The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Greg Phillinganes Pt. 2

Episode Date: December 26, 2022

In part 2 of 2, Greg Phillinganes talks more about his time with Michael Jackson, and some of the other artists he's worked with including George Harrison, Lionel Ritchie and Quincy Jones.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Quest Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. What's up, y'all? Last week on Quest Love Supreme, Greg Philigains took us on a journey through his career from auditioning for Stevie Wonder's band, fresh out of high school to work with the Jackson's during the Destiny and Triumph years. And when we left Greg, he was telling us how he got Jack for his right as credit for 10% of the publishing royalties for Michael Jackson's

Don't Stop Teen Get Enough. And he also said there was a Quincy Jones version of that story too. So there's part two of the special Greg Fill and Gaines edition of Quest Love Supreme. Here we go. So, you know, it's the song. Well, Amir?

100 ways. Hunter ways. No. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. There's something a lot more subtle. Oprah.

Huh? Oprah theme? I was going to get it. No, no, no, no. You're never going to get it. No, you're not going to get it. I'm going to set it up for you because you're never going to get it.

The setup is this. It's great. It's good, isn't it? You're having fun with you? I'm so much. You want to do another one? Yes. Okay.

So here's the thing. The thing is this. So it's me and it's Neil Steubenhouse. And I want to say Paul Jackson, Jr. on guitar. I'm not sure, but I think so. And I'm pretty sure it's JR on drums. We're in the studio.

And we're just vibing. You know, we're just right about here. We're vibing. You know, and we're just a nice little thing going on. And we're just vowing. You know, Quincy's like, hey, all right. You know. You know, we're just vibing and, uh, this vibe is being recorded.

You know, right about here. Okay, some time passes. And I don't mean hours. I don't mean days. I mean some time. And now, Quincy's working on. I think I figured it out. I believe.

So I believe so, wait, wait, wait, wait, before you all say anything, I believe so. And it says, yeah, you know, we're doing this thing and I want to, I want to recreate that groove thing. You know, I want to recreate that thing that's right about this tempo right here. And so if you think you know it, what is this song? Secret Garden. Oh, damn, I had the wrong one. What did you say? Secret Garden.

Bingo. Wow. Wow. secret. Thank you. Oh. I'm doing a real special secret. Okay. And that's okay. Yeah. Damn.

Oh, there's a story for everything. There's a story for everything. So it's like I love Quincy's dirty draws, but he never he would never admit that. Because you know what? I asked him by it one day. He's like, what are you talking about?

Long time ago I asked him. And he you reared up at me like what are you talking about okay i get it damn you got a good heart so after that joint came out no i'm just pretty stupid oh well i was just no i mean it's the game you know here's the the thing is this i i i was too busy being hurt i was too busy being emotionally affected as opposed to saying oh hell with this i'm fighting this but really are you really prepared to fight Michael Jackson for a piece of a song with Michael and his his his his team of lawyer army of yeah are you really gonna are you really think you're gonna like succeed in that

and have a freaking prayer so what am I gonna do you know and so I had to suck it up but what I lost and look 10% please I'd be living next to Quincy with 10% of that one That one song. But, you know, what I lost in revenue, I'd like to think I gained in a relationship. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Because it went from that. And by the way, it ain't just that.

I know. What else you got? Oh, how about, did the end of Heartbreak Hotel play itself? You wrote that bridge? Oh, that's beautiful. Thank you. Which was orchestrated. It doubled with strings and everything.

Yes. Because Michael said, we need something dramatic here at the end. So I came up with that. Wow. And then they added an orchestra to that too. Did you start, after this, do you start looking around

when you're just jamming, making sure the button ain't pushed? No, darling, because I'm too busy being inspired. Okay. Because it happens so quick for me, literally when Michael said, we need some dramatic here at the end. Before you could finish the Jeopardy theme song,

I find, you just go. Yeah. I get it. Okay. Oh, but it doesn't end there? What else you got? So now it's the dangerous.

Is it dangerous? It's dangerous. I think it's the dangerous album. I think it's the dangerous album. It's a dangerous album, and we're working on this one song, and Michael says, beautiful song, by the way, beautiful.

And he says, what I'm going to do here is I'm going to talk kind of like a monologue thing, and I just want something. I want some music underneath. In the closet? In the closet? He'll the world.

Ah. And I just need, so I need some music because it's going to be dramatic. And I'm going to talk through this thing at the end of it, you know. And so I just need some music. So I said, okay, no problem. Any takers? Well, he talks on Dangerous for Lou.

No, mama. Is it the, is it the rioting you so much? Wait, you can't even know. joke. I missed it. We didn't say I saw three behind

my wife I've ever your mom my mom shit is it um what was the

the is not he'll world that is not black or they'll be there what will you be there

bingo yeah oh at the end yeah thank you at the end which was double

with orchestra and choir thank you that is about another three minutes if I'm not mistaken somewhere of two three

missed out on that free willy money yeah so can I ask a question sure so can you explain to the listener who may not know that intricacies of of what your jobs were at these at these sessions so can you just

explain the difference like when when arranging becomes writing song writing and when when associate producing becomes composing I'd love to explain that, except there's such a fine line and such a slippery slope. It's kind of hard to define because I guess basically this is the equivalent of beauty

is in the eye of the beholder. Well, arranging's in the eye of who deems you an arranger as opposed to a songwriter, as opposed to just an arranger, as opposed to just a little keyboard player that we're going to give a check one time to and send him on his way because I want all the credit. Right. So ultimately those things come down to whether you are, going to stand up for it comes down to either whether you're going to stand up

and fight it or if it's mutually agreed yeah I'm mutually agreed in writing have you ever seen someone been like hey uh by the way and then they didn't get a callback like have you ever seen someone get blackballed or not used again or don't even mess with that guy he's he's a trouble

make yeah I nothing specific but is there is there a way to be ex-nade and blackballed from because you're in a sweet spot. You keep getting work and you keep getting work and you keep getting work and you keep like you're on I mean between

17 and 97 you're on everything. I know but I mean whenever I would try to raise a little dust I always got pushback I mean there was the time when what was it? It was triumph and and I was

I was I was I was classified as an associate producer. Well, wait, wait, wait, things went on and on and on and on and on, and things were fine until one day I show up to the studio and Bill Bray

standing outside the door. What? Don't need you today, Bubba. What? I'm like, what are you talking about? I got it going. Just don't need you today, Bubba. They just decided that I was done.

Wow. Because anymore they would have to pay you Did you say something the day before? No, no, no, no, I did nothing. The day before, I went into work, everything was fine. The next day I go and I'm barred. Yeah, sometimes people bar you because

they feel bad about what you've done to. No, no, no, no. They just decided they could take it over from there. And they did not need my assistance. You gave it their boost. Yeah, they didn't need my assistance anymore, so they just said, okay, you're done, bye. Can I ask, all right, so my question about triumph engineering-wise.

