The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Jazzy Jeff (Part 1)

Episode Date: September 14, 2020

Philly's own DJ Jazzy Jeff sits down with Team Supreme to talk hip hop, DJ culture and why magnificence comes in threes. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. West Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to QLS Classic Episode 97, with DJ Jazzy Jeff from August 2018. What can I say? Jazzy Jeff is simply the best, most creative DJ of all time. There is no DJ today worth their grain of salt

that doesn't worship from the altar of Jeff Towns. And if you know, you know. So, without further ado, I present you the goat of all DJs. Straight out of Philadelphia, DJ Jazzy Jeff. Here we go. Suprema, Subra, Subra, Submra, Role Call. Suprema, Suprima, Sur, Submina, Role Call.

Suprema, Subrema, Submina, Role Call. Suprema, Submina, Role Call. Another episode with Alphonsei, unpaid and boss bill. Yeah. And I'm stuck with Stephen Laier. Yeah. Supriva, Submira Role Call.

Supremma, Submira Role Call. This dude can spin. Yeah. This dude makes tracks. Yeah. This dude can cook. Yeah. This dude can act.

Roe Kong. Talented motherfucker. Subrema, Roecom. Suprema, Srema, Srema, Srema. Yeah. And this role can ain't easy. Oh shit. What?

I love me some Jeff. Yeah. Like jazz love Hillary. Roe Kong. Suprima. Sucrema, Sucrema. Supremea Roe Con. Supreme.

Suprema. Submma. Superma. My name is Fess, yeah My crew is new still Yeah It's called the Trinity Yeah

We don't fight like Drew Hill Oh Suprema Supremma Roca Cobra Supremma Roca Call My name is Jeff

Yeah His name is Fess Yeah It's Stephen Laia Yeah And that's my brother Quest What What?

Suprima Submira Roleca Supreme A Roleca Supreme Supra, Supra, Supremar roll, Calm, Supremma, Sub prima roll. I have to say that of,

I mean, we're not at 100 episodes yet, but we're at least at 80 something. 80 something, yeah. That is probably the quickest thinking of the feat. I mean, I've had world-renowned emcees just like, up-du-up-du-du-up-du-du-du-du-du-du. You, hey, man, listen. You kind of kill Ronnith.

You, you might, I feel. I think you body your, he body the burst. Yeah. I wrote that for him. I wrote that for him. That's my ghost ragged right there. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another anemic episode of Questlove Supreme, only on Pandora.

I'm still here with what's left of Team Supreme. Damn. You know when he get hot outside, niggas start disappearing. I know. Well, Suga Steve's still here, even though, you know, your network starts are now. Plus, I have every excuse to call in sick, you know, mentally ill, among other things. Yeah, I see. Well, thank you for still sticking. Hey, man, I never missed the show. I assume that

Fonte is still working on his, uh, uh, his basement. Fuck him and his countertops. Yeah, his countertops. He's, is week number five working on his bathroom. How are you're going to miss work to work on your house? Hey, man, bathroom towels are important. You know, it's extremely important. Meanwhile, both bills have medical conditions. So there you go. I thought, what, Bill's not at Sesame Street right now? No, Bill's getting. his wisdom teeth out. Oh, Lord. Okay, I guess I can excuse that.

All right. Shout out to boss Bill who has a headache right now. So, wait, I don't know. Because if something happens in the future, I don't want this to sound bite to be played. He has a severe headache right now. Yes. Shout out to boss Bill and his many headaches.

So I just want to make sure that I'm not the source of the headache. So, all right. Less stressed in your life, Bill. I promise to be better. But you got to admit, I am improving since the beginning of Quest Love Supreme. You have, but then you stop sugar and you're back, so, you know. Oh, okay. Yeah, Lai is claiming that I'm evil because I'm Dave 51 without sugar.

I'm just saying. I'm still here for you. Is that possible? Is that possible? If you want to live, it is. I'm just saying that, you know, 20, 23, 24, 25. Yeah. Your concern was like getting shot at the club.

Yeah. The new getting shot at the club is getting a stroke. Yeah, like, I don't want to be that person. I mean, you still got your boyhood figure, Jeff, so how you do it? Listen, I do 160 dates a year and walk like 19 miles through the airport. Wait, wait a minute, timeout. We're doing this ass backwards. Ladies and gentlemen.

Oh, did we not do that? Oh, I forgot to introduce our actual guest for the show. Ladies and gentlemen. It could be Jeffrey Osborne. We already had. He was our last guest. My bad. Yo, did you know you play drums to Smokey Robinson?

No. You know what we forgot to ask Jeffrey Osborne? And we do this often. We often rabbit hole ourselves and introduce like a half hour down the line. I forgot to even talk about Whitney Houston's. Didn't we almost have it all? He wrote that for that. Oh, shit.

I didn't know that. Yes. Damn, that's a banging song. He wrote that for it. Anyway, ladies and, okay, introducing Jeff. Yeah, if God were a DJ, he'd be named Jeffrey Towns. And that's all I have to say. It's going to be the shortest intro ever.

We have God himself of turntables, Philly's own DJ Jazzy Jeff, the legendary DJ Jazzy Jeff on Quest Love for Supreme. Wow. It would also be remiss if I didn't also mention that you're here with a very special guest. Yes. Another God in his right. Grammy and Oscar Oscar winner

Wow Damn now was Now was Unpaid Bill was here We have somebody Oh yeah His O for his get Well yeah

Because you know Well I think What Unpaid Bill is An Right One of our co-host

He has a Grammy Emmy and a Tony But he's missing your O He's missing a Oh So if he was Chilling with Unpaid Bill right now

We'd have a ghetto not an ego Ron Pessor's here, ladies and gentlemen saving the world And also, I should mention your new project, M3 Yes Well, right now

digitally available But when will it be in store Will it be It's in stores It's hard hard No hard copies are coming Listen I'm doing this all independent So hard copies have to come

A little bit later And they're on the way Okay, good That's good to mention That's good to mention Yeah, so you were saying that you keep in shape because you just run across airports nonstop. See, but that's the thing. My Achilles Hill is being on the road because, you know, for every coffee shop in every airport, hotel food.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I can dig it. It is bad. So how do you resist that? And I know you live at home in Lynette's kitchen. Yes. Which, you know, as far as I'm concerned, you guys catch your fish and all your seafood in the backyard of where you live.

So, like, how... Just remain inactive. It's not even an exercise thing. You know, it's really when you got 60 pounds on your back because you try to take every gadget in the world and you're pulling a little portable studio. on a pool bag and you're in London Heathrow and your gate is 35 minutes away. I know that, yeah. You know that feeling.

So it's a lot of walking, you know. You get mad when you first go out because you're winded and you're tired and you're mad, your knee hurts. But by the time you come home, I would say you're O.J. Simpson, but you know what I mean. You know, I know what you mean.

Yo, wait, have you ever successfully, to me, like, two, six, successfully navigate through Heathrow without them thoroughly checking my back. Like Heathrow is one of the most anal retentive airports in the world. Yes. Like you can have a piece of like gum in your bag. And if you don't take it out to let them know that, then they're taking your whole entire fiber apart of that bag. Or you just wait for your bag to go on that separate lane.

Ah, it's the worst feeling of the world. And then that separate lane, you realize that it's 19 people in front of you. Right. You're missing your flight. Yeah, y'all travel too much. That whole thing was like... No, for real. Heathrow is one of the most anal retentive...

I mean, most of them quitely rhymed about that, even on their first record. Like, the first time I ever had to have the... Anil returning check at Heathrow. Has there been, between the two of y'all, y'all, y'all been around the world like 50,000 times. Has there been anywhere you haven't been yet? I just went to Kenya.

That was my first time in Kenya. What was that like? That was probably top three experience of my life. Why? Listen, first of all, I was, you know, I don't change the way I play anywhere in this world. See? At all.

Because, let me give you my reasoning. You don't go to Africa and play Afrobeat. That's the shit that they hear all the time. And that's the biggest mistake that I think a lot of DJs, because think about it, when you get DJs that come to Philly and be like, oh, I'm about to play Crown Rulers, and you kind of like, come on, dude. Right.

I came to see you play. I didn't come to hear you play how you think I want you to play. So I never changed the way that I play. Because people, you're seasoning. You're a dish in the restaurant. You don't change the dish. You just call me out. You called me out.

I mean, listen, you know. It's never too late, though, right? Yeah, but because you know what it is. It's kind of like, imagine going to your favorite restaurant and they change the menu every week. You're upset. You're like, I came for the fit. I want the fish in the cornbread.

What's the meatloaf? Okay, but I'm going to ask you about the Kansas incident. That's always my worst nightmare. Well, you know what it is? Kansas was me walking into, that didn't have anything to do with me playing. That had more to do with the wrong event in the wrong place. You know, like you can't, you know, because I've had situations like that when, you know, DJ A.m. passed away. I did one of his

memorials in Las Vegas. And I did it in a place that they didn't want you to play hip hop. And I'm kind of like, how do you have me do a tribute to a hip hop DJ and not play hip hop? Like, I'm kind of like, yo, so you try and do this shit

by name only? Wait, that's still going on? Like... Well, it... Not now, but it was. What was the name? Can you name? What was the name of the club? What's the situation? What was the... Tell him the Kansas story. I don't want to start with the bad DJ gig verse.

