The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Black TV Writers Roundtable Pt.2

Episode Date: November 15, 2021

In part two of a special black Hollywood roundtable, Team Supreme sits down with TV writers Tracey Ashley, Diallo Riddle, Bashir Salahuddin, and Angela Nissel to discuss how the black media landscape is changing. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for part two of our black TV writers roundtable where we chop it up with our good friends Tracy Ashley Diallo Riddle, Bashir Saladin, my brothers from Sherman Showcase and Angela Nissel, who is getting a lot of love right now from her mention in Dave Chappelle's new special. So, yeah, Angie, doing your thing. Love her. Listen, we sit down with them, we talk about how the black media landscape is changing

and we get into a whole lot more. So check it out, QLS Classic, get into it. Yeah, peace. Hey, last week on QuestLev Supreme, I introduced you guys to four black writers currently working in Hollywood. Angela Nissel, Masir Salahood Dean, Di Alawrido, and Tracy Ashley. Collectively, they've written for shows like Scrubs, and now with Jimmy Fallon, The Last O.G., and many, many more. Hey, let's not waste any time. Let's get right back to the conversation.

So, like, the old shows, the old black shows, let's say, like the Jeffersons and what's happening. Did they have black writers? Or, you know, like... That's not. mostly did not. They did not. They did not. Very much mostly did not. It was incredible.

Yeah, Norman Lear actually just, I just listened to the podcast he did and he talked about that how, I think he said the Black, the Black Panthers showed up at the studio because they were mad that they were like, this white man is writing this story.

Yeah, so I don't think they had any. The way there was some black authorship was the star usually had some level of veto power. So as the role, when she got a script, could then be like, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't say this. But that's like the very last level, but right before that, there was

nobody in that room. Briefly on Sanford and Son, I know that Paul Mooney and Richard Pryor were brought into work. By the way, a lot of people don't realize Sanford and Son was actually an import from the UK. Yeah, it was. Based on

white people, right? It's called like the junkmen or something. Steptoe. So, steptoe. Step to one son. How long was that on? This is before the days of BBC America, so we don't. We have no idea. So of the four of you, Who's getting fired next?

How many of you are always aware of that? Always aware of that. How many of you are willing to truly sacrifice for the greater good? Now, I know there's a load of question because I know that usually, a lot of nepotism and sort of the patriarchy like the system of

of starting out as an intern and then becoming a writer then the head writer and then next thing you know your network head I know that's very hard for black people to even fathom that situation usually you're worn out and tired after 10 to 15 years of this bullshit but how many of you

are thinking past writer, head writer, and showrunner to I would like to run the network. And especially, all right, I would assume that for women, and I see this often, you know, when I investigate the culinary world, most women don't last in those high-end

the kitchen situations because you have to really give like 15 to 25 years of your life in that situation. Usually you want to have kids and you retire after a while. So are you even thinking about in 2035 I'd like to be president of the network so that way I can really open doors. I think that for us, I don't know any, for us the highest thing you can do is be a showrunner is to be somebody like a Kenya Bears. I don't think too many writers actually want to...

Yeah, that's a different track. Nobody gets to run a network. I would assume that now that Shonda Rimes is kind of envy. Is she the, besides Oprah, the highest level of where you can be in the game right now? I think so. Yeah, and she runs her own production company. Right.

So is Shonda Rimes not even eight steps away from Oprah Hood? If she goes on this role? My two cents would be she's as close to being, somebody who has that network power without giving up the thing which is the reason we get up in the morning because we feel like artists and we want to go make art I mean I wouldn't

you know I know this I know if A&M records were started by Albert Howard and Jerry Martin months but you know that's that sort of a parallel thing in a sense of like well those guys were musicians and they said we got to get our own label it does happen but you know even with that it was one guy that was really music and the other guy was the business

all of her all of Sean the show still get notes from a network yeah she still does she honor all those Who knows? Yeah. Well, hence me asking, who is willing to sacrifice? Because, you know, like, I want to be a musician and creative, but if one day...

I mean, ABC has a black woman president. There are black executives who rise through the ranks to become the head. They're about to take over some things. It's coming. No, it's happening. That's why Roseanne. Roseanne happened because the black woman was like... A black woman named Kathy Hughes owns TV one.

Just, you know, whatever you think of it, it's there. Well, I'm not saying has it happened. saying who in this room is willing to how far are you willing to go in this this trek in this journey of television of being able to be fired oh hell yeah I'm like again I don't for me personally yeah but network executives have a lot of it's like what after show run I don't I don't turn over to I would love again for me if if you just go to movies if what my girlfriend and I were if what me and my girlfriends talk about is right you know and there hasn't been a black female half an hour comedy network show

runner, broadcast showrunner, since the 90s. I mean, I've been in this since 2002. I'm, I can't give up now. What else can I do? You know, and I like being able to help other younger people like Tracy come in and do, you know, so if it ain't me, it's going to be her, hopefully. So, I mean, I'm not giving up until I'm dead. What the hell? And that's when y'all going to take me in and feed me, find me a sugar dad. I think the ability to create new shows, new characters, new environments. I think that's what, you know, juvenates us,

you know what I mean, as opposed to the desire to have other people to bring us those things and be like, okay, where you're going to get 8 p.m. on Wednesday.

Like, I don't, I just think that that's a slightly different thing, you know, and maybe sometimes people will make that jump, you know,

but, you know. So what, what I'm feeling here is that the, the, there's a limit to your sky. No.

No, I think it's a different thing to network executive in, like, None of us, if we were a negative network executives, we wouldn't be able to write and create new characters.

I don't know plenty of network executives and maybe one of them will become head of their network. I just you know. I mean, can I just say, for me, it's like if you I'm not saying, I'm not Macasso, but I'm saying if you went to Picasso and said, you know, you really got to run a museum, man. And he'd be like, Nick, I just want to draw. I'm a painter. Like, so I'm saying like, hence the top, who's willing to sacrifice

their dreams? Who wants them sacrifice? Like, I love doing this. God made us able to do this. But their network He was a creative, and then he stopped being creative and became president for the greater good to bring usher, to bring his TLC, to bring, you know. Quincy Jones was a trumpet player and love scoring jazz. Okay, but would he have kept doing that had the deal been selling like 10, 20 million records? Like, would he have still given him? He saw a moment and he jumped at it.

Now, we asked Jimmy Jam the same thing. Like, would you want to stop creating music and producing just? to, you know, to be in the front office and not be a creative. He said, no, I didn't want to do that. Yeah. So I understand. That's why I was asking. I think most creatives just don't, people don't think like that.

I mean, you kind of do what you do just because that's, I want to do that. But I will say that. I think about it all the time, though. Yeah. So I, you know. But I would say just really quickly, go ahead, Tracy. I have to admit, that actually did cross my mind being at CBS and being on this show because I was looking around at all the executives.

All white. Oh. We developed over there. But, you know, I just wanted to say really quick that Kevin Hart is essentially starting us on network right now. The way the media landscape is changing between cord cutting, there's seven, you know, there's, I think I might be making this number. I think there was like 1,300 new TV shows or something like that.

Or maybe it's about right. Or let's say if I'm wrong. Let's say it's 300. That's still 300 things. Everybody ain't watching all that shit. So I'm saying it's a little bit of a different terrain than the 70s. I think they are definitely talented people now who are saying, look, I can just get an app on your TV the way that other people

that Netflix has an app and you'll watch the Bashir Network and then that'll be the way that I you know corral the conversation and be able to give Greenlight power to people and I think that's already actually happening right now. There are people creating networks right now that utilize technology to be the people who are in charge.