But I do have a positive punchline story to the end of what it just said. But no, you want to ask? Well, just the engineering of the triumph album sounds very flat to me as opposed to how wide-open destiny was. And I don't know why I really need you to tell me a really good engineering story of Bruce Whedian, what Bruce Whedian brought to off the wall. It's like, it almost, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, who did the same, were this, were the same, do you remember who mixed? I don't, I don't, but the same people were not involved. And I, I, I, I kind of understand

what you're saying sonically, but I just can't tell you why. I'm not, because I don't remember who was involved. So you weren't there for the overseeing of the mixing and none of that stuff. Oh, no. Side question Those sessions Sounded really fun Because they absolutely were It's almost to the point where I could tell

Almost what order was recorded Because some of them songs You did the majority of the count off You were over there, one, two, three, four And then some of them songs You guys sound like you were on your 50th beer I mean not that But just sound like

So what were the just the sessions like I mean I the best way I could describe it is fun every there was so much and how do you how do you learn this stuff like how does it come from

here's the cassette demo and da da da like do you get the cassette first and do you work out these full fleshed arrangements and how long well we would hear the demo in some form and then after I came up with the arrangement I would just we had charts I have a chart it's actually

my wife insisted that I frame the chart to blame it on the buggy and so it's over the piano in the house. So we had charts and I would just do a lot of the parts. But it was heck of fun. It was just so much fun, fun, fun.

I remember, and I think it was during the Destiny album, I remember being in the studio part and we were just, you know, there wasn't anything going on officially, just kind of different things happening at the same time. stuff going on. But I remember

hearing somebody playing drums, and it was really funky. It was just like this thing, and I remember peering around, and it was Michael. He could play drums? He could play drums. Oh, wow. What? Most people do not know this. But if you think about it, it made perfect sense, because, like, Sammy, yeah.

Yeah, he b-boxed. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so he could definitely play, and he was fun. And I only saw it one time, and it was like, wow. As a matter of fact, I'm here, there's a picture of an even younger Michael playing drums and I have it. Do you have it? I've seen that for me. Yeah. But no, I saw him for myself and it was

like, wow, I didn't see this coming. Oh my God. We didn't even get to like thrill her and off the wall. I'm waiting for the streets of fire and I'm not. Let me give you the positive punchline to all this negativity because

Lai is, as I was saying, what I lost in revenue I gained a relationship to the point where you know there was this one faithful evening where we were all together in this room backstage in this arena and we were all together outside of Michael I went to his room separately but I'm standing there with the brothers in a circle and I remember saying to them you know what never in my wildest dreams did I ever think after

you know listening to your records junior high school and watching your shows I never ever imagined in my life that I'd be standing in a room with all of you

as your music director getting ready to tell you to have a great show and it was backstage in Madison Square Garden and we were about to do the 30th anniversary shows and to go from that

point earlier in my life as a fan and having just fantasies about them and what it must be like to hang with them to actually be arm in arm with them in a huddle before we start the 30th anniversary shows. And I get to tell them to have a great one. I can't begin to tell you what that's like. That sense of balance in your system is amazing because at the same time it's like, here you are in that moment, but these are still the same guys. and made did a couple of shady things to you.

So you have to continue to be the bigger person and really just appreciate the moment and the bigger things that are yet to come. Well, thank you. All I can say is that, you know, the thing that won over everything else was love. And we all realized that we really do love each other. Wait, I'm not done the technical nerd questions.

Oh, by all means. We over here evoking emotion. Yeah, and you over here like, what microphone? Yeah, let me ruin this for a second. So we want to be starting something. Yeah. Are you playing the synth base, the line? Yep.

Now, was sequencing out then, or did you have to do that seven minutes in a row? No, I did it. There was tape looping? need a stiggin sequence. Come on, man. But look, dude, y'all, y'all were playing with a lindrum. So you're telling me for seven minutes, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-

Yeah, I'm telling you that. Seven minutes in a row, rope. Because I was just young and crazy like that. How many punches did you have to do? Not many. Dude. No, dude, because I graduated wonder you. Oh, well.

Oh, yeah. Okay, fair enough. It's like Jimmy Jam, when he said when he would play all the stuff from the 12-incersions. Yeah. Right. Straight through. And they went to the school of Prince, so. Yeah. I get it. Okay. That makes sense. No, I just, just

now I'm just thinking of all that, like, even, you didn't veer off into one ad lib on, shake your body down to the ground to like the last minute. No, that's not true. That's not true. You got, I, I, well, okay, there was so, I had, I had, I had, yeah, I had, but I, past it to that, to your point, yes, I definitely, I, I definitely paste it. Okay, you're right.

You did. You know, and another thing is, another example of that is, don't stop. I paste those leaks, too. I mean, I kept basically, oh, an even better example is Thriller. That's what I want to get to. Yeah. Oh, you already answered. You're not sequenced, so you're playing the stuff.

Oh, absolutely. How are you finding these patches? Because now that I, okay, now that the remixes are coming out. Yeah. thrill is almost borderline a pre-pre-pre-pre-cursor the EDM, at least with the patches that you're using. Like, how long do you, that's what I'm saying like.

Well, you know, we had lots of help as far as programming. We had guys like that were, we had Michael Boddickory. He was like on call. That was our go-to guy. And there were others. Was he more of a tech guy or an actual? A player? Because he was playing a player.

because he was playing on the Jackson store. He played. But he programmed better. But he, yeah, the strength, I would say, was the program. That was bread and butter. So, but was it a time as money atmosphere? So, okay, so we're in the studio right now. No. It was whatever it takes to get the rights out.

Okay, but what's the patience factor? Because it's like even, okay, so even the little, like, right before Vincent Price's rap thing. Mm-hmm. How long do you have to like, let me try this. Let me try this. Even with keyboards today, like, it takes me 20 minutes to decide,

and this stuff is already preset. What's the time? Like, what time do you have to think of something cool? You have mere minutes? No, there was no time. There was no. When it was right, then you do. Yeah, there was no consideration of time.

It's just like, Lily, I need this patch. Go. I need the sound, rather, go. And then it said, however long it took was however long it took. Are you playing on beat it? Yeah. What is that intro gong? What is that noise?

I could not tell you if you had me a gunpoint. It's a, oh, God. I saw a YouTube video. It's obviously an old synthesizer. And they were going through the presets on it, and that was one of them. Really? Yeah. Not synchlavi?

I can't remember. I can't remember. It's been a while since. I saw that video. Okay. No, I have no idea, bro. What was that?

Human nature is that, Paige and all those cats? Yeah, that's Steve Piccaro. Okay. They didn't need me for that. It's my man, Steve Procaro. You know the story about that song, right? Yeah, yeah.

Quincy, yeah. Quincy, Rod. listening to cassettes ad nauseum, and then they're, like, falling asleep and stuff, and it's the end of a... Yeah, auto-reverse, and then, you know, and they're, like, in a... semi-sleep state and I was in, what is that?

The rest is history. It was this in clavier, by the way. Okay. Yeah, I kind of remember that now, yeah. It's clavier, too. Okay, 100 Ways is one of our favorite solos. Really? Oh my gosh, you guys.

You're not going to understand it. Wow. But in hip-hop terms. Really? That's all I can say. Yes. It's been chopped lovely to the point where like almost every line of that thing is the solo. Yeah.

It means the world to us. It was done in an ironic. I think it was done in a very ironic way, but it just stops. You might as well play it. I mean, it's, you know, it's. Yeah. I mean, the song's been out for forever. Yeah.

