The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Ceelo Green Part 1

Episode Date: December 18, 2023

In part 1 of this Classic QLS, the legendary CeeLo Green revisits the onset of his career. He recalls the Dungeon Family days, and details making Goodie Mob's first two albums, and shares a profound love for all Hip Hop. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Laia. And this week, we are traveling back, back, back, back to June of 2020 when we finally caught up with Sealo Green. Yep, Seelow Green. He talks about finding his voice, Goody Mob, Nall's Barkley, and all the good stuff. It's so good that it's a two-parter. We know you love those. As we cue that up for you, don't forget to make sure you check out our whole dungeon family series of interviews. Oh yeah, y'all.

from organized noise to my girl Joy to even Quest one-on-one with Andre 3,000. Yup, it happened. So here is part one of Cilo on Questlove Supreme. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. I'm Questlove here with Laia, Sugar Steve, Unpayville, and Fonticola. Hey, how bad did we miss our theme song? Oh. It's just playing in it.

Just play it in your, just comment a little bit. It's a game of roll call. Yeah, it's killing me inside that. We're doing all these, these great episodes. Because he would have killed it. Yeah, with no roll call.

It's killing me inside. Maybe we asked someone later. We got, we got to think of a way to do social distance roll call. Exactly. Ladies and gentlemen, please, uh,

welcome. Uh, Our guest today, legendary gentlemen. I know this is kind of, I always get weird when I like have to introduce people that I really, really, really know, not like people that just mire on television or whatever. Exactly. Yeah, but. Five-time Grammy winner, the most transformative emcee in the game. I mean, I'm sorry.

Yes. Our guest. Did I take that? Yes. Yeah, multiple Grammys, I will say even more like one of my, really one of my favorite. favorite singers living today, I mean, I could name maybe like four of them that I really like, not even people that are able to sing, but people that are able to move you when they sing. Not to mention, very effective MC.

Most people forget that as one fourth of the legendary Goody Mobb in Atlanta. What more can I say? Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to Questlove Supreme, the one and only. Thomas DeCarlo Callaway, aka Cilow, Green. I did not know your middle name was DeCarlo. Yes, yes. Greetings, kings and queens. How are you?

What's going on, brother? How you feel? We could. What's up, brother? Were you right now? I'm in Atlanta. Technically, I'm an hour outside of Atlanta. I'm out in Peachtree City.

I live out in the country out here. So you never left Atlanta? You always, did you ever live in L.A. for a while? Or were you always Atlanta? I did. When I was out there doing the boys, I was there for about five years. And then I left L.A. And I lived in Las Vegas for two years.

And then Miami for two years. And now I'm back in Atlanta. Okay, got you. I think the last time I saw you, it was a minute ago, me and Poo, we ran into you outside of Bossa Nova in L.A. Yeah. It was late night. It was at the show.

And I recognize y'all. Y'all act like y'all was surprised. And I recognized, you know what I'm saying? I've seen you. I said, look at the home boys. Was you guys? Hey, bro, I know. Yeah, I, you know, I never assumed that, you know, cats would know who we were.

So, but I guess if you see us together, that's when you can kind of do the math. Oh, no. But, yeah, man. Quest would be able to affirm that, you know, I'm a real head, you know, so, so, yeah, you can pop quiz me and just about, just about any topic. I should, I should, I should pan out pretty good. That's what's up. Yeah. What's up?

What's your doing? I'm chilling here on a, on a ranch. A little sad now because I just got news today that my four of my poultry friends have passed away. Apparently a raccoon discovered how to get inside the hen. See now, Steve's laughing right now. Those don't know. I'm quarantining. I quarantine upstate New York.

You know, when I started, it was five chickens and six baby ducks. The baby ducks are now as big as Debo on Friday. So now they bully the chickens. That's a big duck. Meanwhile, raccoons and foxes have found inventive ways to come and eat the chickens. How do we know that it's foxes and raccoons that are murdering the chickens? Because we can clearly see who it is. Yeah.

Well, I'm just saying ever since you showed up to the ranch, chickens. Oh, yeah. I'm mysteriously disappearing. Whatever, Steve. So that's dope question I'm on a ranch too we have a ranch property out here In Atlanta You got animals?

No Because the property We've been kind of using it as a vacation rental property and Airbnb Because I haven't been living in Atlanta primarily So no when we first got this property about 12 years ago They kind of they threw a couple of horses in You know as a package

But you know Whoa No no no but I didn't You know, I had to, you know, decline because, you know, first, then I did my diligence and I found out that the horses are very expensive to take care of. And then, of course, I just didn't have, I didn't have staffing on anything to do anything like that. So I was like, no, thank you. I appreciate the gesture, but no, no thanks. So no, no animals.

Yeah, definitely. Taking care of animals on a farm is a full-time job. How about that for the full circle moment, though, talking to South Philly and Atlanta over here. Now y'all both got, y'all are both on ranches. Now we all are farming. Never thought the hip hop would take it this far. What part of Atlanta were you born in, see? Southwest Atlanta.

Swats. Swats, the South. Okay, so explain to me what Swats is. Ah, Southwest. Southwest Atlanta, too strong. Laya, you can only claim one place. Don't start claiming everything. Okay, so Southwest Atlanta is,

it's like a four street kind of conglomerate that starts at Campbellton Road which is where Tyler Perry's first television studio was based right around the corner from Greenberry Mall. I grew up on that street. It was a vacant Delta building that he converted into his first studios and then he ultimately went on to buy Fort McPherson

which was an abandoned army base. But anyway, so yeah, no, it's that. It's Camelton Road on up to Bankhead Highway, which is where T.I. is from T.I. and then rest in peace, shouty low, they represent Bankhead. So, like, it's just like a four-street parallel. And, you know, East Point is one street over, you know, where Big Gip is from, from Goody Mob, and then, you know, you keep going on that.

been college park is another few miles over. That's ludicrous. That's two chains and those guys. Didn't Diallo said that he went to school with Celo? He went to. I don't know if he went to, not Diallo Riddle. His, I think he said he went to Benjamin Mays.

Yeah, I know Diallo. Yeah, he went to Benjamin Mays. Me and him work on a show together, a Sherman Showcase. I know Sele, no Sherman Showcase. Yeah, yeah. I know Diallo since. since we were kids. Oh, wow.

Wow. Yeah, yeah. I was trying to figure out. I knew that Diallo went to school with someone notable, but I didn't know if it was you or Big Boy. It was you. That's a fact. We went to Maze and Big Boy and Dre.

They went to Tri-Cities High School. Okay. Yeah, so Candy from Escape went to Tri-Cities with them. So in your, in growing up, first of all, are you the only child or you have other siblings? Yeah, I have one of the siblings. I have an older sister, but kind of like having an older sister is basically like being like the only child still. She didn't like, she did not like me when we were kids.

I was locked out of her own, you know. How much older was she? Two years older. Oh, okay. So she's like, yeah, no, we were really close. Now she's like, she's my realtor. She's my property manager, project manager, a co-founder of our foundation. She's a dynamic woman.

Yes, she is. He saw her unsung. She's beautiful. So in growing up, what was the musical environment like in your household? Because I imagine with that voice that someone in that house had to been singing it or was that? Yeah. Well, both my mother and father were ministers, but I wasn't just completely like sheltered. You know, in spiritual or gospel.

even though I spent a considerable amount of time in church and around gospel music, which I love. I love the Clark sisters, Leon Patillo, you know, even Amy Grant, you know what I mean. Damn, you said Leon Patillo. Amy Grant. Yeah, Tom out. You said Leon Patillo. That's, you know, I'm real. That's how you know I'm real.

