The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Bonnie Raitt

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

Celebrate Women's History Month with this stellar 2022 conversation with the LEGENDARY Bonnie Raitt. The Grammy Award winner discusses continuing Blues traditions and ensuring the pioneers got paid. She recalls some experiences of making a 50-plus-year career in at least one previously male-dominated genre. Bonnie also explains why she cannot perform a show without playing one of her most impactful hits.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Hey, what's up, y'all? March is Women's History Month. As we celebrate at QLS, we're going to look back at this classic episode from 2022 with Bonnie Reed, discussing her journey and passion for helping blues legends benefit from their drill blazing. You look gorgeous. Oh, thank you. I figured you guys would be colorful and I was going to do the green and purple and red hair thing.

I love it. Working for you. Yes. Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, this is. Questlove Supreme. My name, of course, is Questlove Jenkins. We are joined by the Almighty Team Supreme members starting up Power Forward. My main man, Unpaid Bill. How are you, sir? Fantastic. Power Forward. I like it. Number four. I'll take it. I'm proud to say that I've

gotten Unpaid Bill off the ledge, and I think I made him watch his first episode of Euphoria last night. Oh, me too. I'm on it. Oh, man. I had a full-on panic. attack and that turned it off. Euphoria is the new, uh, it's, to me, it's the new contraception. It's, it's the new don't do drugs. If you have the new don't have girls daughter. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's, it's the new do not have kids.

Yes, exactly. Laiia up next, she's our center. Oh, I did play sit there on the boys and girls club in the paint. I did. How did you know that? Yes. I just took a while guess. How are, how are you this, uh,

This lovely evening, why? I'm trying not to embarrass y'all and breaking the tears as I am in the presence of a queen. So just, you know, just to bear with me because this is a lot. Okay, so our power for it is, uh, sugar Steve. You got to stop with the sports analogy. Yeah, that's just your go to, Steve. Like, I'm a small floor. I'm a small four.

Yeah, I could shoot the three. So just passes to me outside. And, uh, Oh. Okay. They just call me downtown Stevie Brown. So. All right. Well, I made you my power forward still, Steve.

And, you know, of course, my, my shooting guard right here is Fonticolo. Yes, indeed. With Carolina zone. How are you? Shout out to the shooters and the shooters only. I'm good, man. I'm good, man. I'm happy to be here.

This, um, this, this interview, this is, this is going to be a lot of fun because I remember looking in the paper as a kid and the luck of the draw album was always on the, to charge. Oh my God. Exactly. Well, that's it. Ladies and gentlemen, I will say, I'll try not to goosh over the

intro too long, but I got to pull out the commemorative one for this. I'll say that our guest tonight, probably the most truest sense of the word is an artist. And the truest sense of the word of artists that the industry has ever known, I think, for the last

five decades. She's held a torch super high. for, I mean, just the lost art of sheer authentic blues madness in addition to other genres of music. She's a supreme songwriter, bullseye vocalist, hands down, all-star level, Delta Blues guitar, mastery. And I'm not even going to, I'm not going to frame it like she can hang with the greats. As far as I'm concerned, the greats are trying to hang with her.

Oh. And after, oh, no, it gets even better. After, yeah, two decades. After a 20-year run of critical claim after critical claim release, I will say that in 1989, the stars aligned when after nine or ten attempts, I believe, I think it's your tenth album, the world finally caught up to her level of soulful rock and blues magic with a little bitty album called Nick of Time, which, in my opinion, is one of the most well-deserved.

comeback stories. But, you know, I know most artists are like, I never left. You know, it's not like an overnight success thing. It garnered her album of the year, accolades, platinum glory, a whole new fan base that resonated and related to her outlook of a generation, getting mature in a new decade, which, you know, the 90s were upon us by that point. You remember the 90s people? 30 years ago.

Yes, exactly. Oh, who. Not to be out done. I'll say that her follow-up album, Luck of the Draw, with the Immortal Classic, I Can't Make You Love Me. Don't say it. It's an even bigger monster. Wait, it's to sit me right now that my third book

might be named after a Bonnie Ratesaw. I definitely remember one of the last conversations Rich and I having about naming something to food about. And I remember him mentioning Bonnie Rate. So one of my last. conversations with my manager before he passed. It's just hitting me right now. Her legend status, of course, came full circle in 2000, I believe, when she was inducted

to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I can say for myself personally that her actual story, her entire story, has been an inspiration for me as a kind of blueprint in terms of artists that are trying to stay true to their integrity without, and trying to find a space to also make a living. and connect with their fan base. Of course, this upcoming summer, she'll be conducting a tour with another great Mavis Staples.

I can go on and on and on, but please, let's just get to it. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to QLS, 10-time Grammy winner, master musician, singer-songwriter, overall legend, Bonnie Rae.

Yes. Thank you. Yes, indeed. Yes. In the paint with my buds here. Thank you. Yes, absolutely. Yes, indeed.

Where are you talking to us right now? down from where are you at? I'm out in Marin County about 15 minutes north at Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco where it is truly beautiful and we got some much needed rain for a minute last night. Whoa, I never heard a Californian actually welcome rain. Normally it's the opposite where I hear them always complaining about rain. We need it. We're in a serious drought, man. You saw those terrible wildfires. Oh, the fires. In the west. Yeah. Okay. We need some walk. We need some water. Water. Santa Ana season. Santa Ana winds coming. All right. So have you, how long have you lived out in that area?

Well, I go back and forth to L.A. where I was raised, but I got too much traffic, too much show business. And once I got sober about 35 years ago, I was up in the daytime and I went, man, this place, this is not beautiful. And I had been there so many years. I always wanted to move to where the Redwoods were and where I could hike and breathe a clean air. be near the ocean. So I've been here like maybe a little over 30 years and I go back and forth when I rehearse and go into the show business world. I go down to L.A. and then up here, I'm in the chill in the redwoods kind of thing. I love it. Just go to L.A. get your money and then go back home. I love it. You got that right. So you're recommending that if I were to choose

a place to live in California. Because I mean, I'll admit to you, I'm probably one of the few people that I might pretend to be, you know, everyone pretends that they're so jaded with L.A. Like, I can't stand it's so fake, so phony, whatever. I'm not, because I don't live there, I still look forward to always coming to L.A. Like, it's still, there's still a little bit of magic luster to me. But you're saying.

I feel the same way because I don't live there anymore. So when I go there, I get a kick out of it. And it's really, there's a very, there's some really cool stuff in L.A. There's a lot of stuff, but it's really crowded. And at some point, when you're on the road, as much as I am and in a hotel, downtown, you know, sometimes you just want nature and you want some quiet, peace and quiet. So were you going to ask where I would recommend? Yes.

Well, I'll tell you what, if I didn't have some success with Nick of Time, I probably couldn't afford to have moved here. So that is one thing. Let's talk about it. You know, there's some communities that are affordable in California that are also beautiful. but man, that you have to go a long way to get there. So if you want to be near an airport and hospital and I don't know. I think Marin County, Sonoma County, Napa County, those are all great, but you've got to be worried about the fires.

And, you know, in the East Coast you get worried about flooding and some extreme weather that you guys have been having. But I don't know. I just love all the parts of California for lots of different reasons. The same way I love all the parts of this country. When people ask me what's your favorite, I go, man the northwest no it's new orleans no no it's Texas no it's but northern California is where I choose to live because the weather is really nice you can go

outside every day and you know it's kind of in in the vicinity of some cool cultural scenes in Oakland and Berkeley and San Francisco and yet I got the mountains and can have the solace of being in nature Roger okay so we're all moving next to you right now we can all right but that means we're in a lot raises. Raises is coming because, man, that's the second highest place, you know, most expensive place you live in the country. When I moved here, you know, I just on the tail end of where I thought was going to be a bunch of, you know, hippies and drug dealers and shrinks and stuff and just, but man, it got, it got soccer mom pretty fast. I see. I see. So I start off every episode

with the same question, so you're no exception to the rule. Could you please give me your very first musical memory? Oh, I think my dad, who was a Broadway leading man, singing the songs from his show with my mom warming him up on the piano. She was his musical director and rehearsal pianist, and I remember being really little and hearing this big, old booming voice singing these great Rogers and Hammerstein songs. So I'd have to say my folks playing in the house. were you what was your sibling situation how many were you two brothers two brothers on either side two years old or two years younger i'm the only girl wow wow so okay you were you were what was that like for you like in terms of trying to find space oh you know i just i lies my older brother and i want

i was a serious tomboy i got the i got the right after i stopped playing with dolls and stuff So I scuffed up and just got real good at sports and cut my hair just like my older brother. And I just got the picture early on that women had to do all this stupid stuff to make themselves pretty and liked. And I just didn't dig it. So I just sort of stayed with that one of the guys thing for a long time. And look how I ended up. I'm one of the guys in my band. Okay.

At that mean you can really fight, Bonnie? Like did your brothers? Well, we were Quaker, so we didn't fight. That's right. That's right. I punched my little, I got my little brother pretty bad one time, but no, I just, I think I love being the only girl in between my brothers. But, you know, when you hit 12 and your brother ditches you, because he's, you know, when I'm 10 and he's 12 and 11, 13, you know, they just sort of reject you.