I want to start with the early DJ. It's the God. He got a home. I did, I was on tour with Sion. Okay. And Sion was doing these parties all over. And we went to Kansas City and played in a power and light district. And it was funny because I got there.

Z-Trip went on before me. And I came out and we started playing like 5,000 people outside. We started playing. and people are rocking. And, you know, my sets are very eclectic. Like, I'm going to play some hip hop. I'm going to go here. I'm going to do this.

You know, at the end of the night, you're going to get a little bit of everything. And my road manager at the time came out and put a towel on my table and walked off. So I looked, and I'm looking at the towel that I already have. And I was just like, why did he bring a towel over? So he came out and brought a bottle of water. And I had water on the table.

So I knew something wasn't right. So he ended up coming up. over the third time and he leaned down and he said listen they're about to cut you off because they're saying that you're playing too much hip hop and before they cut you off I wanted to let you know so that you can make the decision I said oh shit tell skills we're out of here so he went and leaned and told skills and skills turned and looked at me and was like word and it was like yeah so right in the middle of everybody rocking I just said so people are rocking oh listen it's non-stop Stop.

Nine stop. Like, I think I was playing Rihanna at that. So I hit the stop button and Skill said, hey, I'm sorry, Kansas City, but we just got word that they don't really want us playing hip hop in here. And they were about to cut Jeff off. So before we let them do that to us, we wanted to make the announcement to you that we apologize. And we hope that we can come back and play for you soon and took everything off and I walked our stage. Everybody thought it was a part of the show. So they still did it.

I'm still thinking it's a part of this show. for about two minutes. And when the road manager started coming out and breaking my equipment down, people went off. Wow. And I went downstairs

in the dressing room. Skills were standing outside and they kicked skills out to venue because they were mad. Like, this is the behind the scenes thing that you wasn't supposed to pull the curtain back.

Whoa. So the hotel was across the street. I ended up walking across the street and had no idea how big this was. And I remember, this is early Twitter. I posted wow, right party wrong place.

I was like, this is the first time that I ever, someone ever threatened to kick me off in 25 years and went and checked into the hotel. I called, you know, my manager at the time and he was like, change your flight. You know, we had like a 9 o'clock flight. He's like, get on the 6 o'clock flight. He said, because I guarantee you they're going to be pressing

everybody at the airport. So I changed my flight. What? And we got on the plane and flew at 6 o'clock. And I landed, by the time I landed, Associated Press had called me. Like, it hit everywhere. And I was just like, like, it got so bad that the owner of power and light was the owner

of the land of 4040 Club. And it got so bad that he called Jay-Z for Jay Z to call Will, for Will to call me because he wanted to talk to me. And he was like, listen, I need to meet with you so I can officially apologize. You winning the first Grammy for hip-hop? Hey, listen. They was trying to get me to come back Like what did they

It was just the area of Do do do do do No No it had nothing to do with that It was kind of like You know what Power and Light is like Power and Light is kind of like I don't want to say

Xfinity Live It's like one of those But it was kind of like We're not really trying to have that hip hop element Because from what I heard after I left was they were like, you know, we don't normally come down here. They don't like you in sports jerseys and baseball hats. That's Xfinity.

Oh, it's black people. Yeah, yeah, basically. Lucky straight. So setting that tone. This code talk. But you know how it is. You kind of, sometimes you skate under the radar because it's like, that's jazz from Fresh Prince of Bel Air, not knowing that I'm playing Mobb Deep.

But what was Zitra playing? Like, because I know. Zitra was playing mashup. So he was sneaking. He was sneaking. But understand, no one said that. Like all of these dates that we did, no one said when you come here that you have to play like this. Like, you know, a lot of times people tell you how you want to play.

I'm like, I'm cool. Like, if I can't do me, then. How do you, yeah, how do you handle it? I don't. I don't. I don't accept that at all. Even at the most prestigious gigs of- Listen, I won't take them.

If you don't want me, then don't book me. Always your whole career. Always. If you don't want me, don't book me. man I because you know how it is Vegas Vegas got like that

you know Vegas got to the point that it was kind of like well we kind of want this Like I remember Do you dread Vegas now? Listen I don't do Vegas anymore Listen I get a million offers to do Vegas And I turn them down

But you remember like we You know Quest and I had a residency Residency at the same spot And I never forget The first time that I did it When I was done They came down

someone said, well, we'll have a report for you. And I was like a report. I ain't never had a report. What's a report? Wait, a report? Like, we're going to give you a report. You know, and it got to a point that it, you know, oh, yeah, you were great and this was cool.

But it was kind of like, so you got people now here, like, checking on me. Like, I've been DJing in Vegas before everybody who works here. Yeah. You know, but it's, you know, I'm like at the end of the day, if everybody's having a good time and they're buying drinks and everybody's cool, leave me alone. This is weird now because it's like the narrity that you have that allows you to DJ in spaces that your average, your, your, your average guy. Okay, well, I'll be explicitly honest because, I mean, it's the white elephant in the room.

Obviously, you and Cash are Philadelphia got. And your level of celebrities allowed you more oxygen and more. leverage and where you are now. And it's also on how you freak it and how you handle your business. That part, you know, so I can't ignore that.

But it's like, are you, I'm the type of person that dreads when November comes around. Because in my head, usually when December gigs come, I'm always like, damn. January is coming. And it's going to be

another year where someone born in 2002 or you know someone born in 1999 who will be 21 or whatever

you know won't know what don't stop do you get enough is or it's like those records that used to be instant oh my God

they change like you remember how like you would play the opening horn riff of like Troy yep and it was like chaos. Do you remember when it stopped?

You remember when that stopped? Yeah. Yo, when I had one of the worst incidents. Well, my first incident of that, I did it. Howard's Homecoming. Oh, no. And I remember when you do the whole, you know, I remember when you would play all of the current stuff

and then you would kind of go into your Eric B for president and everybody would lose their mind. Right. And I dropped Eric B for president and everybody just stood there. And I was like, wow like because now Eric B for president is the entrance to where I'm going so I'm like oh shit you don't know the door that I just opened up I don't know if I can go in the house now yeah so I was kind of you know and I remember that but that was the first time that I learned the lesson

that you have to pay attention because every few years the the the the timeline slides right you know what I mean like it was I remember you know a couple of years ago going to overseas playing and somebody dropped Eve who's that girl and the club went crazy and I was like oh shit this is their classic now yeah that was so you just have to keep you just have to keep your your music set up in a way that you just have to slide it slide it like you got to pay attention to who's out there but are you ready to admit that front and by feral is now the new message by grandmaster flashing the purest five yeah like that's old school now well you know what it it all This also comes down to who are you playing for?

You know what I mean? So are you playing for yourself or are you playing for crowd? Oh, no, no, no, no. Listen, I do a very, very good mixture of playing. I take enough me gigs to make me happy. But my job is to play for the people. So wait, when you went to Kenya, because we started this with Kenya. So now I want to know in reference to Kenya, like, what made the crowd go crazy?

and what was there like they throw back their overall. So where we played, it was a restaurant. So we went and ate like when the club opened up. When I was telling you they was playing Mary J. Blige album cuts, like it was 100% pure black music and deep black music. And they appreciated it. To the point that I was kind of like, oh, if that's where y'all going, oh, I'm good. I'm good.

So, you know, it was everything from. some classic house stuff to mob deep to, like, they, they, they, I couldn't stump them. Go ahead, Ryan Fitts. What were you saying about? No, like, you know, like, so I dance a little bit, you know what I'm saying? But when you go to Africa, like, you just insecure, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're like, man, it ain't no dance that I can do that's going to impress nobody out here. And then, but when Jeff played that music, they're all, it's like you're in the home of where rhythm started.

You're in the home. Like, when you get, I heard the black people in America was from West Africa, but when you go to Kenya, they'd be like, welcome home. And you look around like, really? Like, you know, and you're like, this is all mine too. Like, and, you know, just the welcoming atmosphere, but you know they got like bodily and musical superpowers if they want because that's where it starts. How many days or weeks were you guys there?

We were there for three days. Really? Three days. We played like the first day we got there. Coming straight from America? No, no, no, no. We were out for a month. Okay, I was about to say, like, for three days, it's like jet lag, do the gig, have some food.

Well, listen, yeah, it gets like that. We were in Dubai, and we flew from Dubai to Kenya. And we played in Kenya. That food was amazing. Talk about food. First of all, the seasoning. Yeah, you know, because everybody has this whole thing of when I'm going to Africa, I'm going to eat necessarily African. food. Like, they have their food.

Right. And then they have food that everybody eats, you know. It's weird. When I went to South Africa, there was a place that it's almost like they know what foreigners are looking for. Yeah. Like that Africa, you know, like they're looking for that. And they actually made, they have a restaurant. that plays up to that whole thing. But I could tell it's just like for tourists. Like I asked the guy, I'm like, real Africans wouldn't eat the spot right. And he laughed like, no, this is just for tourists. Yeah.

