The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Bobby Brown

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

From his early days with New Edition to recording countless hits as a soloist, Bobby Brown talks about life as a musical legend. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Quest Love Supreme may contain language to some of our listeners may find offensive. Listener discretion is advised. What's up, y'all. Welcome to QLS Classic. This is Questlove. We did the Bobby Brown episode, I believe, in the summer of 2018. This is right before his BET two-part special came on,

way after the new edition, BET special came on. And, of course, his story alone, bananas. And that's putting it lightly, especially the point. about Miss Jackson. It was nasty. Anyway, for me, I think it was also important not to just focus on the salacious, controversial side to Mr. Brown. Like, there's other sides to him that people don't know about. So for us, it was like a way to humanize him more than he normally is in other interviews. And I think we did a pretty good job at covering both of them. So this is the Bobby Brown QLS classic episode.

I hope you enjoy it. Suprema, Subrema Roll Call. Suprema, Subrema, Submina, Subrema, Subrema, Role Call. Supremma, Submina, Role Call. Supremma, Submina Roll Call. My name is Questlaw.

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Suprema Supraima Supreme of World Call Okay, that's how you're I'm up, I'm up. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Quasloaf Supreme. I'm Quaslove, what's up, Team Supreme.

Awesome, fucking awesome. Sorry, I'm just fucking awesome. Number one, like this is why we started this podcast. Exactly. For moments like this, straight up. No lie, straight up. Ladies and gentlemen, our guest today is simply the king.

The king. The king. Yeah, the king. King of stage, King of Roxbury, Boy, there's a Arm B, New Jack Swin. We're in a Kang of fried chicken, too.

That's what we hear. Yes. Oh, yeah. We heard this fried chicken is. Got that. King of prerogatives. King of Crules. I want to thank Bobby Brown

for introducing the word prerogative to the black community. We did not know what that word was. I've never heard that word. You have to really understand something. I didn't know what the word was at first. I even spelled the word wrong on the record.

Uh-oh. And the dictionary corrected it in the dictionary. Wow. Wait, what? So they rewrote it like I said it. Oh, wow. And like I spelled it. So it was just like, it was weird for me.

I was, because it's prerogative. It's not perrogative. What? It's prerogative. That's the proper way to say it. That's the proper way to say. But they changed it in the dictionary to be prerogative. The King of Websters.

Welcome. Robert. Beresford. Barisford. Brown. Yes. DeQuest love Supreme. Thank you for having me.

Thank you for having me. Praise him. Sister. Wait a minute. So the way I've been spelling prerogative has been wrong on this time. It's been wrong. The whole world. It's been right.

The whole world. He introduced that word to the world. Who knew what the fucking prerogative was? I sure is it. Is his what? What is that? But you know what? It sure's hell came in handy when I was had to take them.

vocabulary testing. What's his eight-year-old boy know where the prerogative is? It's Bobby Brown. Thank Bobby Brown. So how are you doing this day, Brian? I'm wonderful, man. I'm just happy today.

Last night we had the first viewing, the first premiere of the Bobby Brown story, and it just went over really good. The acceptance from the people that saw it was out of here. I'm hearing good things about it. I hear you know, Woody McLean is. He's Bobby. Is you?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to sit down in a little while after this tour and just let him be Bobby, you know. Just stay at home with my kids and my wife and let him go out on the tours and be Bobby. Yeah, send my check back. What's wrong with it? What is the process of, especially, I mean, this being your second biopic. Like, is there a certain amount of time that you, have to spend with the person playing you?

Do you guys just talk on the phone a lot? Is it like how long did it take him to... Well, with me and Woody, me and Woody got to know each other a lot when he was doing the biopic for New Edition. And after that, you know, we knew that we couldn't find somebody else that could play that role that well, you know, for my movie. And we called him up and me and him had been hanging and, you know, just going to lunch and talking, and he developed all of my mannerisms.

He hung out with my kids, so he knew my kids. And one of my daughters, she's three years old, swears that Woody's a boyfriend. So, you know, I'm just, you know, I try to keep them far away from each other. But, no, Woody's just, he's just a great kid, and he's very, extremely talented. it. And I just thought that, you know what, let's get this boy another shot at it and watch him just saw. And he's about to, he's about to saw. Now, did you use the same younger guy for the new edition? Yes. Yes. Thank you. So yeah, I had to, I had to keep it real and gully.

You know, it was just, it was just meant to be, you know, the way they play off of each other, you know, the way they get together and they talk about, you know, the role. of being Bobby and in knowing the person, knowing me and being able to be around me and see how I am as a person. You know, I think gave them a lot of confidence and a lot of insight on who I am and how do you play this strange character.

And they pulled it off. Because how does the younger, how does the younger Bobby? Who does he go to? He goes to me. He goes to me. He goes to me and my youngest son, not my youngest son, but to little Bobby, you know. Isn't that my man from Stranger Things? Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Caleb. Yeah, no, he's good. Yeah, he's really good. He's really good. And such a cool little dude. I mean, you know, I saw him last night and me, him and Woody were just sitting there and I was just congratulating them. Excuse me. on the great job that they had did because, you know, they just brought the whole,

they brought the whole Bobby across so well. I mean, and I was just, I was sitting there and I was just like, I was almost in tears at some time, but then I was like, pull it back, pull it back, you know, don't, don't cry in front of all of these people. So what angle, uh, did, or approach did you take to telling your life story that was different than the new edition biopic. I don't know when you first came it was like when you first met Ralph or whatever like so this deals with your life in your household and at Roxbury. Yes this deals with um the first time I experienced tragedy. The first time that um I lost someone in my life.

Okay. Um when I was young I was just a child and I had lost my grandmother. And um right after my grandmother right after her funeral, you know, and me, you know, not feeling, not feeling anybody. My best friend, Jimmy, was able to, you know, pick me up and was like, come on, let's go have some fun, because I was just, I was done. I mean, done because she was the one that turned me on to music, you know. She had every record, every album of every artist in her house and she would just let me play all of the music that I wanted to and listen to everything that I wanted to listen to and she would show me different things to listen to and then she taught me how to play piano and when she passed it was just like now where do I now where do I get

this this music from where do I get this passion that I have in my heart and once I um once I lost her and And me and Jimmy, it's the first scene. So me and Jimmy, we steal some bikes, you know, we go riding on the bikes and we pull up to, you know, a house party. And, you know, somebody messes with the bikes that we just stole. And he got into a fight with this Spanish guy. And the guy, you know, Jimmy was whipping his, you know, whipping his ass. And somebody threw the guy and threw the guy a knife and. the guy

one of my boys kicked him in the back and he lunged towards Jimmy and killed him, stabbed him in his heart and that was the second the second you know tragedy and that was the point

that was the time when I got to the point where it wasn't about mourning or anything like that it was about getting myself out of the situation that I was in getting my family out of the projects, getting my family to better,

better surroundings. And that's when I created a new addition. And from that point, it was all history. So you officially created, like were you the episode and the one that gathered them together? Yes, yes. I asked Michael Bivens, did he want to join my group?

Because I have been doing talent shows by myself. So I knew all of them. We all stayed on different sides of the projects. So I talked to Michael, you know, I asked him that he wanted to be in a group with me. He said, you know, yeah, you know, as long as it don't interfere with my basketball. But it did.

It did. And then we asked Ricky, and Ricky was like, he was totally down. And Ricky said, you know, I know this kid that could really sing, that could really sing. And I was saying to him, you know, I'm going to be doing most of the vocals. I'm going to be, you know, the singer, the lead singer.

And when I heard Ralph singing, I just lost it. I was like, no, okay, okay, okay. All right, that's cool. He can do the songs. So I eventually put myself in the background a little bit, you know. And you was okay with that. I was okay with it because he sounded too much like Michael Jackson. And it was just like, you know, this is how we're going to get out of here.

We're going to get out of here by not imitating, but being the second coming of the finest boy band ever in history, which is the Jackson's. And us coming behind them was just everything. Then we met Ronnie from our choreographer, Brooke Payne. How did you, how did you, who officially met Brooke Payne? Me, Michael, and Ricky. Okay. Yeah, me, Michael, and Ricky went up to him and we was like, you know, we was like, we want you to, well, Ralph was there also.