And then you're just left to go, oh, my God, what's this puberty thing, you know? Oh, yeah. So all bets were off, I had to be. become a girl after all. Okay, so I'm actually glad you said that because I'm currently dating a Quaker right now. Get out of here. And this is one of those things that, you know, like when someone's so obvious and you're afraid to ask questions because you feel like you should know it already, what exactly

differentiates a Quaker from a civilian, if you will? Oh, well, the short version of it for lay people is, um, My folks were both raised Scotch Presbyterian for my dad and my mom was the daughter of a Methodist minister. And they both, after the Second World War, they decided to become Quakers because they were really the, it's not an anti-religion, but there's no altar, there's no minister, there's no, people sit in a circle and you just get quiet and anybody that's moved to stand up and speak can speak. there's a belief in pacifism because there's that of God and every person and if you love the divine then you don't want to kill somebody and the idea is to appeal to that of God and another person and reach a conflict resolution and treat like Jesus would you know just see that of God and the other person and turn the other cheek and try to find a way to get along so

that's the short skim the stone across the lake version but the sort of the sort of The social version of Quakers is they're the ones on the ponchos on the peace march that help ban the bomb. They stood up for social justice. They stood up for humanitarian. They go all around the world and are accepted in areas of conflict because they don't take sides. All the way back to slavery too, right, Bonnie? Like they were helping in the Underground Railroad. Quakers had a belief that everybody was equal and that nobody was above anyone else and they got persecuted from it and shoved out of England because they were.

wouldn't take their hat off to the king, and they were thrashed and flogged in public. So I like their kind of rebel spirit, and I like their, the teachings of real nonviolence and love thy neighbor, come to roost and the Quakers really well. So you're, okay, you're, okay, now I get, I get it guys. She made that sound so badass, like Quakers. Oh, Gracie's trying to turn me into a Quaker. I get it now. Well, you don't have to listen to a boring sermon, that's for sure, but I'll tell you what, I'm to music because they're, you know, I listen to gospel music in LA. I turn on a black gospel station on Sunday mornings and go, man, that's, I dig the Quakers and all that, but when you're, when you're eight, you don't want to hold still for an hour, you know?

Right. So there was absolutely no musical worship, not none whatsoever? No, none of that, but we, you know, we sure made up for it. I just remember playing a lot of ping pong in Sunday school. Oh, really? She's about to turn a lot of people. Listen. Well, well, you know, your parents, you know, Quaker. meeting you were really quiet it's like meditation a group meditation and kids are squirmy you know so you're you're probably too squirmie to be a quaker this no you don't even understand this explains everything I didn't realize this is where my life is headed yes I ain't mad you could do worse you could do worse you know Quakers are really cool there they stand up for their beliefs

there they go to jail and conscientious objectors and you know they got a great history fighting slavery and being on the right side. And now Richard Nixon was a Quaker, but that's a different range. Oh, wait. What? Different branch of Quakers that had a minister. You know, they also are really simple. They don't believe in, you know,

buying stuff and adorning themselves with things that you don't need. It's not as severe as the shakers who don't even use buttons. Remember that witness movie with Harris? Yeah, we're here. Yes. I love that. I love that when Ivan Neville

was in my band for a long time, and he said, our expression was, Alexander Goodenough played the boyfriend that was pissed off that Kelly McGillis was harboring Harrison Ford. He comes out wearing her ex-husband, her dead husband's clothes

and they're way too small for him. And Good Enough looks at him and goes, very plain. Very plain. So that's what Ivan said. Ivan said the rest of his time with us. I said, how are you doing? He's going, very plain.

That was a real movie. A small, a little, little, Quest Love Supreme Tidbit trivia in 1984. So for those, I mean, for the three of you who listen to the show that don't realize my beginnings. Hi, Mom. My father was a notable oldies duop singer back in the 50s, you know, kind of made a living in the 70s and 80s on the, you know, on the on the, on the on the on the on the duop circuit. And as, you know, you get up in age, like around your 40s and your 50s, so does your fan base. And of course, like the way that my life is now where, you know, all the CEOs of all these companies or whatever, like went to college back when the roots were first starting.

My dad was actually offered the role of Danny Glover and witness. Whoa, man. It's one of my biggest regrets when like some guy walked up to him. He came to a show and he's like Lee, I'm such a fan of yours and da-da-da-da-da-da. And there's a script. They sent a script to witness to the house. And I was like, it's a small world you could do. But, you know, my father was very insecure about his reading and talked himself out of what I call he manifucked it.

He, he sabotaged. Oh, he was chicken. I got offered a role in Death Becomes Her. There's a bartender. They ended up writing it out, but Tracy Ellman did it. But I was too chicken, man. I mean, I'm pretty ballsy on stage. You know, I got one personality, but in my real life, you know, acting is like, oh, turn the cameras on.

I get nervous. So, but I, you know, there's, I understand that getting too chicken when it comes down to being on a film. That reminds me that I'm currently reading a book right now. that is sort of my Bible. I gifted it to about 200 of my friends for Christmas. It's written by an author called Gay Hendricks, and it's called The Big League. And I forgot.

Yes, chapter four is about your story. And it's just said to me, I didn't even make the connection that I'm actually talking to you right now. Wow, I didn't even know he put me in a book. I hope it was all good stuff. Yeah, what's about me? What's the chapter? The big leap is basically, you know, as I've explained, if there was ever a story that I wish that I could give to people, that I give the story to people that I feel that are on the rise to another plateau.

Because basically Gay Hendricks says that we are psychologically programmed to not enjoy happiness for more than 30 seconds before we instantly. Like, I can have a moment right now where it's like, yo, I'm so excited to talk to Bonnie Rite right now. But then in the back of my mind, I'll say, oh, shit, I forgot to turn the oven off. Or is my mom okay? You don't stay in the moment. Right.

And so it's because I know so many artists that are sort of subconscious self-sabotors. Yep. But he talks with the territory. So he talks about how you made a decision to, leave your comfort zone. And he says that we all have something called the upper limit problem, which is you get to a, you get to a sky is a limit place where you're just like, I'm comfortable here. I'm comfortable doing my podcast.

I'm comfortable doing this. And I don't want to do anything else. And how you made an active decision to move into uncomfortable spaces. And he basically said that you manifested your. nick of time moment. Like literally you, you, you saw yourself getting on stage accepting the award. I did, well, I did, there was a cassette. When I first got sober, I got a Lazarus, you know, some channeled guy,

somebody gave me these cassettes and this guy was channeling this person who doesn't talk anything like this other guy. I don't know if you guys have ever heard anybody that channels someone from another realm and you don't even know whether you care whether that's real. I do this all the time, yes. But, I mean, that was what's so cool. And I remember doing this thing, like it said, concentrate, you know, picture yourself doing something that you really, really would like, like either be married with kids and

playing with them on the carpet or something that is just out of the realm of possibility, but you wish what happened. And I said, oh, this is crazy. And, you know, I had been dropped by my label. I hadn't made the album with Nick of Time signed a new contract yet. And I just had this beautiful rebirth of being so. over. I just took to it really well, and I was healthy. I lost a bunch of weight, and I was just so grateful. And I picture, I said, okay, I'll pick the wackiest thing I can think of. I'm standing

on the stage at the Grammys in this gold jacket, and I'm thanking people at the podium, at the Shrine Auditorium. And they said, now picture yourself and go up about 30 degrees and hold that image from the back as if you're looking down from another plane, and hold that for about 30 seconds, you know, a few times a day and see what happens. So I did it, you know, just for a goof and then forgot all about it. And then it wasn't until luck of the draw that I turned to Don was, and I said, oh my God, he said something about, you know, manifesting. And I went, get out of here. Because I had totally forgotten that I had really just made that leap. And I remember Gaye saying, how I asked him how he was doing. and gay said, I'm really happy.

I made a decision to be happy. He said, all you have to do is make a decision to overcome that self-doubt in the back of your mind. Well, your dad could have been a movie star. Yeah. Well, I'm literally, I'll say that that book, there's about 10 books I recommend, but of all, I'll say the 40 books I've read in the last two years, basically since like March of 2020, the pandemic started. This is the book that I feel has resonated with my community.

Like this morning I gave it to Janelle James, you know. Like the second, like the second that I hear any artists do a self-doubt thing. Like we have a friend named Janelle James who's like excellent stand-up comedian and she's now pivoting into comedic actress on a show called Abbott Elementary. And she's killing it. And she is killing that shit. Is she the lead of it? She's the principal.

She's the principal. She's the principal. Yeah, she is dope. She's really funny. She's like the Kramer. Right. And so I told her like, you're so good that I will, I mean, I don't know why with the television academy.

I haven't been as vigilant as I've been with the Tonys and the Oscars and the Grammys. But I told her, I'm actually going to send it in my form so that I can vote for you to be. best supporting actress. Good for you. But she kind of like duck and dyes like, oh no, you know, whatever. And that triggers me. And instantly I was like, nope, I'm getting you in this book right now.

Like, nothing triggers me more than self-downing people. So it's called the big leap to everybody listening. And it is available on iBooks. And I'm buying it and not waiting to be the 200th and 10th friend to get it. I will buy it for you. It's okay, boy, I got $15. Come on, man. Okay.

Yeah, no, seriously, it's a short book. If you get the audio book, you'll be finished in two days. But it's probably the most crucial book. And literally the Bonnie Raid chapter is what I'm using right now. Cool. For my situation in four weeks. I like that Bonnie Raid didn't even know that there was a chapter about them. Me too, right?

I think that's even better. Yeah. I like that. I didn't even make the correlation that the person that made me do my morning mirror exercise is, I'm talking to her, and I totally forgot that. It's great. And so what's great. This, this synchronicity of this stuff is pretty amazing, isn't it?

Yes. Well, clearly you guys have your pastor over there in the corner. But wait, so, Bonnie, do you do more now? Do you do more manifest than? Do you do more kind of like, you know, I try to, I know that, I mean, I can't really say ever did that. I've, I've told people about the miracle. of that because I just because especially because I forgot about it and then that exact thing

happened but I think if you imagine something that you really want like when I have friends that are ill I picture them up and about and recovered and I picture that really hard and that trick about this is not from Gay Hendrix but the the channeling Lazarus that standing above and looking down at at the you know burning that into your mind that here's my My friend who's ill, not only is he out of bed, but he's walking around taking a, you know, we're taking a walk in the park and going to go get some, get a salad someplace, you know, and just imagine that. Just picture us, just picture it, picture it.

I think there's really great power in it. I'm doing it. Like, I think a lot of people who are listening. Amir, you know, on play. When I get this kind of information, use it. Yeah. I'm not, I'm chuckling because it just hit me that this might be the six Questlove Supreme in a row that that has been more about self-improvement

and like we're about to be lifestyle improvement instead of music. You know what? You got to fix the inner to get the outer. You know what I mean? Music all comes from the same source. Absolutely. If you got, as Robert Johnson said,

Stones in my pathway, you know, you've got to move them out of the way and let that flow happen. Absolutely. I agree with you. I mean, self-doubt. Self-doubt is an interesting source of songs. I mean, I wrote a funk jazzy song on my new record called Waiting for You to Blow about the little devil on your shoulder just going,

come on, I know you're going to mess up. Come on, have another piece of pie. You know, stay up late, forget, lie about returning those emails. You know, oh, I meant, I did send them, you know, all that ways that you flirt with the dark side. And, you know, that's just part of being human. And then you forgive yourself and pay attention and move on. but you know, you've got to pay attention. 2%.

