The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Boyz II Men Part 2

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

The 2020 Questlove Supreme conversation with Boyz II Men was too big and too potent for one part. Here is Part 2 with Shawn, Nate, and Wanyá. This discussion gets the real behind the plaques and success, including the Boyz talking about their foray into the world of wine, how they stay connected through the years, and those memories of Philly. Enjoy this evergreen QLS Classic.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Back in late 2020, in the thick of the pandemic, QLS had my guys on, Boys to Ben, for a two-part podcast discussion. It's damn near three hours of conversation when we get real. and all the stories behind this incredible record-breaking group. So join me, Fon Ticcolo, Laia, I'm Paid Bill, and Sugar Steve for this amazing Touchstone interview with a lot of humor, candor, and realness. Thank you to Nate, Sean, and Wanié. Shout out to you, too, Mike and Mark, you're all boister men to me.

You guys humbled me and also gave one incredible conversation at a time when we needed it. So here's part two of Boys to Men on Questlove Supreme. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to part two of our talk with Boys to Men. I got to say, we were having so much fun. I didn't even know it was going to be this much fun. Normally, we could wrap up a Quest Love Supreme episode and just, you know, like shy of it north of an hour.

And I don't know, the time just kept going on. And the next thing you know, it was two episodes worth. So I haven't had this extensive of a talk with them since our days in high school. So it's really good to catch up with the guys. I hope you're enjoying it. Without further ado, part two of our conversation, Questlove Supreme and Boys to Me. Of the projects you worked on, what's your favorite, what is your favorite one? What do you feel that from artistic achievement?

What do you feel like this is my legacy? Well, I want to say project per se, but I would say, One of my biggest enjoyments at this stage and age in my career and where we are is when we do our orchestra concerts. We do a concert with just us, us three vocally, and, you know, whatever orchestra we're around, whether it's a New York Sinfonic orchestra or whether with L.A. at the Hollywood Bowl. And we do it all of our records. And it's all stripped down to just strings and brass and drums, nothing electronic at all. And it's just, it's an atmosphere. It's an atmosphere that because you've been involved in the business,

the way we have so long you're going to, you got the samples in the backgrounds, and you sing over here and the drums and the guitars, electric, everything. When they strip all that out, it takes you back to the high school performing arts. It's almost like everybody, it's, the door just opens. It's a brand new, you know, fresh air

to where the vocals have room to breathe. Like you live in a whole different space. You're not fighting against the electronic keyboard or somebody's bass being too loud. You know, you just get to flow over the strings and the harps and the whole nine. And for me, whenever we do all the stuff that we do with everything jumping around or whatever,

whenever they say there's a orchestra concert, it's just a sigh of relaxed and relief to where it's like, thank you, Jesus. Now, let's just go and sing our songs. And that's just the best. I'm gonna tell you one thing, Amir, the thing that I've, our goal, or rather, the thing that I'm most proud of is something we haven't done yet. And I hope that we do it because we've had this conversation before and that's to do an acoustic show. Like, you know, the guy, you know, we've all learned how to play guitars and, you know what I'm saying?

I totally forgot. Yes. So, you know, we talked about this as far as I actually doing like, you know, a set or unplug type of show. How long have you guys been doing that format? For our listeners that don't know. Yeah, the last time I seen you guys perform, it was you three with your guitars, which I didn't know.

Not me. I didn't have no guitar. We didn't know either. Yeah, Nick plays bass and I played guitar, and I played guitar. And we started playing around, what is it? I was 43, so that was five years ago.

So that was in 2014, 2015. teams, something like that. And we just started to play. We just felt like it was an idea. It was around the time we did this album called Collide. Yeah, exactly. The one of the guys that was working with us was like, yo, you guys should learn how to play guitars. And he was like, I guess we should. So Nate and I went to Tower in Vegas. And I picked up a, you know, a modern size strat. And he picked up a base. And I've been playing ever since. And Nate's been playing ever since. And it's broad in the show. to the point now where we've added

guitar parts to the show and, you know, acoustic and electric. And this is something that has opened all of our eyes to the possibilities of us taking our music to even another stage and, you know, potentially just doing an all-unplug type of thing. Because we did it.

Like, just like you said, the last time you saw us, we were doing come together. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, and water runs dry and I'll make love to you all acoustics. That's it was incredible. I loved it. Thank you.

You got to sit in orchestra show. You got to do that too, though. Yes. I thought out there. I was supposed to say, when y'all got to do? Of course, dude. We can tell COVID to go to her home. Really, right?

I wanted to... Hold is not invited. Man, yeah. I want to jump back on y'all on your production for a little while. You were speaking, Nick, you were saying earlier just about how, you know, the records that you guys did and versus the records that, you know, that, you know, the I make love to use and the end of the roads. I always thought just as a fan of you guys, whenever people would make the argument of like, you know, the Boys and Men versus Jodice argument. Like, well, Jodice was more this, but boys and men was kind of clean cut.

I will always go to y'all production. And I would say, like, nah, this is what they really on. So, like, Nate, you did a record, the Johnny Gill record, I got you. the think of you case. And when y'all did the, the 112, now that we're done, like that to me, I was like, nah, this is what these niggas is really on.

You know what I mean? So, you know, I always wanted to get, you know how y'all felt about this. Was the Jodicey Boys have been the thing? Like, was that a thing? Were you all the black bea versus? It was real, but not created by us. It was real because we were all really good friends.

We freaking love, like, Jodacy is just like, I mean, it's yin and yang. There would be no Jodicy without Boister and vice versa. And every time we would see them on the road, we try to catch up with him. Hey, I mean, we love those dudes. I mean, the audiences made it more of the competition. And it was more friendly for us. But, I mean, they're different identities.

I mean, you know, Jodicee, you know, they have the two singers and they had the producer. And, you know, we had the four singers and their three producers. I mean, we kind of did a little bit of everything. So everybody had their own little genre, but producing and writing with something, again, that we really enjoyed because we're the type of guys that, you know, being, being emotional, we like to sing what we write, you know what I'm saying. And when we got a chance to get with FACE and Jimmy and Terry and all, I'm like, all the lessons we could possibly learn from those guys, we tried to roll over into the stuff that we did. But as far as, like I said, we wrote, my, my, the first song I ever wrote in my life was please don't know. I think I was 14, 15 years old. Who are you talking?

So, well, that's years of getting stomped on. Like, you know, like we talked about in the high school. Oh, that's right. Nobody really checks for us. But my point being, we all come from that. All four of us came from writing words down and creating songs and singing them. That's how our whole career jumped off. So as it went in, you know, those songs you talk about now that we're done,

all those other songs there, that was the stuff that we just naturally. actually did because that was that's part of who we were. It just may not have always gotten on the Boys to Men albums because I love too many producers, man. Yeah, I love those. And, uh, Sean, like, even like your Sean, just soundtrack stuff. And I told you this before in pre-examation, like the visions of sunset and like the record.

Oh, that was a monster. Man, I love their records. Yeah. Oh, wow. The joint you had on down in the Delta. I never heard real quick. I won't cut you off. But the first time I heard that song when I heard, because I know he played keys on it,

when I first heard that dude, I had a tear in my eye. That's my brother. I had a tear. When I heard boom, do, do you. I was like, oh, my God. I just wanted to crawl up in fetal position like, oh, I love him. I tried to unplug his keyboard a couple of times because my

love that song. Love that song, man. Yo, before I forget, oh, before I forget, dude, what happened to Uncle Sam? Sam. Yo. I was about to see him.

Where he at? Uh-oh. He out did get some of that Jesus money. But anyway, him! Yeah,

he actually is getting Jesus money. But we, we had him signed to Stone Creek. Our record label back in Philly, and we all,

you know, we all fell in love with him the first day we heard him. And felt it was something we could work with. We went in and produced the record.