We was like, we want you to check us out. We want you to manage us because he was managing so many groups in our neighborhood, the untouchables, transitions, you know, and these boys were shop. I mean, were they all singing. Yeah, they were singing and dancing, and they were just, they was a lot older than we were. Real quick, the transitions, I was reading your book, and I noticed that.

And I believe Biv was in that group, right? It was a dance troupe? No. He was involved with him at some point. He came back with another group called the transitions. Later on. I was wondering if it was the same crew. No.

No. No, me and Biv worked with a group. I forget the name of them. But, you know, me and Mike dance with this group. And we are, when we wanted to leave, they wouldn't let us leave, so we broke in their house and we stole the truth. Wait, wait, what?

We broke in the house and stole all the trophies that we had won because they wouldn't let us take the trophies home with us. And we knew we were the, you know, the reason we won those trophies. So they wouldn't let us get the trophies. So we broke in the house and took the trophies. And Mike would let me have it for a week and I'd give it to him and he'd keep it at his house for a week. None of them came to you're like,

Someone took our trophies. Do you know who did it? Nope. Oh, okay. No, they didn't, they didn't even think about that. I hear a lot about what life was like in Roxbury, you know, but usually it's like, yo, man, I'll mess with Roxbury, but what was Roxbury the toughest of the tough? Like, was that, what was it like growing up in a city, especially with racial tensions

were so high between black and white people up there and badly high, you know, we couldn't go in their neighborhood. at all. We couldn't go in South Boston without being jumped or bricked or, you know, we had to pass through there to get to another project, which was Columbia Point, which

most of our people that lived in Orchard Park had some family in Columbia Point. So it was hard to get through South Boston to get to Columbia Point. Columbia Point was like where the beach was and

you know, all of that. type of stuff to clam digging and fishing and all of that um but yeah it was it was it was it was it was just you know it's just i don't know boston is so diverse but it's still probably the most prejudiced city divided yeah yeah in in this country right now even still even still even still but you know since since hip-hop has come along they basically tried to be us you know And I think that's what they was mad about before because they wanted to be us and just didn't have the color for the connection.

Is Boston still home for you, or are you based out here now? I'm based in Los Angeles. Woodland Hills with my family. And I'm very happy. I'm not moving back to the East Coast. That cold weather does not agree with me at all. At all.

Not at all. Speak on, at least with Brooke Payne, What I always loved about you guys was that, you know, you guys were the fine line between what the temptations represented, but you were also very much what hip-hop was about to be. So it was almost like you guys were the thin line between temptations and what UTFO was doing with Houdini, like those early days. But how many, like, painstaking hours of practice did that take? Oh my God. Let's see. We get out of school, like 3 o'clock,

have to be at rehearsals by 4. We had to go home, do our homework and stuff, and make it to rehearsals, and don't be late because, you know, you're doing push-ups or you're doing sit-ups or you're running around the building, you know. He trained out like athletes almost. Yes, basically.

That's how it was. But we would... You respected that. Yeah. I'm going to quit the group if you make me... No, it was what we felt that he let us know. What was needed for us to, you know, be one of the top-notch groups was, you know, to perfect our craft.

If we perfected our craft, there's nobody that could stop us. And that's how we looked at it, that, you know, all of the, all of the, you know, long nights and long days of just dancing and dancing and not singing, he wouldn't want you to sing yet but just dancing like four hours of just straight dancing doing the steps with and without the music and then there'll be two hours of of us singing you know and we would be singing you know just like regular r&B songs you know we didn't have music our own music at this point so we were singing you know like holding on yeah we got the interview uh jeffrey i's He was really, he was so happy about that.

We were singing that. We were singing Jackson songs. We were doing like the medley of, you know, the Jackson medley. We would do that, like, maybe four times in a row. Just do that whole thing, four times in a row. And then we would just, you know, work on other songs. Just any song that was out there that was popular, we would make a routine to it, you know, because we were still doing talent shows.

but we got kicked out of doing talent shows because we kept winning. So we had to stop being special guests of the talent show. Like did it be, you know, it's a talent show with special guests, new edition. Were there any other notable Boston acts that eventually made it that were in these talent shows? Like nobody from Planet Patrol or any. Any of those guys? No, no. Planet Patrol. They were older and all of that.

But that was Maris's brothers. But when we lost the competition, we lost the first competition we ever lost was the Hollywood Talent Night. And this was for a recording contract. We were going to be able to go into a studio and record a record a record with Marie Star. and we lost we lost to these these two

goofy goofy rappers they was lanky was the word to you yeah lanky and their name was New York rappers now they was that was their name

that was their name they was the New York there was the New York rappers but they were from Matt of Penn in Boston neither one of them had been out of Boston or ever been to New York

but they just called them the New York rappers, but they beat us, and I haven't heard a peep out of them yet. It was rigged. It was rigged. They did it. They were good at least? No. That was the whole thing.

They wasn't even good. And for them to beat us, we were just like, what? And then Maris came over to us, and he was like, I'm just, this is just because I want to sign y'all. I don't want this other label to get y'all. he wanted us to record for him and signed to his label. So we were just like, okay. Just put us in the studio then.

Then Marry's always dressed like that because I've only seen like the chicken, like the colonel. Yeah, with the Captain Crunch outfit. How was he, that was him all the time? That was him all the time. Wow. Yes. Was he doing an old to somebody or he was just,

was he doing an old to somebody? Like his grandpa used to dress like that or did he like somebody? I don't know. He just was, that was his style. You know, that was just Maurice. What was Michael Johnson's relationship? What was his relationship? Michael Johnson is Marie Starr's brother.

Okay. Okay, so together they work together. Yeah. Because I got to admit, when y'all gave a shout out on the Candy Girl 12 inch, I thought it was Michael Jackson. I said, I knew it. I knew Michael Jackson. I was going to do that.

I knew it. Hey, real quick, you said that at one point, James Brown had pulled you up on stage. Yes, when I was younger, I must have been like seven. Seven, yeah, about seven, six or seven. And my mom, she knew I liked James Brown. And she brought me to the place called the Sugar Shack, where he was performing.

Of course. She snuck me in. Was that your spot? Well, I founded that in my network as well. Okay. She snucked me in there, and James is on stage, and he doing his thing. And my mother just put me on the stage

and I just started dancing right now. And he stopped his band. He was like, hold on, hold on, hold on, come on. Let me see you do that. And he did his thing. And I did the same thing. Right. And then he did something else, and I did that.

And he was just, he was in all. And I was just looking up at this man like, man, I'm gonna be just like you one day. One day I'm out of you. One day. I'm going to be just like you. Did your pass ever cross again after that? Yes, yes, a few times.

We talked a few times because we both were living in Georgia at the time. And we both did this one concert at the big field. It's a big field there. I forget the name of it. It's the baseball field. Where the Braves pay. So we did a concert there. It was a big benefit concert.

and I was able to, you know, sit down and talk to him at that time. And, you know, he told me, just go stand on the side of stage. And I was like, oh, my God. So I'm standing on the side of stage, and I'm just watching, just watching. And I told him about the time in Boston when I was younger. And I said, do you remember me? He was like, I had a lot of people come on my stage. I said, but, you know, I don't know if I remember you,

but I remember this one kid, one kid that could do all the dance steps that I was, I was like, that's me. It's me. So did you always have this confidence? Like you said seven years old, your mother said, go ahead and you just. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've never been shy about anything. I just think, you know, why be shy when you can just be yourself, you know,

and just let it go, you know. There's no reason to hold anything that God has given you back. Yeah, we had babyface. He was on the show Wild Back. And he said about you specifically, he was like, man, I haven't seen a lot of acts. I'm producing everybody. And he compared you. He was like, man, Bobby was like a prize fighter.

He was like, Bob will come out. He was like he was fucking relentless on stage. Yeah. That was, I mean, that was him talking about you, just your work ethic and on stage. He said, man, Bob took no prisoners. Yeah, I don't play. I don't play with that. I do not play with that.