Wait, what's the title of it? Rhyms. Rhymes like dimes. Yeah. This is Jesus Christ. Really? Yeah, yo, y'all can't stand right here In his right hand was your man's worst nightmare

Not enough to burst his right ear drum close range The game is not only dangerous But it's the most strange I sell rhymes like times The one who's you keep ass I'm like about the broker time Joking rhymes like the is you just have me to see me trick Classical slapstick rapists be chapsed

A lot of them sound like they in a talent show So I give them something to remember like the alamo Tallyho a high joker like Spade's game Came back for five years later lane I mean what do you say? My jaw is dropped. This has never heard this before. The song is near 20 years old.

What? See, that's the thing. I've never heard this. My first time hearing this. 100 ways means something totally different. To us. Like, initially it was like, yeah, that's mom and dad's song

or like, yeah, easy, easy to, no, but he turned. Well, not with that. Yeah. But he turned. And even when I heard it, I was like, yo, I'd never ever thought that this could be chopped. Yeah.

That's a crazy person who did that. Yeah. That's a whole lot of time on there. Who actually did that? Who actually produced that? MF Doom. MF Doom, you're a crazy guy. They're crazy, bro.

He is. Well, did Quincy tell you the story of that solo? He told you, like, he woke you up out of your sleep. Yeah. It was during the time of assembly line sessions. And when you went to work for Quincy, you knew two things. no you knew three things A, it was going to be fun

B, you were going to eat well And C, you never knew how long You were going to be So I mean, it's no o'clock in the morning, man And I had done some other stuff And at this point, I'm asleep under a piano Somebody came in and woke me up and said, All right, you're up again.

I know, okay, in my stupor, you know, I stumble up to the thing and it's a mini-mug and Quinty says, right, so this is 100 ways and we need a solo, go. Wow. That's how I was. Does he play you the full, does he play you the full song at least before you? Well, yeah, I mean, they play, yeah, they played the song and I'm like, okay. So what you hear in that solo, like 90% of it was the first take and I only did,

so you know da-ba-de-da-da-da-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ha-a-da- and then I only did like a couple of takes to finish it but up until that point that's the first take and and Quincy to this day says it's his favorite solo of mine because it was done in the what he calls the alpha state or what's known as the alpha state because you know only he can like be scientific with it

I was asleep but you know, He said, no, dude, it's the Alpha State, Alpha State, because you weren't thinking. Dude. Do you all know about this? There's a scientist that there's a scientist that did a research on her students, on her students in which she would do pop quizzes on her 7am class versus prepared test advance notice to her smarter class at 12 in the afternoon. And the pop quiz. The 7 a.m. class will win. They did better.

Because it's almost like... We overthink. There's a middle ground of not preparing and over preparing and overthinking. Yeah. And the genius zone is always in the middle where it's just like... Yeah. No, that's... And Quincy lives for that.

So does Questlove Supreme. Yeah. He thrive. His goal is to be in that state constantly. Wow. And so that's where I was. And again, it only took like three takes or so for me to finish it. But that whip, weep, weep, that's just the first thing that came out.

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I have a question about the bad album. Yeah. And I guess I shared this theory in the documentary. It's what I call the Brace Yourself moment, which you're a big part of like all these songs have to start with this stab from hell, this chord. well not even that i mean that's probably easy patch but like you know like dirty diana's and that like by this point are they telling you okay great every song on this album we need well no because that really wasn't me um that wasn't no um those examples you started like with um I'm not on Dirty Diana.

Oh. I'm not on that at all. Another part of me? Actually, I'm not on that either. Speed Demon? You know, the way you make me feel? I'm on the way you make me feel. I'm not on Speed Demon, unfortunately.

That's Jerry Hay. That's crazy, Jerry Hay, with those horns, those horn, the horn. And that's what made the song, you know that. Yes, yes. That's the whole, that's, that's a whole, that's, and so Jerry had to get tightened up for that. Ah.

Because, you know, Michael was a little, you know, slow on that. And it was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. There would be no speed demon without that horn arrangement. So you're going to tighten up, Jerry. But I am on the way it made me feel. And my favorite memory of that is, you know, because I played the string parts. Right?

So what I remember is doing that and having Michael standing next to me going, five minutes. with me because I'm like, and he's like, neck moving. Dude, that was fun. How big is his,

his snaps? Dude, he had the big, I know he had these big ass hands. And his snaps sound like clave's, don't they? Yes. Because you think it's clave is on the bridge of,

uh, rock with you? Yeah, but it's not. No. And when the group. That's his fingers. I thought that was clave.

Nope. It's his fingers. Wait, can I ask for, for rock with you. Yeah. Who? Well, I guess I should have asked Quincy instead.

That horn intro? Oh, the one that got removed. Why did they take that away? It doesn't make sense to me. What horn intro? There's a horn intro to rock with you that got mixed out. See, here's the thing that I love about off the wall.

Well, I certainly don't remember that. I'll play for you off the record. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that I discover about. with Thriller and Off the Wall is that a lot of this stuff is I can tell that at least what I assume the relationship between Michael and Quincy is let's try every idea out and then you're going to trust me to pull this away and this way and this way and edit this and edit that so there are

a lot of elements on those albums that had they been there oh god it would have been like the worst dated disco album of all right. all time or, you know, is that crazy. One slight misstep. So I applaud Quincy for knowing what to pull away. Yeah. But there's just,

uh, there's just moments of, okay, so I'm thinking that you were there on the ground floor of the horn intro instead of just the naked. Boom. But, but do you know,

because what I remember about that was Quincy saying to, um, J.R. I want to have a drum lake that's going to live in infamy. I want to have a drum like that, that kids are going to remember, you know, a hundred years from now. And so he came over

with it. That was that. Bad question. Please tell me that by this time you went on the tour and you and Ricky were back together. Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. How did Ricky get that gig and not Jonathan Moffat? Because you were the MD?

Because I thought like Jonathan would have been the Jackson's drummer for life. Yeah, you'd think that. So how did Ricky get it? Well, Ricky also had the victory tour, right? No. No, that was Jonathan on a victory. Okay. Ricky did bad and dangerous. But you did?

Yeah, with Cheryl Crow? Oh my, and what were you three? Yes. Yes, yes, I was. You just made this woman's life. Yes, I was. You couldn't have been more than five. I don't like ten.

A tail, please. Okay, so still. I still have stocks older than you, please. And so I don't remember to be honest Because even though You know he made me the MD And that whole process was so weird There were other people hiring people

So I didn't really hire everybody So I didn't hire the whole band I mean there are certain people that were chosen Before I was even asked How did you present that show Without the out of the age Pro Tools, you know, because the bad tool. Oh, oh, well, that's easy.

We just had, we just had, like, was it two, or at least two full-blown sync claviers. Ooh, damn. And back then, that was a lot of money with them. Yeah, like, oh, yeah. No, he, it was like whatever, by any means necessary. I mean, the money was no object, and so we had like two full-blown. Well, yeah, I mean, that, because that was his first real tool.

To handle the, you know, the extra tracks. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Damn. Man, what was it like when Cheryl Crowe came into the picture for that tour? Like what was, what did she bring to the table? Whiteness? Sorry.

Because she wasn't the one with the lights in her hair. No. No, that was Jennifer Badden. She was the guitarist. You know, you ask a very loaded question, my young friend. Okay. Is that what Saeed is gig first? No, she was after.