Puffy and Revolt. I'm scared for Kevin Hart though because I wonder I'm like wow how many people because there are so many outlets how many people are going to the LOL network or whatever it may be. That's the that's the next part of it right. Yeah it's like so what is the other thing that's going to be created that you can be a boss and maybe

not be a network executive and maybe not to be an app? I don't know. I hate to ask this question. Is Revolt a nationwide It depends on what state? I've yet to see Revolta. We get it. We get it in Oklahoma. Who's your cable provider?

We, shit, it's been bought like 50 times. Time Warner. Spectrum. It's not about the providers. It's not about the providers. It's on Comcast. It's on Time Warner. It's on Charter. It's about the cities that they're in. because it's not on it's not in philadelphia I have spectrum in New York City and I still don't know where people will be like Hey brother hey watch my show on fuse

And I'd be like oh I know right right Yeah That's true That's true Yeah it's so many channels You can't even tell where this is the only time of history Like you can be at a restaurant

sitting next somebody who is a fucking star You don't know who the fuck they are And somebody comes to get an autograph Wait who the fuck are you I got a show I got a TV show on a TV show on pala. What the fuck is paladin?

I'm on Crackle. I'm on Crackle. Crackle. I'm on Crackin on Crackin. I'm on the Facebook network. How about that? You're a legit star. Like with fans and shit.

Is L.O.L. An actual. Yeah, a network. I guess Kevin's going to be LL? There you go. He's buying studio space out in chats worth. Like, he's doing this. This is happening.

I went out there and saw the space. Like, this is happening. So I want them to spread itself thin and nothing be as great as it could be burning. With the whole like core cutting thing just in terms of the economics of TV. Yeah, it's scary. Yeah, I mean because to me it just doesn't seem like

and I don't know how it affects like writers and actors and stuff. Because like, yeah, people are cutting the cores but they still jacking you up to ass for the internet. The amount of people who watch each TV show has gone down. The amount of individuals who spend their day watching TV it's fine.

That number is consistent. So the people in this room will always have offers and stuff because it's like we create content. But you've got to have 10 jobs. I will say, so I want to say this. We are developing another show with IFC. You know, and we're very excited by that show.

Shermer's Showcase. It's produced by John Legend, our composer, Fonteclo, in the room. There you go. One of the things that I noticed when I was talking to some of the millennial assistance. I would be like, hey, so how do

y'all watch cable TV? You know, like, because I have seen the cable. And they'd be like, well, you know, like none of them will actually pay for cable. Oh, you still your mother's password. Can I put somebody on blast? I watch it once it goes on Netflix. Somebody else was like, well, I never cut the cord

because I never had a cord. I'm going to put somebody on blast. Roku. I want to put somebody on blast who I live with, who I married. We watch every real house We watch all of those We do not have cable in our house

I'm watching all those shows every night On the TV in the living room That's the question you should ask yourself I don't know No it's the website Torrent Oh okay Your wife and I can be good friends

We watch every one of those And I'm like We're evil We're the enemy And if you got a fire stick You ain't never got to leave a house And the kids can't even understand Paying for content

They don't even They like pay for content Why would we pay for that? I don't pay for content. I use my mother's cable when I log in with my little phone cab. They're breaking down on that somehow.

There used to be a time when nobody paid for television. Yeah. They just paid for the box. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Yeah.

I want it. I got my, so you talk about millennials. My nephew, I guess. We wanted to watch Handmaid's Tale. And so I was like, yeah, give us the,

he was like, I give you my Hulu password. I'm like, all right. And I pulled that shit and it was like five other profiles. Oh, yeah. Because like him and all his own me sure. Uh-oh.

We hit a no. And sorry. Are, do you consider an internet-based TV series real shows or 100%? Amazon, by the way. I'm on Netflix. Shout out Netflix. Let's go glow. Yo.

Yeah. He's going to go. But season two, y'all sang with it. Thank you. Especially episode eight or whatever, the actual show, the one that. But can I just do? say something, but Amazon has some of the best

terrible black movies in the world. Tarika and I watch every single one of them. You watch the ones with your boy Murder Pain. Yeah, I watch all of. Oh, man. It's an actor called Murder Pain. Shout out to the game. The one, it takes place like in Detroit or something.

Like he's in. The plug, the plug, too. The plug, too. Yeah, we watched that one as a fan of the other night. I watch our whole. They got parole. Every Amazon. I have not seen parole.

I realize that it don't matter the level of money people spend on it. If it's available, black people will watch that shit. So Amazon will buy 10. There was a bunch of bad about it on. Oh, Amazon has. They got shit to make badd about it look like the goddamn Godfather. So like Snow and the Bluff, that type of level? Yo, that was good.

That's a masterpiece. Snow and the bluff was... These movies have no sound design. These movies have no DP. I'm sitting there in my living and watching a movie where there was like, this whole scene is you can't hear anything. Sometimes you won't see a character for 40 minutes. You won't see a character.

pop back up and you'll be like, oh, he's still in the movie. So that's content. I mean, but it's content. I'm watching it in the living room. Okay. Shout out Amazon. And Amazon, too, I think they do a good job. Netflix is going to kill me for that.

They watch it. They don't listen to it. Glow, glow, glow, glow. Okay, Netflix. Yeah, Glow is dope. Netflix, they have their black movies because, like, I watch, you know, because, like, it's all this shit. Like, the world is a fucking algorithm.

Mark, so, like, I watch, yes. But they have a certain level. They do have a level. Wait, I watch that's a boy by. Of course I watch a boy. Come on. Is this a black movie? No, boy, should I watch it?

My nigger. Netflix has church plays. Netflix has. They heard that lyric. They're like, there's a movie here. They got on their lap talk immediately. Boy by Marcus Houston.

If you wonder where Ruth is Houston? Yes, Markis Houston. I'm so mad. Boy bye is good. Starring Wendy Rickale Robinson. I call him Houston. And in case you were wondering, there is a line in the movie where she says,

boy bye. Yeah. I can't wait. Spoilers, bro. It's cool. It's so good. Clifton Powell is not in that one. Yo, you know who's in like 12 of them, no.

Who was in? Wait, wait, can that be the name of this talk? He was in. He was in who is in the movie Clifton is not in that one. Wait, the saddest thing is all those movies is always one person who's like a little too big. You're like, that motherfuckerger's in the book? Right, right. Didn't you have your own TV shows?

It's like when you saw John Amis in the Watermelon Heights. You were like, oh. The Watermelon and the Hise? That's a real movie. Yeah. That's a real movie. It's a real movie. You'd be like,

Vimica Fox is in? Yo, she didn't know how they did that? You know, how did the conversation go down for that? How do they do that? Do you want some money? Yeah,

listen, it's the 28th. I know that mortgage is doing the first. You could either, you could not get paid or you could get paid. That's true. Is that damn simple?

Which will it be? Boy bye. I learned so much. No, boy bye. Boy bye is a good one. Wait, it's September. I mean,

it's, it's good bad. But it's, uh, sequels to movies you didn't know, like, oh, five can play that game? By the way, yes. They have, like, Twah, four? Oh, I think Twah was.

Yeah, they do. There was a sequel to that shit. Yeah, they do. There was a, there was two. There was two. Oh, wow. Yeah, I was in, I was in, uh, Twah was one of the first, like, no bullshit. Rainforest films.

Twas was Arabesque, Arabesque, B, T, Twi, was one of the first movies. I can remember I was in college. This was my freshman year at Central. And they marked. marketed twa like it was a fucking rap album. They came to campus. Yeah, they came to campus. One of the producers came to Harvard and was talking to us.

They came. Oh, there is a twi for. Oh, shit. I just made that shit up. Yo, this is, oh, damn. Clear off your schedule. Check it out, y'all. Check it out.

