The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Jemele Hill Part 2

Episode Date: February 26, 2024

In celebrating Black History Month, listen back to part 2 of a 2020 interview with the game changing Jemele Hill. In part 2 we dive into some of Jemele's favorite things, from Detroit to MJ and why local politics matter, to her top 5 albums of all time — which has some familiar names.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yo, what's up? This is Fontigolo from Team Supreme. We are celebrating Black History Month at QLS and releasing new weekly interviews with some incredible guests from film and music. In the meantime, we've selected some special classic episodes as well, which we run on Mondays. This classic two-part of QLS is from September 2020, and it is with The Incredible My My Homi, my friend, Jamel Hill. Jamel is not only someone I call a friend. She's one of the most important voices in sports, where she always leaves in art, politics, and social issues, and we love her for it.

Please make sure you heard part one before you check this in your feed. In part two, Jamel talks about some important basketball history. We have a deep dive discussion remembering Detroit's hip-hop mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, and we get Desert Island Top Five albums, which has a couple surprises. I know it surprised me. Y'all enjoy this episode, man. We did. Jamela's the homie. This was a lot of fun.

It's KLS. Peace. One Detroit story I've been dying to know. Ooh. That I haven't asked anyone well-versed in sports or from the area is, where were you on November 19th, 2004, malice at the palace. Malice at the palace.

Oh, man. I knew if you were going here, I was like, it's going to probably be about malice for the palace. Yeah, there is no sport, besides Jordan highlight real films on YouTube. I watch that religiously.

Like I know every frame of that brawl. Yeah. Okay, so Malice at the palace, what was this? So malice at the palace was It was a scrap Like you know now they're calling NBA fight something You're like These just two motherfuckers backpedaling

Like this ain't a fight No malice at the palace is why You don't see scraps in the NBA anymore Have you seen this Fonte? I've never seen it I didn't know what it was I don't know if they No no no no no no no no

They didn't show it This is by far the worst fight I've ever seen in NBA history Yeah it's magical You'll have to text him the footage Because it's like completely magical It's going to be its own 30 for 30 episode. I feel it.

Well, I don't think it will. The only reason something I learned... Well, something I learned at ESPN is that the NBA is extremely strict about... It's a reason you don't see Malice from the Palace footage, like, ever. Like, you see it in the Pistons dock. I think you saw it in there. I'm not saying the bad boys join. I feel like it coming in the bad boys.

It might have been in there, but like you don't really see it because the NBA does not allow clearance of the footage. of that. Because I remember when I was, yeah, when I was at the, when I was at ESP and it was the five-year anniversary and it was some things I wanted to do with talking about the fight and I couldn't do them because the NBA would not give ESPN permission to do this. So they try to pretend like this did not happen. I mean, we don't know what happened. It's like Isaiah Thomas, like Pistons, like.

No, no, this was this was the Pistons era with Rip Hamilton and Ben Wallace, Tashon Prince, Rashid Wallace. Oh, Rosh. Oh, yeah. So what happened was this is like Indiana at this point, because I know it's hard to look at the Pistons now because we're so shitty, but yes, we actually used to be a very good basketball team in the early 2000.

When Martin was on. Sorry. Before that. Well, actually, I was like, before that. They were champions that year. They won the championship in 2003. Yeah, they won the championship at 2004. What happened was, is that Indiana and Detroit were rivals.

You know, the Pistons went to six straight Eastern Conference finals. Indiana was the other team. jockeying for the position. And basically, you know, the Pacers had kind of had a very statement win. It was on national TV. Statement win at the palace, whooped the pistons whole entire ass, like beat their ass. And the last maybe minute of the game, it might have been maybe like the last 30 seconds. Rod Artes decides he is going to not only have a statement win, he like, we're going to win the game and the fight.

So he has been egging on Ben Wallace this entire game. You know, Bill Wallace, rated defensive player the year. He's one of them country strong brothers. Like, this dude is unbelievable. So went to McNeese State. Like, he with the bullshit, right? So, you know, he had been needling him the whole game. And Ben has, like, got a quiet demeanor.

He had enough. So he just, he shoved Ron Artax. And Ron Artec decides to go over, you know, because that's what he does. He agitates people. Ron Artax, you know, they teeing up being, you know, players getting into each other faces, but no biggie. Ron Artax goes over to the scores table and decides to lay down. Just lay down flat across the score's table.

On the scores table. Right? And so he's laying down on the scores table. And out of the stands comes a beer that hits him while he's on the scores table. And Ron Artez, it took him about 0.5 seconds before he got up, charged into the stands, and beat the shit out the wrong fan. He didn't beat the shit out of the dude. The right one.

The right one that threw the beer. Because he didn't get to him. He got to this one dude. And then next thing you know, the fans jump in, they jump in him. Then the players from the Pacers, they go into the stands. And Stephen Jackson goes right up into the, because Stephen Jackson was Ron Artecest's teammate. So you all know how Stephen Jackson, Captain Jack, get down. He does not fuck around either.

Like, it was a whole bunch of people from the not fucking around crew on two teams. And that's what, so they in the stands, fighting the stands. Meanwhile, fans decide to come onto the floor. And I'm sure this is probably Quest's favorite part. There's one fan came up to the store. And I swear to God, Jermaine O'Neill almost ended his life. Yes. He's all about five foot five. He's going to roll up on 611 Jermaine O'Neill and he got the two piece, the biscuit, the sides, and a large high sea orange. He got all of it. Oh, yeah. To watch the bitch you down with, you know what? To make sure he cleansed his palette. He got all that. So you are just seeing

pockets of asswhip has happened all around the arena. So when you go back and watch the footage, you could literally watch a different ass whipping every time. Oh my God. It's just unbelievable. They removed it from YouTube, y'all? They might have because the NBA is, again, very protective about this footage. I think they

showed this on the Jordan last dance. No, no, they didn't. It wasn't on the last dance. It was on the last dance. So really what happened was that wound up, honestly ruining the Pacer's domination at the time, you know, because

they handed out, Ron Artes got the largest suspension, non-drug suspension in NBA history. You know, he was gone for the rest of the season. Germain O'Neill, they gave him like 60 games. He might as well have been gone for the season. It completely tore apart their entire team. So

yeah, to answer your question about where I was, I actually, I was a sports reporter then, but I was covering college football and basketball. I was I was in Happy Valley. I was at Penn State. Oh, wow. I was at Penn State, yeah.

Yeah, I was at P.N. State. And we were watching at a bar, and I'm sitting there watching, like, what the hell just happened? And not surprisingly, people use this as an opportunity to take a lot of shots at Detroit, because clearly we have a reputation for being a violent city, much like a lot of major urban cities. But what I had to constantly remind people and what they didn't say, the Palace of Auburn Hills, what has happened, is a good hour from Detroit.

it's in the richest county in Michigan. Black folks were not going to, like all the people you see getting their ass whoop, the only person who got their ass whip that was black in this was Fred Jones who was on the Indiana Pacers. His brother got his ass beat down by Bill Wallace's brother, Black on Black Crime at his finest. That's the only black people.