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You say, you know, it's been 35 years. Yeah. Sobriety is something that is tough in any aspect, but particularly in the context of the music business, I imagine this, you know, even crazier. How have you stayed sober all these years? Well, for starters, the inspiration of seeing how many people didn't make it, you know, losing friend after friend to either deliberate or accidental or just lifestyle caught up with them.

and that doesn't even have to be, you know, drugs and alcohol, it can be workaholism or, you know, gambling or food or whatever, you know, the ways that you're just kind of filling that hole. And once you understand about the addictive personality or that, and, you know, a lot of us just developed an allergy to drugs and alcohol as we got in our, for me, a lot of us in our late 30s couldn't get away with what we got away with for those first 20 years. And it just didn't look good. You know, I got fat. I mean, I wasn't messing up my shows.

I mean, audiences love blues singers that are heavy, you know, and have man problems. Oh, look at her, you know. That's the Mary J. Blige syndrome. We seem to only like her when she's depressed. When she's sad, right? You know, who want, you know, Edda lost a lot of weight. She said, I wonder people are still going to want to come see me, you know? I said, girl.

So anyway, how I stay sober, I, it wasn't, I was. really lucky and really blessed because there's a whole lot of people in our industry who had to stop. And I'm one of the people that needed to stop. It worked better for me right away. And that because of those people in those rooms and those meetings, they're professional parties. So their stories are better. They're funnier. We all help each other. So it's not something you do alone. But it's really the community, I know anywhere in the world when I have issues, I can go to any meeting either virtually or in any town. I've been in meetings in Russia, in Australia with like pirates down by the docks, you know, guys that look like Popeye with no teeth with 150 tattoos,

you know, and you hear those stories about how they stay sober, you know. It's kind of a cool fellowship. So it was, it was an unexpected non-cult kind of a thing. I thought it was going to be a bunch of moonies talking about Jesus all the time. But it's not. I always wondered about that, because there been a few times where I thought that I too would have to sort of flirt with circles of meetings and whatnot. And then I always talk myself out of it because, you know, I felt like post-social media age, like there is no such thing as being anonymous. But there was never, there was never any trepidation of like, you know, oh my God,

it's fucking violenty rate sitting here in our circle with, you know, that sort of thing. I was really nervous about it, which is why in my case and a lot of my other friends, there was a musicians meeting. I know there's lawyers ones, there's doctors ones, because doctors are afraid they're going to run into their patients. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's the cat who operated from my mom, and it didn't go well.

You know, now I know why. You know, and the lawyers... Oh, man. Damn, I never thought about it that way. I mean, imagine going to an AA meeting and seeing the judge that sent your... Right. You know what I'm saying? So I could dig why people go to a community, industry, in our industry.

So I've been doing a Zoom meeting with people that are in the industry, and people are really respectful. And we all need the same thing. So the musicians meeting really gave me the confidence and the anonymity and took the pressure off. But then I just wear a hat. And I don't even, people don't know it's me when I go on the road. if I go to a meeting, you know, they just don't, they're only interested in your first name and your story.

So, but, you know, I've walked down Fifth Avenue with Whoopi Goldberg, I don't think she could ever disguise herself. So, you know, Questlove, you might have a hard time being anonymous, but I think if you just pick and you get used to it, it's after about the second meeting, you don't even think about it. Okay. No, no, I've gotten away with many non-crime crime in terms of, His hat gang.

Shut up. Now, you're being sarcastic. No, I'm serious. No, it's all about hats. And for me, it's covering up this little skunk streak I've had since I was 24. I've got to do it too. It's the only real color I have on my head. But the hat, and if I don't wear eye makeup, man, people do not get it.

But when I check in my luggage outdoors on the cat and the curb at the airport, the guy's going, give him something to talk about. The porters always Skycaps always know it's me. Now we just check in with a kiosk, but... Can you tell me, do you remember the first record that you ever purchased?

Yeah, it was Odetta. Oh, Deta. It was like, I didn't have a lot of money, but I spent my allowance on a record store where we could go into Wallach's Music City and put the headphones on. And I went to summer camp while my dad was on tour doing Broadway shows in regional theaters and summer stock. John Rae, we should also mention that your father's the legendary John Raite theater actor.

Broadway leading man, yeah, from Carousel and Pajama Game in Oklahoma. So he made his living touring three months every summer, and their friends had a Quaker friends had a camp with all counselors from all around the world and UN kids, you know, just every stripe, every possible. permutation of religion and color and background. And we all went to this camp and our counselors were mad for folk music. So that's how I got way into it and I idolized my counselor and she turned me on to Odetta and Joan Baez.

And I went home and begged for a guitar for Christmas and just sat there and taught myself to play until my little fingers were bleeding. And that was that Odetta record, she continued to be an inspiration to me. But that was, I'd never heard a voice like that in my life. So you were self-taught, or did you have any lessons at all? I had piano lessons for five years, but the teacher didn't want to let me learn. Back then, they didn't let you learn pop music. So I switched, I had gotten pretty good on the guitar, taught myself to finger pick, but I never had any lessons.

So I do positions of the chords and the slide guitar I play on the wrong finger, because I taught myself entirely in my room without anybody showing me. And I played by ears. So by the time I was around other guitar players and saw that you'd play E in this position and you're supposed to use your fingers for this, for that chord, too late, I already was doing it. So, you know, every time I've heard you speak about music, either, you know, like you'll do these shows

where you'll tell stories and whatnot. Like I always felt like you were a serious musician and a serious advocate for like all these blues greats that, you know, that aren't really champion by like the mainstream press and whatnot. But I always wanted to know because, I mean, you're coming, you're coming of age when the British invasion starting and all these things. Like in your teen years, like you just didn't listen to like the Archie's yummy, yummy, yummy, yummy, or just like just like for a fluffy pop music. You know, L.A. was all that when I was in junior high school, it was a super. super fad for the beach boys and surfing came in.

So all the guys had their hair like Dennis Wilson and bleached it blonde. And, you know, it just was too plastic. At the time, I wanted to be a beatnik and a jazzer. And I was a member of Core and Snick. And, you know, because we were Quaker. I just couldn't wait to get old enough to go to Greenwich Village. Snick, Snick. Yeah.

I'm joining. I'm telling you. I know. I know. And I was like reading. sing-out magazine. I just wanted, I went to camp in the East Coast with all these liberal, lefty international counselors and campers.

And L.A. just seemed really plastic. So I loved, when people have asked me, how did you get into R&B and blues? And I said, you know, early on, I knew the difference between Bill Haley and Little Richard and Pat Boone and, you know, Fats Domino was like. like a god to me. You know, Chuck Barry, come on. Chuck Barry was like the most gorgeous guy I'd ever seen, and he played the hell out of the guitar. His grooves were halacious. So Fats, you know, Lloyd Price, oh my God. I mean, and then somebody gave me when I was 12, a guy who sold Channelmaster TV antennas gave RCA on the Channelmaster, and he said, hey, Bonnie

likes music, and he gave me a box of 12 Ray Charles albums that I, you know, at that at that age at 12 I would have never been able to afford or even know them about. So I got genius plus soul equals jazz. I got Ray Charles and Betty Carter. The album dedicated to you, you know, all the named after the cities. I mean, you talk about learning how to sing. That was between listening to gospel on Sunday on the radio and all of the R&B records that I just mentioned, you know, Major Lance. And then Motown came in. That was it. I was just the Motown until Aretha Franklin and Stacks and Sam and Dave, total soul music hound, but I didn't hear about electric blues until the Rolling Stones played Little Red Rooster and Howland Wolf and Muddy Waters. And then I got,

I think like a lot of kids in the mid-60s, we got turned on to our own musical heritage by the Brits. So I was just a total blues hound. Okay, I was going to say that I worked with Marshall Chess a few times. you know, in the early aughts, and he was telling me stories about trying to convince his dad and a lot of the older blues artists on that label to sort of loosen up

and get with the times of like black psychedelic rock and all these things, like especially with the Muddy Waters record. What was the, wait, Steve, didn't you engineer that project that we did? Like it was... Electric Muddy. Yeah, the electric mud stuff.

So when... I mean, I didn't engineer the original electric mud. I'm not. How old are you? I'm not about I say, how old are you? No, no, but. Yeah, that was one of the greatest fold-out album cover pictures of all time. That and Isaac Hayes, the fold-out picture that turned into a poster, I had them in my house, Isaac and Muddy.

Like, hello. Really? Only in a Quaker house, Dornette. No, no, I was out. I was out the house by then. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah. So what I wanted to know was, okay, so.

as a true fan of the blues, like I know that older blues fans, some of them scoffed that like, yo, yourself, like similar to Dylan getting some pushback for going electric, that there were some authentic blues fans

that felt like, you know, like now these guys are trying to sell out to get a younger, to get the hippies and, you know, to get a wider audience and all those things. But did those particular,

Now, from my standpoint, I loved electric mud. Like, half of the first Cypress Hill album is from, you know, the electric mud record. And what's the other title? What's his name, Hates? Me, Fathers and Sons? Well, no, no, the title's really, he hates this album. It was like a sarcastic album title. Like Muddy Waters hates his second album.

Oh, God, I don't know. I just didn't, I didn't relate to those records. Right. No, no, no, but I meant like for you to hear at least, I mean, I would think that you release in your early teens when that came out. Did you? Well, I was in the middle teens and I didn't dig it. You know, I love those early Muddy Waters records. I mean, that's some of the greatest playing of any band ever.

Howland Wolf Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker's original records? Oh, geez. So that's sort of like Nosegling Trapper. Yeah, I'm not a big psychedelic. I didn't like, I thought the playing on. I haven't heard electric mud in a long time. I did buy it, but I haven't heard it in a long time, but I did have that album in the robes.