I love that stuff. That stuff is great. Yeah, my favorite black act that all is Clifton Powell. Damn, he's, okay. Clifton Powell? Clifton Powell. So we came all the way back to 227, right? No, no, you're thinking of Clifton Davis.

That was. Different black guy. I'm thinking Quincy Jones. How did we not shout that out with a street shop? No, Clifton Powell's the gangster. He's in everything. He's in everything. He's in everything.

He'll be like in a murder pain movie and then you'll see that nigga in like Black Panther 3. He has a wide range. You know what? He likes to work. Yeah. I would give him that. Every day he wakes up like, I'm going to somebody's set.

I hear it. Somebody's putting me in front of a camera today. So like as writers, like tell us what shows. do y'all like that are like Rick and Morty y'all like yo this is great writing yo sell me on Rick and Morty what do you mean selling you on Mick and Morty

No no no I hear about it I think what Fonte said about the audience is true I don't think you should I don't think it's smart When you watch it however you feel about it is the real shit Rick and Morty's the only show I know that is as funny as it is and also still has jokes that have layers for like people who are nerds but you don't need but you don't need to know that

I'm about to say men will be watching that and be like oh my God they just went into the conspiracy theory Yes but I just laugh Like guys, we break it down. That show is just funny. Exactly. I'm going to admit to you, okay, so I don't know if it's, yeah, I mean, someone told me, watch Rick and Morty.

Is the shit. Watch baskets too. I was about to do it. I like baskets. I like baskets. I like. Also, chewing gum. Another one.

Oh, I heard that good. Black woman. By the way, really funny, not trying to be like, like, just hard, hard jokes. What, you think about that? What, chewing girl? You don't like that? I haven't, yeah.

I'm surprised. It's a black woman. Not every black woman gets my love. I mean, I tried to support the girl Jessica and her Brooklyn. Jessica, they was on the daily show. Yeah, that was awful. Oh, my Lord. Wait, two funky girls.

Wait, what is it? Two funky girls. Two funky girls. Two don't queens. But she had a show on Netflix and I tried. It was a movie. Oh, that was a movie? Oh, that was a movie?

It was a movie. It was two millennially new Brooklyn for me, I think. It did feel a little, a little tested. Maybe I see black for it? Never change. I like to go with two black. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day. And I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved.

And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot in luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Lay, what's your favorite show? Oh, don't do that because the first one that come to mind is family guy. Please don't judge me. I love family guys. Do you all really watch television? Yes, yes, yes. Too much. This is weird because most people I know that are in the TV world, like, it's beneath them to watch television.

Every actor I know. You have to. Yeah, you got to watch. I was going to say, I think interestingly enough, most of what I watch is drama lately. Me too. I mean, like I also have kids. The second the kids go to bed, I just want to watch a lot of Nijago. Depressing dark adult stuff that I can find out.

Okay, around the room. Diallo, what are your, what's your two go-to shows? Well, right now I'm actually getting caught up on. Can't live without. No, I'm getting caught up on Fear of the Walking Dead. I mean, like, I'm not going to lie to you. I'm late. That's what I'm watching.

Damn it. I read the comic. You could only name one. All right. Give me your guilty pleasure. I'm ashamed to admit I watch this show. I can't quite go there. Say it.

Just say it. We all going to be honest. Just say it. Pull up your Netflix real quick. Just say it. You know what? I know it. When blah, blah, blah.

I can tell you. I'll start. I'll start. I'll start. When the fucking golden girls on, my ass is on the couch watching that shit. Gold a girl. That's a great show. Yeah, golden girls.

I just watched that shit my mom. A guilty pleasure show that you... You know what I'm like? Real housewives or like a reality show? I mean, blacking Chicago. I don't feel proud about that. I'm going to tell you what's on my direct TV right now. When hip hop is still kidding if it's Atlanta.

When something's on that you're ashamed to say that you watch, what is that show? I'll say it's keeping up with the Cardenas. You're still watching? I've never seen that show. No, I don't watch it regularly. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm sorry.

I know because I just pulled it up and I was like, I know I watched something. My guilty pleasure is actually the show called the 1980s, the deadliest decade. Is that the time on? Discovery ID, which is the best channel. Wait, what the hell is that? Okay.

Okay. Investing. Investigated Discovery. discovery is basically like a 24-hour, 48 hours slash date line. Every show is about like people who are married killing one another. So it's always like, they were the perfect couple. It seemed they had everything until she showed up missing after the boat trip. Like that's basically the whole channel.

And they have this one show called 1980s, the deadliest decade. The thing I like about it on top of like marriages falling apart, which is perversely fantastic to me, is all the old footage. Like I can actually watch old footage on YouTube all the time. Like, so last night I was watching as it happened footage from L.A. TV news shows of the Northridge Quake. Oh, shit. You know, like I just like to watch like, oh, how do we react in the moment that it was announced to John Lennon died? You know what I mean?

Like, because I like the old, like, graphics and I like, you know, like the grainy footage. and like, you know, the best part to me in cocaine cowboys is like when they show like, you know, like Miami footage of like... The Dayland Murders. Yeah, like when they're like there. There were three people found dead in this apartment tonight. Like, you know, and you're just like, the footage itself is scary. Because it's like, why is it so dark and like grainy?

And cocaine cowboys too was the one to hustle them with the godmother. That was my favorite one. Of course, about Brazil. Shot out. I can tell I disappointed you with that answer, but that's the truth. No, that's the discovery ID. I still believe the Kardashians. Go ahead.

Can't live without. No, what's your Go-Tee show? Star Trek D-Space 9, but okay. What's your go-to show? Go-to show that I watch way too much of. Man, I watch a ton of. Damn, I'm so sorry. Honestly, I watch a lot of family guy.

Yo, every time it's all like. Still to this day? No matter of that work. I'm a coricator, so I got to wait for it to sleep into other shit. But yeah, every time I, every time. Like you watch it when it comes on TBS. and then you watch it on adult swim. He's a court-cutter.

I'm saying I love that show. I think that show is, I like comedy. What's your guilty pleasure show? Rupal's Rag Race. Yeah. That's it. That's it. Can I just say, though, those people are incredible.

Yes, they are. They have to be funny. Yes, they are. And I'm from a conservative Muslim family, so we had them at the house during Thanksgiving. And my father was like, what in the? For you. Brother, I've made so many mistakes. And I was like, fine.

Okay. I've been to watch a lot. I will admit. I will sit and binge watch shows. I binge watch Rupal's drag race. But the thing I'm watching now is the Americans. I'm watching that. I got to get in the same.

Everybody says it's good. It's really good. It's great. I've been hearing it's good. It's great. But my guilty pleasure is I have to admit love and hip hop. The one with... Atlanta or...

The one with Stevie J. Atlanta. That's the one. He's incredible. He is incredible. Wait too, babe. Come on. next six feet of them.

I was going to be on this. It's not a choice. She's already been on it. She already had broke up with her once, and now they back to Gabba. Oh, why? Why, yeah, go ahead. I don't, uh, yeah, go ahead. Uh, I don't know, because I watch way too much TV.

I'm, right now I'm just looking forward to the Ozark, so that's like, oh, my. That's season. Season two. Is her Ozark good? I don't like it. Anything that Jason Bateman in, to me, is generally good. Rest of element. Well, well, I don't say I'm on rest of development.

It's your move. Wow. I love this year move with the drinks and society. I didn't like Ozza. I think to me, like, breaking bad was like the pinnacle of white man goes into scary dark territory. Like, shit. Like, that was, yeah, I was. Oh, guilty pleasure.

Staying on adult swim. Robot chicken. That ain't no guilty pleasure. That's a well-loved show. Somebody who enjoys marijuana. Yeah, that's just a nightly. And as a black-de-black, black person, it would be my guilty pleasure because people wouldn't expect it. I like a white boy.