You didn't see no black people running up on Ron Artax. You didn't see any black people. Didn't know black people throw shit. We didn't do shit. That was not our shit, okay? that was some white folks acting a fool okay and they were about to get to test their skills exactly now I will say this I am thankful it did happen at the palace which again is in a very suburb because if that had happened at the city it would have been people waiting outside

dog this uh uh-uh you got to understand how we do it in the D now let that no where that shit might have been something else okay that would have been a tragedy and not just that ass with it because like we don't play that shit and so yeah i knew ron artes was a different dude when like i did i'm not i wasn't a sports fan at all i knew ron was a different nigger when i heard his michael jackson tribute song okay i don't know if you remember michael michael michael you my dick ah i don't remember you made this up that did not i'm not making this up google ron artes michael jackson tribute i'm googling this right now he released it like The day after Michael Jackson died

and it was like, what the fuck? Michael, Michael, Michael, you my nigga. I'm not lying about this. Ron, Tess. Yes. I thought you would have knew this, Amir, the way you like to play like, bad cover songs and shit.

He just found it. Oh, God. Oh, wow. Michael, Michael, Michael, you, my nigga. And the fact that you know the chorus is ending me right now. Ending me. That's how I know Ron Artes.

I mean, I knew when he became metal world peace, right? Is he still that name now? Well, he's still a man to. He thought he still met a world. MWP. Well, what I was leading to, well, one was where were you at when it happened?

But Detroit has such, I know like, yes, the Philadelphia that always had to face Boston. Yes, I can attest to the fact that many a racial moment at the hands of Boston fans have occurred. and, you know, I've seen it. But I'll say that Detroit probably has the second most intense fan base next to Philadelphia, which Philadelphia is, yeah.

I was like, no, I don't know. No, but it's, well, okay, maybe as a team, not the fans. We are the worst fans of all time. But is it necessary for you guys to always be like the bad boys of, of sports. Yeah. It's a, and basketball is something

we wear with honor because understand that when the bad boys were winning, we interrupted a narrative that was going on in the NBA. At that time, it was supposed to be

Magic and Larry Bird. That was the error, right? That was the rivalry. That was the rivalry. And then here comes Isaiah Thomas out of nowhere, having a nerve to win back-to-back titles.

And because of the brand of basketball that Detroit was playing, and let's not get a Twitter, People act like, I see many eclips where Kevin McHale was lumping motherfuckers up. I saw many eclips with Robert Parrish. The worst. Thank you. Robert Parrish, I mean, you know, he's sitting up there just almost damn near macho man,

Randy Savage and people, like all the time. But we were the ones who got the reputation because I think it went hand in hand to generally what people thought of the city. You know, Detroit has always had this reputation of being not just a violent city, but a city that nobody gives a fuck about. Like Detroit people just don't deserve nice things. That's just been the general attitude. Like we're not cool like Chicago.

Water, not nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're not cool like Chicago. We're not cool like New York. We're not cool like L.A. They murder rates look like ours. But people love these cities because they think they're so cool and trendy. And with Detroit, we're treated like a stain on this country.

Motown. That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, even though Motown obviously gave you, you know, one of the greatest black empire. of all time, the reality is that that's always been our lot in life. And because of that disrespect, I think our general conditioning tells us, okay, oh, y'all think we ain't shit? Well, we're going to act as ain't shit as possible.

And so that was always, you know, kind of the thing with the bad boys. They were taking on very much the character of the city, like a hard, scrappy. Oh, you think we're bad. All right, we'll show you crazy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like you think we're bad boys? Okay, let's see what we'll show you what we're about. And we knew that, you know, truly the campaign started into Detroit, Detroit versus everybody. That's our mentality. And that translated to a lot of our sports teams, but the Pistons in particular because, you know, the black identity is kind of tied up in that mindset that we all we got, CMB, we all we got.

Right. Because of that, that's why you'll find that a lot of Detroiters take an unusually high amount of almost delusional pride in the city. When you run into anybody from Detroit, you're like, damn, don't. Yes, that's how we are. You know, and so for that, you know, I think the way that city having that character certainly is something that whenever I've run into. to obstacles or whatever, it's that character that was kind of infused in me early being from this city that has really helped me

weather a lot of different things in my life. It's like, you know, we're just tough. We just built different. No, y'all got a chip. My man Zoe, my production partner, Zoe, he's Detroit. And talking to him. Yeah, Zoe is Detroit. Yeah.

I thought it's something about the DMV. I don't know. Well, he's been there for like the past, you know, 12, 13 years, I've alone. But, but not, Detroit is home for him. But being around him, he just explained to me, I kind of got that mentality. Like, everything you say in your middle is just, Detroiters, you just kind of have that chip on your shoulder. Like, it's just that eternal chip that, you know, you're going to go harder. I'm going to show you.

Like, it's that thing. And it's even different than like a Chicago kind of chip. Like, it's a different thing. But, yeah, but all my, the thing I always like about Detroiters is that you know what it is with them. There's no ambiguity. They love you or they hate you, and you know what it is. And I appreciate that. Yeah.

And we, I mean, we ride for our folks. I mean, you know, anybody from the D or just people that we love that show us love, you know, Isaiah Thomas is from Chicago. But, you know, he can do no wrong in Detroit ever. You know what I'm saying? Because that's our dude. And it's the same, any of those pistons in 04 that got into Malice in the Palace when the whole nation was just throwing shit.

shots at Detroit about, oh, this is what you expect from a violent city? We're like, my fuck, that happened at Auburn Hill. That ain't even us, but fine, we'll claim it. Yeah, that's us. Now what? You know, so it's been a, it's a badge of honor, definitely. Or Detroit. I have a question. Barry Sanders, did you ever get to

meet him, watch and play, interview him, or anything like that? Like I said, I'm 10,000 years old. So so here's the unusualness about my Detroit fandom. The one team, I'm not, a fan of is the Lions. Because it was so damn shitty.

Like you, if you can see in my background, you see this little mini helmet here, that's my husband. He's a Lions fan. Please pray for him. Because he's from Detroit too. I'm a 49ers fan. I'm about to say the Big Helmody. Yes, the big helmet is mine because we actually win things, unlike the Lions. So, to answer your point, though, I mean, you know,

Barry during that time, we talk in late 80s, you know, early 90s. I mean, he was some of the, for the Lions on some of the best teams they've ever had. The thing about Barry is when you meet him, like he's a very soft-spoken, very quiet kind of person, but I don't know if I've seen too many players rupture

more Achilles and tear more knees than Barry Sanders did, trying to tackle that. Yeah. Ask Rob Woodson still looking for his kneecap because of Barry Sanders. Okay? You know, and he could make, I mean, he's the only runner back probably in history that could make a one-yard loss look like the most incredible player.

you have ever seen in your life. And it was an exciting time for Lions fans then because he was such a superstar, somebody who was committed to the city. Barry still lives in Detroit. And that's, yeah, he still lives there. I mean, that's, you know, very beloved.