I mean, and his hair, come on. It was, and then I had no idea. I'd be, like, really good friends with Muddy all those years later. So, you know, we, I wanted to have an open mind about the sessions that they did with, you know, English guys, and I just didn't think it sounded as good as the originals. I was, I was prejudiced. it's the other way, you know, as our, I wasn't open-minded.

Because even now with hip-hop, like, there's a lot of our greats that, you know, have decisions to make. Like, should they readjust their, like, for example, Nas is a great example of that. Like, right now, Nas is about to see probably some of his best success,

sort of getting a little younger with, who's producing this, Hit Boy. Yeah, hit boy. Hit Boy, which, of course, you know, his older fans are like, you know, the album that Nas made 25 years ago is like, you know, that's their North Star. And, you know, I'm happy for success. I'm happy for success now.

But, you know, but I also feel like maybe that's us also secretly just saying that we wish that time would stand still. That's exactly what it is. You can never compete with nobody's nostalgia, bro. Like, you know, the ears, the ears don't. You don't, you know, if your ears don't dig something. I mean, everybody's got the right to do whatever they do in their musical path, and nobody wants to get stuck or bored.

And people have the right to go more commercial if they're sick of being obscure. But you've got to really dig it. You've got to love what you're, the combination of your new collaboration and being put through the new producers, you've got to love it and not do it for commercial reasons, in my opinion. Yeah, because you're not guaranteed to have that commercial success. Yeah, and if your fans don't dig it, you know, that's, you know, it's their choice to stick with older stuff, you know. But. But. So that's the funny rate of it, right? Like, that's what you were talking about earlier about what's special about your music in a way is because when, that's what Amir was saying, when you can stay true to yourself and still reach these levels of success and, you know, cross over, but you're not changing who you are.

Well, that was a lot of things happened at that particular time where my, my, my guild, you know, the Recording Academy, gave me some props at a time when the public at large, like I've never been nominated for a People's Choice Award, American Music Award, or any of that kind of stuff. So it was really 5,000 people were voting for Grammys, and I think Don Henley and Tom Petty probably canceled each other out, and I just kind of eked by by a few, you know, and got it out of a year.

I mean, it sold a million before. You're the people's champ, honey? You don't feel like you're a people's champ? No, no. No, I like being a cult artist. And after that initial first two albums with Nick of Time, and look at a draw. Then all of the regime that promoted me got fired at Capitol.

And I had eight presidents in the 15 years that I was on that label. I don't even think I was on there that long. And every time you make a relationship with radio and they come to your shows after the show on tour and you have these relationships with the promotion people, and then they fire everybody and bring in new people that have no relationship. You start over. My third album that should have done just as well

would love sneaking up on you on it. You know, went from 7 million records to 2 million because there was nobody coming in the shows. There was no relationship. I didn't go to the radio station. They didn't have any free tickets for me to say hello to them afterwards. And, you know, it just petered out.

And then, frankly, the ageism in the music business, you know, at 45, almost every woman, especially, gets booted off even VH1. So you become the legacy artist. But, you know, I'm happy selling 3,000 seats at the Beacon Theater. Two nights at the Beacon, that's a hell of a crowd, you know, for me. So I'm grateful to have no pressure.

I never wanted the pressure of having to follow up another record or be compared to how successful this one was. I just want to artistically keep getting good reviews and having people go, she did it again, there she goes, she did it again. But, you know, like everybody else, I have my favorite albums of my favorite artists. And while I'm on that, I just have to say, this show has had some of the most incredible conversations with people that I love and goes so deep. The one with Bruce Hornsby just slayed me. Oh, man.

That's my jam. If I can only have one artist on a desert island for the rest of my life, it would be Bruce Hornsby. Why, Bruce? Just listen to the introduction of I Can't Make You Love Me or the end of innocence. for Mandolin Rain. Mandolin rain. Oh my God. And love me still too.

Oh my God. That is the one for me. Shaka. And you guys talked about that on the show. I learned a whole lot on the show. It was great. Wow. Thank you.

I'm good. I didn't know. Keep it on you with me. Listen to me. Talk about basketball. There was a lot of basketball in that show, too. Yeah. Right.

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What the process was? Well, because I wasn't expecting to do this for a living and I just happened to be dating the Dick Waterman who managed Sun House and Mississippi Fred McDowell and had helped rediscover son, the father of Delta Blues, and brought him out and put a lot of the blues artists under one agency so that these club owners couldn't say, hey, we've already had our older black guy this month. Why should we pay your guy $800 and we got him for $500? You know, excuse me. So he consolidated him in kind of a guild of badass and the rate kept their prices up and didn't let him. didn't get them, these young blues fans that were managing these guys,

was running them ragged. They were like in their 60s and making to play three shows a night and taking half their money. And anyway, it's a sorted story. But Dick Waterman was really instrumental in bringing Buddy Guy and Junior Wells out of Chicago. Big Boar Arthur crude up. He got the royalty, finally got royalty reform. And Elvis Presley finally after Arthur died,

they settled the estate with Elvis Presley. finally got some money for that's all right mama i mean just the man was so i had uh i had access to opening the shows for my heroes i didn't i wasn't threatening i was cheap i played my own guitar you know i carried my own guitar i didn't need a band and um i got my foot in the door just opening for my heroes and somebody dick's lawyer nat weiss well it was the lawyer that was handling, he was Brian Epstein's partner in the States, and he, George Harrison wanted buddy guy on Apple, and Eric Clapton wanted him on RSO. So they were, they brought Dick, and I went to the meeting when, when, and Nat We said, no, I think you should sign with Atlantic. And meanwhile, we

became friends, and I was playing the gas light opening for Fred McDowell. And Nat came down and he went, oh man, you got, you got something there. And so he called all these record labels and had them send scouts down. And the other scouts saw the other scout. And they went, what do this guy know, you know? So he drummed up this interest in me. But I always knew I wanted to go with Warner's because they had Rai Kuder and Randy Newman and James Taylor.

And I went out to L.A. on Capitol's dime and played at the Trubidor and did a showcase. But in the afternoon, I snuck over to Warner Brothers and said, I want to come on your label. I asked for 100% total artistic control. I said, don't give me. I'll just give me the budget. I'll make the record, no advance. If I save anything after making the record, I'll buy myself a new Volvo or something.

And I said, just don't tell me when to record with who to work, what to sing, and how to look. And I'll work my ass off for you. And they went for it at 21. So wait a minute. You're saying that you were out there to talk to Capitol. They paid for the trip, yeah. Right. And instead you, wow. Well, I mean, I was open. I was open to it. But in my heart, if I could get Warner Brothers interested,

Randy Newman and Rikuta were like, you know, Apollo and Zeus to me. You know, that was just. And Warner Brothers said we make our money from Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. We don't care if you're not a hit record. You can do whatever you want. Wow. You know, little, they had little feet. They gave, we believe in you. You're not a singles artist.

We have the Grateful Dead. We'll make our money from these other guys. So I thought that was so righteous. Who was the CEO of Warner at that time that gave you a freedom? Well, Moe Austin and Joe Smith were the reprise and Warner Brothers, two pairs in the same funky old building that no longer existed. So they were a family kind of a joint, you know? It was like.

So, yeah, can you also, this is what I always wanted to know. I don't know. I think one trip to Japan, I think I've ran across like a Warner Brothers EPK, where not since the days of Motown that I see this thing were like, all the Warner Brothers artists would travel together. like I think I was looking up like old Graham Central Station footage but it was like the Doobie brothers Bonnie Ray dun-da-da-da-da Graham Central Station

it was like, was it always like that where there was a Warner Brothers touring season where they decided- Well, I didn't get to go. I had so many, I worked, I was booked like six months in advance for the 10 months of the next year and I made six albums in seven years and stayed on the road to hold my old 20s. I don't know how I did it,

but the Warner Brothers music show, I didn't get to go on. They went to Europe. I don't know. They must, well, you must have known if they went to Japan together. But it was little feet, mantros, the dubies. Right. It was just like, yeah. And they had that thing where team A would play this city with this set of equipment.

And then team B would, they'd leave the sound system and then swap it and take the train and go over. But I never heard of another label doing that. It was such a hip idea. Okay. They were really, like, a family-based, like small-containing. And then it was way before Warner's was, at the end of the 70s, Warner's, Electra, and Atlantic formed Wea. Wea.

It had a big, giant corporate building. And, you know, Thriller and Rumors sold 12 million copies, and Thriller was huge. And Miami Vice soundtrack, records just went were billion selling. So then when I renegoti, negotiated my deal when I was up for resigning. Walter Yetnogov tried to get me to come over to CBS when he turned James Taylor,

who had been languishing at Warner's Day. He was a big hit. And he said, I'll do for you what I did for James Taylor. And Warner's was so pissed. They matched his offer. And then they penalized me for it because I wasn't bringing in the big bucks, you know. It was all about money after that, you know.

I was going to say during that initial, period when, you know, you had the, you had the buzz, you had the critical claim. Um, shit, you even got the, the cover of Rolling Stone. Um, for you, did you, were you personally like, because oftentimes we're like, I, I have the same situation. Well, not even I. Like, both Fonte and I kind of came from situations where like, we have massive critical claims with our product.

And oftentimes, I think people would just come up to me and say like, yeah, but you guys don't care about that because you guys are real artist. You don't need to. No. Real artist still got mortgages, bro. No, I would have liked to give, I would have liked to give him my band to raise, you know what I mean? Right. Yeah. And runaway, my version of Del Shannon's runaway kind of like love and happiness, I did this kind of Al Green thing and had Michael McDonald's on it.

I know about it. Yeah. And, you know, I thought it was a hip idea. It started one of many covers that I like. to rearrange. And it got up to number 20, and then they just didn't put the damn records in the stores. You know, I wasn't a priority. And so that pissed me off, you know. It pissed me off that I was doing harder work than my record company wasn't following through. All they needed to do, if I sold 3,000 seats, there should be at least 3,000 records in that town that people can go buy after they

see the show. So, you know, everybody bitches about being not promoted, but, you know, I thought they didn't do as great a job as what I was hoping, but I agree that my music isn't that commercial and I don't look like Stevie Nix, you know what I mean? I mean, I didn't have that, I didn't have that thang that makes you go from a respected artist to, you know, like my other female compatriots. I was sitting here trying to think who were buying these peers at the time because you were talking about being on tours since you were 20-something. I heard all these male names and I'm like, where... Yeah, who were your contemporary?