Okay. That was, Sadie did dangerous. Cheryl did bad. I would say that the thing that Cheryl brought the most was... Oh. Oh, Steve is walking out. The silence. The silence here.

Is this a hot topic that we should... Something I said, Steve? The white person about to get single No, what she brought was A secret love affair Okay Oh Here in my garden

Oh Who Well, between two people And I was the other one Oh Oh Yeah Oh

Yes, Greg am, Cam, like, yeah, you can sniff. No, that was Fonte's question. Yeah, that was Fonte. Oh, my fault. You know, Fonte on the cup of shade.

What you got to say, Fonte? Perfect question, take. Nah, ma'am. Hey, listen. I guess. I was asking question. I guess you didn't see that coming, eh? Nope.

Well, Steve, you missed out. Wow, wow, wow. Steve's probably in the control room right now. Wow. Yeah. That's what happened. Man. Good for you.

No, I wasn't good because I was married. Laya. He said secret lover fair. Okay. That's the thing. How can you be... Yes, I was bad.

Okay. So explain... Not just a tour, darling. I was bad. Explain that... It wasn't just the name of a tour. Yeah. How can...

How can one... Can one be a working musician and have domestic normalcy? I mean, if you're doing, doing the Michael Jackson Bad Tour are, you know, what about the kids at home for it? Not just you, just like the bass player

or the lighting coordinator. Like you guys were going from from 87 to the top of January 89. No, understand. We ruined the world. Understand that. Yes. But were girls flinging themselves over all of us? Not over all of us.

And I was in that group. I wasn't getting. girls flung at me, you know, because a lot of people just assume, oh my God, you must have had it chipping out of your ears. And I, it, no, no, that did not happen to me. I, I didn't mean it from that perspective, but I just meant like, if you have a relationship at home, like, if your college professor, wife is at home. No, it's very, very difficult, and you better bring him out at some point. Or, like, would Michael allow, like, would he chartered jet for families to come and visit? No, no, no, he didn't do that, but he did welcome families. He was

into that. And, you know, several of us, including me, brought our families out at different points. I mean, and, you know, Michael, you know, one of the singers, Dorian Holly brought his little Niana, and she spent a lot of time on the road with us, and, you know, Ricky brought his kids and his wife. I brought mine out. It was great in that way. Didn't help. Well, it's not in my case. And yeah, no, I mean, I remember when we, when we were in Tokyo, and he arranged for us to all go to Disneyland. Wow. Is it just John? We shut down the park, baby, and it was us.

And you haven't lived until you've been to Disneyland with the head Mickey. And a matter of fact, I used to call him Mickey, and he would answer to that, too. But, no, he, it was great. And so, yes, he loved, you know, the family's hanging and all that. But to answer the question, yeah, you needed to have, you couldn't sustain a tour like that and never see your spouse or your family at any point. You had to have him join you. It's easier now with FaceTime and all that stuff.

Oh, absolutely. Back then, it was like. No, it was rough. No, but it's like going, like, it's a rap. Yeah. It's like you're going to do a bid. Yeah. You're going, like you're doing a, you're in the military.

Yeah. It's like, you're gone. I would have been Valerie Simpson. Wait a minute. We did not even ask about behind the mask. Oh, yeah. Behind the mask. Yeah.

So I was working on my second solo album while working on. The pulse? Yeah. While we were also doing, um, oh my God. Wait a minute. We're just all over the place. We are because we are. Remind me.

to remind you that. Michael did right by you. Oh, for cancelor down? Never mind. No, no, well, he did, basically, yeah. He did. Well, he did better to me than Michael did, that's for sure. Right.

Or did you do all night long and... No, no, no, no, no. Here, let me give you Love will find a way. No, no, he actually did all night long by himself. But I did level find a level of find a way and Love will conquer all. Yes, he did. Ah, okay. The two best song, man.

And I, thank you very much. And a crazy video. Yeah. And I did get, you know, credit and checks for that. Who sang on Love or Conqueror? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, crap. I can't remember her name right now. I see her face and I can't remember her name.

Oh, look at that. I always thought that was his take on the Al Green song. Like, that was Love of Conquerau. Interesting. No. That's what it sounds. It might sound like that. Well, yeah, I didn't really good.

Because I, well, I tell you what, I wasn't, well, not really, because I wasn't, I wasn't thinking of that. Okay. That wasn't my experience. That song is so good. That's interesting that you, because I wasn't thinking of that at all. Oh, wow, okay. Marva King. That's Marva King?

Marva, thank you. Princess Marva King? Well, well, later on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I keep getting her and Marva Hicks confused. Okay. She was James Brown, right? No, that was Marley, it was Marlittany.

Yeah. A lot of marvels. Nice here to join it, Steve. Thanks. You missed it, Steve. It was, you missed it. It was a good news. It wasn't bad news.

Well, you'll hear the replay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. Yeah. Yeah. So Lionel did do right to her by me. Okay. You worked on his first solo album, right?

Yeah. And that was where I first saw your name. When I was like four. That's crazy. You left during the Lionel Ritchie portion. That's all he lives for, the first one, the first Lionel Ritchie,

you are, you're on that. You don't have the questions. You got to sit for a second. The intro to you are. No, we're in so serious. No, first of all, I'm not on that. But what you sound like right now is. It was like, was like,

Are you out of that? Okay. Don't come back if you leave. But you sound like that, what was like, what about my love? No, some kind of movie was like

the guy goes, no, it was like an S&L. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. You know, the thing that you did.

That was cool. Yeah. That was a mirror when we first started the show. Okay, thank you. But yeah, serves you right. That was,

that was Mr. Filming. What about my love? Oh, yeah, and I wrote that with. Serge Wright? Very mysterious John McLean, yes. Oh, wow.

The executive John McLean. Wow. So, oh, my God. There's some more John McLean credits that I've seen, and I didn't think that was him. He was the songwriter first? Well, we... Oh, wait a minute. You didn't get credit for Surgery rate.

Oh, I got a story about me and John. Hit me. Well, John, who I love dearly. Let me just start out by saying that. Let me just say that right now. I do love him dearly. I really do. He's the kind of guy that you'll never get to love

because he just doesn't allow it. But I love him. And we spent a lot of time together in 79. And the early 80s, we spent a lot of time together. And I had this dream, we had this dream of forming a band. that would be called PM. And never, yeah, and never happened. He's in Detroit?

No, it's from here. But we hooked up somehow and he was the first guy that sounded like Prince before Prince. That's how he played guitar. That John McLean? Yep. Man. Yep, that John McLean.

We got to fire this motherfucker. Well, if you do, You will win the ultimate prize. We're going for him. It's just we can't find him. And you know what? Sorry to say, but you probably won't. Really?

Yeah, he's that mysterious. You know what? You can Google anybody on the planet. Yeah, I was like, I can't even, if he walked in right now, I wouldn't know. I've never seen what he hits like. You can't Google. I imagine that he looks like Stoney Jackson. I found an old picture of him, but yeah.

No. Is it a brother? Is he? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's a black guy. Damn.

But don't. You can't find him. Wow. Damn, so he Medinaized his way into the industry as an executive. The same way that Benny Medina was a musician before. Oh, he was an Apollo, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's Benny Medina, Lord.

