The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Heather Hunter

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

Retired porn star Heather Hunter talks about growing up as part of Brooklyn's legendary hip hop scene, her time spent living at The Latin Quarter and all the ins and outs of her former industry. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to 2%. That's TWO percent on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to QLS Classic Episode 42 with a pioneering adult actress Heather Hunter for July 2017. What can I say the name holds wholly for a certain generation? Heather Hunter shares a story from Life 14. as a co-chat girl

at the fabled legendary Latin quarter nightclub to blazing trails in Hollywood and the world of porn as the first black woman really allowed in spaces others have yet to navigate or get to in their life. She also gets older and wiser and tells about her experience after porn as a photographer, as a director, as a singer.

So many stories she has to share. This was quite a memorable episode with Heather Hunter on QLS Classic. Hope you like it. Don't forget about it. We're gonna meditate. Don't forget about my watch. Just breathing.

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So ladies and gentlemen Welcome to another exciting episode of Questlove Supreme I am your host Amir Thompson aka Top Daddy

Love And with me Today's team Supreme At the helm We have Fonte a.k.a. Carolina Cushing.

Yes, indeed. Built for comfort, not for speed. Oh, who's our porn names? Okay. I mean, no, you're just Carolina Cushing today, you know. Next to him is our boom operator, Suk and Steve, aka Miracle Mandel, aka Oil of Oive.

Wow. It's a mouthful. That took me a second. I got it. Sorry. Well, you know, my jokes don't fly sometimes. And we have our director, next to him, is our director, Bill, aka Indiana Slick Smoke. Slick smoke.

I'm just guys didn't say Indiana Bones. Indiana Bones. Indiana Bones. That's a good one. And next to him is our first lady, La Ea, aka Sweet Pee Pinkytoe. Hey, you won't shoot me in my Pinkettie Toe. Well, last time he was Clyde, so, you know, I had to. I want to be that sweet pea pinky toe.

No, Stephen. You can't be it. Last but not least, ladies and gentlemen, our guest today is, I got to say, all about history. She's pretty much had the best seat in the house, literally from watching the classic age of hip hop unfold in real time, the hip hop that's effective in our lives as a key staff member of the Latin Quarter Night Club, which, as you know, if you're a listener of this show, we cannot stop nerding out about. of course the Latin Quarter Night Club that made stars out of luminaries like Public Enemy Booking Down Productions

Salt and Pepper Latifah many others even to our place in history as the Avian Hall of Famer I have to say What's the Avian? The Avian. I believe it's the adult video video video

Is that the AVN? Now I know Yes I watch those awards. Okay. Yeah but Oh those are the only awards you watch Oh okay Well, she's one of the most celebrated actresses in the adult video genre. She's also a radio host, a recording artist, an art photographer, and many more that we're going to find out today. We are going to get to know Heather Hunter on Quaslob Supreme.

So wait, wait, wait, before we ask you anything, Steve, what the hell was that with your voice? What do you mean y'all lived together? What's the name in that place? The Riverbank West. The River Bank West. Everybody lived there. Is that a building? and that's an important.

It's 43rd and 11th in Hill's Kitchen over there. Even Fat Friday, Freddie, he used to live in the same building. It was a new building when we were there. It was like 91, 92 or something like that. A great building. Yeah, it's great. Really nice. Incredible.

And I don't expect you remember me, but I had a Dalmatian back then, and you might remember I was the only person there with Dalmatian in the elevator. Yeah, during my, like, Riverbank days, party. I was a party queen. Well, you should have knocked on my fucking door. I had three parties in that building. It was crazy. Oh, my God.

They kicked me out of the building for too many parties. Yeah. Damn, how many parties is there? We had the best store man. What floor were you on? I was on the 43th floor. Wow.

I was on 23. Wait, is this when you were... This is before Electric Lady. Yeah, this is five years before I met. You were even an engineer? Yeah, it was like 91, 92. Yeah, I was right out of college. What kind of money?

Right? Yeah. Yeah. No, I had two rooms. mates in a one bedroom. It's all good. All right. I'm not rich.

Anyway. So, Heather, welcome to the show. It's a pleasure to be here. Yeah, so I know, this is one of these shows in which I wanted to be absolutely, not even willfully, but absolutely ignorant because I want to find out these things in real, real time, not in real person. So you're from, well, I know that you're from the Bronx. Yeah, I was born in the Bronx, but I was raised in Harlem and

Brooklyn. So, when I lived in Brooklyn, that's really mostly when, okay, downtown Brooklyn, you had Alby Square Mall. Right. So, yeah, so I used to hang out in Albi Square Mall. All of us used to do. Did you know Haitian Jack? I knew Haitian Jack. I knew everybody. I used to have lunch for me and Bismarck. I used to share the same lunch table all the time. Well, I hear that at Albi Square Mall. Every hip-hop liminary tells me that Haitian Jack did his best work. at the Albee Square Mall. For those of the other, I believe that Haitian Jack in hip-hop folklore is one of the

the Jesse James of... Right. He has... I think he's... People were telling me that he had a collection of, like, everyone's chain that he ever evicked, like Slick Rick's chain and...

Yeah, they was cast that collect... It was, wow. Even the lead patches back then. Really? Yeah, back in the day... Run them lee patches. You mean, wring them off the jeans? Yeah, he said, ripping it back off the jeans.

It was crazy. Doing crazy stuff, you know? She was real. Like those as well. But inside I'll be square. Literally, it was like a melting part of talented people that were going to birth from hip hop. It was you never, you know, that was like our lunchtime, everybody was down there. We were just how I'll have lunch.

Some of us would be cut in school. But it was really more like we're all down there doing music. We're creating. Right. So if we were freestyling, people were dancing. So born in the Bronx? Yeah. Raised in Harlem, but really grew up in Brooklyn?

Right. Okay. And grew up in Harlem, too. I was really, I'm really... What school did you go to? Where? I went to, in the city, when I was younger, I went to Catholic school. So I was at Pelletier.

But then I went to Fashion Industries High School. I got kicked out of there as well, because I was doing too much graffiti. So, yeah, I was just tagging up all the walls. And kicked out everywhere. Where's your tag name? Miss 45. Really? Yeah, I was in a crew called the Craft Work Kings back in a day.

Yeah. So I used to tag with everybody on a train. I used to go down, Hoyton Skimahun, jump on the tracks, going to the train yard. So real New York? A real New York. Real. For real? For real, man.

You tagged up trains? Everything. My name would be everywhere. Yeah. I was rolling back then during the same era of BO with a dot in the middle. Lady Pink. Lady Pink. Diamite 149.

So I was in a crew of Craftford Kings. So it's like the wild style days. Yeah. Oh shit. Did you ever have any like scary spit moments? Was it spit? Yes. Well, that was Beach Street.

But still, yeah. Chase from the cops on the yards. Literally throwing everything. Had to clean trains. Never stopped. So how how does one, man, we're killing so many birds with the stone here because how would one get act? Well, I know now like security isn't, wasn't as head.

Bechman as it was now. Right. I mean, now you can't even, you know, you stand in front of the turnstall a second and like five cops run up to you. But like how does one even like even manage to go inside the tunnels to without being watched or whatever? Back in the days in the 80, 90s. All there was was like that little gate. But we would just jump right onto the track.

Long as you didn't touch the third rail, you were good. And at Hoyton Skimahorn, that's where all the trains would be sitting. The C, the D, you know, A. And those are really the numbers I was tagging. What was it about that particular spot? Because I also know that... Everybody went there. Well, when Michael Jackson shot the bad video, they shot at Hoyton Skimmerhorn.

Like, everyone's like, that's where you got to shoot. That's the realist. Because that was really, that's, to me, that's where street art, whenever you jumped on a train, that's for all graffiti artists. They had this, something about Hoyton Skimmerhorn. That's where you would go. At least, and then there was another yard up in the Bronx. But I didn't, since I was in Brooklyn, I was always tagging in Brooklyn. So was it still regional to the point where it's like Brooklyn people that mess with,

you wouldn't go past your neighborhood or were you free to? Oh, yeah. I mean fighting, tagging on each other's different crews' names. Then you fight and all that. It was crazy. I was a real tomboy. I'm still a tomboy, but there's a, you know, I've grown into a lady. she would say.

Absolutely. You know, but it's that tomboy and it's a heart, you know, it's in me. But it's amazing. If I think about the stuff I did when I was younger, I would not be jumping on no train tracks. Now, it was like, God, I can't believe I did that. But I was expressing every day you would go to school and you get on the train, your name was there. It was a beautiful thing. It was like, you see, your piece of art, just flying through.

And that was really the only way we could express ourselves. And then when I got in trouble and I had to, clean the trains. That's when I was putting a program with Keith Herring. And Keith Herring stopped me from tagging on trains. And I was working more on my black book and then I started painting.

Really? Yeah. Damn. So you knew Keith. He didn't know. Cracket wet. And it's crazy because I was like so, most of the kids that were in his class, you know, it was because we were, you know. So he was a teacher? No, he had a program for juvenile delinquents. They were what they called.