Oh, my God. And, of course, the whinings, you know what I mean? So that means Christian Radio was on in your house all the time. It was. It had to be. But then I had then I had that secular side of me because my mother had friends outside of

that, you know, church is like a little social network. I mean, so she had friends that she did business with outside of out of her church community. And one of them was a legendary radio personality

by the name with Ali Pat. So you could you could research him and, you know, him and Josea Williams. Like, they were friends in my mothers when I was young. And so I would go to the radio station and he gave me a box full of 45s. And so I would listen to stuff like, you know, Johnny Taylor and Zizi Hill and B.B. King and Bobby Blueland. So, like, I love the blues growing up too. The gospel was like the blues almost.

Like it was, it was, you know, there was a parallel that, you know, that connected to two, if you ask me. I want to know at what age was your voice developed? I can remember, man, who sings? Gene Chandler. It's a song called The Rainbow. And we used to sing this, you know, in the family tennis shows in front of the big floor model TV in the den. So it was this song, and then it was Jackie Wilson's dog and me around.

So I knew that, yeah. Girl. Dogged me around. Right, right. So if you notice, I can imitate him. So, like, that's how I learn how to sing because, you know, that's that first form of flattery. You know what I mean? Absolutely.

It's imitating. And then you filter it into, you know, what's to become your own living experience in the way that, you know, you interpret life, you know, or, you know. and then it's kind of reiterated in its own, you know, new and, you know, it's like a hybrid theory of something. So, like, no, I, Jackie. So you weren't, like, traditionally singing in church and like. No, well, I did a couple of solos in church. I was mostly kind of fascinated with the band.

We had a, I went to Grace Covenant Baptist Church. That was our first family church in Atlanta. And the band was just fantastic. You know what I mean? And so I would sit right in the pew right behind the band. and it was set to the far left of the, you know, the church. And I was just sitting there and watch the drummer. So at that time, I wanted to play drums.

You know what I mean? And then I was always fascinated with the organ. I guess it's that big joint. It's not the Oberheim, but it's like, you know, it's that big three-level joint. You know, and I always loved the organ. And it gave me, it struck a chord with me because I'm a Gemini, so therefore I have that duality of, you know,

they say half, half mortal, half God kind of thing. So, you know, so it sounded really righteous and then it sounds really evil in one way, too. So, like, to me, that's like the ultimate, like, instrument. So it really, it really struck a nerve with me. And it kind of, it kind of, like, you know, open me up where I can kind of, you know, identify with different energies in song, what I mean? So I could tell if something had something intentful or something was really real about something. You know what I mean?

I hope I'm saying that right. It's funny to, no, it's funny to hear you say, you describe it like that, because as a kid going to church, like the organ to me was also an instrument. Like, it could sound beautiful in some ways, but then it could also sound kind of ominous, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. When they would play, like, on Scooby-Doo, the theme, the boom, brum, brum, yeah.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. So, yeah, that was, that was kind of like my relationship to gospel music as well. Like, it was, it was, I saw it as something that was, like, my grandparents' music. And it was in our household, it was kind of like you had to listen to it. You know, we ain't going to listen to no rap today. We're just playing gospel.

It was almost like a punishment. But in that was where I found, you know, Mighty Clouds of Joy, Jackson Southern there's, like all the quartet gospel. Yeah, that was my stuff. Just a rehearsal when we get to heaven. Yeah, come, I know that. And then you got Willie Mitchell, nothing I mean, like who there? Yeah, high records.

Yeah. Yeah, it's just, it's derivative of that church, you know, organ background. Like, and it just made all that Al Green music just sounds so, so, so familiar, so warm. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah, that's what, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, it's the best. Okay. It just hit me.

You, you, you, you're born in 1975, which makes you, six years old in 1981. Mm-hmm. What can you describe to me or at least from your point of view because the one thing that I knew the most about Atlanta at least growing up was about the child murders I was just supposed to say that yeah that occurred down there so what was your childhood into especially in those early years was it like you had to be inside 24 seven like how did that how did that affect at least with the murder Hurtors hanging over everyone's heads in Atlanta with black children. How did that affect your childhood for those early years? Well, I lived just moments from the community park, which was West Manor Recreation. And, you know, I wasn't, you know, I was never that far away.

But I do remember that time of where I was, I was far. enough where I could hear my mother calling, you know, just like the song, I can hear my mother call. Yeah, Cosmic Slot. Cosmic Slot. I can hear her. Yeah, I can hear her calling. And so I was that close, relatively close.

And so everything was there, whether it was just kind of community, you know, Jamie, literally football and stuff like that. So all of the activities were right at the end of the street, which was safeguarding, you know, for me in that time. I remember being in elementary school and them having the coloring books about, you know, not taking candy from strangers and, you know, this, that of the third. And I remember the song that was, it's synonymous with that subconscious time in my life is Jesus was loved by the Commodores. By the Commodores, yeah. I would hear that song all of the time, and it gives me the chills to say it because, you know, it was just a frightening time.

You know what I mean? When you hear it now, that's what you think of. That's what I think about. Is it weird to see it resurfacing in so many ways now? HBO has a special. My hunters did a whole season on it. I watched it. I watched the documentary.

And what's my man named? Will Packard, the one that they did. I watched it. And it was, you know, it was definitely informative, you know, not to be able to look back on the, you know, the experience as an adult. You know, I mean, it's kind of, it's really sobering to look back on it now. It was surreal as a child because we were terrified and we just didn't really know where this, this evil, you know,

or, you know, what kind of what corner it would come from, you know, what it would jump out from behind. So, you know, everybody was being careful and I just remember that being, you know, just a time of just a closeness and togetherness and just trying to be protective of one another. You know what I mean? And yeah, but. Sly confession, any time, it's where you mentioned the Commodores because whenever they would show

Wayne Williams, I'd always think of Walter Clyde Orange, the drummer from the Commodores. That's right. I'm going to hell for that one. Oh, you're not. Because,

I got a sense. Oh, but Wayne Williams had those. So with us, Walter? It was the glasses. It was the glasses, man. They actually, yeah, they, they resembled each other.

Damn, you're right. And it's crazy because Goodymov's manager, her name's Lakeisha Orange, that's her uncle. Wow. Yeah. Wow. What? That was true. It's true story.

Damn. Damn. Was Goody Mob your first musical venture or like, did you have other groups growing up in in Atlanta? Yeah, I had one other group before Goody Mobb. I had a, I was in a crew called a GA style. with my man Ali Al, who was from Jersey, my man DJ Wen, who passed a word some years ago,

recipe's DJ Wayne, just until he had a birthday, his cousin, Q, you know, and, you know, and, oh, DJ Will got a shout out, sugar bear. So, yeah, no, but we were just kind of, you know, in Atlanta, we had the temporary service agencies of where you can just kind of sign up and be a part of their roster. And they would call you kind of randomly, you know, on any given morning and be like, hey, are you available for work at this warehouse or this, that, or the third?

Manpower. Manpower. Yeah. So we would all, you know, get jobs together and, you know, pool money together. So that was my first support system. They were all older than me. I've always been, you know, the youngest and any crew that I've been in. So, Allie Al ended up marrying my sister and having two beautiful daughters, my nieces. And so, like, you know, they were family and they were kind of really looking out for me because around that time I was really at risk youth. I was getting into a lot of trouble. And, you know, they really gave me some structure.

You know what I mean? Because they were, they were straight-legged guys. You know what I'm saying? Like really no drinking, no smoking, just to working back and putting money together to, you know, buy studio time. We're just doing it, doing it the, you know, the real way. You know what I mean? So, you know, I owe a lot of debt of gratitude to them because they really gave me quite a bit of my moral fiber.

