The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Doug E. Fresh Part 2

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Legendary episode alert! Or should we say an episode with a legend alert!?! Both would be true in speaking of Doug E. Fresh and while you may know the music, what do you know about the journey? Class starts now as Quest and Team Supreme attempt to dive into the life of one of the most important figures in music. Take a listen to part 2!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. This is part two. Doug describes his journey to becoming a hip-hop star and one of the world's greatest entertainers. I really like this episode, and you will too. I have a question about the Oh my God record. Yeah.

Now, I know that we're in a whole different time period now. So having grown up in Reagan's America, which was heavily Christian conservative, moral majority, all those things, I can see I had a different opinion of it when I first heard it and of course

30 years later opinions have changed and we now live in a time period where like we believe that you know a woman's choice and whatnot but you know even before Common did retrospect for life

I remember like how big the abortion song was on your first album. Right. So what was the, what was the, what was the, because the thing is like, on that, on that debut record of yours, the, the two things that my, my two takeaways was definitely, you know,

play this only at night really, truly could have been given moments in love a run for its money for like the first new jack kind of, you know, slow join. Right. And I just, that's. At that point, I never heard a rapper really get topical about anything that wasn't just street conditions or, you know, violence on, you know, like a day-to-day violence. Like, you just never heard a rapper rapping about abortion. What prompted you, what prompted you to even go there? Well, you know, because back then it was.

And has anything changed for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm going to tell you two things, and that's a beautiful question. I like how you slipped that in me. I like how she did that. That was so sweet. I'm just saying,

I never forgot about New Jack City. I love you mean. Yeah, yeah, you know. We're going to get to 1991. Trust me. No, no, no. But look, what happened was, as you know, hip hop, the expression is raw.

All the way to heaven is the first song ever dedicated to God. That's before. Jesus walked, that's before anybody ever did it. It was a chance. It was all the way to heaven was created because we were happy. We were happy about what God has given to us. So when I'm saying the different thing. Can I just briefly interrupt you for one second? Sure, sure, sure. And maybe you could double this answer because I swear to God, I would, I would have killed myself if I didn't ask this question. Speaking of all the way to heaven. Yeah. Can you please, I think I heard you explained this once on a radio show back in like 86?

And I could never find this quote. Can you explain the, the, the, the logic you had with creating the show as far as it spiritual element? Like I think I heard you say one time where you're like, heavy ones too quick. No, no, no. He mentioned something about like, like, oh my God. Like he purposely chose the oh my God sound bite. I did.

With a 666, 6 minutes thing, right? Even is real? Like, is he real? Like, it's... Is it real? I thought I dreamed this. I don't know if I dreamed it or not.

If you say, is it real? Say, if you say, is it real fast? Say, is it real fast. Right. So that's, that's right. That was happening. And, and oh my God, you know, and kind of like, you know,

a lot of things for me hopping through dreams, like even the show came to me, in a dream. It was like I woke up and something told me to do it. The same way I just did this new project about Chuck Brown. It's like this thing has happened to me. No, but it happens. It's a real interesting way that artists create. So when I did, oh, my God, is it real.

I told Barry and Will and they was like, how are you going to have us cut these two things at the same time? I said, trust me, it's going to work. And when they started cutting it, it just became not, was I consciously thinking about the creator. I can't really say I was. It was just something that was making me do this. Now, a lot of people thought that when it was saying six minutes, it was worshiping the devil, but it wasn't none of that. It was just that it was a kind of a cool thing in a way where if you listen, I'm more of a rhyme stylist. So when I'm doing something, it's never going to be

what you believe it should be. I'm not trying to be the greatest rapper. I'm trying to be the greatest rapper, I'm trying to convey an idea. And that's my main focus. So six minutes, six minutes, six minutes, Duggy first show, it's, it became kind of like, or like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, like, it's not a rhyme. And then, and then if you think about the show when it's going on,

on and in the back, you can hear, uh, right. Right. Right. Because because all of these different pieces kind of like it was more, it was changing the way a hip hop artists were to approach things. I was changing what you considered to be hip hop. I wanted you to expand. I wanted you to think that you can't, you don't need just one DJ. You can use two. You can use three. I wanted you to think about, look, listen to the rhyme. It's all because of, you put a song in a rhyme. Me, Shell, like, let's do something different. Because you got to be, to rock with, and I'm known for the, not, like, let's play at the end of the song I'm doing. As you can see, most definitely, I'm not rhyming.

I'm talking to you. We are. Like, like, it's changing. It's like a spiritual song. It's like a vocal. Right. The show hip-hop's first spiritual song or would season it? I think that in its own way organically, it probably was without consciously doing it.

Okay. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that I consciously did everything that way. I just feel like I was driven to do that, you know? And then all the way to heaven, me and Rick was going to do it together. So when I made, oh my God, I was in a very, I was in a state where I was feeling bad because of the way I had to keep this thing going because I thought me and them together was really good. And I felt like I was disappointing a lot of the people who love the chemistry. So I was in a position where I felt like I had to keep moving. and I know that some people would take it a different way,

but I also felt all the way to heaven was important because I felt like how can I go from this point forward and not give thanks to the creator for what was done? I'm a guy that saved up this money, went in there, made these records, a dude owed me money. I went to the studio at my friend's house. I made this up and it exploded. And it's one of those stories that nobody would ever believe is true.

So I'm thankful. And even though me and Rick had our issues or things wasn't working out, I'm still thankful. So then I also felt that a song like abortion, the baby on that record is being born. And that's Bernard's Wright's son. Right. He went, he went into. the room, he was in the room when his wife had the baby and I said, recorded.

I said, recorded. I want that on my record. He said, I'm coming back with it. He went in there with a recorder. The baby was crying and I put it on the top of the song. Now, why did I do that? I did that because I felt at that particular time that this is the most beautiful thing in the world. this is my man's son.

You know, I'm here because of this. So I felt that that topic and that thought process was one that I felt very strong. And then I had a girlfriend. And that happened. And when it happened, it affected me. And when it affected me, I wrote about it. The same way I wrote, she was that type of girl. I wrote about it.

Same way all the way to heaven. I wrote about it. Same way nothing is about people smoking crack and things happening in the community. I wrote about it. Play this only at night was the condition that I seen Harlem. Harlem was like Night of the Living Bassheads on steroids, bro.

So I wrote about it. So the music was explaining what was going on. And I didn't think nobody might get it like I got it, but I felt like I needed to give it. to them. You know what I mean? And even with Lovin' Every Minute. That was my first introduction to seeing Chuck Brown Live at the Capitol Center. So I was so influenced by that energy. I came back and wrote Loving

Every Minute of it with the Go-Go Track in it. So I was just That was your first introduction. Once again. Okay. But see, it goes back to honesty. I know that honesty, you know, honesty is not always appreciated. And it's not always good. And it's not always good when the timing is off sometimes. I tell people truth out of season can be destructive. You know what I mean?

But then there's a fearlessness in telling truth. So when I was putting records together, it was my truth and it was a fearlessness that I felt I'm going to deal with what we're coming. When I would play the records at the party or something, and they get to that record, the boys, I'd be like, man, I know they hate me for this song. I know they hate me.

I said, but you know what? I said, but Joe, man, this is where I'm not with it. This is how I feel. I appreciate your honesty. And also, you know, sometimes as fans, we have to allow our artists to evolve, especially if they started young. We did it for common.

So. Right, right. Yeah, but back in 85, that was the modus operandi. Wait, I have one more show question. And again, I got it. The intro to the show. Right.

Was your inspiration behind that the whiz, the gold, yellow, green? Absolutely. I knew it. Absolutely. No question. And when I did it, I said, I said, but I wanted to be better. I said, I want to feel that. I said, but I used to love wearing rich a problem.