They went to the real deal. We ate at a restaurant that was overlooking an African preserve that if you sat at your table and squint it, you could see a giraffe. What? It was deep. It was deep. Like I asked, there was a big security guard that was with us. And I was like, let me ask you a question.

Like, how close are we to the lions? Like, and he was like, not so far. Like he said, they just roam freely and... Yeah, yeah, like, they'll come in the hood. Word? Yeah. Yeah, they told stories about gorillas that cross the road, and if one of them get hurt, the car's got to stop.

And if you try to ride past them, the guerrillas would jump on the car and bang your window. Yeah. That type of... We went to that part of Africa. Yeah, you got to stop and let them. What? You serious?

Yeah, it was, oh, listen, we went to an African animal. Yeah, that was, first of all, let me explain. Michael Jackson. Right, I was like an animal orphanage. The guy was telling us that when a lion roars in full voice, you can hear him 10 miles away. He said, a lion will roar into the ground and vibrate the gown. That's how he lets everybody know, get out my wife. way.

But. That's a D-Boer warning. Listen, they were feeding the lion and the female lion came over to try to grab a piece of meat from the male lion and the roar that he let out. I let a little bit go. That's all I'm going to say. Like, I ain't never heard no shit like that. She weren't the big piece of chicken.

Listen, like that war, I was kind of like, I'm cool. I'll take my lions in the zoo. That was a little deep. I got a, I got a. You got experience. I got to figure out a way to get over there. Anyway, I'm glad that I'm here because they are greatly wanting you to come down in play. Oh, can I go?

I'm sorry. Like, greatly want you to come down and play. I'm saying that no one has ever carrot on a string teased me more than the entire continent of Africa. But you've been to a couple places. You did South. I've been to South Africa. South is different. I've been to South.

Yeah. You go to South Africa. You almost don't get cool points for going to South Africa no more. It's like, where you going? I'm going to South Africa. Yeah, okay, whatever. Like, I got props when it was like, I'm going to Kenya. Right.

Over God. It's like South Africa. How did you hook that up? They just called. Really? And it was like, listen, and it was crazy because once I accepted Kenya, then Tanzania called and all these other people. And it was just like, it was a little too late for that.

See, now that I know, now that I know, I got to, you know. Yeah, you need to go, like. I'm going to Benin or my, Nigeria. What I would tell you, you will absolutely body that. Like, they asked, they were like, who, who, who do you want to come down and play? Oh, we love Premier. He's like, we would love Questlove. We don't know if we can get him.

I was like, I'll talk to him. Because I'm like, oh, he's not that I don't want to go. You will destroy that time. But wait a minute. I know you're meticulous about your back line. Mm-hmm. So do you just take, do you now just travel with all of your equipment? No, I, I just.

So they have pioneers. Turn tables there or Pioneer just ships them. They had Pioneer turntables, had an S-9 mixer. What? Yeah. They got that in Kenya. Come on, man. Okay.

Whoa. Yeah, listen. So, Obama's hometown. I said that. When I was there, they had the Flintstone bird. It's a living. You know, like. Oh, I'm not laughing.

No, I'm just saying back in 2000 a date, you know, if I had to send a carrier pigeon and send a few breakbeats over to me. Yeah, no, they were cool. They were cool. They gave me a bunch of music, too. Okay. So, you know, I go down there. I was going to get tired of people giving you, like, all their 12 inches and the 45s and everything.

You can't say that outright because, you know, you almost need to carry a bag for the stuff that people give you on a tour. Exactly. Because you just kind of come home and it's kind of like, you know, like, I will really, really appreciate this T-shirt. Just like I appreciate the 20s. 22,000 t-shirts I have. I get, right. That you want me to take the t-shirt with your album cover, artwork, home.

Well, it's almost like you could travel like a Navy SEAL now. Like, you probably could just, you know, live off the swag that's given to you on the road. Pretty much. And that's that. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win.

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But it's also been a long time. since we had an episode of, Bitch you guessed it. Oh! So, Jeff, as, as, as, as the, the, the, the, the, the, the music extraordinary that you are. And being one of the many, one of, one of the first pioneers to actually introduce jazz samples to hip hop. We do a game called Bitch You Guest It in which, uh, I will play a quarter of a second. of a particular song and you have to even guess the artist or the song.

He said a quarter of a second. A quarter of a second. Quarter of a second. Yes. Some are easy. Some are not. I know you. This is, this.

I'm just saying. This is round one of, Okay. Can you name this break? Rocket in the pocket. You are correct. This? I could do that.

I know it. That's the, who makes it? It's the original. I don't want to be a player. Yes. Brenda Russell. Benner Russell. Thank you, Laia.

Listen, I might need help because I may not know the names, but you'll know that I know what I'm talking about. All right. Number three. Brandon Fon. Or a bouncy lady. Yes. I love how you just co-opted. Co-opted.

That pleasure break. Okay. Do that one more time? Um, yeah. Oh, that's do do do do do do together. The message by Simonte. Yes. Me and the beers.

You ready? Yeah. Number five. Oh, one more time? Yeah, you might stop me with that one. Wait a minute. One more time. Nope.

One last time. Nope. Game over. What was it? That was Ohio players singing in the morning. See, yeah, yeah, he got me. Biggie's, uh, ready to, uh, rip. All right, this, you're allowed a strike.

Number six. Is that, uh, Parliament Funkadelic? Yes. Number seven. Oh, that is it a bird is playing Johnny Guitar Watson. Superman lover, yes. Number eight. That is the original be a father to your child.

Et al-G and the Bulldogs You're close Wrong single Yeah Yeah not be a father to your child Yeah you know what I'm talking I gotta have it Yeah Bo-Hannon

singing a song from my mother Be a father to your child was that shit All right two more left two more left Last one All right second and last one The original Dre shit Yeah

That's chick moaning I want to do some freaky TV by Leon where Side note I actually thought that was my mom Oh No only because Dre uses my parents Sample and that shit too

So I thought That you knew your mom on sound This is a little weird I'm sorry mom for putting you out there like this Hey Miss Jackie Sorry My mom has a similar sigh

sigh. I'm not touching that. Oxygen, oxygen, breathing technique on her record. Yeah, an exhale on her record. So, yeah, I was very relieved to find out that, no, that wasn't my mom. But, yeah, she does something. There's enough something. Anyway, your last song.

All right, this is the kamikaze. One more time? One more time? That's not one, two, three, four, five. 6, 7, 8, 9 10. 6, 7, 8, 19, 11, 12. That was a banging phone. Only did that because of your connection with Jill Scott

and getting in the way and her dropping that. Anyway, even though I know it, Sir Jeff Towns, could you please tell our audience almost three hours into the show where you were born, what city? I was born in West Philadelphia. Where in West Philadelphia? Like, are you allowed to do that?

talk about your old neighborhood now that you don't live there? I'm from 57th in Rodman, which is right next to 57th in Cedar which is between Baltimore Avenue and Marcus Street, which is funny because the north side is basically

the north side of Marcus Street. South side is south of Marcus Street, but before Baltimore Avenue. So not southwest. Past Baltimore Avenue or Southwest. So in 85, how close were you to that Move fire.

Oh, man. Because Robman's right behind O'SH. Yeah, I was about five blocks away. Like literally heard the gunshots. Like the night before, you know, everybody in the neighborhood was just like, yo, something's going on. Because you knew move were there, you know, just going on a block. Oh, I went there.

Be outside with the bullhorn. Jack Jones was like crawling on the floor. And it was crazy because that night they were like, yo, something is going to happen. And we went up to Cows Creek Parkway. And it was, I've never seen this. many cops. You have never seen the SWAT team, you know, in real life. And they all were out there, the big floodlights. And, you know, we stayed up there for about two hours. I mean, you

couldn't get but three blocks close to it. And then we went home. And I never forget, it had to be about five o'clock in the morning. I have never in my life heard 20 minutes of sub-automatic weapons being fired in your neighborhood. Like, it was nonstop. And you, you know, you didn't know. Like, you're hearing this through your window, not knowing what's going on. And you turn on the news and, you know, do it. So you had no clue that in 24 hours, entire blocks were going to be burnt?

No, no, no. Was there any? Like, we saw the helicopter fly over and we saw when it dropped it. Same. And we didn't know what it was. We saw when it dropped it. And you heard this incredibly loud boom that shook everything in the neighborhood. And we were just kind of like, well, we were.

was that? And they were just like, they must have dropped some kind of explosive. And then the fire started. And like to realize this might have been three o'clock in the afternoon and no one came. Like there wasn't a fire truck around for a good five, six hours. So to watch it burn a complete block down. And you know how the blocks are that they're connected. So burn a block down. It went through the alley to another block and burned one side of another block down. As an outsider, I'm still surprised how y'all let this go down but I'm just going to say that I don't understand Philly y'all you are a philadelphia I am but I was in D.C. at the time and I just know I felt like if it would have happened in D.C. a bunch of black people would have took hands and went and got around the

neighborhood and been like I'll be damned if you're about to bomb these black people and these babies no you didn't know you didn't know you didn't know like understand this is all news media and this is after all of this gunfire and what happened was people didn't know which I which I personally believe that I don't think anybody from move shot. I think this was the police shooting at each other because all it takes is one shot. And it was just gunfire. That no one was kind of like known to have shot somebody.