And that's the people we, that gives us a special kind of pride when it's people that are not even from there, people that as soon as they're done, planned, could leave and they still stay there anyway. I mean, that's just love. Yeah. Yo, okay, that reminds me,

all right, speaking of Detroit, because I don't think me and you never talked about this on your show. What is your Detroit take on Kwami? Oh, dog. I was about to ask, in the middle of her talking about how they ain't breaking and they spent,

I was like, well, shit, that nigger Kwamey definitely made it. Ooh, dog. I mean, that might be the most, that might be the most Detroit nigga ever. I ain't gonna lie. Like, that is. Where is he?

Where is he? In prison. In jail. He did. Did he not just get it? No, they was talking about it for a minute and then they stopped it. You're great. Tell me what.

Christine. Christine Biddy? Is that what you're going to say? Yeah, she ended up was on like a show or something. Yeah, she was about, it was about women who, like they basically tried to pick up their lives and put it back together after something happened. And, I mean, it's a long story, but it's such a women involved with comedy. Is that what you're talking about? Yes.

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That's, I mean, that's just what I remember. I remember text is. text and it's been so long. It's such a hit story. And I was there when all of it unfolded and working at the newspaper that I won a Pulitzer for

for essentially taking him down, you know. So Kwame, yeah, I don't know if y'all remember this, but Kwame was billed, he was on the conversation. The hip hop mayor. The hip hop mayor. It was like, nigger, it's over. When they gave him that title, I'd say, God damn it, here we go. And in five.

Quammy got out there in nine button suits, the Steve Harvey specials. The Steve Harvey, He was, you know what I'm saying? He a proponent of this. And so he, it's a different look. He got an earring in his ear. He had his early 30s. He's the mayor of Detroit, you know, one of the blackest cities in the country. That shit is a recipe for disaster because, because, you know, when you're a mayor, obviously you have, you have, you know, you have power. You have a security detail. You have access. You have access. You got, you got a city credit card. You got all these other things. He went to D.C. and bought the bar out. We had the mayor that was doing stuff like that. It was just, it was just like, it was just so, like, he would give you a professionalism with some hood. And he was like, what, like, I swear to God every Friday.

He started every, like, address with what up though or like. But he did have on, I mean, I'm sure you guys as musicians at some point, you probably had to do an interview or do something with WJLB in Detroit, which is like the big urban station in the D. And he, he had a weekly. segment on JLB called Holla at the Mayor. Really? Yo. That was the original podcast.

No, he didn't. So the movie Head of State with Chris Rock was partly based off Kwikovetri. Like, if this dude could, like, that's what I heard. He was a good mayor or?

No, it was just about the fact of what happens when you just take an adject, abject negro them into a political office and the shenanics. And the shenanics. is they can shoot because it's a long story short this is ultimately the downfall of Kwame Kilpatrick

and it's based off one of the most infamous yet unproven steel stories about what happened during his regime so the urban tale is that and how this all kick started him going down for embezzling city fund the stripper was a stripper at the yeah yes because of course a straight what yes oh no it's a whole thing so the manukian mansion is the mayor-o-o-manion mansion in detroit the Urban legend is that Kwame Kilpatrick threw a party there, a huge party that you talk to be anybody from Detroit. They swear they was there. But nobody knows shit, but they all said he was there.

He threw this party. Wifey goes out of town. Wifey circles back to the party because I don't know. I guess it was like something just ain't right or whatever. She missed her invite. Right. So she circles back, supposedly comes back. And the urban legend is Kwami was there.

It was strippers, his boys, party out of control. she beat up the stripper who who later wound up who was later murdered. Like very shortly after this happened. She was murdered execution style on the street in Detroit. What do you? It's still unsolved. It's still unsolved, right?

So then, you know, this party, like people spent, I mean, investigative reports really tried to uncover, like, did this party take place? Did it not? Whatever happened? Long story short is that he was also having an affair with his deputy, who is Christine Beattie, who is it talking about owner? I think she was like his deputies, she wasn't deputy mayor.

I don't know if she was press secretary. She was one of those positions. And like her kids used to call him Uncle Kwame. Because he was best friends with her husband. He was best friends with her husband. Now this is all on the record. So he had an affair with Christine Beattie. And what happened is dirty Macon.

Dirty Macon. Dirty Macon. It wasn't just a dirty Macon. Macon is that he used city money to continue his dirty dirty Macon. The dirty Macon. So he, some of his security detail figured out that they were having an affair and he was trying to get them to lie for him and do all, you know, like you can't do that, right? And so they he fired one of them. The dude that he fired wound up suing him and

all these part of the evidence was all these text messages. So I'm just trying to figure out how Kwame. Oh and let's be clear. All these text messages on company phones. It wasn't even on their private phone. It was on the city phones. Right. It was on the city phones. Here's a little,

here's a little tip, pro tip that people may not know. We have something called the, the Freedom of Information Act. Right. It's called FOIA for sure. Any public official in government or office, you can put in a FOIA request

and get everything they've written on city whatever, all the text messages. Anything, because anything your local government does, it is public information. Except for this one. But go ahead. It's still a lot.

They may have to sue to get it because some people try to block it. But it's all public information. Like you could go down right now and ask for the mayor's contract or the city contract with the police department. They have to give it to you because it's all public information. So this is reporters. We use this all the time to our advantage. So long story short, these text messages, the free press gets them.

And their text messages not only to Kwame, and Christine Beattie proven that they did indeed have this affair, proven that he did fire this main person in his security detail because he did it out of vindictiveness and vengeance because he wanted him to try to cover up his affair and he wouldn't do it so he fired him. And he wound up suing the city for $11 million. And it was like a whole thing.

These text messages were pure gold. I mean pure gold. Yes, they were. They were. We were clowning him on an okay player, actually. I think we used to read them out. loud on the radio like do like a dramatic interpretation. They're so

unbelievable. And you come to find out you know, it wasn't just Christine Bitty. Like the mayor was out there doing his thing. Just call them. I'm Mac. You know what? Like that. He was out there doing his name. Wait, why you got to sing a Usher song? First back song to hit me. At this time, I would just like to shout to

all the young black mayors who are doing their thing. Asia Brown, I see you in Compton. And Michael Tubbs and California Stockton, I see you as well. Yeah. Oh yeah. And the new mayor of Ferguson, first black Yeah. Yeah. Wait, she's not my Black Lives Matter sister though, right?

It's a Black Lives Matter sister, though, right? No, Corey Bush. That's the one who is, she won a primary and is poised to win a representative seat. But, no, I mean, so it was just abject foolishness. And on top of all the things he was doing, he put his daddy on a city contract that, like, he never made it on. It was just foolish, man. His boy, he allowed him, he had done some reckless shit, and he allowed him to report to jail on the weekends. And it turned out he wasn't even.

report in jail on the weekends. It was like, it was just every dime he could possibly steal he figured out a way to try to steal it. So basically he was the blueprint for Trump. Pretty much. I mean, pretty much. I mean, he hooked up his family

in a very similar fashion. And, you know, Detroit already a broke city. So it's like, dog, we ain't even got shit. And you have stolen everything that wasn't nailed down. So, you know, he's sitting in a jail. Hell yeah, we got it now. Okay.