I like that show because every reference I feel like it's for me because I'm like they didn't did 10 minutes on He-Man. I'm like that's my shit and the shit's only 15 minutes long. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a quarter. By the way, He-Man is on Netflix right now

if y'all want to see. That shit is so good. Did you see the movie? It's so good. No, no, I mean the cartoon. Oh, yeah. I was all the way in. Oh, and Killing Eve.

I watched Killing Eve recently. Did I not remember when Do you know what? Franklin Jellah. I remember. What was on that? Killing Eve Sondro. Sondro.

Oh, I just ordered it on a So it's good? It's good. You'll really enjoy it. It's season one is impeccable. Fonte Golo? The join I'm watching right now.

I'm fucking with snowfall. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did Walter Moseley write that? He is writing on like a lot of it. That's incredible. What? Yeah.

And season one is like cool. Devil to Blue Dress is one of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah. And Glow is like, up with glow. I watch that. There you go. I watch handmade still, but I'm like blowing out already. I'm just like, I'm done.

It's no way to bootleg day. No way. Like, you got to have Hulu, right? Excuse me. Hi. Oh, Bill, I'll call you. Thank you. Wait, we can't even name. No, no, no. He's saying he got it. He got the hookup. Oh, I thought we couldn't mention Hulu.

Oh, yeah. I'll give you a Hulu password. They don't stream podcasts on Hulu? Probably not near the passwords. Yeah, I'll pull out on that. I was like, I'm good on that shit. Well, that's the only thing I pull out on. TV show.

But no, man, that joint, I guess my guilty pleasure, yo, real rap, bro, like 90-day fiancé? Oh, shit. What's that? What? I've never even heard of that. 90-day fiance? I don't know it. Man, it comes on like, Bravo. It comes on one of those fucking channels. It is basically

a show about holes overseas finessing military niggas in the States. It is fantastic. Horrors. Well, I mean, what do you call it? What's the political The political... No, no, no, they're not sex workers.

Well, some of them are. Some of them are. Some of them really are. They just want to move here. They want to move here. It's just like they hustling niggas for green cars. It is fantastic. Wait, that's a show that's allowed?

Yeah. And I guess maybe that makes it even more... They're not coming from shit hole countries. Because error is not like defined by the... That's what it is. By the way, you know the real truth? That's what's sad. It's like I watch a lot of dramas and I watch a hell of a...

I probably watch too much news. MSNBC. I don't want to do. That's the real guilty. If you can name like the first five people on the line of but MSNBC like I can't you probably got a problem. I do have a problem and I can name them right now. Oh my gosh.

Stephanie Rood. She's so passionate. I love her. I got to have a thing for her. She will love that you say that. Because she's like my work wife. I love her. What was you saying to you?

No, no, I like how like punchy she is. Yeah. She's just like she'll put like one arm back and she'll be like, what do you think about that? What do you think? I'm like waking up in the morning. I'm like, she's already hair talk.

She wants. She loves the show. She loves the show. She loves the show. She loves the show. She's like my BFF. I just went really hot. I never brought her up to you guys because I didn't think, no, you didn't think it was a safe space. I've seen her stand up from Belchi to some hicks and some dope-ass ways. Like, she's like, what do you mean? You didn't know that he was from Canada? What did you think he was from? Yeah. What are you saying, sir? Oh, yeah. That was a great day. I remember that day. Oh, shit. It's depressing. I'm depressing. I'm awesome. Okay. Man, I don't watch. Did any of you fuck with Bojack? I've been trying to go. Oh, it's so good.

Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. That show's incredible, actually. That show was like a perfect, a perfect vision of like Hollywood, too. Really?

Hey, what about a camera? I'm watching. What happened to camera? I'm going to check it out. She. That was my celebrity crush. I told me she is coming on. Is she cool?

Secrets. Oh, she's cool. Is she happy? Okay. Secrets. Something's about to happen like, okay. Four months.

I'll support it. You can see her in the Andre Leon Talley. documentary if you just happen to go by miss her she's on that she wanted to drop that because there's a really dope documentary sorry wait have ever told my Andre Leone Talley joke before no no no no he's

been to so much I've seen a documentary no it's not about him okay no once there's a photo of Andre Leon Talley with the that fur hat thing and his get up and it's like Russell's ex-wife Camor Louer

Simon and I think Whitney Spears and I thought it was Jay-Z. Oh my God. Oh, I thought he was happy to hear that. And I hit him up like, yo, that's a weird, uh, you hit up Jay about this picture.

Yeah. Oh, my God. You know how many times he's been mad at me? But there is a picture of Jay in like this weird fucking hat though. Yes. And that's the thing. Yeah, a real picture.

If you look at it, you can Google it and see like it looks more. more like Jay Z than André. And I was just like, I was like, interested in the choice of coat you have there, sir. And he's like, that's not me. Yeah, it didn't talk to me for like three months.

Oh my God. Yo, am I the only one that watches HD TV like around? Oh, no. International. Wait, I watch. I watch Property Brothers. Is that on there? Yeah, yeah, that's property brothers. International house hunters, honey.

I don't like the international. I watch the regular house. What's the one with the flip? Is it flip my house or something? None of that. You don't? That's right. I didn't even get to you. Okay. It's Bill's turn. I'm here. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, it does look like Jay-Z. See? See? Is Andreine? Turn around, turn around, is he? It's not going to be big enough. You're not going to be able to see it. Oh, okay.

All right. That's hilarious. He didn't talk to me for three months before that shit. Wow. That's... All right, Bill, hit me. What do you watch? What do I watch too much of?

What's your show that you binge out for? Did you skip yourself? And Angela, what happened? I'm a go last. Oh, okay. I'm just making you. Hey. Hey.

All today. Hey, you. All right. Ben's watching. I plan on binge watching Better Call Saul season four, like, in a few weeks. Okay. It's good. How do you feel about Better Call Saw?

I love it. I love it. Now, I'm hearing talk that. It's better than Breaking Bad. I'm here and talk. I'm watching it. It's a different show. I don't know how to.

Dorian is on that show, right? Dorian Music's on that, yeah? I don't think. Well, unless he hasn't showed up yet, I'm, like, behind an episode or two. Yeah, I'm behind a few. So, I don't think. I'm still in the middle three. So I'm not really judging it by breaking bad standards.

because it's not about Walter White. It's not about, you know, some dude becoming a meth dealer. Yeah, but still has. It's about, you know, Jimmy turned into Saul. Right. So, it's a different journey.

Now, what's your guilty pleasure? I spend way too much time watching the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. That's not a good show. No, no, you don't understand how much time I spend watching you know of Prince of Laird. You feel guilty for the time.

Yes. Okay, now a guilty pleasure show I hear, I have not watched it, but I hear that it's like perfect guilty pleasure. Reverend Run's new show. Oh, I tried to watch that. That's hard. I heard it's terrible, but it's like.

It's scripted, y'all. Yeah, the scripted show. Like they tried to take his reality show and make it to a real show. Make it to a real show. So he's not playing, he's playing himself, but he has another name. I'm about to say, shout out to you. Who is it? Reverend.

I won't put it. He did this. The word there's no black folks, right? All the writers in this show got really, really? I'm in the bubble. No, black folks. I don't know. I don't know.

Damn. I haven't, I've not watched one frame of it. I'm sure you can Google who's running. And their real kids are better to look at, not for nothing, but you know, I wanted to see Diggy. Sorry. There it is. Chest or child molester. Yeah, you are.

You too, nigga. That's what I'm talking about. I know I have a problem. I told him I'm a victim and a suspect. What do you, what do you bench? That's hysterical. I like Ozark. Watching Orange, new season.