You didn't know. So it was just kind of like nobody moved. You didn't know what was going on. And to be honest with you, in 1985, black Christian conservative outlook was

was high and black Christian conservative I think is almost a step ahead of racist redneck Southern Bible Christian conservative

it's almost like you know I remember like practically everyone in the neighborhood saw the move people as heathens. Right. Yep.

They eat raw meat. They homeschool their kids. They don't wear clothes. Like I remember the move. My brother used to live on 44 from Pouton. So I remember the first move. Oh, 97. Yeah.

Naked. So you, you know, you knew about the organization and what it was. And they had a standoff there. I was just a little bit too young to really understand what it was. So when they kind of moved up in the neighborhood, you kind of, it was still the same chatter and you know you're getting the information off of television so yeah i was also that i was i was heartbroken that day i just got dumped by like my first high school girlfriend the only time a bomb been dropped in the country you talk i'm just saying man

none of that shit matter he's like i got a bomb dropped on my heart yeah man like i came on Seriously, like the second, they dropped that bomb at like 3.30. I was right on my porch and I was just like, yeah. Let me go watch the last Cosby episode. For those of us who weren't there, can somebody just give us a brief? About move? Well, not only about move, but about this bomb that was dropped on. The role of Boss Bill will now be played by Steve Mandel.

All right. So basically, move. I wouldn't know how to how to exactly I kind of get what move is, but.

But why was the bomb? He's asking about the correlation between the bomb. I'm asking about the bomb. Okay, so according. This is how Philadelphia people really explain this.

This is not a mirror. He's not alone. I don't want to be the, I don't want to be the all sides guy. But so basically, I guess there was tension between the neighbors of the 58-100 block of O'Sage Avenue and the Africa family, which

That's their last names. All their last names were Africa, similar to like having an ex. They all took the last name of Africa. And it was like 15 people in a house. Everyone had a similar look, dreadlocks. They were more like a primitive. I mean, the thing is that it would be totally normal now in the times that we live in. But back then you saw someone dreadlocks.

You were just like, oh, snakes in your head and you must smoke drugs like Bob Marley and, you know, and they didn't believe in, they just didn't really believe in the westernized colonization of where America was, their education system and all. So they wanted to homeschool their kids. They armed themselves as well, right?

Yeah, they armed themselves. So it was like part, part Black Panther ideology, educate your kids, live like vegetarians. I think the complaint was mainly a noise complaint. They would be on the roof with a bullhorn and just preach their message. And they occupied homes. They didn't buy the home. Oh, yeah.

And see, I think one of the things that was different was this was in a residential neighborhood. So they were in the middle of the block. Like this, it wasn't like they were in the suburbs. or had a farm, they were your next door neighbor. And not to mention they were already targeted because in 1977, our mayor, Frank Rizzo, who was like, I mean, if you think like Giuliani-era New York mixed with Donald Trump mixed with,

I mean, just think of the worst racist police state mayor you could have. they they had an incident on 44th in palatine where it was like uh because of a disturbance there and then there was a shootout and he made them all come outside i just remember the the the picture of them all naked like 20 of them hands in the air naked and and some of them died and so there was already tension between the philadelphia police and the africa family so once once complaints and protest were happening with the residents

the cops were sort of like get out the house and they're like no this is our property yada yada yada and there was a standoff it was like a four or five day standoff where they just seal off the block and you saw news cameras and news people like bending on their knees like you know this jack jones live on a kyw

and uh we're outside africa home and and then on may 13th 13th man. Yeah. The commissioner decided to just fly in helicopter right over their rooftop. I'm trying to figure out like what was so distinctive about their rooftop. They had something on top. They had a bunker.

Yeah. But you realize how how precise your aim has to be. Yeah. To drop like so they basically, I don't know if it was a grenade or whatever, but they dropped some sort of device that just. They dropped a bomb. It was a legit bomb. First and last time ever on.

on your United States story. They dropped a bomb. And you see how like Roe Homes are in Philadelphia. So it's not like there's a separation. And so they let this house. They were like, we're going to burn you out the house. So they burnt them, well, they literally killed them all but two. But then the fire spread.

And then the next two houses. And then two hours later, the entire block was. Dumbies. But then five hours later, that one big ass. block hit the next block and then that entire block hit the block across the street and then that spread so at some point around 9 o'clock

we got to knock saying there was like the block captain was sort of like okay just be prepared to I lived on the 52nd block and this is the 5800 block so around like 9 p.m. even though we thought they would contain the fire there was like concern that

this shit just might spread and spread and spread They're like, burn all them niggas out shit Yeah, it was just It was Africa's South Phileas North Philly or whatever It's crazy that I'm asked that Anywhere I go in the world

Really? Because everybody's kind of like Yo, didn't Weren't you guys The people that dropped a bomb On a residential area Yeah Kind of like that ain't like some shit

You want to be known for Yeah So records Yeah That was heavy So then you grew up Yeah. No, so how did you, how did you, how did you start your, your, I guess,

even before DJing, you have to love records. Completely. What was the first record you ever purchased or were you like the youngest? I was, yeah. You know, it's the same thing. Okay. Well, you know what it is? Like, my brother played bass for the intruders.

So they would actually rehearse in our basement. Whoa. Which was a little deep because, you know, you're, so young that you're not allowed in the basement that I would sit on the top step and they would rehearse and then I would slide down to the next step and slide down to the next step until they finally see me and say get back up you know get back upstairs but then my dad was an emcee for count Basie so yeah my like my dad like I grew up with 78s in the house west Montgomery Jimmy Smith and Arthur Priceock so you had those so it was almost like being the

youngest, I had the best of everything. I had the 78s. You know, my brothers were, you know, my brother was the Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra person. And then, of course, your sister's... How many years older? Was your older? Oh, man. I was the mistake. Like, I was the one that was a little bit of farther gap that it was kind of like, yeah, this was a hot and heavy night with my mom and dad. Because everybody was like, you know, one person was this, you know, you know, uh, uh, 49, 51, 51, 53. And, you know, it got to the point that it was kind of like, yo, there was like a eight year gap with me. Like, I wasn't supposed to be here.

Was I playing right, right? But, you know, but I was the, I was the sponge. So, you know, and what I give more credit to was my, you know, at about seven years old, my brother showed me how to take records in and out of the sleeve. Don't put your hands on the records. You hold your thumb at the end. you put your finger in the middle, you bring it out. Don't touch the vinyl like that.

And he had a, you know, he had a set. He had a receiver. Are you still that meticulous with your records now? No, no. Like, we have used the shit off. I threw that shit out the window. Our parents were like that, though. But he, you know, he was kind of like, listen, if you, if you take care of it,

I will let you use my stereo system when he was at work. What? Like seven years old. But what I'm going to tell you was crazy. I'm seven years old and I'm making Chick-Correa tapes, cassettes. Like, he gave me a blank cassette and I'm listening to music, not really understanding what is attracting me to this music. But I'm like, oh, my God, I want this Chick-Correa song.

And, oh, look, you know, return to forever. And I want that. Because his music was my music. And I would make these tapes. And I got sucked in. Like, I didn't understand it was the chord structure. I didn't understand what it was. It was just the, it was a pure attraction of music.

And then the Stevie went into Marvin Gay, so. That's what makes you different. You didn't have the don't touch my stereo. Oh, no, I had the exact opposite. I had the exact opposite. See, I had don't touch my stereo, but I also living in the house with three collectors that hog the stereo. So I was forced by Will to, you know, by force, I had.

to listen to their music. And don't touch my stereo on the car, none of that stuff. So I was, that music was forced upon me. And then I guess Stockholm syndrome, I just like, oh. I used to do this weird thing that this is probably the first time that I'm ever admitting this. But I would have a radio and I would go and take a bath. And I would take the radio in the bathroom and I'd plug it up and I would sit the radio on top of the toilet. and I would grab the plunger

because you got to understand a plunger is a microphone it's a horn it's a bass it's a guitar oh I would mimic every but you know what I did

it made me memorize every guitar solo lick for lick every horn so listen I was switched I would have that shit I would play the bass line you have it by your mouth you have it by every place

the look for it's nasty Your whole entire room just turned against you. The first thing you said, I use a plunger for a mic. Like, what? No, no, no. Listen. I don't know. But wasn't that?

Literally, everyone in this room, the people across the street at Frogert are like. Listen, man, you know, your imagination in music is basically why I'm sitting here. Look, I'll admit the same thing. Yeah. When James Brown was on Dynasture, doing body heat. And that's the first time I saw him do the microphone tricks. I got the toilet plunger start doing the microphone tricks. And then my mom was like, oh, man, bring the toilet plunger back.