Yeah, now. Yeah, not back then. Not back then, though. Not that back then. I mean, you know, I mean, there was some, you know, Detroit, that's just like every, like any city, you know, it's right off the waterfront. And Canada's our neighbor. So all that stuff was, you know, they just basically waited on property values to be depressed. And now I go downtown. They got a Lulu Lemon and a Whole Foods and I can't believe it. Thanks. Yeah, and a bunch of white people. Like, now you go downtown Detroit, you're going to

restaurant. You might be the only black person in there, which is crazy to me. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

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Now, I know a lot of that has to do with gentrification. I mean, they're turning on a white mayor now. You know how that shit is. Okay. Well, yeah, I was going to say, like, how do you feel about how Detroit has transformed? Because now things that I've never. seen 20 years ago, like farm to table restaurants. Yeah.

They call it South Toronto now. Luxury, yeah. Luxury, like hotels that were former firehouses or banks. Yes. I know exactly where you stayed. If you stayed at that converted. Oh, all the time. You know, it's so luxurious.

Or is that a flim flam for tourists that just come to downtown Detroit? Meanwhile, the other miles 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. whatever. Yeah, gentrification stops at a certain point. Yeah. So for me, it is, yeah, I'll be blunt. I don't like it. And the reason I don't like it is not because I don't want to see Detroit step into a progression.

And it's not that I don't want my city to do well. I don't like it because for years and years and years, there was a lot of black people, a lot of black business owners who poured their sweat equity into the city of Detroit, into downtown Detroit when we wasn't fashionable to fuck with us. And they got pushed out. because there's not a lot of black businesses down there. You brought up Dilla, his donut spot is one of the few black businesses that were down there. I think it may have closed since, but the donuts weren't really good.

At any rate, so that's the part that I think not just in Detroit, but Oakland, you go to most of the major cities, that's the part that doesn't sit well, is that as soon as they're able to flip the complexion of what the place looks like, then all of a sudden grocery stores. I mean, when I was growing up, the last department, department store, Detroit closed. And it wasn't one downtown for years, years and years and years. And now to see like Under Armour, Nike, all these places coming down.

Everything they need, just walking distance from their condo. Correct. It's like now you got these, you know, million dollar condos and swanky lofts and all that other stuff, which is great. But I look at who's in these buildings, who owns these buildings and who's really benefiting off the sweat equity that people who are real Detroit is put into that. place for years and it's not us. So it's, it's, it's a little hurtful to see. Is the Anthemium still up?

The Athenium. Yep, it's still there. My problem was at the Athenium. I got to say that I believe, I think the Anthemium opened in 97. I believe either 96 or 97. I think it opened before there because my prime was there. And I got to do it in in 93. So, well, they did.

They did something where it was like a total. purpose. Right. And we were like one of the first people stayed there. So it was like a brand new condo. Like it was like a touch of elegance. And then 20 years later, not quite to say. It's like a two star hotel. Yeah. I mean, but they got better. I mean, they got a lot of great places now. Like you mentioned the converted, um, uh, firehouse. And then they got a new joy, the Shinola Hotel, which is like, yeah, unbelievable. Yeah. there too, yeah. Did you ever go to the hip hop shop in your teen years? The spots at Maurice Malone like those. I never went there. A lot of my friends went there. But that's obviously a very legendary place to go into Detroit, much like St. Andrews, which Fonte brought up earlier. Like those were like kind of classic enclaves. I mean, I've seen so many underground, you know,

folks at St. Andrews and even people who became, you know, a really big deal. Like I saw, the first time I saw Jill Scott was at St. Andrews. And she was there. in the middle of a blizzard. And I was like, this woman is incredible. And I think getting in the way wasn't even that hot yet. But the person I was dating at the time was like, oh, you should check her out. Like, she's dope. And he took me to the concert.

And I was like, oh, yeah, I fuck with her. Oh, were. Absolutely. I was going to say, are the folks, like, it seems like there's a nice collective of Detroit folks that have done well for themselves and still are connected to the city. I know Big Sean seems to do a lot for Detroit. Royce the 5-9. Yeah.

I mean, these are all people. I was going to ask you, how connected are folks? Yeah. Yeah, no. You know, I've connected. I did a podcast with Royce, which was great. Like, Royce is just a real dude. Like, love that dude.

Very underrated lyricist. He's great. Daj is great. Big Sean. Like, when Black Panthers came. Yeah. Where is Daya? I was thinking about Dajie.

Like, what's to do with her? I don't know because, I mean, and it felt like they were, it was some image changing that was, Like, yeah, huh? Yeah, it definitely felt like that was underway. So I'm wondering if this is them trying to craft her into something has stunned it the growth. Just I don't know shit about it, but just based on outside. I hope she gets to get her, be her.

I look, yeah. Yeah, that's how it looks. So when Black Panther came out, me, Dajloaf, Big Sean, we all collaborated to get kids in Detroit to send to go see the movie. Okay. So it's just like, you know, all we do got to do is throw up a hootie-who call. That we all hear. Is Eminem a big part of that collective of kind of giving back as well? So I know Eminem and Royce are tight.

I've never had any interaction with Eminem, but it's a, I mean, he's got, like, he's got a really good reputation in the city. Now, the person that who, you know, is from the D who is kind of harder to fuck with for a lot of reasons is Keir-Roy. Oh, yeah. No, I forgot. I forgot he was from Detroit. Yeah, fuck him.

Oh, my God. That's all I got to say about that. Fuck him. And he's still in Detroit, too, right? Detroit area. Outside of Detroit. Yeah, I mean, I'm still trying to figure out how a dude that grew up outside of Detroit is suddenly the foremost bear of the Confederate flag. But I digress.

Well, his fans, his thing is he has a black son and, you know, that's his past. So he. Fuck all that. What did you just? He got a black son. Oh, yeah. Jodi Wally's sister, Maduri. Not the point.

Yeah. Yeah, that's weird. Oh, shit. Okay, first of all, I didn't know it was Jodi Wiley's sister. I had no idea. Yeah, Maduro. Yeah, but he's got a black. Everybody knew that he has a black son.

So it's just like, so him waving at Confederate flag or just the, him trying to flip the script. Like in college, when I was in college, like, Keir Rock was calling our college newspaper all the time to try to get us to review his CD. You know, because he was a hip-hop artist then. Mm-hmm. The band-de-bang. It's Kaiser Sosa. Like, you know, you spend your formative years trying to be down and then, you know, when you're 40, you just morph back into what you really are. Like Tupac's, right?

You lose your revolution? Oh, like Tupacet. Oh, Kanye. Absolutely. I'm sorry. I'm the only one here actually like sports. So can I just ask. That is actually a lie.

But go ahead and ask you a question. I'm not going to ask you a bit. She's been asking me some sports questions. I have a couple quick questions. Who's your favorite Detroit Tiger of all time? Oh, that's such a good question. I'm going to say, I'm going to say Kurt Gibson. Okay.

And what made you a Niners fan? So it's a very boring, ridiculous story. I know you're like, how is something boring and ridiculous? It was like this. So my mother, when she was 17 years old or 18 years old, I think she turned 18. she moved out to the Bay Area with my father. And I was not in the picture quite yet, but I became in the picture when they moved out to the Bay Area.