And I think the album, the album, sold a million records and the single sold a million records and the album was half a million records. And then we went back in to renegotiate with Epic to do another record. And unfortunately, he wasn't really happy with his terms. Now, I will tell you one thing that we learned in our business for us, we don't treat people the way we were treated. A lot of artists and producers be like, well, you know, I went through it and you got to go through. We would never know guys. We made sure that the deals you got, you were happy with them. If you didn't like those deals,

We could tear those deals up and you could walk. But, you know, Sam, for some reason at that time, had a whole different agenda of what he really wanted to do. And we didn't really want, you know, stifle him from that. So we said, okay, well, if that's you want to do, cool. So when we walked from him, the label said, well, well, if y'all ain't with him, we ain't with him. So that's why I didn't either.

Yep. Can I ask you all? It's funny. I mentioned the jodicy thing. I was kind of always curious how y'all felt since they were kind of allowed to be the bad boys, but y'all, especially after the end of the road, it was like a whole persona,

a prepiness and whatever, but knowing who y'all really are, South Philly, North Philly, you know. I personally, I personally took, yeah, I have a problem. Yeah, I was going to say, what was that like, and how was it like wearing those masks at times when you really had to wear the mask, I feel like?

Yeah, yeah. Was Alex Vanderpul a real person? Yeah, he was a character. Yeah, he was a character. He was a character. All my exposure. That man, he could watch a TV, watch it all the time.

That's how he came up with the look because he used to dress that way. He didn't live in 17 with Christians. So, yeah, I used to have a problem having to do that because that wasn't me. Wasn't even close to me. You know what I'm saying? So to watch them get out there

and have a chance to just be regular old niggas, I had a problem with that. Right. I just wanted to be me, and I couldn't, because I had to protect the entity of my guys, and it is what it is. I was the over from the suburbs, so, you know, I had to, you know, I was excited.

That's an assimilation. With me. With me per centip, I feel like, you know, I guess at a young age, I was looking at it as the music called for the entertainment value. You know what I'm saying? I mean, their music was gritty. Their music was, you know what I'm saying?

So you have him, my baby. That's right. It was that. And we weren't there, so we couldn't personify that type of, you know, we couldn't be that character. You know what I'm saying? And the funny thing is what people don't understand is what made us non-offensive. It's no matter what we were singing, we were no character.

You understand? We were characters of our own personification singing love songs, which made it so non-offensive. People couldn't pinpoint us. They didn't know we was black or white, you know what I'm saying, until they actually saw us. You got to understand, the two album was bigger than Cooley High Harmony. They weren't on Cooley High Harmony.

We weren't on the two albums. On the cover. You weren't on the cover. Was that by design? That was by design. Yeah, that was another fight. Really? They wanted us to put the cover, and we didn't want us to put it in the cover.

And we didn't want to be in the cover. They fought us to pull it. You all the Isley brothers' 60s move. Wait, why? Why did you do that? We had a... Go ahead, Sean, you got it. No, I mean, basically, we wanted it to be about the music.

And we understood that, you know, being... The brand. Quite frankly, you know, our faces on the cover, we felt at this point was kind of corny. So we were like, we wanted to make, you know, the... Grand. The album itself be the concept.

And one came up with a damn good logo for two. Yeah, like, I came up with the title. That was your logo? Okay. Yeah, I drew that. Do it. Pencil drew it. Yeah. Winey drew it, right?

And he put it all together. Wynne actually drew this. So we had some guy, what's the Asian guy that we had? Johnny. Johnny Lee created like this metal thing. This was before, you know, all the technology we have now. It looks just like the drawing. A metal mold of the two thing.

Set it up in lighting. That's an actual picture that two album cover. Yeah. Different angle and made it look the way that it looked. And the label, we were at somebody's beach house, you know, meeting with all the heads of Motown. Because this is, you know, we were the big group at their time. So everybody was talking, you know, wanted to hear our ideas.

And they fought us, right? No, your face has got to be on the record. Your face got to be on the record. When they finally saw it, we put it out, we saw a newspaper article when the album came out and it reached a certain level. And the label was like, yeah, when we came up with the idea, we didn't want to put their faces on the album.

Was this Harrell era or Busby era? No, this was before Horel. But what's funny was that this was during the long CD box where it stuck down into the bin and the picture was up top. So that's why they were fighting because they wanted the faces to be up top. But when Juan came up with the idea,

I literally remember him saying, it's got to look like the Batman's simple. It's got to look like something that's got that. And we fell in love with that idea. of it and we tried to take that idea to the label. But again, they were stuck on, oh, we gotta put your faces on it. And I don't think that they realized even after eight or nine million records, how strong the name of the group was.

Wow. Man. Waii, I want to ask you a quick, brokenhearted, man. Oh, huh? About that session. We got it. Please. Go in.

Go in. You know, during the time of brokenhearted, brandy was just coming out. She just had, I want to be down. and I really thought that she was like a good singer. I knew that she had something that I hadn't heard in a long time, you know, vocally. And, you know, I contacted her mom and we were all talking. I said, yo, this girl, she was crazy. I would love to, you know, do some music with her or whatnot.

This before anything ever transpired relationship-wise. And her mom agreed, you know, and, you know, we all met up. I met, I actually went to Carson, which is in California, like, It was like the hood. And I hung out like literally all day, her, her boyfriend and Ray J, when he was little, you know, the mom and dad, you know, I have my security with me, you know what I'm saying? And I went down and we hung out and we just ran, sang riffs and stuff all the, you know, just copying each other's rifts.

I was pretty, pretty young, but not that young. And as time progressed, she became like my little, you know, my little sidekick, you know, like we would actually just literally hang out. And as time progressed, you know, hanging out so much, you begin to catch feelings, you know what I'm saying? And it was really innocent feelings, really innocent feelings.

And, you know, transpired as she started getting older. You know, she started coming into her. Anyway, she started coming into her womanhood, and I was getting old. And she was getting old. You know, man. Nate is always in my favorite. No, but, you know, people we get older,

we start to get closer, and that's what happened. And during that time, we used to be in a studio all the time. You know, I actually was the one that got her on the boys to mentor. Oh, okay. I'm the one that actually introduced her to the Moesha people. My manager. My manager was, Quadri was actually, you know, trying to find something for boys to men to do. And I said, look, we got Brandy down the hallway.

She used to be on Thia. You know what I'm saying? So they met up with her mom. You know what I mean? I'm the one that hooked her to go, hooked her up to go on prom with Kobe. Kobe? Kobe. I'm going to do.

Literally. I did. So you're the reason my girlfriend, Jocelyn, got stood up for the prom. The crazy thing is, is I wrote, me and my mom wrote the Moisha soundtrack, the Moisha song. Me and my mom wrote. Wow. What? So it's like, it was really-

Is that publishing right, Wanya? No, they played them on a whole lot of stuff. You know, that was my girlfriend at the time. They act like I had nothing to do with it. I wasn't mad. You know that shit on Netflix, man. I know, right? But, you know, Broken Hearten was one of the songs.

that came out of that. The song, Broken Hearter, was already on her album. And I was like, yo, we should do a duet. We should turn that you on to flip it around and just make it a duet. And her mom agreed. Everybody agreed. They produced the record and boom, we did Broken Heart and

and we didn't even think it was going to be big, but we just knew it was a good song, you know? Nah, that was a great song, man. Yeah, so, you know, it was a time in our lives when we were really young, you know what I mean? Of course, people get in relationships and they get out of relationships. Everybody acts like it's so harsh of the situation,

but people break up all the time, you know, especially as young as we are. And we was asking you about the music, Yaya. You ain't, thank you for that. You ain't even happy. I appreciate you going in. I didn't even know about a session. I was like, okay.

This is my man show, right? Yeah. All right. You guys are with it. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I just had one of my deep cut questions on the, uh, the, the evolution album.