When he comes to being our stage, I'm a whole total different person. That's going to ask, so your solo career, how did that translate, like all that rehearsals that you used to do when you was a little boy and whatnot? What was the difference in the rehearsals process

for you now that you had, like, your own dancers and whatnot, like, were you... I had... Were you... Brain pain to you? Yeah. And your dancers, what were their names? It was Derek and Willie.

Pop, so what was you always... Heart and soul. Heart and soul. Heart and soul. Dit, dance. Yeah. Oh, that's who he was called up? Yeah, I was like,

what was their name? I didn't know. Heart soul. I didn't know that. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I get it now. Oh, shit.

Black mysteries unlocked. This is black mystery right here. The mystery has been revealed. Bobby's dance is a heart and soul. Did you turn into Brooke in that way? Huh? Did you turn into Brooke that way with your own? Yes and no at the same time because, you know, I mean, when we was rehearsing with

Brooke, I mean, we had to rehearse in. a really hot smoke-filled room because Brooks chain smoked newports. Okay. Oh, Lord. During our whole rehearsal. So it was just like, and it was like 90 degrees up in there. So we was sweating and all we were doing was breathing in Newports. And it's a shock that only me and Ralph turned out to be smokers.

Nobody else. But me and Ralph turned out, you know, to, to, smoking after, you know, several years of just being in the room like that. Hailing all the cigarettes. Inhaling all of that. So, you know, other than that, you know, Brooke was always just, he's a stickler for, you know, perfection. With my guys, I was just, I was the type to tell him to dance loose, but dance tight, you know. always be in formation

and follow me because I might do something I might do something slick and out of the step of what the actual step is and I need y'all to remember it so the next show they would remember the slick part of it. I would build on and build on and build on and build on

so it just got it just started growing and we got closer and it was just we were able to read each other when we were on stage and that was a good part. Then we got Mecca and the LA Connection dancers, which were four girls from New York, four girls from L.A. And we put them together.

It was a lot of fights, though, on the road. It was like the Bloods and the Crips. Wasn't Leslie in that also? Yeah, Leslie was there also. Big Les. Big Les. Big Les. Where is Les? She's Wes. I miss her. I see her on Facebook, occasionally. Can you just tell me, this is always a mystery to me. Who was the girl

who was always in the videos with the short cut, slender brown skin? But she was in my prerogative and she had the short hair. She was plain. Oh, yeah. That's Closure. Okay, because you used to see her, she had an error, I felt like. Huh? I felt like she had an error. Like she, she was around. Yeah, she was in a lot of videos after that. Yeah. Oh, I think about . No. I think. Yeah, so did I'm sure she had an aura, but I just also had an aura. I was about to, you know.

But I hold it back. I hold it back. I hold it back. You know. But, you know, you did skip a decade, so. I'm sorry, I was just because he was there. Anyway. I had it on my mind. Sorry, I didn't mean to fast forward. No, it's all good.

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what was as far as like your your new addition situation who were the clicks like who was who was your friend in the band that you were close to we were all clicks at certain times you know certain times

of the day I would be with like Ronnie you know playing cards or something like that then there was certain times that me and Ralph would you know, be kicking it and just doing what we do, you know, goofing off and stuff like that, going to buy water guns and, you know, spraying everybody on the tour. Then it was me and Mike who's the thinker. He's like a big think tank. So, you know, I'd like to pick his brain every now and then, you know.

And then Ricky, Ricky's just Ricky. You know, you just get around Ricky and Ricky just, he's quiet. if you say something, he'll agree with you. And that's just how Ricky is. Ricky agrees with, you know, most of the things that everybody says. But he's super intelligent. He knows what's right and what's wrong. And that's where you, that's who you go to to tell if there's three against two and a vote, you go to Ricky.

He's a swing vote. Yeah, he's the swing vote. You got to get to him first. I was Ronnie. Ronnie always seemed to just be so cool, man. He's one of the most laid-back dudes in the world. I'm so proud of him. He just had twins. They stars, too.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I'm just really proud of him. He knows what he wants and he knows how to go get it. You know, he's bought so much property in Detroit that is incredible. Wait, then he's starting Atlanta and he's now moving to Detroit. He's starting to. He started his business in Atlanta, but he's, yes, buying land in different places. And I commend him because Detroit is about to get a whole big facelift.

You know, Japanese, well, Chinese or I don't know. The Japanese put like $10 billion into Detroit already. And it's like build industries. Build industries. You know, the Ford company, all of that, all of that's being rebuilt up. And there'll be more jobs and the homes will shoot up, you know. It's almost about to be. So I recommend that for most people out there listening.

Go buy you some property. Yeah. Go buy you some property in Detroit and watch it and just sit on it for a little while. Don't out rent the community. You know, you know what I'm saying. Don't outpricing. You know, gentrification is inevitable. It's coming.

Give a little something affordable. Give them a little 10%. Well, they're selling them houses like $5,000. Yeah. $2,500. I know, but you know they're going to flip those. Oh, of course. Yeah, they're going to flip it.

Yeah. That's the name of it. Yeah. That's business. Let's call it Ronnie right now and get some problems. Yeah. So when you guys first started touring and traveling, I first saw you guys at, I think you were at Valley Forge Music Fair.

Okay. You did a bunch of, like, these small venues where. where the stage is always in the center or whatever. I forget what year this was. I think there was like 83, 84, but how did that affect you as far as finally make it out of Boston? Did you feel like, okay, we finally made it? Yeah, probably so.

We used to, before Candy Girl became a number one record, we would come to New York, we would go to New York and we would perform like five shows a night. We would play all five burrows and we would start at like 11 at night and we would just go to each, we used to go to each club or each roller skating rink and just play from from 11 o'clock all the way to six that morning. We would get in, we would finally get in bed by six that morning and get some rest and do it again on Saturday. and then Sunday we would get all into this station wagon excuse me this station wagon and we would drive back to Boston How old are you at this time?

Like 14 15? Wow, couldn't even drive yet. 14. Damn. How you get your homework done? In the car? So it was required like tutors and all that stuff? Tutors were required.

My mom wasn't letting me not, you know, get my education. She didn't play that. Yo, the way that they played your moms out in the movie, amazing. Yeah. What an honor. Oh, my God. Where do you see this one? Is it the same actress?

The same actress. Yes. Yes, it is. What was it? Sandy, was it Sandy McCree? Sandy McCree. And we have T.K. Carter playing my father. Wow.

Oh, shit. What did you pull him from? Where we found him? But he is playing the hell out of my father. What the man. And he knew my father. So, you know, it was just like, it was just like so great that he came to that, that, um, tryout for the movie. And when they told us it was T.K. Carter, I was like, that's him.

Because I was going, I was going for John Witherspoon or somebody like that. Oh, word. I was going for John Witherspoon because my father was hilarious. I mean, just, just hilarious. He would do the, the whole coordinate thing. He loved the dress. You know, he was just that man. He was just that man that kept everybody laughing in the house.

Everybody that met my father called him pops. Everybody. Everybody in the projects just called him pops. When you started working on your first album on King of Stage, my man, LaVelle, we were talking off Mike. My homie, Levelle, Moulton, he's a basketball coach at my alma mater. He was from Boston. He was telling me that you used to pass out,

you was passing out tapes, like, back in the hood, Like even though, what was that like, man? It was tapes in some other things. Anyway. It wasn't just tapes. Probably the end tapes. You put a package, $20? We had packages in there.

But that was the time when, you know, I was put out a new edition. And, you know, I had one chance to, you know, do it again. And I never gave up on myself, but at the same time, the only way for me to survive at that time was to sell drugs and do what I had to do to, you know, keep my sanity, you know, from not making the little bit of money that we was making on the tours. I had to find a way to make money to take care of my baby boy. I had a baby boy. So I had to, you know, have some type of income. And, yeah, but when. girlfriend hit and it was the number one record and I was able to tour and stuff and that just opened

the door up for me to be able to do another record and then um little silas junior introduced me to um Kenny baby face edmonds and L.A. Reed and I just was like what and when you see the movie you'll know why I said what because they were they dressed like the deal like they were on the deal? Yeah. They was just, they was totally dressed wrong, you know,

and, you know. The thing, all right. The hair. They thought they was killing. And it was just like, I was like, dude. I was like, come in. Come in, guys, right?