Gotcha. The site of my conception is in the Bay. And so, yeah, my mother, while she was out there, I wasn't born out there. I was born in Detroit, but she loved the 49ers. And she really liked the team in it. And as they got better, and then they drafted a young fellow named Joe Montana.

She was a really big fan of Joe Montana's. And so she would always talk about the 49ers, and she was still a Lions fan as well. But the Lions were dreadful. They were so shitty when I was coming up that I was like, why would I care about this team that doesn't win? They're all, you know, the franchise seems to be completely incompetent. Like, why would I root for the Lions?

Like, who cares? Like, they suck. So taking the part of the 49ers from her. I just started watching the 49ers and they just became my team. And so hence the helmet. Yeah, good timing too. And the Lions have never won, right? No, they're in, I think the Lions in Cleveland are the only two NFL teams who have not been to a modern day Super Bowl.

Yeah, they offer. Yep. Ofer shit, they need to get to that, motherfucker. They can't even sniffing. Like, what? But I do tell people that, you know, for as much as the Lions have lost the dedication, the fans, and the fans there are horribly dedicated. I live with one, so I know.

And if they ever went to a Super Bowl, they ain't even got to win the bitch. If they ever got there, it'd be the biggest sports story, arguably in Michigan history. What's the number one reason why the Lions can't get there or haven't gotten there? Well, you know, as they say, attitude reflect leadership. The four family has, I got that from Remember the Titans.

I'm not a genius. I hate you for saying that. I hate you for saying that. I hate you for saying that. I have a good movie. Yeah, it was. So, you know, the thing is, I believe Wood Harris said it. So the thing about the Lions is like they've been, the one constant has been the Ford family

ownership. And to me, it's like you keep changing coaches. You've changed many of a quarterback. You've changed offenses. The one constant is the leadership up top has not changed. It's been in the Ford family for years and will probably be there for. I think, you know, they are just not good football people. And, you know, right now they're trying to copy a blueprint for the Patriots because, like

other teams have done, like they hired Matt Patricia, who's, was the defensive coordinator for the Patriots. They have a whole lot of Patriots folks in the building, including the GM is somebody from the Patriots organization. And what's so funny about that formula is that it's not really a formula. The formula was Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. I was about to say. Unless you have one of them, then, you know, notice none of, like, Bill Belichick's coaching tree is actually terrible.

Like, the best coaching, the best person that came from his coaching tree is Nick Saban. Everybody else has been bad. You know, it's not like Tony Dungey has an incredible coaching tree. Bill Walsh, incredible coaching tree. Bill Belichick is whack because, again, all of them did not have Tom Brady. So unless you can create a Tom Brady, then, you know. Good luck. Belichick, he's part of the Parcells coaching tree, and that's my view.

Correct. Correct. So like Bill Parcell's, great coaching tree, you know. And so at any rate, the Lions, they just have been, they've had just really incompetent front offices, just dreadful coaches. I mean, it's just hasn't been in the cards for them. I don't have anything against the Lions. I want them to do well because I know what it means for the city. and I want to protect my husband's mental health.

So I want them to do well. Do y'all think that the South will ever get football teams or will they just continue to depend on college football? I just came to this. Yeah, they do have football teams. They call it the SEC. Pretty much, yeah. I mean, we got the Panthers.

We got, I mean. Yeah. I mean, right. Am I tripping? I just came into the. The Panthers, the dog. I mean, it's some, but like, I think. Alabama.

No, probably not. And I don't think they want pro sports. Like, they're that, like to them, Alabama football is a pro sport. I mean, and it is. For real. For real. Yes, for real. So, like, there ain't no big deal to them.

I just came into the enlightenment of why they get so hype about college sports. I was like, oh, my God, they really, it's not a lot of. Oh, okay. But even here, it's just college football in the South is just a different animal. A relationship. Correct. General. Like, I mean, the ACC tournament down here, like, when, I mean, when the world was open, like,

our teachers used to roll the damn cart in the classroom. You know what I'm saying? You could watch the names. Yeah. Like, man, during the ACC term, man, we didn't do shit in school.

Oh, that's dope. They used to roll the car. We watched the joint. But is the point not, isn't the point to support that particular player and then watch them go into greatness?

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So they wouldn't want a professional football team to. They don't want them to make money? Not, well, they don't. I think they don't want them to make money. I was right.

Do you think they will, ever being college players ever? I think a reckoning is coming because at some point they will not be able to hold back the inevitable. And what this pandemic has exposed is how their greed has honestly put them

in this position. Because here's the thing, if they were actually paying the players, people would have less of a problem with them playing during this pandemic. Like the pros deciding to play is one thing because they're pros. They're paid. They all have unions. if college players were actually paid,

there would not be a lot of hand-wringing about whether or not they should be playing. You wouldn't have to worry about the optics of having players on campus but not regular students, which sends the message that it's okay to say, we have to sacrifice your lives

and your health and your safety because we've built an entire free economy off your free labor. Off this student. Hell yeah. I ain't never seen 30,000 people watching niggas solve a math problem. You know what I'm saying?

So that, that, that's, was being exposed. I mean, it's always been that way, but I think it's become especially obvious during this pandemic, is that you have, you know, you have people who have seven-figure salaries. You know, those college towns in Alabama, think about what happens to Tuscaloosa with no Alabama football. So it's no shock that the SEC has decided to continue to play. Right. Because they have built an entire economy around these players. It's a whole ecosystem based around the pool. Exactly. Nick Sabin is making $8, 9 million a year. You think that's why I shout

the question about the pros being in some of these towns, because I'm like, well, if they had a protein, maybe it would kind of balance out a little bit. I mean, it would. You actually got to pay. You got to pay. You got to pay. Right. Come on. We don't want to do that. I guess you're right. And not only that, the Southern States, I mean, not that this has stopped anybody

from putting sports ahead of the welfare of their constituents, but Southern states are generally the poor states in the nation. So it's like there's also, you know, here's why I love it when these conservatives always got, they always got heat for Chicago and Democratic cities. I'm like,

have you seen Mississippi motherfucker? Like, all the Republican governors are in the worst states. It's just like, all right, okay. Y'all has got no room to talk. Very true. Can I just make one question about the last answer? I just have a Michael Jorre question because

you was talking about activism. We was talking about the NBA and this lack and that was picking back up with LeBron. But can't we blame your boy a little bitch. We can't, but you know what? No, we can't. And I have a very North Carolina take on this.

But go ahead. I'm curious for you. Well, I would say this. I think that we need to look at Jordan's off the field or off the court contributions in a different way. So here's what we have to recognize what Jordan did do for black athletes. He gave them a blueprint for generational wealth for global success. He also proved to the business community that you can.

make a black man, a dark-skinned black man, the face of a company, and you could be a commercial international success. That's what revolution is to him. That's what it is to him. You know what I mean? To him. So it's like, so for me, like, when I look at it, it's like, you know, there was a piece that was written.

I think the writer was right, Thompson. But there's like a piece that was written on Jordan like a couple of months ago that was better than the last dance. I mean, the shit was amazing. It might have a rights piece because that's like the best piece. I've ever read on Michael Jordan. That shit is amazing. And it breaks down just as a Carolina nigga,

that shit spoke to my soul. So it just breaks down like his coming up in Wilmington and like the racist shit that went down in Wilmington. I'm a North East England. I apologize. I'm a North Eastling again. But you know, wait. No, it just gives context.