There was a record. It was deep in the record. And I loved it. It was never single, nothing to the limit. Man, I love their record. What was the, if you remember, even, like, what was the... Yes. Yes.

Yeah, what was the story behind that one, man? Monti, there's so many songs that I personally enjoy we've done that were never single. And they could have been just as viable. there's anything else. But again, it's amazing when people's attention spans turn somewhere else. It doesn't matter how good your record is. It doesn't matter how good you are. If people are done with you, they've done with you. But to the limit is, was one of those records. It's funny because I started writing that record in Jersey, presented most of it to the guys and they

wrote the best. You know what I'm saying? And it was just a vibe. The track was made by Puffy producers and we wanted to do something that was sensual and and and accommodated to to women we understood that you know the ladies were our predominant you know demographic so we wanted to create a a scenario where we were kind of their everything you know what I'm saying like and and having that massage day which your guy which was us You know what I'm saying? And that pretty much was it. That was a spy day for our significant others.

You know what I'm saying? And doing everything that every woman would dream of their man doing for. And that's pretty much it, man. That was a great song, man. I love that song. I love that record. I think you're asking about him. Yeah, me too.

Oh, Nate doesn't pull out some wine. This is about to get real, man. No, it's the harmony one. Is this the harmony one right here? Let us see the bottle because we are. I delivered you to get here. Yeah, y'all gonna keep me here. Let me see that.

Let's go ahead and do. So what y'all do? Zittendell? What is that you got there, a rose? Is that harmony one? We got a harmony. We got a shoulder.

There's a Grammy and some wine. Whatever you need. There you got Rose. We got red. We got. Boyst about it got cramies and wine. It's just called red. That's what that.

And I'm here. I know you're a food kind of sore, but, you know, wine got to be a, the mix somewhere with that, am I right? Correct. When did you guys get into, when did you guys step into find spirits, so to speak?

This was years in the main. This is called harmony, correct? Yes, it's called harmony. Yeah. Hey, I mean, I'll help you out a little bit. Yeah. That's the rosé. They're all Bordeaux.

They're all Bordeaux. They were grown in Chateau-Agoose, which is displaced all the way in, you know, France, whatever. and all the way. Yeah, all the way. And like deep deep, it's not like a four-year-old.

All the way. All the way in France. That's my Trump vernacular. And, you know, basically, and basically, you know, this was something that we've been experimenting and trying to get into for years, but we never really found the right people

to get involved with business-wise. But we found the folks, we found the guys. And again, it's three wines. It's a Bordeaux Blanc. It's a Bordeaux Rose. It's a Bordeaux of Red or Rouge, as they call it. And, you know, it's an affordable yet very tasty, multi-paladed wine. Like, it has such a great flavor, all of them.

Like, I don't want to sound like a commercial. And I don't want to sound like, you know. You got me sold. You know. But the crazy thing is, is I know you appreciate. You appreciate this, Amir. The way that they grow the grapes, you know, where they grow up, they play our music to the grapes. Yeah.

You better stop it while. You better. No book. That sounds about right. Yeah. It's a scientific word for it that we can't remember. I am so forth. It's called Genote.

It helps them fight off. Yeah, it helps them fight off a lot of different infections and things like that. It's literally, yes, I've heard of this before where people. music to grow. They've done the research. So, March of France, where they play, like, classical. See, that's the selling point right there, y'all. Yeah, but we can also do

some Joey D. Francesco, some Roots records, some Chris McBride. We can play that for the graves, too. We can start a, you know, like a jazz line of harmony, you know what I'm saying? All the grapes are organically grown because it's better resistant to pesticides and disease and all the other stuff. Said that.

Oh, okay. So we wanted to explain. I love y'all believe in your... So he wanted to make sure that the grapes, just like us, was organic. It was pure. You got some too, Fonte? He just got some brown. Nick, I had to pour some apple crown.

Shit, I'm joking with boys and me. And you crazy out of it. Shit, I might be somebody. And peanut butter whiskey. Y'all, what's crazy is... This is like the first product that y'all put out in your career, right? Or my truth is.

Yeah. Yeah. It really, really is. And we talk about that. And the question has been asked. And one of the things is is that we've never been the type of group to do the so-called endorsement. This is something that we really, really believe that is a part of our lifestyle, who we are, something we can represent, something that we can do.

And we're just not good at faking it. You know what I'm saying? So this title, you know, being, you know, being older, you know, men now and, you know, being able to, you know, drink a glass of wine and relax and chill and be a part of friends, family, harmony, music, the sounds, the different type of blends, the different grapes. All of it encompasses who we are and where we are at this point in our life. So, here, here. A win is a win.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. My last question. Have you guys been, or the last time you've been? Have you been to the Broad Street Creative and Performing Arts?

Yes. At all? Yes. Were you angry at how immaculent and clean? Yes. It wasn't your school? Mad as fuck. I'm here.

Why was your school? I was mad as fuck. Let me get a little insight. It was like a condominium. So when Mr. King passed away and they had a new music teacher, the music teacher there was my original music teacher when I was in the seventh, eighth grade, they brought her from marriage. So I spent a lot of time I did my son went to the school So I'm sitting in there

I mean it looks like A college And yeah The fact that we fought the Polymians You know what I'm saying The fact that You know We didn't really have our own space

In certain classrooms We didn't have brown work for them to have Necks in the ceiling Basketball on the roof with the gates Trying to make sure you don't jump off And yeah it was very very fucking fresh But I was about to say, like, the acoustics of that bath, y'all used to, that urine-infested

bathroom on the fourth floor, that's where y'all honed. That's a plug-in. Do you feel like it's not official unless, yeah. It's even official that there's no urine inside of it. Yes, we had to use our diaphragm, like. But how do y'all not expect this after this school has produced the roots, Christian McBride, boys and men? Isn't this the natural evolution of what? I'm glad that they had a safe environment.

Like, I'm glad they had a safe environment. But when I came, I went back, I went back there with Tariq a year and a half ago. And it was, I was the, like, I could see my reflection on the floor. Yeah, bro. Yeah. I was like, this was immaculate. I'll tell you, the only thing that makes me feel good about it was the fact that one day I went back and I was driving down the street. And I said, you know,

what, I know how to get there, but I'm going to use my navigation. So I put in my navigation, drove up to the corner, and I'm just pausing. I'm waiting. I'm like, all right, well, let me just get, I want to get up to the corner and turn and see what my navigation says. When that navigation says, boy, Saman Boulevard, dude,

I thought like five-year-old. I was sitting there like, shit, that's right. Yes. Dude, it freaks me out. Now, here's the thing. You know, people are. always get the little, hey, let's go into Boulevard, and this is a, you know,

everybody get the gratis name. But dude, when it showed up in the navigation, that's official. That's official. Hell, yeah. And they show up on Garmin, nigga. I don't even Dave Martin with the King Parkway is on there yet. What? I was like, wow, we have a ride. You know what else made, you know what else

took away that jealousy a little bit, don't they? I ain't going to lie. What took away that jealousy a little bit is when I heard the choir saying, they did not sound. as good or even close you. I was like,

no way. Well, we wore that choir, man. We were smashing them, son. Which brings me to my last question, which is who was the most famous graduate before the roots

and voice of men of Kappa? Like, what? It has some actors, honestly, and the be honest, which in the school only existed. The school only existed, I think, six years before we got there. It was a brand new

idea in the city. Oh, wow. Okay. The building, the reason why we were in a jacked-up building was because the original school was downtown in a building that was just an idea. They were trying a school and then it started to do well. It was on Broad Street. And they were like, yeah, Broad Street. Let's move it

to another place and we'll turn it into a school and for now to just hang out with the Columbians. We did make it a Pullumians famous. You know that. Columbia is, right? You know what I'm saying? I wonder if they have memories of that. Like it's a country. Who was, um, Laya?