Come here, man. Come here. Please. Please tell me I don't have to work with them. With, I know, I know where you were trying to go. Because when I purchased King of Stage, I knew,

it's weird that even though I didn't know what a new jack swing was in 1986 because technically wasn't invented yet right I kind of knew what you were going for because you know you were like beatboxing on some of the songs that Larry Black you know right but it was how hard I can tell where you were trying to go with it but either a technology or maybe Teddy just had a better vision on how to make that shit bang right yeah right so especially like with the title cut, which I thought the title cut was like, okay, that's the closest thing to a Houdini or a Run DMC sound. Did it ever occur to you to ask, who produced? Larry Smith? Yeah, Larry Smith. Did ever occur to you to go to Larry Smith, who, you know, his work with Houdini and Run DMC

was like the closest thing to an R&B hip-hop mess that there was? Like, did you get a choice in saying, I want to work with them, them, them, or was Lou Siles just like, nope, nope, you get Larry Blackman Lou Silas was like this. He was basically, if you work with these people, then you can work with whoever you wanted to work with. And that's what he told me about working with L.A. and face. Okay. So my first person I said, I told him,

I said, well, I got to go fly to New York and I got to work with Teddy Riley. How did you know about Teddy? Because Teddy was kind of improving. He was in a boys group. Kids of work. Kids of work. And he used to see him all the time walking with this Cassio keyboard.

And he used to always, I would stop him at Ray's Pizza right there on 57, just stop him and just be listening to some of the grooves he had. And it was just like, it was just like meant to be, you know. And he was telling me he was starting up a new group called Guy. And, you know, he had just finished working with this guy called Keith Swee. and he played me that and I was like, okay. I was like, well, I got some tracks that I want you to hear. And I had this one baseline that I couldn't do anything with.

And it was prerogatives baseline. And Teddy came with this groove, man, that was just, it just, it just fits so perfectly. And then I met Aaron and me and Aaron just clicked like this. Right. Aaron Hall, right? Yeah, Aaron Hall. We just clicked. I went on the subway for the first time in New York City with him to Brooklyn.

And we basically wrote the lyrics to prerogative on that subway. Aaron Hall, my prerogative? Yes, yes. I didn't know. I thought y'all did. I didn't want to seem stupid. But Gene Griffin came and messed that up, right? Yeah, Gene Griffin took all of it.

Talk about Gene Griffin, man. Took all of the credit on the record. because Teddy was in a litigation with, I guess, to people who, whoever he had signed, he had signed a production deal with somebody. And Gene Griffin put it under his name so that Teddy can receive something, you know, from prerogative. And then Teddy got his, you know, publishing and all of this stuff back. So, you know, Gene did a great thing for him. You know, he held him down.

and he helped him, you know, you know, be the business man that he is. Oh, I always thought it was a thing where he just jacked this. No, he didn't jack him. Oh, no, he didn't jack him. He was very much taking care of Teddy as well as he possibly could. I mean, no one can plan for the phenomenon

that was, don't be cruel. Like, nobody saw it coming. 30 years ago. But did you really feel as though? Because even in my mind, like, I'm just thinking, like, okay there's Michael there's Prince no one else and you know I'm just thinking like everyone else is an underling

but it's suddenly like the the people that you grow up idolizing now you're pushing them to the side a little bit so what was that transition like like have you ever personally met Michael Jackson and had interaction what was that like?

It was it was great I met him when I was with the new addition he invited new addition to his home and we We hung out with him the whole day. I mean, it was just crazy. Can you tell a story from the book? All of the animals, what?

Can you tell the story from the book about him chasing Latoya and Janet around? Yeah. Wait, what happened? Well, we were all running around and we were chasing, we were just running around. And Latoya was, you know, standing somewhere. And he smacked her on her ass. And all of us was like, wait, what? All of us was like, oh, I'd want to smack her ass so bad.

But we didn't. We didn't smack her ass like he did. But it was just, oh, my God. Just to be in, you know, I had always had a crush on Janet. Right. So it was just like, just to be in the same room with her at that time was, you know, it was, oh, my gosh. This year, she's standing right next to me. I still feel the same way about Janet.

She spoke to me. Yeah, he just met her like last week, so. Oh, yeah. I almost passed out, man. Yeah. Well, you'll see some scenes in my movie about Janet. What was you and feel different about it after that? Oh.

Oh. Okay, don't easy. Stop. No spoilers. Yeah, no spoilers. Yeah, no spoilers. All right. What was you and Ted's relationship like in the studio, man?

Like, how did y'all vibe off each other? We bobbed really well off each other, you know. It wasn't a rush thing. We knew that when we had something hot, we knew what we had. And we would take our time and take our time and get it down, get it down perfectly. And then we'll go out, you know, we'll go eat or, you know, just go chill out, play pool, you know. And then, but the first time, the first time with prerogative, he was living in the projects. So we in Harlem and the projects on the first one.

floor and you know um the booth was a bathroom you know so we literally did it in the project we did and we did prerogative recorded it in the bathroom in his apartment that's where we did the vocals what all of them what did y'all what we all record on like a four track or what it was 16 track yeah yeah i know he his setup was a ad that thing yeah okay yeah a dad yeah in the pro so the vocal we hear day was the vocal that you cut in the bathroom. We cut in the bathroom. Wow. So in your mind, whenever you hear those vocals from that record, you're just thinking of like, oh, there's two breast toothpaste.

Some close up, right? Cleans. They don't make close up anymore? No. I don't know. That hot ass name toothpaste. Only in the bodega. Red shit. Just make it hot mouth ass close up. That shit in Dollar General. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, boy. Keep that in a hug. No, the one thing I remember, you know, about recording that song was just, you know, the kinship, you know, between me, Aaron, him. Big Bub was even there. Oh, wow. You know, so it was a bunch of singers and, you know, a bunch of people that love music and love being a part of, you know, what music was going to become. And it was just fun to just be around it, you know, and all of us out there giving a 110 percent, you know, trying to make it out.

I knew that Aaron was a singer, but I read somewhere, was Aaron a keyboard player as well? Aaron can play the piano like, like, what's his name, with all the jury? Liberace. Wait, word? Aaron can play the piano like Liberace. I mean, play the piano. Play. You were checked, did you track the majority of the album in New York City?

No. The majority of the album was done here in Silver Lake. Okay. With L.A. and FACE. And me and Teddy did our stuff over there in New York. And then I did some more stuff in the Bay Area. And then, you know, just mostly L.A., though. You guys recorded 40 songs for the album.

How did you... Yeah. How many of them, like, did you ever revisit any of them later on? Yeah, I still have them in my garage, actually. Yeah, the master's in my garage. Yes. They are. Are we ever going to hear any of it?

I don't know yet. I don't know. I think, you know, I'm letting my son listen to a bunch of them and see what he likes and see how, you know, he feels about him. because he's recording his album right now. So I'm really looking forward to helping both my oldest son and my middle son are both, you know, recording artists. So, you know, I'm just trying to lay back

and let them do what they do. And then when I see him, you know, going stray, I'll pull a coat and, you know. What's their names? Because I feel like most of us feel like you know. Bobby Jr. and Landon. And Landon, yes. Yes.

Yes. Oh, nice. What was the workflow like? You talk about you and Teddy's vibe. What was the difference with Elian Face? What were they like in the studio, like, in y'all session? Because of the person that I am, they have to go with the flow. They had to go with how I was.

This is Bobby Brown session. Wow. You mean like, I'll be there at three means that I'll be there at 5.30. Okay. No matter who you was working with, they had to adjust. Yeah, basically because, you know, it was just sometimes I'm late. I mean, sometimes you've got to be 90 minutes in your second. But I've learned a new way of living and being late is not cool, you know.

Need to be on time so that you can get your work done and be able to do what you need to do. Stop looking at me. Oh, I wasn't. I was, I was, just stop looking. I'm over here. Shut up. You're a little late looking at it. Whatever, Steve.

Once Don't Be Cruel became, the album, once it becomes just this monster. Yeah. Man, everywhere. How did your life change then? What happens? Oh, boy, I started touring a lot more. Of course, I was touring with...