Yeah. It's funny. A lot. But, no, actually. It's good. Actually, John was a little more legitimate. But anyway. We need a theme for it, Greg.

Yeah, you do. You do. Or maybe I'll just come up with my own. I'll just do a couple of spots for you. But anyway, don't be teasing us now. Don't write a check cash can't cash. Kill on now.

You can't pay for it. You might be surprised. Anyway, so. Evan. Yes. So you all had a group called P.M. No, we had the dream. We had the idea of a,

a group, but it never came to fruition. What projects? What? Okay. But you know what we did work on together? What? A TV series. The name of the producer escapes me right now. But the show is called The Righteous Apples.

Oh, my God. How about that? The righteous, yeah, they did a cover of, let it go. But let the love out of your heart. It was a Page's joint, originally, Richard Page. did the joint and then they did a cover of it the righteous apples it was like they were like a high school yes was this

was Cindy Aaron from No but I'm trying to think of the name of the creator and the writer And I can't for the life of me right now Black guy where he wore What channel? PBS thing And we wrote and produced songs for that show

Like Rollerella? Yeah As a matter of fact I'm looking at the IMDB page right now Yeah and we'll just continue That's more I'm not. Is there another song called

It Feels Like the First Time? It doesn't listen. Just this one. Okay. But yeah. But yeah, we did that. And that was the crony Jackson was in it. Stony Jackson was in it.

Stony Jackson. Yes, he was. But John doesn't look like Stoney. And Ernest Thomas. Wow. Isn't that crazy? Ernest once thought I was Common's bodyguard. That's hysterical.

That broke my heart, man. That's hysterical. What? That's funny. It was Topper Carew. Top, thank you, Topper Caroo. Who went on to do with Martin. Martin, yeah.

Thank you. Wow. Yes. That was my introduction to Topper. That was the first thing that you scored or like for television? I think it was the only thing. Okay. So Michael Anderson was on that?

Sorry. Really? He was on an episode, yeah. He was? I guess as a drama. Just as a member of the band. Not as like a speaker. I wouldn't call.

Well, I guess you. call it a drama store of yeah I guess Michael Henderson in it what year 80 and 81 he was on oh that's the cocaine Michael Henderson years Oh that's my last time

Bring this shit down to a whisper Can you please break it down Have you ever heard of Michael Henderson's Rant Drunken Rant in Japan No He's a classic Oh my God It's the best thing

Best thing in life Just Google I'm not breaking it down for nobody. I'm not backing it up. Michael Henderson. Oh, wow.

Curtis Mayfield. They're trying to, they're trying to kill Curtis. Like, he's just drunk and he's playing in front of feels like he's performing for an audience of 14. And you can hear people

like, because he's responding to people. Oh, you're going to leave, baby? Oh, that's okay. That's all right. Yeah. People walking out. And they just like, just sing your song. No, baby.

I'm ready. What year is this? It has to be 84. Why is not wasting any time? It has to be 84. And, like, Norman, I think Norman Conner's his drumming. But he takes, it's a seven-minute build-up to sing going places. Yeah.

And when he... Looking around and drink. It's a very special person. Like, I did, I was like, damn. It's like, he gets into the verse before you realize it's going places. Right. Because it sounds nothing. I'm like, oh, that's what he's seen.

His son, his son lives in Philly and keeps taking it off of YouTube. Yeah, because I can't find it right now. Wow. But someone keeps, what are there? It's messed up. I got it on. I got the Nip3. That shit ain't going nowhere.

Have you ever seen a version where they made a video to it? Stone's throw made. Stone's throw did like an animated. An animated clip to show. Oh, no. It's the best thing on earth. Take me a motherfucker's yours right. Motherfucking.

Not. He goes into the next song Oh, this sounds better than Ray Charles Is it sounds better than Buddy Riches It sounds better than Freddie Hubbard Oh, I heard about the Fred Hill I've heard that one Pass those three

Really? Pass those three Because they're cursing people out But this is just like He's just like Right Which one is the Ray? Where is he cussing people about that?

Oh someone interrupts Ditt do Dut do Dut do There's a scuffle between him And the drummer at the time I think it was not Bernard, but... I thought it was Fathead.

Fathead was a sex player. Yeah, Fathead was a sex player, but it was a scuffle between him and the drummer, and the drummer walked off. He said, that's all right. All right, no, no, it's all right. It went, it went, it was... Oh, that one?

Okay, he's doing busted. I have a version of him doing busted. Okay. And then someone gets on the stage, it's like, you a dog! You a dog! And Ray's just like, bless your heart. Bless your heart.

You were nothing but a day. Oh, it's a woman. She didn't, no, a guy, basically, like, Ray must have did something wrong to a woman either slept with his wife or something. Oh. He said, you ain't nothing but a dog. Bless your heart.

Can someone please get this gentleman out of the state leave? You ain't nothing but a dirty dog. You are dog. And then they take him off, and then, like, you hear him walking, like, crash cuts out. Oh, yeah.

See him walking out. And then so, all right, all right, let's all the song. like nothing happened. But yes, it's up there. But no, Michael Henderson. Oh, Bray Huber loses his shit. That's the name of it.

Yeah. Yeah. So listen. So listen, what, I know you have a billion of these. What three songs did you say no to that you could have been on? Like, did you only stay in the winter circle, Michael, Lionel, Stevie? The only example I have of that is a song that I was originally asked to over-deb on piano.

And I was very full of myself. Oh, no. And I went and did the session, but I mean, I was full of myself musically. and I thought, like, whatever I played would be great, and it wasn't, because they just wanted something, they just wanted the changes in the rhythm that it was in. And I was overplaying. I overplayed, and I overplayed my way out of the session,

and I regret that because I really love this song, and it's one of my favorites from George Benson is, turn your love around. How do you, they just wanted you to play the piano line? They just wanted, Dund, do, do, do. But I was playing, I was playing, I was playing,

I was just overplaying, you know. And I, and I, I, I, I agree to ask you to just play simple? I guess. They just said, well, it's not, okay, thanks. And then the next thing I know, somebody else was on it. But, so, yeah, but I remember being asked to play on it, but I just, I didn't, I didn't play it right, you know.

And I could have. And I would. Even at that point, I was definitely more trained because of all the other years of doing sessions. And I just should have known better, but I overplayed that. Were you formally trained how to play me? We didn't talk about that. Were you formally, like, you know how to read or was it just about here? No, I started playing by ear at, well, my mom says, legend has it two.

I started playing by her at round two. But then I started taking lessons at around six. And so I did have formal training. And I had three teachers, and the third one was the most influential and the most effective. And he was the pianist with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. And his name was Misha Kotler, and he was a badass. He didn't take any mess. And, you know, I needed discipline because I was running over my last teacher because I thought I was hot,

Snott and knew everything. And I left his house crying many times because he just, he was this Russian, you know, like Polish. And he was, you know, very much. very strict and took no mess, you know. But it's the discipline I need it. That's what's what I. Wait, did Luciferthor did. Quinti, who turned your lover, around?

He actually, I think he might have been one of the producers. I think, I'm not sure. But. But it wasn't Quincy, though, right? No, no, no, no. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. What have you played on that we might not know?

Like, Jay Graydon did turn your love around. Thank you. That was Jay Green? Really? Yeah. Wow. So weird. Yeah.

What have I played on in a minute? This is a hard question for you because you know everything. I mean, like, you know, did you suffer, you know, are you on the heat is on by Glenn Fry or? No. You're playing on. I can't tell you why. I wish. I wish.

That's really me playing on. Yeah. Yeah. No. I can't even think of anything. You did a flowetry remix? Is that for real? A flow of reex?

Yeah. Or is discogs lying to me right now? I did a floor tree? Yeah, they're lying. Oh, they did the remix. I didn't. They gave you credit. Really?

Oh, okay. Outside of the... Wait a minute. What? Oh, I'm so glad this came to me. It's going to kill me. What? I got to go back to Triumph.

Okay. Explain, you said this to me once and I didn't know. Okay, so help me out here, guys. Dilla Lightworks. Raymond Scott. There you go. Okay. on your ways on triumph

I was going to ask about that actually Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you said was that the exact What's going on like well I don't know about that But I know that the instrument used was A Melatron Yeah But the same one did you tell me that that was the same exact one That Marmy used on

What's going on? Oh I don't think so. I couldn't possibly know that. Okay. No, but I know what someone told me, okay, someone said like that either Randy, like Marvin had it, or that Barry had especially made. Well, yeah, Barry had, uh, do you know the story of Motown that Raymond Scott had built, had convinced Barry Gordy to purchase two of his, his version of Tonto. And this, and he ordered two of them. And then I think mid-second, one they just discontinued the production.

He was like, no, never mind. What year was this? 70, 69-7. Because I'm wondering if these instruments that you're talking about, if they were used in these incredible ways for songs like reflections. Because I defy anybody to tell me what the hell.

all that sound is in the opening of Blumph-hmm. Whatever that is. And then they use something else later on like, who-whoop, who-whoop, who-whoop, you know, in these random places in the song, which is brilliant,

but I have no idea what it is. Here it is. Okay, so, yeah, in 1969, Barry Gordy tipped off about a mad musical scientist engaged in mysterious works. Wow. Visited Scott at his Long Island

Lab to witness the, Electronium. That's what he called it. Electronium. Wow. Yeah. And all of its infinite possibilities. And Gordy hired Scott and 71 to serve as director of Motown's electronic music and research department in Los Angeles. Wow. And, oh, a position Scott held until 1977. Really?

Wow. No Motown recordings using Scott's electronic inventions have been publicly identified. Well, sad as that. But yeah, he originally, someone says that, he, he said, he. He originally started working on the electronium out of Barry's house. They set up a room over the garages, and he worked there putting stuff together so Barry could get involved and see the progress. And at one point, worked out of the studio. The unit never got finalized, and Ray had a real problem letting go.

It was always being developed. And that was a problem for Barry. You know what? What do you think it probably sounded like crap? It was a wasted $700,000. What do you think? It probably just wasn't good. Yeah.

Do you have a We Are the World question, Steve? Yeah, I mean, I didn't even put it together in my head that that was you on that. Just, you know, is your name on the cover there, 45? No, not the cat, no, that's just the artist. But I did play piano on it. Well, you're the artist, one of the artists then. What happened there? No, I wasn't, no.

It's not on the cover? No, no, no, no, no. No. No. Ever since you walked out, They haven't been the same. It really happened. I don't know what.

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And maybe it's the same person, but who is the artist that you really? really ran to the studio outside of, of course, Stevie Jackson's, Lionel, that you ran to the studio to work with because you were so excited. And who was the artist that you ran on tour to be with? Nobody. So excited. Is anybody? Well, as far as touring, you know, there was a time when I toured with a beetle. Okay.

Which one? The ring? Nope. Ring. This other guy that I was touring with, I was in his band. And we already had a set thing going. And then that artist managed to convince George to tour with us. And he said, you can use my band.

And so it was the Eric Clapton and George Harrison Tour of Japan. And you haven't lived until you've toured with a beetle. Jesus Christ. It didn't suck. And we go to, here's a crazy thing. We go to Tokyo. And of course, George was absolutely lovely. Beautiful human being.

We go to Tokyo. and we're all terribly excited. And we're in the hotel. It's called the Capitol Tokyo Hotel. We're in Georgia's room. TV's on. And they're playing footage of, I mean, they're announcing obviously that George is in town,

but they're playing footage of when the Beatles pulled up to the exact same hotel we're staying in. So now I'm in a room, I'm in a suite with a beetle watching footage of when his band pulled up to the same hotel we're in. Like, okay, just kind of take this in. And so we toured around, it was great. And then another George story, which I always love to tell.

It was the second time I went to visit him at his home. And he opens the door and he's in cornrows. Who's that? George Harrison. George Harrison was in Cornwallis. I'm sure you not. Okay. He opened it through and I go, well, I didn't see this coming, George.

He's like, what do you think? What do you? I said, first of all, how did you even get your hair in Cornrose? Where is the black girl hiding? Okay. How did that work? But he was in Coroner. I wish I took a picture of him.

But so we're hanging out. And then he goes, do you want to hear the new song then? I go. Okay. We go up to the bedroom, plays the thing, and I got my private world premiere of free. As a bird. Wow. As a bird.

And I'm sitting there, and I'm absolutely transfixed and mesmerized. I can't believe that I'm, first of all, sitting in the bedroom of a beetle listening to the last song, all the Beatles did. Damn, man. And I'm sitting there and chills are running up and down my spot. First of all, I'm getting chills even talking about this right now, but I'm sitting there and I'm just trying to take all this and I'm going, I'm going, I'm in a room with George, I'm going. But, yeah.

Okay, on the heels of that question, you also, you also MDDed a lot of specials and award shows. What was your, what was one of your favorite experiences with that? P.S., I really enjoyed watching you because you were always so amy. Thank you. Well. What was your first one that you did? Like, your first awards that you.

Oh, my goodness. I don't know. The first award show that I em-Ded, wow, I don't know. I'd have to research that. I don't know. Awesome life. Awesome life. Damn, so Ricky Minor wasn't born

with that baton in his hand? He just... Okay, here you go. I'll just play it, Ricky. I love to. Thank you. But no, no, I don't remember. But I'll tell you what the...

Pretty much the best one was. It was based off of how I got started. it. The Jackson special did no you said how you got started so I got started so

I was thinking of the Detroit Symphony thing Stevie yeah what Stevie Songs in the key of life it was a Grammy

tribute I am dated that's right and you want an Emmy I want an Emmy yeah so that's why that's the best one

so you're a G an egg Yeah. So the second best one is probably the Jackson's 30th anniversary at the garden because, I mean, this is the Jackson's 30th anniversary in the garden. It's, I think, they know. Slight, all right, question. Yeah.

Since that night was so vivid and that day after was so memorable. Yeah. How did you? And by the way, this was based off of, because we did two shows. I know. I'm going to ask you about that second show. Okay. How did you get out of New York City?

Right. Well, it wasn't by plane. Yeah. First of all, nothing was happening the day of, the day after. We might want to tell everybody what that day was. It was September 11, 2001. Yeah. And that was after the second show, which was September 10th, and the first show, which was the 8th.

Because it was a break in between, I think, because of the circus. But the first show was September 8th. The second show was September 10th. and I remember after that show, just, you know, having more of a private celebration, you know, dinner with a buddy of mine at the time and had like, you know, just kind of a celebratory dinner and everything was great. And then my wife at the time, the next morning, you know, we, we slept in late because, you know, we had such a great night. So we slept in late and I had this plan. I had two plans that I wanted to do. I wanted to go to Central Park and take my wife on a canoe ride.

And I also wanted to go to my favorite place, my favorite restaurant for lunch, which is a restaurant called La Bill Bouquet. And so I called the restaurant after I woke up because I wanted to make reservations. I called and said, yeah, what's going on? and go, I said, I'd like to, you know, come to the spot today. And the person said, today's not a good day. Said, why? So I said, it's not a good day. People are crying.

It's terrible. It's not a good day. I go, what are you talking about? The person went, have you seen the news? I go, no. Said, you might want to turn the TV on right now. That's how we find out. Damn.

And then. after the initial shock, which took a long time to get over, then we started smelling smoke. And by the way, I was staying... One hotel, yeah. I was staying at the Plaza Athene, way, way uptown.

And you could smell the smoke there. Damn. The producer of the show, David Guest, was very good to me, though, because he let me stay at the Plaza Athenay until the end of the week, or until I could get a way out.

And so what happened was, we kept trying by flights, and it was very, very, very difficult. Frida Payne, I remember, was one of the lucky ones. She got out on a plane. Came to find out later on that Michael... That car ride with Elizabeth Taylor. Yeah, he went in.

That was a whole long... That was real? Wow. He did that. But I didn't know how... Have you heard about that? The cross country that they made a movie about? Yeah, with Elizabeth Taylor.

And I watch his name, Marlon Brando. Yeah, I didn't know that one. I don't know. Yeah, because I didn't know that. at the time, and I didn't know how the rest of the brothers made out, I didn't know how anybody else got out. But me and my wife, at that time, we couldn't get a plane out. So we just decided at the end of that week, that Saturday that we'd rent a car. So we drove over to, we went over to Jersey and got a Hertz rent-a-car and we drove cross-country. And it was part of like a

mini, mini-cavalcade because Cheryl Lynn was with us. Oh, man. Yeah. Strange bedfellas. Yeah, she and her cousin, or her manager, actually, we drove, we didn't drive all the other, but we drove like, you know, in separate cars, and we drove cross-country all the way back. And we stopped in St. Louis where her manager's mom lived.

And was it St. Louis? I'm pretty sure it was St. Louis. We stopped there, and we made a couple other stops, and we drove all the way. And that was the first and only time I ever drove cross-country. and I never imagined it would be for that reason. Shit.

That's crazy. No traffic. No traffic. It was eerily calm and still. There's no traffic. And I remember hearing them play this particular song a lot during our cross-country ride, and it was a song by Enya. Sail away?

No. That is not the right. No. Radio changed, like, for that for, like, two weeks. No. They only play, like, imagine. There was a whole no songs, or the no playlist. Yeah.

Which is why I OD'd on the blueprint. Yeah. Because it came up that day. Yeah. Yeah. It's, ooh, man. Can you, do you remember, I'm sure you remember, can you take us through where you were when you got the dudes about Mike?

Yes. I was in Beverly Hills. and I was I just dropped off a watch to get repaired and my wife at that time called me and said, did you hear about Michael?

I go, what are you talking about? I heard the news and I just you knew. I was in shock, you know, I was just, you know. And yet, I wasn't. And, And what I really remember after that is going through the preparations with Randy.

Because Randy brought me in and he wanted me to help out with the memorial. And then we had a meeting at Ken Ehrlich's house, Randy, Ken and I. And we started talking things, you know, talking things through. you know, artists and so forth. And I remember thinking, well, it would be really nice if Steve sang I never dreamed he'd leave in summer, which was deeply poetic because he did leave us in summer. And I remember going to, I remember having private meetings, you know, with Randy.

And I remember going down to L.A. Live. And it was the only time that I was in. the LA Live executive building, you know, where all the offices were. And I remember having, we had this meeting with Randy and Ken and, and, um, uh, Simon, what's Simon's first name? Um, who, no, as Sideman, um, he, he's, Zidman, he's, he's the, uh, he's the, uh, he basically runs, he basically runs LA Live, Staples Center, and Microsoft Center. Lee, Lee Zidman, and

LaiWiki wasn't there at that time, I don't think. But there were other executives. And we, you know, we were discussing everything like, you know, how many tickets for family, how many tickets for VIPs, all this kind of stuff, everything, you know. And then I remember meeting at State. with the brothers in a backstage room. And it was me and the brothers,

Kenner, like Valdez Flag, legendary stage manager, and maybe one other person, and we were just all sitting there. And at different points, you know, one of the brothers would cry. It was really, really heavy. And I remember also taking the walk through the underground tunnel from the staples to what is now Microsoft Center because there's this underground tunnel that connects

to two because it was built that way for you know just as a cool thing for any artists that wanted to do double duty or whatever easy access you know and so we walked this underground tunnel from staples to um it was a different name then but whatever but so we go there and that was designed for the family to leave staples to go to Microsoft Center for the overflow of people who couldn't get in the staples. It was designed for the, so the family was going to go. The original idea was that the family was going to go and thank them, but they didn't do it. They didn't do it.

We did a practice walk, but after it actually happened, they didn't do it. They didn't do it because it was like enough already. It was like everything that went on. and so yeah it was very heavy and I remember I remember having a very very private moment with Marlin at Havenhurst and him you know we talked and and you know he cried on my shoulder you know very very difficult but you know but I also remember you know at Staples when we were there going through things that Barry came over and we all took pictures together

Barry and the brothers and me and just all kinds of memories you know how can one how can one be creative in a time like that because you know you have to go over arrangements and okay Mariah what key do you want to sing in and da-da-da-da-da and you know

call up musicians and background sound check you know what you just do you just do man I mean I you know one thing Erlick is really good at is just forging through no matter what because he's had to in all kinds of he's had he's been hit

with all kinds of last minute things like you know they were rehearsing the day of the Grammy's the Grammy thing where you know thank you thank you God yeah I was there were you the MD I think I was I know I was there dude I know I was there

so you talk about you talk about having to change on the fly Wow. And what was it? The back story was that the Chris Brown, Rihanna thing just happened. And that was the year they decided to let artists double up on things. So Timberlake had like two or three songs. And Chris Brown had two or three songs.

And Rihanna had two or three songs. And it was going to be like the first mashup thing of duets and multiple songs. But without Chris Brown and Rihanna there, there was like space for five songs. And I'd never. Two things happened that day, which is the most surreal shit I've ever seen in my life. one Ehrlich and his whole crew literally now it's about let's say an hour 15 minutes until they realize that Brown and Rihanna are no-shelf

so they're just scouring up the Scrabbling boys to men can you sing let's say together Al Green can you do no no no they're just grabbing people in the audience like this like this we need a four minutes song that so that whole thing of like boys to men singing let's stay together yeah Justin and all that stuff No, that shit was playing.

No, no. The superstition thing with Stevie Wonder, with the Jonas Brothers and Steve. No, that shit was playing. But wait, here's the other funny thing. So the cold play controversy with Joe Satriani. Oh, yeah, where they hit Jack the Viva La Vita joint. So they had been running away from getting their summons

from Satriana's people for like two months. So he had a plan. That's how they got. He had a plan. He's like, yo, I'm going to get the motherfuckers at the Grammys. When I tell you, you remember them old Keystone caper things where like you watch the cops. Yeah, like the cops went in this room.

That's exactly what happened. That's funny. So you had the people running this way to serve the papers and then Cole played running this way. It was like you could have put fly the bumblebee to the shit I saw. Really? Just And to top it

Oh God, I don't know if I should We'll edit it out if we need to No, just No, I said all my stuff No, it's just The end of the night You know, like artists are like very I think like a cat like an oasis

You know those guys like I don't care about the Grammy Like fuck the Grammy's and that sort of thing But Tom York took losing to cold play very very hard. Oh really? How hard?

A very emotional way. So just to, that was the most surreal. Dang. But to see, yeah, literally, between Ehrlich, just scrambling for people to sing shit and Coldplay and Satriani's,

I had no idea that thing was going on. It was the funniest day of my life. Wow. Yeah, it was funny. I'm glad somebody had something to laugh about that day. Well, it didn't. The thing was, we didn't. No, no, no.

I know. I know you didn't know what was happening. Yeah, it's sort of like being in the New York doing the blackout. Right. Like, in Detroit, I saw y'all, I knew y'all were in the blackout, but I don't think y'all, like, really knew because there was no TV to turn on to see. Yeah, right. You couldn't be told you were in a blackout.

But it was just like, oh, we heard like Rihanna's not coming. Like, we didn't, until I got home, then we saw, oh, shit, that happened? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So

do we cover everything in your life? No. Not even close. Like what are we missed? Like a whole part two? Yeah, I would say yes. Part two. This is already a two-part episode.

We could talk about weird science and movies and shit. Oh, wow. You scored weird science? I didn't score it. I did. Actually, I just did one thing. Okay. For a female artist, the girl who did private joy.

Shane. Shane? Yeah. Yeah. I did. She did a cover prints? Yeah. Yeah.

And I sang the demo. Private Joy. Produced by Jimmy Iovine. Wow. Oh, that's right. Somebody asked me to do that, you know, produce that thing for that girl. So I did. I did Private Joy.

Wasn't you in the live scene of Streets of Fire? Were you in the band? No. No. No, I was in another movie, darling. Oh, which? What movie? The only, my only, my only.

this is it my only movie day but I didn't do this is it yeah because Michael this is it you're right you're right you're right sorry okay I was young say it but you haven't lived until you've been directed by Stephen Spielberg

thank you what movie oh Chutching yes you were the two joint you were the piano player time to go

we got two people have to cover so see Brian Ciglo was in the color purple too. He's in the color purple as well. I was six. Were you a baby? Yeah.

I was six. I was one of the kids. I was one of the kids. The scene where she's hanging up clothes and she's saying, no, you got to fight. You got what C. Lenny and Eddie are talking. Yeah. And so then like a kid comes and runs through the sheet.

And she's like, y'all get on the way from here. I was one of the kids. No way. That's hysterical. Yeah, I actually got out of shoot your picture. Guys, you're not going to believe this, but also I was in a kid. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You were the mailman? No. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he was, you were the kid. You were the kid, you were the, one of the kids of the owner of the general store. Right, right, right. You go buy something, girl?

You go buy something, girl? Yeah, you were a pet, but time to go. Wait. How many times did you do that? But guess what, though? Guess what? What? That's not even my voice, dude.

Time to come back. I was wondering. Oh, wait, wait. I couldn't, but I did say it. Yeah. I did say it, but in the final, in the overdue pro, I guess it wasn't loud enough. So they had, they had somebody else go, well, I don't know. But I did, that's me playing.

Wow. And that hysterical? Fucking dope. So, so, Laya, if you want a really good laugh, whip that out one night. You'll crack up your, yeah. Gotta go. You'll laugh yourself silly. Wait, great.

But that's how I met Oprah. Ah. What? And that's how I met, uh, Danny. Danny Glover again, right. And that's how I met the cast of wacky characters. And, yeah. Wait.

Oh, there's another thing that I did that I'm very proud of. Well. That you probably didn't know I did. Thanks to Ken Erlich. Oprah's final two shows. Thank you. Oh, man. Okay.

Wait. What were her final two shows? An extraganza with every star you've ever heard of in your entire life in the entire galaxy that did she's ever. interviewed they came out oh to say goodbye yeah that's stuff so what musical moment who who was the last you MD'd whatever the musical moment was oh i indeed the whole thing so who was the last person to sing i don't know who the last person was but but um probably my favorite segment was when we when we surprised it with steve okay because what happened was the setup was um uh uh

Jamie, you know, went to her and started, you know, talking on his smack and everything. And he started, isn't she lovely, right? So he started it. So we did a slow version. And that's me playing with him and everything. And then we, I do some, some chord changes, you know, some different chords to set up into the original key of isn't she lovely for Steve to rise out of the floor on a piano. Isn't she love? And she turns around.

He goes, oh, my God! So that was, yeah. Wait, I got to ask, do you, have you ever had, as an MD, a Murphy's Law moment? Where you, everything could go wrong? I don't know. Like has a sequencer ever not worked on, you know, when jam is on at the intro? You know, did you miss a, if you can't feed your baby cue on that freeze or want to be starting something? Oh, we probably did.

We probably had some... You mean doing the bad tour? Well, yeah, I mean, just in general. Or in general? Not, yeah, probably, but not anything that just stands out to where I go, oh, you won't believe this. So I'm sure they happened, but they were mercifully far and few between.

Oh, okay, okay. Well, great. I'm sorry. I really do want to know what you played on We Are the World, like what instruments that you... Oh, it's piano. You play piano, and... Because Lion plays piano.

too, right? Yeah, but to your point, yes, and he co-wrote the song, but no, he doesn't need to play it. He's one of the featured artists, so he doesn't need to play. So they had... There are other scents and stuff,

though. Oh, yeah, so Quincy had a few of us. It was me, David Page, and I think, and there was one other way. I can't remember who they're going to kill me, though. But I played piano. Page played, you know, electric piano, I think,

or other instruments, and there was a third keyboarders as well. So there were a bunch of us. No, well, just other sense not strings but yeah so there were I'm pretty sure three keyboard players and I did the piano

thank you thank you well brother Greg Amir you you gave us did I give it you brought it you brought the stories you brought the drama you brought the mystery well you know what but it takes someone as

nerdy and as knowledgeable as you are and your fine team. Let me just say right now. You guys are really wonderful. Even Steve. And I must say, I have to pee. I don't know. Okay, no, I get it.

Bodily function, that's all. I know, I get it. And I have to pee right now, but I must say, I had no idea that I would be here for over three hours. But I have enjoyed every second of it. It's felt like three minutes and blessings to you all. And I really appreciate you. Yeah, thank you.

Just thank you for, yeah, just for all. your contributions, all your music, just for raising all of us. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Well, thank you. On behalf of Sugar Steve and I'm paid, well, he's not here. In spirit. On behalf of Sugar Steve and Boss Bill and Fantigolo and Laia. Yeah, I'd like to say thank you. Greg, and this is Cuest Love, Custlove Supreme, and we will see you on the next go round. Only on Pandora. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio.

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