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Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Maricopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get podcasts. How deep was or how strong was the first wave? I mean, I consider the LaFace era, the second wave of Atlanta's or maybe the beginning being Bobby Brown moving to Atlanta, but more than- Olympics, like post-Olympics, it felt like is when stuff started. Well, I mean, Bobby moved there in, I think in 88, 89 and I thought, that's weird. Like, why would you not go to Hollywood like everyone else? So, I mean, but, you know, I know, I don't. I mean, but, you know,

I knew like people, Bryson moved down there. I knew like certain people knew something about Atlanta that the rest of the world didn't know. But like how prominent, I mean, besides Brick, like how prominent was the music industry in Atlanta in your teen years? Well, we definitely knew of Brick, uh, Jimmy Brown from Brick, uh, who's playing that. Sleepy's Dad. Yeah, that's Sleepy Brown's Dad, you know, playing that iconic flute solo on, on Das. Right. You know what I mean?

So we knew about Brick and we knew about Cameo, the SOS band, Princess and Star Breeze, who ends up being Miss Deborah Killings, who's doing all of the background work for TLC and played bass on so many other, you know, famous records. That's right. She is playing bass on elevators, I think. That's right. That's her playing baseball on the show. Yep. Yeah. Yep.

So, you know, on the rap side, you know what I mean? Like we had M.C. Shai D. who was from, he was from New York, but he's like the first, like, breakout dude. You know, but there was, you know, only a other couple of rap sensations that came out of Atlanta around that time. So it was just mainly about the funk and soul bands of that time. And I think maybe would have, probably would have attracted Bobby Brown to Atlanta. It probably was Dion Sanders or something like that.

You know, I guess Larry Blackman did produce his first record. That's right. He produced his first record. King of Stage, yeah. Yeah. So maybe he came to Atlanta to work with Larry. Larry, of course, was a mentor of mine now. I talked to him all in time. May him just had birthdays recently.

So, yeah, I talked to him all of the time. How's Larry doing, man? He's still cool. How's he doing? He's good. I mean, he's really easy going. Just like a soft-spoken OG. He's, you know, just done a lot.

You know what I mean? And it's a lot of love whenever I talk to him because I can just, I can, I can quote him so well. You know what I mean? I just feel like, yo, like, let me just love on him. You know what I mean? And, you know, he, at one point, I had introduced him to my management firm primary way. And they were representing the group for a short while to try to help them, you know, get their ownership and their masters back and stuff like that. you know, but, you know, we befriended each other throughout that time.

He's just a great all-around guy, talented. Just this an unsung individual. So talented, man. Did they still touch the stage? Does Camille? Do they still, yeah, I think they still tour. I'm not sure how extensively now, but I know like a few years back, they were still moving around.

And they actually, you know, so this would be five years ago, because at my 40th birthday, they were surprised guest performance for me. at my 40th birthday. So everybody came out, you know, did all of the greats. I used to love Alligator Woman. Y'all know that record? Aligato Woman.

Oh, yeah. That was one with Vanity on the cover. Vanity's on the cover. Alleged a woman. You know, I didn't really know what that was. I was like, what kind of music is this? Only you and DeAngelo love that song, man. Right.

Flirt was my joy, but they always going, Alligator, Mama. It's like a little sort of a new wave. nod, their nod to new wave? Yeah, I think it definitely was a nod to new wave.

I mean, like, you know, because I end up over hearing some conversations. Maybe I watched the interview with James, and he was basically saying

that Super Freak was inspired by Devo's Whippet. I mean, like, so I think everybody was trying to, trying to cash in on that just a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

No, what? Can you put together or properly put in context how the dungeon family gets built? like instead of just asking like how to goody mob form

how did the entire collective become that or was it just a mythical marketing thing or like no were you guys teenagers in the beginning and then had a plan to well at the time Rico Wade and sleepy brown

were part of a dance troupe called guests and the dance troops were the superstars in the city at that time because, you know, all of the, you know, all of the high schools had different tenant shows. So it's basically going around like on a promo tour, you know what I mean, in the city. So they were kind of, you know, locally celebrated, you know, because, you know, they were, you know, they were one of the more famous ones.

It's them, the stray cats, you know what I mean? Like, which was a ganga. I was a part of the stray cats. Like a ganga. You guys for me were young dro from Atlanta? Yes, come on. I don't know, Joe. Okay.

Okay, so y'all know how Joe Dress. Joe Dress is like he's, he grew up in, you know, like he's a part of a golf community or something like that. Like straight. He's basically like super prep, super prep. So like it's like the Atlanta version of the lowlifes in New York, you mean? Ah, got you. Got you. First and how on them boys.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we was on it real hard like that in Atlanta too. So like treetons and Benetone bags and tennis rackets and stuff like. You know, I just had on a fair treat toys the other day, man. But anyway, they still make them? They still make them. Because Dre, because Dre, he had his own line. He just released like a year so ago.

Yeah, he did a line with them. I got a couple of boxes, you know, courtesy of the homie. But no, okay, so to answer the question, so yeah, so everybody knew them. And then they were also a part of an R&B crew called the U Boys. So it was Sleepy Brown, Rico Wade, Mr. DJ, who ended up being the DJ for Outcast. He's Rico's cousin. And Marquess Elfeyritch who ended up riding waterfalls. Yeah.

So they were a group called the U Boys. And I remember I had gotten expelled from the Atlanta Public School system. So I couldn't even go to school in Atlanta. So I had to be taken away to Gainesville, Georgia, and I went to Riverside Military, Riverside Military Academy. I was something else as a kid. What they're going to? I'm like, you're going to come back today.

Might as well. What they expel you for? I'm just troublesome, man. I don't know, bro. Yes, you do. That's a whole school system. That's a lot of whoopee cushions under the system, right? You ain't no class clown.

That's beyond. I was just getting it so much. trouble. I don't know what was wrong with me at that time. But yeah, so, um, so I came back. I came back and I had to go to Frank McLaren Alternative School, which was a school for dropout. And so me and Andre 3000, um, were classmates, uh, in the third grade. So we went to elementary school together. And we were like, we were play cousins. So we were really, we were really close. He was like my brother. Well, we were babies pretty much. And so I ended up coming back to Atlanta, enrolling in Frank McLaren alternative school,

which was across the railroad tracks from Tri-Cities, which is where he had dropped out of school. So we both were dropouts, and we were going, trying to get their GED, and that's when we reconnected after not having seen each other for years. Okay, so I saw a U-Boy's picture there. It was like, you know, how you might see something. They may have been passing out those black and white, you know,

groups, you know, with the got the managerial information Yeah, like the promo picture, the black and white, yeah. So it was that, but it was on the ground. And I just recognized, you know, I recognize Sleepy Brown from, from dancing in the talent shows because they were famous. They were, they were like the hottest ones around for a long time. So he always had to look about himself. I'm like, I recognize him.

And I recognized Marquois's Elfey's too. So I saw that, me and Drake hooked back up. That's that. I introduced him to DJ Wynn and DJ Allie, and I tried to get them to be a part of the GA style, and we went over with this little, you know, they did their first demo with DJ Wynn. That, you know, that didn't work.

Did I remember one day they came back up to school with some look? And then he introduced me to, oh, the day he introduced me to Big Boy is when I took them to meet DJ Wynn. So they took the train over there. They came up to the school. We all rolled the train to DJ Wins, and that's that. But, like, shortly, after that they came back and it was like

yo we met these we met these dudes he was talking about organized noise he's like yo he's like yo he said yo dude is cool but man these dudes well they got some fucking you know I mean they got some heat you know so then what year is this this is like

90 90 90 90 90 90 90 19 92 okay I don't know I guess what year what year the DOS effects come out like 92 91 yeah 91 that was dead serious 91. All right. So that's your Marcus, see, though.

Because that's what we was on. I mean, like, you know, that would, I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was Doss effects for me and Dre. It was Doss effects. It was leaders of the new school. Um, I forgot who else may have been rocking at that time. Souls was us. Well, soles a big influence.

I definitely heard the influence outcast. Yeah. Souls and Mr. Come on. Taj. OPO. You know what I'm saying? Like the old one.