What's her name went there? Oh, yeah. She was in the Cosby's so. Oh, let. Oh, what's her name? Eric Alexander. Not Erica Alexander, but her girlfriend. Oh.

Oh, that was with. Cousin Pam, the one. No, wasn't. No, not cousin Pam. Charmaine, Charmaine. Charmaine. Charmette. Yeah, Sirman.

She went to do that. It was seen more as a. in acting school before we got over to Bras. And what's his name who was saying? I said that it's mine. I forget his name. Black heroes. Yeah.

All his, I was friends with their funds. Spoongy Ray J. I say eight, mine. Yes. I said it. That's right. That's right. Donne Woodfield.

Don'tre Whitfield. No, not DeAndre. No, no, no, no. No. Oh, you're thinking of Richard James husband. That's Roger. I can't remember his name. Yeah.

DeAndre Wiffel, he's married to, what's his name? Sallie, right? Salary Richardson, right. Oh, boy. All right. I want to wrap this up because I know they're losing his patience. Actually, wow. I'm drunk now.

I'm good. Go in. Okay. I got one. I'm going here. All right. We are nerds on this show. Yeah, now this is music nerd.

Y'all boys done. Y'all fucking with the right ones. All right. All right. All right. So, so, so, so, so, why, yeah. So I've always heard, like, you know, a lot of vocal teachers and, like, vocal professors, they always say, well, you know, you shouldn't stretch your neck when you move or when you sing.

You shouldn't, you know, move your neck. But being able to be and disciples, listen, that's what, you know, that's what Wangay be doing. Like, you're the most, yeah, like, we know the Wangye movement. So I want to know, was that something that you got kind of, like, bounced back from from vocal teachers, or was that just something that you just did because you have the most distinctive, like, head and neck movements? That's how we got in the high nose. You know what it is.

No, it was, honestly, I never got any blowback from any of the, like, the vocal coaches or teachers because we didn't really have vocal coaches or teachers, you know what I'm saying? Like, if we sang choir, of course, I couldn't. Not even Thompson? I'm saying. I would have, you know, diplomatically. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, never mind. What you said that? I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I'm me either. You know what I'm saying? They're happy. I, I, I saw Dumpson in and Ms. Davis at this, uh, Ms. Davis is still there. Yeah.

A hundred years old, yeah, a hundred years old. Yes, you're still hanging on, boy. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. Go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry. That right here, honestly, is, um, it's, it's just, um, a dynamic thing.

I mean, of course, I can do that without my neck, but I feel like it gives me a better, I guess a better movement. You know what I'm saying? You know how sometimes you see somebody playing the saxophone and they do, you know what I'm saying? They're doing that because it gives them more of a, you know what I mean, of a dynamic. He gets to sing it, but he wants to feel it when he sings it.

Yeah. But how much your vibrato comes from your neck versus like how much comes from your your diaphragm. Well, no, I mean like, like there's different. My vibrato comes from from within. Yes. It's more chesty, you know what I mean? So I kind of, it depends on what I'm singing,

because sometimes I'm moving from my throat to my diaphragm or I move from my diaphragm to my chest. You know what I'm saying? It depends on the tone that I'm trying to get out. You know what I mean? A lot of times you guys hear the ending of a song, it's more of a chesty head type, you know what I mean, dynamic, because it's the power.

You know what I'm saying? It's where, you know, the power comes from. And if I got to hold a long note, that's when I switch it to my diaphragm, you know what I mean? I'll tell you another one. This guy didn't learn how to sing falsetto until almost four, five, six years into his voice. It's the main thing. Wow.

He had no, he had zero falsetto. So I literally started trying. I literally became like a student of my own voice. You know what I'm saying? So I know where certain pieces of my voice take me. I could sing it many different ways, but I also know. of what the audience calls for. And my performance...

How do you find that? How do you find the right way to sing the right thing? Like, is it just intuition? Like Nate said, I just sing. I literally just sing. I mean, I don't have to be doing shit. I'll be in the house and I hear like an acoustic and I'll just, I'll sing and then I'll figure something out.

And then once I figure it out, I'll practice that over and over again because I always believe that I can be better. I never feel like, you know, like people say, oh, my God, you're the best. No, I'm striving to get better and better every day because if you're the best, you can't grow anymore. You know what I'm saying? So I want to be better and better with whatever style I choose to sing because I know that there's going to be multifaceted of style, styles that I'm going to need to, you know what I mean, sing in order to be an artist, you know? Is there a particular music just as long as you guys been doing in just as season of singers as you are,

is there still a particular style of music that gives you more trouble than the other, like jazz versus gospel versus classical or, you know, is there, what is still a challenge to you? Yeah. We are, like I said, Sean to me is, he has a really good jazz ear. So when it comes to something like that, I always look to Sean to start it. Now, I know what it's supposed to sound like. But I know when Sean starts it, I know it's supposed to go. So once he starts it, I know where I fit in.

You know what I'm saying? So there's no hiccup there. Same with Nate. Nate has a great jazz here. Nate's like his musical roundness is just like fucking crazy to me. But when he starts something, we all know exactly where it goes. So it can be a jazz song or it can be like ribbons in the sky. You know, you know what I mean?

That acapella version, that's jazzy. and R&B, it's a lot of different facets. So when it comes to- Oh, yeah, I'm not sure if y'all heard that record. When it comes to that, we all, I guess, give enough of a strength to not make it a hurdle, you know what I mean? I understand.

And there's knowing your comfort, you're not in so much of comfort zone, but knowing we all know that when someone sings a part, we know if that's the part they should sing. Like there are times when we'll sing something, And we'll be like, nah, I think Sean should sing it because he's got a little bit more of this or whatever. And we know that, you know what I'm saying? And we tend to know when to fall in or a guy.

Somebody, for example, we'll come to the studio. I'm like, yeah, well, I want to say this and why. I'm like, no, well, I think Nate should probably do this part because we all know each other's voices. So whenever we hear anything that anybody brings us, we know who should sing what and where and where it's to go. That's so dope. What's technically what's the warm-up game like? Like, how does that work? As in, like, I once talked to Christian McBride,

and he said that he warmed up, he practiced for the 10 to 10 minutes before the gig. And that was it. And I assume that with you guys, it's way different than that. Like, I'm sure the one game of students of Seth Riggs or that level of- I don't warm up at all.

I'm not in my shit and lie to you. Yeah. Wow. You just walk in? I hate your mom. I swear. I swear you, I don't. I just.

When I wake up in the morning, When I wake up in the morning and I know I have a show, I sing the highest note that I'm going to sing on the show. And if it comes out clear, I know I'm good. You good. And another thing is why I don't. Any loose of the requirements, like take the air conditioning off, I don't sleep. Oh, yeah.

I mean, of course. Yeah, we don't like air conditioning and all that. And because that'll definitely go. So is there like on the tour of us, you fight over like, okay, it was 78 and now, 72. Juan likes it, blazing hot, showing I like it more. in the middle kind of. We don't like it cold, but we don't like it steamy.

Like wine will go on and turn the shower on and steam, you know what I'm saying? But I mean, another reason why I don't try to. Vegas and Tampa, just for the record. Well, another reason why I don't like to practice

because I never really know where I'm going to end up. Meaning depending on what we're singing and what we're doing, I don't know, I know what parts I'm supposed to sing for each song, but I don't know what I'm going to, I don't know what I'm singing,

because I don't know where I'm going to be. So it's kind of like open. And believe it or not, like sometimes that opens up for interesting things that come out of your throat. It's kind of cool sometimes. Like right now we're going through a seasons change in L.A., so my voice is a little raspy. And if you're recording or if you're doing something, sometimes that sounds cool. You know what I mean? We forget that like our voices are instruments.