Well, Linda, Linda Ronstad, Emmy Lou Harris, Maria Moldauer, Phoebe Snow, you know, yeah, we were all on tour all together. I was going to say, Phoebe Snow. Okay, good. That's what I was going to ask you. Did you get to tour with these ladies? No, we just went to each other's show because we had our own band and crew to pay for. So we, there wasn't until the Lilith Fair that they finally had women on the same bill.

That didn't happen to Lilith Fair? But, I mean, I could have, I could have done another. woman, but it was made for a better show if you had a little bit of a dis, you know, first I was playing with muddy, you know, I had Moz Allison, and I had Sippy Open and Ruth Brown and Charles Brown. So I had some debts to pay and showcase people that, you know, I wanted to showcase. But I had a lot of singer-songwriters that wrote the songs that I put on my records and I owed it to them to give them as I build up my following. I love to be able to showcase Chris Smith. But the piece that you, that was interesting that you said was that you toured,

since you toured when you were 21, I was just curious because you were one of the only females on tour at that time. And you're cheering with your... Oh, no, Emmy Lou, and Linda and Maria. No, there was lots of women touring. And I'm sure country... I don't follow country music much, but I think they were all touring. But not with you.

No, no. We all had our own bands. So that's what I was saying. Like, back in the day, it seemed like you were on tour. You know, it was a lot of fellas. There's a lot of folks that you looked up to, but that must have been an experience in itself and lessons that you learned in that way. Oh, yeah, because, you know,

if you're, if you're the only girl in the entourage, you look pretty good at two in the morning. I'm getting, no, I, but I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm just saying that you, sometimes you date within the organization. Which, which you have to be careful because you're still on that bus together for another 10 months if it doesn't work out. Yeah, awkward. You know, I'm one of those people that can sort of attest to, you know, I've, I've been really careful. on meeting my heroes. Some of them have been magical. Some of them have been not magical. Okay, yeah, some were assholes.

I know that because you're such a champion for like all these authentic blues artists, of them all, like who of that legendary circle that you grew up listening? to, from your childhood, did you really bond with personally? Oh. In your first time, not post-Nick of time, not John Lee Hooker era, but like in your initial era.

And initially, Mississippi Fred McDowell and I got to be very, very close. He's one of my favorite of the Delta Bluesmen and one of the only ones that it was alive that I had access to. And we just clicked as I later in the 90s when I got to know. him better and played a lot of shows together and did a duet. John Lee Hooker and I became really close, as did Ruth Brown and Charles Brown and I, in the middle of the 90s, we all toured a lot together. But early on, Fred McDowell and Sippy Wallace and I toured together, Sippy came out of retirement in 1972 at the Ann Arbor Blues and Jazz Festival. I didn't even know she was alive. I cut

three of her songs before I found out looking to send the checks. And she came out on stage and was only going to do a gospel song, but she heard us rehearsing Women Be Wise, her song in the trailer. And she said, oh, maybe I'll just, I had a soprano player come right up to her ear. And she probably hadn't sung it in 30 years. And she said, well, I'll just do that one song. And then people went apes you. And then she toured for the next 15 years, including us together. And there's a classic David Letterman clip with Sippy Wallace and I sing in Women Be Wise

with Dr. John on the keyboards that you've got to check out. It's like 1981 maybe or 79. Okay. But anyway, Mississippi from McDowell, he passed away when I was 21, like only a couple of years after I started being close friends with him and we toured together. It was a heartbreaking. I ended up losing a lot of the older semi-grandparent figures in my life

that I got close to. And, you know, I was very close to Muddy Water. and he passed away. And thank goodness for John Lee and Ruth Brown and Charles Brown, who I got to celebrate and have deep relationships with. So my heroes, you know, I got to be friends with. Yeah, that's a lot of history that you know. Golly, I'm sorry.

Yeah, I was going to ask your history and your relationship with another get talk of God, Stevie Ray Vaughn. Oh, my God. I'm going to have to put lipstick on for that. Go on, get your lip glove on. What would you like to know? What was your relationship like working with him and kind of what was your guys' friendship like? We were mutual fans of each other.

We got to be friends in Austin, Texas when I would come through and play. You know, one of my favorite hangouts and places to play where the music, in New Orleans and Minneapolis and Austin, the black and white music scene was not so segregated. It was really a lot of interplay, not just in blues, but in all kinds of music. You know, that's one of the reasons when I met Prince, and he said, said, oh, I've always dug your music, you know, and I said, well, how did you hear about that? And, you know, he said, you know, how did you, anyway, it was one of those things where the fabulous Thunderbirds and I did a lot of touring together, but I first met them in Texas at Anton's legendary

blues club, and the word went out about Stevie Ray Vaughn, about the Vaughn brothers, and his first album came out, and, you know, if you're a blues guitarist and a fan, the word of Stevie Ray got blasted out into the stratosphere when he played guitar on Let's Dance by David Bowie. I mean, that's one of the baddest-ass solos are performances. And then I met him, I saw him play, we toured together, we were party mates and we were sober mates. He got sober a few months before I did, not long after our tour together, by the way. And I saw him come, he came out on stage and played the night he came out of rehab and he just, he was worried that he wasn't going to have the same edge.

And he played, he burned a hole in the sun that night. It was incredible. His mom was sitting right there on the side just going, and I said, okay, that's it. That's all bets are off. This guy's on a comet. You know, the greatest guitar player in my lifetime that I've ever heard. When you're interacting with these blues greats,

is it dismaying to them? Number one, is it dismaying to them that they're not receiving more support from a blacker fan base? I can, I can sort of parallel to my situation where, like, there was definitely a period where it's just like, you know, the first seven years in my career, I was just like, wait, I guess the music that we're doing really isn't attracting the, the fan base that looks like I do. And so is it, is it mind blowing to them that this like, this white woman from, from California is doing more

the knowledge than, you know, than other black people. But also... We talk about it. So, but my other thing is, and I really wish, and I guess I have to also do the work, because I'll say that the blues is probably the one

area of music that I really, really haven't, you know, sunk my teeth into. What is, what is the criteria in your mind for what makes a great blues man, blues woman, a blues player? Like, are you listening for tone? Are you listening for dexterity? Like, is it just, yeah. You know, it's that it's so ineffable. It's really hard to explain because when people say, gee, I want to send you some songs, what are you looking for? I'm going, well, and then people send me identical copies of something to talk about or I can't make you let me.

And I go, you know, I already did that. I don't know how you've got to find something new. And what makes me go crazy for the people like Lightning Hopkins or John Lee Hooker's crawling Kingsnake Blues or Mississippi Fred McDowell, it's the soul and the intensity of what is revealed in their vocal and their body language and their marriage, if they're a guitar player or a piano player, it's one thing. Memphis Slim was just, you can't separate his body movements from his voice from his piano player.

Fred McDowell is the same thing. John Lee Hooker, oh my God. You know, it's the darkest haunting. I don't want to say it's the blues is only about. the hurtful things or the pain that's so deep because it's so erotic. Which might be by black people run away. Yeah. I just want somebody to say that.

Like, one of the reasons black people might not be just running to it is because we've been going through it and we made it. Yeah, exactly. I was going to say that it's too much of a reminder for me personally. Yeah, but I mean, it's the way that it came up when I started out was what right do you have to sing the blues? you're a white girl from California, daughter of a Broadway singer, for God's sake, how come you, you know, I said, you know, I didn't even think about it.

I just liked the music and I needed to teach myself how to play it to entertain myself in my room. I didn't ask to this. I didn't say I was great. I didn't say I had the right to do this. If you don't like the way I sing it, don't come to my gig, you know. But I'm not trying to be black. I'm not trying to usurp income. If anything, I was made to be on the earth to showcase why.

artists of that generation never got royalties and why they, Rhythm and Blues pioneers that line our record shelves never saw a penny because they're still in these oppressive, exploitive record contracts that they didn't know any better, didn't have access to legal fee lawyers, advices. They just were not cutting people in more than 2% of royalties. And out of that, they had to pay for everything. So, you know, in the early days when people would say, I would go up and ask Sippy and Fred and muddy. Like, how do you feel when you look out there and see all those white people? And he goes, you know, I wasn't expecting to be invited to go to England

or to go to invited to the Newport Folk Festival. I didn't expect for CBS to offer me a record deal, you know, for Sun House and all this. A lot of these people were retired for 25 years, and they were rediscovered by young white blues fans. And they were delighted. He said, I love playing these colleges. All these girls, like, laying on my feet in the hotel room afterwards when I'm playing the blues all night long. And these guys are, you know, treating me like I'm the second coming.

You know, he said, do you know what it's like to be ignored for all those years and not get to play? And then be celebrated and appreciated. He said, I don't care what color they are. I'm just glad they dig it, you know. But Muddy didn't have a problem with Stevie Ray or Lowell George or Mike Bloomfield or me or anybody. If somebody could play, that's the thing. If you could sing and play and impress them, you were in the club.

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to ask this question. Okay, so back in 1990, 91, when, you know, my mind, is getting more open to all types of music or whatever. So a guy like me will buy a copy of physical graffiti by Zeppelin. And, you know, and I think when you're a teenager, like between 12 and 22, your mind is just open to everything, especially if you're a music fan. Like, if you look at my record collection from 12 to 22, it'd be somewhere between the Ohio players and Debbie Gibson. Yes.

And no, but just like, right in Hopkins, like, I was just open to everything. You weren't alone. So my, oh, yes, exactly. So my whole thing is, you know, I can't divorce myself from really being in love with, like, Jimmy Page's. guitar work on the Zeppelin records. And it's only when I got older when I started like going back and reading old reviews. Like of course we're a revisionist history like Rolling Stone will say, you know, Rolling Stones will do complete issues dedicated to Zeppelin.