Okay. You know? That could not stop, you know, his program was really to help kids understand and create themselves, create art not on defacing property, but really showing another platform where you can kind of express itself. And it worked for me. Okay. It really did. So Ed Koch developed like an anti-grafety kind of, so you had to clean the trains? Had clean trains. Damn. How do you get that off the train? What did they give you to? Back then, there was two different ways you had to do. Before it was like this chemical stuff, and we had to scrub, you know, and then it got to a point where they had the sandblowers, the paint remover's blows. Oh, yeah, the blasters.

Yeah, the blasters. This way past DD7. It would be at least about 10 of us in the, you know, cleaning trains. At least I remember when I was cleaning trains. So when you were younger, you had aspirations to be an artist or a designer? Well, I knew I could dance. I loved hip hop. I love music.

I just knew I was creative, so I was trying to express myself in any form as possible. And just like anybody else who's an artist, you know, you want to get your stuff out there. Were you there at the park jams? Yeah.

Any notable ones of memory, at least in the Bronx or in Brooklyn. I don't know, like, Brooklyn's true history. I know about Queens and the Bronx. Well, mostly, most of the jams are mostly, because I lived in Fort Green.

Okay. So I lived on the other side of Fort Green from the Fort Green Projects. So a lot of jams happened with us within Fort Green Project. That was pretty much like my life in it. But I can't, you know, my God, I got in so much trouble in that park,

let alone just blow jobs. But I got into trouble. You know what I mean? That early. I'm sorry. Are we at blow jobs already? Did they start better? I'm sorry.

You know, doing it in a park, doing Fort Green Park. Oh, yeah. That was right. That was Rocky. It was Rocky. Same thing. That was a very freaky park.

Oh, yeah. Forking Park green park. Yeah. But, oh, Doty Bass, it was so funny. Like, if I think about just where I grew up, you know, because they were in Fort Green Project. So I lived on the other side where you consider it like Crooklyn, you know, like the movie Crooklyn. Right. So whenever I would like date somebody in the projects, oh, my God, to fight so many girls.

to get over to the projects. So I knew for so long of being so young, I knew O'Dirty Bassett for a very long time. So when I got into porn later in life, oh my God. Oh my God, he would chase me everywhere. And I love O'D.D. That was my boy.

But it just blew his mind. I think a lot of people from the hip-hop industry that are pioneers now, because we all grew up together. So to see me take a different direction and then realize that that was me later. Yeah. I was saying, did you take a 180 where I assume that you didn't look the got like you, you really have not aged a bit since I first seen you?

So I'm just saying that the image that we have of Heather Hunter, you know, the goddess Heather Hunter, was that not your image when you were in your teens? You were more tombish? Yeah, but I had that image, but then I guess I oozed. It was just oozing sexuality from me. You know, I had this energy, I guess. I wore a flat top. I rocked a chili E haircut.

You know, I was in my own little vibe. But for some strange reason, I, yeah, I oozed sexuality. Was there like a moment? Was there like a moment? Do you remember? Because you said you were tagging, you were tomboy. So were you still, you still had that sexual inside you as you were telling? It was more when my boobs started growing.

Guys started looking at me differently. Okay. And things started different. Puberty, Eli. I know it. But, you know, I think my traumatic moment took me a left turn and I went into the streets. I kind of ran away. So most of the people I was still doing music and focusing, I was really kind of trying to find my way of what I wanted to do.

What was your traumatic moment? I got raped. That was actually the first time I lost my virginity. So that kind of from that moment when you were. you're in this childhood and impact like that happens to you, you kind of get lost in translation in every form of which direct, you know? Yeah, yeah. So I think after that situation, I decided to, I think any woman that or anybody who ever gets

raped, the most important thing is to take control of it and really find a way to empower yourself through it. Right. So I went into the sex business. I wanted to the adult business because I had all control. It was at that point I could control every man that anything he desired or woman.

It was just really what I wanted versus what they wanted. Was it in between the traumatic event and you going into the industry? Was there any love situation? Did you have, did you fall off somebody? Did you have, did you get the love making process? No, I was searching through the love

through the adult business because I started stripping at the end. age of 16. So that's what makes it deep about Latin quarters because when I was running away, I didn't have a place to stay. And there was this guy. I used to go to Latin Quarter that time, you know, always Latin quarters. And I realized I needed to stay somewhere. And Mr. Goldberg, God bless his soul, the owner of Latin quarters, he really took me in, him and Eddie Bell, he rests in peace. Eddie Bell was a great boy.

One of my best friends. And he was like, okay, you always hanging out here. Let's give you a job. And Eddie Bell introduced me to Goldberg. And immediately he took a liking to me. And I started being a co-check girl and working a door at Latin Quarter. Sometimes I was the guestless girl. Definitely mostly a co-check girl.

But then it got to the point where I started working for Mr. Goldberg in his office. Because he also co-managed, if I can't remember, David Copperfield. There was something of a business. That's like super random. Yeah, it's very weird. It's like he had some management business with somebody else with David Copperfield. So all the calls would come in. I would take the calls.

Things would happen like that. But then he realized I didn't have a place to stay. I was wondering if ever one night He was just like yeah stop by the club one night I wound up living in Latin quarters for at least Two months to three months So you literally lived there I've heard everyone says like yeah how they used to live there

And I didn't know that you literally literally They're like an apartment with a kitchenette No see people don't realize about Latin quarters Because you know Upstairs and going up towards the attic Latin quarters if I can remember the history history used to be like this beautiful like cabaret club back in the days restaurant cabaret club I think it was even ran very I think Italian moff I don't know if I can remember the history but

when you went upstairs in the attic area of Latin quarters it was like going into the 1930s like it was beautiful like the furniture it was stuff that you see like in a cotton club back in a one of those roaring 30s and 40s. And it was so untouched. And you could feel the spirits and the haunting of the place, you know? Because I stayed. It was really spooky sometimes at night. Because then I heard a couple of history after I heard about Lankortes was something back in a day.

Some lady passed away on stage, you know, just the history that I was hearing about Lankortes. Back in the salsa jazz days. Yeah, salsa jazz days. So a lot of people stayed there. The security guard used to look out for me there. Okay. I can't remember his name. He's such a good man.

So when Paradise and those guys started, I guess the first party was Celebrity Tuesdays, right? Mm-hmm. So when they started those nights, I'm just, I'm not weirded out because I guess the same people that tell me these stories of, quote, back in the day. Right. are also the same people that today, 30 years later, have sort of a dismayed eye of New York now, like it's gentrified and, you know, 42nd Street is all Disney-fied and tourist-out and not as hip as it used to be. But, you know, I have to, I mean, as a person, I grew up an extremely sheltered childhood. So to me, it's like none of you were worried about the danger element of, of that nightclub, not even the owner.

Like the owner wasn't at all, like, worried about, like, any, any danger element happening. You know, I just- Because it was danger every night. Yeah, pretty much. Every other night, it could be nice if we had a good night, you know. It would be a point where- So good night would be what, like no one got- No fatalities.

Nobody got beat up, but then you'll see gold chains flying in the air because somebody yanked the gold chain off. Somebody. Can I ask you something? They would throw it to their boy on the other side so you can see it from the DJ booth. So might get yanked. Take chance. They throw it and throw it to somebody.

But sometimes at the end of night, it was great because at the end of night, after it was time to clean up, some. She'll be gold. You got weaves. You got hair extensions on the floor. You got stuff that you were like, but you were coming up. I mean, there was much. Like, girls, bamboo earrings, you know. Let me interject.

I'm going to do a very special version of, for one second. When you hear this, what is the very first thing you think of? Now, I've heard people tell me about this, but when you hear this, what's the first thing you think of? So, Daddy-oh told me what I didn't know? this is weird. Now, as a member of a hip-hop band, this is my calling card. Like, oh, a classic hip-hop song. Yes. No. No.

What's the word on it? When this shit was played at the Latin quarter, you instantly, you had to tuck your chain in. Yes. Whenever anyone, like, people, when they hear that role, it's a traumatic thing. What song is that? It's a ghost. That's a, in case there's a band from Brooklyn. I'm not asking for me, man.

I know, Bill, I know. Go Stetsa by Stets to Sondon. Go Stetsa by Stets to Sino. So when that drum roll happens, I found out that it's traumatic to some New Yorkers because that would mean that you were about to get robbed if your chain was stolen. You definitely had to buck up.

There were certain songs that would go off in the night and you would just know this is what turns them up, you know? and yet y'all still played them and we still played it and you went so at no at no point were was your life in danger or anything well do you me personally no because everybody protected me everyone in there like literally between paradise la mumba i had every from the ex clan to professor act yeah even my boy from public enemy everybody teddy ted all of them they all were like my big brothers no one dared not to touch me. It was, this is a one crazy experience.

I was working at door, and this is when El El Kuja first came out. Okay. Love Elle. I started off with this. And I told Elle later, because he didn't realize it was me, you know? Right.

But this is when Ella just came out. He had his radio. He was looking fly. You know, he was at his peak, you know. And Latin Court's security was not, something to mess with, you know what I mean? They really didn't care who you were. They were going to stomp you out.