Yes. Oh, yeah. I did orange. It was controversial for some reason this season, right? It was dark. Is that what happened? I think they need to kind of wrap it up. I think this next season need to be the last one.

Have you all seen? Have you all seen. Have you all seen Wentworth? Yes. Oh, yes. That's all I'm saying. So what is it? I thought you might have seen it because it's Australia's.

It is so damn. Same year. It came out the same year too. Australia's orange and new black is called Winthrop. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Anybody, anybody fuck with Gamora? No.

No. Nobody watches it. Oh, my, my, God. Is this on Amazon? It's too many TV. It's on, isn't it? Yeah, it's on, it's on Netflix. I think season's one and two are on Netflix.

And it's basically the wire, but like how the wire would be, it takes place in Italy. Yes. It's basically like the wire. Sicilian mob. Yeah, I'm watching it tonight. Dude, that's great. That shit is fucking dope. So it's based on a book, like the author.

Subtitles. I think if you like narcos. I love narcos. It's better than narcos. No, no, I'm saying. It's not. It's better than narcos. Bro.

You said Narcos is pretty good now. Wait. It's better than Narcos is a shit. I would put it out there. GOMORO is whipping Narcos' ass. It's based on a book. It's a real story about the Comorra crime family. Like the guy that wrote it.

With a G. Yeah, Gamoire, just like Simon Moore. And like the author that wrote it, like the nigger had to go like in hiding and shit. Like he's still. So it's like, is this your porn you've been big part? It's like, hey man, but it's not what you expect. Yeah. That shit is hard.

Your guilty pleasure. It's a guilty pleasure. Yeah, Gamore's hard as nails. I think I know it's your guilty pleasure still, but what is it? Me? Yeah. Riverdale right now. Yeah, not for nothing. That's your guilty pleasure?

It's terrible, but yeah, that's been good. What's driving? Archie's Arizona. Archie's, but if Archies were on the CW. It's so good, right? It's so good. If the Archies were gossip girl,

okay. It's so good. It is good. I hate that. I hate how good it is. but like, this is some good ass shit. It's, yeah. All right, Ann, it hit me.

Oh, my guilty pleasure. No, you're a regular joint. Oh, I'm binge watching a cartoon on Netflix called Big Mouth right now. Yeah. I pulled out of that one, too. I was just like, I can't. It's so stupid. It's just stupid to me.

It's like, I guess it's like y'all watching those soap operally. To me, I was just worried. To me, the slope was kind of slippery because it's like, okay, these are teenage genitalia talking. And I know it's animated. No, I'm dead. I was just why I was. You also aren't the genitalia, this is the angel. I don't.

It was too close to me. No, no, the one episode of like the girl got a period. Jesus Christ. It's genitalia. It's like talking like the girl. It's about. It's going through puberty. And so it's one episode where like the girl's vagina.

And I was just like, dude, I can't do this. I am happy that the girl's vagina is getting as much time as the boys' masturbation episode. I mean, that's, with that too. With the pillow. With this pillow. I was very, very pleasantly surprised. I think that got a second season, too. It did.

My guilty pleasure, though. I'm with Diallo because I watch too much Discovery ID. Wives with Knives with Knives. I literally call Discovery ID the White on White Crime Channel. Find ID. And then just watch like three hours of it. You'll be hooked. It's so good.

Is it better than forensic finds? Wives with knives. That's for smart people. Oh, okay. My show, my guilty pleasure show, I think it came on ID, was naked and afraid. If y'all would watch Nick and Afraid? Did that come on ID? To read that, I know naked and off.

That was on National Geographic. All that shit ran together. I didn't watch it because, you know. Does anyone here watch? Censoring. I watched it in the bathroom. In the last three days, I've been watching in the bathroom because I can't, it's no windows in a hotel for me to do what I do.

So I put it on my phone and watch disenchantment. What does this show about? It's Matt Groening's... Read what I'm saying, Bill. We have no back... The Simpsons. Series. Okay.

With, what's her name from... Cigarettes? Not in... Abby... Oh, there you go. All right. Abbey from... You just smoked a cigarette.

Broad City. Oh, okay, Brought City. It's like an animated... But it's the Simpsons people. It's Mac Roning, right? Macroaning. Yeah, yeah. And what's her name from Broughts?

Charama. Yeah. I never... Was that show, like, really hidden? What? It was good. It was good. It's like if nothing else is on and you can't fall in the long order, you watch Futurama.

Exactly. You got good taste. Thank you. Yeah, that comes on. You've got a lot of favorite. A good taste. Everything you say, I'm like, yeah, I'm co-signing mad shit on this side. All right.

Exciting. Damn. Oh, wait. You got to answer the question. Yeah. I was like, you guys are so well-rounded with your choices. Like, I'm barely keeping up with all the own stuff. Like, I just got in the Queen Sugar.

I saw that I watched the finale. I'm not watching Queen Sugar I'm not doing that. Are you watching Greenle? Here's the thing though, man. Fucking... Ralph Angel needs to talk. Every thing.

And Ava actually told me that they spend twice the budget money and post turning up Yeah, trying to adjust because he whispers. Anyway. Yeah, so, Greenleaf. What else am I missing on own? That's a, that's a, that's a,

That's a drama. Isn't there a third? Love is or something? Or love is. 227. I wasn't too big on. I gave it a shot. Have and have not.

That's the Tyler Perry Joined. But I mean like the serious drama thing that's on the level of Queen Sugar and Greenle Leaf Right. Oh shit. Man, how can I forget? Yonla fix my life. Oh. That's a popular one.

Now I don't know I'm trying to sell you on that before. Nigah. Yo. Yeah. A yalafic. Bro. That's pretty great. Oh my God.

You can get stopped. You can get stopped. Because the greatest part about it is like after every show it's like since appearing on and yonla fix my life, shit has gotten exponentially worse. That's like the end of every show. She never fixes anything. It's so great.

It's almost like she tells him more specific reasons to hate each other. You don't like him because he reminds you're your mama who used to slap you. You're like, can I pitch something? I have a show to pitch. I'll open up to the room. Is there a show, because you've mentioned

227 again, is there a show that Netflix can play luck out of the past, out of the black past, and do like the serious, the serious, dark version. Frayson. Like Archie Archie to Riverdale. Yeah, like Archie to Riverdale, 2-27.

I mean, good time. Good time. What's the wire? Family matters. Family matters. So a black cop living in Chicago? Were they in Chicago? With a black nerd. Yeah, that was like the whitest, blackest

show. This is all about what happened to Judy. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. She did porn and she went upstairs and... I'm not talking about her going into porn. I'm talking about the character, Judy. What, say what? Why did Judy disappear? That character went upstairs and then it never did it was like, all right, that's it.

Yeah, that was it. That was like Alf, how Alf ended it. Alf got canceled, but they ended on a cliffhanger. So technically, they're bringing it back. So technically, the end of Alv is the scientist dragging him away and he's like, Willie, Willie. No, seriously, she's in this. Y'all, I'm still, man.

Y'all showed and get on the air and somebody pitched Alf and got rich off that show. They said that was the They said Alf is hands down. No. The angriest, nastiest, most toxic set in the history of multi-tale. The dad was on crack and the nigga they wrote it was on a tyrant.

It was a terrible terrible person. Yeah, the dude, the dad. The dad on actual crack. I heard small wonder was the worst. Let's, can we tell? Oh, small wonder. That was what a weird. Can I get my show?

I'm going to make a little girl. Come here, just Google Alf Dad Crackhouse. I don't want you. The writer for Alv. And also the boy from Basketball Diaries, that movie, the movie that Leonardo did. I remember the movie, but. And he was about, it was about a writer that,

and like how his life was all fucked up. He was the guy that rode off. Oh, shit. He was a drug addict. Oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. You've been waiting to say.