But back then, I didn't realize how much of a like this is fraud. Like in the same way where hip hop heads might call out an MC who isn't really of the ilk of the culture that you know, got more success and whatnot, you know, got accused of... Yeah, yeah. I know what you're saying. So, but the thing is, is that even now when I still listen to Zeppelin, like, I can't... And there's still older cats that are just like, man, fuck that shit. That's fake blues. Like, listen to the real shit. But it's like, am I wrong in thinking that... And I'm using, like, in my time of dying as an example where they're doing like bottleneck blues

slides and all those things. Slaggers, man. Yeah, like, is, were critics just hard and guarding the gate? Or was that a problem with a lot of the English blues guys? And I'm talking about Clapton. I'm talking about age. Like, what are your feelings on those, like, on? You know, Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton and Keith Richards are just, I mean,

when people fall in love with music and they adopt a stifference, that's not, comes from where they grew up. Somehow the whole culture got the blues somewhere in the mid-60s, we all got discovered and everybody was just nuts for it. And so it's a question of what you do with that appropriate, you know, it could be appropriation or it could be just absolute passion, but I think it's a good idea to try to give it back and share the stage and pay props to the people that originated the music in your interviews and in your songwriting credits, you don't take credit for a song that Willie Dixon wrote. Right.

Only settled 30 years later. Right. So, you know, there's just basic shit. Like, don't steal people's stuff, you know. I'm not saying, I'm not saying they did. I'm just saying, I'm, okay, so, but I'm just saying, how did I feel about the, do I, did I like the way they played? Like his musicianship, like, when you're, oh, Jimmy Page is unbelievable.

Unbelievable. Yeah. No, and Eric Clapton, unbelievable. Stevie Ray, Jimmy Hendricks. You know, I didn't look at it as colors. I didn't look at it as gender. I just went, this guy's a badass, you know, that kind of thing. So, but in terms of the debt that white artists owe black artists,

whose music they are making money from, you better start sharing. You take a knee financially as well. Right. Well, you created the mold. It's always wanted to know, like, were they authentic in their presentation in addition to, you know. I think they built on, they built something completely different. You know, like when the stones do, you got to move. I mean, they're not doing it exactly.

They can't sound exactly like some older guy. Right. You just do the interpretation. And if you don't like hearing, you know, it's just up to the list. or whether they think it's authentic if it moves you or not and if they mean it, I think it's got a valid reason

to exist. And your brilliance is brilliance no matter what genre it comes stems out of, you know? So, I may not be, I may not be answering that very. No, no, no, I get it.

No, no, I got it. So, okay, I'm, as many people know with the show, I bleed purple. And, you know, one of the very first times that I've heard about you in my teen years was when Prince was going to sign you to Paisley Park. And I've heard those demos.

I've heard I need a man. I've heard at least four or five of the songs he was going to submit to you. Can you talk about that? What was that whole period like when you were about to sign the Paisley Park? Well, it never got to, it never got that far. I mean, he, I had been dropped by Warner's right when I was. getting ready to go on tour with Stevie Ray Vaughn. And, you know, we had six months of band and crew work,

and I had to pull out, because without any promotion or any album to sell, we just weren't going to be able. The promoter didn't want to take an act that didn't have support from the record company. So he pulled the rug out of me and 25 people, and I had to go on tour just as a duo with a bass player and try to make a living and pay my bills,

but everybody else was out of work. And we were normally touring all the time. We didn't sell records. we just made our living touring. So somewhere in a couple of years in, Prince called and said, man, you got a raw deal. Why don't you come on over to Paisley Park, and Warner's will have to take a little lesson on how to treat somebody.

So we talked about it. I said, I don't want to go do a whole Prince record, and I know you don't want to come over in my wheelhouse. So if we can really meet in the middle and come up with something that's equally mine and yours, that would be great. And we had some couple of wonderful evenings together playing music and watching Slystone and Staples singers

and screens that were the size of the wall, you know, and I got to go in his closet and see his clothes and just, you know, it was really fun to get to know each other and we had a lot of music that we loved in common. And so I had a solo acoustic, a duo gig in Colorado playing ballrooms and ski resorts which I could make good money because I didn't have to pay for the band. So my fans got to see me up close to do acoustic versions of my songs. So I was doing really well, but I went on a ski.

It took a ski lesson and fell on the skis and broke my, landed on my thumb, with my weight of my body. And I pulled my thumb off ligament and I couldn't play. So I called Prince and said, we got a postpone it. But you know what I did? It turned out to be a blessing in disguise. and because I was heavy and I wanted to, I said, man, if this works out, I got to make a video with this guy. And I'm like 30, 40 pounds overweight and I'm going to take this opportunity while I got this cast on

to go to get to the musicians meeting and hang out with my old buddies that I used to party with, but just be sober with them. And I'll, you know, ride my bike and lose some weight. And by the time I see prints, I'll be ready to be filmed, or at least more ready. So that was a blessing. And then I went to Minneapolis, and he had already cut the songs and, you know, did all the tracks, but in the wrong key. So they weren't in my key. And there wasn't any place for me to add any musical ideas except just to play some slide on a couple of things.

Right. But there was one of the sets of lyrics was something I would never, you know, honey, you can mess around all over town, but we're still cool because there's something I like about being your fool. That can't have it. Nobody's fool. No, no. No man. But, you know, I need an M-A-N real man. I mean, it was funky-ass Minneapolis.

I mean, you know, he's just, we could have done some really cool stuff together. And he went off on tour in the summer. We made plans. I canceled my tour with my band and called my brother in Minneapolis. I said, I'm on my way. And he said, for what? Prince extended his tour and never called me. So I put my guys out of work to make the record with him.

And he never called me and just stayed over in Europe. So it was not a happy ending. But still great artist, great artist. A lot of wonderful things for women, guitar players. Bonnie, when did you pick up the slide? When did that become a thing in your arsenal? I have a theory. You were talking about matching guitars with voices.

I feel like in some way, the sides sound like your voice. Yeah. Thank you. That's how I feel about it. And I like the tone. The tone that I pick is because it's how I hear, it picks up where I leave off. And Lowell George from Littlefeet is the one that gave me a compressor so I could hang the note longer because I asked him, I said,

how are you holding that note? Because Fred McDowell should have didn't do that. And, you know, Rikuder and Lowell George are the masters, and then now we got Derek Trucks, so just, whew. But anyway, I heard Sly Guitar when I was about 14 when I got some kind of country blues records, and I taught myself to play. I tuned to an open tuning, and I soaked the label off a chorus seat and cold bottle, and I put on my middle finger, and I just, I played, I didn't have any lessons, but I hadn't seen anybody do it, but I imagined it was like my, my grandpa

had a lap steel that he'd played hymns on where he drew the bar across the neck of the guitar. So I just pretended that that was it, and just listened to that record and went, not quite, and I taught myself to play from those records and then just honed it down. You know, eventually I had to go to Electric because a lot of the keys of the blues that I like are, my voice is five keys up. And if I put the capo halfway up the neck, I can't get the octave without a longer neck. So that's why I went electric. You, of course, well, I'm saying a friend of the show because he hasn't done a show yet.

but Stephen and I worked with our good friend Don was. Could you talk about the relationship with Don and? Hal Wilner, bless rest and peace, the great Hal Williams. He called Don up and said, I would love to have you and Bonnie Raids sing, baby mine from Dumbo for this Disney tribute I'm doing. And he called me and said the same thing. He said, I don't know if, meanwhile,

I'm like a complete, was not was hound. You know, that is right, that is my jam. Those guys, those lyrics with that singer, those singers and that music, I went nuts for them. And so on this session, it went so beautifully. It's one of my favorite tracks I've ever cut, this beautiful Disney tribute. Little one, close your eye. We did like a, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

of mine. You know, just... Here goes to Aya right now. Oh, I wish I could say Aria right now. My ear's falling out. That did it too. Oh, thank you. I never thought Don would...

Turn out he was a big fan of my early records. And he couldn't believe that I was a fan. I could like quote every... Dad, I'm in jail. And I could quote all these was-not-was songs. So we were... It was a love affair, you know, and we just...

He came to my acoustic show outside of L.A. We were playing this club called The Coach House, and I think he came to that, and he saw me just playing my stuff with just in the guitar, like I did the first four years of my career before I could afford a band. And he said, you know, let's make, and I said, would you want to do a record together? And he said, yeah, but I want to do a record where let's base it on, if you could sing the song on the guitar or the piano and make me know that it's a Bonnie

rate song, then forget who's in the band. Just start with what you. you, let's pick the songs that work just by yourself, even though we used a band. That's how we made Nick of Time. We didn't have a big budget. And I suggested my drummer, Ricky Fattar, and, you know, Hutch Hutchinson, and we had Benmont Tentch, and we had Mark Goldenberg. And, you know, we just had a stellar group of players, including Randy Jacobs, but he

might have been on luck of the draw from was not was. So I told him, he didn't know about Ed Churny, and I said, there's this engineer that does Rikuter and David Linley El Raleo X records. We've got to see if he would do this because, you know, he did get rhythm by Rikuter. That album is one of my favorites. And so we met Ed,

and the three of us just hit it off and we went in the studio together. And we just, we love each other. Man, it showed up in the music. It showed it. I was just thinking that Fonte, like you could hear it. Thank you. In making that record for you,

the temptation to go to your sweet spot, which is the authentic blues, the authentic raw sound. At any point, were you nervous about kind of, and I'm not saying cleaning it up as in, you know, compromise, but there's definitely a noticeable

sonic difference in that record in your previous album. So the, Well, like, what kept you from hitting your upper limit in terms of... Oh, I see what you're saying. What, like, you know, like, this is too clean. Like, this is not bluesy enough? Well, I mean, I don't do only blues songs.

So, you know, I always have a... There's a Jackson Brown and Eric Catlove has no pride and Angel from Montgomery. I mean, there's a breadth of R&B and rock and roll, like, NRBQ songs and, you know, fabulous Thunderbirds and Chuck Berry kind of thing. There's funk tunes, and there's a lot of the ballads are very stripped down, you know, the ones that I did on The Glow. And almost every record has some kind of heartbreak song that's stripped down to just guitar, piano and bass.