So, see, I didn't do it in front of my mom. I had a lock on the door. Oh, you knew better. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's nasty. Yeah. And I didn't put the plunger near my mouth, you know. But you know, when you plunge it splash, you know what I'm saying?

I don't think no one believes you. Listen, but the top, like I wasn't doing it with the rubber part. The rubber part was the horn. And, you know, you would grab a roll of toilet paper and that would be your muzzle on your, on your trumpet. Wow. So, listen, I went to. What was the, Steve was just like, wow. When were you allowed?

I was just real busy in the bathroom. When were you allowed to curate the first backyard barbecue or like what you consider your first DJ gig? I started making mixtapes for all of the dancers, not necessarily mixtapes. if you had a cassette that had a spring-loaded pause button that it did it instantly, you could, like, you know how sometimes you would have the pause buttons that you would hit it and then it would engage? Yeah.

If you had a spring-loaded pause button, it would stop automatically. Oh, instantly, yeah. So I would just make the Love the Life You Live break that all of the dancers would dance offer. I was the one that had it that went for 10 minutes. Oh, you did pause tapes. Yeah, so I would go to the end, and you got known for that.

And then it just turned into, you know what, I'm going to steal some of my brother's records and not eat lunch the whole time I'm in school and I'm going downtown because you remember Funkermart had $3.45 for, you know, $2. And I would just, I started a record collection. Like that's, I realized that the record collection is the most important thing as a DJ. What was the first? Because I did, when rappers delight came out, I begged, I think 20 people for a dime. because it's like $2.99. It's $3.17. Yeah, listen, I had like...

What was the first record that you like... Barcais, Holy Ghost, moving by brass construction. Because I was a little pre-hip-hop. So that's what they play at the block parties. I just want to make your dream come true by mass production. And, you know, it was all of that. It was the funk and soul bands.

When did you play your first block party? probably about 80, 7980. I know I was still in school. So I know Philly's known for these DJ crews, like Astrofunk and... Oh yeah, this was way before that. This was super before that like... So what would you play? What equipment?

I wasn't old enough to go off the block, so let alone have a crew. But it was older DJs on the block. And, you know, and that's the first time that you got in front of two turntables. in a mixer with headphones. You used their mixer. Oh, yes. I had nothing. And they trusted you?

Yeah. I mean, listen, I was the guy that when they had to go pee, I played. Yeah, you were like, I was going to say, have you ever been someone's record dude or record? Always. That's all I was to all of the older guys. And it was just, you know, I don't remember what happened, but I got into a point that I would do stuff by myself. And you know from growing up in West Philly that we had. have an iconic public enemy type flavor, flavor,

flavor figure named Crazy D. Yes. That if Crazy D was at your block party, your block party was guaranteed to be a success. So people were going recruit him. And they had a block party on 57 Cedar, which is a big block two way street. And I remember looking at all of the DJs in the neighborhood.

You had disco doc, you had disco rat, you had E-Man Disco, and all of them had no block parties. They were all there. It was kind of like when you don't have any other competition and they're all, they're watching you and you're 14, 15 years old in the street with four or 500 people and you're controlling them, that was the signal. That was the signal in the neighborhood that he got it. Like that was it. It was that one block party. So how long was it before you were able to, because I know, turned, I mean, I had to get a record budget to buy.

my turntables or my mixer and that sort of thing. I was in a lot of crews that had equipment. So one guy would have a mixer and one guy would. You know, it was kind of like this. But how would you practice though? I would mentally practice. No, Jeff. Listen, I'm dead-ass serious.

I would practice in my head. That was the only way that I could practice. You're 10,000 hours who spent just in my head. L-L-Coochoo. Well, that was before that. That was before that. But you know what it was? What helped was if you cut Grand Master Flash super rapping at a party and you killed it,

the next week the DJ in your crew is going to cut that record. He's not going to leave it for you. There wasn't favoritism or any of that. So what happened, then you learned how to cut at the party by Treacher's Three. And then the next week he would cut Grandmaster Flash and the Treacher's Three. So you systematically kept going through records finding routines to do off of the these records because it was it was that competitive you know you you know the back in the day parties you know grandmaster flash super rapping was paid 20 times because everybody had a

routine off of it right who who was the first like did you pioneer the whole let's dance to the drummers beat like what that was that was a that was a classic like those I don't think anybody necessary like that's that was a record that everybody like that to me is the drummers beat like that to me is, is... That's Philly. Like, that was one of the things that I would say. Like, that didn't belong to any DJ specifically. That was Philly. That was DJ Spin Bad, Lightning and Rich.

That was every DJ in Philly cut Pump Me Up. They cut dances, drummers beat. They cut It's Tom. They cut, you know, uh, clear. They cut... Like, there was just a staple of Philly records that all of the DJs cut. But, I mean, who was the first cat that was just like,

you instead of just pump me up normal i'm gonna bump to bump a bump bump bump bump me out like ways to ever you know what's funny i think when i saved up enough money and got 1200 because i understand all of this early stuff was done on belt drive turntables which i think helped me a lot because the record goes fast okay but you know what it was it helped your hands you know that's my hands got light because they had no choice but to be light because I was on the wackest equipment in the world. So without butter rugs, how are you able to put records under? Wax paper.

You would go in your moms and pull out some wax paper, put a record down, you cut it out, poke the hole in, you start scratches too much. The wax paper would get too big and start sliding off and you got to get some new wax paper. There wasn't, we didn't have any of those tools. We didn't have butter rugs, felt mats. You, you know, you bought a turntable. You had the big rubber mat on it that you just tossed away. And, you know, 45 made the record wobble, which you had to have really light hands because...

Wait, you would cut 45s too? Well, no, you would put a 45 underneath the 12-in. Oh, to make it slide better. Okay. But that didn't work. So the wax paper was it. Or you would cut an album cover and try to use that. You'd try to get a glossy one because it was slide more.

You would spray WD-40 in your mixer, which I know Steve is just like, oh, my God. Seriously. You would spray it in the mixer. You knew it was going to destroy your mixer, but it would make your crossfader cool. So, you know, it was kind of like, listen, I'm going to kill it for about three weeks, and then here comes to static,

and it's time to retire. And you would just sit it on the shelf and let it dry out. By the time it dried out, you could do it all over again. Can I ask you all a question? Yes. And a DJ culture question,

like, what is Philly DJ culture in history mean to hip-hop versus other, Well, of course people would say New York, but what do y'all think that it really means to the culture? Well, that leads to my next question, because I think that yes or no, did you invent the Transformer Scratch? I don't give that, if I had to give that credit to anybody,

I would give that credit to DJ Spinbad, the original Spinbad who used to DJ for Bell Bed to Bo. Yeah. He's from Philly, too. He was the first person to do something that sounded like that. there was no name. He was doing it with the up and down.

It was no rhythm to it. But he was the first person that did it forward and did it backwards. And then basically it was kind of like... And then did the light bulb go off in your headlight? Oh, completely. But you know what it was when you think about it? What Graham was the theater invented,

you took and you said, okay, Flash added some rhythm to it. You know what I mean? Okay. Who decided to use the crossfader and cut the scratch on and off? Like, it was all of these add-ons that people did. So when he did it, it was kind of like, okay, he did it.

That was dope. But he didn't put any kind of rhythm to it. Like everybody, you know, everybody's rhythm is syncopated. Nobody was that-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Like everybody's that, that, that, that, that, that. Okay, so see, that right there. So if I was to say without Philly DJ's hip-hop would be what, it would be something like that. Like, it would be like, technique is something that Philly is.

Definitely invented. Technique. Yeah. Like most people credit, spin bed, you cash money. There's a fourth one. We don't play.

What? Ms. Miss. I would say that. Well, okay, I'll ask you, who,

without hurting people's feelings, who's in your Mount Rushmore? Oh. You're already there. Who's? Now, is this Mount Rushmore? in Philly or just in general. Oh, Philly.

Cash, absolutely. Crazy thing, it would be Cash, Grand Master Nell, and Cosmic Kev. Well, I knew you was going to say Kev, but I was, that's, wow, that's awesome. Like, and it's funny. Kev on the low is still my idol.

Listen, Kev, Kev. You want my balls, Kev? I'm sorry. I got to say that. Kev was incredible. Cosmic Kev was the fastest DJ ever heard in my life. Yeah, his finger game is. Like, he was, he was, he was,

He was incredible. Like I like we get mad at Kev because Kev don't be Kev no more. And I'm like, come on, dude. I know you got that shit in you. That don't ever go nowhere. Wait, he doesn't do it anymore? He ain't challenged. I ain't saying like that.

I'm saying like, listen, like I said, I get mad that this generation of people who know Cosmic Kev don't know the Cosmic Kev that I know. Oh. You know what I mean? Like, you know, Kev, Grand Master Nell, like everybody kind of had something. And it was, you know, and it was really dope because, you know, when Kassman, wasn't necessarily from Philly. Cass was from Yaten. And, you know, we brought Cash into Philly and introduced him to all of the promoters

and all the rest of that. Wait, you don't consider Yaden? Well, well, I do. Okay. I do. I mean, you know, it's kind of like you, you kind of count Sharon Hill as Philly. Yeah, okay. Back in the day, in the 80s, we used to think that was a suburb.

Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I get it. But, you know, but, you know, like, you know, Nell used to bring us to South Philly, because you wouldn't go to South Philly without knowing somebody. You weren't damned trying to go down there and DJ. So you can go into different territories.

Listen, it wasn't like that. Like, listen, I remember Kev bringing me to Mount Airy to DJ at a block party and someone snatched this guy's glasses right next to me. He had a pair of Neil Stiles on just like I did. And they snatched his glasses and didn't snatch mine because I was up there with Kev. Fuck, I forgot.

You grew up in the era of snatching gazelles. What? Listen, gazelle, space invader hats. I remember all, it was rough. Oh, yeah, the, the cone. It was rough. Yo, I forgot about that era. It was rough, you know.

And understand, I needed glasses. So my shit wasn't for show. Oh, shit. You had transitions before we even had transitions. Listen. So somebody snatched my glasses. I don't know if I'm going to be able to find. I got robbed, too, and somebody took my gazelle.

They took my glasses, took my sneaks. What? Yeah. At a gig? No. Listen, I was coming home. Coming home. And you saw it.

You saw the whole thing being set up. We were walking. Across. Someone comes across the street. What, no, you know what's funny is I was with a friend of mine, and we stopped and was talking to this girl. And these two guys walked past, and they walked back past. So it's kind of like the second pass was kind of like, that's when you kind of cut

your eye. And the third pass, they came back. And we kind of looked at each other. Like, okay, you know what this is. So as they walked left, left. We walked right. And what he did is he looped around and came through the alley and jumped out the alley with a gun.

It was just like, give me your glasses. And I just repeated everything that he said because it was in broad daylight. So he's like, give me your glasses. I was like, give me a glasses. Give me my chain. Because I'm like, I'm stalling because my man broke. He broke. I mean, listen, I wasn't mad.

Shit, he had a gun. I ought to broke too. Damn it, Will. No, I'm playing. I'm playing. But he broke. And, you know, I. I was two seconds away from like, okay, he doesn't look too confident with his gun.

So I'm about to sucker punch the shit out of him and run. And what happened then his man came up. So now I was two people. So I was kind of like, okay, all right, let me just give you my glasses and get me my watch. And they got caught. Oh, they did? Long story short, he came to court with my sneakers on. You lie.

Listen, you remember how you used to lace the sneakers up? Yes. That how one side would be red and one side would be blue. Right. I knew how to lace my sneakers up like that. Oh, two New York Sioux strings in the same shoe. Yes. I knew how to lace my sneaks up that this whole side will be red, this whole side will be blue.

He came in the sneakers that he robbed me in. I let the judge know. He said they were his sneakers. I told him, take the laces out and let him lace them up. And did he do it? And he couldn't do it. Wait, the judge made him do it? Oh, the judge made him do it.

He couldn't do it. And it gave me the sneakers back and I took the sneaks and threw them in the trash. It's just like, I just don't want you to have them. Yeah, that would be such a great episode of CSI or L.A. Law or something. Like, you're so old. L.A. Law. Whatever. Whatever.

Whatever. You know what I'm talking about. Yo. You said L.A. law. I love that. No, I get it. That is. You should sell that episode.

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I got a cup. I didn't get a belt. Was it the very first one? No. No, it wasn't the first one. But I got a cup. What year did you win yours? 86.

Okay. And how many years were they in existence? Oh, man. It was there for a couple of years before that. But it was funny because when I got in, 50% of the DJs were mixers. So they got really, really mad at me because I kind of changed the whole landscape of the DMC. So before you came, what was it? Listen, the dude was playing and he, I need love.

And he's mixing the next record. And I came in like, like, last dance. Last dance. And it was just like, we can't keep up with that. What's the DMCs? Disco Mix Club. Yo, I never knew that's what DMC stood. Is that like the scene in juice, right?

The disco mix puck. It's like juice. But so you're saying that before you came in, before you came in, it was just about who had the hottest mix in five minutes? Pretty much. Who were the previous winners before? I don't know. So who was going up against you now? I want to say, well, because it was two, it was the new music seminar and it was the disco mix called.

Disco Mix Club. I remember Van D.C. was in it. And there was a couple other D.J's. I think Wiz Kid was in it. I don't know the mixer, the mixer guys. Is there a Zs-A cheese from Philly as well? He's not from Philly. He's from Philly. He was in the New Music Seminar with him.

He was the DMC world champ at the time. And how did you defeat him? What do you mean, how? I was better. But you know what? Like, listen, and he's cool. You know, I love that brother. It was just funny at that point in time.

I was never really, I never really considered myself a competition guy. Like, listen, I like, I like to do it. I was just kind of like, damn, I'm really mad that everybody's trying to put this person up against you. It's just like, I enjoy doing this. I ain't playing basketball to win the dunk contest. I just like playing ball. But that was a way to get your name out. So when I got into the new music seminar, being from Philly...

What did you cut with? I did... That was when I did the Border Mansion for Your Mother thing. Oh, yeah. Brought a mansion for my mother. But it was kind of like he... Right before we went on, I went to shake his hand and he didn't shake mine. I was just like, hey, man, what's up?

Good luck. You know, because I was like, man, I like you. You got the King Cut record out. And he didn't... He wouldn't shake my hand. You know, but it was just, it was literally one of those things that I'm kind of like, listen, the equipment was messing up. I realized that nobody was using their own needles. Nobody was using.

I won that with technology because the equipment that everybody was using, everybody lost on the side. Like it was two setups. The setup on the left, everybody lost because it was jumping. And when he didn't shake my hand, I deliberately walked to the left. left side. To make sure. To make, you know, I was like, no, I'm going to show you that I'm going to show you completely. And I reached my bad.

Wait, you purposely took the bad side. Like Will was pissed off because everybody was like, when you go up there, go to the right side. And I walked up and went to the left side. And I reached in my bag and I put my own needles on. I had some ADC needles with quarters on top. And I reached and I put my wax paper on. And I put my record on.

And the funny thing, which Steve was going to kill me, I reached in my bag. And while everybody was looking, I took the long straw and said, shh, and sprayed that crossfader. And as soon as it got loose, I went my headphones and I tested the left turntable and I tested the right one. And I looked out at the crowd at Will and I was like, and he knew. Jiffy lubed that motherfucker. That's it. So wait a minute. Like none of those DJs even thought or knew to weight their shit or balance?

None. Only you were doing that. Just me. And once I knew, I was kind of like, I'm good. And I started breaking stuff down, doing rhythm scratches with job rhythm scratch, and, you know, just stuff that people hadn't seen a herd before. And that's how you won. That was it. I see.

All right. I got to get to your production phase. I know. Jeff is like, we're going to have to have them back for a whole amount of episodes. I'm like production phase. I told you before he got here. I was like, I don't know how we're going to do this. This is a two-parter that's waiting to happen.

I'm not stopping the story. Oh, no, I'm just, I'm not trying to stop. I'm just saying, I see. But let's go, you know, we're going to come back. And then we're going to make him come back again. Yes. Okay. So how did you partner with Will?

You know, everybody had a rap group. Everybody had an emcee. had a DJ. Wait, before I asked that, how did, I heard a mixtape once of you battling Victor DuPlay. You mean Victor Cook?

No, Vic the Dick. It wasn't. Who put that mix tape online? It wasn't a battle. It was people just recorded, but it was kind of like, people used to do calling responses with records. But I thought he was your record dude.

No, like, you know, Vic, Vic was the young guy that used to come over the house and I would show him stuff. Yeah, but then what happened with this thing like, you're a battle with Jazzy Jeff and Vic the dick? No. And how did he ever get that title?

What happened was Vic went on at a central high party, and as a joke, he took a jab at me with records, because we're all cool. Right. He took a jab at me with records. So it was kind of like, okay, you're going to take a jab at me. You don't understand that I got this laundry list of things that I can do to you. And ICE, my emce at the time, was the one.

that was like Vic the Dick. So now to show you, because it came out on a mixtape, you don't get a chance to see what actually happened. You only hear it. So everybody's like, oh, my God, you killed Vic. And it was like, it wasn't like that. Oh, y'all was just joking on stage. Yeah.

Can I give a Millennium footnote real quick to all the millennials, Vic the Dick, aka Victor Cook, aka Victor DuPlay. You may know him from a party called Kiss and Grind. Yeah. There we go. The God of Kissing Grine. Yes. That's coming from the century.

And one of the producers, one of my favorite, about do songs, Eric Green Eyes, I always like to throw that in there. Yeah. Victor Cook. Victor. I'm a call him Cook. I'm gonna call him Cook. I'm gonna call.

No, he, so wait, actually, you mentioned something very crucial. For Philadelphia hip-hop heads, the high school jams, how were they booked? Because those were like on level of college jams. But you know what? All of the DJs were from Central High. Like, Vic went to Central. Where did you go to high school? I was in Bartram.