All right, no, my guilty, I will stick with what I really think yours is, I will say that. If I'm in bed and I don't feel like reaching for the remote and there's a Kardashian marathon, I won't rush to change the channel. Like, I'm just too lazy to change it. My addiction started when I was on Fallon because it reminded me of living in L.A. You know what I'm saying? Like you see the freeways.

You see like, you'll be like, oh, shit, look at all that sunshine. It was like a little postcard from home, regardless of who they were talking to or talking. It's only like three episodes and then I got to stop. Like I find myself getting sucked in. The show's not popular because it sucks. You know, it's a good show. The reason it's super popular is because it's a good show. But I feel super guilty for watching it.

Damn, by sure. All right, we'll take one last break and then we'll finish our last subject and then we've got to wrap up the show. Oh, my God. Play it. Family ties, right? Yes. It sounds like you reported.

Michael McDonald wrote this. Somebody can, like, sample that part. No, this was written by Michael McDonald's. And you're calling Darrell Hall. What? There's not. No, I made that up on. Oh, don't do that.

That's awful. But it sounds like Darrell Hall, right? Did Michael McDonald really right? I believe it. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me.

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Wow. All right. That was like that. Yeah. Shada. That's what they were painting, right? Exactly. That one in the,

Moonlight was the jam. Moonlight was Al Jirol. Yeah. That's Al Jouro. My name. My name. Oh, Tommy Davis's version.

They went out of Addero. Yes. Yes. Shout out to Al Jorold. The original Kim. Tendonis. Oh, rest of people. Kim, it's Files Rule.

Look to the Rainbow Live. That's one of my favorite records. It's one of the best records ever made. My final question is, is Hollywood running out of ideas with all these reboots? No. No. What should we reboot? Wait, money.

I just outside of the studio, I just seen a sign for Magnum P.I. See, that's where. We are pitching new ideas, but if they think they can make more money on a money. reboot. We are the, we are sellers and networks are buyers. And if we go in and we pitch a new idea, say, I want to pitch black girl lives in a pinball machine. They'll say, oh, that's...

Sold. They'll say, no, they're going to go through the whatever math they use to see which one's going to bring in more money. So it's not that we don't have ideas. We want to reboot something that already has a build in audience. That's already been successful. Yeah. I was saying, Hawaii 50 has been on the air for like nine seasons. I've never watched

an episode. I haven't seen one episode, but like anytime like I'm at home and I turn on CBS on a Friday night. You'll see Hawaii 5-0. That's a reboot. And it's been on for nine. Yes. And most of those guys were on Lost. They just stayed on the island of Hawaii.

Yeah. And they're like, another show coming, y'all. I feel it. Is Friday still a toxic night on television? I think it's hard. I don't think so, actually. No, no, I don't think so. Because isn't Blue Bloods on Friday, too? I feel like CBS has a bunch of dramas on Friday.

Blue Blood? And they've been all, they're all successful. And Friday night is like that. That's like the layup night. Like, that's the booed up night. Saturday night is the kind of... I think what it is, the CBS knows their audience. They're all really old. They have not cut...

They don't even know what cutting the cord is about. And so they're just like, ah, this shows about the cops. And then this other shows about more cops on Hawaii. So, like, they like cops. Cops and hospitals. Everything is like a lazy trend, too. Like Dallel was saying, we were HBO girls, was successful for them. So they try to make everything like that.

Roseanne has been a successful reboot. So now you see all these reboots coming. But the other part of that equation, I think, is also that the TV viewers are just a lot older than people think they are. So are we ready for the Martin reboot? Is that going to happen? I mean, they were talking about it. I don't think that was a, yeah. Trust me, they would have.

They would have bought it to happen. Some things need to be left alone. Yeah. Some things just need to be left alone. Yeah. Sometimes you just fuck shit up when you just bring it back. Like, Roseanne. Yeah.

She fucked that up, though. We was enjoying a couple of episodes. Like I'm saying, it would have been fine. You saw a new Roseanne? I saw a few episodes too. I did like it. You liked it? You liked it?

I didn't watch it for it. Really? I didn't want to go against Cosby back when they were like going, Eddie, you know. Oh, you never watched it back in the day. No. She was great. Catch it every now. I think I just enjoyed the nostalgia that they actually brought.

That's the show I love growing up. I love Mary with Children, too. I was like, I know this family. Hold on. I always wanted to see a black version of Mary with you. You watched Roseette. Did they explain how the white guy who wouldn't kiss a black girl back in the day adopted a black girl? A black girl?

You try I say DJ? What do you mean? What do you mean? You mean on the episode when DJ wouldn't kiss him? Yeah. What character? What came to? That's the thing.

They hadn't gotten to that. The kid? I think that's why they had them adopt a black girl. That's fucked up for her. And they hadn't gotten to that yet. There were so many original characters that I thought was dope that there was still a part of the show they brought back. That they were still getting. We hadn't gotten to the black couple yet.

I felt like they were treating that black girl on the show as like a mask. Yeah, that was the black girl. Yes. And I was like, is she his because she's a little dark. Like Sam on different strokes. Oh, man. Or no. Oliver on Brady Bunch.

Like just the. Mr. D. Didn't the Bundys have another child at the end? Seven. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, anytime a baby showed up on a sitcom, that's when you notice you. Man, that's over. Nicky on a Justin.

Fucking Raven Simone on the comedy show. Winnie and Nelson. Winnie and Nelson. I like Raven Simone. I didn't like Wendy Nelson. No, she was great, but she absolutely was an injection of, all right, we need some new character. Yeah.

Oh, but then what was cutting ham? Because we didn't get into him. They didn't know. I didn't understand that all. They brought the cats. Lance and all that. We got like Green Howard students all of a sudden. I was like,

Jarman. No, because even like it was either if a, you knew a sitcom was about the end when like a baby showed up or when Bumper Robinson showed up. Yo. I was going to be able to.

Like when he showed up, it's like, I was going to say when Colonel Taylor of married Jalisa, but you know, that was. Oh, damn, that did happen. Oh, my God.

Oh, shit. Why did you remind me of that? Yeah, that was uncomfortable. And then she got pregnant and it was like, oh, y'all really doing this. The actors were uncomfortable. Mm-hmm.

They were like reading that script like, what? Yo, I hate you right now. I'm sorry. You had to pull up over the rock. That nigga, that nigger. That's so fine. But wait, but wait. One place where that rule does not work is on Living Single.

He showed, he was. He was in the early seasons as like one of Kedijas assistants or something like that. Oh, wow. Okay. I didn't watch Living Single like that, but I forgot. We didn't watch a underrated show. That show was so underrated. I didn't watch Living Single like that.

No. My assumption was, that show was so good. I was like. I didn't watch a lot of TV like in the 90s. Like I was just always listening to music. Wait, what did you say by you? I was saying a living single was, it was underrated

because my assumption at the time was, oh, we're about to get a bunch of new shows like this. And I was wrong. There wasn't a bunch of new shows. That show is so good. You got friends. Yeah, but that show's, I think that show is personally better than friends. Shout out, Yvette Lee Bowser.

Yes. That show is the beginning. I mean, friends, I will admit, toward the middle. What's the name of the handyman on that show? Overton. Overton. Overton. He was funny as shit.

His first joke was funny. A little too much like your mama. He used to always do this prince joke. Like, maybe I'm just like my mama. Yeah, a little too much like your mama. Big legs. He was hilarious. Big leg, yeah.

But Eric Alexander, I thought, was. Big legs. I mean, you know, Saladin called her big legs. And now I've been calling her big legs. Yeah. I think her name was big legs too. Are you serious? Big les.

Big les. Yeah. Wait a minute. Okay. We're learning. We're learning. All right, so I've learned these past two hours that, that. What we learned in the episode.