And so for me, the way we approached Nick of Time wasn't that different than some of the other records that I've done. And it's just song driven, you know, whatever the song needs. And in terms of the sound of it, that's Ed, Churny is really, you know, he knows we want a really organic sound. And you get the right players and I don't know if this works for you guys, but if you get the right song and the right players in the room and you get an engineer that knows where to put the mics and which mics to use on which instruments, and you just let it happen. You know, you don't rehearse, you don't

open the oven door and try to, you know, you just set the stage and let it go. You know, that's how that's how I'd been making records since the green light album and later the, earlier the glow, I did a record with Peter Asher who's known to be a pretty slick producer, but I just said I want to do everything live. So anyway, I didn't, I mean the bluesy thing, the only blues song on that record is the road's my middle name

and I wanted to do that with the fabulous underbirds in Texas. So we went down there and did that. But that Jerry Williams song, real man, man, that's just, that's right. And that's my, I could have done that song at any point of my career. And similarly, without, I ain't going to let you break my heart again with Herbie. Oh, you know, we just got really lucky with both those luck of the drawn, nick of time, and, you know, the subsequent records.

We, great songs, great players. And I find the songs and bring them and I, and we had the terrific core band. So I don't want to, I got to pay props. don't pay enough props to the band because that's why that music is so special too. So how does your, how did your life change, like, take us through, you know, from going just from, you know, all those years, going from Warner and just going through that journey to finally hitting paid or what does that look like? Well, I got a lot less free time because when you're a political activist that use your

voice and your money and ability to fundraise, when I didn't mean so much, I didn't get so much, I didn't get so many tribes calling me for Native American justice benefits. And when I was a bigger deal, I could, when I got invited on a tonight show and I got invited on Good Morning America. And I could, we had just formed the Rhythm and Blues Foundation in 1988. And I could go on every TV show and talk about how those artists that we owe everything to never got paid. And let's make a donation and do the benefit for, you know, health.

get some health insurance for some of these icons that we all love so much, and I make my living doing the songs of. So anyway, the biggest difference was lifestyle. You know, I could have some financial security. I could move up to Northern California. I could pay my band better. I could really raise money and attention for the causes that I love. But I got really busy and in demand,

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At the highlight, what was like the highest of highs in terms of, well, I mean, I would imagine that being a critical favorite and a favorite of the industry, that you pretty much met your peers, but just like, was there someone that you finally got to work with or at least become friends with? with that your otherwise pre-1989 life couldn't imagine, you know, were you in... Well, that's a good question.

Sonatra phone buddies or, you know, I'm playing like... Yeah, you know, I hear what you're saying. Well, I was blessed with being respected by so many musicians that I wanted to work with that I really did. If you look at my guest discography, you know, there's like a lot of people who I wished I could have sung with that I, you know, Willie Nelson and all kinds of blues artists and R&B artists. So I did get to record with a lot of people already, even before that.

But afterwards, making a record with my dad and getting them a record deal on Angel Records in the middle of the 90s and singing, hey, there with a 42-piece orchestra, that was some heavy, beautiful stuff. Because here I am helping Ruth Brown and Charles Brown. And I would say that singing Merry Christmas Baby with Charles Brown, and we got to move to the outskirts of town with Ruth Brown, two of the great highlights of my life to be able to showcase and take on the road

Ruth Brown and Charles Brown put them in hotels they deserve to stay in the whole time, give them a tour bus that they couldn't even believe they were in. And at that point in their life, for me to be able to turn around and do something for some people that mean so much to me, that was the high point of that success and singing with my dad and Ruth and Charles

and, okay, John Lee. That's true. It was deep. It was deep. It's still deep. And Tuts, oh my God. Oh, yeah. Just the Maitals. Yeah. Oh, Tuts in a Maitouse. That's right. You're part of that other Howe won their project, right? Howe's always putting weird albums together. Yeah, well, I had cut True Love as hard to find on nine lives in 85, yeah, 86.

And then Tuts and I did it. And then he won a Grammy on that album, You know, True Love, which is all duets. You know, to have John Prine and Tuts gone. I mean, and how? Yeah. I wrote a song on my new album called Living for the Ones who didn't make it. It's all about that. Honey, what is your dad, I meant to ask you this earlier on,

but your dad and your mom, like, what did they think about where your music went since it came from them? You know what I mean? You know, when I started doing Bill for Comfort, not for Speed, you know, the Willie Dixon song that Wolf did, and they were in the audience at the second fret, you know in Philadelphia off a written house square and they came to my first gig

and I wasn't going to do spider in the fly by the Rolling Stones and I ended up singing built for comfort not for speed just me on acoustic guitar and a bass I think that embarrassed my dad a little bit so I think here's how they felt

they were delighted that the world thought I was talented they were dismayed I didn't finish college but then they could tell that it was that I got lucky and the lifestyle I was living partying a lot and I don't think they dug that too much so my dad always said if you want to sing

better and not worry about losing your voice or catching colds on the road just take a little bit better care of yourself and they were really happy when I quit trashing myself which wasn't all the time but after the shows you know right yeah after the shows I never let anything get in the way of my show because I didn't sell records so I you know

that show was everything. I had to be really good. Every damn show. And that's what my dad taught me. Every night is opening night. And Chippy mentioned that why you didn't graduate, you did go to some really amazing colleges, right? So.

I did go to Harvard for a couple of years, but man, this college of Johnny Hooker and being on the road with Mississippi Fred McDowell was a better college than any, you know. And I, and I wish, And they all wish that blues was not a bad experience for most black people. They would have been great if their grandniece and grandchildren wanted to go into it. You know what I mean?

It's an institutional racism that in a community where blues people should be on stamps and taught in the schools and blues artists should be revered and paid and treated like that jazz is treated in Europe. You know what I mean? We should just be lifting up roots music of all kinds, not just blues. And the people who, it should be taught so that little kids can really appreciate their own heritage. And, you know, and dig B.B. King and actually go see him, you know. It should you have to just be me and Eric Clapton talking about B.B. King. Now you want to add more to the curriculum than critical race theory?

No, no, Bonnie. Yeah, yeah. So, okay, the question I always wanted to know. in your post-1991 life, is there any concert that you've ever given in which your fan base is fine, if you don't do, I can't make you love me?

Oh, that's a good thing. Because I always wanted to know with signature songs, you know, there's a point where Nirvana just stopped doing smells like teen spirit. Wow. And sometimes artists will shy away from doing their signature song all the time, but for you, how do you feel about that song of all of your...

Oh, I would not do a show without Angel from Montgomery or I Can't Make You Love Me. Because those people, a lot of them haven't seen me in a long time. You know, some people didn't see me last time through, and maybe they haven't seen me in six or seven years, and they'd love that song. And so I've got to do it for the people that, you know, and I try to be as real and new every single night, every song.

I don't ever post. No, you have to. Yeah, you have to. It's open the night every night. Yeah, someone is seeing for the first time. I remember being on both sides of that, I can't make you love me. I haven't, you know, where somebody said, I had to tell him I didn't love him that way anymore. And they said, could you just, could you still stay through Christmas?

Oh, man, that was some, you know, past the peas and you're looking at the person. and mom and you just, you just, you just broke their heart. And then I've been on the side where my heart was broken where someone said, you know, I love you, but not that way anymore. It's just not working out, you know. I need somebody that can stay home and cook for me, not be on the road. Right. You know we can't even talk about that song.

Like literally, I was sitting in my living room with my 71-year-old mother, her 70-year-old friend, and we were talking about your music. And she was like, but that one song, she's like, don't lay, don't let. Oh, I'm about to cry. It is the black woman bring a tear song. Do you know this is the black woman bring a tear? I do. And I know how many men cry when they hear that song.

Because I get the letters saying, I've never seen my husband cry and when I turned and looked at him. And there were tears, you know, that she said it repaired a whole lot of hurt that we had. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. It makes sense. And you know who wrote that song is a guy who used to be in the Cincinnati Bengals. What?

He was a professional. What? It was written by Mike Reed was a Cincinnati bengal. I know what he was played. And Alan Shamblin wrote the words. And those two guys. And Mike Reed wrote a song on Nick of Time called Too Soon to Tell. I love Too Soon to Tell.

No, of course, because he wrote, I can't make you love me too. No wonder. No wonder. That's my favorite song of yours. And he's like this big bear of a guy. Oh, I love it. And he writes this and he has a voice, let break your heart like Michael McDonald.

Oh. Wow. Don't say Michael, Michael, Michael. I know. Michael McDonald, excuse me, I'm right with you, Leah. I'm telling you, this is, that's the guy for me. I'm going to tell you that I love, even though I love, I can't make you love me.

For me, too soon to tell is my favorite song of yours. Thank you. I love that song. And wait a little you, wait a little you, you got to call Mike Reed and tell him how much you love those. song. Oh, he's still, oh. He now knows it because we just said it. That is mind-blowing to me.

That is mind-blowing to me. I mean, it's, yeah, because, you know, six-foot-four football player does not normally sit down and write. But then look at Hornsby, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, big people have hearts, too. I'm saying. Okay.

No, we'll get you in the big club, Bill. Get out of here. No, he was speaking, but... Oh, I thought you... I thought Bill was trying to say, I'm saying, like, he's, like, my size. You guys, you guys, I should just... I'm just going to sit back and let you guys clown because this is too good.

No. Are you all in the same city? No. No. Well, some people are. Like, three people are. Yeah, they're in New York right now. I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Oh, I love Raleigh, North Carolina. I'm in Lamert Park. Okay, what's up? I'm in the Merck Park. I'm in the Merck Park. I'm going to wrap this up shortly, but I definitely have to ask, how did you feel when you got inducted?

It's like, how do you think she felt, Amir? But. No, no, it's sweet. It's sweet of you to ask. How do it feel for you to be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? It was outrageous. And, you know, I don't know if I really deserved to be in,

but I knew that I had lasted a long enough time to qualify and they didn't have enough women yet. And as a woman lead guitar player, as a champion of unpaid royalties and debts to artists that didn't get their props, which is why that damn museum is there and the organization. So a role model for activism and guitar playing and leading a band, I'll take it because I want to inspire the next generations of women, musicians, and activists and righteous people trying to get that royalty reform and get the songwriters paid by the streaming service directly and not go through the record labels?