And so it just shows like for him for people on the outside, like why didn't he speak out? Why didn't he do this? For someone like him that literally came up on a dirt fucking road. Like, you know what I mean? And, like, saw all these atrocities in, you know, from his family and, like, all this shit. The success, that was revolution to him. To him is just, yo, I'm just here to do my fucking job.

And my job and the work I do on the court, that's going to speak for me and speak more for my people more than me making a speech ever fucking would. And then I'm going to charge them $100 and more for them to shoot these shoes and they're going to be all right. They might kill each other, fight each other over. But I ain't going to stay shit. I'm just going to let it happen. And I'm going to charge more. And then this is going to be $500.

Yeah, because that's what it is. I mean, listen, I mean, if you go to the, I mean, if you look at like Starbury, when he tried to do his shoe, you know, the $25 shoe, right? The middle in there. We ain't got to do his daughter. But no, but I'm saying it showed that that was price point is not an issue for the people that want those shoes. Like, it's not, now I ain't saying niggas you need to be killing and shooting and shit like that. But it was just, you know, I don't think all that should lay at the feet of Jordan. Like, niggas is going to do whatever to get them shoes.

I wouldn't, but I would say, I would not lay all that there. as the years have gone by I've tended to see his his level or brand of activism in a different way. That being said though, he had opportunities on the most basic shit. That's all I'm saying.

Him not supporting Harvey Gant against Jesse Hill. That's all I'm saying. It's like dog. Like this is a layup. Like this is a layup, Jordan. Like this is not a literal layout. Like, let him come down a little. It was the 80s lay here. It was the, it was a layup.

It's going to be the 90s. It's going to be the 2000. It's going to be an excuse. Well, it's not bad now. No, I mean, but the other thing, too, I think, Jordan, you know, he provided a blueprint. The problem was within that, that in decoding how he was able to gain such success is that players started to take on to an extreme level this idea that they wanted to be as politically or as apolitical as possible.

And because that's, I mean, Ultimately, what Jordan was able to successfully do is he allowed himself to be such an every man that you didn't know how he felt about anything. Whatever beliefs you thought he had or you maybe project your own beliefs onto him. They'd be like, oh, I'm sure he thinks like this because that's what made him quote transcendent. That's like people were so surprised when they saw he was listening to Kenny Latimore on the joke. By the way. And that's the blackish. That is black shit.

That's my, that is my uncle. Like, my uncle, my uncle, bride. I love my uncle, the deaf. Like, and he was, like, a big musical influence for me. And, you know, he would listen to peepunk and all that stuff. But hip hop just wasn't his thing. So it's like certain men, like born of that generation in the South. Yeah, like, that just wasn't them.

I mean, we love him. Blackness. I can tell by the black and white of his eyes today that he's black as hell. I'm just saying. You can tell by them jeans, nigg. Oh, my God. Oh, the creases? The creases.

Shout out to whoever created, what the fuck is Michael Jordan wearing? But the thing is Jordan would still rock that shit right now. Yes, yes, today. Like he ain't even got to the point where he upgraded to be a Tom Joyner, Cruz fresh. Like, he ain't even there yet. You can't tell him. You can't tell him. I'd be throwing off if he wore like a good tapered suit and I'd be throwing off if he had something fit it.

Yeah. It just ain't help. despite the fact he has like, he should be wearing a Euro cut with the slender physique and all that. He's still shopping its structure. He should, yeah. But yeah, I agree that he could have been less apolitical,

but I also understand the times under which when that shit went down. And I also understand for someone like him from his generation where he's from. I understood his definition of success and revolution and standing up for his people looks very different than what it looks like to people now. Yeah, it's hardly a Kanye. No, no, he's not, he never, he always embraced being black.

Like, there was never any question that he was, that he was not this. But the, the problem I think is that I think to some degree his miscalculation, although it has obviously led to him attaining unbelievable wealth and being the only black NBA owner in the NBA, his miscalculation. And sometimes this is, many people in his position have done this that are black, is that they want to practice capitalism activism. And I'm not sure if those two things were meant to be in the same sentence.

As I said, charity does not fix structural inequality or institutional racism. It doesn't. Because you're dependent on charity to fix structural issues that were not created by the people giving this charity. Like, as great as it is that LeBron has started his own school and he is changing lives,

it can't do anything to fix ultimately what's the real problem in Akron is underfunded, historically underfunded children, black children in particular. You know, as great as it is that... He made the effort, though. At least he's making the... He made... No, I applaud him for it.

But this idea that I think in our community, and this is why I encourage us to not... to be really very informed about how politics works. Because I hear a lot of us saying, like, I don't really... I don't do politics. No, you have to do politics. to make this work. Because the only way

the structural inequality is going to be fixed is through politics because LeBron can't start a hundred schools to fix education in America. He can't. That can only come from policy.

So we have to be involved on that level and understand that a lot of us give back to the community. A lot of us come back and try to buy buildings and blah to blot.

It's still not fixing gentrification in red light. It's still not fixing that. But is that not a start though? I mean, Oh, it's a great start, but you can't. I'm like, we gotta start somewhere. Like, niggas ain't gonna fix all this shit.

No, but that's why you can't have one without the other. Like, we can't continue to disengage ourselves from the political process because, you know, we think it's too hard or we don't want to fight that fight. But it's like, no, the best thing that we could see happen is like, we were talking earlier about Cory Bush, who, you know, is soon to be, it looks like for sure, she will. be representative of district one in Missouri in St. Louis. This is a woman who

was a Ferguson activist when Michael Brown was killed. And for her to go from that to get to being a representative in Congress is huge. That's how you fix structural inequality because you have somebody there who understands the issues on the ground, somebody who was a single mother, homeless,

domestic assault survivor, I'm sorry, domestic violence survivor, sexual assault survivor, somebody who understands at a basic level what it's like not to have and is in a position now

to sit on committees, impact policy, change neighborhoods. You gotta be speaking like you at the DNC. You sound just good. That's what you gotta have. Like it's like you gotta have that because if you don't, it's like the charitable stuff

will come, we'll be depending on somebody in our community attaining generational wealth which is not easy to do to fix some shit. Yeah, that's a fucking crapshoot. Yeah, it's a crapshoot.

So it's like we got. gotta, like even, you don't even have to become a rep. If you just sit on a school board, you'd be shocked what you can change. Like, yo, go to a PTA meeting. Run your PTA. See what happened. Start a PTA. See what happened.

We're going through this shit right now. With all the schools, you know, with everything going on virtual, going online. And, nah, we're going through it. It's, this shit is insane. It's insane. Now more than ever is the time where we need to retake a lot of our local political structures because they're there to be had. You know, if somebody asked,

me, how would you summarize 2020? And I said, I would summarize it. My only takeaway, or the biggest takeaway we need to think about for 2020 is district attorneys are elected positions. That's what we need to take away from this. Understand, most DAs run unopposed. Most of them do. And so most of us do not vote in local elections. And that is how, because we have, who the president is, is powerful, not saying that. But who your mayor is, who's on the police commission, your judges, all that shit.