You know, uh, Domew. Domino, casual. So there was definitely an openness to, well, I guess there wasn't territorial markings until 93, 94, but. Before then, you were open to anything. In the South, we had to study everything, man. That's why, like, we had to study, yeah.

Yeah, we loved it. We loved it. So basically, I'm trying to narrow the story down. Okay, so a good friend of mine, Pretty Ken Pretty Ken ended up been a good friend of mine And he ended up You know

That's your new name Bill Pretty Ken I'm thinking of PT King I'll take that I always wonder who he was Because you shouted him out At the Goody Bag first I was like

Who was Pretty Ken? That's a great name So Pretty Ken and my cousin Floody They ended up creating the addict crew Now me and Ken Ken were like Kendrick's Kempirous And when I was introduced

To Organize Noise You know he was He was like my role dog. I was living with Ken at the time. Oh, wow. So, like, we went over there together, but our tones of voice personalities, you know, swag of the whole thing.

We were like, we were bosom buddies. So, like, they just, you know, they took to me a little bit more and wanted to work with me. And they just felt like me and Ken were too similar. So, you know, he ended up starting the addict crew, which would give you Jim Crow, pro, prolo, the young bloods, and that whole movement.

So that's pretty kid. But his cousin, Fat Keith, was a friend of mine. That's you, Bill. That's your new name. Fat, Keith. I'll take it. I'll take that shit too.

I'm giving you all these names. I'm down. Me and Fat Keith, we're at Greenbrier Mall, right? So we're walking past, you know, the door about to leave out. There's like 10 payphones in a row.

There's this dude standing there with his back to us. Keith recognizes him. And he taps on the show that this Marquez Etheridge. And then I recognized them from the picture. I said, because you know, I got like a photographic memory there. So I'm like, oh, okay, that's the home boy from that picture I saw.

Like, you know, or whatever. So he said, yo, my homeboy sing and he could rap. You should check him out. You know what I'm saying? So I went outside with him and I sang for him. I rap for him. And he said, well, I was actually on the phone trying to call over to the dungeon. He said, I know that they're there, but, you know, maybe the music is up too loud or something.

And Keith was like, we'll take you over there. What is it? He was like, yo, it's like, you know, 166, you know what, which is the expressway, you know, over by the fairgrounds. I said, we know it's like 10 minutes up the roll. So he jumps in the truck with us. I go over to the dungeon, and I'm leaving out one part. One time, so after Dr. and Bing introduced and the thing didn't work out with DJ Winn, they came back. They said, man, we're about to do a showcase for the face records.

They had on the face record T-shirts, and they both had blonde hair. They had blunt, short blonde haircuts, and they were calling themselves two shades deep at the time. So, Dre's original rap name was Jazz. J-A-H-Z, Jazz. And big boys, big boys, you know, giving names Antoine. So it was Jazz Antoine. So, you know, they both had blonde hair. I don't even know what that vibe was.

That sounds like a different guy. They had blonde hair. Do you all remember, do you remember Dallas Austin's first group, Highland Place Mobsters? Yes. Let's get naked. Yes.

Okay, let's get naked. So you remember Chip, Maniac. Yes. Yep. Okay, me and Chip would like play brothers too. The people thought we looked like,

but like Chip is like he was just like me. He like a real fool. And that's why he got his nickname, Maniac. You know what I'm saying? You can call me that too. All right. Thank you.

I'll do that. He was really talented. guy just, just, you know, just one of those over the, you know, over the top, you know, one of those, one of those torture soul type, type, you know, tragedy cages, man, you know, like a good guy, don't love him or death. But anyway, so this is a small community in Atlanta? A small community in Atlanta. So I'm, I got to say this part. So Fank Q takes us over to the dungeon. I remember, I'm recalling the conversation, uh, from Drey and Big, the day that they said they were going to get sign to the face. So we go into the dungeon.

Sleepy Brown sitting there. I recognize him from the U-Boys picture. I sang for him. He's like, ooh, okay, cool. I like it. Then here comes Rico walking in the door with Drey and Big. They had just stepped out to go and get something to eat. Drey, you know, with excitement, say,

that's my dude. That's what I was telling you about. That's C-Lo. He's the one that does all of the story reps. Because at that time, you know, I rhyme like that. Like I was on some, you know, slick Rick. That was like that. You know, so anyway, that's it.

So I sang again for Rico. And then, you know, we ended up, you know, reconnecting and blah, blah, blah. I left that night. And then two other homeboys of mine, this is like months later, Big J.D. and Killer B. Two of the homie hustlers from high school, you could tell they was getting money in high school. You know, he had to, he had that black grand Jeep Cherokee with the gold package and the BBSs. You know what I mean? The BBS in high school?

in high school. Like, you remember the one heavy, it's the one heavy D pulled up in in the self-destruction video. He had a red one. I don't know if y'all ever called it. Yeah, I remember that. So anyway, so they was managing me at the time,

you know, because they met, they, even though I knew them, they didn't know, nobody knew I did music. Everybody knew me for getting into, getting into shit. And they're like, you know, go get, go get Carlo. He'll do it. I was that kind of guy. You know, so we were at, we were at my homeboy,

Glenn Cook's out. I'm sorry, Quest. Let me just tell you, man. No, we're nerding up over here. Go in. Keep going. No, keep going. I'm more amazed that you were Debo in this situation.

I'm thinking like, I was, man. I'm thinking you're like, Prince B out this motherfucker like that's a flower. The district. Not a school. The district. The whole district. Quest, I was Debo.

Like, that whole, you know, robber motherfuckers for started. and stuff like that, that was me. That's what I did. Okay, now it's coming. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

Here we go. So wait a minute. It's true. No, music, music totally saved my life, man. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me.

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I got to preface. Because the thing is, my favorite verse you ever did on, on still standing, the gutter butter voice. Yeah, we gave up the car. Right, gutter butter. And in my mind, I'm like, I, I see a little get tell a tall tail. Like, he and a badger. about that life, but damn, he sure played well. Motherfucking, you really is living in life.

No, dude. I'm telling you a question. If you just probably do just an interview with anybody else from Atlanta, they'll tell you. I don't really like to talk about it, man. But because I don't know. It's weird. I do time, see, low.

Not my. I know, I know. You're a request, man. Jesus. No, definitely. Most definitely. So listen, I don't want to, I don't want to lose it. So, so, okay, they, I, I, I,

I battled Kujo. If Kujo and Big Gip pulled up to our homie Glenn Cook's house, he was, he was like, who's the guy from American Pie? Stifler. Stifler is my.

So Cook was like Stifler. He had, he's the black Stifler of the other neighborhood. Like, you know, if there was, he was the one that had the cut parties at his house. He could always go at any point of day.

Somebody was there, you know, just bring some beer and a, You know, that's when we were still, we were still going in dollars a piece on nickel bags of weed and, you know, just broke stuff, broke hood shit. You know what I'm saying? Buying, you know, we couldn't even afford to buy the whole pack of Newport.

It's just going to get four Newports. Oh, y'all buying the Lucy's. I bought the Lucy's. Loucies. Wow. Lucy's and Doof-Duce, Cote 45s, old English, we're drinking 40 ounces. It was that era.