Oh, yeah, to what we learn. Oh, yeah, we got to bring it back. Yeah. So I've learned that reboots are not a good idea, but you guys are pitching new ideas. They ain't going to the way. And I'm also getting the feeling that we won't overcome. What did you learn, Fonte? Um, man, I learned that, um, well, it's hard to say because I've known everyone pretty much for a while.

But, uh, but, uh, but no, I mean, I just, I hope, what I hope people see is just how long it takes to achieve your dream. I mean, just from knowing Angie from OK player and like knowing where she's come from and then just watching these cats like go through what they were doing. You knew it was when we just the message back in 2007. Yeah, yeah, like they from they started with a web series and the message like in 07. That's before Fallon. there, yeah, even before Fallon, and like, just seeing how long it takes to actually gain some ground in this shit, man. Forever. Yeah, it's a testament to just hard work and just perseverance.

Lyia, what did you learn? I didn't learn there needs to be a slew of domestic writing workshops for women, especially the black ones, especially when it comes to comedy. I kind of already knew that, but I just wanted to reiterate that to the world because I got Angela in my life who tells me this all the time. but how are you on your journey and well I got these two gigs from Questlove Supreme so I haven't been necessarily working on my dreams like I should have but I think after we've done this marathon of recordings in L.A. It's time. She did a stand-up she did like five minutes at uh when we were there for Roots picnic um when Torek did this comedy thing right she did like

five minutes oh god I never read your notes I recorded it yeah we we still got to talk about but I recorded it and I'm not like a stand-up for me and I'm not like a stand-up for me nothing like that. I just recorded it and I watched it. Laya just got to write some jokes. Her stick, like her. Oh, damn. No, I mean, no, I'm dead ass.

She's got to write some jokes. Like her. Laii, when you come, boy, time out, time out. But no, shut up. Laya, come from under that. No. When she stepped on stage, the one thing I will say, and I mean, we talked briefly,

her command of the stage is really fucking dope. When you stepped on stage, your charismatic motherfuckering. People were listening. Like, you had them at every word. there was just no jokes. Oh my God. But like,

but you had good premises. Like you had a, no, I mean, you had that thing, you had a thing where you were like talking about living in L.A.

as a black woman in L.A., which was like a funny premise. You know what I mean? But it just. Yo, why are y'all? What about my dick jokes? Wait,

close out of touch. By you, you're on the right path. Talk about a Pandora's box. I'm glad you said that. Ted talk. Listen, timeout. Time out.

Bye here. Thank you for coming to my tent talk. Why in? Now, we've been here for 100 plus episodes and the common theme that we've learned from every artist we ever interview on the show is that the wisdom and the knowledge

come from the failure part. Oh, now you're quiet. No, I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm just saying that we've, we've, we've gone, every comedian has gone through this. Dude, I secretly go through this.

Michael Chase said that. I don't tell the world that I occasionally get on. Listen, I understand. Angela came to my first ever comedy show and I was nervous for that. She was sitting in the audience. You're a braver person than I am because no one I know has ever seen me get on stage.

You got on stage in mirror. You're really doing this with y'all. You did, but I didn't know you. Many times on the show. I mean, you've been here for those shows. He mentions things. He smoked too much wheat. Are we doing that?

Are we doing that? Are we doing some weed? I would like some. Okay. My point is that, yes, in order for you to get better, you have to keep doing it. Yeah, you got to start in the mailroom. So I think you're on the right path. Nah, she started out.

I mean, she had total control. Have you been on stage since the Roots Picnic? Nah. My God. Anyway, what else have you learned? That's good. I'm done. You got to do this weekly.

I don't have no more. Is the comedy act theater still a thing in L.A.? Or is that like a thing of the past? There's many open. We can get you. Yeah. I would love to. Make her now.

Okay. Let's do it. Maker. I'm here now, Trane. I'll go with you. All right. You got two women. This will help you.

This will help in a lot of areas. You know, I start to sweating. Lord, you know, I'm sweating. Trace. But the fact that they're listening to you, that he's saying that they were listening.

Yes. That's really, that's half, always half the battle, right? So that's huge. That's really huge. I know a lot of comedians who are funny, but they can't hold that audience.

Okay. So that's something that they listen to you. Did you learn anything today? I did. I did. What did you learn? I learned that when I work a long day, maybe I shouldn't come do a pack. I got some right.

So good, too. By sure? No, no. No, no. Actually, I did learn that from you guys, I didn't realize that writers go through the same kind of long hustle comedians go through. I did not realize how long the fight was. And that's interesting. I did not realize that.

The grind is the same. Like, yeah. Can I just, I learned I'm going to be real tired tomorrow. I'm going to let you go. Are we going in the, okay. What I learned, man, I learned that I learned that Donald Glover was brought on 30 to write for Tracy Morgan. I don't know that.

Did you all you all this? I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm going to call him. No, yes. I knew you. I'm going to say I've heard, I've never heard that and I know people wrote me for that show. I doubt if he was in that room like, oh, I got a great two for line. I got a great, uh,

I got a great two for Judah Freelandor. No. Yeah. No. Shout out Keith. I learned this fact. You're here for Tracy Jordan. I'm Bill Cosby bought NBC. Right. Exactly. No, I learned this fact. I tried to buy NBC. Because rural far midchville was one of my favorite songs. And when I, asked about it because I got to know Jeff, Tina's husband, who does the music for the show. He explained to me that, yes,

Donald wrote this and then also explained that, you know, he was... I'm agreeing with the way D'all's looking... Yo, the way y'all sighed, I... No, that's cool. Because you're... Unless you are in the writer's room,

I'm just... I've heard people say you write to all of Tarek's rhymes. And I'm being honest. And it's like, they say that... I'm like, you're an electrician. How the hell do you know? I got another question now. I was about to let the show go.

How small is the world as far as like writers rooms are concerned? Like, oh, I heard stuff about that particular show. And like I said, writer's room versus writers' rooms. Like how fast does news travel about certain shows? You can travel real fast. If they're friends who work on shows, you'd be like, oh, man, that motherfucker came in. there and he he told so-and-so you you fired you know like all that talk you know okay without naming the show is there a show is there is there it was Neil Simon

is there is there a list of shows my gossip is old is there a list of shows that's like the top three shows I know never to ever approach or to go to like you've heard that I'm don't go to that show because game of Thrones is hell to work for yes there's a Game of Thrones is literally two guys and their staff writers. So that's like one of the smallest rooms. There's producers, you know, or showrunners that people say not to work for. But I will also say that when meth and red got canceled, it was the shot black writers heard around the world.

Really? Dude. He didn't know that show existed until a whole days ago. Bill just revealed it to me today that meth and red had a show. I didn't know this. So why was that? That was on fire. It was on fire.

It was on fire. Because, again, at this point, I'm the only black writer in the room. So you were, you wrote on that show. No, no, no. No. No. Yeah, and it literally traveled around so bad because from what I hear, and again, this is pass it down the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But there was a room full of white writers and meth and red didn't like what was being written. And someone, they were like, yeah, he shoved him in the face. And they were like, and meth and red called it a mush. And they mushed him in the face. Like they were teaching them about. Yeah, and so it was like, and they were like, you just don't come to Hollywood and we give you a show and you mush people. And so for the next seven weeks, I could you know, all I heard was rappers coming to Hollywood mushing people.

Oh, shit. And then I'm the one black person where I'm like, I didn't mush anybody why y'all looking at me. I never even heard that word. Damn. So I also learned not to believe everything I hear when it comes from Jeff Richmond.

So anyway. What did you learn? I learned two things. I learned that Stephanie Ruhl listens to QLS. That's pretty fun. I also learned that Hal Lyndon's still alive. And man, Ron Glass isn't. So shout out to Hal, wherever you are.

and Aveigota. And Ava Gota. Ava Gondon. He died. No, he just recently died. Oh, really? A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come. Look for up and coming town. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved.