Gold is the country. I changed my mind. Gold is just color now. Right. And every time it gets ready to talk. And green. Right, right, right, right. And so after I said, I wanted to be big, you know,

and one of the things that I felt with a lot of hip hop songs was they never, I always felt like, and I guess maybe the influence came from super rapping, but it was a Friday night, everybody. Like, I felt like if a song is coming on, it has to make me feel like, like you taking me someplace. You know what I mean? So the show was the first record that I was able to get out all of my ideas the way I wanted to. And because I went through so many, you know, situations were not being able to express my ideas to the fullest.

It was like, I'm going to put up my own money and I'm going to express my ideas my own way. And that horn in the beginning was inspired definitely by the whiz. Man. Okay. So question. here's the fact that I did not know because if you're not getting the record, at least in 1988, if you're not buying the album, this is before the CD generation,

cassettes really aren't giving you liner notes. So I think maybe he revealed this to me four years ago. I had no idea that the bomb squad was kind of the production unit behind your second album. them, world's greatest entertainer. On two songs. Well, even there, period,

and if you look at it, keep rising to the top, really isn't when you pick it apart. Soundy. Right, because when you look at all the different samples, though, it is kind of, you know. Well, I mean, no, and I'm going to tell you,

song, once again, the same way I acknowledge Teddy Riley, I acknowledge the bomb squad, and I met Chuck D on tour. And I would, and I would help them with the performance when Public Enemy was performing because they was opening up for us. So I would help him with his performance. I would say, you got to let the S1Ws move. You got to get, you inflay, but has to exchange the energy. So we started, he was listening to me and he would try it out.

And I said, Griff could do this part. And I was sitting there and we'd come together. And then he started telling me how he was a part. of this bomb squad. And he said, yo, you should get with us and talk with us a little bit. I said, I got this joint that I want to do, man. And I don't know.

It's in hip hop. Nobody's ever really done a joint like this. I said, but I think it's going to take it to another place. And he said, all right, why don't you hook up with us? So I came to him. I came to Hank Shockley with rising to the top. And then I said, let me hear some drum sounds, the same way I did at Teddy's house.

So I banged out the beach. So I took the sample And he had all the right stock sounds because their sounds was incredible. And then Eric Sadler, when I was talking, I said, I said I wanted to hear to do do do do do do do right, right. And I wanted that kind of feeling

that I honestly got to say I got inspired by when I heard nobody beats the biz when I heard do doom, doom, doom, doon, doon, doon, doon, Don't do-d-d-d-d-d-do-do-do. Remember how that came on? He's biz-bosky. That was crazy.

That was crazy. And then I said, I want to put chords at the end of it. And then I remember everybody was laughing at me in the studio. They said, yo, people going to be coming out with their smoking jackets. That shit was sexy as hell, though. Yo, rising to the top is the first, that's the first 45 that I bought, like, with my own money for myself. Like, I think I brought that on 45.

I was, so my grandma took me to a record store. I bought Tougher than Leather and the Rising to the Top 45. And I ended up because on the 45, it was rising to the top was on the A. And then on the other side, it was the instrumental. Right. And so I, without going, I'll just say, I listen to Rising to the Top way more than I listen to Top of the Nile. That is by, I love that song. man, I love that record.

Why do I associate the first time I seen like Dougie do your dance to that song? To be. Right. That's when I, that's, oh, right, right, right, right. Like, oh, who is it? Look, that's when I introduced. That's, but because I, because I came up with the Dougie and I didn't call it that. I was just doing it.

Right. And then I was just doing Dougie. I was just doing Dougie. And then that was the introduction to the dance that turned into. a whole nother situation, which I can't even, I mean, how did it feel to even see you get to the White House? How did it feel to see that dance get to the White House? Yo, let me tell you, Quest, I was up to taking a picture

with the First Lady, and I said, very nice to meet you, First Lady. She said, I just want to ask you one question. Am I doing the Dougie? Yes. I turned my mind, I said, you're doing it so good. You were in Obama, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I said, I never seen it done better. I never seen it done better. And so, you went to go. They loved you, though. I was like, you've been to the White House a few times doing that era. Quite a bit. I was at the White House doing Easter, and I saw Dougie fresh walking out like I live here.

I'm coming through. Right, right, right. Because I was doing, I got this foundation called hip hop public health. So we was performing, and then I did the song for Michelle Obama, Let's Move. our whole campaign. So I did the theme song for that. And then our organization teamed in with him. We started fighting childhood, obesity, high blood pressure,

seeing the symptoms of when a person has a stroke. And we've been doing this work for the past 13 to 15 years, like teaching people how to eat, you know, trying to give them some kind of understanding of, you know, watching what you eat and the effects of if you, if you're eating stuff that's not right. So, you know, Michelle Obama, when she said she was going to do it, hey, I said, where do I sign up?

And then I just started to do the song. So, you know, that's what it's all about. You know what I mean? Not to mention. That made me think when you say you was talking to Biz about his health, you was really talking to Biz about his health. I went hard on him, meaning just not hard in a bad way. Yeah.

But I kept telling them, you know, biz, yo, we got to. make sure that, you know, you watch what you eat in, you know, these starches turn the sugar. The sugar turns the fat. If you get diabetes, it's going to be tough. And I say, you know, and I would take him out. And he would be DJing sometime. And he would be right, he would almost pass out on the set. And we would have to catch him. And then I'd be like, Biz, you got to stop this. You got to get. And then he started getting control. And I posted something where he went up on stage. He lost like 75, 80 pounds. And then after he did that, I was like, yeah, now now this is what I'm talking about.

And then when the pandemic happened and he sat home for a while, you know, like most people, they sat home and they just started to, you know, snack here, snack thing. So he wasn't paying attention. Right. And then what he did is he caught a diabetic stroke. He called a seizure and he got a diabetic stroke. And then when he went to the hospital, when he had the stroke, you know, stroke is the number one disabling disease in the world.

So he wasn't able to talk or he wasn't able to move, like he couldn't move. So we kept trying to send him flyers. I would get on there telling him jokes. Me and his wife would be up there snapping with him and doing the things that we normally would do to pull him out of it. And then he would show signs that he's coming out of it. And then there would be times when he goes down. and it really bothered me, man.

But, you know, I'm hoping that what happened to him is making everybody aware of it can happen to any one of us. You know what I mean? And everybody loved biz. Biz was such a bright spirit, bright personality. You know, so to see him leave as such a, you know, a young age, it bothered me. That's why I'm glad.

that these two brothers on this show, they talk about health all the time, and they help each other accountable. I love it. I love it. I love it. When I heard y'all talking, I was loving it, bro. I was loving on some real conversation. I know it's about me, but it's really about child.

You know, I was loving it. And I like how y'all is supporting each other because that's where we go wrong. We believe that we got to go through this by ourselves. And we don't. We don't. sometimes you need your man to check you a little bit or challenge you and turn it into a game. So it's not so serious.

You know what I mean? And, you know, and look, and sometimes even if you fall off on something, you know, if you got a good team of people around you, you can get yourself back on it. But I just think that diabetes is such a bizarre disease because you don't really realize when your sugar's up

and you're not checking it. And your sugar could be at 800. And you're walking around feeling good and out of nowhere, boom. It takes you out. Where's your number right now? With your number? What's your number, Steve?

I don't know. See, what you don't know, by you having this conversation, we got somebody in our collective that has sugar issues and I'm just saying. His name is Steve for a reason. It ain't the two black ones. That one.

Risingly. Right. Right. Right. It's not us. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me.

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My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit.

If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast,

or wherever you get your podcast. Nah, but Doug, you are the, you're the poster boy for, like, Asian and hip-hop, like, you are the, I mean, like, yo, man, like, just watch. watching you over the years and just watching the way you've taken care of yourself and the way that you. Yeah. You can tell me your 37 ways right now. I believe you. Yeah.

Yeah, man. Like what's your, what's your diet? Like what's your day to day? Well, my day to day is I usually try to run and then and then I got this program where I run and then I may walk. Because a lot of people in the estimate walking. See, this is the problem. That's how I'm going. God, here you go.

All right. Walking. Walking is, and it's a fascinating exercise. because it actually gives you time to think things through. And when you're looking at them, you know, you start to figure out different things or you listen to music or whatever way you want to do. If you're walking with a friend,

you'll be surprised how much you burn it. So what I do is I walk, I run, I ride the bike, and I do a lot of making sure I'm not letting nobody stress me out. And I think we got lost with that one. I think that's the one that everybody's failing on or a lot of people because we're so goal-oriented that we want to be the best. We want this to be the greatest. We want this. We want that.

That we start to put our health behind us instead of keeping it as number one. And then when you look at health, it should be in this order. This is my order and I studied this order. Number one is rest, sleep. If you don't get that, you're done. You can't operate. You make mistakes. You talk crazy.

You short fuse. Everything. It just turns into something else when you don't get no rest. Number two is your nutrition. You got to eat to live, not live to eat. You got to think about what you eat. And if you got sugar, you got to check that sugar.

You have to so that you can gauge your numbers. If you like something that's a, starch. Ain't saying you can't have it, but maybe you've got to earn it. Maybe you got to, maybe you got to earn that. Let's earn it. Walk a ruin first.

Yeah. Right. And then when you do it, maybe, maybe you earned half of that. You know, if that's a game you want to flip, but you can't just have that starch. Don't walk. Don't run.

Be up all night. And then drink sweet juices. O.B., you're setting yourself up for something that you have no idea is crazy. And then the third one is some exercise, but the exercise don't have to be that you're working out like you're trying to be, you know, a football player.

You know what I'm saying? It don't have to be that crazy. If you're walking, you're getting on a treadmill, you want to walk and jog a little bit. That's it. That's it. And then after you do it and you start seeing how you feel, you're going to be happy to do it

because it's making you happy. And then why are you doing that? You rest. You're energetic. You know, you got eight hours sleep or seven hours, whatever you need. And then you ate something that gave you a nice amount of energy. And then you go out there and work out. Yo, you did all of the things that you could do to survive on this planet a little bit more.

But if you just be reckless. Yeah. Slight confession time. Slight confession. I love it. No, definitely I, when it got colder You know

Well, okay, so So the deal The deal is basically Colder and getting dark at 4 o'clock Yeah, when Rick Rubin was on the show He made me He was my accountability partner And you know, I was doing like 10,000 steps a day

Every day Right And then around mid-September I started falling off Now when I hear something five When I hear from five different sources the same message. Yeah.

Then I'm like, all right, Amir, you got to get. So you're officially, it started this morning with my mom. Amir, are you still walking like he used to? Yeah, mom. Amir, are you lying to me? Yeah. Grace, same thing. Like, literally four people got on me about, okay, now, like, how you doing?

You still sticking to your plan or you, you falling off a little bit in the winter. And I was like, oh, you know, I'll get back on it next week. All right, cool. Right. I got to get back on my 10,000 steps a day join because I fell, I went from 10,000 until like, 4,000 is cool. I'll just do like 10 blocks and walk back home. Right.

I got to get back on my join. See, and that's how to create a work because all of us are saying things to you. And I always say this now to don't get caught up in the messenger. Just hear the message. The message. Because you may not, if you get caught up in the messenger, you may not hear that message. And that message can be coming from a little baby.

It can be coming from a mother. It can be coming from a person that you don't like. But they said something that was really important for you to hear. If you got five different people, sometimes and we get caught up on how to create a community, creator communicates through us. And he says things to us to say to somebody that maybe, if that person can bypass, who's the person saying it,

and just hear the message. A lot can come out of that. Because what's the odds of me having this conversation with Charles right now? Exactly. On this. And it has nothing to do for what we're talking about. You see what I'm saying? But it has everything to do for what we're talking about.

The brother on here with diabetes or me talking about how. I've seen it with biz or you watch so many of us, so many of us lose ourselves or pass away transition just because we don't make little minor adjustments. It don't have to be extreme. It's like I always say if a person does a little, they don't even have to really do a lot. But if you just stay consistent at it and if you just keep this thing,

yeah, man. Like, nobody ain't trying to make you. I'm not trying to make you work. to where, you know, you pass out. But, you know, you got to. Move your ass. Move your ass. You got to move it.

You got to move it, man. Wait a minute. I do want to get key parts of your career out before we run out of time, which I think. And we got to talk about this. Yo, we got to talk about. Yeah. But there's a lot we got to talk about. But wait.

Wait. The hammer? Yeah, I was going to say, you got to talk about what I got to do. Right. Right. Right. Well. You got a time right then.

Yeah, yeah, we're going to. We're going into it. We want to eye you right. Yeah, what was it, what was the decision behind, like, what, the key, give us the, the atmosphere or, or, or, or what it was like under the umbrella of busted productions with Hammer. Beautiful, beautiful question. Doing what I got to do. Great. Another great lesson.

Really should have been way bigger for you, but. Yeah, well, another great lesson. What happened with that project is I felt that when I came out with World's Greatest Entertainer, I felt really good about my album. I felt that that album was made in a way where I was trying to show people different dimensions about my growth and about hip hop. Like when I did Africa and when I went to Africa in 87, hip hop wasn't in Africa. I was the first dude to run over there. You know what I mean? I was in Senegal, Dakar, Gambia.

Goree Island. I wrote the song over there. Yeah, that's where Africa, that last song on World's Greatest Entertainer called Africa. I mean, Heavy D. used to love that song, and Ra Kim loved that song. But what happened is that I felt that the label really at that point didn't get my vision.

When I first started with him, and the thing happened with me and Rick, I think it took some steam out of him, and he started trying to figure it out. But rising to the top was such a great record. cut that zero, I felt on the strength, could have done a lot better. I think people slept on that.

A lot of people liked guess. It was a lot of different things that I didn't feel my label got it, which I think a lot of us felt at points in our career. So I signed with Dick Scott management, who was managing new kids on the block. And he would fund me to go to the studio and make some records.

And while I was doing that, Hammer and his brother heard, I was no longer, I was looking to get out of reality records. So long story short, I got with his brother, Lewis Burrell. Lewis didn't know that reggae was coming. I was telling him, I said, yo, reggae is on fire, bro. But he was feeling like, that don't mean nothing because I'm getting this. You can't touch this money. and Hammers in the stratosphere. And so there was a beef between the East and the West Coast.

So I felt that if me and Hammer got together and I was able to bring what I bring to the table and he keeps doing his thing, this would show a union between us where this beef between East and West Coast wouldn't even really be there because Tim Dogg was making, you know. For Compton record.

A whole album, that whole Penicill-on-Wex album was a, yeah, right, right. And I wasn't about that. So they paid close to maybe like 1.2, 1.3 to get me out of the deal. So when they got me out of the deal, they say, yo, I just want to be able to put at least one or two songs on the album. And I said, okay, no problem. And I was telling them reggae. So we was up there working it out.

And what happened is I went to Jamaica and I went to go do Sunsplash. And I was doing dance all night. I don't know if y'all know about sunsplashing. Yeah, regular sunsflash. Oh, yeah. Too young. I forgot him on here. Right, right.

So I'm like the first guy to ever perform on dance tall night in Jamaica, which was unheard of. You might do international. No. No. Look, that audience is tough, yo. That audience is tougher than Apollo. It's Apollo. Yeah.

How did you, again, I know your whole no fear thing, but. Yeah, yeah. Well, I felt like I felt my energy was stronger than this. And then I also had Papa Son who we was doing records together. I mean, no, we was performing together. So when I'm performing with him on dance hall, and then the other thing is sometimes less is more and more is less, you know, because sometimes you're doing too much.

So I felt like if I give them little samples of what I have, do, it'll make them appreciate it more than me trying to give them a whole concert. So I got on, they accepted it, blew up, blah, blah, blot, blot, gunshots all night. After that was over, I got back on the plane and came back and I was doing something at Howard. And when I got back, Hammers boy edited the video, did all of these different things with it. And then when he did it, it was the same guy that would edit Hammers video. So when he let the song out, a lot of people was looking at the marching band and all of that, the battle of the band thing. And they thought that it was like we was trying to make a hammer video.

You see what I'm saying? So I said, there's the true story, too. I said, yo, bro, why did you edit the video and let it out without me being able to look at the video, acknowledge what it is because I had red alert in there. I had Curtis blow in there. They cut all of the different elements that would give it the authenticity of the East Coast and showing that love.

And then when they said, man, yo, we was just doing it. So I felt like the respect factor was not as high as my respect was for him because I guess he was trying to go. And then right when it dropped, capital dropped them. And the labor went bankrupt.

So the album never came out. So that album never came out. The single was coming out. And I'm thinking now, as I'm talking, doing what I got to do album? Never had that tape. And it never came. Like, Capital was letting it out.

And then they shut everything down. Because of him. Yeah, that's what I said. You got the album? I had the tape. This was my stepdad before he passed. Yeah, he had that tape. because my joint on there I used to run was the if I was your man joint because you used

curious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, you know what I mean? That was my record. So I loved that one. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, man, no, that record, it came out. Like, you know, we was in about it.

Yeah, but I'm, I'm, I'm going to tell you in regards to when capital, capital dropped busted records. And when he dropped busted records, whatever busted had or whatever busted on, busted was cut. Busted was cut off. Busted was busted. Yeah, Busted was busted. And so then I left.

And when I left, I had to, you know, I had to rebuild the credibility because people was feeling like I was trying to sell out. So that wasn't a problem for me because I built my career before record. So I went back in the street

and started to kind of see what was going on. I seen P.M. Dawn. PM Dawn was hanging out at a club. We were both going to see Prince. So we went to see him. I've seen him on my way out. It's funny, I didn't even think about this. I was seeing him walking out.

He said, Doug, yo, man, I love yourself. You doing anything else? I said, yeah, man, I'm getting ready to come. I got some ideas. He said, yo, man, my label, man, I think that, you know, maybe I should introduce you to this guy. G Street. Right.

He said, I think you know him. I think you know him. So I said, what's his name? He said, what's his name is John? He said, really? I said, let me see if I don't. Let me see if I know them. I went downtown to G Street, right?

I'm not, I go in there and I walk in. This was my tour guide in 1985 when I went overseas to perform the show on top of the pops. This guy was the guy who took me all through London and now he got a deal with Chris Blackwell. So then after that I sat there. He said, Dougie, I always wanted to do something with you. Do you got anything?

I said, I got these three ideas. I said, and I think I'm ready to let them out as soon as possible because I need to make sure that people do not misunderstand what happened. So then that's when I came out with AOI, right, and freaks. Freaks, yes. Where is vicious? Vicious is now 40 years old. Like, where is vicious?

He still rock with me. He still rocked with me. But does you have a, I don't. I imagine at 40, he must sound like mad lying right now. So, no, no, he's a brother. Chop and screw now. That's funny, Amir, but that's true, though. He can't sound.

No, no, no. But he sounds good. It sounds like he matured, but it don't sound like he sounds really good. And he sound like his energy is still the same. And when we perform, it's a serious situation. But that song, that song, that song, that song. right there. When I came back from Jamaica, that's when I made that beat. Because you told them all right, I feel like reggae is coming. You told them.

I tried to tell them. I swear I tried to tell them. But you know, but look, they was living in, you know, they had that can't touch this money. So they wasn't touching it. They wasn't touching it. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor of the fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, mental health,

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Yeah, you did a long apprenticeship during that time period, at least three to four to five years, I think, almost like, you know, to see a Prince concert, you knew. somewhere you were coming. Like, so how... An apprenticeship. Quest, quest, you know, man, with Prince, the only thing that I can honestly

say, man, I mean, this is, this is one that you're, here's a quick one that I think you'll appreciate. I was doing, I did something for Sinbad. And by the way,

I want to acknowledge Sinbad because, you know, he had a stroke. So, Sinbad, But I went out, do you remember when he had this thing called Soul, Soul Funk, and it was on HBO? Yep. Yes. Okay.

So Sinbad, I went out there to go just to hang out. And then he told me, Dougie, yo, what you doing out here? Yo, I want you to get on, man. Could you do something? I was like, yo, I just came out here to chill, but I had no problems. And if you know Sinbad, his energy is crazy. So it was like, you're going to say. say yes to me no matter what.

So now I'm in a Ruba trying to find a studio because I'm thinking, damn, I need to get something. And I'm looking at a CD that got to be real on there. I say, yo, man, let me sample this. Pressing it out on the keyboard studio was real under budget, not top of the line. I press out, got to be real, so I loop it. So then I go back on stage in the night, I go on stage,

and I say, he said, you're going to do something for me? I say, yeah. they play the music for me and HBO was not to suppose to tape me performing. So I get on and I'm performing and the place is going crazy. The crowd is going crazy.

It's moving. They never had hip hop. It turned into something. Now, HBO was taping it without me knowing it because they told them, you know, this is Dougie just doing something, but that little something turned into something crazy. So then later, HBO said, yo, man, you know,

We show this because this thing is unbelievable. Did you see what this guy did? So then HBO played it and it kept playing it every week like constantly, right? So Prince seen it. So when Prince seen it, he said, yo, called Duggy up and see if he can meet me in Atlanta to because I want him to come to my show and perform. So I get to the show. I'm backstage and he said, yo, though I already got to. set going on now. So I'm going to do my show. But I want to know, could you come with me to the

after party? I said, all right. I said, yeah, I heard you wanted me to come out here. Cool. So I went to the after party, and this is when Lefty was alive. So we go to the after party and Leftyre meets me and meet Prince. And she's like bugging out like, yo, I can't even believe y'all two here at the same time. So I asked Prince, Prince said, yo, I seen you on HBO. That was unbelievable. What made you come up with that? I said, I was just freestyling. He said, okay. He said, well, let me ask you.

You think you can get on tonight? I say, yeah, no problem. He said, but I want to ask you. I said, before I get on, I just, and he wasn't called Prince at the time. We would call him, you ain't know what to call him. So, you know, you'd call him the artists or whatever. I said, I just want to know when I get on,

how far you want me to go. He said, I want you to turn this mom out. I said, no, I just. I said, but I want to know how far do you want me to go? Like, I mean, I want to respect what you do, what you're asking me. Because I got on with Dre and Snoop and Eminem when they came to New York. And Dre pulled me to the side and was like, Dougie, I want you to get on. But please don't go where you go.

Don't turn it off the show. I've seen your shows once you're on stage. Like say some for them then, meaning right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And when he said that to me, when he said that to me, I was saying like, what do you mean by that?

Like, don't you want me to? And then I got on and I thought I didn't, I listened to him and I felt bad that I didn't go all the way. So after that I said, I got to ask a person how they feel so that they don't feel I'm trying to upstage their set. So I learned that. So long story short, Prince said, I want you to turn this one. like, and he said it in my ear, Quest, he said it in my ear, like, like, boom, out.

You know, he went to the nurse to the night. He's just, woo, boom, woo, boom, boom. So after that, I said, yo, I said, okay, well, if that's what you want me to do, I said, well, that is what I'm going to do. And I got on with him that night. When I got on with him that night, I took him to a place that he ain't never been when it come to this thing. So this is what he did. So I came down there, this whole thing. And at the time, I was dating, when I was dating Ms. Jones, I was down in the thing for Sinbad. So I went down there

and I didn't expect that. So I did it based on the energy. I did Sinbad in favor. They taped it. I didn't know they was going to tape it. Then they showed on HBO and it explo. And it explains. and everybody and it was fun. And actually, after that, Cheryl Lynn was booked on the Soul Funk Festival after that because of how impactful it was. And then came Sugar Hill Gang

and all of the other groups. So moving into Prince, he's seen it. When he's seen it, he called up Landel McMillan, who was my lawyer. Wow. Yeah. Right. And when he called up Landau,

Londell said, yo, Doug, Pee said, can you come down to Atlanta? So I went down there, and I took Grandmaster Cass. I took Grandmaster Cass because he loved Prince, and he told me that. He said, Doug, if you ever meet him, I just want you to do me one favor. Please introduce me to him. So I was like, okay, I brought him with me.

So I go down there, left eye is there, she's in rare form, she's vibing, energy is good. He gets in my ear after I ask him, I said, brother, I just want to be respectful to your set. You know, I appreciate you. And I don't want to do anything that's going to make you feel that I'm doing, that I'm trying to be disrespectful. And he was like, look, let me tell you something. I want you to turn this out to the, he said, he said, all the way out. I turned around, I said, no problem. And then after that, I got on and I turned that out.

To the point that after it was over, we kept doing encore after oncore after oncore, because questions on how this go. We, me and him, they can go for two, two hours, three, it doesn't really even stop. Like, do you have a, do you have a, not an itinerary, but do you have a routine bag that you go through? like when you do your come again rhyme or your uh i can't even you know right right right right like i know your go-to duggie isms that can like how many of those do you have in your head when it's time to just get on someone's set like do you have like 30 things already thought out like okay well this is my first thing it goes back to the same thing that i was telling you i'm not thinking

I'm feeling. And what I'm feeling is what I'm doing. So there's no, there's no ism. It is. It just is. And it is at that moment of now. And no matter what it is, it will be what I want it to be. And that is what it is.

So, and I don't mean that in an ego way. I mean that from a spiritual perspective that I'm coming to the table with energy. Like when we was switching to this for a second And going back to the story, when y'all did Dave Chappelle And he just called me, I was just coming to see this. I just came to see y'all. I didn't come to get on stage. Like, I swear, that wasn't my goal.

I was just there to see you, him, and all. I said, yeah, let me see it. It's just going to be nice. And out of nowhere, somebody, I think Carla or somebody was like, Dougie, they want you to come on stage. And then Dave is saying, yo, here, man, go on, do it. So in my mind, there's a switch that just kind of automatically go off. And I'm going all the way in.

Unless you tell me, don't. And then if you tell me, you don't, I might just say, let them do it. And I'm just stand on the side and watch. Because I don't ever want to feel like. Like, I'm making somebody feel funny, and I don't ever want to feel funny if I don't do what I naturally feel I want to do. So that night, he had me in a tough situation, and the clock was ticking, and I was looking back at you.

You was frustrated at him about the clock, and I'm like, damn, I don't want us to be mad at me. I said, I don't want us to be mad at me. But this guy keep telling me, go hard, go on. and then Usher jumped on the stage. Right. T.I. jumped on the stage. And you was looking at going, it's a rap.

It's over. I'll see you. Let me explain to our audience. Okay. So New York is very old school. And New York is what we call a union town. Like, you cannot step on a stage in New York City unless you play exuberant fines. If you go overtime, they're anal retentive with sound checks.

with shooting cameras. If you bring a camera out or Radio City Music Hall that's like $25,000, like New York will find a way to tax you just for simple things. It's a very old school thing.

So what Doug is referencing is whenever Dave Chappelle does his long residencies at Radio City Music Hall, you know, he'll do like 15, 20 shows or whatever. Davis is one of those guys that also just lives by his heart. And I guess that he has the deep pockets

to, you know, And as of this speaking, I saw Dave last night at Madison Square Garden with Rakim, Buster Rhymes. And, you know, the union guys are like, usually in New York, especially at Madison Square Garden, especially at Radio City. I'll say that for every five minutes you go over, that's like $10,000. So the whole goal is like when it's 10.59, shut the show down. not at a Dave Shepel affair. Like, so, so at this point when Dave is calling everyone on stage, I know we got like four minutes left. And all I'm thinking about is, okay, we're about to lose a lot of money here.

And I don't want to be responsible for that. So at 1059, I want the promoters. And, you know, I'm the hall monitor of hip hop. Everyone will tell you I'm the hall monitor of hip hop. Right, right, right. I'm the guy at the side like, hey, promoters. I'm following union rules. That's Dave Zabel, not me, you know.

But anyway, continue. Right, right. No, that's crazy. That's crazy. The way you just said that. He said, I'm the whole monitor of hip-hop. I'm the whole monitor hip-hop. Yo, that's so crazy.

I never heard nobody say that more. Yo, and you know what? I seen it in your face. When we was doing it, I was like, I said, man, Quest, no, he's trying to get everybody out of here. I said, but Dave just won't stop. And he keeps telling me. go harder.

I said, I'm torn between, should I listen to the whole monitor or should I listen to the guy? Overeges. I do not like, I don't like losing $25,000 for nobody on my watch. Like, I'm a guy that wants to start on time,

you know. And he didn't even care. So he's rich. Right, right, but I'm rich, bitch. Right. Yo, so I'm so because of that and because of that kind of energy. I'm always careful because I don't want nobody to feel like I'm trying to do something

to you or take something. So long story short, I get on with Pete, Prince. Yo, he's like this. Go harder. Yeah. Go harder. Give me more. So after it's over the band and everybody, we go to the roof. They got this little roof we're sitting out there. He's sitting there looking at me like this. I'm telling you, I can't make this up, bro. He's looking at me like this. Just sitting there looking at me. And then the band is standing around him. And he goes, how about it, band?

What do you think? And he was like, oh, my God, are you crazy? What do you think? Are you serious? Did you see what he just did? You know, real I go. And the whole band is going crazy. Then after you turn around, he said, so what do you want to do?

I said, oh, man, I came out to do what I wanted to do. I had some fun with you, man. So this grandmouse and Cass, Caz is sitting there like this. Like, looking at him like that, right? So I'm saying to there. And I'm like, Cass, Cass, Caj. He said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is a great night, great night. And then first look at me, he said, so what you want to do? Do you want to be down with MPG or what? I turn around, I'm looking at, I look at Caz, right? And this is real. I look at Cance. I'm like, yo, this guy's funny, yo.

Right. This guy's like in my mind, I said, yeah, okay, whatever. I said, man, I just came out, man. I said, I wasn't, I said, I didn't come out here for no paper. I just came out to show you love because you deserve that, you know? And I said, and your band was fun and I enjoyed it. I said, but we're going to leave because, you know, it was a nice night. So it's a tree there, right?

He takes a leaf off the tree. And he goes like this. And he goes, What? Bro, I'm telling you, you take the leap, we go. He's going. He go. Okay.

All right. Good. And then after I said, all right, I'm looking at him. And I was like, do I suppose eat a leaf too? Oh, wait. I'm like, yo, I'm like, where we go with this one? But I said, yo, but I like your style. I like what you just did right there.

But after that, I get up and I leave in the band and everybody's saying, goodbye. I get back home. Caz is blown away. I get a call. Call and said, yo, the artist wants you to come out. And he want to know, can you meet him tomorrow night in Oklahoma?

He said he got 20 dates and he just want to know, what do you want? I said, are you serious? And that was the beginning of me and Prince. And it never stopped after that. And it got

so deep that he used to ask me and he, and he appreciated him, he said, so what do you think I should come out? What, what's the order of these songs you think I should do? And I said, yo, you got to come out of the crowd. Like it was me, him, Shaka Khan, Larry Graham, we had Macyo, we had Naji. He said, he said, so should I come out to crowd, right? I said, you come out here. I said, when you come to New York, you got to do pop life. He was like, do you think so? I said, I know so. And then he would listen. He would let me

You are the curator. Right. He would let me design the show. When we did Essence Festival, I had another technique that I was coming up with as far as different performances. So I started out in the audience

with the turntables because he never wanted to use turntables. I said, no, we're going to use turntables, but you never used them like this. So I would start with the turntables, And I get the audience to the point. It was crazy. We was at Essence Festival, right?

And it was 80,000. Oh, yeah, that was a big year. That's a hard crowd. That was a big year. Yo, it was 80,000. And before we went to the Essence, we did some bowl place in L.A. And then later on that night,

we're sitting down. And then he says to me, yeah, yeah, Hollywood, Hollywood. That's right. He's sitting down with me and he says, Essence magazine is in here, and they want to interview me. Could you talk to them? Can you talk to them for me, too?

So I started talking to him, and they started telling them how this thing worked. He said, you see how you know what I'm saying? I don't even got to say it because that's how we locked in. And then afterwards, then we were meeting in L.A. and they'd say, yo, Pete wants you to meet him at this club. I go to the club. He's sitting in this room on the other side, the part of the. He's bouncing and he's sitting in there by himself with a little cup with like some coffee and some honey.

And he's sitting there like this. And he's sitting there like this and he's saying, you know, we're supposed to do the essence. So how do you think we need to do this? I said, I said, how do you think we need to do this? He said, I'm going to rock. I'm going straight rock. I said, all due respect. It's black women, sir?

I don't think that that's the direction. And then after that, he said, that is not the way. He said, he said, simple on the stage, he's going. And he put it down, he said, so what you think? I said, I think we need to do what we do, but you need to do the hits. Yes. I said, this is a black audience. And I said, I want to hear hit after hit after hit.

And I said, now, I said, before we get to the hits, I said, I'm going to take the turntables. And I'm going to set it up in the middle of the crowd. And I'm going to get this thing pumped up to the point. That is ridiculous. And then I'm going to pass it to you onto the stage. And you're going to hit him with a hit after hit after hit. He said, okay, I got it. We went to the essence.

I went into the crowd, like I said, set it up. And I had like 80,000 people doing the wobble. The damn building was shaking. Yo, I was there that night. You were there that night. Yeah, I was dead at night. I thought that backstage. You is not lying.

No, no, no, no. The whole building was shaking. I have never felt nothing like that other than probably Chuck Brown at Capitol Center or something ridiculous. So after it was over, I mean, after that, I get it to a certain point. I know it's crazy because MC Light came over to me

and said, do you feel that? Do you feel that? Like that. So that's when I knew it was serious. So then I passed it to him on the stage. And when I passed it to him on the stage, it was crazy. It just, it was crazy, man. I think that was the best one of all times, Doug.

I think that was the best essence fest of all. They definitely, they definitely say that it was definitely up there because it was nothing, it was nothing close. But that was the kind of relationship we had because it was like hanging out with a dude who was just as. Like he didn't care as much as I don't care. You know what I mean? Like we'd be riding around in the night,

and he'll be like, you want to go, you want to go to the club where I started out? I said, yeah, let's go in there. And you know, that big guy who plays the drums that used to play the drums on the real happy guy. He was in there one night. We sitting there, and he said, don't you feel like doing something tonight?

I said, you feel like doing something at night? He turned around. He said, yeah. I said, but you ain't got to do nothing. I said, I'll do something with him. He said, all right, bet, bet. I go in there, get on with Blan and the band that they have in there, turn that into something, jump back in the limo, drive out to his house.

We're sitting in the limo talking, and he told me something that was crazy, man. He said, at one time, he said the time was a band that when he had to get on after them, he was nervous. He said because the time generated so much excitement, so much celebration, so much energy that he said he felt like when he got on after, it went to such a high that he's doing all of these different things, but he can't create that, that, you know, that jungle love. Then he said to me, he said, I've seen,

a lot of performers. He said, and I'm telling you. He said, you are the most unusual and the most shocking that I have ever seen. He said, I don't know why God brought me and you together, but he said, you make me feel that same kind of thing, but on another level that I felt with the time. And he said, and I'm glad that you're with me. And not against you. Yeah, I mean, that's literally, you have no fear. And that's the thing that I want our audience to know. Like, you literally have, you have zero fear. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes,

creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right what you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects, from hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode.

Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center. of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle

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They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Gillespie and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Maricopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get podcasts. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves.

Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wode. My next guest, you know from Stepbrothers, Anchorman, Saturday Night Live and the Big Money Players Network, it's Will Ferrell.

Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah.

He goes, but there's so much luck involved. and he's like just give it a shot he goes but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore it's okay to quit if you saw it written down it would not be an inspiration it would not be on a calendar of you know the cat just hang in there yeah it would not be right it wouldn't be that there's a lot of luck yeah listen to thanks dad on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast Wait, before we go, we got to talk about the Chuck Brown project. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, right. It's a love letter. You know something? Okay, when you were telling the story of the show, it kind of hit me. And, you know, I know that it's never going on record before. I know that the, that the perception is that GoGo really never got it's just due. But it's just we never, New Jack Swing is basically Go-Go. And I really didn't truly realize that until

Wow Like moments ago But yeah if you listen to like I mean the show is essentially Go Go It's New Jack Swing also It's a part of it But SETI but I think it's electronic

I think it's electronic go go and we just never called it Okay So I agree with you I agree with you now and I never looked at it like that because See And this is and this is is not to take nothing from nobody.

I'm not that guy. I'm not even built like that. But that thing about the way to beat plays and me beat, like I program, I basically put on the metrodome and I played it out.

And I put these things and I, you know, I needed the guy who was technically savvy to allow me to get on that drum machine and do what I do. Because anything like when I did freaks beat, if I did rise into the top beat, if I do la-di-da-di, I make the beat.

So it's what I do. When I did original human beatbox, I make the beat. So when this happened, and I was making the show, that swing, I never thought about it from Gogo. Because, you know, as a kid, I used to play the jukebox in the pool room around my block where we were, they had games and all that and keep us out of the street. But they had busting loose in the jukebox.

And I would keep hearing it. I said, shout out. Get it. Y'all say, what you want? Like, we were back to back to back to back to back. So I think that that feeling influenced me when I was making the show. Because it's the swing. It's that it's the movement of it.

And then like you said, which I think is really a great observation, and I've never thought about that, that the show is a go-go record. It is. It is. But you are the first person in the history, though, to do something besides a collaboration with the genre. Like, right, Doug?

Like, technically, you're the only person of note that has given this kind of love to that genre in this way. Right. In this way. Herbie Lovelock used to, like, a lot. Yeah, but not in a, yeah, he's not like the way he's doing it. It was always a collaboration, but not a total like dedication, love letter and

inspiration kind of thing. So how did the project come together? Well, it's interesting, man. And I'm telling you the truth again, I was sleeping and out of nowhere something said, write a song about Chuck Brown. And when it said write a song about Chuck Brown, I picked up the pen and I just wrote the song. And I made the beat.

And on the beat, some of those drum sounds are me. Because I couldn't find certain sounds that I wanted for this effect that I was looking for with the go-go. So now what I do is I'll go in there and I'll do my own. I'll be the hi-hat with the drum. I'll be the other snare on top of the snare. I'll put my low-tone bass drum under the foot. So now the way that I do beats is I'm. I'm always intertwining now my own drum sounds on top of drum sounds

because I don't think they have all of the drum sounds that I can hear anymore. So I make them up. So I started to build the track. And when I built the track, I was writing the song to it. And then it was interesting to me because I was like, why am I doing this? And then I thought about the way I met Chuck, run from run DMC was the guy. who told me, because we was on a show together in Capitol Center in 85, he told me, yo, you ever seen Chuck Brown?

You ever heard Go-Go? I said, no, I know Chuck Brown, but what's Coco? He said, you ain't seen a Go-Go concert? He said, you'll wait until you see this tonight. I turned around. I changed my stuff up, bro. I went up in there to get there early. Chuck Brown burnt this shit down to the floor,

to the point that it was madness. I'm talking about, you want to talk about, you want to see a spiritual, like, like an out-of-body experience. Play go-go. Play go-go with 20,000 black people in the spot and white people that understand. Play it.

And you're going to see a whole kind of experience that you never seen. So then I ran, he got off, I went backstage, started talking to him. I started telling him how incredible. His performance was he started telling me how he loves the show. He loves Lottie. He thinks that what I'm doing is really unique.

And then we just became friends from 85 all the way to when he performed on the Capitol lawn. He called me up. I didn't know that would be one of our last performances. And I got on with him there. And he was such a beautiful spirit. And I looked at him like I look at myself. I felt like he created something. And sometimes when a person creates something,

like you said, Quest, which was really deep, the person who's the first person I created may not always be the one that's acknowledged. You know? And I felt like I'm going to make sure that you acknowledge Chuck Brown. When you hear Beyonce's joint, you know, the first joint that she did with crazy.

Rich Harrison, he always going to put that go-go up to the music and stuff. Right. Right. Like, I want y'all to know this is the guy that did this. And this energy that y'all feeling, this is the guy. And I guess spiritually there was something. And then the other thing is that Prince, before he passed, he was going to produce my next album. And he wanted me to do a live album.

and he loved Go-Go. Yes, he did. Right, right. So he wanted me to do something, I think, in this kind of a way that I did it because it's live and at the same time it's Gogol. And I didn't know I was going to be putting it together like this,

but it worked out. But then let me clear my throat though, Doug. Like, you already got a, your relationship with Go-go is like continuously all day, all day. All day. Can you talk about for a second? because I was just catching up and watching that video earlier. And I was like, yo, please tell me about this video shoot with you biz, DJ Cool,

like in this club. I know it's got to be a story. And how- I tell you to quick, cool told me, like I'm coming to the video. I pull up. Cool saying,

Hey, Doug, what's going on? No, like, I don't even know what he wants. He said, I say, yo, like, I know he want to do somebody. I mean, I don't really know.

He said, yo, man, I need eight bars from you. Do you got them right? Like, are you ready to do this now? I said, yeah, okay, cool, let's do it. He said, okay, cool. Like, no notice, no, here's your part where you put your verse, no, no nothing. No set up, no nothing.

So after that, so he's, and then he told me later, he said, well, you know, I'm going to be honest with you. I told you to do that because I think you probably one of the only guys that could really do that. and don't make it seem like you doing that. Yeah, because, I mean, it is D.C. We're going, you know, I'm from there, I can say. Yeah, we just started freestyling and then, like, Tupac on there. It was just something spiritually that made me say that, you know.

So that was a live song and video at the same time. At the same time. Wow. It was in Philly. What? That's right. It was. It was at the.

At Bahamah Bay in Philadelphia. Yes, he says it. He says it. Yes, he says it. Yeah, bro. Crazy. Doug. I, you know, this is a legendary, legendary lesson.

And thank you for giving love to everybody and go-go and the song, because you ain't just give love to Chuck. You gave love to the areas. You gave love to all the legends. So it was, I just want to say, I'm sorry, I'm here. I didn't mean to catch you. No, I just want to say that. I appreciate that. Little Benny.

You gave love to little Benny. So thank you. Yeah, man. Because he used to do play this only at night and the way he would do it. Yeah. I don't know. You know, it's, I still feel like I did in the beginning

that you still got, you got to follow your spirit and it's not going to always be popular. And sometimes you're doing things because they're just supposed to be done. I remember my friends told me when he wrote Kiss, he said when he wrote Kiss, he had to forget how to make records. meaning he had to simplify everything.

So when you hear it, like he said, he stripped it down. Right, he did. Right, right. And when he stripped it down, he said, it's because he had to go into a space where he had to simplify things. And I feel as an artist that you go into these spaces for reasons and it sets you up for something else.

that you're supposed to do, but you got to go there, though, to get there. You know what I mean? I don't know why, I don't know what connected me to make this Go-Go album, but I knew I had to make it. I knew it was important. And the brother who shot the album cover, he called me, and when he called me, it was a friend of mine who were going to film me in different places and stuff, and he has diabetes type two.

And he called me, and he said, Dougie, his name was Bobby Gill, He said, Dougie, you know you into this health thing, man, but I'm dealing with this diabetes and I'm trying to make sure that I don't do something that's going to cause me to have any problems. He said, yo, you got any suggestions? So I'm on the phone talking to him about it,

going through the whole diabetic conversation, telling him don't do this. Here, you like sodas, drink a Zevia. Zivia is a sugar-free soda. And it's not aspartame. It has stevia and it is good. And he said, oh, thank you, Doug, thank you. And I hang up the phone with him.

And he only called me for that, and I shared that one. He said, but Doug, yo, I got some pictures I took, and I want to send them to you. And, you know, just some pictures I took a while ago. He sent me the pictures. All of the pictures was of me and Chuck Brown. And he didn't even know I was making this song. He didn't even know I was making the song.

And then I looked at one of the pictures. I said, yo, this is crazy. This is crazy. I said, yo, I just wrote a song called Chuck Brown. What's the odds of you sending me this? I say, could I use this shot? Could I use this shot? And the shot that I made the album cover was the shot that that brother gave to me.

So this is what I'm trying to explain. Sometimes I think things just kind of. Serendipity. Right, right. What's that? Yeah, so that's what this album represents to me. And I appreciate y'all having me on here to talk about it. And brother, thank you.

I thought I kept y'all on here a little long to know. No, we kept you. Oh, man, we love it. Right, yeah. We live for these episodes. We always got to tell folks in here, six hours Jimmy Jam. You all right. Yeah, yeah.

You're all right. This is right up there with it. No, for real. I want to thank you, like, your wisdom and your life lessons and your lessons on fear. I'm definitely going to apply that. This is an awesome episode. The world's greatest entertainer. Yes.

On behalf of a particular. and unpaid bill and and sugar Steve and like yeah this is oh yo I got one last question I've asked this this if you've got time Doug okay and I'm only asking this because it's you because I normally hate when people ask this question

a win is a win a win I don't care which I'm saying yep that's me Clever Taylor the 4th you might have seen the skits the reactions my journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media well somewhere along the way this platform

became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes

of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me

or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft.

And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects, from hidden traits teams look for, to the biggest mistakes franchises make, to the players flying under the radar.

This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.

The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so much, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern.

Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg, a lesbian, Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges.

This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield.

And in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no.

I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Wodom. My next guest, you know from Stepbrothers, Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network.

It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry. about you, which is really sweet.

Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there.

Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. For you, who are your favorite MCs? Not necessarily your top, you ain't got to say a top five, whatever. But who are your favorite emcees? And the reason I ask is because you're probably one of the first, like, real, like, vets that we've had on in terms of being able to work with DJ Hollywood.

And, you know, I mean, you're from that, you know, that first kind of class. You transcend all eras of hip-hop. Yeah, straight up. So, you know what I mean? So just to hear from you, from OG like you, who do you consider your top MCs? You know, it's interesting. The people that I consider top MCs

is a very interesting topic because I understand the DNA of where different styles come from. So when I'm looking at different people that other people like, I know where that style was birthed, and why you like it or how it evolved to become that. So DJ Hollywood is a very important piece of the puzzle for me

because there was no style. He said, say, oh, he wrote that. He said, throw your hands in the air and wave him like you just don't care. He was the guy who jumped that off because he was bringing celebration. You see? So that was an important piece of the puzzle. And in the beginning, it was one of the most important pieces. And Curtis Blow got it from him.

And Love Bug Starsky told me that when he, I asked him, I said, Yo, love, who was the first person you seen do this, bro, on that mic? He sat there and said, Hollywood. I turned around for real. He said, Dougie. He said, I was sitting in the car as a kid. And some dude had an eight-track player in his car. And Hollywood made the first mixtape on an eight-track.

He said, and play and play. He said, and I just sat there. And I said, I want to be like that. I want to do that. So then you got, you got love. You got love, then you got busy beat. Crow rock. G, frock of Izzy B, yeah.

Right. And they, from ball with the ball, and both of them doing that. So you got this whole line. So Hollywood is an important piece. Melly Mell is an important piece. It's an important piece. His style, not just the message,

just his whole confidence in the way that he brought what he did. Grandmaster Cass, he brought that clever slick thing that you like about Kane. And when you listen to me, in the mouth, you like KRS. And then you got Modi. And when you got Modi, you're listening to Modi, you're hearing with Raq Kim.

You're hearing Nas. So the bloodline, I learned directly from the bloodline directly. And then while I learned that, then I had to carve out my space and create

this beatboxing, which is a completely different dimension from everything. So when people talk about emcees and who is this and who's that, it's a little different for me because it's the same way. Because you like rare essence, then you like Chuck. You like EU, then you like Chuck. Like whoever you want to decide that you want to rock with,

you better, you're going to go back to Chuck. You see what I'm saying? So even when you like, like I know, I knew, James Brown. James Brown, and I'm very close to the family. And James Brown liked me a lot. And he used to tell me, son, read your Bible, son, read your Bible. And always take care of your teeth. And then he said, and always take care of your feet. These are the pieces of advice. That's a James John classic right there. Take care of your teeth and your feet. And you got some nice teeth. That's what he told me. Right. That's what he said. You have the best teeth in hip-hop.

Yeah, you kind of do. Wait a minute. Let me, let me ask the opposite of, of, let me ask the opposite of Fonte. Because there's a lot of them. Uh-oh. Who are your top three beatboxers? Not you. Who are your top three beatboxes?

And there's a lot to choose from now. Right. I like Rosel. I was hoping. I was wondering. Yo, I forgot Rosel was in my group. Nick, I was thinking the whole time. Like, what did you think about Rosel was scratch?

I was just, I was thinking of the whole time. I don't even ask that. I didn't even ask that fishing for a Rosel answer. I just straight forgot. Oh shit. Rosel. I know that name. Sorry, Rosel.

I don't be broke. Look, look. I even did a record with Rosel. I did one with him for a DJ Hasse be out in Japan. And they said, Rosel, I say, yeah, let's do it. I think Rosel, I think Scratch, man, was just, I mean, I mean, as far as being like,

like so authentic and real and the way he sound. I just, I so much love the way he sound. I mean, I was always so impressed with him. And just out of, you know, to me, it's really, I mean, those two, and Kenny X, I like a lot. I forgot about Kenny, yes. Shout to Kenny X. Have you ever battled Buffy at all?

Like, have you guys ever been? on the stage together and did something? We were supposed to at Brighton High School in 83 or 84. I'll send you the flyer. And they put us on the flyer. DST was there. Red Alert was supposed to be there. And this was before there was records.

And it was calling them disco three. And I went down there because I didn't even know that they had to set up for me to do that. So I came in there and I seen them. And I said, y'all want to do this tonight? Wow. And after I said that, I said, so I'm going to battle him, and then I'm going to take y'all two out. And, you know, because it was fun. It's not like we was fighting.

It was just about you. And then afterwards, it never happened. And then we did a couple of shows together. And we never did. And I never really had any interest in doing it anymore because, I mean, Buffy was such a good, guy and such a nice person that it was like, yo, man, I don't feel good about battling this guy. You know what I mean? He has such a beautiful spirit.

And anybody that knew Buffy knew he was just a nice person. And me and Markey D got into a little bit of an argument one time because when the show came out, he was very, he was looking at like, you know, know, like he was the voice of the group. And he looked like he wanted to challenge me. And then after a while, you know, he was barking a little bit and going at it. And then I said, yo, I don't even have to beat box. Do you want to battle rhyming?

Do you want to do that? And he just didn't want to do that. And so after that, because I come from a battle era. You know what I mean? I come from the foundation of battle. Like I told you, I'm on the side of the stage when Moji, and busy beat battle. I'm the only kid

that can say I was there. I was like 14. I didn't even supposed to be in there. And I'm on the side of the stage while that's going down. So I was at that battle. I was at the battle with Cold Crush battling fantastic. You know?

So the things that I've learned from just being in that area. And then I was in that contest in 81 in the amateur. contest. So that's the way we came up. You had to battle. But then as you grow, you evolve. So it wasn't about battling. And then me and Mark E.D. became the best of friends. We would hang out, lap. And then what happened is when Buffy passed, I did Tom Joyner Cruz. And I wanted boys on there. And I said, we got to get them on this cruise. So I got them on. And when I got them on, I said,

yo, let's do better of stick them. And let's do it. That's right. Wow. And it was me, Kuroxki, and Prince Markey did, and we took pictures together. And, man, those are my brothers, man. Wow.

I always wanted to know was there ever. Gone too soon. These gone too soon are a lot. Yeah. Okay. Brother God, thank you. Look, if you ever, you must open up another restaurant

and share that cornbread restaurant. but that's a whole other episode. Doug has the world's when he had his restaurant in Harlem he had the world's best cornbread. He must be sugar free. Right, Doug. This was, yeah, this was

three, five years ago. Anyway, Doug, I think you for doing this. Hold on. Look, look, and then you, you know, when he said, somebody said, everybody said, yo man, your man, Quest said, you know, man, outside of Lottie, daddy, the show, whatever, one of the most

unbelievable contributions he have made to the world of hip is this corn bread and I'm telling I was sending interns from the

tonight show I was sending interns to the scared little white girls to Harlem I was sending little white girls named Ashley

to Harlem corn bread yes the corn bread they call it crack corn bread in Harlem

yes I want some it's worth breaking your diet for. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I may have to do, we may have to do that one day. Just a little piece, hot, hot.

Yeah, just one, one cheat day. Doug, thank you for doing this episode. All right, this is the first. No, this is really it. Thank you. Thank you, Doug. For real. Much love, y'all.

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