The Heartbreak Tour. The Heartbreak Tour, I was touring with them. I was opening up for Al-Bee Shore. And then Donpie Crew hit and prerogative hit and... Y'all had to switch. We'd have to switch. And then, you know, of course, you know, started having problems because, you know, New Edition was, you know, kind of hating on me because of the success of Donpie Crew.

And they didn't want me to, you know, film the Roney video on that tour. So I told them, okay, well, if they, if they can film. Roni, I'll have them film y'all's show. So I paid for the, you know, cameras to film their show. And so then I was like, I talked to Al Heyman, who was the promoter. And I was like, that name keeps coming up, man. I was like, dude, I need my own tour. I got to go out on my own tour.

And he said, okay. So we went, got LaVert and Karen White. That's right. And we went out and just, and just smashed. And we toured for over three years with that album. Yeah, my sister saw a Heartbreak tour and the Don't Be Cruel tour without me. And I still hate him for it. Having technically yet to see the biopic, and you address it in the Roney video.

But what was the situation with my memory's foggy? What arena had a problem with either you dancing or? It was Georgia. I guess they had heard about my stage show, but they still wanted me to come to Georgia. The police had told me right before the concert, no sexual innuendos, no getting close to the girls.

Can't bring girls up on your stage. How do they even know that that's coming? We don't want, we don't want to see you pelvic thrusting or anything. So they didn't want Bobby Brown. I mean, that's what I was saying. How do they know it was coming? Because it's like you've yet to come. They had heard.

The word had been spreading, you know, throughout the country on how I performed. That's why they called me bad boy. Okay. You pumped really hard. But we, I remember, you know, we remember watching like, I. You know, let me break. Come on. I did used to get in trouble for, you know, imitate and Bobby Brown dancing.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did the body brown. The body brown pelvic thrust for me, it got me in trouble in fourth grade. We were doing a talent show and I was going to dance and I opened up with four pelvic thrust. It was over.

My teacher just pushed. She was like, no, please. Come sit down over here. It was over. Well, fourth grade, yeah. It was about the same for me too. My little nine-year-old is pumping down. Is it weird for?

Dude, stop. Is it weird for your kids to discover that you're not dad, you're that guy I'm seen on television? No, how do they discover? No, they basically know. I try to show them as much as possible about me. That I'm the king. Yeah.

I try to show my son, my nine-year-old Cassius, he's a dancer himself. He's a ballroom. He does ballroom dancing, you know. Already? Yes. Oh, my God. You should see his little.

hips doing the tango and doing the cha-cha and all of this. I mean, and he's won six competitions by him and his little dance partner. Damn, just little girl. I love the little kids. Oh, my God. I mean, he has his fingers, holds the head up and his shoulders and the hips. I mean. That's straight.

That's so dope. And so, the last one, he just ended. up jumped up in the end came down in full split I was wow it's a rap man please you know what after you did what you did did they physically come out and stop the show and arrest you no they waited for me to come off stage oh so they let the show going and they had to it's not it's not depicted like that in the movie because we didn't have time to you know technicality yeah so this is what happened um when I got out of stage I had my brother put on my robe and they followed him out at first.

Diversion. Diversion and I was in one of the anvil cases. Oh. And they were they was pushing the anvil case up the hill and they took the thing off of Tommy and realized it wasn't me. So they followed the anvil case and soon as they opened the envelope case, the cops were right there. Wow. Worst way to get caught when you thought you was safe.

Yeah. Trying to evade police. Another charge. Wait a minute. That's weird. Because that's what I remember about the show that I saw. You guys used to enter in this like this Trojan horse sort of vehicle where they had to push y'all to the stage inside of this wooden device. Uh-huh.

So girls wouldn't attack y'all. Yes. Y'all were like the original kings of Amble case. Yeah, we would do that. We would do that. That was one of the tricks of Brooke Payne. And just of the trade, you know, we liked being attacked. Yeah, we were young like that.

We were young, but we was, you know, girl crazy. So we loved, you know, being able to see all of the chicks, all of the young little hotties, you know. Right, right. We were cool with that. But, you know, not our managers. They was like, oh, girls are only going to get y'all in trouble. We was like, well, that's some trouble we would like to be. Give me that trouble.

Man, please answer for us, who was Jackie? Oh, God, damn. Yes. Who was Jack? Was that just a rhyme scheme? Was that just a rhyme scheme? There was no Jackie. There was no Jackie.

We heard that why I heard once, did smooth be of nice and smooth? Did he write that rhyme? Was it him? Or did you write it? No, he didn't write that rhyme. He didn't write that one. Okay. No, he didn't write that one.

So Jackie was wrong. Hey, listen, that's what we heard. So Jackie was just a rhyme scheme for where eyes can see? I don't know. Kids can see. I see. Well, speaking of us, well,

no, I'm just going to say we're not going to do like we did the baby face where we just wrapped the whole thing. No, please don't. Yeah, we hear. Speaking of smooth B, like, I know that

your peers were mostly rap. Like, who was your click as far as, like, your, when you were hanging and, and it was smooth. It was, you know, at times. Kooji rap at times,

at times, well Houdini, of course. Right. There was a bunch. I mean, I used to hang out with rappers a lot. Where? In New York? In New York. Just going to- Latin quarters?

Oh! Ladies and gentlemen, we got it! We got it! I've been waiting to gas. 19 weeks to finally get a Latin quarter story. Oh, my God. You don't understand.

It's inside, like, our first 20 episodes, everybody in their mother, they were tired to me asking about Latin quarter stories. So I stopped. Finally. I got a Latin quarter story. Tell me. Let's go. I once saw a very well-known rapper, very well-known.

Got hat. He wears a hat all the time. L-L. Okay. I saw him get his chain snaps. Oh, red, black and quarters. And it was just, it was, oh, it was bad. It was bad.

It was bad because, you know, it was these Brooklyn cats. And it was just like, oh, man. And they was like, they was for real about it. They was not, you know, trying to give him his jewelry back at all. And they just bounced with his chain. And I was like, damn. And Elle was like, you know Elle. I didn't care

I'm we'll have another one tomorrow You know What was the allure of that place Because all I know is that it was dangerous Yeah And you could get snatched You know You can't shine too much

The danger part of it was It was one way in One way out There was no side doors Right Latin courts in the middle of the block Right It didn't have

I mean Next to it was a store or this. But Latin quarters was one way in and one way out. And it was hot. And all of the chicks went there. And we were just, you know. So it was worth risking your life to hear all the hip-hop that you did. Yes.

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This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. From the time that it was four years, I think it was four years from the time of Don't Be Cruel to Bobby, what took so long for the follow-up? Just wanting to break because Don't Be Crew tour was grueling. Like I said, it was three years of touring, you know, the world. And when I decided to go back in,

I really wanted a lot more of Teddy's funkiness on the album. You know, I was strained first. away from the sounds of you know LA and baby face and um so I just took my time with this that one and you know we came up with what we came up with and I think that's one of the most funkiest albums no it's my favorite that's my favorite that's my favorite Bobby album I was one more night and one yeah too can play that game yeah that was just jam after jam on yeah like what who decided the singles picking the singles because like

Humping around, I mean, it was a big hit. But when I heard it, I was just like, okay, this is kind of like my prerogative. But then when I bought the album, my uncle, he had it. And I would listen to it on his big speakers. And, man, you had like some sweet fucking songs on that album. And I was like, man. And why weren't they singles too? Yeah, like, I was like, yo, this is, like this is, it sounded to me, it sounded like the next progression.

It was like, okay, don't be cruel. Was bad boy Bobby or whatever? But then, but Bobby was like, it sounded like growth. It was. I love that album, man. I felt it was. but you know with L.A. and Babyface

becoming such a popular duo with all of the music they was doing for everybody else I think Lil Silas felt that it should be a face an L.A. and face record that drops first

and I was moving towards you know getaway or to play that game. I was getting away. That's the way of you. That's the way that big. That's the one. I was like, that's the one right there.

I love that record. So, you know, it's just creative differences. And, you know, I went with it, you know. But, of course, we still sold three million copies of that. You know, and it was like, I mean, after my first album, almost going gold, King of Stage. And then for Don't Be Cruel to sell 12 million, I'm just in the States alone.