They were going, if there was a problem, they did not care. It was the most toughest security. There's no security like LQ security today. Oh, really? Hands down. No. So. How many of it wasn't?

Sometimes it would be like outside. It was so crazy because they'd be like three or four outside, but by the time something pop off, there's like 10 people out there. They're like 10 dudes stomping on somebody. or even other people from the club that work in the club. It was just madness. It was so madness, but for some strange reason, you felt at peace.

I can't explain it because it was like a chaotic church, you know? You know, there was something very special about the place, but then there was something very dark too, you know? Right. It had this, definitely this double-edged sword when it came to. because there was so much so much talent in that place. Like I would be on a dance floor with

Salt and Pepper UTFO like everybody, Queen Latifah Light, all of us on the floor and no one everybody know they're talented and they're special you know but it's like you would never know like to see where

everybody is calipulted to now it's a beautiful thing but you can feel that everybody in that club was going to turn into something. It was going to be something. So what happened with L.L. L.L. actually came up to me. He, you know, he's just being L.O.

What's up? Not me? He was all in my face. And at that time, I was dating one of the security dudes, the head of security. And he was just, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like back up. And it was just kind of crazy. And then I just flipped and I said, security.

Oh, shit. And that's all I had to say whenever. It was at that point. And as soon as I know, Elle was out the club. You know? He was out the club, you know? And then later, years later, when I became, quote, unquote, had a hunter. And years later, I saw Elle.

And I told Elle, I was like, do you remember me? And he was like, wait, so I was from Latin quarters. He's like, nah, I don't. I said, do you remember girl when you had a, the only guy kicked out of Latin Quarter one? He was like, oh. He was like, oh, my God, that was you. Wow. And I was like, oh, my God.

So was he trying to holler? Like, was he trying to holl? Okay. But then after, you know, it was. And you got to, but you got to think about it. He's L.L. Every girl won an L.L. He was coming strong.

He was strong. But I was a different type of chick. And then my man worked. He was head of security. And I was young girl. And I, you know, like I said, all you had to do is say security in it with me. was this, okay, the most remarkable moment I could remember of Latin quarters is when public and he performed.

Really? Oh, my God. I'll say you're probably the only person that has a positive view of this. Uh-huh. Because even Chuck himself was like, it took us two times to get it right. It was so intense. It threw everybody off. Right.

And I think at that time, to me, there. presentation, everything that what public enemies stand for and just their stage for presence was to me gripping, you know, and I think, you know, there was always conflict, oh, no, no, that's, you know, everybody has conflict of what they thought was hot

on stage because they weren't on stage. Right. Everybody was getting an opportunity to be on stage, you know? Well, let me ask this. Can you describe Melly Mellie Mell? I knew it. Can you describe Melly Mell? Because again, in all my research of Latin quarter folklore,

Mellie Mell is, if the Latin quarters were the Muppets, then I thought Waldorf and Stadler like the two guys in the balcony that were like super grumpy. Yeah. Like, was, were they like the first guys in the club and the last two guys to leave? Or like, what was their presence in that club? Well, it's so funny. between Grand Master Flash, Mr. Broadway, all of them.

To me it was just funny because like back then, that era, especially with hip-hop, it seemed like every artist was dressing like a male stripper. You know what I mean? They were, though. They were. It was like, male strippers are like another member, Earth, Win and Fire.

Yeah. And it was like everybody came out to shine. So, yeah, everybody stayed to the end. And some people would leave before the end because that's when a lot of things would pop off at the end of the night. Last on, got to be out. Yeah. And those lights would come on and off, on and off, on and off throughout the night. Music would shut up.

Something happened. Lights back on. Lights back off. Music is still going. But I used to day, Mr. Broadway, and I used to laugh because now if I think about it, he used to wear these little purple tights, you know, pants. And you look at the... And still the 80s, you know? Yeah, yeah.

And it's, to me, that time and never, there's nothing like it. I've never experienced anything like that club before. Was there a historic hip-hop occurrence or something that you remember where it was just that, besides public enemy? Like, was there one moment where you felt, I mean, because a lot of things historically happened in, I think, what hammered, got booed there and vowed revenge? I just found out that Kid and Play also their initial group of, oh, I can't remember. Yeah, I can't remember.

I'm so good to stump you too. I remember I can't call it. I'm not going to fadjack it myself. I just love the fact that you two are caught on. No, you're not going to find it on Google. Is it too high? It's like high energy or something like that. No, it's something.

But as that incarnation, they got booed and then came back as Kid and Play. Who were the Iowa? U. dancers. I was in the IOU. I was the only girl in the IOU. Really?

So what was it? Like, y'all was just a clique of dancers that... I forced myself in that group. Really? I really did. And then even with rock steady crew, because Crazy Leg used to teach me out of dance. So I would be on a dance world with crazy legs.

But they were an all-boy group, dance crews, a lot of dance crews back then. And IU was the best. They would dance a lot for mostly the artist's background. And then they would do like different segments in between the shows. So they were pretty much like the house dancers, dance crew of Latin quarters. Yeah, I hear like every week they would invent, they literally invented everything from cabbage pass to everything.

The Reebok to, you know, the kid and play, the fila. Like, oh wow. They literally invented every dance that you see. And then, you know, it made it national. So do you remember the last night of the club? Like, what ended the Latin quarter? Honestly, I really, it was really about Goldberg was selling it, you know? He had to sell it.

He was just going on for his own. From that point, I was in the adult world at that point. What year was that? Oh, God. Around what time was that? I think I was by 19, 19 years old, 18, 19. So, 89, 18. 18.

Yeah, 18, that's when I was gone, because that's when I went to L.A. But, yeah, after my 18th, 19th, that's when it started changing over. The point you made before, the most special, to me, was the most special night about Latin quarters, was when Scott LaRocke's awake. That was the most peaceful, touching night that I could ever remember of Latin quarters. like everyone came at peace everybody was it was just one of those moments that you would never ever forget you know what I mean and even people in there you could just feel like you know we need to do better right I heard that uh I guess Paradise kind of wanted to change the Paradise was the um the promoter right yeah the promoter yeah Paradise looked up of me yeah of of the Celebrity Tuesdays. Was it always on a Tuesday or any other nights? It was on Tuesdays, but then there was always private events sometime.

I was there mostly when I was working there. I was always there like five days a week. No, Celebrity Tuesday was on a Saturday, actually. No, no, I just meant, was Celebrity Tuesdays on. No, I'm not asking was Celebrity Tuesdays on Tuesday. I just meant were hip-hop nights only on Tuesday. Yeah, we had Sunday, if I believe. I can remember I think Sunday as well.

Fucking Fontaine John Bucket or something. shot at me on my own goddustle. It's your man thought you said. You're going to five minutes. Oh, Bill pulling them same thing. It's your boss. He made you do it. No, I didn't make him do nothing.

No, hell no. I meant was hip-hop night only on Tuesday? I'm in charge of sarcasm anyway. I don't know what the hell these guys are. That's funny. Well, yeah. What I meant to ask

was, was I heard that Paradise implemented more the afrocentric phase of where hip hop was going to with the medallions, with Bambada's presence there, with the Zulu presence, that he was actually responsible for that and was kind of trying to phase out the gold chain violent side of hip-hop due to Scott's death

and now was trying to implement more afro-centricity, which is pretty much how... X-clam. Yeah. So was Paradise? Was he a producer phase? I mean, he wasn't one of the emcees. Well, he's like, Paradise was literally, my God, Paradise,

between Paradise with Mr. Goldberg, he had a lot of stuff for him to handle. He vanished a lot of stuff. And then he was a promoter. There was a few promoters in there. Also, but you know, you had Red Alert and Special K and Teddy Ted. They were mostly the regular DJs in there. But yeah, between Paradise was the man. Okay.

He was a guy and he really, that's like my big brother. Is he still, he's still alive? Oh, yeah, definitely. He just wrote a book. He just put out of a photography book. No half stepping. There you go. Ah, okay.

I've seen this. Gotcha. But it's one thing. Can I tap on something that's so different between now versus the Latin quarter era with the girls in the club, you know? What is it? As, when I was growing up in the club, even the genres, even light,

all of them can even definitely can relate to this. We were B-girls. Do you know what I mean? So it seems like the B-girl had that error versus now. We had so much respect. They treated us like, they gave us respect, the men in hip-hop.

It was like, they put you on a pedestal versus now it's not like that, you know? And my whole thing is like bringing something back. I really wish I could bring back the B-Girl essence, you know, and make men in hip-hop recognize that versus in the 80 and 90s how they treat it girls. I mean, it's so different. I wish they could bring back hip-hop. Period.

Yeah, it's bad because, you know, my God. I'm so happy I was a B-girl. 2%. That is the number of people who take the stairs when there is also an escalator available. I'm Michael Easter, and on my podcast, 2%, I break down the science of mental toughness, fitness, and building resilience

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Just get in it. Don't avoid it. Just get in it. Just don't you, I just. Wait, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? I was talking about you. Just get out the Latin court and go into the,

because that's where she went. That's where she went. And then when I got back, it was, when I got back, then it was a tunnel. You know, things just changed. And it was different. Yeah. It went from Irving.