And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot in luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And shout out to the guys who make it to the 90s. I love that documentary. The fact that Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner are still buddies and they still hang out in the afternoon. That's amazing to me. Boss Bill, what did you learn? I learned that if I ever want to get a show on the air, don't take it to HBO unless I have, like, a decade to waste. That's bad. You would think that with that with that.

Netflix in the way that streaming services I think that's changing by the way. I do think things are changing. I think our experience as devastating as it was was a little bit unique and not far for the course. Well, you know what, man,

like I had a homie that was working on they were doing a they were doing a Lewis and Clark it was supposed to be it was a Casey. It was like three, four years they developed that. No, that's the one that took eight years, right? Yeah, and they like... Yeah, Lewis and Clark took eight years to develop.

And I had a homie that, was working. He was in that show and they was just like, nah, fuck it. Look, I think that's changed a lot because, you know, for the first time Netflix got more nominations at HBO, I think. Shout out Netflix. I think things are, I think the industry is changing.

I got a bunch of parties to go to. You know, I'm actually, to go back to your point earlier, I'm becoming more of a student of how people consume. So I'm finding out that like, VOD doesn't really count towards your ratings, but people watching on the app does. Like, so maybe stay on the

people on the tech side to make sure that the app doesn't crash when too many people are trying to watch a show through the app like there are a lot of ways the technology and the and the content creation are colliding and I think it's smart for all creators to educate yourself oh man well I guess he doesn't count towards ratings it's complicated like the apps and I saw a chart and we actually have a meeting next week at IFC on this but like there is a chart that shows you like which things count actually towards your ratings and which things are Lovely, but they do not. Oh, man, I guess what we should go?

We should ask y'all, like, for young writers trying to come up, like, what would you say to him? We didn't get there. We should have said that. But hang on. So, Sugar Steve, can you tell us what you learned today? Shoulda Steve is not on the mic. I know this. Edit.

I learned Steve Mandel doesn't like to be the only white guy in the room too. You can only take so much. Oh, we've been learned that. All right. So thank you, Steve. I gave you your platform. You're not here. Ands, what did you learn?

I actually just learned through text that my services will not be needed on the last OG due to something somebody. Somebody in the sound room snitching about some shit with it. That'd be hilarious. No, for real, the thing that I learned is that Fonte has really shitty taste in TV. I take it. I'll watch by 90-day fiancé by myself. Thank you very much.

And fuck y'all. What's your question, Fonte? Oh, no, just for like young writers trying to get into the game, like what would y'all tell them? I mean, other than like start 25 years ago, but... And go to Harvard? Yeah, go to Harvard. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if that's...

No, I'll answer real quick. I think I always tell people, I'm like, you know, write every day, get good at writing. If you claim to be a writer, then you should love doing it. You know what I'm saying? Nobody puts a gun to your head and says, hey, make music. You know what I'm saying? Just do it because that's what you want to do. You'll get good at it.

you know, over time and always, you know, stay true to yourself. And that doesn't necessarily mean you've got to write a show about a person who grew up in your hometown who came to Hollywood to try to be a writer because I always say, George Lucas didn't grow up flying spaceships. Like whatever is, you know, your interests,

like write it, write it all the time. Don't ask everybody that you know to, you know, read you constantly. Like, once you write it and it's really, really good, be happy that anybody reads anything that you give them and please give them at least a couple of weeks

even months to read it because I think everybody in this room has had that person who's like hey man you read it yet I sent it to you at 5 p.m. You know like that's a thing and read the scripts are hard it took me even in it like when you was just like

man like it took me a while to learn like how to read scripts and how to ask. Which is what I tell. Even the best writer may have terrible advice for how to fix your scripts so at the end of the day you have to believe in it

You have to know how to fix it. I tell people, you know, when Young Writers ask me all the time, I say, you know, you got to be really hard on your work, like extremely hard on your work, make sure people who read it are not going to be nice about it. But are people who have good taste, but then also really make something because nobody wants to read a script.

Like, I'd rather you send me a link to some shit I can watch. And let me see how good you are because I'm not about to read 10 pages. Dang. Make something. What about you, Tracy? Make something. I would say don't.

Don't steal. Like legal pads or jokes? Ideas. Don't steal like I know some young writers who go Oh, I like that. I'm going to write that. But that's already on. You know, what are you, like what you're saying? What are you passionate about? And Shonda Rhymes did say that.

And she said don't steal. Don't steal. That's crazy. All right. Say something or am I tripping? What? Did you say something? Angie had no advice.

You got no advice for the youngest. advice from Angie. Fuck important. When he cuts you off, you just got to let him know. My advice actually would be, if you want to be in a writer's room, it's to not only get good at writing, but you should maybe take an improv class. If you're not, you have to get good at being around people.

Because you can't. And by the way, that's always my biggest advice, especially in comedy, my biggest advice for people who want to come up, no matter what they want to do, direct, act, write, anything. If you haven't done that much and you're still figuring out what you want to do, take an improv class because you'll be around other people who have similar interests, and then at some point you'll figure out, well, that person has an eye for something. This person's a better writer than an actor, and this person is a star in the making.

You'll create a network of people. Me and Bashir's first foray into this thing was just doing a sketch show with our friends. You know, for no money at a theater, and wow, we looked up one day. And by the way, that was a hell of a sketch group. Our very first foray into anything was to form a six-person sketch group. look back on who was in that sketchery. It was me and Bashir, Wyatt Sinek, Robin Thidi,

and Matt Batarey, Spencer, and Angela Yarborough, and nobody had done anything. We thought why it was the star because he had written on a season of King of the Hill. He was the start of the group because of that. So there you go. Yeah, I think writers, especially people want to get into TV film, get so caught up

in the how to write and I have to put interior, exterior. 90, well, 60% of this business is managing people and getting a along with other people and personalities. And you can't read that in any book. So I would say work on your people skills too. Okay, well, we learned a lot.

That's good. Okay, so I think we wrapped up our special Hollywood shuffle episode. You'll fix my freestyle in the edit, right? You'll fix my freestyle in the edit. Never. Yeah, it's not one take hold, baby. We all got it.

One take home. You're sad how relevant that movie still is, by the way. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, And shout out to my nine nerds. Oh, look you just stepped in the room. Boy, bye. Bye boy. Right now.

Boy, bye. Anyway, Steve, did you learn anything? No. All right. Hilarious. Well, on behalf of Team Supreme. Oh, wait, time out. I forgot.

Y'all think I'm bugging. I can't let this moment go by without a moment of. Oh, God. Oh, Jamaica? Yes. I'm sorry, Bill. I got to do this. Is this?

Night court. Let's go. Let's go. 21 Jump Street. Let's go. Come on now. One more time. 100 ways.

Right. I was up like, damn. I don't know that shit. No, is that moonlight? I can see it. St. Elmore. St. Elseworth. Yeah.

Say, no. Blue. Blue. Blue's right. That's right. That did sound a little moonlighting, E. Here you go. Miami Vice.

I got that way. Duke's a Hazard. Duke's of Hazard. Oh, Causes. Second, second, second. Last one. Moonlighting. All right, all right.

On behalf of nine, angry. Was that moonlight? That was a great way to spend three minutes. Thank you. Sorry. Well, you know, I'm just trying to be in the show, nigga. And on behalf of Farn Cigolo. By the way, that was a spokesperson for Cracker Barrel.

That's hilarious. Goodbye. I'll see y'all later. This is my show on Pandora. Peace. Must Love Supreme is a production of I-HeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts from I-HeartRadio, visit the I-HartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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