forget. To make history, you got to make some noise and possibly explode a spaceship engine or two. Bye! Historical Records is produced in partnership with Story Pirate Studios, Questlove's 215 Entertainment, John Glickman, and IHeart Podcasts. Executive produced by Amir Questlove Thompson,

John Glickman, Lee Overtree, and Benjamin Salga. Executive produced for IHeart Podcasts by Noel Brown. Producers for Story Pirate Studios are Isabella Riccio, Sam Bear, Eric Gerson, Andrew Miller, Lee Overtree, Peter McNerney, and Nimney Ware. Producers for 215 are Sean G., Brittany Benjamin, and Sarah Zulman. Hosted by Nimney Ware. Our head writer is Duke Doyle.

Our historians are Gabe Pacheco and Lee Polis. Music supervision for 215 by Stro Elliott. Scoring and music supervision for Story Pirate Studios by Eric Gerson. Sound designed and mixing by Sam Bear at the Relic Room in New York City. Song mastering by Josh Hahn. Theme song by Dan Foster and Eric Erson and produced by Eric Erson. Production coordination by Isabel O'Ricchio. Production Management by Maggie Lee.

The line producer for Story Pirate Studios is Glynis Bralt. PR for Story Pirate Studios is provided by Naomi Shaw. Episode artwork by Camilla Franklin. This episode was written by Duke Doyle. The song Mary Golda Ross was written by Dan Foster and Nimmany Ware and produced by Micah James, with vocal direction and additional music superintend. Vision by Jack Mitchell. Additional recording at Red Room Studios in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

Special guests, Crystal Lightning, Christina Holona, and Kid Interviewer Vivian. This episode features performances by Sarah Elizabeth Haynes, Peter McNerney, Lee Overtree, and Gabe Pacheco. Special thanks to David Kearns and Joey Clift. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the Fourth. You might have seen the skits. my basketball and college football journey or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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