I felt that, you know, Bobby album, you know, I thought it was going to do more, but at the same time, I appreciated who bought it. Man, you know, because it was, it was just, it was just a project that I was really passionate about. And I had a lot of fun doing the tour. That tour was, that tour was mean for me. That tour was mean because I got a chance to go back

to all of different countries and continents and all of the cities in the, and just perform this funky album, this funky music that made me feel good, you know? Yeah. And that made others feel good. And I was just really proud of that album. No, you should be, man.

For the longest time in high school, well, it was, yeah, middle school, going in high school. College girl remained a staple on my soul jam tape. Oh, my God. So thank you for that. I used to kick you that. You mentioned, like, touring it all over the world. In your book, you mentioned the Bobby O's fan group in Japan.

Oh, yeah. Can you tell us about that? Because that seems kind of weird. The Bobbyos, they would, it was guys and girls. They would tan their bodies to my complexion. And they would wear clothes like me, and they would all have gumbies. Oh, how do they get those? Dog, they found a way.

Moose? There were some questillos too, man. Oh, for real? Yeah, that was weird to see. Wow. They would be super orange with these Afros. Like, they wouldn't per them there, they would purring their hairs,

but it would look like African-American. And freak the shit out of me. Wow. Yeah, man. But in Japan, you never find more loyal fans in the world. You never find more loyal fans. I mean, they come in droves and they'll keep coming. Every time you go back, there they go again.

What were some of the other places? Were you able to hit Africa while you were touring anywhere in Africa? I played Sun City at one time, and that was... You played Sun City? Yes. And that was... What is Sun City? Wait, what year did you play Sun City?

It was the year that... You should have played Sun City? Yeah, I should have. Yeah. Oh, it was past Mandela. Okay, okay. Yeah, he was home. Yeah, okay, so basically in, in 85, Sylvia on Sopranos,

Little Stephen. Okay. Yeah. Little Stephen kind of organized kind of a protest record, a We Are the World-esque protest record, called Sun City, in which basically he didn't want American artists going over there to play. To play South Africa. Yeah, to play South Africa.

The video was weird, too. I was like Miles Davis walking down. It was a Mely Mel. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy. I think I remember that song too. Yeah, it was like, neck and neck with King Island. And, uh, but the thing was is that some artists were sort of crossing the protest line.

Like, I know that that's why Mylon Williams had left the Commodores and Thomas McClary because, you know, South Africa would basically offer artists like five times the dollars to go over there to play. And, you know, see that you show solidarity. and not play it or you sell your soul and some artists would cross that line so but yeah by the time and Delo came home 92, 93 then it was okay to play Sun City oh man we jumped the hell of a bit

ghostbusters thank you I was wondering yeah we got yeah we got over Ghostbusters man like talk about doing the song and like being in the movie I'm with Ghostbusters they approached me to write a song for the soundtrack and I did And I wrote a song called We're Back.

Oh, yeah. The evil. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's my shit. I wrote that first. And then I gave him that one, and they was like, we love it, we love it. We just need one more. Can you give us one more?

And I was like, you know what? Let L.A. and baby face right here. Yo, I ain't got no more words that I can say about ghosts. About ghosts and evil and shit. I'm not in that frame of mind right now. You know, but the thing was, if I wrote the song, I told them, I want to be in the movie also. Yes. You know, so they put that in the contract.

And then when I got on our own, from facing them, I was like, okay. So we dropped the, when we put the single out, we put on our own on the B side, and we're back on the A side. But we did the video for on our own. So as many as they sold, I still get my publishing from the back because it's the A side. I never knew that where on our own was the B side. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that either. I always thought that was the main join.

Oh, you also did a thin line between. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, we got to talk about that and like, and Panther. But, you go. You can play that game too. Sabo's bad, baby. He had a dope-ass song in the soundtrack, too.

partner. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I love acting. I love being a part of, you know, just the hurry up and wait situation. Showing up in time and waiting. Yeah, you're just waiting your trailer and you go out there, you work for four minutes

and go back in your trailer and you're in there for three hours and I love that, you know, and you getting a check too? Yeah. Oh yeah, just let me chill in my trailer. What was it like when Martin, man? How was your... Me and Martin was really cool. we had so much fun on that set, man.

It was just like, I don't know. It was basically a party because he was directing, you know. Yeah, he did. And it was just a lot of fun. You know, the whole cast, you know, we just, we just joked around all the time. Was that role meant for you? Yeah, he wrote it for me, yeah. Was Lynn Whitfield, because she played the hell out of that role and she did.

Yeah, she scared me. She scared the shit out of me because she stayed in character offset. Oh. Oh. Yeah. Y'all making jokes, she wasn't. She wasn't playing. She kept their face straight like this.

And she was just walking around looking at people all weird and shit. And I was like, I was like, something wrong with that. It's crazy. And then after we wrapped, she was like, oh my God. Ooh. I'm so glad I can come out of that. I was like, we are too. Shit.

You got nice to mass stuff out here. Well, you did Panther with Mario Van Peebles. How did that come together? That came together. I met with Mario at his office, and he was like, he had this thing for me. He said, I got something for you, man. And I got something that I really think you're going to, you know, you could really come across and really good. I'm going to team you up with Chris Rock.

And you and him are going to, and he explained the characters and how he was supposed to be. And I was just like, I was like, oh, shit. This is going to be some funny shit. Sapool's back, baby. Tell him he's back. I know y'all going to kill me. Chris Rock was in Manhattan? Yes.

Yeah, I'm not. I'm saying the same thing I was with you. I didn't remember. I'm sorry. You got to look, man. I said, I said, I still put me to show.

Hold on. So, since we're talking about acting and you just played that, I got to ask you about the 227 guest spot. Yes. Because after that, I was sure that I'll be good to you

was going to be the next single. I was waiting for that damn video. Oh, man. No, I just didn't, at that point, I didn't want to do any of the, you know, other songs that everybody

normally hears from me. So I figured, you know, on 227, I was just like, yeah, let me, I'll do this one. And unfortunately that it came out really, really good. I loved being able to perform it like I did in the classroom. And Regina jumping in and dancing with me, that was just a lot of fun. And being on that set, Molly Gibbs is, oh, my God, what a gym. She's a beautiful, beautiful, one of the most kindest women I've ever met in my life, other than my mom. She is really kind, and I got a story about that.

She was, we were all backstage, and I'm thinking, you know, I've got to go to the bathroom, and I walk into the wrong room, and Mala's trying to get drunk. I saw Moller's assing her. She had on a stock And she was trying to pull her dress up She was like boy close that door I'm sorry I just had to I had to I'm sorry for giving

Oh boy Okay That's dope When you did after After Bobby And then forever It was like five years in between Yeah

You scrapped the record in between there Didn't you? Yeah I think it was the forever album that I had scrapped. I didn't want to put it out because the record was done, so I had did it so early,

you know, and I like to try to space the albums out, you know. Yeah, and it creates, you know, a mystique to the name Bobby Brown. But with Forever, I was truly in love, you know, and I just wrote songs

that were about, you know, love. I loved feeling inside. Yeah, I love that record. Feeling inside, huh? You liked that, right? Yeah, I did. Don't stand that damn good. Don't make me feel like I said something wrong now.

No, I just couldn't stand the record. Really? I just felt like. I don't know. I just don't know. I just don't know. You think you were too close to it? I mean, I don't know.

Jeff Redd, wait a minute, Jeff Redd. You called me, yeah. Yeah, he did. the record and you know at the time he was a and r up at um MCA yeah and I was like dude we're not we're not dropping that first I don't want to drop that first I like he was like but he had more pull over there and he was like yeah I think we should drop this one I was like because you did you did it right I liked it because it was kind of a different feel for you like yeah and like the way you sang on that record you hadn't really kind

of done things like that before so I was like yeah I'm with this Okay, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Because there's so many songs that I've recorded that I didn't like, like, don't be cruel. I didn't like that. What?

I didn't like every little step. What? What? Let's talk about. Last talk. We did. Blastformism. Yeah.