But I was... You went to Bartram? Yeah, I was out of school by then. Oh, I thought you were overbooked out. But it was just kind of like, I got booked because of my affiliation with Vic and everybody else, so, you know... But was there an agent that just had y'all going to high school? No.

An agent. Bobby dance? Oh, man. 60th and LaTone Street. Go to get your money. But y'all can't work, and then, you know, I thought an agent was a guy that, you know, did these things. No, you just, you know, you know,

You knew the guy who was throwing a party and you wanted to kind of be his favorite because he would, you know, and then if he knew that people followed you, you know, they would book you. But you never desired to be on like Lady B Street beat on Power 99 or like,

like what was your goal? Not the radio DJ. You know what? I didn't know. I didn't know. Like this was weird because this was at a point in time when I'm out of school and I don't tell anybody that I'm a DJ.

Like what kind of DJ? You know, you were a radio DJ then. So, you know, my mom's friends come to, oh, Jeff, you're out of school. What are you doing now? You kind of like, I'm a DJ. No, no. You didn't, okay, okay. It's kind of like, what are you doing now?

It's like, I'm a DJ. And you don't tell somebody, I do block parties and, you know, house parties that I'm setting up on people's washing machines and all of it. Like, that wasn't a viable. So back then, if I wanted to book Jazzy Jeff. Oh, listen, I had my cool cards. And 83 or 80. Yeah, listen, you find your man who worked at the printing store and you would get the card

and then somebody would design it and you would put your home number on it. So in 83, how much could I book you for? Oh, man, I was a cool $35. Oh, Lord. Wait, what? Oh, come on, man.

We was just trying to get money. We was trying to get money to go to McDonald's on 40th Street. It's not like a costy show episode. At Penn State. That's it. University of Penn. Like, you wasn't getting money like that.

I got to pay you $250 to... Man, I wish somebody paid me $250. But you was wearing EKs and your kids. was right. I mean, listen, because I had a job. I worked at Roy Rogers. Okay, there we go. You worked at where? Which Roy Rogers? On Friday Street. How do you think I know about it? I lived in that Roy Rogers.

Come on. I was, I was the chicken cook. Makes a lot of sense now, don't it? You, yes, it totally does. There you go. Oh, my God. This totally makes sense. This absolutely makes sense now. Wait, you worked at that Roy Rogers? Yes.

Dude, I guarantee you I've 65 of all my nutrition intake. Roy Rogers was a shit. I worked at the Roy Rogers, and then I moved up the street and started working for Steve's ice cream. Steve's ice cream on...

Yeah. With the mixing, man, I was the king of the mix-ins. So y'all knew each other, but y'all didn't know each other? I guarantee you I ran into Jeff without a million times. Asking for some free ice cream, he's like, no, I only know you. All right, wait, let me bring the mood down real quick. Side note, Philadelphia tribute, Gary Hydenick used to...

Oh, damn, you got to... started frowning already. Gary Heidnick would often lure his women inside of that, Roy Rogers, on 40th Street. Really? To do what? What do they do? Who is he? What do you do? Gary Hydenick was sort of R.

Who's Milwaukee? Yeah. I hate to do that noise. Yeah. In a nice silence and lamb, dude. Oh, shit. He was eating them? Who's Milwaukee? Yeah, yeah. Not David Banner. David Banner. But David, he got killed in jail.

David. Oh, this is that. Corresh? No. No. The blonde. The guy who ate everybody. Yeah. He liked it.

He liked it. He liked it. Fuck his name. We had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, a look it up. A good up now. A version of that in Philly. I didn't know he. And he lived the 8th and Butler at that.

And he ate them. Wow. God, you're Philly people. Y'all have such history. He used the Fixins bar to, Jeffrey Dommer. Jeffrey Dommer. So Gary. Haydick was our Jeffrey Dahmer.

Side note, at his trial, you know it was key, hip hop history, you know it was a key witness at his trial, at Gary Hodnick's trial, said G. From ultramagnetic? For some weird, weird reason, either said G used to talk

to this girl in Philly, but he lived, crashed in North Philly, uh, 806, 87. Like between his ultramanetic gears or whatever, but he had to, for some reason,

he was testifying in that Gary Heidding truck. Yeah, that's a little weird. Yeah. Why did I just bring the mood down? No, no, no, no, it's fine. Tasty. You just completely destroyed my Rory Roger days. I gave, oh, man, Gary, wow, I fixed him chicken.

This is not funny. Jeff's killer. chicken. I heard chicken good. So, yeah, from doing those those central

this is weird because this actually takes us back to the beginning of this conversation with pleasing yourself musically and serving the crowd musically.

I've noticed that there's sort of a running theme with most of the guests that are on QLS in which high-pressured DJed scenarios make better producers. Jimmy Jam would often talk about having to DJ for 2000 kids in Minnesota, but that made him more in tune to become Jimmy Jam. And of course, Dr. Dre, his story is that, you know if you played the wrong record you could get shot yeah i know that part so i don't know i feel like i'm in such a privileged era because like my celebrity allows me to do silly shit like i can

play a sesame street record if i want to and it's like ah i course loves you know i'll play the curly shuffle three stooges shit whatever but it's like how are you able to experiment or is it just like, you know, I got to play the hottest record right now and that's it. No. No. You've got like I assume these gigs are like three to four hours, correct? No. You do three to four hours. I do two. What is that? You can make a point in

two hours? Yes. Like I can make a point however long but one of the most important things is for me to know how long because for me to tell the story I have to end. I get absolutely pissed off. If I am not able to end because every, you know, it has a beginning, a

middle and the end. And you just, once I know how long it is, I kind of know where to go. But how can you tell that story in two hours, though? Because the music is so... It's possible to tell that story in 30 minutes. Like, it all depends, you know, it might not be... See, Elias is making faces now like... It's so easy.

I'm not saying it's easy, but it's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's actually harder to do it in a shorter amount of time. Yes, it's hard as hell. You know, because you don't get a chance to build up. You don't get a chance to kind of get into... to it. You only, so when you do these gigs around the world, it's only for two hours? Yep. Not even three? Well, see, you know what it is? You got to keep in mind. I play really,

really high impact. When you play high impact, you can't high impact people for over two hours. Like, there was so many lessons that I've learned. I remember doing an MSU homecoming, and it was one of those things that I just was hitting them and hitting them and hitting them. And I remember paying attention to this guy. He was a little bit heavy and he was dancing. And it was almost like you were trying to get off the floor. Right. And I keep playing something.

And when I tell you, he was dripping and soaking wet. And it got to a point that I was like, you're not enjoying yourself anymore. Like, you're at a fucking health reason. You're at a point that you're not enjoying. And it was kind of like, wow, Jeff, you know what you have to do? You got to take people on a roller coaster. to ride. You got, like, it's cool to send people to the bar.

You know what I realized in a long time? Like, I didn't come up playing reggae because, like, and I'm going to tell you why, there were so many reggae records. You got, you know, I'm coming from funk, soul, rock, all the rest of this. I couldn't add reggae into my set because it was way too much. And it was so many rhythms that changed that it was just kind of like, you know what, I'm going to leave that to someone else. But what I realized is if I didn't play reggae, people didn't leave who wanted to hear reggae.

Once you get them in, nobody's leaving. That's the first lesson as a DJ that you have to understand. I'm not paying $20 and the DJ suck to the point that I'm going to leave. I'm going to be mad at you, but I'm going to stay. So because I know that you're there, my job is, you know what, if you satisfy everybody in the room for 45 minutes, they walk out saying I had a great time. So it gives me the ability to satisfy three different groups of people

for 45 minutes. Everybody walks out like, yo, he killed it. Because you can't, case and point, how long do people dance at a wedding reception? 20 minutes. Yeah. Topps. Yeah.

Everybody get on the floor with the bride and the grooms. you boom boom boom boom boom and it's kind of like okay cut the cake and we're out yeah and I'm good like we're not at the you know this ain't dance iteria because people who went to those marathon dance things they went there to dance all night that's not the average club the average club is I'm a drink I'm a find a girl and I'm a dance it's not it's not the whole thing and as I'm just going to say as the person dancing on the floor we appreciate the break to go get the drink to not mess up your hair and sweat your hair out and shit and be like, oh good, you're gonna let take

oh good, I can breathe for a second. Like, we just appreciate it. You know, what, it's funny you said about reggae because I feel as though reggae is the one genre that will never die and that is universally loved by everyone. My first 10 records are always the reggae records

because I have to test the room. That's the one like murder she will will never die in my lifetime. So that's usually like my first record and with the stuff that Drake is doing now that's sort of like close to that. All that stuff blends together.

It fits in. So using my first 10 records of that and it buys me time to see now it's weird because I used to be the DJ that like came out the box. Hit, hit, hit, hit. But then I learned like after 17 there's fatigue. Yeah.

And then I started feeling myself to the point where I got off with playing the worst shit ever No, only because I knew what I had around the corner. But how great is that feeling? I tell people, it's amazing if I got 2,000 people in front of me and I know I got you, I know what the next five records are going to do to you. Right. Like, you don't know.