That was my era. It went from Irving Plaza to tunnel and things were changing now, you know. And that was my error too, because I did a lot of, I was a promoter a lot for tunnel. What didn't you do? So let's tackle that issue. As Laias says. All right.

So you go to Los Angeles. Like, how did you, how do you get into the industry? How does one get into the industry? Especially when the time period that you were in the industry, you know I'm certain that porn is probably one of the most racist cultures of all time like the titles I would see it was like again like fried chicken and fucking

all that all the stuff in my no I got you yeah not like Ray Victory and Barbecue No shit volume 3 Like it's very true Yeah so how do you navigate your way

to the status that you became because as far as I'm concerned, like you were, at least from my point of view, you kind of were equal billing of the white actresses of the time. Right. On covers, you weren't doing like super derogatory and shit. It was because I had a really good manager. He had a magical idea when we kicked me off. The magical idea was like,

Let's treat you with dignity. Yeah. It was more or less. Let's not tell them what your color's skin is. We're going to put your first movie out and it's going to be Heather. And it was like we're going to ignore that you're in a sense. But eventually they're going to see you go, right? No, no, no, I'm saying as in when you're doing promo, before you're doing promo to put out for adult, like promo goes out.

So the whole team was like throwing out Heather, Heather. And then my face was shown. And then that's when I started standing up for everything. But what's promo in the adult world? Back then, promo adult world was like, okay, the AVN, when you had the AVNs back then. So they would give flyers, you would promote things. It was mostly like street teaming stuff, you know? Okay.

And then, you know, the Internet was only created for porn back then. So if you were on the Internet at that time, you knew exactly what was going on, at least. with in the adult world you know and then I stood up for every right from there on I refuse to be treated I want to be treated no matter what color my skin is

so I really stood up I broke through a lot of color barriers I stayed to my convictions and it's really about knowing your worth and stick into it you know how old were you when you did your first movie 18 I did it on my birthday wow

what was when is your October 1st. Okay. Libra. Libra. Damn. That's good shit. What was the first, what was that experience like just your first time on camera?

Oh, it's crazy. It was really crazy because I realized how wow the people were in the business. You know what I mean? And I was like, wow, this is crazy. It seemed like I danced through it. Like I was kind of like an out-of-body experience, you know? Do you know what to expect? I had no clue.

And then when this girl pulled out this. Back then, there was really no dildo. She put out one of these big massage. Oh. You know what I mean? It was huge. One of those huge vibe, you know, massage. No, I know it.

Yes. Yes. Spencers. God. That was actually the first time I actually was with a woman. She knows. On camera. It was the first time.

Very first time. So the first time was with the girl. It wasn't with the guy. It was. No, it was a guy. But it was my first time actually having a girl. Oh, okay. I mean, I was attracted to.

the girls. It was my first time really going all the way in. Gotcha. So, I mean, how are you not self-conscious about it? Like, I'm pretty sure that some part of porn is scientific as in, okay, stop, cut, we need this angle right here. And, you know, there's no manual to guide you through that or any training. So how do you, you just, you got to catch on quick and then. angles. Yeah. Honestly, I say, you know, that's why the difference between now, how everybody's really

overtop with their sexuality and not really understanding it. When in the porn business, you really have to be a professional. You have to have that professional state of mind. Because if you don't and you just dip in, you can lose it along the way. You know what I mean? Really? Oh, yeah, you could lose it a long way. So you have to already be a natural free.

I think it has to be already in you. Have no inhibitions, you know, comfortable with sexuality. But did you know how much of a freak you were? Like, at that age? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you still have to become more of a freak. You know what I mean? Like 18 freak, Heather, is different than 10 years later.

I'm more freakier now, but I'm a domestic freak now. I got a man, you know, I'm home, you know. You know, but it's a different dynamic now. But I think the older you get, you get more freaky, you know. I hope so. Yeah. I'm looking at that. I'm looking at you.

I'm looking at y'all. I don't expect to lead this conversation, but what is the difference between sex on camera and, or rather, how do you differentiate between sex on camera and, like, you say, like, domestic sex or sex in real life? Yeah, like, how do you, like, how do you have, like, is it like, you have a scene with somebody and it's like, oh, great job and let's hook up later or. Or is it just a line that's like that was that and now we're done. Well, that's the thing. When I was in porn, I only dated porn stars, male porn stars. What is that line? I wouldn't date somebody out.

I call y'all civilians. I wouldn't. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't do it because honestly I would like, why you want to date me? I'm doing porn, you know, because I wouldn't want to date me, you know? So I had this thing now and date male porn stars. So, yeah, I got to pick all my men because I worked for vivid.

So it was, yeah, we would go from there and then we would have awkward sex in front of the camera and everybody's telling you to do something. It's just like you can't even enjoy it. So you would go back into the bathroom after your scene was done and then y'all could actually have and get it in if y'all were together if you felt like it. So it is acting. How much of that is acting? Oh, it's acting. It's hard. How can you act when your body has to respond?

No, because it's not. It's like, okay, perfect example. I was watching a porn. I just had this discussion with somebody. I was just watching porn. And like I say, if I meet a guy when I was single, if I met a guy and he's like, wants to pound, pound. He's doing everything like a porno movie.

And no, it's like that in good. No, no, no. It's not good because like when you're watching the porn, even when we're having sex on camera, we got to speed up. So it looks exciting for the viewer. We have to do everything to make it look so exciting. And then when we're about exciting and into it, they're like, cut, okay, we got to do this, turn the angle, go this way. All right, Heather, da-da-da, you've got to, you know.

So we got a whole new generation that watches porn and repeats it. Yeah. And that ain't even, that ain't how it need to go now. I see. Yeah. I know. You sound so disappointed, like. I mean, but she, that whole concept, that formula.

Because they're professionals. We're entertainers. That's what we're doing. That's a problem. Men watch porn and they think sometimes that it's like, no. No, it's not that, you know? I would imagine that for the male performer, it's almost, there's a bigger pressure to instantly perform. Because, I mean, women can fake orgasms like no body's business.

But now they got Viagra. Like in my era, it was hard. You know, now the guys. Well, yeah, I'm just saying like just like on cue. Like, okay, let's go, hurry up. Yeah, Ray Victory, perfect example. He could not come unless you had red high heels on. Shut.

It. Yeah. He was banging so much. He could not come. He did not care who you were. Right. I remember I had a scene with them and I had my little, you know, because I was so very girl next story, I had my little skippies on.

He was like, uh-uh. That ain't going to get it. I ain't going to do it. That's not going to do it. They had to go get me. Red high heels. I was going to say, I'm kind of like the yoga era of porn and this whole like. What was the yoga era of course?

Not the yoga era. I mean, they have different things. They have like, it's always the same backup. Like it's like it's either the pizza delivery scene. Oh, okay. You mean the setup. Yeah, I just. Oh, now there's yoga class.

Or the, I mean, whatever. I mean, I mean, I'm in my head. Yes, yes. I don't know. The sports gym look is not. Oh, it's not hot. It's not personally sexy to me. Okay.

But, you know, who am I? Who am I? Yo, isn't, just to get you out of your hole you going into. Isn't porn one of the only industries where the men is inequality between the men and the women and pay where the men get paid less? Or is that not true? Yeah, the men get paid less. certain guys, if you're a star guy, you could probably make more money than the girls. But if you're in gay porn, they make more money.

They make money just like the women. Yeah. So it's, you know, I have a lot of colleagues that are in the business that I've been out of the business for 28 years now. I've been retired. So it's been a long time. I kind of keep in touch with certain people because I, certain people I do like that's still in a business or like I like Missy Stone.

I think she's a good person. Are you mentoring A little bit? Do you mentor a little bit? My whole life is a mentor. Every day I get up. She's mentoring us right now. You know, my every day is, you know.

It's interesting. It comes to my rings on my phone every day. Questions, everything. So I think the business itself and I still, and I think people look at me in it, I'm not anti-porn, you know? A lot of people think, wow, she's not in porn. She feels, my only view about porn is I just really wish that they would practice safe sex.

Well, I was going to ask, like, how scary was it? Well, I left because I wasn't going to, I was wearing condoms anyway. As soon as I came about, I was wearing condoms. But after I did, I was telling, I tell this all the time, when I did a movie in Hawaii for Vivid, and I was doing a scene in a non-errupting volcano. It was down inside the volcano with Vince, Vince somebody, Boyer. And I'm like, why am I down here? Because after taxes, it's not going to be worth it.

Between my health, taxes, I can't do this no more. You know what I mean? It's just, I think I started growing up. I started kind of waking up and realizing, you know, there's more things that are important, which is your health, making sure you stay on this earth. Because that business is like going into war. You can come out a soldier, unscaped, or you can come out and you could really die.