Lightning about to strike. Every little step. I mean. Why do I feel that even 30 years after the fact, you're still lukewarm on your working relationship with L.A. and face. Like, no, no, we're good. We're good. Me and Face are really good. First of all, can you settle this whole...

That was really Ralph singing on every little step? Oh, okay, okay. Whatever. Who started that or... I don't know who's about it, but that is definitely a lie. Okay. So what did you not like? Please, don't be cruel.

What were wrong? Don't be cool. I just thought it was too slow. What? Oh, man. I thought it was too slow. That's like the... Man, Sue.

That's how... That's how... That's how... Come on, what? It's a jam. You wanted to get to go, Jevo. And then I started thinking, you know, that it sounded like Casanova. Oh, I can see that.

I can see that. But you see it was a jam too, though. That was a jam for big people to damn to. Like, you got to. Yeah, yeah, because that was like, well, that was 88. So that was like, I was like third grade. So we would have our dance. You know, I was always a man of husk.

So that's the heavy D. Yeah, that was the, yo, the big, man, what? But we have routines in that joint. Which one came first, though, Cassanova? Cassanova was like 87. That was the Callaway brothers. Yeah, Calaway brothers. Yeah, that one.

You would have made that you on a house record. You wanted to back. See, I'd have put a little bit more funk on it. As it started to grow on me when I was on tour, it just grew on me, you know, especially when we put the rap in it. Because first we dropped it and we had to drop it without the rap because radio would not play rap at the time. Really?

No rap. So you all did it at an edited version without that? We put it out the first time without the rap. And then the radio was playing it, but it wasn't really going nowhere. So we took, we stopped that, we brought that one back and put out my prerogative. Like we pulled the single, pulled don't be crew and put out my prerogative and boom, we hit them. We got pop radio. We, you know, we started getting all the ads.

And then we put the rap on the don't be crew. and put it back out right after prerogative. So it was like a switcheroo. What was the effects of that when you put the rap back on? What did you see? It was number one. That was the club. Yeah, that's the part.

Everyone, that's when they started really, really playing rap music on the pop radio stations. Because it was like they had to. I'm really shocked at your disposition. Man, don't be cruel. If you didn't like it, were you hesitant to name the title after the record? No, no. No, I thought I'm a big Elvis Presley fan.

It was like, I'm going to take over. Don't be cruel. I'm, yeah. The king. So then every little step, what is the problem? Yeah, why do you like that one? Was it the haircut? The same verse?

Yeah, it took parts of that, parts of that. And then I just thought it was bubble gummish. Wait, why was it just, why was it one verse sung twice the same? Now I'm doing, wait, didn't face already reveal that to us? Or am I just discovering that right now? He did, he revealed it. I can't remember. So, it was about the student.

No, no, it was the same verse. It was the same thing. It was the same verse. It was just sung differently. Yeah. Of the Saturday Love syndrome. It was the same thing. Yeah, Saturday Love, yeah.

Man, so did you like Roney? Because that's like my favorite. Okay, you like that. All the balance. My arms on that. Make sure. Did you like Rony, Bobby? Here's a random-ass question that probably I'm the only one that's interesting.

How involved were you with the Dance You Know It Remix album? Yes. Very. Okay. Yeah. Because I felt, you know, if I wasn't going to drop an album right away, that the best thing to do is remix and resell the same songs that we just sold. It worked.

And it was it was, it was it? That was the remix is in the key of B? Was it that? No, there was Dance You Know for the Don't Be Cruel album. In The Key of B was for the body. That was Bobby. Yeah. I had them mixed up.

Drop it on the one. Where is the B. Brown Posse? Everywhere. Everywhere. We're starting to rebuild right now. Word. We are definitely starting to rebuild with my sons and I have this other artist. His name is, damn, can I just forget his name?

Uh-oh. This is an artist named Frank Stickums and got a guy named Tim Campbell. And then we still have stock. styles are still out there. Yeah, yeah. I'll keep it going. In your book you were talking about, you know, you guys recorded a lot of stuff

for your label that you had. Do you ever think any of that stuff is going to come out? Never know, you know. I just got to go in them, I got to, I mean, my garage is stacked with just reels and reels and reels. And I just got to find time to, you know,

go through them and I mean if you need somebody to help you I volunteer yeah okay yeah I volunteer his tribute yeah I'd like to know what was the uh the process of reuniting the group back together for the the home the home again album like I know it was an extension of the the get back the remix of a word to the word to the brother yeah right but how how is that organized. I just missed my crew. I missed all the guys. I missed the camaraderie that we have. I missed

just my friends just being out on the road with them. And I was like, man, this time, I think it's time we get together and we do something. What went wrong with it? We were all crazy. We were all crazy. But did it last at least the

the full tour. That's the only time I didn't get to see I didn't get to see him that year either. I didn't get to see you guys. I still have it to. I don't know if it lasted the whole tour. I don't know I don't even know that because I mean at that time I was in a funk I was in a real bad way you know with using drugs and things like that and it was just it was just not a good time for me in my life and I'm and I was still rolling you know I was still on the road and not taking care of myself And it was just a bad time.

And, you know, we ended up, I ended up losing my damn mind. And you'll see it in my film. And I just snapped, you know, and just went crazy for a little while and had to come off tour and, you know, get some help. And I'm grateful that I did. Now, was it always all good with the introduction of Johnny? Yeah, that was my question. I was like, if it was, it was great.

but I always as a fan, I was like, was that that easy? Well, me and Johnny have never had a problem since I found out that he wasn't there to replace me. You know, he was there to replace Ralph because Ralph was going to go solo. So I was just like, oh, okay, well, me and you got no problems then because, you know, I was, I was Eddie Kane, Jr. at that time. How long did it take for you to get that information? Nobody said that yet a cave. But wait, well, how long did it take for you to get that information that, look, this is what it. No, they told me Mike, Ricky and Ronnie and them told me.

And then, you know, me being close to Ralph, Ralph was telling him he had been playing me his album, you know, because me and Ralph was like this. And he had been playing me his music and stuff. And I was like, yeah, that's, you got to blow. You play sensitivity? Nah, this is even before. This was before sensitivity. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he had a bomb album that he did with this.

Who was he working with? You know the producers? Just a guy named Dwayne, Dwayne in Boston. I forget his name. But, yeah, they had some hot stuff, man. And I was just like, yeah, that's shit's going to kick. They hinted at that in the new edition movie. Were they actually using the music that Roth had recorded for that record?

Because they were playing some songs. I don't think so. Did you treat the relationship with new kids on the block the same way as Johnny? in that way like well or I guess I should say so was there I still be more toward Maurice in that way than

No no we We really didn't care We was just We were mad that They They cornered the merch The merch The merch department

They made more money With their merchandise Than their records Than their records So it was Couldn't go to class without seeing Like 18 girls And new kids on the block

She had the t-shirts The sweatshirts. They had them. Trapper keepers and shit. They had everything. You said trapper keepers. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Because it was a trapper keep. Wait, pillows. Yeah. All kind of shit. Wait, side question. I'm about to derail into a rabbit hole. But you're a dad.

It's almost back to school time. Oh, yeah. It's already the best. I've already got all to school. And I'm not a dad, so I got a note. Are they still using notebooks anymore? They don't use trapper keepers. Like, the trapper keepers done.

They do have notebooks. But what's fly now is that they have companies now. that you can prepay for your back-to-school supplies. And when your kid get to school, the box will just be there with their name on it. Oh, damn. So that's what I do. Like, I bought like my son.

You Amazon your son. You're an Amazon Prime that nigger's supplies. I'm not going to Target and spending all that time in there. That's so fun. Oh, man. That's a shame. That shit ain't fun. No, I get him and you just send him

and he gets to school the first day. His name is on the box and he's good to go. All right, so I hate to keep referencing things in your book, but your book is really good, and I hope people keep it, like, from me asking you to tell these stories, we'll go out and buy it. There's a story about Mike Tyson in the book. Is this in the movie? Do you know where I'm going? No, it's not in the movie. Can you tell the story about night partying with Mike Tyson and what happened the day after? Well, it was, we was in Japan, and we hooked up in Japan.