Your judges, like, you've got to vote in those elections because you can really change your city. Like, just by voting, you could truly change it. You could get in the people who understand systemic racism and criminal justice reform

who understand, because DAs have so much influence about what cases to prosecute. If you have a DA that is not holding the police accountable, vote them out. Vote them out. You could put somebody on the ballot who will carry justice the way it deserves to be carried in our communities. And that's why I said, like, we got to stop this conversation about feeling like it's a badge of honor to not be politically engaged.

We can't afford to do that. We will fail our communities. And act like just because you don't like both the candidates 100% that you just, I don't like them. I don't trust. You know how you changed that? It's like you changed that, but being involved from the start. Like, what we have right now that's on the ticket, however you feel about it, didn't have to be. be that way. We had plenty of opportunities to make sure it was different people on the ticket.

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So I will ask you. And you cannot include any. Greatest Hits or Box Sets Compilations. Okay. That's important distinction. You're right. We're in the second wave of quarantining for two years straight. What five physical albums are you allowed to listen to for that duration of two years?

Okay. Five records. So because I ask people this all the time, I'm always prepared for this answer. But the most part, because I prefer. to ask people, I call it the Desert Island question. I prefer to ask them that as opposed to like top of emc. You got to go with the things that mean something

to you. So for me, I used to do on this show, gun to the head, but they said it was too violent. So without gun to the head, I'll just say quarantine. What would you do? Quarantine. Five albums. Songs in the key of life. Yes.

Okay. For sure. Ready to die, Biggie. Ooh. Number four, okay. Yep. I'm also, I mean, because I'm going to make sure I get this album to. Mary J's My Life.

Okay. Number three. Okay. I'm going to take the roots, do you want more? And I'm not, I know. Let's take it. I promise you. I'm not just saying that just because, like, you know,

I think about, like, literally, like, life-changing albums. You know, I got your time of his not knowing how to take a compliment self. Just go ahead and finish your list. And I think I'm going to take, because I want to say Charday, and I'm not, I'm just trying to think, you know what, nope, Anita Baker, Compositions. Oh, you go with compositions, okay. Flowery dress. That's a flowery dress. Yeah, compositions.

Compositions? No, I have got into, fairyttes. I have got into many arguments about compositions being her best album. That's no shade to any of her work, but I'm telling you, compositions is flawless. is top top. No, that run, that rapture giving you the best that I got in compositions.

That three-alum run. If she would let her catalog stream, I could actually weigh an opinion. Wow, I never even checked for it. Wait, it's not stream. Nah, she ain't on streaming. It's only on title.

But you could barely find Angel anywhere else. Like there is no Anita Baker on Spotify or. That's why you got to be Layla. See? DeLeyla didn't got her in the clinch. Her and her and, De La Soule or

Stecker. Her cover. And Alia too. Her cover of Anna Leah. Yeah, her cover of Lady. Noia records.

Tyrese is on it. You can only get A.J. None but a number, unfortunately. But you can't book. But was it

one in a million? One of a million? Mm-mm. No, there's nothing. All the black ground shit so like tank first two albums,

I think. Yep. Like all that shit on black ground is nothing. What's his name? Barry Hankerson? Yeah. Yeah.

He holding all that shit hostage. Uncle Barry. Yeah. Especially Alia shit. Like you just I'm so glad I had her CDs Like I have a needed shit Because I got all her CDs

I threw them shit away Because I thought man It's not Yeah well I have the CDs But I also put them on a on a hard drive So I had the hard drive I was like oh no You're so glad I did that

So you're sorry Very curious choices you have Very quick choices Yeah I was surprised Ain't no mic making it in there No MJ I thought I thought about it As well because I was struggling

Between His first album because I still, you know, I think, you know, off the wall is better than thriller. Right. I think that's the same. Yeah, I think off the while. I struggle with picking a Michael Jackson album or a print album. The problem is with both of them, they have so much.

I mean, not that Stevie Wonder does it, but like, to me, songs in the key of life is, like, literally a perfect album. So, yeah, no, I just think about the things that I have on, like, constant repeat. And as much as I love those artists is, like, I mean, I was listening to my life, like literally a couple days ago. You took that joy from top to bottom. Yeah, that's a banger. It's a banger. I was going to say that,

I was saying it was a curious choice because I think if actually in that situation, I don't listen to, not the albums that I like, but like it would be easy to say off the wall, but I think I would get very tired of off the wall after. Yep, after a certain amount of spans. Two months of that shit.

So I, you know, I was. would actually pick like blood on the dance stuff that. He said blood on the dance. Yo. Yo. I'm going to tell you something.

I'm going to tell you something. I got, I got caught in a Michael Jackson rabbit hole. And I decided I was going to teach myself to accept or like Loans on the Dance floor. And invincible. Yes. First of all,

Invincible. In joints. You had a beggar. Yeah, yeah. That's a beggar. The ones that hit, hit on Invincible. Break a door. Butterflies.

What? Break a dog. It's like the good, hard foe. I'm going to be in so much trouble when we get to the Rodney Jerkins episode. No, I'm with you. 100%. The Jerkins joints wasn't the ones that went off on that album. The ones that he, it was, it was rock my world.

Well, I did like rock my world. That was him. Break a dawn. Break a dog. Butterflies. Butterflies. Having your weight. Having a weight, man.

Listen, it's like. Oh, heaven can wait. It may not have... The thing about Michael Jackson is like, you get so spoiled. Like, the fact that people at the time considered bad to be a disappointment. And that shit sold like 7 million copies. That shit was banging. That's like Saida Garrett.

Like, what? Say what I'm saying? It's like, but his highs were so high that if Michael on a 12, a 12 song album, if only four or five of them joins our bankers, you're like, this is a disappointment. You're like, what? You know what? You know what? Right.

Right. Right. You know. And I also think it's something, too. It has to be something racist at work. I always thought it was something crazy that the Eagles always got the record for like the album. Yeah, they always go higher and higher. And it's the greatest hits.

I'm like, that's bullshit. Like, you motherfuckers had to compile all your best shit on one album to have smoke for a nigger that made an album of all his best shit. Like, get the fuck out of here. I didn't make a y'all niggas need the greatest his album to fuck with. The nine jams I just did and smashing all y'all shit. What's the biggest eagle's song? What's the biggest eagle song?

Oh, shit. Hotel California. Best of my love and new kid in town. I sound like Carlton. California, that's the only one I knew that you said. Yeah, that's like the one. Because you probably know the Albee's your version. I know.

I was like, I remember where Alby's sure we did it. I never listened to that song. Oh, shit, that's a fact. It was, he did a nice job, though. He did a night job. It was, but, you know, we did an Alby Short episode. It was great. Oh, it was great.

But the day that I got private times in the whole nine, I was, I was, I was, yeah. Yeah, man. My shit used to be Natalie, though. Natalie was that was on the 60 versus album. The sexy versus, yep. That one. Oh, that private times. Oh, y'all ain't right.

I love it. And by the way, Quest, what blood sacrifice do I have to make to get you on my podcast? Let's make it happen. Let's make it happen. I promise. Look, we'll make it happen. Okay.