You know what I mean? How thorough are they as far as making sure that I have my papers and I'm tested and, like, is there someone always on the set that's like, okay, let me. And someone could lie about it. Oh, yeah. Wasn't their brother in Detroit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't remember his name. But you had, was Darren James? Was it him? It sounds familiar. I just knew that. He went to Brazil and he got infected. I know that the industry had to shut down for a month or so. Like, who are the police dogs that enforces that?

And like, in the age that it is now, I would imagine. It's almost like pull out your iPhone. It's impossible to, I mean, you have your set companies that still do the protocol. You get tested every time you do a movie. These people still choose to, they don't. don't want you to wear condoms, but if you want to, you have to really insist it. Sometimes you won't get hired because you just want to wear condoms. So I was with Vivid, so I was contract girls, so I was able to wear condoms if I choose to.

Was that the highest honor back then, like, to be a vivid? Like now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, even to the stage, to be a vivid girl. They're still a thing? Yeah. I mean, Kim and Ray J. Took them to another level, right?

And then it just went back up from air. That was vivid? That was vivid. Right, right. Me need. You said that with pride. In a lacquitian. That was the empire built for like several people.

Yeah. That was the Kardashian Empire, yeah. And I was proud to be a vivid girl. I always will. It's something that I'm not going to forget of my life because it was a, they were a great company. Were your peers as nice to you or that thing, or was it like was it catty as far as? Oh, no. All my, the vivid girls I was cool with.

The one I punched in the face. Who was that? Who was that to punch? Oh, that's hilarious. See, I just want to know what she did. Yeah, it was one I punched in the face. Who did you have to punch? Who was it?

I'm not going to say her. Why did you have to punch her? What did she do? We were all on set waiting for her. All the vivid girls were on set waiting for her. I was really sick. And she decides that. She showed up late.

She showed up like four hours later. She's a mirror jaw. She went to go. go get her hair bleached and I was sick and then she came in just like I could do whatever what you're going to do with it? I just socked her.

What you're going to do? Did she still do the same after? Yeah, my Keisha came out and I socked her. You got to tell us now. And then they sent her home and I finished the shoot, you know? Her face was fucked up. Her face was fucked up.

No, after that she became like she really wanted to be my best friend from there on. She didn't want to get punched again. It's funny. It's funny. But yeah, no, everybody. is always respectful. We were like the Brady bunch. I was going to say for

the environment you grew up in as a New Yorker and the time that you grew up in as a New Yorker, you're very nurturing and not necessarily like, usually there's a hard exterior or a defensive exterior and most New Yorkers I know. Like I haven't, I've yet to hear you say, what happened or like any Brooklyn

sort of terminology that lets me know that you're like, you've been through shit and lived through shit. Dead ass. Dead ass. Yeah, that's when I said Keisha comes. That's my middle name. That's when Keisha comes out. You know what I mean?

Wait a minute. What is your real name? My name is Heather Keisha Hunter. Okay. What made you go into your real name? My father. He said, be proud of your name. You have a powerful name.

So when he found out you were doing poor, what was his reaction? He was like, he was not shocked. It was more or less, my father always, I can. could rob a bank and my dad was like she's the best bank robber. You know what I mean? I could do no wrong in my father's eyes, which was beautiful because that helped me, you know, along the way, you know. Was your mother in the picture as well?

Yeah, my mom too. My mom still don't get it. She look at me like, what did you do? The mom, she just don't get it, you know. She still don't get it. Do you have a large family? I have a huge family. Huge.

Because you are the crim to the crim of, I mean, your name is pop culture referenced in many of hip hop's rhymes. Is it weird for your cousins or whatever, like to, like, how? Well, my sisters. You know, it's interesting. There's more of you? My younger sisters. He saw my younger sister. You'll lose your mind.

Hi. Okay. Yeah, my younger sister, you know, I knew it's going to be hard for them because they're both beautiful, they're attractive. But what I loved about them, they were raised so strong, good head on their shoulders that no matter what comes away or if somebody was like, oh, you have the hunter's sister or something, they really handle it, you know. They never wanted to stray away from it, you know. And then my male cousins, all of them use my name, like, oh, I can get pussy. Wow. Yeah, because they taught them some things.

Yeah, so it's interesting. What about all those those emcees that you mentioned that you came up with at Latin Quarter? Like, at what point, was everybody well receiving of your career or was anybody like, all right, let me come talk to you in a corner? You know, I have a few, like, a few, thank God, I've been the same all my life. My character, everything about me, I've never changed. So you have a few people that have thrown off, you know. Definitely a few people have thrown off. But then they got used to it because I think it came with the respect that I already had within my community, my street, my friends.

It was just already there. You know, I really respect people. Something just hit me right now. Like literally when she said that, something. hit me. I'm sorry. It sounded like it. Wait a minute. I don't know if you know this about me, Heather, but I am probably

the third most knowledgeable person of anything soul train. I thought he's going to say porn. Oh my God, Soul Train. You danced on Soul Train. Yeah. I believe that was you. I was going to say like even then I didn't put two and two together

that that was you. Yeah, I was in porn at that time. I was going to say you were on you were a soul trained dancer as Heather Hunter. I snuck in on the line. I used my mother's name. So I got online. They let me in. As soon as I was on the floor, I guess because I dance like I'm New York, they were like, oh, my God.

And the Asian girl with the long hair. Yes. Cheryl. Yeah, she was retiring and I had long hair. So they immediately threw me up on the stage. Right. So now I'm up on stage. I'm like, oh, this is bad.

This is great. And my boy who had the cane, I forgot his name. Louis. Louis. Lewis. Lewis. It took like about five shows for. I was going to say, you were only on for seven episodes.

Yeah. What happened? Eric Kasim, who was the manager, who was the production. Yeah. He knew after he realized, it's like, oh, my God, this is Heather Hunter, you know? And even Louis point to the cane, oh, my God, is Heather Hunter. So they kind of hit me from Don Cornelius for wow. And they threw me down.

Eric kept throwing me down the Soul Train line. Okay, let's get you down the Soul Train line. Let's get you down. We're going to get all these down. And then out of nowhere, someone contacted Don Cornelius and say that you have a porn star, gyrating, twirling down the line. I bet you're Pam Brown. It was Pam Brown.

It probably hasn't been Penn Brown. Oh my God. Pam Brown. She was a hater. She was a... Wow. And then Don was like, pulled me to the side. When I came back next time, he could not...

This is how great this was. Because I would see John at string fellows at the club in L.A. So he's like, who is this girl? How does she get into string fellas? I'm there with Marvin Gay Jr. and all of them. And how is she in here? You know? And then it clicked and he found out who I was.

And then he couldn't, I love Don for this, because he didn't want to tell me that I couldn't be on the show because he thought it was not right to do. You can't do that, you know what I mean? ostracized someone. Yeah. Right. So I gave him a break and I did it for him.

Really? Yeah, I gave us to do it. And then I used to, and then I said, I get it, you know, I'm just happy that I had experience to actually do this. And he was like, you could still hang and come down. And that was exactly why I would do it. Go and chill. And I would hang out because I worked with Eric as well.

And Don was just the coolest. And then about that time, you know, friends. And I had to respect him because, you know, he couldn't do it. You know, he couldn't say, hey, you can't be. You know, I had the... So I was like, okay, I'm a go. And then we did a porn movie called Get On the Real Soul Train. Okay.

You're serious? Yeah, as soon as I love Vivid, we just said, okay, come on, we're going to do a movie called Get on a Real Soul Train. Who was in that? And it was called performance. It was me. It was me, Peter North. Peter Dor. Yeah, it was really good.

Was it a train involved? No, it was like, I was pretty fresh. Listen. I don't think she means like a Choo Choo Choo Tr. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I know that, Bill. Make it sure. No, don't get back.

Did you have a no list, Heather? Did you have like a... Oh, yeah. Break it down. Oh, my no list was not past three people. Okay. I think... Three guys or just three girls and guys just coming?

No use in five hundred actions. I did the three guy thing and I didn't. It was just too much. I didn't do anal. I still don't do anal, you know? That's why you're talking. You see that ladies? Not even Heather. It's okay.

Sorry. No, you still under... Yeah. You know, just really traditional stuff. Hey, if she wants to do it, she can do it. Yeah. It's up to her. It's up to her.

Being, when you were under contract for Vivid at that time, what was the stipulations? Because, I mean, could you dance on Soul Train or could you do if someone said, hey, I'm going to do a movie? I could do anything. Like a real, like a, not a pornographic movie, but like a regular movie. No, I could do anything. You could do that. I was just an independent contract, even though I was on a contract with them. You have to say, I did six movies a year.

We would bang out the six movies and just one mom. So the whole year, I'm pretty much whatever I want to do. And so for doing six movies in a year, that was enough for you? You could survive off of that financially. It was adding to the pot of touring. Yeah, I think you were dancing. Yeah, I was touring. Oh, okay.

And by touring, you was dancing in clubs and stuff. Oh, yeah. Gotcha. Yeah, the money's sweet. That was hard to give up, you know? But now I make clean money. I call it clean money. Not clean money.

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most of them do come back. Because most people cannot get out of the sand trap of that industry. But you left for real. No, I did it, Jay-Z. I came back. No, I came back. You came back? Yeah, I did it, J-C. But no one knew I came back. I didn't know you came back. Yeah. I came back and I just privately signed a contract with a Vivid and I gave them, I think, four more movies. Okay. And then I completely stopped. So it seemed like it was part of the same error when I was doing films,

but I just really came back and did a couple of films and I was done. What was it that made you get out when you got out? I was done. The HIV, the, yeah, I was done. Yeah. I didn't want to catch anything I couldn't get rid of like that, you know what I mean? Or die. And then when you made the comeback, what was it that shifted?

When you came back with that brief time? Oh, I came back for money, honestly. Just for the bread. Yeah, I came back because I had a purpose. I wanted, you know, certain things I was buying a house. And that's why I came back is when I came back is when Tupac passed away. Tupac told me to come back after I did a how do you want it video. He convinced me to move back to L.A.

And a couple of months after that, he passed away. So I was in L.A. And I was just like, okay, let me, you know. What was, now, that's the time when I started to visit L.A. and L.A. was a hot territory as far as the height of death row. Now, again, I mean, if you survive the tunnel, I'm pretty sure that there's no place that you're afraid. You can handle death row if you can survive the tunnel. But, I mean, the environment was still hot out there as far as tension and where it's, hip-hop was at the time and beef and all that stuff.

How, I mean, what was it like for you to see him pass away? And I know that you two were good friends. So now that the Tupac film is out, like, what are your feelings about his legacy and what he bent as far as the industry is concerned? That's a lot of layers. I think, oh man, this is when I, Tupac always kind of like, I get very, you know, it's unfortunate because when I met Tupac, I met him in New York City, you know, and just like any hip-hop artists that I've known that have been dear to me, by the blessings of, like, I swear it's like angels, there's always like someone looking out for me. in any area that something's about to pop off, you know? And the time that I spent with Park,

I never saw him an environment of hostile. Like, you know, I never saw anything violent or, you know. So to see that world when he was not around me, it was like, I saw a man that very misunderstood it in a sense because you really people to really know him you know i mean there was so many layers so he was humanized to you yeah and human and three-dimensional to you yeah and even the caricature what his yeah a lot of things are touchy for me even this movie you know i think it's a beautiful thing that they they did of tupac film uh but i don't i think it's too close to home for me you know

I mean, that I don't, I don't, you know, it'll take me a second to watch that film. You know, if you think about the West Coast and East Coast beef, all those years was complete stupidity, honestly. And to be part of that history and know that I have full range to go wherever I want, you know, and to see how the East was talking about the West and the West was talking about the East, and I, you know, it's like, it wasn't about where you were from. It was just like, why is this conflict, you know? It's just, it made no sense because even when Biggie passed away,

Biggie was in L.A., looking to find property, he was really thinking about staying there, you know, at least getting a piece of property there, you know. And it's sad that this conflict that was going on, which to me is like guys fighting, little boys fighting in a playground in sand. You know, it was ridiculous. And to see Tupac pulled from the west to the side of his east history and then from the west and had to find his way through that. And to see both of them pass away, it's just, nah, it was just. Were you friends with big as well? Yaku.

Yeah. Me and Big later down the line, we became friends, you know. Gotcha. Yeah, I'm very, uh, oh, after that video. I said after the video, like after the Pock video. Well, how do you want it came out like almost too close to Big's death? Right. But it's just sad.

You know, I, you know, to see hip hop now and just to see people not really acknowledging history, And at least to me, the new generation. It's a disposable culture. Yeah, you know. I really wish that we could turn back time, but it's impossible. You know, so we just got to learn from here and try to educate. Even if they don't want to hear it, you've got to push it down and force it down their throat, you know? So right now, are you indifferent to what hip-hop culture is now?

And do any of hip hop's current luminaries, do they acknowledge you in your existence? Or is it like, what's the environment like for you now? Is it just like, you know? Well, I'm, I'll always be hip hop. You know, hip hop inside me. Well, hip-hop what we know as, but I mean, what they call hip-hop today. Yeah, what they call hip-hop today, I think, you know, you have some good stuff. I think back in the day, you had more, everything about hip-hop.

Pop was wonderful, you know. So now it's like certain people I like, certain people I don't pay attention to. I listen to a lot of old school stuff. I love Kendrick Lamar. I think he's cool, you know. There's really not anybody moving in the unless I hear a song, you know, that goes, hey, this is, who is that, you know? Right. So you're not shazamming on your app every five seconds, like, oh, let me get.

No, no, no. I'm a prince head, you know. Yeah. I really do. That's why I love you. The truth. And I like music. Honestly, I like music that makes you take your clothes off.

Yes. Is Prince Why the book is named Insatiable? Yeah. That's what I thought. That is one of the things. And there's a character in the book named Martha. Ah. That's a gentleman's mom.

How many books have you written? That's how I was about to do. This is actually my first, but I actually have a whole collector series that coming out that I'm working with. My editor. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because it's interesting as you're writing these books, but then I'm hearing your story

in regards to hip hop. And it sounds like there's a lane there that you can, I mean, as well as what you're writing. But do you ever think about that, like really going over your life story as far as the hip hop lane of things? That's the book. You really could read that. Okay. It's like an urban boogie nights. It's, and LQ is in there.

That's why I was asking should I look at it? Yeah, Latin Quartis. Yeah, Latin Quartis is all up in there. Okay. All right. So speaking of Boogie Nights, how I always not a. I have to ask a former porn star to get, how authentic is that movie?

Or like, how true to life is it? That movie was touching. Right. Yeah. You know, what I like about that movie, it showed the dark versus always glorify things. You know what I mean? You think we glorify it too much as a society?

Now, yeah, to the point that 10-year-old girls are ready to be a porn star. And they don't understand that. It's like, it, it's like. they're not even born to be that. You know what I mean? It's like we're forcing it on them. And that's where I kind of, I'm really about anything that's adult. I like it in an underworld.

I like where we were at, you know? So you're not for these apps, like the porn hubs, the black. Only when I'm trying to get off, though. Tasty blacks. Tasty blacks. You said you're trying to get off of them? I said you're trying to get off of them. I'll go to my porn house.

I think, Heather, I think you're on some of those, though. You know that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why you get your money? Can you watch yourself? Yeah, really. But do you watch with a critique, I'm like, like, Oh, I could take porn like crazy.

Where? Even me, yeah. So what is like, so what is to you, what are staples of bad pornography? Like something that the average viewer would never even know. I hate when a girl looks in the camera. I hate that. Okay. Oh, that bothers me, you know?

It's like if you're going to look in the camera and you look at me, why are you doing, say my name. And if you can't do that, then don't do it. I don't do it. I don't. like when you're watching a video, you know, I don't I don't like when the girls look like they bored like they look like they're thinking about shopping

while the guy is fucking him. Did his business on me. See, okay, now you would you would critique it like we critique music so it's where you know like someone's phoning in from home or they could have did that verse better or that sort of thing. Right.

Can you tell them someone? I wouldn't know what to look for to know that someone's not into it or they're not into it or shows you, yeah, because it shows that, you know. Yeah, what are the tails? Like, convince some game, like, what are some of the tails that we can see, okay, she's bullshit

and then she's real? Like, she's really enjoying it versus this person. A pussy has to be wet. Okay. But even then you can. Oh, nobody can run in real quick and just put some in. Yeah, but nowadays I know this porn, we've been watching porn, right, baby?

We've been watching porn lately. A porn hub, you don't know? Yeah, we've just been watching a lot of porn. Oh, just porn. Even with the porn, it's like, they don't do that anymore. Nobody's losing loop. So back in the days, we used to lose a lot of loop.

But they're not doing it anymore. How do you know they're not doing it, though? Because I'm watching, I've been watching it lately and I go, okay. She knows what it looks like. Yeah. Oh, because I'm like, can they just pause tape and then edit, you know? No. No, they're not.

Okay. There's no pausing tape. Okay. Ney. So how do you feel about the rise of amateur porn? Like people just, you know, making homemade porn and putting it out there? That's the point. Honestly, I feel it's dangerous.

Really? Just because it's not being. regulated health-wise, you know? And that's where I say it's just out of hand now because you got mom and papa companies opening up and no one's really, you know.

Yeah, your iPhone is a porn studio. Yeah, no one's really going, hey, these people should be tested. It's not being, it's enforced. It's not happening, you know. Yeah. Housewives, parties. Yeah. Yeah, this is the whole category.

It's kind of crazy. When you talked about some of like the darker size of it like the boogie night's uh address what was some dark parts for you do you got to leave you got we went down a dark hole no i know it's too um it's too dark it's too dark it's not about dark it's just too personal um but put it like this i was on the set and something happened and i really didn't understand why no one was so sensitive about it, you know? And I got really upset and I kind of flipped out.

Something happened to you or something happened just to someone else or just on set? Something happened to me, you know. Okay, well, I've got to ask, what, can I assume that this is more of a cultural understanding? Because, again, I don't know if... Okay, let's be real. I'm going to be real with you. Not because I say it in a way that does to sound stinky. I was on...

set, you know, and I caught my menstruation on set. Oh. And it was a woman director, and they want to continue doing the scene. Huh? And I'm looking at her like, what is wrong with you? Like, everybody looking at me like, I'm crazy. I'm like, I'm bleeding. What is what's wrong with y'all?

And I'm looking at all these people like, oh, it's nothing. I'm like, something wrong with your people. Clearly something is wrong with y'all. And she didn't, from woman to woman, I thought she would be a little bit more sensitive and a little bit more empathy. And I had to flip on this. It was about her getting a shot and getting it. It was really, really, you know, and then I was just like, oh, this is really nasty. This is that.

But it was like little things that would build up to go, okay, this is not for me anymore. I'm really kind of, I'm taking things too personal now when this is a professional business. You feel? When you got out and you were saying earlier that when you were in porn, you only dated porn stars. Yeah. So then when you got out, what was dating like that? I immediately, I got married. Someone scooped me up and married me.

Yeah. So how long did you guys married? You got married? Yeah. Immediately after I got out porn. I think I, yeah, I dated him for six months and I was married. Yeah. Oh, and this is your, I mean, they can't.

No, that was a long time ago. Oh, okay. I was like, I let me say. No, I was like, I was 20. I was 21. I was 21. So I was only married for a year. Yeah, great guy. But I didn't know what I was doing. You know, great man. A credible person. You know, we're best friends to this day. But I was just too young, you know. I just got up porn. I've never really had a real relationship before. So I was really, and he was such a good person, a wonderful person. So, you know, I just, things happened too quickly. And I had to really. understand the difference between relationships and not being not in a relationship. I was learning my way through relationships because all I was doing before was just performing and having sex, you know?

So then once you guys got divorced and you went, I guess you started dating again. I started dating again. What was that like? It was like getting on a bike and learning how to ride. And falling off a couple of times. You know, until you got it right. And, you know, I think, I think even now, I'm 47 years old. And I got it right nine years ago, you know, I'm with my man now.

And I finally could truly say that, you know, I'm really in love. And I know the difference between love and lust. How did you guys meet? I hunted him down. I found him. I found him online. Oh, that does work good. I'm doing that now, so that's good to know.

It's all right, Heather. You have friends in the room because... No, online day, it's not really the thing anymore. I think it was like a taboo around the... Yeah, it's not 1927. I was impressed with his talent, so that's how we met. Impressed with his talent. You can't just leave that out there like that.

You got her. You said, let him be ambiguous. Yeah, I'm leaving like that. Is he... You work in industry as well? No, let's leave it like. Oh, no, he's at a talent. I'm like, that's...

It's online, dude. It's like, he's talented. Yeah, he's a singer. He's a singer. He's a singer. He's a singer. It wasn't me. It was Sponte.

Yeah. That was Sponte's first one in 90 episodes. Anyway. I could like to stroke. How talented is he? I kind of want to. I don't need all that. I got a question.

I thought he might be a DJ or some shit. So you mentioned that in your, you mentioned a minute ago about working with a bad experience working with a woman director. How many, is it common to see women working behind the camera? or not behind the camera, just behind the scenes in general in porn. No, it was very rare. Very rare. Back then it was very rare.

Now, yeah, there's a lot of women that are behind the camera. But back then, that's why I was thrown off. I'm like, yo. Was that a woman in color that you went through that way? I was curious. No.

No. Okay. Well, after your stint in the industry, I believe. But she apologized afterwards. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, all as well and as well.

So after your run, you'd, signed to Tommy Boy Records, I believe? Yeah. Island Records, then Tommy Boy, yeah. Okay. Okay. So what, at that point, were you trying to figure out, like, okay, what am I going

to do for the rest of my life? Are you pursuing passions or like, what are your... Yeah, just passions. I'm just, I'm just enjoying life. What are you passionate about now? Like, what is your, well, I know that you're deep into art photography and you, like, what are your passions now that you're pursuing now? Your bucket list?

My books, you know, writing, my photography books. I love shooting. So I have a photography business at my studio. And my documentary is important right now. I'm about to do my documentary. And then the book that you're in that I have called The Unfgettable. I'm still working on that. So I'm closing out a lot of products right now.

What's the documentary? Of my life. Yeah. I'm ready to talk now. I'm actually very expressments. I'm very private. person. And you're directing it yourself?

Yeah. That's kind of weird. Well, usually... I'm having someone produce it, but I'm... Okay, I was going to say like, just to have another voice in the room and... Oh, no, I'm having somebody produce it. Okay. Yeah.

But I'm putting it out as my own production, you know. I sold myself and I said it not too long ago. If I'm going to sell my soul again, I want to sell it to myself. Yeah. You felt like you sell with your soul doing porn? You sell yourself To entertainment Any job

Anybody sell you know I sold my soul to Questlove Yeah And I sold my soul of Pandora My soul is not for sale What I said You're fine Let it all right

Transfer her paycheck To my Y'all let me know When the next Illuminati meeting is Send me the minutes To me That's funny

When do you When do you When do you plan on wrapping it and what would the story arc be of your documentary? And how much will you reveal to us in this documentary of your life? A lot. Okay. Especially for someone who doesn't talk.

So, you know. You're not talking to? I have a, there's a lot of. So you're doing me a solid right now. Or she's just not saying a lot. No, I don't even do that many interviews, you know, anymore. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

No, whenever I feel comfortable and it's a vibe, I do those type of interviews. I feel honored. And I, yeah, there's so much about me. You know, I hold so much inside me of so many people's lives, even my own, you know. And there's so much respect that I have for people, but then there's things that I can share and I can talk about experiences I know that could help somebody else,

someone can relate to, you know. And just so I could really get tired of people asking me about Tupac, you know. So I could really kind of touch a little bit closer on how I feel and just things, you know. Did you ever have any children? No. I have a stepson right now. Okay. Yeah.

Anything like you that you, I know. I don't think it would be, I have other questions, but I don't think it would be appropriate. I just would. Just ask the question. Right. Wow. She's self-policing herself. That's amazing.

I am because also I respect the fact that you moved on and you've been retired for 20 years. Yeah, but I talk about, you know. So we can talk about like fucking. Oh, let's, yeah. Let's talk. Let's fuck. Can this be on extra? Like, no, darn, girl.

Y'all going to have to exchange numbers. Tell me. We keep it on. My mama's listening to this show. Ms. Jackie is not listening to this episode. Miss Jackie, turn it off real quick, Ms. Jackie. Hold on this. Or Ms. Jackie, keep it on, but tell the mirror that you turn it off.

Okay. I wanted to, well, I was going to ask you about the evolution because you talked about blowjobs. Oh, my God. Go in. I just, okay. And so I just wanted to know, I want to get advice first. And it was interesting to me, in the evolution of the blow job, right?

I know Superhead was a big, I don't know if you remember, but the two-handed thing or whatever. But I just wanted to talk about that and talk about. Yeah, I always thought she should have been super hands rather than super-haping. And how did you feel about that? Because she did use both hands, but she was called Superhead. You know what I mean? I don't know if you ever... You know, I actually had never watched her good head.

Yes, exactly. Like, I think when she left it, it's like... No, she said she's been watching porn the whole time. Yeah, but I just, you know... To me, Superhead wasn't porn, you know? She was just a girl who just gave head. So I didn't really look at her as a porn star, you know? Do you have any new girls that you like,

or guys or girls that you like now? I like Missy Stone. I really like her because I like when a girl just bouncing, having a good time and just look like she's enjoying that dick. She seems cool. You know?

She seems cool. I was going to ask you, like, favorite position situation that you like to watch. Yeah, I like doggy. Okay. Even now with the, you were talking about the double hand.

Double head, yeah. Yeah, but even this way is even double hand. It's just, that's so traditional. That's why it throw me off that that was like a big, you know? What is non-traditional, Heather?

Huh? What is non-traditional? What's not? Non-traditional is just a regular stroke, but to me, that's, well, I guess, I don't know. It's just, to me, it's about suction. Okay. It's like if a woman could really create her mouth as a penis pump, then she's learned her technique. I'm sorry, I had to take that in.

What, words of wisdom. Words of wisdom. Thinking about something else. Here's another question. Is there something that you, because this is, man, I wish you could really just advise and write a book on a list of things. Is there something for the blow job

outside of your own natural hands, mouth, or whatever, that you would advise to help get results? You know, some people, okay, I know this might sound antiquated, you know, but I'm going to go altoyed. I'm going to go ice. I'm going to go, you know. Pop rocks. Whoa.

That's disturbing. I don't know about pop. I. I don't know. It's a lot. Really. That was Bill, I didn't say pop rocks. Pop rocks in the mouth.

But since we're on the blowjob. We call it the 4th of July. I need to put, is that a crazy question, Heather? That was crazy. Just ask the question. I did ask the question. I did. I said it.

So what do you use other than? Yes. Are there other things that you can advise to help with the results? My. No. No. Oh, no. The tongue roll.