Is this when he lost a Buster Douglas? Yes. Thanks for spoiling the story for us. Well, we knew he lost. I mean, that way. But you didn't know that's where this was going. I'll take the edit out. Well, listen, we basically stayed up all night partying.

Okay. With like maybe 12 Japanese girls and just me and Mike. And it was just the funniest night ever. We had a ball, but it was just the funniest. night ever. I kept telling them. I kept telling them. And I kept telling them. I was like, Mike, you need to go get some sleep. You got to fight tomorrow. He's like, Bobby, listen, Boston Duggis is, he's an amateur. He said, I could beat him if I didn't sleep for five weeks. He said, he said, watch how quick this fight ends. This is going to be one of my quickest fights.

I was like, Mike, all right. He was like, don't worry, man. You worry so much. I was like, all right. Pride goes before the fall. And lo and behold, I had to go to Osaka, and I couldn't go to the fight. I had to go to Osaka.

And I'm sitting there at this emperor's place, and he has it on this big screen, and I'm like, we're watching it. And I'm looking at Mike, and I'm seeing the fatigue in him. And I was just like, oh shit. And then them punches came. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And I just started crying like a baby.

You're a different. I cried so bad. You don't understand. I was in like fifth grade when that happened. Man, wasn't that shit like watching Superman like God? Yeah. That was. That hurt.

That hurt. I mean, it hurt me to my core. I was just like I couldn't breathe. And I had to go on stage. So I was just like, I think that's when I started having panic attacks, you know, and just like, I was like, oh, my God, he's going to kill me. He's going, he's just going, he's just going to destroy me when he sees me. But I was like, I was like, yo, but then I started thinking about it. You told him to go home.

I kept telling this one to go to bed. Why would he be mad at me? What was it like after y'all met? After the fight, he called me on the phone. He said, Bob, you was right. He said, you were so right. He said, I was so sleepy in there. My legs were, my legs were mush in there.

He said, that's why customer told me don't have sex before a fight. I was like, yeah, and you had a lot of sex. Exactly. Oh, man. You had a lot of sex. It wasn't just one person. you have a lot of sex. No more body in the fluid's left.

He had to replenish. Oh, God. You wasn't drinking alkaline then. Bad. What you said? Drinking alkaline water. Yeah. Replenishes,

electrone. So, like, what's your life like now, like, on the day-to-day? Like, what you do? My life now is beautiful. I think, I'm in, I'm living my best days. Living my best life.

I ain't going back in football. You're not you, niggas. I love that. Shoulders. No, I'm so happy. As y'all know, I'm married. I've been married to my wife, Alicia. For the last six years, we've been together for about 10.

And then we have three kids, a two-year-old, a three-year-old, and a nine-year-old. So how many kids is that for you? That's six. Six. Okay, got you. Six. All right, I know I have it on good authority as a foodie. Uh-huh.

That your fried chicken game is bar none. Hands down. It's Tina Ferris. Look at Tina. Oh, my God. Wait, I saw someone in the other room like, look like, I told you, didn't. And this is not the cocaine fried chicken. No, this is not the cocaine fried chicken.

Okay, please. All right, cool. Was that real? But it would make you addicted. like Coke. Yeah. No, I have, you know, we have a food line. I know.

Bobby Brown Foods.com. And we make barbecue sauces, all natural, gluten-free, kosher, you know, all of the, all of the natural ingredients that we put in there are fresh. And we basically make it and bottle it while it's hot so that, you know, it's the real deal, you know um okay then we have the fried chicken mix which you can cook pork chicken fish with the fried chicken mix is called brown bag in it we give you a bag yeah the new man you had the brown bag yes you give you a bag you you get it comes in a bag and you can use that bag to shake it shake your stuff up and what's this boston blend for keeping the hood blend Boston blend is like

a rub or you know just like a everyday pepper which is which is also all natural You got recipes, yes, Bobby's barbecue salmon Yes, options for vegetarians That's right Speaking of seafood And the everyday seasoning is also It's like a It's like lorries

But it's a lot Better, a lot of less salt And it's also You know gluten-free and all natural We're gonna copse I'm gonna cop some of that Speaking of seafood I understand you're big into sushi Is that right? I am

I am Have you ever been to Giro's in Japan? Jiro's right. Giro's, yes. I don't think so. He's the god of sushi. Oh, yeah?

Sensi. He's like 89 years old, but... I have to check him out next time. You got to see his... On his Netflix, you got to see his documentary. Jero dreams the sushi. And like, it's a pilgrimage. Like, his meals are like...

Six, 700 dollars each. But it's people... People make pilgrimages over there. It's almost like going to confessional. Just to fuck with him. Yeah, like it's just you and him alone in the room and he feed you, you know, the best sushi you've ever had in your life. Wow. I remember, I remember going, when I first ate sushi, I ate sushi in Japan at the Empress Palace.

Okay. He invited us over me and my whole crew. We had just finished doing Tokyo Dome for the seventh night. Okay. And he invited us over and, I mean, the palace was so beautiful. and he just, we were like skeptical of trying sushi, but it was like, this was so long ago. This was before all of these sushi restaurants

started popping up here in America. And man, I swear on my life, this food was so good. It was, oh, my God. And they had temporas and all of that. They had these little white fish that, tempora, and I mean, oh. I can still taste it right now. That's how good it was.

And then I tried all of the other, you know, raw fish and things like that. Got my kids into it, you know, my older kids. And then I started telling them that the, you know, the wasabi was dessert and that was their ice cream. Oh. That's not fun. That's not nice. That's not cool. I did it to my brother first.

And he took a scoop and put it all the way in his mouth And he was like, and he doesn't like anything hot And his eyes just popped out of his head He was like, oh, I'm going to kill you. Snow started running, eyes started tearing up. I was like, Before I forget, talk to us about how you had Bostown in Atlanta and then how it became Stanconia.

Okay. An outcast in that connection. I forgot. Well, Bostown was a place where, where we did all of the recordings for, you know, most of my stuff that I did with B. Brown Posse. And we would bring it out, you know, track. We do lots of tracks.

We had three studios. But I just got tired of Atlanta. You know, when I was getting ready to get married to Whitney, I was just tired of Atlanta. I was tired of being there and tired of the whole Atlanta scene, you know. Because what years were you there from? Ooh, I want to say 88, 87 to 90. 87 and 90?

Okay. So was that? 87 to 92. Okay. So that was Freaknik still running? Freak was, yeah. They canceled Freak Nick back in, um. It was like 95, 90.

Was it? No, 90. Was that really? Yeah. Around 90 because it was, it was, it was wild. It was wild. I have never seen so many strip clubs on, and, in my life.

I mean strip club on every corner. Every corner. Yeah, I never got a chance to go. I was like, isn't this the Bible Belt state? Apparently not. Yeah, Atlanta is just, I mean, where you know, like Atlanta is just like one speck of black people, but Georgia, like, is a whole. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it's real. I'm from, I'm born and raised North Carolina. So, like, my buddies, my homies would drive down to Freak Nick, but I never got chance to go. I was too young. Yeah, Freak Nick was, wow. So you had the studio there. You had Boss Town. I had Boss Town there.

And I guess, you know, I told L.A. that I wanted to sell it. And he said, well, I got some guys that might want to buy it off you. And lo and behold, it was Outcast, you know, the dungeon crew. And I sold it to them and moved on, you know, didn't look back. I hear you. Well, you know, Brother Brown, we thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

You know, listen, bro, like, for real, like you are a survivor. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you. Straight up. And I want to thank you for all the sacrifices that you and the guys of new addition made because you guys basically gave up your childhood just to entertain us.

You want to thank you for that. Thank you. You made a lot of people very happy. Thanks. Y'all made us happy. I mean, y'all didn't have to listen, but you did. Oh, no. We had to.

We had to listen. It was too good. What else was going to put on my cake, take? Oh, my God. Oh, God. All right. On behalf of Team Supreme, Laiaaia and Fantigolo and Sugar Steve, you cool? Yeah, I'm cooling it now.

I'm cool now. Austin Unpaid Bill. Questlove, thank you, Bobby, once again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. You got it, bud. This is Questlove Supreme, only on Pandora.

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