Come on. I mean, there's all these people that wrote the songs that I made my career on that haven't seen a penny from all those streams. So, you know, I'm not going to shut up about it. So anyway, I was happy to be in there because I didn't read a lot of negative press about she doesn't deserve it. So I was worried about that. And, you know, we all get worried about social media because my feelings get hurt.

So I don't look at, I don't look at a lot of the responses in case people saying, I wish you'd just shut up about Native Americans, you know, pipelines, you know. Listen, meanwhile, I was about to ask you what causes are closest to your heart right now. We need to know. Oh, my God. Election protection. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Democracy's a good one. Democracy is nice when that works. So election protection, the climate, climate. you know, fiasco and the fact that food and access to health care and education, the inequities and income and opportunity are just number one. You know, we just got to get, there's too many justice, equal pay for everybody, but, you know, the health care system, what, you name it.

But food equity and health care equity and education, equal pay, equal opportunity, climate change, but man, the democratic hijacking of democracy in this country by the right wing is just, you know, we got fascism on our door right here. You know, don't kid yourself to that. We got to get everybody out to the polls. Yeah, Purplefornia, that's what we live. It is weird that just the basic,

just basic human needs are now seen as justice causes. It's crazy. It is crazy. For you, for you now, is there anything in your career that you have yet to bucket list that you wish to to achieve?

Oh, I've never been asked that. Love your passive, aggressive way, Amir of asking to do it with Bonnie Reed. That's true. No. We did get to play. They backed me up on used to rule the world. It was a badass version, too.

It was really great. Yeah. I would love to work with Keith. I would love to re-I would really love to re-up the WOMAD Festival, where there is an unbelievable collaborations of like Paul Brady, Habib Corte, from Molly, Paul Brady from Ireland, Liz Wright, Esperanza, me, Amir, you know, reggae guys, I would have put some in there, but, but you know what I'm saying? Like a touring womad, a cross-pollination of fertilization of music, that it doesn't matter what

genre it is, it's just great, where we can hear each other every night. I mean, Jackson Brown, Sean Colvin, Bruce Hornsby and myself with David Lindley, went on tour as a super group in 1999. It was just fantastic in the summer. We just had a little window of time, and we all got to sing and play on each other's songs, and I'd like to do that again. I don't know. That was probably too amorphous an answer, but you guys know what WOMAD was.

It was fantastic. When you say Keith, who, what Keith? Oh, Keith Richards. Keith Richards. Some people would have sweat. You know, I forgot. I forgot where I was. No, no.

No, no. Keith Sweat Jam. I'm just saying sweat love. Keith Sweat. No, no. You know, I was just thinking on the top of my head and I said, Keith, but, you know, in my world, there's one, Keith, but there's more. Keith Sweat, you're right. There are several key, yeah.

Keith Urban. I was thinking Keith Thomas as well, the producer Keith Thomas, I thought you could jam. Oh, my gosh. Thank you for giving me a reality check. No, I mean that guy who together we will stand there and be weathered together, you know. I don't know if you, he loves. playing the piano and singing almost Hogi Carmichael kind of standards. And he's really good.

And I love the versions that he does of those songs. It'd be really fun to do something with him. Well, we now know that you have manifest magic. So you can make that happen. I'm going to manifest that WOMAD festival, but we have to keep COVID under control so we can go across borders and be safe. Yes. I say by May that it'll, I'm saying right now, I am.

You're manifesting. I'm manifesting by May, mainly so we can get Fonte at the house in time for the Roots picnic. Listen, talk about it in here. We was all thinking it. It's outside, man. It's outside. It's cool. Yeah.

I don't do it. If it's outside, it's cool. Now, I will say this, COVID or no COVID, two days. Yeah, I don't know. I'm cool. But now, a two-day festival. Oh, no, I've been having a time. My life minority rate.

There you go. There you go. I could go to so many places right now, but I just met you, so I'm not going to go there. Man, go on in my mind. I'm going, I'm going in my mind about what you've been up to. It's been self-work, just working on myself. You know, it gave me time just to slow down. I dropped like 40 pounds and spend more time on my family.

Like, yeah, I'm cooling. There's been some good stuff about it for sure. I made a record. No, it's been really proud of. I probably would have made a different kind of a record, but, you know, It's been nice to have, but I miss touring. Oh, my God, I miss playing live. Yeah.

And I just got to say, I tape your show every night and watch it the next day. And I love you guys. I wish I could have a whole separate series of when you guys play on the, you know, with Jimmy on the show. I wish we could hear everything you're playing all the way through. Thank you. John Battise, too. Those guys, you do all that work and work up those tunes. Yeah.

Absolutely. We had him on the show too. It was a really good show. Yes. Yes. We did. Boy, that video for freedom and the videos on his record, he was, I mean, I wish to just let him dance around for a while and make me happy.

I hope this is his, I hope this is his Nick of Time Year for the Grammys. Wow. I hope so too. I'm going there. I'm going on. Wow. I know. Well, you know he's going to.

Oh, and can I just thank you for Summer of Soul? Oh, thank you. Thank you. And I know you're going to, this is going to be your nick of time at the Oscars. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Let's claim. I would manifest it.

Manifest it. Come on. Channel it. We get it from up top now. Anyway, uh, thank you very much. See, now you ain't. Take your flower out here. I just have to ask you, did you have to tune and was fly and all those guys that much in tune on every damn note?

You don't have the answer. I'll never tell. Wait, no, no. Here's the fun. I'm so glad you, only because you ask that question. All right. I'm going to admit one cheat that I did.

Once, I did only two cheats on the, on the movie because, uh, sing a simple song was in E. I cheated the, the intro drone that they did to that key.

To be in the key. Because they did it. The drone was in another key. and they went to another song. Then they went to sing a simple song. But no, no, no, I mean. Very cool, very cool. But for the most part, I will say that everything that you heard

was this 100% from the soundboard in 1969. Like literally, we did maybe 0.1% of mixing. Like, we barely touched the board. Man, now does that guy, does the guy who, mixed that and recorded that, did he get a little taste? Yeah. Give the engineer some. Come on.

Here you go. Let my beak, baby. Wet my beak. Jimmy, the legendary Jim, Jimmy Douglas, he did amazing grace for Rheitha Franklin, like, Jimmy Douglas has been. All the timblins and like early stuff. Yeah, like he's been for 50 years like the man. So, yes, he was my engineer.

No, she was the guy who recorded it. Oh, the original. Yeah, the original guy in the house. Believe it or not, that was a rough mix. Like, well, give him to a rough paycheck then. Dude, he's dead, Steve. All right.

Steve, he got family. Well, I got to say that was a really great, yes, he does have family. That was a great mix. Thank you. Some of the baddest singing live I've ever heard in my life. Thank you. Well, I appreciate it. We really are so great.

grateful. And when you say there's more footage, I can't wait. Yes, there's more and we'll, I can make an announcement in like May for after, after the Oscars. I'll make another. I'm manifesting that right now. Someone's old deluxe. I will take it. Yes, I will take all your manifestation. Yeah. Come and see us with, we're going to be with Lucinda in New York, but then we're going to be with Mavis on the road and you probably still be tired. You'll be, you'll be having to be in New York doing your nightly gig. No, I will come to see. He'll be in my area. I will see this because I'm all about flowers to our, to our great. And you're one of our, oh, thank you. I was thinking, Mavis would, you know, but I thank you for

considering that I'm, that I'm, all the things that you said in the intro. I'm really, very, very touched, very tight. I do. Not, not, not anybody gets on the show, you know, like, we, we have to love you. Well, Bill Sherman was our first guest, so there you go. And there you go, Bill. And now we love it. And I love you. It's a reminder, I'd get the new album, too. I was just going to mention the new album.

I was playing. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to plug just like that. Just make sure you go get the new Bonnie Ray album. Oh, I hope you dig it. I do. It delivers. I will say this.

It delivers. It definitely does. I was like Bonnie's giving us what we need. There's a great soul ballot on there called Blame It on Me. That's the one out. And there's a, there's a funk. that I wrote that mixes Eddie Harris, Les McCann with the Commodores. So you got to check it out.

It's called Waiting for You to Blow. And I'm really proud of it because I wrote every little drum part and every keyboard part, every little horn part. So anyway, I hope to dig it. Who, who, were you, did you write Blaming on me? Is that, in the original? A guy wrote it, sang it on the, two guys wrote it and sang it on a Facebook performance. And they sent me the link and I went, what? Wow.

Yeah, and you know what's really fun about this week, and I know we've got to go, but this is the week, as the record comes out in the middle of April, and the single hits this week, I could call, because the streaming services are going to start listing the tracks, so I got to call the songwriters that didn't know I cut their song. And I've had it since last June, I knew I was going to, that I cut it, right? So I had to sit on it, and I got to make that call going, hi, it's Bonnie. I know we don't know each other, but I really love that song that I heard back in 2009.

And I ended up cutting it. This guy's just flipping out, man. Oh, wow. This is up. No, that's life-changing. Yeah, that's Bill's eight, man. Yeah. No, Bonnie, I just want to say, I just, you know, I just remember, I just got up on your

early catalog, maybe probably like 10 years ago. And, you know, it was a good buddy guitar player friend of mine, Chris Burner. he put me up on like your early records. And just for me, just a part of my childhood, just again, luck of draw, a look of your knock of knock, Nick of Time, like those records were everywhere. You couldn't escape them. And so you're just definitely someone when I talked to younger artists. I definitely mentioned you was just, you know, an example of perseverance

and how just staying in the game, you just never know. Like I had no idea. I mean, I was, you know, 10 when Nick of Time came out. I thought you were a new artist. I had no idea. You know what I'm saying? And so just to see. And, you know, wasn't I lucky to be 40 when I got it?

Because I would have fucked myself up if I, I don't know if you can say that. Oh, no, this was a Supreme. Say that shit. But I'm saying that, you know, the people that can, like Taylor Swift and Nora, I mean, a bunch of people that have gotten really famous early, they're handling themselves much better than my generation would have done. And if I had hit it big. Well, y'all didn't have social media. I'd be dead. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we thank you. very much for your artistry and this is definitely an honor to have you on the show. No, thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Questlove Supreme, Fonsegolo, Laia, unpaid Bill, and Sugarsteeve,

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