It was that era, man. Okay. I battled I battled Coojo because Killer B I'll just say it because he was a wee guy at that time but he ended up being my manager because they you know and so he played me Coojo and Timo's demo. So originally

they were the Lumberjacks. They were the Gudi Mobb Lumberjacks. You know and so I heard their demo and I was like damn you know I knew Timo because he grew up a street over for me. His family's house is a street over from my grandmother's house that I grew up. So I've known him

my whole life too. He's like the second person I've known the longest, him, Dre, and then backbone. I've known them all my life. You know, so anyway, I used to hear about Willie. I heard about his legend. Willie Kujo, the girls called him, he was voted most attractive. And, you know, my sister that would come home because she graduated in their class. So Kujo, Timo, and Gip graduated it with my sister. So I'm three years older than them, but I knew. So, but Willie was just kind of like hunk of a dude, I'm saying, you know, but he was like a brawler,

like Patrick Swayzey and Roadhouse. So, like, you know. So around that time, it was about, it wasn't about gangs. It's most certainly about gangs in Atlanta now, but it wasn't about games. It was about rival high schools. So we grew up how, like, the movie outsiders

was. You know, I mean, you know, we fought in that same part that was at the end of my street, all of the high school fights were take it to the wreck. That's what they call it. It was short for Recreation Center. Let's take it to the wreck. So I've sat there and I witnessed a handful of high school brawls, battle royals. And, you know, but I was an underclassman. And, you know, I was really looking for my turn. So I was really making noise in my grade. And then I eventually start hanging with the older dudes and start going over there and getting into those fights and stuff like that. You know what I'm saying?

So with that, Cook, I battled. So Killer B was setting us the weed, but he ended up being my manager. He witnessed, he became my manager because he witnessed me battle Cujo. You know what I mean? Like, and I'll say that it was a draw. You know what I mean? Like, you know, it was friendly. You know what I'm saying?

Like, but you know, I had the secret weapon. And I start singing on them and all kind of shit. You know what I'm saying? It was like, damn. But, you know, a lot of people like to give me the credit for being maybe one of the first to do that. Them to like myself, Lauren Hill. But I'm like, no, I'm going on the way back to forcing D's and UTF, you know, cold crush and all of those routines.

They used to do with the harmony. So anyway. I was going to say the one promo thing that I've ever missed in the history of roots was when they rent, to a radio station. Do you remember this night? Yes, we freestyling. You know, I remember. We're all y'all freestyle together.

Who? Yeah, uh, Kamal. It was Kamal, Taree. Malik. Yeah. Yeah, it was, it's on YouTube. Get on. Okay, I'll admit it now.

I met, I met, I met, I met a bad shorty in Atlanta. And yeah, I did the people a while. I feigned sickness with the record label like, oh, man, I really got a headache. I can't make this. And they went to the radios. Like normally I would, I'll be the first to hop up. Good for you.

A radio station. So. Quest. Can I, can I, can I get on another 701 for a second? I used to love distortion to static. Do you know that? Let me like, I got that, that, maybe right before that. I think I got maybe like the promo copy of do you want more?

You know what I'm saying? And I remember telling Tyreek. And you know, no, you know him, like, I say, like, yo, I really like the album, bro. You said, oh, yeah, what song are you like? You feel me? Like, he was kind of like. He always asked me. Stop asking people that.

And so, you know, I'm not making it up because I remember it like it was yesterday. And I said, oh, I'm like, you know, distortion static, obviously. You know what I mean, like, Pro C? And I said, like, and then I love lazy afternoon. He's like, oh, shit. You really know. You really know. And I think that was kind of like the beginning of a bond because then we ultimately then end up doing one of our first tour together.

Y'all, y'all made, y'all made such an impression. All I remember, we had spent, we had spent a good three years just in isolation living in Europe. So when we finally came back to the States in 95, like we didn't, we didn't have friends yet. Like there was no common DeAngel, like there was none of that, like the clique that we had. So we were just kind of out there in the open, and y'all were really the first people that we befriended. And like, that shit meant a lot. Like, y'all came to that show.

I think there was a show that we did with the Farside. That's right. And I think that you guys came as like an outdoor show at one of those spots. I think it was the mass parade, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, but, yeah, no, you were always, that's how I know you're a hip-hop pit. and into that. So how, once you guys got together, like how, especially now, like, I can't even imagine

how it is to navigate in a group. Like, how do you determine who does what and concepts and what you guys are? Okay, so I'll cap it off by saying, Killa B and J.D started to manage me after they witnessed that battle. And then they were trying to kind of show me that they were, you know, credible. You know, they came to pick me up one night, you know, and then they took me to Germain Dupree's house. And this is when they were shooting the video for Crisscross. Everything's all right.

It's the record they had. A joint with you. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So that was at Jermaine's house. And I remember that. And I said, okay, so they, you know, it's like we're showing you things.

We introduce and you, expose them. I'm like, that right. You know, cool. Whatever. You know, so then they ended up taking me to the dungeon again. And when we were pulling up on the dungeon, you know, I said, this place looks familiar. So long story short, they brought me back to the dungeon and everybody was there. So I said, I've been here before.

I go in the door, Drey, big, sleepy, everybody who I just met months prior because of Fat Keep and Marquoise, they were all there in addition to Gip and Timo and everybody just pulling. up and it was just traffic over there. And I was like, wow, like, this is like my whole neighborhood in this little bitty house. You know what I'm saying? So that's how the Dungeon family came together. Now, as far as the song structure, I'll be totally

in how we, what the system is, man, what happened was with the success of Outcast, you know, everybody came in as individuals. Let's say, for example, Big Gip and Cool Breeze were in a group called the East Point Chain Gang. So Gip came over as a solo artist. Now, if you notice, Gip had always had,

everybody was, Gip was poised to be the next superstar. You know, because, you know, Dirty South was, which was the third single off of Salfo, you know,

it featured him in Cool Breeze. He was just paying a respect to his OG. Cool Breeze is his OG, and Cool Breeze came up with, he coined the phrase Dirty South. but technically otherwise that would have been a Gip solo song because it's Gip, Cool Breeze, and Big Boy. And then the second album, Black Ice, which was the second single.

Because you weren't on Black Ice, right? Nobody was on it. It was just Gip Big and Grit. So they were really looking for him to really be the next big thing. So with that being said, Goody Mob, you know, the Soul Food album was essentially meant to be, intended to be a compilation album to get everybody out at the same time.

So we weren't even formally a group. So if you go back to- So it's like the ghetto boys. It's like, y'all just put together. So yeah, if you, basically, but it's kind of like the practicality of A RICO Wade

and the vision of A RICO Wade because, you know, let's say I was featured on Get Up, Get Out, you know, which was another, Outcast song off of their album. Yeah. They was on calling a while. And Kujo and T. won't call it in a while. Me and Biggible on Get Up, Get Out.

Get Up, Get Out ended up being a single, but us being so totally ignorant and naive about radio format and that song left. This song was eight minutes. Yeah. We didn't know. We really didn't know, right? So they had to put out an Outcast version and a Giddyma version. So anyway, there was some interest in me as a solo artist, but I was kind of new over to the dungeon. So, you know, it would have been wrong. And to be totally honest, I can, I can say that I wasn't prepared to do a solo artist, but they wanted to give me a solo deal. You know what I mean? So I was all up to get in a group with the homeboys that I had known

from the neighborhood. You know, like, so that's what Gidimov, I said, you know, this is easy enough. know the homeboys. So, um, but you know, I'm the baby in that group. I'm a lot. I tend to be more vocal than just about everybody. So people kind of like misconstrued that, but like not. Everybody's older than me. You know what I mean? Um, and you know. What's the age difference? Like three years. Okay. Well, that could be shit and hip-hop. No, that's a lot. Yeah. It does make a difference. To me too, now I make sense when I, because I went to Clark, by the time all this was happening, I was at CAU. And I used to see CLO on, on Spelman campus and stuff all the time. Just like chilling because that's what people did.

You used to see me down there in the Impala? Yeah, like sitting on the wall. That's it. Yeah, I was down there. Because I was like, I wanted you to talk about like, so you talked about the beginnings of how y'all all got together, but by the time I got to Atlanta, it was a scene that was being set that was like no other pre like black black, black lily like with you guys, Fong Jet.