And sometimes those little, like those quirks, those idiosyncrasies vocally could bring out a texture that, might resonate soulfully. You know what I'm saying? Because you might not feel as clean or whatever, but it has such a rasp and a ruggedness to it. It makes you sing different. You know what I'm saying? It's almost like,

Amir, when you play different drumskins, you know what I'm saying? When you got like different snares, whatever, it has different resonances. Right. Different sounds and textures and feels when you strike it. It's the same thing vocally with us. Like, yeah, we want to sound good all the time.

But, you know, when it comes, to weather and when it comes to stuff like that, we just adapt to what our voices are doing at that moment. At that time, yeah. And I always wish I had more power in the tenant range, but I don't. Like I used to sit back and listen to Sean and want to be like, damn, I can sing it, but I just can't, I don't have that bite to it.

Like I just don't have that rip. You know what I'm saying? Now above them, I do. But in that as far as well, I can sing it, but I just don't, I always wanted to be that, had that tenor guy that just could just rip. I just, I just don't, I don't have that in it. I don't have that. I always wanted does age fuck with y'all voices? Does age fuck with y'all's voices? Because I was, I saw Billy Joel two years ago and he's playing things in C, but it sounds in B flat. Like it's a whole step down

because his voice is down. Do you guys, you guys don't have that? It happened to us. Not me personally. That's a question. I am. Yeah, that's real. guess because, again, I tend to be all over the place. I don't, a key, it doesn't really matter for the most part for me. Like, when you change, you drop, no, let me rephrase that. When you start to drop it lower, it affects me one because of my, my, my, my, the perfect pitch thing, it irritates me because I know it's the wrong key. So it's my struggle to sing it in a different key.

And me and Juan used to fight a lot because he can't, I mean, not that he can't, but because he's. sing so many of those songs, like every song is, like every song is way up in the stratosphere. Some of them we have to adjust. And I'd be like, dude, you really want to drive it? Dude, I can't, like, I can't do eight of them in a row. I'm like, can you do seven of them in the row? We got to fight with that.

But, I mean, it can become a struggle when, again, when you got that kind of bite with the way his voice is, When you got to dig into a song that way on every single. I mean, if you did a 30-minute voice to men's set, this clown sings into the road up there. I'll make love to you. Up there. Bended knee. Up, like everything, he ends everything in the sky.

So Sean and I may be like, well, you know, it's just 20 minutes. He's like, nigger, it's 20 minutes, but he ain't 20 minutes. Niggas, that's a whole different. Oh, so you're saying that sometimes these songs won't make it? Yeah, and then I'll mess with them every now. Can you not do not do this? We have to do the hits. That's bottom line.

We have to do the hits. But sometimes, like, there are some songs that aren't major hits that I'm like, nigger, like color of love. I never give a thing. But a song like water and dry, that, that, that, isn't requires me. Everybody loves that record. Everybody

loves singing that. We were singing that. If that's the only one we had to sing, every fucking day. Every day. Yeah. Do you, can you stand the rain in any show?

I was just, do y'all do you can't you stand a rain at all? No, we have that. I will tell you that's one that we definitely need our brother on. We need Mike on that record. Okay. What's the status with y'all in Mike now is things cool?

Is it not cool? Or y'all speaking on it was. I think we as a group, us three, are, we're cool with where we are with Mike. We just don't know where we are with Mike. I'll leave it. I mean, again, it's like, we've gone through a lot. I understand.

We've been doing some bad things, some good things. You know, we, we love them. We don't, we don't hate them. We don't wish anything about them. But unfortunately, we tried to bring them back a couple times. And, you know, some of our milestones, whether it was the 20th album or, you know, 20 years or 25. And it just didn't work out because, unfortunately, a lot of people,

don't realize that Mike has been away from the group longer than he was in the group. Right. Like he left in 1999. We had that just started at 92. So bringing them back for the 20th anniversary and the 25th anniversary, Mike McCarrie is a different guy that we didn't grow up with from 99 to 2020. Like he's just a different person. A long time.

He's just been gone for a long time. And at that time, we were. all growing up, families, becoming men. This is when we really started to learn different things about ourselves, that we needed to grow up around each other so we could understand those different things about each other. But he was all the way over there, so we don't even know, in some cases, honestly, it sounds sad to say it.

We don't even know who he is right now. Who he is? No. Honestly, we really know who he was back then. With that on top of it. Mike was always the other dude. You know what I'm saying? Like if we got, if we got freaking pathfinders,

Mike would get a rodeo. If we got, you know what I'm saying? Benz is Mike would get a Porsche. You know what I'm saying? He just was always separate from us. Like we would hang out and Mike would not be there. You know what I'm saying? Mike came into the school in the same year that I came in.

And Mike had. had a, Mike had a pitch problem. And, you know, it kind of alienated him away from a lot of people in the choir and the school at that time because Mike also had that attitude. Well, I'm going to do what I can. And if you don't like it, fuck you. And that's kind of what his attitude was. He's like, I'm going to try to sing it.

If it don't get there, talk about me all you want, the hell with you. And if you talk about me too much, then we might have to have some physical education about what he's talking about. And that's just who he was. I see that. Wow. What part of Philly was Mike from? What part of Philly is he from?

He's from Logan. Logan. Okay. Actually, Sean, where were you from in Philly? Of the suburbs of Southwest Philadelphia. Man, shut up. What is that called? Upper Darn.

What is he saying? I don't understand. What is that? I don't ever... I don't know the damn suburbs. I came from Southwest Philadelphia. The 5'9th and Belmar Terrace right down the street from Myers Park and Paul Brothers.

And Riddick. You know what I'm saying? Like that's where I come from. I know. I grew up in Southwest. So you took a 36th trial. Yeah. I grew up in Southwest like 58th and a 50th and Wooden Avenue like Greenway Avenue.

And then Crest. Oh, you know what? Crush what? Yeah. All right. So I used to bag at Crest, son. For real. What?

Damn. That's where I used to get my E-track tapes. What, man. Help me with your bags, miss. What? How you get a quarter, nigga? What? Anyway, I grew up over there, and then when I started going to perform an ice, whatever, I moved in the South Philly, so I grew up over there.

But no, I'm from, as a matter of fact, my street was Alden Street right in front of Crest. Okay, I know what that is. My grandma lived around that way, so that's how I know. Thursday was stopping for grandma at Crest. That's right. That's right, boy. Okay, what, now, damn it, all right, now. All right.

Let it out. Let it out. Do you guys? do you guys ever get sentimental for Philly at all and do you act on it?

Okay, so they GPS the fucking directions and the fucking street name. Yes, they get nostalgic about Philly. My shit's a little bit different. Like, I will actually designate maybe every other month I will

I will I will actually ride the L No, you don't. We try that. No, for real. I've done it. We should try that. Before every Roots picnic, like when rehearsals start, I'll designate about six hours to just sit on the L from 69th Street all the way to the other end and full circle it.

Yeah. We used to try that. What you mean? Try it. It didn't work? Yeah. I couldn't wear a hat or glasses. I was caught every time because it's all part of the outfit.

So either way, it's nothing I can hide with it. Unless I just put a hood over my head, this is too much, I'm crazy. Right. But do you guys, like, when's the last time that you really like just like, just really went to landmarks of your life or like try to chase ghosts? I call it chasing ghosts. I did that last time.

Yeah, a couple years ago, I took my kids to my actual block where I live. Like I took all my kids, my wife was like, yo, we're gonna go to my neighborhood where I grew up, like the whole shit. Was it like an episode of black kids? Was they scared? No, they were just kind of a stag. Because yeah, they got big kids.