Then we're going to go deep dive into how you possibly don't like bad boys, too. Look, we're going to go deep dive. And by the way, when you said the Tyler Perry rabbit hole, did you watch Fall from Grace? Is that what happened? No. Did I? Did I watch it?

Are you watched it? Are you shit? First of all, that is... Okay, how it came up was the debate on bad boys got so bad. Then I was like, well, I might as well throw this grenade into the argument. Can you guys differentiate

what's the... When we determined that bad boys was a classic film that... But that wasn't a good movie. That wasn't a good movie. Then I just wanted some suggestions on what do we consider like what child perry works are that?

And I think we concluded that. Why did I get married? Why did I get married? Yeah. I said good deeds. Good deeds for me. I was like, good deeds was all right.

I wasn't mad at that one. And you know what? Family that praise wasn't bad. I'm not saying that's Kathy Bates, right? Yep, that's Kathy Bates. All them just ran together. I know. But I'm telling you, look, fall from grace.

He had Kathy Bann. Yeah, fall of grace was just incoherent. It was like, nigga. But it's the greatest bad shit you've ever seen. Like, oh my God, it's amazingly bad. How do y'all do that? But, I mean, you got bad wigs. You got, you know Tyler Perry, he filmed this entire movie in three hours.

Like, it's unbelievable. Which is two hours more than it took him to write it. Right. So it's just like, he got Cicill and Tyson and it's, you're like, how did you get? He gets her everything. I don't know why she's up for the Flemingland every time. It's so much happening in this movie. She working.

She working. I know. But, I mean, that I'll know if you agree with this. Tigolo, but they, it, and plot twists actually went bad. It, no, the plot twist was horrible because it was just, the only two people in this world. I don't want to spoil that, but

the, I can't say it without spoiling, but no, it was just the end part. Was just like, this makes a bad film, though? That's a fair question. Can't even, no, and I'm gonna be real. Even though I walk into a Tyler Perry movie, I know what I'm getting. I'm not expecting, you know, whatever.

Even by Tyler Perry standards, though, this was just bad. It was disrespectful to the craft, but you had to watch it. Wait, where does, where does it lie compared to, what's this year's sisters? No. Oh. Oh, sisters. I've never seen it.

I heard that. My mother was a half and a half not. She's swelled by half and have not. But I watch one episode. Have y'all watched that oval off and shit? I can't. Honestly, that's the worst thing I've ever seen ever put on television. Ever.

And it's not close. There's no way that have a have not as bad as it. There's no way. I refuse to believe that. I was just like, what? I mean, it's fuckery. It's cootery.

It's fuckery. It's all of that. Like, it is, I got through an episode. The presidential. Yes. The Oval. Yes. It's on VET, right?

It's on VET. It was. No, it's back for another season. Y'all saw the thing, I saw the thing about how Tyler Perry are basically filmed by 62 movies during COVID somehow, He got the ultimate COVID test. He got the ultimate test.

And he built, like, he built, like, housing for people, like, the state on his, like, estate and shit. Look forward in two years and stories about this shit. What's that true story going to come out? The talent pair formula is he only paying one person per movie. Like, it's just, it's only, he getting one. He only paying one person, okay? Shout out to Taraji Hinson, because he got her some checks.

But she's going to be the only one in that movie getting paid. Shout to my girl, Bree. Where are Bresia was in. You know what I'm off for grace. It's right. It's all for Grace. Shout to Brescia. I think her and Cincinnati Tyson

it might have been the only two people who got paid in every. It's no way. Everybody else had to do that for free. Oh wait, hold up another one. Dude, did you see acrobote? Man, I just, come on. Come on. Yeah, acrobot.

Yeah. I watched it on a plane once and then halfway through had to take it off because I didn't want the people behind me judging me. Oh. You know, you know, you know. You know, like, when you're watching a really bad film on a plane and someone might be behind you, judging you, that's how I felt about acrimony.

I'm still trying to figure out how Teraji got on the yacht. I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm like, did she fly? Like, oh, that, okay. Yeah, they have, like, it's just big plot holes. I'm like, dude, this. No, it's like, it's just incoherent. It's like the knee along.

It's a lot of them. So I've just, okay. Yeah, the knee along one. Yeah, that was the one. Fatal affair. Fatal affair. Oh, wait, that was, what Omar Epps? That one?

Yes. That was. Was that Tyler Perry? No, it wasn't Tyler Perry. But it's in the same, it's in the same genre. Yeah. And if you actually look at Fatal Affair

as a sequel to Juice it, it tracks a lot. The Juice. If you look at it as a juice sequel. Amir, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. But he is right now.

But if you look at it as a, you're with me, Drew, Drill, with me. You're with you, you fuck with the vision. I have a thing.

No, you got to watch it. Like, it's, it's, it's, we at college we used to have bad black movie night so we saw all of masterpiece movies like because of it right I watched something about it the other night after the joint again because we had it on tape

like me and my boy we had it we had the VHS like in the dorm watching that shit now 20 plus years later oh man it's a fucking masterpiece That's a masterpiece but bad boys ain't Exactly In bad them I stand on it

Right But see your masterpiece And the best of what it is It's still on a bluff. Yes. And there's no one of a bluff type way. Yeah. You know it's weird?

All right. So I have these conversations with Ava Dvonne. And she swears up and down that Black Knight with Martin Lawrence is a masterpiece. She's lying. She lied. I got to hear. I got to get home to show. She got to stand on that one.

Like she even talked to me unless I watch it completely. Have you watched it? just a look on his face that's a tough watch you and Grace gotta watch I think y'all like fatal affair y'all got to watch faylor affair

that'll be a fun movie night no oh no she'll she'll fuck with the bare black suit of she dude she nah man

she'll kill me I'll be on punishment oh damn start with making I can't bring I can't bring no bullshit to the table I can't bring any bullshit to the table. Not fun bullshit?

Yeah, that's the like federal fair is fun bullshit. Yeah. She can, like, if it's not bettering her life, she's like, why are you wasting my time with this? Oh, geez. Oh, man. I mean, that's fine. That's what you know. For the rest of us back at Niggerville.

Yeah. And Laia, if you ever want to know the, I mean, you want to talk about the Pandaras, the Pandora's box of hood, black, black, it. Amazon Prime is the fucking motherloat. No. Nigga, Amazon Prime, they black, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't understand. Amazon Prime make Netflix look like HBO.

The black, black. You don't understand. Nigger, Amazon Prime, it's a whole subgenre of, like, hood. There's a Ku Ku Kou Cal documentary on Amazon Prime. What? What? I remember his name. Kukau, why that sound familiar to me?

Because he had that once on my projects and my project. He has a documentary, narrated by Kuku Kau. What? And he did his own narration. I'm in. I'm in. Say no more. Say no more.

I was like, I'm going to do Kuku Kow. Wow. Yo, I'm stopping this episode right now. It's like to watch it. Yes. Shemil, we thank you very much for it. Thank you. We're going to watch Kuku Kow.

Thank you, Foniglo. For me, Fonigal, Fonigal, Sugar Steve, unpaid bill, Lai, Jamil, we thank you so much for being on the show. See you.

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