Well, I'm telling you y'all because like, you know, Spike Lee film school days there. So it's like, you know, the eight. you, that was popping. So that was almost like, that was like the strip. You know, like if you had a nice whip or something like that, you ride through there, you know, howling at the college girls and this side of the third. So, like, it was just this little vicinity, you know, I mean,

like, you know, like, you know, like, socialization. You know what I mean? And it's like right next to the hood. So it's like, so you can get whatever you want at the AU. All HBCUs. Yeah. And we still had Morris Brown at the time. But so look, you know, your question.

see your question, I want to make sure that I'm clear. All right. So with that being said, I just, me, you know, I'm like, I write songs like playwrights, like screenplays. You know what I mean? So, like, I have to have a visual. I mean, like something to anchor me down. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, okay,

like we're talking about this, we're talking about that. And then I know how to summarize and I know how to paraphrase. But then you got artists like, you know, Kujo, who, you know, and I mean this with the utmost respect, he's like fucking Hannibal Lector, you know, man, where he could take his, when I first met Kujo, he was, we would go to the liquor store, have a 40 out of old English, he would finish the 40 and take the brown paper bag and write a rhyme on the paper bag. Or I saw him write rhymes on a roll of toilet tissue. So he would do really cool, you know, you know, swaggeristic, eccentric shit like that,

which made everybody like, taking a notice to, you know, like this big coo, you know what I mean? So, you know, so, you know, I thought that kind of stuff was amazing, you know what I mean. Do you remember to know what their role was in the group or how they were perceived? Well, I'm kind of like that. I was kind of like project manager. You know, I came up with the concept of soul food. You know, I came up with that title. I came up with the concept of, you know, Kujo being the meat because things that he was saying was kind of tough to chew.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, Timo was the bread because Timo was just kind of like independent dude. And I'm saying like, but man, can I live all bread alone? And Gip was the vegetables because Gip is like, you know, this politician. He knows how to wrangle and galvanize and get people together. And I'm like the water because I'm there to be the transparency and the clarification because everybody was trying to interject with new slang. And, you know, it was a whole new identity.

And even I didn't understand what some of what was being said. So I kind of like assumed the position to just make sure that we were translating, you know, the right way. because I knew what we were doing was important. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? And it was imperative that, you know, like we were received, you know, and seen in the right light. I mean, so that's kind of like me.

I'm still like that to this day. But, you know, you know, it's hard to know a lot without being seen as a know at all. Can you dig it? No. And I can be, I can't, I can admit this. I could be a little controlling, but it's always about the quality control.

you know what I mean? As long as you know. Yeah, I know. I know. And it ends up being the loosens a little bit, but like, it's for the greater good. You know what I mean? Like, just trying to make sure that we good. I appreciate the end product.

See, course, that's what you have to be for the, you know what I mean? I know that. I know you can relate to that. I was going to say, so I kind of caught hell, a little hell on the internet. About a month or so ago, I did an interview. Me and Poo, we did an interview with my man, Pizzo, out of hip-hop. out of Vegas. Well, we just were naming our favorite records,

and they would play the records, you know what I'm saying? We talked about it. And so one of the records that Poo named was A.T. L.L. And so he brought up A.T. aliens, and we were talking about it, whatever. And they got on me because I said, well, now is it time to admit, and you don't have the way in on this Celo, but this was just my thought. Can we admit now that Soul Food was a better album than A.T. aliens. Oh, my God.

Like, who you already? Boy, niggas was hot. Jason gets up the room. Okay. Right. And the thing was, and what I wanted to tell you, man, like specifically just to you as an MC,

you know, and let me be clear. I love A.T.L. I mean, that's a classic fucking record. Like, I love that album. But for me, the way I came into Goody Mob, when I bought that album, first off, and I've told this story show before, like, I actually broke the law to, like,

get y'all's album. Like, I drove, I ain't have no license. I'm driving to the record. to buy soul food. So I bought it. So I bought it, you know, then so, like, when I first heard cell therapy, it was, that was kind of weird.

I was like, okay, I like this. This is, it's kind of weird. And then the B side, because I had the, we had the single first, and the B side was soul food on like the CD, you know, so. And so you had like soul food. And I was like, okay. Like they sing.

I was like, okay. But then when I heard, when that shit opened up, but you singing and then going into. thought process. I just thought that was just such a crate, like to open an album on such like a, because most rap albums always started with like the hype that just hitting you over the head. That shit to just go into something just so like slow and meditate. Like that shit was fucking haunting, bro. I was like, yo, this record, these niggas has got it. I will double down. I will go down and say that the day I got the

see me? Free I need a reminder. I'm sorry. Free was so free was so to me it was so I was so

jealous that we didn't create some shit like that. I think I spent a day listening to Free on Loop before I even got by day too then I went to the thought process like the whole rest of the record

but to me Oh man That that album That shit setting it off like that It was amazing And so the thing for me Was when I heard Soul Food That was for me just as an MC

I'd never heard anybody be that honest Sometimes I don't even know how I'm going to eat By $20 away from being on the street I'm like damn these niggas is really Spitting that shit And then like your verse on guess who Like talking about your mom Yeah

And just you know what I mean So when I heard her soul food, I mean, by the time AT aliens came around, I mean, I liked ATLians, but the initial punch, it kind of felt like y'all had beat them to the punch in terms of what I was looking for in the next Outcast album, just the soul, the honesty, just everything.

Y'all kind of beat them to the punch for me. Well, to be totally honest, I will say this. Outcast has always been our flagship as far as Dungeon family is concerned, you know, but we had always been fundamentalist. you know, and an even more effective, um, uh, uh,

um, hypothetical. Well, example is, I, I've described it as this. If, if Dre and Big were Chuck and Flav, we were the S1Ws. Yes. Yes. Yes. You know what I'm saying? 100%. That's, that's the relationship. You know what I mean? Like, even though, uh, me big and Dre are the same. age. You know, and I was supposed to be in Outcast, originally.

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aren't what an outsider's view would think of as traditional Atlanta hip-hop. Not at all. And yet you are, I mean, you're actually establishing it. Like, how open was the Atlanta-Nat-Nat-Nat-Lan-Nate? into this concept. Was it like, you guys are weirdos? Or was it like, yeah, I feel that shit too.

I'll say this. We were like the Zulu nation. You know what I mean? Like, let's say when you know that Africa Bambada, you know what I mean? And the soul sunni for us were the black spades just prior. You know what I mean? You feel me?

It was kind of like that. It's like, you know, everybody realized that we were using the opportunity for a greater good. We were not relishing in, you know, any of the wrongs that we were, you know, that we had done, you know, and that people knew it could have attested to. Like, you know what I mean? You know, it's like, damn. Like, you know, like if anything, we caught people by surprise because we were addressing

certain issues, um, topically, trivially, you know what I mean? Like, you know, just trying to expound upon who we were, you know, like, as our and as individuals as men, as black men, as activists. Because I always say that we were fighting for the civil rights of Southern hip hop at that time. You know what I mean? And we recorded Soul Food in Curtis Mayfield's home studio. So our icons, you know what I mean?

Like, they were alive and well, and we knew that they were watching. And we knew that we needed to do something with some reverence and some respect. Were you one of the writers on, on the, did you say Curtis Mayfield, on the New World Order album, the one, Did you co-write one of those records? No, I didn't, but some of the stuff that I wrote, it didn't really make it, but I was working at the time with the OG Cool Ace. You know what I mean?

You feel me? Yeah, you remember. Yeah, yeah. So for the O'B, I got a shout out Cool Ace, man. Cool Ace. Who's Cool Ace? Yeah, you get up. Cool Ace.

That's your new nickname, Bill. Cool Ace was. Gipps lieutenant in the in the nation of Islam early so um but then he digressed and he became a bona fide pimp. Oh, okay, yeah. That happened. Wait, how are you so? That happens. You were just like, hmm. And then he said, oh, okay, it makes sense.