They're Cali kids. They survived. You know what I'm saying? So when they actually got out the car and they saw- You got out the car. Oh yeah, we got the car. Yeah, yeah, we got a car. And they saw rundowns, you know, houses

and the streets all fucked up in the whole nine yards. And they was like, Daddy, my daughter was like, Daddy, which house was yours, right? And I said, well, that's my house right there. You know, I pointed at the house. That's where I grew up. She's like, well, it is a really small house. I was like, yeah, it's a small house. Like five of us grew up in that house.

So, yeah, like, you know, and I took them to get cheese steaks and a whole nine yards. So, yeah, like that we got a dope city. You know what I mean? Like, it's brimmy sometimes. And it's got his moments. ultimately. Not. Well,

I tell you what, I go back there a lot. Did they gentrify your spot? That's what I really wanted to get to. Not where I live. South West, not South West. It's going to be last.

No, you're still black. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, where I was in South Philly, my house at the time was probably like $130,000. They're like,

no, $150,000. They then took the whole South Philly area. But, I mean, I get a soft spot when I go back because, like, kind of stuff. But last year, Christmas Eve, I took my son and I took my best friend who passed away from COVID. He was in Philly. He's just living in Philly, so I called him. He said, listen, dude, I need you to just go to Target. I just need you to buy every sock they got. I need you to buy every sleeping bag they got. I need you to buy every pair of gloves.

And we just went out and gave out socks and sleeping bags and tents. The homeless people because I know I used to pass them every day, you know what I'm saying, when I went downtown. You know what I'm saying? And I know that Philly has a big homeless problem. So I just got a real soft spot for homeless people. I mean, whether knowing what their story is or not, it just has always bothered me. So I like going back to Philly and just showing up and just giving people stuff. Like I'll try, I pass a homeless guy and just give him a hundred bucks and just so he can get to

react. I just, I don't even care what he does with it because it's not, has nothing to do with me. I just, I just, I just want to feel the reaction that it means something to him and hopefully he'll do the right thing. But growing up in that town, knowing where we all come from and not having nowhere near what we have now, to go back and to put smiles on people's faces like that and to try different things like that, that's what I get a soft spot for when I go. That's love, man. Do you think, there's that kind of what got you into doing the rehabs and doing,

the housing, like you were to show and everything? A little bit. I'm really, my dad brought me up in my brothers and family on, you know, always being able to do something with your hands, whether this is music or whatever it happens, great. But at the end of the day, a man has to be able to take care of himself. And the only thing he did, his best two tools is his hands. So we were always taught to figure out something to do with them. So that was like a combination of the two for me, knowing that I come from nothing and knowing that I have the ability, not just with my hands, but the financially I have the ability, have before. So it was like bringing them all together. So that was, we came up with an idea of,

for our charity called the Boys Semen House. And one of the biggest, one of the ideas was to try the, this was, you know, before COVID and all the craters was to try to build these boys to men houses in these urban communities where, you know, kids, you know, after school programs, people can come, get on the computer, all that kind of stuff to where people would have the ability to enjoy, you know, the things that we couldn't enjoy when we were kids. So doing the stuff with my hands and building. That's something that I've always loved to do and will always continue to do. And like I said, that that homeless thing is really, really big for me because I always believe that there's stories in all people. And, you know, we all pass most homeless people, be like,

oh, yeah, well, you know, he probably, you know, drugs. We always assume that. But if we actually knew the story of each individual, I'm sure we all would think different. And the fact that we don't know them makes us all think of them the same way. And I think they get a bad rap a lot of the time. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Living in Cali will change your life and change your mind about the homeless because it's no way. Well, I've been the skid roll there and I've taken stuff to them too. And I know that their homeless problem has gotten worse. I know that their homeless people are more aggressive than most. And again, it's because it's the stories. I mean, you got to remember some of these people are belong there that they just did wrong things or their drugger. And then some people might have been a day and a half from paying their mortgage.

they lost everything. Or someone might have lost their job and their wife left them. And their kid died from something. Like we don't know their stories. And the cost of living is crazy. So for anybody. Without a doubt, it can drive you into so many different situations that we don't know. Yeah.

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I'm going to end with this question. You guys are beyond ubiquitous. Okay. You're like oxygen or water. So I'm certain that at some point certain things didn't impress you. But what key figure individually I'm asking this question, who's the person that you met that really was like? like an oh shit this is really happening moment that really like heart palpitations or you know that you were impressed that you got to meet and and or work with or whatever prince

really yeah yeah for me it was prince because i mean i just um you know he's a mysterious dude You know what I'm saying? You know, so not too many people, you know, really know too much about them. Not too many people are around them. You know what I'm saying? And it was always like, you know, you always wonder. So after purple rain, you know, I was really, really into that whole purple rain thing.

And, you know, when we actually were invited to his house, I mean, to his studio. Paysley Point, right. Yeah, you know what I mean? I literally, I didn't really like let the fellas know too much, but I was really like in awe. Like, wow, this dude is really prince. You know what I'm saying? Right.

I met Michael Jackson. This dude is really Chris. You know what I'm saying? I know that's funny. I met Michael Jackson. Michael is cool as hell. You know what I'm saying? But Michael is not as mysterious.

You know what I'm saying? You know? To you, Juan. Yeah. I'm just talking about like when I met him. Yeah, yeah, I got you. You know what I'm saying? He was really a cool dude, and so was Prince,

but it was almost like when we met him, I almost felt like I wasn't supposed to be meeting him. You feel what I'm saying? It was kind of like mystical kind of thing. Yeah, it was like, oh, man, like, am I really? Like, this is Prince, but I was keeping it cool, you know what I'm saying? I wouldn't be like, oh, my God, Prince, but I was just like, yo. And then, you know, it turned to, it was a lot of stories.

It turned into a lot of real funny stories as time. progress, you know what I'm saying? But I swear, that was one of the moments where I was like, oh, shit, you know what I mean? And I've met almost everybody that I've wanted to meet. You know what I'm saying? Speaking of which,

have you ever heard of his demo for Tevin? Which is based on the Simpin remix? No. You never heard the P? All right, I'm a prince collegeist. I, you know, I mean...

That damn prince. He always... Whatever. Okay. Hold on. Stop, pause that. Hold that thought because Prince College. Let me see if you get this real quick. This is a little trivia. Trivia. The two album, there's a song. Very, very big song for us.

Yeah, I know. Yes. The harmony behind, uh, thank you. Oh, you are a forensicologist. Or you also boys the men. I'll just. So thank you. So what?

What was it stolen from? What was it stolen from? From seven. Oh, seven and we'll watch them. Okay, yeah, gotcha. It's the background harmonies behind Juan's lead. It's probably one in Prince's great.

Yes. When I heard that, I was like, okay, I would have done the same thing too, because it has nice little pockets of harmony that you could pay true. I was just hoping he ain't get us for it, dude, because I was like, I think we should. Maybe we shouldn't.

It's too late. No. Did he say something? No, he didn't. No, thank Jesus. But I'm sure you heard it. Yeah, I was sure he heard it. Probably we liked it.

Right, him here, Zin said that's not what he borrowed. But the Kevin Campbell demo for the P, which, okay, I'd, more than classic print songs, I'm really a friend of like his worst songs. Right. And this is his second worst song. ever. Oh, nice. Worse than illusion, coma, pimp. No, no. His absolute

worst song is actually a song called Work That Fat. Yeah. You played it one time. You played it on your show. We're talking about this. Yes. It's off. It is off. But, yeah. Oh, wow. Actually, you know what? I think

I still think that that track, that Tevin did that track. But, yes, he, he, the, the, the, There's a four-bar drum break at the very end of the simping remix that he used as the basis of that song. And I always wanted to do that. I love that remix too. I bought that Kisingle as a kid. I had a Kisingle.

Yeah, man. I love that record, man. Yeah. All right. Yeah. All right. So who's your person, Sean? It would have to be MJ.

It was like, he's the reason why I even sing. Like, you know what I mean? Like just his whole vocal, I was always in love with his vibrata. And, you know, quite naturally when you copy somebody or when you listen to somebody every day, you can't help but to copy, you know, someone vocally. So sometimes I'll hit something that might sound like Mike.

And it's not by the same. design, it just comes out. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, to know that Mike was the type of dude that when we did see him, he would ask how our family was. How are you doing? Like, you know, it was normal, like, to have these conversations with a guy who is the greatest entertainer the world has ever seen.

And to actually work with him intimately, you know, to, I did the one more, I give things, you know, when 9-11 did. For 9-11. For him to personally invite me in, come to the studio before I even, you know, did the song, we're just chopping it up about stuff. And then he goes in, tells me what I need to sing, blah, blah, blah, blah, and do it. Like, in my wildest dreams, I would have never thought having a relationship.

Like, this wasn't just like, you know. Oh, I know this guy. Like, we were cool with the man. and he understood us and he understood him. You know what I'm saying? And that was the cool thing about that. So I was... Actually, I'm glad you mentioned that.

The one question we never asked Jimmy Jam was the making of the title track for... Were you guys there for the creation of it? Or were you just brought in at the end to sing your parts on the title track of history? Because... We sang it. He wasn't there, but we sang it in the...

He was there. Mike was there. Remember we came in? Yeah, he was there. Yeah, he came in. Yeah. When we actually sang the record, though, was it? When we sang, the harmonies to history,

Mike was in the studio. He came in and we talked for like three hours before we actually sang. Wow. Well, I wanted to, because that song is so intricate and, you know, made in 95 before, like, Ableton and, like, the type of demands that he had to create that song really wasn't common.

Right, right. You know, so, you know, I didn't ask Jimmy Jam on air, but I asked what was your like the nightmare project that and he said oh no without a doubt history because he kept we were present something he's like all right push it more push it more

push it more push it more and you know add this in and it goes all over the place I wanted to know were you guys there for the chaos stacking of that we did you come in at the end like we did our part and then they took it and kind of ran away oh okay I see we got it like too because he compressed this

squished us all the way down barely here. Oh, yeah, he stuck us in the back. Well, I assume that you guys singing on it. Sean, I was going to ask you, man, you're, so I didn't know until, like, a couple years ago that Anthony David is your cousin. Yeah, it's my first. And, yeah, and Big Ops Anthony Davis, that's my brother, man. And he told me when y'all did the record, y'all covered Tears for Fears.

Everybody Wants to Rule the World on his album, the Asobov Solo album, And he was telling me just about tracking that. And I said, so, man, so what was it like? Like, Sean in the studio, he was like, dude, Sean is just one take. He's like, he's singing all these harmonies. Like, he's finding notes in between the notes. Like, he just had just nothing but positivity, like, to say about you, man.

You know, I did not realize he could even sing, Fonty. Like, I saw him. We were all coming out of Madison Square Garden in New York. And we were, we bumped into Indiari. and he was with her. And I was like, yo, what's up, cousin? I was like, what are you doing here? And he was like, drinking milk, man.

I was like, you're going to wet? You know what I'm like, nigga, I didn't know you can sing? Like, I had no, like, he never, because he would come to Philly for the summer sometime. We would hang out and, you know, that whole thing. So he never once told me that he had them, you know, he could sing or write or anything like that. So when I first saw him on, you know, then and then I saw him on TV and now he got his albums out, I was like, oh, shit. So it was like, you know, and what's funny is is, is, is, is, uh, Tiny is my second cousin. Tiny.

Yeah. Oh, so your people's Atlanta. Wow. Yeah. I got, I got a, I got a lot of family in Savannah. That's where my mother and my father's from. So we're both. I did not know that.

I got a lot of people in Savannah. So, you know, yeah, like, it's crazy. It's great. Like, I had a lot of family members that, you know, I found out that one of the guys from, remember the song, uh, something's going on.

The guy, you and V, you and V, U and V. And two jams. They had something's going on, and they had rolls from my heart, and then it was over.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That group is like a second cousin of mine, too. So it's like, I'm just kind of like, it's, I got a musical. Wow.

It's crazy. What was y'all thoughts? We talked about groups. What was y'all thoughts on, okay, two questions. What were y'all thoughts on 15 minutes by Mark Morrison? And what were y'all thoughts on? Lee, Murph Nelson. Mark Nelson?

Mark Nelson. That's what I'm not about Morris. That's a turning to Mac, which is one of the great songs ever. But, but Marks on Mark Nelson, 15 minutes? 15 minutes. We used to clown mark with that 15 minutes. Well, I tell you the AzDeth's story. I'll tell you that as yet story for me.

Man, let's go. I remember verbatim. I was sitting at the crib. I was watching BET. And I was, this commercial came on. So I got up, walking the kitchen, getting something to drink. Came, a song, video came on. And I heard, I heard the first verse.

And with love of love that I heard, I drank you. And I was like, hold up. I kept listening. And I'm like, oh, somebody is trying to steal our shit. Who the fuck is this? So I ran into the room and I looked at the TV and I'm like,

who the fuck is this yellow nigga? Who's this? What is this other person? Then I saw Mark. I was like, this motherfucker. He just went and did another boy to him in and didn't fuck. He's trying to get us.

He's trying to get us. I can't remember. I don't know if it was wine or Sean. I called somebody. I called. I said, yo, Mark is trying to do it to us because he got a group and they're singing our shit. That's exactly what I said. Now, mind you, I ain't heard nobody that close ever.

So I knew it had to be somebody in the nucleus to know how we did stuff. So I'm like, the way the background harmonies was moving, I was like, somebody was sleeping in my bed. It was the-in-in-bye. Ever, it was not for it. It was the greatest voice in my ever. That was like Tony Rich, the baby face to you. Man, I'm telling you, I lost it. I really, and I was like, dude,

they're trying to get us. Somebody new to code. Yeah. I was, somebody selling it to see it. It kept playing. And it sounds incredible. Like, honestly,

that album was good. That by far was one of the baddest songs I had heard in the, And that, like, that was one of the baddest songs of the 90s, guys. That song was nuts. Yeah. The fact that they had different guys singing different parts, they had the base guy, they had the high guy, they had the fallout. They had the guy with the flips. And the, man, I'm telling you, they were the close.

That song right there was the closest song I've ever heard any group on the planet sing to what we do. All right. Can I add an unpopular take? Because I have a theory. I have a theory. Uh-oh. And if you verify it or if you choose to verify it or not verify it, it's okay. But I have a sneak.

Because here's the thing. I always wanted to know that why did Faces Rain of Hits just abruptly stop in 2001? Coincidentally, the same time that the members of as yet left the fold or at least under left the guy was managing the yes yeah were they his ghost writers

well I will tell you this you didn't say no that Mark did some writing with Fates I do know that now what songs they were good night I don't know this question I'll see you all later honestly

him and I have had him and I have had that conversation and I know he's done some writing I mean, I don't know what. We never got into what songs, but Mark came to them as a writer, not a singer. Right. Right. He was under Yabian, under his wife's thing. Right, exactly.

And when that imploded, then he got, yeah, he got put into ads yet. That wasn't his get up. I know. Where does he live now? He's actually back in New York now. I just talked to him two days ago. Okay, I just meant like what kind of houses he's living in Trump Tower. That's how you know.

No, no, no, no, he's not, no, not. No, not. Not quite that. Now, I wanted to ask Babyface that question when he did the show, but, you know, we had such a good vibe. I didn't want to be like, all right, though. You didn't really write all the songs. Did you? Who really wrote them?

Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you this, dude. Here's the one thing with Face, man, and I'll tell you, and I'm sure the guys can vouch, man. One thing that though we wrote, we wrote pretty good songs, we learned how to critique our own ability. who write songs by writing with this guy. Meaning, you would hear him, he would write a song, he would write a lyric or a verse.