A. She has me stuck. I feel like I have one in my mouth right now. I know. I'm like a tongue roll because, see, I learned that the tongue ring on the tongue ring is not a guarantee win. The tongue ring. Yeah, I had one in college.

That's really more of a male. A male. You don't know goddamn tongue ring in college. I did. You wasn't looking in my mouth. That's shit. What, for three days like you? No, I had it for like two years.

Oh, God. I had tongue ring. But, I mean, it's not for a woman. Okay. I don't even think it's about what you use. I, I, I, pouring lube in your mouth is great thing. But I really think it's very important to think of your mouth as your vagina.

Thank you. And if you could master that, then you're giving the best head possible. And I have to go back to being a good girl now because my man is in here and I'm, you know. I'm trying to figure out how to make my mouth fever. How do you make your mouth, Kegel? The look. Oh, the boss-man's sex right now. Look, look, I'm taking over right now.

I'm taking over my own show, thank you. I have a question. I have a question. Yes, because I know you got some sense, Bill. It is actually kind of warm in here right now. We briefly touched on your music career, and I think we should get back to that. Your first release is house music, right? House music, yeah.

Why didn't you start out with hip-hop? Hip-hop, yeah. At that time, I was really passionate in house because I was hanging out in most of the house clubs. Okay. And, yeah, I was performing. And then Cookie Gonzalez came and saw my performance at Red Zone, and then I got a record deal.

And then we figured at that time, house music was big, you know, dance music. And I did really good with that track. I hit the Billboard Charts with that one. And where I left Island after I tour, I went to Tommy Boy Records, and that's where they messed up at me. They were trying to turn me into like Mary J. Blige, and I really wasn't that,

and they really should have had me do hip-hop at that time. And I got put on the shelf, and they gave me all the rights to my music, and I left Tommy Boy. And then I decided to put out my own album because me and Aconelli, actually Achenelli taught me how to rhyme. Okay, wow.

And me and him was on tour before me putting out the album for like a year. He's doing putting it in the mouth. I'm rhyming to an MOP track and that was our show and we had strippers and midgets it was oh my and we toured for like a year

Was that before you did the premo joint Or was that that same album? That was before Okay Wait, she did a premo joint? Yeah Yeah Damn, I thought you would

You said that like No I thought you Like what you didn't know man I did not know Yeah I found out about your website So I figured that you probably would have seen Oh, man, no bus. You shot a video for that one, right?

You guys shot a... We shot a video for the so serious, so sincere. Okay, I think, yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, I... Did he scratch in this industry of rap? It was called freak like me. They're bringing the industry.

I'm sorry, Prebo. I always teasing my belt. And that's back to... That's my boy from back in LQ. So I had a lot of people, all my friends with support. They really want to see me do something different with my life. So whenever I want to do something Everybody's like, come on, let's do it

That's dope So that's how I kind of Have been very successful as well In Bless Because I've gotten a lot of support from A lot of my friends that are Hip Hopo pioneers Artists, everything, you know

Was mainstream film something you ever wanted to do? I did a couple I just made sure I was in ones That I really wanted to be in I did American Gansder But you didn't have any You didn't have no desire to be like, you know, the next?

No. Okay. No. What advice would you give or pornists would you give to any girl porn stars now that are looking to transition and get out the game? Which is something that you seem to have done really well. Well, you have to give it up completely. You can't do both.

It's impossible. Because they were telling me that, you know, I was trying. And then I got it. I realized I said, okay, maybe I have to stop all the way completely to really be taken serious. but then at the same time I'm still expressing myself in an erotic way

in everything I do so you just got to be real with yourself and you got to be real with yourself and you got to really I talk to many girls they be like I want to do this I want to change my life but the same day

they still swinging on the pole they ain't going to where you know so it's really something that you really want to change it you got to stick to it and you've got to really strip yourself from that money to learn how to make a totally

different type of kind of money. It's a lot. You really got to strip down because I literally stripped down from the porn, from touring, stripping, all that. I had to give that up. So when you stopped, you stopped everything.

It wasn't just the movies. You were in the walk away? I had to stop because I knew there was nothing going to change if I didn't. And then thank God, you know, family, friends. I just have a good support system, you know. I'm good to people, so it's a blessing that they're good to me, you know? It would be dope to see you get back in the talk show game. Do you ever think about it?

Well, I'm going to do a radio. I'm going to do a podcast show. I'm sorry. I thought why he was about just to be like, go back to you. Oh, that shit you said. No. Get back in here.

Yeah, I'm thinking about doing a podcast. You know, I'm just, I get up and I just, thank God, blessing. I'm so appreciative that I can get up and just be myself and figure out what I'm going to do the next day. You know, I'm at that point in life where nothing really, I think the old. old I've gotten, even just more success and just changed. And I just don't really sweat. I just kind of enjoy life because, you know, I'm learning as you lose people, there's a lot of people dying, you know. You realize you just got to enjoy every minute.

So whatever I'm going to do, hopefully people like it. They don't. I don't care. Because I'm happy. You know what I mean? So. Just maybe we might have our seventh member of the Team Supreme. Anyway.

Heather Hunter, I want to thank you for everything for talking to us. I have fun. I adored you. Can I just say something? Yes. When I saw you at Brooklyn Ball. Yes. I thought it was adorable because I was with my security guy.

And he was like, what are you doing? You're going straight up to the DJ booth? What are you doing? I'm going to say hello. What are you doing? What are you going to do? He's not going to know you? I was like, and then I point.

Oh, that's right. And at first he was like, who is? And he went, oh, is Heather? You know what I mean? And I just, you know, I met you years ago. I don't know if you remember with Scott in Philly when you were in a studio. You work with Scott. Yeah.

I forgot that Scott was in my group. Right? Like Scott. Oh, damn. Scott Bayo. So it was really good. That's why when he was like, Heather, I said, no, I know him from, you know. So it was really a pleasure.

I'm glad you wanted me to come over here because this was fun. And it's always good talk about Lack Quarters. That was life. Well, I thank you. Is there anything that you've learned this episode, Bill? I'm going to save L'Aid for Lai. I learned Lai is a closet freak. Yes.

I only think it's closet. I want to be better, though. I'm working to be better. Padio. Patio. Just own it, let it out. Just looking for a suitor. Fondicle a little.

All right, we're going to find a lot. All right, we're going to find, we got to have a fine, like, and, and, and unpaid bill. Oh, no, he's good. He's good. He's good. He's good. Oh, damn, my bet. He's back on the bandwagon.

What did you learn? I guess, I've just learned, you know, you just kind of, you know, just hearing what, the story, just, the thing about just listen to yourself and just kind of knowing when it's time to walk away, like when something just ain't, if it's not feeding you no more, and if it's not, you just feel like, nah, I'm past this. And then also, I guess, giving yourself permission to say that I can do something else. I think it's a lot of people that you feel like, okay, if I'm known as this, then there's no way I'm ever going to be known as something else.

But it really ain't got nothing to do with other people. It really is about you giving yourself that permission to say, no, I can do what I want to do. You know, I mean? Exactly. So, no, that's a... It really is. And you know how crazy this world is now.

So just got to be proud of who you are. Because I'm proud of every aspect of William. Shooka Steve. Even a good and a bad. Hold on, hold on. Amir, she's really a big prince fan. There's a chapter in this book called Erotic City. I'm a huge prince fan.

Yes, you are. You ever get to meet him? Yeah, I'm saving that story. Oh, no. I guess it was a very Jehovah Witnessy. Yeah, that's going to my doc. That's going to my documentary. Did you like to witness?

But he's truly a lot. The sick of Steve. Dalmatian, Steve. Steve, I'm sorry. Yeah. No, I mean, you're really lovely and cool. Oh, thank you. I found it interesting that the nicest person she met in her life was named Goldberg.

I learned that talking about blowjobs with Lydie in the room was as disappointing as I thought it was going to be. Well, you didn't say nothing. You could have added, said something. And I have one question. So if you were on 43, I was on 23. If I heard you were having a party And I came up and heard the music And knocked on the door

Would you have let me in? Oh, yeah. Okay, shit. She's lying! No, everybody was coming. People were coming from different floors. Except for Steve. Okay, all right you?

Nothing raunchy. I actually, I learned a few things. I was going to say, number one, I learned that it's dope that if you are a dope individual and you demand respect, you will continue to get it because I just think that's amazing that all those men, those emcees,

no matter what you did, respected what you did, and respect to who you were as a person. Also, I thought it was dope that you've done like 20,000 things. So I've learned that let's try to do as much as we think that we can, because you never know what you can and cannot do. That's true. I learned. I think you used my mother, my mouth as a coochie.

Yes. My mouth. You should have known by now. I mean, I kind of do, but it just. I've learned that we can never let light you get the last goddamn word on my shelf. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of. of Bia who might be back next time

or might not. Soon as Steve on the 43rd floor or the 23rd floor. Who goes? Boss Bill, von Ticolo, unpaid bill

and Heather Hunter. This is Questlove signing off. We will hopefully see on the next go round. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio.

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