I want to see, you know, ordinary to Ciloh, you know, that's normal. So, so cool. But he's super duper, duper talented. And I love Ace. He's a good guy. You know what I mean? He's still around. He's still alive.

He's still around. He's like, he's one of those dudes like, you know, he hosts the amateur nights at the strip clubs and stuff like that. That's his thing. But that's, you know, and that's not to, that's not to even be condescending. That's where he wants to be. That's his community. You know, it's like, that's, that's, that's what he loved. That's what he loved to love, man.

That's what he want to be. You think that since you guys came out in such, because Atlanta also was such like a large college town, not just in a sense of like the AUC, but all the colleges there, do you think that that attributed to some of the extra fanage that you had at home? It did.

It did. And everybody was at that time because I, Outcast struck an accord because it had given Atlanta an identity. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, um, Kango. and, you know, guest jeans shorts

and pom-pom footies and Stan Smith. I don't know if y'all know what I'm saying. Yes. Oh, I don't know. Is it all? Yeah. So it was, that's how we dressed in Atlanta. You know what I mean?

So they hit the nail on the head with the imaging. But, you know, we represented like an underbelly. You know, like, you know, and an attitude. you know what I mean like and and aggression I mean and a progression you know because again we felt like we needed to we knew that we were in some regard like frontlining I mean like you know for for Southern hip hop to be counted to be heard and to be respected and so you know I believe that cell therapy it won with with Atlanta because it won with New York first you know that that's the record that got us into the Tom and stuff like that. And we out there, you know, freestyle and with the boot camp clicking, you know, as I got to get to meet all of them early, you know, Ruck and Sean Price and, you know, strange wonder, you know what I mean?

I was going to ask if you had any opinion or reservations about New York post that source moment for Alcast where the. South had something to say. To be totally honest, can I tell you what I was distracted by? I heard the booze, but I wasn't really tripping off of it, man. It was like suspended animation on that evening. You know, there was a lot of tension because of the East Coast West Coast thing, but us being neutral and us being acknowledged, you know, enough to even have been there and been in the building, I was kind of riding high on now. I had gotten some outfit tailor made for it,

and I'm saying, and I'm gonna tell you something else, that's really cool. Biggie Smalls was one of our first supporters, you know what I mean? Like, he championed us, you know, from the inception and off the top. Biggie Small's first shows were opening up for us in Atlanta.

You know what I mean? Puffy shot in directed players ball. He did players ball, yeah. for Outcast. So we all started together. I almost signed to Bad Boy. Andre Harrell was my mentor. I mean, like it has been.

Like, you know, so rest his soul. So with that, I still remember vividly. When we were walking up on that stage, I heard the bulls in my perifial kind of hearing, but I got distracted by the sound of Biggs' voice sitting right there on the front row saying, You know what I'm saying? Right.

Howling at me, you know, and showing us love and letting us know that he, that he rocking with us. And I remember Outcast's first show in New York, we all went together as a crew. And we were performing, I think it was, do you all remember somebody named called Grandma Funk? Oh, my God. Grandma Funk, G-R-M-M-A, I think I remember. That's what I'm calling you. I told me nothing, man Oh, damn, you pulled a glass from the past.

Grandma Funk. Who's up there for Grandma Funk, bro? Oh, damn. So Big then came out. I'm old, man. Bigg showed me love because Big was right there in front of the stage rapping every word to get up, get out with me. You know what I'm saying?

He showed me a lot of love. He showed me a lot of love. He even invited me to be on Ready to Die. I don't really know what I, happened with that. You know what I'm saying? Like, but I was completely naive and new to the game. I didn't even know what he was talking about because I didn't really know how to receive it or even appreciate the invite because big wasn't big at that time. Right. You know what I mean? He wasn't ready to die. Yeah, this was partying boy. Yeah, this like, yeah, party in Bush.

Who's the man sound track? Who's the man? Yeah, yeah. Now, ready to die was a slow burn, man. It wasn't like a record that just did big numbers out the gate. Like, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right You know what I mean like Because I didn't even really like party in bullshit All of the way Like I liked The House of Panyan record

Off that soundtrack Right It was Who's the band Oh that's the man Yeah Because I was I was into Sighton Stirl around that time

DJ Mugs Yeah DJ Mugs So let's that what's up It's safe Oh yeah That Junk Y'all did

On the Sassen I love that record Them the first homies that took us in when we went to LA. So we all got tatted from cartoon, you know what I mean? Okay. So, you know, that's why we'd be really down

with the brown and black, you know what I'm saying? Like making sure we keep the peace and we advocate to that because they show us nothing but love, man. Be Real, just did a song recently with Kujo on one of his independent projects. So the love is still there. It's for Maine Man, almost 30 years. Man, it was a producer y'all had on Soul Food

that I never saw on anything else. Mixo. His name's mixedo. Mixo. Yeah. What's the deal with him? Well, you know, we're in the process of doing another goody model right now as we speak, actually.

And it's funny that Quest even asked that question of how we get songs done. And it's, you know, it's tedious. And I'm saying, you know, because like, you know, we're older. I'm saying like, you know, like, you know, everybody's entitled. I mean, like, you feel me? But it's always been that kind of combustible kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like, you know, but Mixo, Mixo was, he was Cujo and Timo's original producer.

So he was producing the lumberjacks. Okay. And, you know, they had a other couple of dope songs that I was supposed to make the album, but they were in a legal suit with their form of management, and they couldn't use that material. So, you know, everybody just wanted to honor Mitzzo because of that sound. And I just spoke to him the other day. I said, man, dude, you're the only other producer besides organized.

who made that original one, the OG. Straight up. I said, so therefore, you know, because I bumped into him. And I was like, yo, man, we got to get on the same page, but I got to get you back in the mix, man, like, it's only right that we ignored you. And he was dope. I mean, like, he reminds, his stuff

would remind you of Riza, all dark and dusty and, like, just dope. I mean, like, you know, so, you know, big Wu-Tang fan over here, too. And people liking us to the, people liking us to the Southern Wu-Tang and all of that. P.S. I just thought of something, y'all, we need to put a bookmark on when the Goody Mob album comes out because,

Cee-Lo, you don't know this, but we have been planning a trip to Atlanta to just grab everybody for Questless Supreme. Like, we was going to go see Rico. We was going to see drama. We was just going to see everybody. But, you know, considering the time, I'm like, well, maybe when that album comes out, we'll all be able to come out the house and get the whole goody. We'll be off punishment. And touring with that record, which is the first time that we toured together, explain that process because you guys used a band you guys used I'm enjoying with singing with y'all at that point like you guys had Little John in the Chronicle as as your band

like were you guys always presented in kind of like I saw y'all as almost like new P-Funk how you put it together that's funny that you said that well we we got introduced to little John in the Chronicle because we did, I think we did like maybe like a listening party or it was or a release party at a club called Kaya back then in Atlanta. Yes, Frank Ski. Sorry.

You know what I'm saying? Shouts out to Frank Ski. And The Chronicle was the band. And it just kind of went over so well. You know, it just, I'm sure that it was management that suggested it at that time, you know, that we kind of go in the live direction. And, you know, that was all good. And then, you know, George Clinton, speaking of parliament,

he was one of our earlier mentors and supporters, too. He's the one that christened the Dungeon family as the young parliament Funkadelic. So when you start seeing us breaking out with all of the outfits and stuff like that, it came from him, you know what I'm saying? Because he said you can't just say it to exceptional. You have to be exceptional. That's why they call it a fashion. statement. If you, if you can speak

there, then you can say less. You know what I'm saying? Shit. Okay. Yeah. I love it. We went, obviously, we went wild with that. As you should have. Of course. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So, I love it. I was going to say for you, the second album for Still Standing, what happened with, where I got a lot of questions about that album. So they don't dance no more. I love that fucking song. Mm-hmm. What happened with Little Will? Okay. So they don't dance.

