The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Kwamé (Part 2)

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

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On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to part two of Kwame's interview. on QLS Classic October of 2018. He went through so many stories about his childhood and growing up in his father's house and working with Herbie Lovebug and being on Atlantic Records and that whole connection with Philly rappers and also the idol makers with salt and pepper,

kid and play and all that stuff. You know, so much crazy bugged out stories. Hope you enjoy part two of QLS Classic and Quamming. Previously on Questlove Supreme, the legendary Kwame talks about growing up in Queens, discovered hip hop, and rising and touring with the likes of Salt Pepper, Kidman Play, NWA, all that good stuff. And when, you know, we're going to get into that big thing as well. So here is part two of Questlove Supreme with Kwame. Okay, so I, the one important aspect of your career that we've, yet to get into, which is very vital to your career. