The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Estelle

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

In 2020 this episode we are re-releasing as part of Black Music Month, Estelle talks about strip clubs, looking for love in Los Angeles, gives Questlove a crash course on the UK music scene, and much more. There is wisdom in this gem of an episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, y'all? June is Black Music Month, and every year we use this time to acknowledge something that really can be overstated. Black music is one of the foundational forces behind modern culture. Now, back when Team Supreme and I were doing the Questlove Supreme, and now on the Questlove show, we've always tried to create a space for those stories.

So for the entire month of June, we're bringing you an episode every day, focus on the history, influence, and ongoing evolution of black music. A team and I duck through the catalog and selected episodes that feel especially meaningful for now, conversations that inform, entertain and connect the dots between where this music comes from and where it's headed.

Now, alongside those, we'll be releasing four new episodes of Questlap Show, featuring Trailblazers, innovators, and cultural connectors, and visionaries who represent the past, present, and future of black music. I want you to enjoy this. Thank you. Suprema. Supremma Roll Call. Suprema Subrima

Role Call Supremma Subrima Roll Call Duke of Earl Yeah Milton Burl Yeah Give it a twirl

Yeah London girl Roca Supreme Subm Subm Submur Submur

Subrima Roll call My name is Sugar Yeah What's up Estelle Yeah You need a sonos Yeah

I got one to sell. Roll call. Sub, sub, Supraima, Roll Call. Supremma, Subprima, Roll Call. My name's Boss Bill. Yeah. And I'm on my knees.

Yeah. Forgot to prepare for roll call. Yeah. Forgive me and Stella pretty, please. Roll call. Suprema, SUC, SUC, SUPRIMA, Role Call. Suprema, Suc, Supremma,

Role Call. It's Laeem. Yeah. And my girl is still. Yeah. No More. Oh, she know me well. Oh, yeah.

It's a wave. Supreme Role Call. Supremia Roll Call. Supremia Roca. Supremma Roca. My name's Estelle. Yeah. And I am Letty.

Yeah. I'm out here doing it. Yeah. In New York City. Roe car. Supraima, Supraima, Roca.

Supraima, Sub prima, Sub prima, Subima, Roca. Supraima, Submah, Suprema roll call Suprema

Suprema role I hate y'all for not taking American boy because I wanted to do mine around that but I was like That's too obvious That's right did London girl

because I thought it was Captain obvious Everybody was going to do that I was like Let me go for a little deeper I'll go for pretty please love That was good That was good

I was like I went there You're not my substitute No more Hey you know we got to pay for that Oh Say what That was only two seconds

I heart Yeah So, yeah, I was going to say I was trying to figure out a way to incorporate five foot seven being the idea height. Yo, it was a blah-blah that made sense, leave it home. No, wait, I got it. I got to know which guys you date. Everybody gets me. Everybody gets me about it.

Oh, you were trying to do that. I was just doing a mumble, and it made sense in the mumble, so I kept the five-foot-seven. So, look, we're doing the vibes, and John is, like, doing the vibes. And John is like doing the melody And he's like Five for five for seven Subbbs and I was like Well five for seven

Zaduz my tie It makes sense It's jazz Okay but I just thought Maybe the conversion Of Yeah I was like

English to American Maybe Yeah I was gonna say Like you might have been like Six Two But you made a lot of Low self-esteem dudes

Feel like You mean low height dudes It's short The short men The short men have my bag Short guys have my bag Oh God Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Questlove Supreme.

I am six foot three. Thank you. I'm six for three as well. Great. How tall are you like? Five foot eight. Okay. Well, you wear hills all the time.

Steve. My feet are size 13. That's all I mean. That's what I advise. That's all that nice. It's not always a true thing. All right. So brought to you by the good folk of Aihart Radio.

I'm your host, Questlove. Jenkins. Team Supreme is with us today. We got a boss bill in the house And Sugar Steve Shugger Steve Jenkins Yeah, Sugar Steve Jenkins You're all related to Dicebara

This is crazy Yeah And lie He don't be rocking his middle name His last name enough for me No he don't So Bert Jenkins to me Is the best MC name of all time

So I'm sorry Dice You are Bert Jenkins For life Yeah In Limey What's up What's up

Yeah Unpaid bill must be getting His bills paid because we haven't seen him in a month or Sundays. Yeah, he hit me the other day. Like, I just got back from Sundance and I'm headed to LA. I was like, okay, yeah.

And he was doing movies? I'm doing movies too, but I'm here. Damn, Bill. Of course, Fonte promised this way back of November he was going out for cigarettes, so. We're still waiting for her dad to come back home. Ladies and gentlemen, our guest today, of course, needs no introduction.

Wait a minute. I just got that joke, actually, after like 20 episodes about him going out for cigarettes and not coming home. Wow. Wow. That's how most fathers abandon us. I get it. Go out from some smokes.

My dad's a dentist. He never left. No, man. It doesn't smoke and he came home. Yeah. I just imagine your dad being like Steve Martin and Little Shopping Horrors. Yeah. That's a deep reference.

That's my favorite. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, our guest today needs no introduction. She's a Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter slash MC slash voice actress. Yeah. Yeah, you know. I will say, and I got a lot of Stephen Universe questions because I've just recently gotten to crystal rock technology. Yeah, it's good, right? I used to be one of the people that laughed at people.

All right, side note, the jazzy fat nasties used to always just walk around with like a bunch of crystals. in their pockets. It's a really thing now. And I thought that was the coochiest shit ever. And now I can't, yeah. You too? Love me all the time. Literally, I keep granites and crystals and amethyst everywhere.

Welcome, welcome. I feel real still, yeah. He's now a pop. Welcome. Anyway, she got to 98. She, she hells from my other home, the west side of London. Can I say west side? Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Well, I don't know. How many black people that are from the west side of London? No, there's a whole contingency of us. We are there. I see. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome my near Aquarian Capricorn sister. Estelle to the show. Hi.

Snap. Sorry, sorry, excuse me. He just made me crunchy as hell. He's pretty crunchy as hell. He's crazy. He's cool. Oh, granola, crunchy. Got it.

Yeah. Really? Took a set. I'm sorry. Sorry. It's okay. Oh, okay. I get it.

How are you today? I am wonderful. It is beautiful outside. It is really uncharacteristically nice. I hope it's beautiful when February. It is February. It is. It's February.

It is like. It is, it's February? Yeah. Is it, Bill? Yeah, it's late February right now. It sure is. Happy Black History Month, everybody, almost ending. We're still here.

Thank God. That was Steve snapping. Oh, my Lord. Steve was snapping. Well, you mentioned in your, I know that we were all winging our roll call. But you mentioned New York City, but I would like to think that you, are you officially here? I'm in L.A.

Really? I'm in L.A. officially. All my clothes are there now, so. Okay. That's kind of how I joke. But correct me if I'm wrong, the few times, like. Yeah, I used to be here. I want to say, like, the few times I dropped you off in your house.

No, no. No, no. You've all been in the same scene and save that time. No, no, no. I like his version. Tell him all to me. Oh, no. I've been requesting her for a very long time.

Anybody that gets in my car. A whole bunch of people. I'm the last one that goes home. I drop people off. Wait, am I tripping her? Has Estelle saying you got me at some point on a stage? Dude, Estelle's damn there been a root. Pretty much.

That was, you know. I go back to like 18th letter. Wow. Pre-18th letter, Estelle, when Estelle was MC. Yeah, in London. Sheesh. Yeah. So I remember like, so the first times we like,

period was in London. I think I opened up. You guys used to be there a lot. And I think I opened there. Yeah. And I opened up for you a few times at different events and venues when I used to just rap and sing on hooks. You can, I need you to explain something to me.

Because as much as like claiming like, yeah, London's is our second home. London's are second home. There's one thing that no one's ever properly explained to me. Okay. So there's so, and hopefully you can, you know, give some clarity to me and our listeners out there. There's so many sub-genres of music that comes from urban London Underground. I mean, there's Grime, Two-Step, Drum and Bass, EDM, Trip Hop, Asset Jazz, everything.

Can you properly give us an education or, like, what is your way? No, no small task here. No. Well, on the different sub-juriamers? Well, yeah. All right, so. Like, I don't know the difference. Like, okay.

The, the, is two-step under the house umbrella? It is. What's Grime? Grime is like a sub-genre, a subdivision of what hip-hop and what the kids who weren't specifically like rappers and who were into jungle kind of made. Okay. Who weren't into UK hip-hop, but who are also into like dance music and jungle. made Grime and like garage. It kind of came out of the garage umbrella.

So like UK hip hop was the founding thing, right? And that came out of dance hall and all of that stuff, right? So Rodney P&M guys. It had a really big presence. And then, but at the same time it was like dance music, which has always been our thing. Like we listen to all different types of music all the time, right? So you've got you got us going to school and being at home listening to like reggae,

dance or hip hop, right? As we know like standard genres. And you got go to school and you listen to. like dance and house and trip trippy music right and it's like acid and all that stuff and so we essentially just merged them all together because that's what black people do and you know and and so we came up with garage which was like emceeing over faster beats which were kind of in the house range okay and that garage became that and then grind became slow it down and rap a bit more be a bit more swaggy with it like you can wear echo and whatnot and or you can wear like all the

all the things that feel like you rapping right but you're still keeping in the English because that was our thing we made up. And that's where it becomes like a whole, like, we made this genre, though. Okay, so the... And the lines get blurred as far as how you do it, but... All right, so when we first went there in 93... Yeah, it didn't exist. Right, okay, so drum and bass was just starting.

All right, so to explain to our listeners out there, drum and bass is where you would take, whereas, like, hip hoppers would take a breakbeat and take... take it as is. I mean, someone would chop it up and flip it or whatever, but for the most part, like what you hear on the record is what you would hear sample. Drum and bass,

they would speed it up almost past 45 to like 78. Which, okay, so my theory is that kind of, the hip-hop experience in America mirrors whatever the vice. of choice or drug of choice is of a generation. So, you know, if we, so my five-year theory is, I'll try to make this quick as possible. Like 67, 72 is our, what you would say, the heroin period. Yeah, and 72 to 77, I'm sorry, excuse me, 67 to 67, 67 to 67. Excuse me.

67 to 72, I would say, is the joint period. 72 to 77 was the heroin period. 77 to 82, cocaine. 82 to 87, no, 40 ounce. Malt liquor. Oh, wow. 87 to 92 crack. Okay.

And as I'm saying this, anyone else getting hungry? No, it speeds up. 92 to 97 was the chronic period The weed Everything slowed down Yeah 97 to 2002 was the sexy What was it?

Existee The sexy Diddy Damn you got this Is it thinking about music You're thinking about the reaction That was the period 2 to 7 is the Cizurp

Period The codeine period 7 to 12 12. Will we say that's the Molly period? No, no, that's after. No, Molly came after 2007.

That was kind of early. Well, then I would say maybe lean, I don't know. Tide pods. It's funny, but it's not. It's not. Some kids are doing that. Shout out to the Super Bowl commercials on this damn tie commercials.

2012 to 2017. Definitely definitely Perkinset period. And now, I guess we're currently in between 2017 to 2022, which... I don't know. What is the drug of the moment right now? Young.

Well, weed. Wean, life. Weed never go out of style. Crystals. I'm getting high on life. Oreo thins are really good. Oh, wow. Okay, so my whole point is that the drug, the drug that somehow permeates in each era also determines, like, what the music sounds like. Sorry, pills.

Yeah, pills. Yeah. Okay. So, oh, wait. No, no, no. In North East Philly, everyone's dying from it. Oh, the weed, the XK9, K9, 5-2, whatever? It's...

You know, Kate, yeah. Oh, Lord. Yeah, it's... I don't know why the North East Philly has it the worst. It's nothing there. That's why it's nothing to do. Well, yeah. Sorry.

Buy property there. I'm sorry. Anyway, my point is that... Wild. I felt like... But the thing is, is that... I don't believe the people. Did you guys not, did London, I don't recall London ever having like a crack epidemic or?

Yeah, that's a good question. It's like a consistent thing. It's not that it was an epidemic more than it's just like it's so, I don't know, it's our culture is so like, you could be the highest of the high. Keep calm and carry on. Really? Yeah, that's the culture. It's never really been like, the drug thing for me, the way I looked it,

It was like it's associated with like homelessness and you're not doing too well. But now it's at a point where you're walking or it's like a D-boy, the higher-ups buy it from the, you know what I mean, from the guys on Roadman, not D-boys, roadman, right? So it was never like, oh, your friend next door to you is doing drugs and you can see it. It was never like that, like obvious. Everyone smokes, right? Right. I didn't smoke until I was 30. I'm quite proud of myself.

I just started. It's so fun. I don't smoke, but. I like your edibles. There, it's a good time. Wait, why are you straight snitching, like you? Let me say that. Oh, because you said it before.

I don't feel snitching if you said it before in the show. Oh, okay. I might have forgot. That might be a symptom. Welcome. You might want to cut back on those edibles a bit. You forgot me. Hi, mom.

Good. So it was a bit more of a like supply demand thing and no one really was in it like that. Now it's kind of across the board. Like where you knew like, everybody had like the drug dealer friends but like they were also your friends so like what we're all watching that show now too on Netflix so boy yeah oh god

shout out to Drake in the best way possible I said that we'll go out in the best way that's how much money I want where like I see a YouTube show where I see a YouTube show and be like you know what I'm gonna give you all a whole bunch of money to put this on Netflix I want to see this that's power Drake thank you

I appreciate that sometimes they still need subtitles Have you ever watched it? I have don't I'm still I'm saying that because I'm comfortable with you. I'm saying that because I'm comfortable with you. Dude, every show needs subtitles, even with Queen Sugar. Oh, no, no, I'm not going to. You might. You might.

You got so mad at me. Yo, I'm not doing that with you. Wait. We were all watching the last episode of, like a cliffhanger episode of Queen Sugar and I showed my television. And I forgot, I had the subtitles on. And they even hit me on Twitter. Like, wait, why are your

subtitles on? And I was like, yo, have you heard Ralph Angel speak? Oh, don't you dare talk about that king like that? Oh, not Ralph Angel. And that's Ralph Angel angry. Good morning, Kofi. Oh, baby. That's fine.

I'm almost like that. You're just jealous. Stop it. King Kobe can speak how he. Well, we better tell her the list of okay. Now you know who's not going to be on the show. No, Kobe coming. I mean, he's coming to the show.

He is? He is. Okay. You know what I'm saying? He's lovely. You single? It's okay. Damn, all the teeth.

No, that's no, bro. I can't even know. Oh, that's little bro. I know his mom. Oh, wait, that means something. It does to me. Wait, see, that's the difference of doing women and women. Smoothly is.

He's a whole 20 years younger to me. Nope. Yeah, he's a young in. He's a young in. Y'all, y'all rules, man. I know. Wait, we're never going to get to your musical experiences because we just going to talk about life.

It's 20 minutes into it. Wait a minute. What do you mean? Little bro. Like, yeah, I caught. You guys realize. that there's going to be a lioness cub period in your life, right? I'm clear.

I'm in that space now. But not yet, though. Quite literally a... Her next album is going to have a cover of Millie Jackson's young man, older woman. You know what? No, it is not. Don't say that. Yo, y'all, we're not there yet because, you know, younger men for us still move like rabbits.

They do. Like, we're not at that age where you want to date younger yet because they just still... Like, what are you doing? I'm not teaching you stuff. Oh, my God. Hey, thank you. Good. Come off me.

Stop. Ew. Yes. It's a fight. Every day. And all my life. You too need your own podcast. All my life.

You need your own podcast. You don't want to deal with the eye hurt. Hey, now. Right, exactly. Look, I wanted to get to. My whole point in the whole 17 minutes, my whole entire point was, when I was there,

a lot of cats were just trying to be from New York. Yeah. I'm an A.K.A. the 21 Savage syndrome. Yeah, yeah. Like, I caught. There was an interview where, like, yeah, and then he said, spot, tell you.

Wow, he really has an ex and English. And we're like, wait a minute, what? English. Yes. That's weird. I didn't know he was from there. What? I didn't.

No, I didn't know. What? But, like, you catch somebody young enough. Like, they're gonna, their whole accent, everything completely changes. Right. But the thing is, is that I know that you guys have been waiting for this moment all of your life. I mean, really, you're pioneering that.

All my life. Yeah. I mean, you're a pioneering that the fact that not since maybe the Soul to Soul wave or even I mean no really

like with Soul to Soul have an international acclaim have I've seen you know like other countries lead the forefront of their movement

and be accepted not like oh what's America doing let's do like America now you guys are right in the rules but it's like it's like with Mark Morrison he's a great example what is

what does he truly consider? Is he just meeting his R&B or is... He's Mark Morrison. It's R&B, then to us is pop. And that's the reason why it's such a heavy thing. And I said this the other day, I was talking, I was at my friends, with my friends in D.C.

And I said, the thing is, you guys have had such a strong culture for your entire, like, far back is the 20s. Like, it's been black American culture. Despite what you think of it, you guys have had it and we haven't. It's been maybe since the 50s at home.

It's a lot from the British. Yeah, so we're like looking at it like, well, that seems to be the strongest thing to do. Let's do that. Can I ask, what's, it's weird, right? Because then when you go to Blacksonian, right? You find out that like the Brits were the biggest committers of the whole slavery thing.

We are in Black History Month, right? So I asked a British actresses once. I was like, it seems like there's a disconnect between the cultures of your motherland in a way too. We came over from me. I knew, I know exactly where my family's from. My parents came, like, in Senegal, Grenada, Sierra Leone. Like, they came in the 50s.

They came in the 50s and 60s to the UK. So for a lot of us, that's where we start again in the European side of the world. But we do know, and like, my family's big on black history. So my dad and my stepdad and my mom, they teach, they taught us that from like two and one. Like, here's who you are. Go read these three big. anthologies on sex and race. I remember my mom gave me this book set

and I read it. I was a book one. I'm still am. And I read it as a kid and I knew about, you know, the black queens and I knew about how we existed before coming over again in the 50s. So like my perception of myself across the board is different in general. But like that's where a lot of us came from first.

And it's a big thing like we are taught that like in our homes. Not just because they're not going to teach us to school. They taught us the same things you guys know. So like our energy and perception of like where we start is different. But the culture here is so long range and so dominant. You guys really have it. Like I, please don't know one take this person.

I used to be like, yo, how do you guys have like, and then more I got to learn about, Black War Street and yada yada and then like, and at the time it was like, and Soldier Boy exists. Like I was like, don't be a judge you back. You said don't get offended. We're still asking that question. But sitting out, soldiers like Malcolm X. I understand the context of it, but at the time I was like, what the...

How do we... And the same thing against the place like that burning down and why people felt the need to get rid of it so that you could have... In the grand scheme of life, everything is everything. I don't judge it, but like it's like you guys have it and I've had it for so long. There's so much wealth in it and there's so much good despite every attempt to burn down black culture over the past two centuries. in the U.S., in around the world. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart.

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We're here Since everyone Since everyone has a podcast We want to as well And we've had

some incredible guest so far. And now our good friend Nile Horn is joining the show. How's it going, boys? Hey, Niall. It's the same thing with Slow Hands. Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can be about food.

You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. How old were you when you discovered your voice or your singing voice? I was like 17. So from the age of zero to 17, you just spoke? No.

No. Like, I realized I was good at it. Okay. I was seven and I realized that I could actually do it. My mom made me sing my brother in church and everyone clapped. And I was like, oh, I don't, this is fun. Okay, so what is the, what's the black experience in church in the UK compared to? It's as just as wild.

and everything is patterned, right? Right. So it's just as wild. Holy Ghost. Well, for me, I went to Kojik, which is, I went church to God prophecy, which is like essentially Codic. I was Methodist. I was Muslim.

We've been, my grandma, before I was born. Wait, everything? So here's the thing. West Africa, culture. Yes. My grandma married a Muslim man. She was Christian. So for a while, she had to learn Muslim.

And then she realized that that was a very oppressive, the version he wrote. For a woman. Yeah. And we're very very. women heavy in our family. So we've had to dabble per se just to respect it. Right. But I remember one time I came from

so here we go. Here we go. Alright, all right. So when I was a child, did all the religions and right before we went to real Christianity I went to Africa and we went to my granddad's village and I mean my grandma made us walk

and we get to the village and it's great but it's very Muslim and it's like Gambia. My grandma brings this guy back with us who's like the village chief or a village dude guy medicine guy uh spiritual guy and he's teaching us arabic and they're trying to like give us these base lessons in my granddad's culture and my mom and i remember because i'm the big mouth in my family low key snitch no i'm the big mouth like i'm the one that's like nah no that's not right i'm not doing that oh you challenge people okay all day are you the oldest second oldest oldest girl so yeah pretty much

how many in my immediate. Yikes! Yeah. One older brother, six girls. Second oldest? Second oldest. So you're, okay, you're Jackie.

Okay. Okay. I compare everybody who's Jackson's. Okay, good. Well, I'm Jackie. I ain't going to have the hair. Yeah, he's still look good. That's good.

He looked the best. He looks the best. Jackie. Oh, no, he's the bids and puffing. Oh, he's a fredgeant. Dight? Okay. No, that's Jeremy.

That's germane. Oh, that's right. No, no, no, you're Jackie. He still got his natural hair. Okay. He's still a little, got some kingkin. You are all correct. I didn't mix them out.

It was terrible. That's so bad. It's terrible. All right. Okay. That's got a whole image. Wait, no, my edges are real. No, this is a fuck.

All right. So he came back and he was teaching us like Arabic. And then they came to a part where it was like, women must be submissive. And I just kept feeling like that was wrong. And I had said to him, well, I don't agree. I was like 12 or 30, you know, some shit like that. Wow. And I was like, I don't agree.

Why do women have to not speak? Why do, and I went down the line. And my mom was like, what are you teaching my daughter in this lesson of classes? No, huh? No, not them. And she pulled us out the Arabic classes. And that caused a rift in the family to a degree. And then we became real Christians.

And that's where I kind of was like, you know, like, because we were like half and half. We would go to my grandma's, my grandma's a matriot. And that would happen at my auntie in my grandma's house. And then we would go up our house and it would be like Christian, Christian. And then we went full Christian with that after that. And then that was just a wild time. It was like, don't wear no makeup.

Don't do no things. Oh, like Puritan style. Oh, like you were going to find a husband for you. And my mom was like, also, no. So here's what's going to happen with me and my children. It was wild. Oh, oppressive Christian. Okay.

Oppressive. But also Holy Ghost, it was a lot. There was a lot going down. And then I think it's always been music that kind of shifted my trajectory, though, because we were in a church choir. And I remember being 19. And we used to remix all the words to the song. So, like, Brandy's best friend became Jesus is my best friend.

And, like, things like that. And, like, we did the dances and stuff. And I remember one, like, church. We had a church Christmas concert. And we were doing the whole, like, can I do with that? Oh, my God. He's always been there.

Right. He's always been there. My best friend did that. And the church, like, the, Pastor got mad. Like, yo. Wait, what was he doing, listen to Brandy didn't know that reference?

Well, we were. Exactly. No, but she was more mad that, like, she was more tight that we were dancing and it was having a good time. And she ain't like my mom for some reason. And so she essentially kicked us out at the church concert. It's wild. I was so upset.

This has been going on since the history time. No, I just saw a church version that they performed a futures percassette. No. See? No. I don't know how to do. But it was like the Christian version? What's the words?

I don't know, but. Holy Ghost? Chase the Christ. Franken's. Mrr. Mrr. Mour. Yeah.

Mour. Wait a second. I saw it on Freddie Gibbs' Instagram. So go ahead. I got to see that. A minute. So this has been going on. So they kicked us out and my mom was like to me after that, you don't have to go back

if you don't want. I said, good, because I'm not. And essentially, I've never really been a fan of going back in the building and doing people's versions of events. I'm very spiritual and, you know, I read the Bible and I pray a lot and, you know, crystals and I listen and I'm in tune and blah, blah, blah. Spiritual. Yeah, that's where we go.

Oh, you're spiritual. Yeah. So. One of those. So did you, well, I'm assuming I have the same thing that it was hard bringing secular music inside the house? Oh, my God. Really?

My whole life. Prince punishments What? Down 100% Scoob-doggy dog punishment All day, Prince All of it SWV punishment

All of it Like go in your headroom And listen in your headphones Yeah Under the pillow Under the pillow I had Jodice And I had like this little

Like Jodicey was my thing in my teens And I had this little black Boombox And my bedroom is right next to my mums And my bed was right next to the wall And I would play it But I would put it under my pillow

To Muffle the Sound Right But that's how I learned How to do harmonies For real for real Like really melt them stuff. Listen to Josie.

All right. Look, I'm, hopefully, if you're conservative parents and you're listening to me, I'm shocked. But just let your kids listen. They're going to listen anyway. Just let them. Especially if they got their own phones now. Yeah. Yeah.

It's going down. It's a rat. So just let them listen. So you're saying that by 17, it was fine. Well, wait. Because again, When I first met you, I met you as an MC. I didn't know what you sang.

No. So. You're like, what, hi? Yeah. How did that go? I was kind of like, wait, reeked it? Yeah. This is the same style?

Yeah. But, yeah, like, how did hip hop affect you? My uncle was the one I brought in our house. And it was like. How old was he? He was an young uncle. He was just turned like 50. Okay.

And I'm. Oh, thank you. He just turned. fit like he's like you know but like he was a young uncle he was like definitely like out in these streets doing his thing right like waitsters um it's wild it's crazy um okay

had family so what kind of hip-hop was he was he playing for big daddy came all of that era um queen of we would call that classic classic yeah so that was his whole thing the one thing I remember he brought that like was like my switch onto it was breakdancing and we used to

we used to really breakdance as kids like because it was the thing. It's an age, right? And my mom was like, don't break dance no more to do. Was it terrible and ozone? He used to like that for breaking it. She liked to be,

yo, he broke his neck spinning on his head. Don't break dance before. And I was like, I don't want to die. It's like, I stopped. And I realized he didn't. But like, you know, she liked it.

It's a good time. That's how parents can't. They must have told that to every black parent. Every. At that time. Yeah, I heard that one. We didn't have insurance back then. So, but that was my switch into hip-up.

And like, And then I just liked it. It was like, then it became culture. It was a popular thing. But then it became like, as I got older, it was like, yo, I can really, I have a way we're putting the words together. It's not about poetry for me. It's about the rhythm and the rhyming of it, right?

And then all my friends were like into it. And then like mid to late 90s, I really was doing it. Like, I'll be the only girl in the room. We'd be writing songs and I would actually end up like finishing off rhymes or writing my own. And then friends were like, well, just put it. put the verse down, just put the verse down. I was like, no, I would put the verse down. Then it became like, well, actually, I could really do it.

Oh, okay. And so I did it. Well, when you're, I mean, when you're in the thick of it, you know, is there truly anybody to look up to, well, first of all, as far as how you get it. Now, I mean, because you're in the mid to late 90s, I'm assuming that there's a lot of Tim Westwood, a lot of 279. Yeah. I miss 279, man.

Me too, me too. all those guys. Wait a minute. You got to explain something to me. What? What was the deal with the so solid crew? So they were good, though. They were like the original.

All right, so they were the original, I'm saying, Wu tank. Well, hold on. It's like 90 of them. Yeah, pretty much. They still. They still. The only time, I mean, as an American,

there's a certain amount of arrogance that Americans have, and I guess, like, being over there, like, in our mind, it was like, no one could ever threaten you with the accent that, nice.

But then they came mega and all the guys and you're like you know like we just like come on like

a little accent that's cute but so they were real real G's though they weren't it wasn't some like made up doing a game

they still are they like can you settle not a rumor but okay so we know at least for that time in the late 90s

there were absolutely no firearms we were told there were no firearms in the UK. I thought that still aren't. I thought the UK is like the most little least firearms. We're so naive.

That's so nice. Really? Because we was like, model the eye gun control because y'all couldn't gun control. The day. The police don't necessarily have guns. Oh.

Let's stay there. Wow. Okay. There's always been. I never knew that. It's always been. Okay, so we heard a rumor that our beloved Westwood.

got shot in the ass by a member of that crew. I can neither confirm nor deny who didn't. No one will ever tell the story of why or if that happened. You have to understand. That was the realest hip-hop shit

ever heard coming out of London. That was real. And I almost felt like it was a badge of honor for him. Yep. Like I got shot, so. But in the booty. I'm still here.

You got to understand. Tim Westwood is the figure. Tim Westwood is the figure from BBC that really brought a lot of classic hip-hop. He was the phone master flex of the UK. He's the voice that you hear on top of

public enemies classic. It takes a nation of millions to hold us back. Fresh start of the week was the name of his show. He also was a white man just in case people were wondering. Yes, he's a, yes. Yeah, but I mean... Shut up, Steve.

His fingers. But, I mean, he was a pioneer of sorts of bringing those shows over. And I guess, like, you know, with how pirate radio was in the UK, a lot of all spring. So, like, cats, like, when I did 279, that was a pirate radio show. Mm-hmm. But it was like a real operation, like, the room we're in right now. Was it, like, at that point, was the government tire shutting them down? And they're just like, here, keep here.

And then it became choice. And then, like, and Choice of Family moved on to Choice of Family. It was like. So 279's legit now? 279's been legit. I feel like he's a kiss or so. He was a kiss for a while. Oh, man, he sold out and got a real radio station.

Everybody did. Everybody did. Erica. Listen, it's no games. But you put it in this context. 279. No, I'm trying to put so solid and the vibe of it. So if you got hip-hop, hip-hop, hip-hop, which was 279 and Westwood, then it became

this shift when all the music became mixed up, right? And then because they couldn't quite get hold on hip-hop, it was like, that's not the new thing coming out. You had all these labels investing in the new thing, which is garage, right, which is this huge scene that was blowing up. That wasn't hip-hop. That wasn't UK hip-hop. That wasn't like, after, after establishment, after labels. And so So solid was that. But so solid was real, we're real dudes. Like, they were like out there. Some of them were really out there. There's a couple of them still in jail, right? Still, still. So, like, you know, like, it was a very, oh, you guys think this is for fun, but like, you're investing in real human.

in real life scenarios. So, also that. But I don't want to paint him as them all unruly thugs. Because I think, like, Craig David also came from... Craig came from that scene, but he wasn't in so solid, no parts. He was before so solid. But, like, they were all kind of after the 279 and, like, Rodney Pee. And, like, I was even in that more that scene than I was in the garage side of stuff.

Like, I was really, like, rapid. Like, I was in the ciphers. I was, like, doing Dereal. So all those names at the time. that I saw like Miss Dynamite or Dizzy Rascal or even the streets. They came at the end of like the UK hip-hop side of stuff and they really ushered in that whole new garage side. That's what it was.

And they came all right before so solid. And it's so solid that it was came in like Wu-Tang. It was patterned on hip-up, but it was just a different kind of sound. So did you ever think in your life that there would be a breakthrough? Because again, like with the culture that they had, even I was like when Drum and Bass first came out I was like yo this is going to kill

that's why we did it when you got me we're like we're going to beat everybody and even like Andre classic well we tried and even with um he said we tried what well then when bombs over Baghdad came out when you know that was

Andre's version of they went to a club when I heard drum and bass like oh shit let's do that but I never thought well say it say it was oranges yeah I hear you got me

and everybody knows what that is people hear bombs and people know it but they don't like rocket like you got me the difference between you got me and bombs over Baghdad it's like like two pages zero four hero versus um uh zero four here

versus like something from metalheads you know it's like it's completely different it's the same genre but completely different sides of the plus you just teased us anyway I've been waiting for the continuation of that the fucking ever what you just teased us with the end of you got me

It was like, what, 30 seconds? Do you know the fight I had to do for it? I'm just saying we are still waiting for the real. But when you do things like that, though, especially because, like, it's such a jungle for us was our thing. Like, I'm going to that after school. I'm like, I'm playing out all throughout school. I'm out here like, wicked, wicket, jungle. I'm out here losing my mind as a kid.

Like, that's our thing. Wherever we go in the world, that's our thing. So when we heard, like, oh, shit. It's on the roots. Did it? Like, we lost our mortal minds. Like, it was just like, because people will come take the music and not give it props. Probably credit.

But you guys were there. And, like, you got people that people loved. Like, I'm opening up for you. Like, it was like, no, they embraced us. It's not on some. We came here to get the vibes and go back. Like, you guys spent time with us and our culture. So it was like respect.

We like to eat fun today. I miss it. So, like, why do you? Well, obviously the answer is that the Internet has now localized. Okay, well, I'm saying do you feel as though the Internet has colonized in a bad way? Wow, yes, colonized. Well, do you feel like the Internet has colonized U.K. culture? Because, I mean, the good news of it is now you are all breakout stars.

And the world can get the information at the same time. whereas like there's no breakout. There's no. But I also feel bad for like, like, okay, take Ms. Dynamite. Yeah. Remember, there was so much hope for her to be like, oh my God, this is going to be the next Lauren Hill and blah, blah, blah, blah. And it never happened.

There were other things behind the scenes with that, though. Like, it's real life and it's a culture thing, and you have to make a choice. And I don't know her personally in that space to say, well, she chose blah, blah, blah, or she did this. But, you know, people give up. upon what they don't, when you don't fit into a mold, or you don't fit into what they think, you know?

So there was stuff with it. You mean the audience or the artist? The audience and the labels. Oh. Like, she wasn't probably going to do a certain amount of things, you know, and she had a kid bang in the middle. And at that point, that wasn't the excuse, but I'm saying like, because look,

I walk into a room after her right after her to get signed, and I cannot front. Someone literally said to me, well, we're just working with. And she, and looked to me. at me like, I can't take that risk. And I was just like, really? I didn't even have a boyfriend.

About to say, get pregnant? No, dead ass. Was hurt about that. And I was just like, that's wild. How about it? It's safe to say everybody in this room has heard Amy Winehouse's debut album, Frank.

Yes. I was working at Universal when that album was out here in the United States and it was supposed to come out here and they took it off the schedule because they didn't know what to do with it. Crazy. I'm like,

put the music up. Yeah, it didn't really feel like it was a hard sell. You just listen to the record. Sounds like me pitching Roots records and Philly on the radio. I'm like, yeah, it's anything different. In that time. But the thing is, like, anybody I play that record for, they were like, oh, who is that?

Who is that? What is that? Shit, most people don't know about Frank. Really? Most people think, like, back to back. Was it? For good contention, people thought that that was, like, her debut. So when you're making, well, Okay, what were the steps that led to the 18th day?

My first album, I, okay, so I took the example. I've been in underground arts for my whole life. I've been like an independent underground arts for my whole life. And I was the girl that was like, I'm going to go make these records, I'm going to go find a distribution deal, and I read this book. By yourself? Yep. No manager?

I know. At the time, I've had managers. Right. But I would direct them. Okay. I'm very much the king of my. castle. Okay.

Enjoy your fate. Yeah. I'm with it. I direct and I listen and I pay attention and I work with people who are incredible. But I very much an instinct gut person. So I was like, man, look, these people out here, every time we go to a label, they keep talking about we don't know what to do. So let's show him. And I was like, well, let's go get these distribution deals.

And so I had one. I went to a bunch of labels. They were like, we don't know. I said, cool, I'm going to show you what to do. Got my distribution deal. We sold 5,000 hand-to-hand. And it was so digitally, not digitally, but like on the internet at the time, right? We were selling like one or two CDs a week, which was great at the time.

In and around Europe and the UK, but also 5,000 within a month after going to the labels and them saying, we don't know what to do, had a really dope publicist. And she put me on every magazine you could find a couple covers where they were struggling to get their artists. And I had no deal. It was just me and my label, Stella, Estabst. What, what happened? Wait a minute.

So that whole time we were doing together, you were just, you were too, you were too, short out the trunk? Out the trunk. Oh man, I got duped. This is real. And then, and then, and then the next set of times, I definitely was like on V2. And the same person that was like, I don't get it.

It was like, I guess I should sign you? I was like, just. So we did the deal. And even throughout that whole period, he was looking at me like, so that record free, you wrote it? I had to get the producer on the phone. The disrespect was so thick and so real about young black artists. You couldn't have possibly written a record.

that thorough of your own head and off your own heart. Because you're a little black girl from the hood. Like, you guys don't do that. It was that kind of, I called the producer and I said, so did you write any of the words on melody? He said, no, I just play guitar. I said, and I put it phone down. And this guy was so angry and mortified.

And, like, we'd just go out of his way to stop everything with the second album. And that's when I, no. But wait, how did you get? Even get to the 13, 18th day. No, but how did you even get James and Omar? And you got John Legend on the first record. I'm foolsie.

You just, I was recording. You just walk up to my own wife. Yes. What's up, son? Hi. Hello. The Kanye story's real. Like, I really did.

I was in LA recording and I went up. I love that story because, I mean, now Kanye being who he is, you know, you would think that was a Kanye move. It was a different Kanye. Yeah. It was a different Kanye then, but you would think, you know, now knowing who Kanye is, you would go up and ask for, you know, Kanye's information, but you went up and asked for John Legends.

Yeah, because his voice is incredible. Yeah. And I was, I get, I get my instinct again, right? I was like, no, this guy's voice. I think my boyfriend at the time was like if you don't just go find this guy because you just out here smiling I mean it's cute and all

but also like I was like no I have to find him and then it was just fate and did you know about his education at the time and like I have a feeling that has a lot to do with his success so that's how I was like

John's a smart guy but also he's the same thing he's instinct to a degree you know and we met you ever and I was like y'all it's fine and all this is lovely we're in record plant

in L.A. and I'm like yo I've got like two dollars to my name to get back to the hotel or can we wrap this up type deal? Like I had to leave in a couple of hours. And he was there and we connected up and I left. And he was like, I just like your drive. And the fact that you didn't come in here giving the crap about a yay

or whoever was in the studio. I came to find you to do this record that I have pre-recorded vocals and lyrics to. Can you sing this part please? And he was like, let me hear it. And I was like, I gave it to him play. I was like, listen to it in your own time. All right. I had a hard drive and everything.

I remember it cost so much money. I gave him the hard drive. I was so tight. whole hard drive. Terabyte. Did you ever get it back? Nah. I don't know.

And then like I left and he called me. He was like, yeah, it's good, it's good. Dude, I've known you forever. I've never knew the film and Louise ending car jump that it took. Damn, dude. How come I never knew that story? Sometimes we don't have time to stop and talk. For real, for real.

I'm going to write a book about all these moments. Wow. This has been my home. hole. I don't, I don't wait for the opening. I'll just push through the door. You know, if I feel the instinct and it's like, go, go, go, go, go. You know? So even then, I mean, I'm almost certain it was just, just to get to above water level was a goal, not even to like, it wasn't even about, hey, I'm going to really kill this game and da-da-da-da-da. So, I mean, by the time you get to the second record, what are you thinking?

By the time we got to shine. I was grateful for John in a way that, like, people, you know, I'm this person very loyal. I don't care what. John stuck his neck out for me without thinking. Like, everybody. That is rare. Mine.

And everybody in his team at the time was like, what is this? Like, it was smoothly. Like, they diss me to my face. Like, I mean, you don't know Aretha like that. Da-da-da-da-da-da. I said, I know Aretha. I'm just not an Aretha singer. Right.

And it was like a lot of different shots at me because I was supposed to be this kind of black girl. Right. And I come in rapping and singing and I have a smoother voice and I'm confident and you're not going to tell me nothing. I came here with Loubertons and I came here with my fashion and my vibes. You feel me? Can you animate the thing else? We're doing the tip of the head right now with our hands. What you're about to do?

No, but like at the same time, I was very much like, I was. very much like I'm not going to give you all those facts but like also I'm not going to take it to heart I'm just going to do what I came here to do and a lot of people shot at him like why you signed her like this doesn't make no sense this is a terrible investment blah blah blah blah blah

and he was like I've seen her work I've seen her go trust me I'm just here for the right he literally would say it to me like look if we don't need to work together in 10 years please live your best life and essentially we did but you know but he stuck his neck out for me in a way that is unprecedented

and I'm forever grateful because I went to the label that were like, nah, and then I guess I should sign you. And I said to them after like the first two meetings of like, you don't really do this. It's a lie. Go find your ghost writer. I said to them, so look, next album I have John Legend. He wants to accept produce it.

He won about 500 Grammys. This guy's touring out the world. these albums gold at this point in the UK, Europe, and the whole world. And they say to me, who's that? And I wanted to punch the wall. I said, let me go. I said, let me go. And he were like, what?

I said, no, let me go. And then he was like, I said to him, so the second album I had asked you to exact produce, I'm going to leave the label. And he was like, I'll sign you. I said, you sure? He's like, yeah. I said, all right, come on, let's go. It never happens like that.

Never. Except in a stealth case. Were you the only release from that? I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah, home school. He set the label up to put me out. John. Home school records.

Damn, John. So John is a G for that. People don't know that part of the story. Everyone thinks it's the A, but it's John. Wow. He did a lot as far as having my back and just support me and not really taking the credit as far as like, you know, where people were like, oh, people say, oh, he wrote this and he wrote that for.

He's like, he's not the one out there shouting at it. People make up their assumptions. you know he lets me he knows he knows my capabilities have y'all reconnected so now does y'all live in the same town I seen him around like we're cool and I'm good friends with the team we're still good like that's family

it's the cousin well yeah true true to how music history works I believe I've heard the story before the legend of American boy was that was it the last song made and it was just like an afterthought it was well didn't believe that the record was a hit like

the music was a hit It came from his joint Yeah Right He said He's like I don't think I said trust me This is what we listen to

At home This is this is it This is it And I was literally on a beach In Miami And that's the vibe It was on It was BBE records

It was BBE records It was BBE It was the Interscope one The songs about girls The one that nobody bought No it was on BBE You put on BB in the UK Yeah

In the UK I used to love me some BB It came out on Interscope here The Songs About Girls Yeah The one that nobody did At least nobody here really did Yeah

They had a couple joints on And you said I wouldn't rhyme over that beat? Or I want to sing over that. And we wrote it like three minutes. I vocal it the next day, an hour. And then, but every time we played it to people, their energy would just shoot up. Like, it was like palpable.

Sitting in the room and played a record. Everyone was like, oh, vibes. Yeah, I was going to say that probably American boy is probably one of the few songs in this millennium now that we at least have two decades under our belt, not to age us all. Oh, too late. No, especially with the way,

especially the way that information happens and like one song just instantly replaces another song without, you know, I mean, you remember how many times you've heard crazy by Norris Barkley when it first came out? It's sort of like you might hear it now, but it's almost like, I feel like, Maybe American boy next to Crazy in Love, like that's one of the songs that won't ever die.

Like it's still on my DJ set right now. Somebody just made a remix on it. I was like, they still make a remix. Yeah, it's been about three in the past two years. I'm not mad at. I heard Tam's joint. Yeah, I was about to say, like that's- They trap it out, they put it on TikTok.

It's live your best life. That's what we want. I'm afraid to go there. I'm so scared. It's fun. It's a rioting whole of glorious foolishness. It's amazing. But I gotta go there to know what song to play.

No, no to know what song to play. No. No. You know. I've taken my life back. No more social media for me. Jealous a bill. So was it ever a point where it was like tiring?

Like, again. Like, are you, it's somewhere between Nirvana, it smells like teen spirit where they refuse to do it now and De La Soul where... Me, myself and I? Where they just sing, we hate the song all over the thing. Oh, it was. Like, is it that or you're just like, nope, I know where my bread is buttered and I'm fine. I had to reset.

I had records in the UK that people will never not let me perform. Like, that's 90 for me. And to the point where I'm like, we were down what you since. Yeah, 9080, 90. I'm just like, do you know the words? Because I don't to the second person. Oh, you're one of them people. I have to forget.

And there's so many words in my head. Oh, my goodness. So many words in my head. I'm going to have a teleprison. Prompter at the 55. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. Prince used ones.

He did. I had to reset my energy with that because I literally pray for records like that. I was like, no. And I got one. And I was like, how dare I be ungrateful and say I don't want to sing it? And it makes me happy. There's so many ways to sing that record. And like, sometimes I don't sing it at all.

And then you have to consider. Or you just Bobby Brown it. Don't sing it. Genuine that. That's my new reference. Genuine that. He said, if y'all, oh, I said, Oh, my God.

I said, good Lord, this is amazing. They just sing everything. Every word. I paid for you to sing it. He just a bad. He just a way. Buddy girl, buddy, boy in a. Get it.

I got that. I'm the one in the back screaming, looking for my father. What? Me. It's me, genuine. Hi. What? Who knows how to...

This is terrible. I was 12 singing such filth. Ain't you related to it to Genuine? I'm about to say... You're related to Genuine. You never told me to ever. Levantrius is related to... What? Wait, what?

No, I'm a character on Parks and Rec. Thank you very much. Oh, yeah. And Genuine is me and Reda's first cousin. That's revealed in the last episode. That's the other black person on the show. Yeah. It's...

Yeah. You don't watch Parks and Rec. I didn't know we're still. Parks and Rec. No, no, it's not. It's always runs everywhere. It's the Wu-Tang of comedy. Yeah, I know that.

I know everybody came from Nair's though. It's one of the best sitcoms. Yes, but one of the longest running jokes was about her long-lost brother, which they had me play. That's dope. And Genuine is her first cousin. Oh, yeah, she's on that Netflix show. I know that's right. Yes, exactly.

And they had Genuine come out and sing Pony for a little son. No. I'm going to. to go watch. Thank you. It's amazing. Yeah. So shout out to my first cousin, Gene. Elgin. Ljian. Lumpkin. Happy Pride Month, Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space.

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For all of me. Yeah. Which, okay, slight side note. Go ahead. I'll admit it because Bill's like, you fake motherfucker. You know, I forgot about the interlude. I totally forgot about that. So even in recapping your music, I was like, oh, shit, I'm on this.

I totally forgot about that. What was your, what was the impetus or at least the process in creating this record? I was going through a lot. I was coming off of a, like, the Shined American Boy. All of my worlds were completely shifting, and I say that in the nicest way. Friends were wilding. I was wilding. Boyfriends.

What is that whirlwind like? You're not on the ground, and you're trying to desperately hold on to the ground that you know, but guys are moving it out from under you anyway. And with nine siblings. Also, how does that affect you? Oh, it was wild. Like my little sister, my family moved out of London because so my little sister, one of them was so hype.

It was just, it was unsettling for them, and that's when I realized I say it to people now. They took on your success? I got siblings too. Not on purpose. One of them got a little wild with it, and then the whole family moved. Because it was like, you know, taking my stuff to school

and to, like, do the school thing, and, like, all my sister's this, and people liking you for, the trainers you wore or you brought that your sister's trainers and then news people creeping up around my family house and we still sort of lived in the hood a bit and going to the drug dealers two doors down and talking and I was like my littlest brother who's an accountant

and a lawyer and an incredible brilliant young man had to go up there and be a bit gangster and it's just like no that's my actual family I raised and no you know so I'm dealing with that whilst never be in a home and the people that you're trying to call your family were out here, just not having your back. It was just a lot going on during the All of Me period.

And I'm dating a dude who was just wildly trash. We all are trash. Not all of you. He was. You should start out that way. Ten years ago, he was trash. So here we are. Almost 10 years ago.

And I was going through a lot and trying to just hold on to something that looked like love or look like home and it was all needed to go. Is it hard? Navigating that, you know, I know that where most people either had is their home, but I mean, you've moved to the States and kind of without any stable family. Well, I don't know, for some people, getting away from the family might be a necessary move. No, it wasn't necessary more than I just knew I had to do that for my career because it was like, one, it was just tiring every three months. getting on a flight and your energy just up and down, right? You know, that toured extensively for a very long time.

And so imagine doing that. And then everyone demands all this stuff of you. So I was like, I'm just going to move there. My mom was like, I knew what was going to happen eventually. They helped me, they sent me off, and they would try and come a visit, and then the visits dwindled, and then I was never home, so it didn't really matter. And then I would go home to London, and I couldn't go home. And so they come and see me at the hotel for two hours.

right before I go to the airport again and it was just like I lost touch per se not on purpose but by force of we just didn't have the time so it would be like I was so grateful for the hotel suites

that I had because the whole family could come and I was come crash and I just got to sit down and my mom would bring African food and we would sit down yeah right and the whole vibe and they were gone and I have to go back to being a stellar robot

you know there's a lot happening Actually, there's a question I do have that I'm probably certain I wouldn't be able to ask had you come on the show a year ago. Now, you're dealing with, okay, when we say the fuckery that is this current administration, you're actually dealing with this two times over. And so what is the, not, not, you know, DefCon. five or whatever but what's the current concern of yours or level fear concern when it comes to you traveling overseas or your family coming over here or you because i see where this is about to go if if old money gets a second term in office well i mean two weeks ago uh there's there's been nine uh other countries added and all them from Africa.

Because of the year of the return, you think? Wow, you really think that? I believe it. Was Ghana added to the... No, but because they have other deals with different U.S. countries, but I feel like it was just the idea... Here's my thing that I've seen. You give the energy of, you scare people,

you make them feel like, you know what I mean? And that does more for people's energy or people's perception of what's going on than the actual thing. You know what I mean? And I feel like that's what he's doing. That part. Yeah.

And it's like the fear of like, oh, well, now it's going to like, can we really go there? Well, meanwhile, the energy at the top of the year was like, we can do this. It's not as crazy as Nigeria? What? So has travel been hard for you coming in and out of the States like extra, like longer at the? As soon as I saw that go in, I actually wouldn't apply for my passport. Okay. So like, I have dual citizenship.

Okay. So like, because I was like, no, no, no, no. All my things are here. And then luckily, all my things are here. So let me make sure I'm good on both sides of the war. Yeah. Your family's passport says Britain on the show. Yeah, but the beautiful thing is we also, like I said, I'm very clear.

So dual citizenship's there. We have Senegalese. We have similar to own passports. We have different, we could go. You know, we've done smart things strategically smart. My brothers and sisters, I love them for this. They're very smart about how they handle themselves and I'm proud of them and that, you know, they really hold their side of family things.

They don't look at me like, you got to do. You know, they really are brilliant in their own rights. So I'm proud of them. They hold it down. Five passports. I'm never going to jail. Okay. How about that?

Take that to heart. How about that? Take that to your heart. Yes. It's not a game because people, he's wild. This guy's crazy. So now that we are where we are and, well, the aforementioned 21 Savage being one of the biggest UK exports. I'm still like no existence.

I don't know it. Oh, wait, you're just finding out now? No, like whatever I found out. Oh, whatever, right, exactly. So, well, I'm just saying that it's ubiquitous. Like, how do you feel about the current climate of today's artists that are coming from the UK and kind of the... I love it. I would love to see more of them actually do the effective work here, though.

Okay. Like, besides the big pop artists that they pull out of the U.S. I love to see like the R&B and the hip-hop artists do more of the groundwork. Because I know that everyone's always like, yo, you really did it. And I'm just like, you should be here doing the radio runs and doing the, doing like the smaller, the black culture things. Because it's like they're selling you on one thing. But the thing I know I had to do with the All of Me album with Thank You was work backwards. So American Boy came and it blew, right?

Black people here didn't really know me like that though. So when I did Thank you, I was like, it's fine. And they were like, no, no, no, no, you're going to Mississippi. No, no, no, you're going to go see some black people. And you're really going to talk and be out there. And I had to do it. And that's the stuff that I think that people miss when they say, like, oh, you're big around the world. You're going to America.

You're going to clean. But, you know, Joe in Champaign, Illinois, don't know you. You know? And it's like, and, you know, and Mavis over there in Mississippi has no clue. This is something that means. that in your mind. Like, it's not Joe Mavis. It's absolutely not.

Your hypothetical audience. I don't know. I have the same names as my grandmama. I was afraid. Tell us more where you think of. Belmont. But it's true. Like, but like real folks who just like, in the same way that like.

I was going to say, yeah, that, it just hit me that. My grandma don't know Bruno. So in the same kind of way, like, look, it might be the pop-in-ist thing and you might look like, but go and do the work. Damn. I was going to. My grandma. My grandma.

You know. Well, wait, I was going to say, so that was smart of you to, yeah. Yo, you're just hitting me now. And nobody else has followed. Nobody's looking at those steps. I can't name the amount of times that we performed in Mississippi or Alabama or, you know, I mean, at least in the last, I mean, we don't do the down south states as much as we do our regular.

Because y'all were built on colleges too, though. Don't you think so? Because of the foundation in a way. Yeah. But then you also have a different way into people's spirits with TV. So it's a different, you know. Yeah, but he's still got to get the black folk. I mean, well.

But that's still Jimmy Fallon's band. I was about to say I still. Them black people are populating in that audience on Jimmy Farrell. They do it in his research and their kids put them on. Because all our families are begging us for tickets. He has nice Super Bowl commercial, boss. Oh, thank you. That old thing?

There's a certain amount of work they're going to do that. I still am just like, I want to see a Georgia Smith come here and do that run. Yes. And I want to see, like, I want to see Ms. Banks come here and do, you know, and it's that fine line of you. You don't have to, but you should. You know, I said to Sims, I was like, you don't have to move here, but you should come here and stay for a while.

Or come and whatever you want to do. Like, but you don't have to, but you should for a while. Come in, you can't sell somebody or tell someone that you get their culture if you're not here, in it. You know, not from. Like, you went to the UK and you lived it. you could talk to it. Not for nothing.

Well, I mean, we did it because, like, we knew they would accept us, but not for nothing. When you're fine and, okay. It's good, yeah. You have a potential second chapter as a manager. Or at least... It's going to happen. I mean, a lot of your talking points are that of, like, almost Carol Lewis, like an agent. Wow.

Because I don't think that your average... When a person comes from where they are to the United States, I think nine times out of ten, they're just thinking of New York, L.A., Vegas, maybe, Chicago, like a major city. Whereas, you know, people aren't thinking of long range. I had to physically do it. That's why I know it works. Once you see them, don't you see yourself? Once you see them and you go to their town, they love you for life.

They love you for life. Look, I went to Selma and San Conqueror. on the not on the next day when TV one did the special and I met Tremaine Hawkins who to me is like the garden

in gospel things like that and she knew my record and my whole heart exploded like things like that like I lose my mind about things like that because it's like

this is who I grew up listening to as an eight, nine, 10 year old in my mom's kitchen and I'm sitting there going what shall I do? And then she's standing in front of my face singing Conquer and I almost collapsed

like but You don't, you're not going to get to those moments where it's those people, we stand on their shoulders. If you don't go and touch the people, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're not going to get those. And I just feel like we have so much great, we write the rules. Come here and talk to people about the rules that we write in. Like, come and help them understand the new swerve, the new energy about it all. And from our point of view, like, it's wildly lonely.

It's been wildly lonely for a very long time being me, Marsha. Right. Me and Marsha. Like, yeah, it's just as Marsha. Well, I tell people all the time on this show, you have to build a tribe. Like, there has to be nine, at least nine like-minded people. Yeah. Well, I started my label like on, ooh, on that, because I was like, well, I have all of this to give.

And I want to be able to leave. this legacy. Like, do the work and, you know, come here and put time in, and you're not going to sleep for like 20 years, but it's all right. It'd be okay. You'll have a ball while you're doing. Yeah, you know, I have fun. Sleep when you're dead, man. That's, like, the only option they'll have, like, so, also. So do you like L.A. now? I like it. Do you like it as a single lady?

No. Okay, I didn't think so. I just wanted to clarify because, you know, you got to tell people. That part is trash. But here's the thing. Okay. Okay. I have to change my energy about all that things, all that stuff. Because there might be potential. It's definitely, no, there's a couple of potentials out there. I definitely. In L.A.?

Yeah. Is it like two, three? Are they brown? Yes. People don't know that that's hard in L.A. It's hard. This is the podcast I'm waiting for. Good.

Talk about navigating the single life in L.A. Short version, it's trash. No, no, it's not trash. It's just, I, my friends always say to me, Look, as hard as you work on your music and your life and your career, you have to work on your love life. Exactly, it's hard. But can you find love in L.A.?

But wait, and the Angie give you the speech... They have to come out of town. They have to come from out of town. And did Angie give you the speech that she gave me about, listen, Laiaeia, you have to open your mind when you come to L.A. You have to say that. Angie Stone or Nissel?

Angela Nissel. Oh, she was like... Angela Nisle and Don Wides were like, listen, you got a day outside your race. I was like, but they don't holl. I tried. They don't hollered. They hollered. It was...

It was... interesting. Right. It's just not the same. It's just like, why go for the second if you want? It is the accent. I know. You think it's an accent?

No. Development accent. It's no. Just say yeah after everyone. No, but I want. But I want what I want. And if they, I mean, I want the best. You want what you want.

You want what you want. You know what you want? You know what? But like, LA has opened me out though. Like, I am a lot more like, I see two sides of everything. It's balance. It's how is that person feeling when they, like, I'm not human.

Because. I can't be a Judgey Baptist. Like, I've done too much. I've been through too much to, like, put anybody on anything, put anything on anybody and say, well, that's that. And, you know, I just kind of, I'm open. But also, like, I want what I want. It's like, it's not a compromise on something.

Every day I have to sit here and be like, I mean. You know something else? Wait, you just let me. You do sometimes chameleonize yourself into another person. Slight confession. Toby. Okay. Oh, no.

So when I went to Smart, Black and Funny, he did. It took me eight minutes to realize I was sitting with you and Melanie Fiona. Are you serious? I didn't hear a trace of accent. That's wild. And I was like, yo, these girls are so nice to me. That's so cool.

That's wild. We sat there. I probably had different hair, too. And then Melanie called me. Yeah, your hair was changed. I was sitting behind you at first. And then Melanie says something. I was like, wait, I felt like I know this person.

And her hair was different. Yeah. And then your accent came out Oh, fuck Is this the style Melny field? Look, because No, this has been my

I've been learning American accents too Because every time I go So I'm doing acting more acting Oh, here they're going to take our job Let's the action, let me hear No, it's terrible Come on a Cynthia Reva, go ahead

Give the tools Go ahead Mm-hmm You know that's a thing, Amir You know They're coming over here They're getting these acting jobs You know

Oh, you're in I've been doing it I've been doing it I've been doing it guys let me tell you but like the thing is

they keep giving me these roles I laugh with my manager Mike because I'm just like first of all what so they keep asking me

to be strippers and I keep being like where I don't see it I don't have enough for this I never look at you walk away so I don't really know

you know I don't go to Rosco some more I don't have enough for this okay Mike looking like if you don't shut the fuck up on me

I'm sorry no I had to I had beefed with one of my agents like, yo, stop sending me these damn like, we know, nah, bra. You better have said yes to hustlers, relax. No, I didn't get that one.

I should have got that one. That would have been fun. I could have learned how to actually strip. Then you would have been on the Super Bowl. I put, I have wild. I'm just joking because I love her. Wait. That's what I was like,

I love hustling, by the way. The hell back, look. You look, strip a ball. Yo, stripper pose is a bowl? I had a time. I had a time. It was a, no. stripper's story sorry

I was in the street club first time I had my song outside in Atlanta in Atlanta better be Atlanta or no magic Magic City Magic City or Ony

Oh shit American boy Yeah Oh shit No it was at Onyx Oh And we went there to treat the guys Because like life

We were on the road And I was like Let's go to trick club then All right How they got good wings Sure let's go Yes Stip loves are based on their wings

Wings Oh, shout out to spirit. All right, listen. You can't even get the names out fast enough. I know it's so many good strip clubs with good food. Come on, let's go. No, no, no. I'm, I kid you not.

Wait, there's a good street. I thought it's good because I was like, well, here we are. The other day, I was like, here we are. This is interesting. What is it? It's Sam Browns or something like that. It's downtownish. Well, I didn't eat the food.

Oh, but the girls were nice. The ladies were lovely. And so here's the thing I go in there and I'm just like Again I'm not judgy I don't care live your best life right And it was just always weird when they play my record And the dude set it up like

We got some so We remember this You had Don't you hate that You had Lloyd in the house You had like Lloyd and this is This is years ago Lloyd bow wow

And a few other singers right Early singers Right R&B singers And they're like that side of the club And I'm just like Oh shit oh, this like, ah, and I'm just in there trying to like, okay, but I'm me though.

Right, right, right, right. And then the guy, my girl, my assistant had told the dude that I was there. And she's like, yeah, we got a real singing in the house. And I was like, shit. And then he puts the record on. I like Lloyd. I do too. I'm my fan is.

And I was just like embarrassed. And he goes to me, yo, sing the song. And then I'm singing the American boy. And this girl's like. You sing in the club? And she's like, and she's major. And she's like, oh, take. It's really good.

Okay. Take me, Your Honor. Woo. She comes down and then she's like, I just love you. You're just so cute. You're so like, you're so classy. And I was like, yeah, okay. And then she hugs me and it's like, oh, is that weird, awkward?

Oh, with the. With the lotion smell on you now. All over me now. And then it happened again. It's Stadium with Thank you. At Thank you with Stadium. That shit was wild. No, they played break.

my heart and then they all came come up to me in a line like a greet and me in greet line that was like church but they didn't dance for you so it's like but they were like coming to be like nice so it was like no you're you like I need you to dance take them clothes off no don't I will put money in the in in the dancer's hand what I can't go to the strip club but I was just considering it you just mess it's not going to happen oh my god I'm gonna eff it all up I'm the killer of vibes No, I'm like, amazing. Wait, you put it in their hands?

Wait a minute, I have a Stevie J story. It's happened in the time. It's like that. I had a wild and crazy life. Don't forget, Mike. No, no, no. Mike knew about this story, Steve Jay. Mike was probably there with it.

No, the guys had set me up. We were on the road and I said to myself, I tweet something like, yo, Mimi be like, when he leaves, I'll be quiet. When he leaves, I'll be quiet. When he leaves, I'll be talking again about us. When it first come up on the show When they were first on the show

And I tweeted that And then the team were like I was like Yo, what if he came to the show tonight? Ha ha ha ha ha So the team make him come to the after party And I'm there like Oh my little sister and me

Stevie J My little sister comes on the road She's my roadie My homie All right She comes on the road And she's like Yo I was like

It's Stevie Shette We're having this whole breakdown In our soul right And Steve EJ comes in the room And I'm just like I got to ask him if this is real So I says yo He comes up

He goes to me to meet you sis And I'm like, hi. And he's like, I said, wait, you have to tell me, is that real? Like, do you really be, is this real? Like, the face and the red face. Oh, it's real all day, baby. And he does the face. And I'm like, okay.

It gets worse. It gets worse. So we end up in a strip club with Stevie J. And my whole team is trying to find a way for me to have an interaction with Stevie J and the stripper. And they're just doing this for their pure shits and giggles. They're doing this for the day because they know it's about... They're doing this so they can laugh at me.

And so we end up... And look for a new job tomorrow morning. So I'm lucky. No, I didn't have it. But I was definitely like, oh, this is weird. Oh. I go to the bathroom. On the way back, he grabs me

and he pulls me to the stage. And I'm just like, oh, what's going to happen? I'm really in my soul like, oh. Like an old lady. And he pulls me and it's like a big lady. And she's like, go in. And like, she's going. And then her booties up.

She's smashed you in your face. No. And she's like, this girl is uncomfortable. I'm just like, yeah. And so if I'm standing, if her booty's facing the audience, I'm standing with my right side. I remembered it. And he's facing me.

And he's like, yo, look at her, man. I was like, what? He's like, yo, look at her. And he says worse things. I was just like, oh, it's all right. She's doing great. He's like, look at them titty. Look, I'm so.

Why are you going to the strip club? You don't belong there. I don't. But it's fun. And the way you're dressed. Check it. Check it. Check it out.

I gave her the money in the house. Here, go. Thank you. That was so great. She was like, thank you. But I feel like they appreciate that. I don't throw at them and be the middle. I feel you.

Look, if we're in Vegas, we're going to go to experiment vinyl because they had the best French fries ever. Okay. I'm with you and I have been there. We had the wild bell over there. I've been in all the shit clubs and I'm the most polite. I can't.

Yo, I can give y'all a structure breakdown on the best foods. I actually am very interested in that. Yeah. In Atlanta, Atlanta is actually the best club in Atlanta is actually Follies. Ah. Like the best dancers. At Follies? Yes.

Diet. No, not literally. They killed. No. What are they doing? They really want to dance at Follies. Because they have a good rate there. Ah.

Like the old gold club, I got you. Well, yeah, because the owner lets them keep their money. At least more than most do. No, no, no, some will tax the shit. Yeah, oh, I know. He makes a killing off of the bar and more importantly, the water, which I don't want to give his secrets away. Charges for water.

Interesting. Yes. But he has a great deal on bottled water. I don't know. Maybe a friend of ours. Gets in the world. Gives a friend of his, a friend of ours. But, yeah, yeah, fell off the truck.

But, yeah, Follies, it also has great food in Atlanta. Whole commercial. It's good to know. You have to do, like, a little book. This is a new book. John Gis said you're not allowed to do those. No. I mean, I mean, that would be fun.

Like, I would, I'd want to know or do a site. I don't know. We got to find a trip. We're looking for someone. We need to have a green book for. For entertainers. No, so serious. At least you know they serve breakfast after, you know, like four.

No, real life. I'm going to have to talk you about this. This is the quiet as you ever been, Steve. I'm nominating myself for this job. Oh, God. All right. So we got to wrap this up, y'all. Yeah.

We talked about the church in the UK and immigration and pancakes at Follies. So, okay, so, and love in L.A. Yeah. So for you, what is your, what is your hope for this year? We're already in February. Like, what are you? I'm really, like, so my main thing is a label goes up. I have a new artist that I really, really, like, will go for.

Like, in the same way John went for me. She's incredible. She's a great singer. She just, my thing is, I'm not investing in anybody who I have to pull from the ground up. I'm investing in people who are doing the work and who want to actually learn the business and be sustainable on their own, you know? So she's from. She's from Illinois, Chicago.

Okay. She's really dope. I love you. I call Illinois. Illinois. It's so respectful. What about Chicago? She's from Illinois.

She's from Illinois, but family in Chicago. And like, it's, she's been working, you know, and she's been really trying to do this. Do we name her? Yeah, Jamie Woods. Okay. She's incredible. That's a hard name to follow on on Instagram. Jamie Kurtz.

Jamie Woods. On Instagram, but she has a very beautiful. beautiful voice she just stands and sings I believe she's going to be incredible you're going to see it sweet um but she also knows the business and is learning it quickly you know okay um and like so the labels going up we're doing TV films documentaries we're expanding like the festival space which is you know I know a lot of things that I see and I understand a position that I'm in and I just want to make sure that going forward anybody that comes here understands that they have this outlet and they have this unique space that they can really run down whether you you know because we all need we needed

that person I needed that person to what's the word uh help me and I had to figure out a lot of things myself you know so yeah mentoring is essentially the key so I've you know a lot of artists come through and I definitely touch there you have it folks is paying it for it that's happening yeah and essence this year's going and like we're going again we have the bashment the dance all the Soka. Nice. And I think, I feel like, I don't know if I spoke too soon about that. Wait, wait.

Did you just, I didn't hear what? So every year, no, essence is like last year. They're expanding there. It's not just the side room. They have other facts of black culture. Diaspora then. Yeah. Last year we did it with them and it was the first year. We sold out.

It was the highest rated like performance. And so this year we're doing it again. And my thing was to make sure that whenever we touch down and you understand the diaspora's here. It's not just about, it's definitely black. culture, but also here we are. Because that's where I come from. Like, I never do a American boy show.

I go on to do a show on this bashman, it's dance, all this, all the music is drum bass, it's house. And I want people to know that that's, we can touch all those spaces about feeling like, oh, your alternative or all you're different. Nah, this is what we do as a people. That's what it is. So we're doing that with essence, and that's what we do.

Put your flag down. Yeah, hell yeah. Strong J. Estée. Yes, T-9-N-A-N-A-H-H. Strong, girl. Hey, no. Strong J.

Strong J. Yeah. Be the team are strong and we get it down. We're getting it down. I'm proud. There you go. Yeah.

All right. Well, Estelle, we thank you very much for coming and speaking to us. Love is rock. Yes, yes, yes, yes. All of your product is now streamable.

Yeah. I was about to see in your local record story. It's all up there. Teams and cassettes. We got new records coming this year, so, too. Beautiful. That's great to hear.

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