And he would sing it, he would play it over and over again. And he'd take out a word, he put another word in, he'd take out another word, put another word in. Now, if all of us were listening, we'd be like,

it flows just fine. His theory, and it's a really interesting theory. His theory is, your song will never be done until you stop because if you don't stop, if you're a good enough songwriter, you'll always find a better way to write that song.

You always find a way to make it better. 100%. So eventually it's not about how good you are as a songwriter. It's when you know and have the ability to stop. Right. Because otherwise, you'll just sit there. You know what I'm saying? And he was, no, that's not.

And somebody like him, like, we learned how to put certain notes on certain words because people would hear, it's a, it's, let's just say it was a major third chord that hit the home run of a song. Like, what's this song? Science. Say I love you.

Say I'm drinking. A little bit, it always will be there. Like the way he puts certain words that lands on certain chords, they're for you to remember those words. You ever notice when we think of the song, we may not always know the song, we'll go, no, no, no, no, and I love you because the I love you are the notes

that he put there on purpose that he knew you were going to remember that part. That's how he writes records, which is extremely injured. I never knew that before we sat with him. And you don't really know unless you have the conversation. The funny thing about the funny thing about the song writer.

Oh, go ahead, Sean. I was going to say, the funny thing about songwriters now, too, in comparison, the songs that are out now that I listen to, the R&P songs, be specific. They were, they're written a lot like how we used to write our songs previous. Like, you know, there were songs that we were write, and we would let babyface hair, for example. And he also would say, you know, say less. Like, you know, like, with everything that you're saying, you know, we would try to fit in a sentiment. I love you and everything.

And we're growing together and blah blah blah and all that stuff. And he would basically say, say less. Just say I love you. Like, yeah. And sometimes that's it. You don't need to say anything else. And I've noticed that a lot of songs now with R&B records. And I got a 16-year-old son.

And he can't even follow a lot of the lyrics that go on with our artists because there's so much being said that the- It's like they're almost trying to be rappers. You know what I mean? It's almost like, And the real rap, I mean, if we don't keep it all the way funky, we kind of got, to me, I think we kind of got bone to blame for that. But you know, we were taught in songwriting that you have to understand

that the average audience of who you're writing for, you've got to look at them as having a seventh grade education. You can't give them too much. You got to get right to the point so they'll never forget it. Joy, Ms. Clint said the same thing. We had him on. And he was saying, he was like, all that problem. And he said, man, I was just trying to write nursery rhymes.

Yeah. And that's what it was. And that's it. Face just has you. I'm going to tell you, it's deeper than his songwriting dude. It's his freaking melodies. His melodies are things that just, they just live inside you, dude. They're like, to answer your question, because I know you asked this question about the last,

this is going to be the last question. And we went forward for it. I never really had a person that I met. in the business that I felt that way about that, oh my God, they kind of lit me up. Because my favorite, my favorite person that passed away already was just Sam Cook. I was a big Sam Cook, Soulsters fan,

Highway QC, like all of that. I grew up on that, you know, Southern Gospel stuff and Sam put you into contemporary. So you never met Bobby Woolman? The guys up in Chicago. Yeah, I figured, or I figured at least Bobby Wormack could feel that voice for you. So I grew up with all that, but I will tell you that face for me on the songwriting aspect was the only person because, I mean, I love Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis because of their fields and the things that they did.

But I always wanted to know how this guy was able to write the song, where, again, it's always intriguing to me how he puts the right notes on the right words. It means everything to a song, dude. I don't care what you're... People used to say, well, here, I've got a poem. Can you make this into a song? It's not that simple. Unless you know how to physically put the right words on to the right note that people remember,

it's not going to have the significance. He is a genius at figuring out the best way to do that to where if you don't know the words, you just hum the melody and then maybe three words, you know? And it's on those notes that he's, made sure he put there on purpose. That, that, that's the guy that if you asked me in my career, that I kind of was being around him and working with him,

that was all struck for me. Face was like that for me, you know what I'm saying? Just as a, you know, songwriter, like I would study him and Face, and he was kind of like, him and Stevie were my two. Like when you talk about, like, putting, you know, the power of this melody, Stevie was just someone who his melodies would be like very simple and you could just sing it

but the shit he playing under that shit yeah yeah yeah nigger you know what I mean like you know piano players could never agree it's like well I think this is a F minor 13 and you know why

because he don't know he can't see the shit he don't know he just feels he just all the feel 100%. Well, unpaid Bill What was the question? I think this episode officially tops

the Huey Lewis episode as the most educational Wow educational. This is a high level game right here, bro. This shit is a thing. You know, I did less talking. I did more listening.

Boyst to Ben should teach choral music at universities because clearly they need a kid. For real. You know what I'm saying? Like, it would, I would take that class at whatever, but. I mean, just guess. Yeah, y'all didn't just start a Patreon.

I put something on this shit. Hey, no, but seriously, they got wine. So they go. Hey, man. Um, thank you, bro. You know what I'm saying? Thank you for always being real. Always.

Thank you. Same. Every time we see you, man, it's always the same. It's like we left off, man. You know, you are real brother. You're a real brother. You're a.

really, really loved over here, man. And any time you need us, you know. And I'm telling you, I don't do much shit in Corona without getting paid, nigga. So you, you, you mean something. I'm not. Cheers. And my mother's, I'm here.

I'm here. Like, this is all, this is all cap of my guys who love, we love, we love. That's all this is about. I love you guys. I love you guys. All right. Well, guys, thank you.

This, I'm not blowing smoke. I, this is, this is, this should have been a master class. Number two, nigga. Man, fucking boys. This should have been a masterclass. Thank you very much. I appreciate this. On behalf, man, for real.

Thank y'all. Thank y'all, for real. Y'all made every slow jam tape I ever made for a girl from like seven days. When? Win. We made all the truth. Yes. When I was having sex to music.

Yes, when we was having sex to music. We used to call them butt tapes. Let's be real. Let's be real. That's what we called. My crew would tell you we used to call, yo, we're the butt tape, cuss. Okay.

Wait. Okay. I promise you this is the last question. This is the last question. Because you guys have kids now. Watching your kids and seeing how Gen Z is. Do you have hope, musical hope for the future? And I'm not, and I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to make this a pitfall into like grumpy old guy.

I'm what you do. And I'll speak because I guess my son that's involved in music right now is the oldest. I do have a little hope. He grew up with us. He understands it. He shares it with his friends. He can see the difference. Now, I was always concerned that most.

kids nowadays can't see the difference. I was also concerned that we were turned into our grandparents or our fathers like, oh, well, we don't like that. But there really is something to the music that we've done because if you notice the 90s and everything is starting to come back around because

a lot of these kids just weren't exposed to it. I think the exposure is more important than anything. They will make the right decisions, but they have to be exposed. I saw that, and to your point, Nate, I saw that a couple years ago, when they had

it was a social media thing where they had the running man challenge or whatever but everybody was dancing to Mah Boo by Ghost Town DJs and I saw like a bunch of kids they're like oh what is this song and like that was one of the first times

I saw a song from like 96 that song is from 96 that shit re-entered it went like number one again after like however like 20 plus fucking years. They just gotta be exposed man it's got to be exposed

it's happening to Fleetwood Mac right now. Yeah, exactly. Dreams is now a top five song in 2020. On Build. Crazy. I'm telling you, man. The melodies, man. It's happening. Melodies. Well, gentlemen, I thank you very much from the bottom of my

heart for doing the show. Thank y'all, brother's, man. For real, this is been amazing, man. Oh, man, like, just thank y'all for everything. Thank you for the music, for real. On behalf of Sugar, Steve, by you, Fontecolo and L.A. Laser Hair Removal, formerly known as I feel like Koot Steve.

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