Like, I'm sitting there like, oh, my God. Like, Fest, when we were in Africa, because I have this thing that I play the original of Annie up, the Soul Sister. So you know it's fast. So you know, Dun, dun da da da da da da da da.

And soul sister. So everybody's kind of have this look because it's kind of like, you just change the tempo. Like it's almost like, damn, did he fuck up? And I'm playing it. And you got to sell it.

Like we're selling it. If that's over there dancing, dang dancing. And when it morphs into it, the look on everybody's face of, oh shit. Oh, and it's,

pandemonium. But so when I dropped that, I'm excited because I'm kind of like, I'm looking at the dude just kind of like, what's he doing? And I'm like, and I'm just staring straight in his face. Just wait. Because you know, Annie Up is kind of like with all the ladies

at for, yeah, that's the Beyonce for dudes. It is. So it's kind of like, I'm sitting there like, okay, go ahead, stand it with that stone face. And then he loses his mind. Oh, absolutely.

Okay, so listen, just in closing, because I also want to get, listen, you said for the record, we are doing part two. Okay, but part two, part two gonna be real long too. We're talking touching jazz, we're talking. We gotta get to the production stuff. All right. And then, but I do want to talk about the M3 project. Explain to me how it came to be and you infested.

I wanted this to be the last installment of the Magnificent Series, not the last record that I'm going to do. The Magnificent Series was always a trilogy to me. I wanted to be The Magnificent Return of Magnificent M3. I needed to let the music industry kind of get completely out of my way. There's certain shit that just didn't make sense to me that I wanted to kind of fix. You know, the first thing that I fixed was having your own studio because now I can control a creative process.

I can make whatever I want. Nobody can tell me that. I just didn't have it down to how to release your music and get it to everybody. So social media and just the changing world that we live in allowed all of that to happen. And that's why it was 11-year gap between the return of the Magnificent to this one. But I also wanted to do a record because I made the mistake by making the prototypical, let me have all of these guests on my record only to realize that there's no way humanly possible that we're ever going to do a show.

Isn't that frustrating? Yes. Wow. So it just got to a point that it was kind of like, listen, I'm, you know, as many dates as we're doing, how can I make this record to the point that we can go out and support it? And actually promote it. But did you do that with the other magnificent song?

Oh, listen, I had Method, Man, C.L. smooth. Yeah, everybody. You know, it was just kind of like, yeah. So this will never be live. That's what I meant. Yeah, like did they tour with it? They never tore with it. Ever.

Yeah. The first joined you at Eminem and Slim. Slum Village and all this. So, you know, it was kind of like, you know, me and Dane have been on the road for six, seven years. I've made, Fess was on the return of the Magnificent. The funny thing was when I made the return of the magnificent, my son Amir was five.

Right. So, you know, it was all, and then just sitting down kind of piecing it together, you know, I was kind of like, listen, you know what I want to do? First of all, I want to bring back the era of Cold Crush. I want to bring back the era of Trude. try bring back the era of de la soul of emcees growing back and forth with each other.

Because one of the things that I realized, especially being a DJ, is when you've been around doing a cycle, when A.M. and I would DJ together, and we would do two by four sets, which basically both of us are playing at the same time, people would lose their mind. And I'm like, I did this 25 years ago with cash money. Like, it's not new. Wait, you DJed with cash money before? Yeah, we would do two by four style. I never knew that. Yeah. That's why I never asked the question.

Yeah, we would do that. But it's just, what it did is it kind of let me know, when you have, when the cycle has repeated itself, everything starts over. You know, it's kind of like the person who's like, oh, my God, Transformers. And you kind of like, oh, wow, you completely missed the cartoon, huh? Yeah. Like, you think it started now. So it's from knowing that from the DJ side, I'm kind of like, you know, Migos don't,

actually tag team when they rap. They're not doing De La Sola Cold Crush stuff. So no one understands about that. So I was like, yo, I'm just reinventing the wheel that what I think is really dope is I have three generations of emcees that I have Fess, who's 40, Dane, who's 20, and Amir, who's 18. But they all are emcees. They all spit.

And you can hear their different perspectives in the songs. I was listening to it. I was like, this is kind of dope, like three different men. Because it's kind of like, oh, man, you know, is it that this? Is this? It's kind of like, I hate categorizing music. I got two categories.

It's good music and bad music. I don't care. The genres, all the rest of that shit, because, you know, you were going to entire records and you couldn't find the shit that you wanted because you classified it as one thing and they classified it as something else. And I just kind of wish that the entire store was in alphabetical order. Because I could probably find everything that I wanted. Faster, right.

So it's just, it wasn't genre specific. You know, I took two weeks. And we came in and we made all of the music. All of the music on the album is live instrumentation. And I did it in a way because it was kind of like, okay, you know, I don't necessarily want you to know. I want you to feel the music. I'm not, I don't want you to dissect it.

And then invited Dane, Rhymeh, and Amir to come in and Aaron Camper. And we, you know, recorded all of the vocals and it was like that was it. Shout out to Aaron Camp. Yes. Shout out to Aaron Camper. Maryland represent. So I'm about to say. And then we cheat because traveling around the world, if you watch any of the videos that we put out, we cheat and shoot videos in all of the places that we go.

So the first video, Skaters Paradise, which is actually about traveling around the world and how some people would rather spend $1,000 on a strip of the dance instead of spending $1,000 on a trip to Japan. You know, we cheat it and shot the video. all over the world. That's good business. That's good business. Good business. Well, Jeff, I'm holding you to, yes, to part two. We have two extra episodes to do it.

We have to do Jeff, and then Ryan Fest, he got to come back and he got to do his own episodes. Absolutely. And talk about how he'd be trying to save the world and shit. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I take Fest around the world with me because he saves the world as we go. True indeed.

I believe it. I don't, I've never been that person. that just kind of ventures off. And we would come down and I would say, dang, where's Fess? And he was like, I don't know. At a church commission. And Fess would just be like,

yo, I just got with some people and they took me out in Kenya. And I'm kind of like, yeah, I wouldn't have did that. But Fess comes back and, listen, we were in Bali and Fess came back after being gone all day that we almost about to send a search party out. And Fess was like, yeah,

I went to a brothel and I was sitting outside talking to three prostitutes and a cop. Yes. And he had like a five-hour conversation, but came back with the entire information on the country of Bali. Indonesia. You better correct him. Tomato is tomato potato potato. Potato.

Potato. So, yeah, you know, fest is our cultural attach. Yeah. How's Obama doing? I just figure you know him. Well, you know, actually we're having some issues in Chicago. Because, you know, they got the Obama Library that's coming to the South Side. It's a $500 million project.

It's going to project it, $3 billion for the south side of Chicago. But Obama, who was a community organizer, wouldn't sign a community benefits agreement and that community benefits agreement that makes sure people don't get Harlemed out and Brooklyn out. You know what I mean? Like when you see what's happening in New York, It's coming to your neighborhood soon. I'm from D.C., so trust it, I know. But did it already happen in Chicago?

The city council voted on it today and pushed it through. And so, like, you know, basically, you know, the preachers and Obama, they got to get like, it's Obama. Just trust them. And the community is like, hold on, wait, this is $3 billion. We need this in writing. And they're like, nah, you're not getting it in writing. A lot of times, too, you know, what's interesting when you, this is what black people got to be careful of. when we make big money and do big projects,

who's in the middle of us in the community? It's always the middle man. And he usually don't look like the man is in the... And he don't look like the one at the bottom or at the top sometimes. You kind of look like Steve. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. I mean, Steve, cool.

He's quiet. No, he is, but I just meant right now. Hey, I'm going to get him an endorsement deal with WD40 in, okay? You know what? But you know, I ain't got to spray my mixes no more because now they got a knob to make it tight or loose. Lesson learned. I heard you Ron Fess over there.

Watch out for the middle man. You know. He talks to rich people. I'm not there yet. But for you and Jeff, y'all should watch out for the middleman. If you see a rich person, let me know.

I'm saying. I didn't say wealthy. At least rich, come on, Negroes. Don't try to play a player. Rich and culture. I got to wind this episode so I can go to my job. You can be rich with a job. Goodbye.

I can't. Look, I'm just paying all my mama house. That's all I'm doing. Oh, my God. Okay. They broke. Listen, on behalf. DJ Jazzy Jeff, Ron Fess, Sugar Steve, Fontegolo, and his countertops.

Oh, man, I love Fonte, man. We speak like twice a week. Yeah, he real salty that. He didn't, yeah, he real salty. Is he? Yeah. Is he, though, with his countertops? Exactly.

I feel you. I feel you. I feel you. But Ron Fet's coming back, so there you go. There you go. All right. And also, unpaid bill on Sesame Street and boss bill. Aville.

Steve. Yeah, everyone. This is Questlove Supreme. And this is Questlove, only on Pandora. We will see on the next go round. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, you hate to hear it happen,

but, you know, that's part one of the great Jazzy Jeff. Stay tuned for part two, where we get more stories of his life with Will Smith, making records, DJing, making music, following his passion.

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