The version that you hear is a replay, but the original version was done with the sample of Aaron Smith's Dream On. Oh, wow. So that's what that is. It's really Dream On, right? So Little Will was a hoodster, you know what I mean? Like, you know, around Atlanta, super duper talented. You know what I mean?

Like great voice. And he was signed to organize. noise is a label imprint at Interscope, organized noise records. And, you know, it was just, it was just circumstance and inexperience that kind of overshadowed me like all of the promise and potential that he had as an artist. But like, I just saw him recently, maybe like a year ago, I had a birthday party out here. And he'll still hit my line every now and again. But like, he's just a real one.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you know, because he's, he, um, because he, he's, He's, he's, that's him singing so icy. You know, go on Gucci Man and, and, um, and Jeezy's first breakout record together. So I see. That's little Will singing the record, singing the hook. So, you know, we, we're responsible for a lot of careers, man. You know, like, and, you know, he, he's forever done your family.

On the, um, the, um, the record, uh, on still standing to just about over. Just about over. Just about over. Was that, uh, was that, uh, was that David Wile? was that wild peach yeah that's David Wilde and Wildeat rest of peace

to Miss Peach yeah and David is still is he still yeah David David still whenever big go wild and he take the band

he take he take he take Peach and he take Deborah Killers with him he's he's always kept them that's what's up he's so silent for that well you answer my gutter butter

question but also I remember like Up in Philly, like beautiful skin was also it for every coffee shop join I knew. Yeah. That wound up on their mixtapes. On their mixtapes. For World Party, what was the chemistry with you guys in the making of that album that was different from the first two records?

Well, I tell you this, you know what I mean? Like, it's never a problem. you know, I could, I can rhyme cat and hat, you know what I'm saying? You know, so like I can, I can just still be, you know, I can just still come in and just do, you know, whatever we're doing. I'm saying, you know, but let me try, let me try to, let me try to give me some poetic justice. You know, I, you know, it's documented that I had a great disdain for that project because, you know, even though we were, we were marginally. you know, successful, you know, at that point, you know, two consecutive goal records, you know, it's only right to me, like, that you want to go to the next natural progression

and, you know, like, and shoot for a higher mark, you know what I mean? So, like, you know, I think, you know, and I know that that was the ambition for the label, which is why for that third and, you know, project with them and final project, with them. It's the one where they wanted to come in and interject with their opinion about direction, you know, and things. The label dear, LaFace Thier. Yeah. Can I ask, was get rich to this, the last song recorded for that record? Yeah, yeah. It was. Good night, ladies and gentlemen, I did it again. Thank you. It was. It definitely was. And I'm going to tell you why, because it wasn't even our record. It was a backball joint. Yeah. Wait, well, what?

For real? That's why Backbones versus first, and he's doing the hook. It was his record. It should have, it would have been a hit for him because Backbone is, you know, the Dungeon family was comprised of, you know, teachers and philosophers and, you know, the hustlers and killer. Everybody, you know, all that shit came with it. They said, you know, but, you know, he was, you know,

backboneers when I, when I real live bona fide hustlers that come out, that come out of the crew that really represent on the street side. You know what I mean? Like we needed that to make sure that all of the all of the bases will cover. You know what I'm saying? So that would have been a great record for him just as a solo record, but it was so hot or so we thought. And I mean that, you know, it was organized noises, you know,

decision to say, hey, we're going to take that record if they use the platform, you know, a goody mug, you know, to propel you for your solo effort shortly thereafter. You know what I'm saying? You feel? me, but yeah, man, you know, I didn't fit. Like, it didn't fit, y'all. Yeah, from the fan side. It wasn't for, people, people were so disappointed, and I knew it.

I mean, like, if you want to go back and dig up any of those bones, you'll see. I said it out loud. I was very playing. I was very, I was very frank, you know, I mean, about my disconnect with it. I'm always like, man, this is not what the people want. And, hey, man, you know, like, but hey, if we win, then we win. And so you feel me? Like, if we don't, I'm gonna move on.

And so you feel me? But here's the thing, though. Technically, I mean, the album went cold. It did better. It's so more records than any of the other ones. Damn. Than the other joins. Okay, so, and it still didn't feel like a win to you?

Well, but see, like, I guess at that time, Questman, real, really, bro, I wasn't even really money conscious or none of that. I wouldn't, I wasn't tripping off none of that. I'm just about trying to make history. and everything I was doing was for the glory. You know what I'm saying? That's how I saw it. I consider myself a real live revolutionary.

And I mean, like, you know, that's what I wanted to live and die for. You know what I'm saying? You feel me? It would have been an honor. I mean, like, so that was my logic. And now, in retrospect, you know, sometimes I feel disappointed. I feel like, I don't know. I'm 45 years old.

I survive. Maybe I didn't cause enough damage or something. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that. You know what I'm saying? Is that real for me to say? No, that was starting when your career started with like cell therapy and shit. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

So like, I look around and what we're living through right now. I'm like, God damn. So like, I want to fight. But you don't think that you make you, you are influenced, and especially some of these young, you know, protests and revolutionaries coming up. You don't think you'd a soundtrack today revolution. Oh, most.

Most certainly. Most certainly. I've raised over a thousand sons. I'm sure that. That's all I'm saying. Right. You know, and I'm proud of that.

And now I'm a declarative soldier, you know, um, and high ranking officer. Like, you know, like, you know,

so like, I'm gracious, I'm gracious and very humble. You know what I mean? But I'm just saying, like, it's just a passion. You know what I mean?

But, and, and, and, you know, of course I've met it on an, on an artistic front. I mean, like, you know, like,

you know, I just want to do that shit that last. I mean, like, you know, I don't want to do anything disposable or forgettable or whatever. So, you know, one point in a head records. I like the dip. I thought like you as a producer, that was the one. I was like, yo, this is where it is. Now, I tell you the truth about the dip.

Timo produced the dip. Yeah, he did. We were starting to venture out. But no, like, I came in and I did all those string arrangements and stuff like that. And, you know, and, you know, so yeah, we were growing. And so, like, I, you know, I wanted all of that exuberant, you know what I mean, like over the top stuff that I ultimately went on to do. You know what I'm saying? You feel me?

But, like, you know, it's almost like people that start with you, you know, I hate to say it like this, but it's like people either almost either want you to be or expect you to be like poor righteous teachers. And I'm not just talking about the group. I mean literally. It's like, no, but I'm like, but in my mind, I'm like, nah, like, but in my mind, I'm like, nah, like, I'm too, I'm too, I'm too intelligent about music and about industry. It's like, I know better. Like, if you guys, and at that time, you know, cash money and no limit records, they were coming in and then they were showing how to, they were just, they were, they outworked everybody.

Their output, you know what I'm saying? Like was just immense. Like, you know, you couldn't really compete in motherfucklers who's dropping so much music. You know what I'm saying? Like, they dropped so much music. They have like a double page in the source with all the albums coming out, like all the album That changed the lexicon to where, you know, they dropped so much material that you couldn't even call it music anymore. You have to call it content.

It was product, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So we couldn't, you know, we were still trying to make opuses and stuff like that. So we were taking two and three years to make an album and shit like that. But like, no, no, no. So we really couldn't compete. And so I think everybody just felt a certain kind of way. Everybody just wanted to be competitive at the end of the day and show that we want this straight lace.

buttoned up, you know, like quartet of squares or, you know what I mean? Like, you know, like that we were cool and we like women and we, you know, we like the party and other and other kind of stuff, which was true. Like we're like, we're some of the biggest parties out there. At the time, the earthy label was on folks too. It was like either your earl or you're shiny. Yeah, you know what I mean? So.

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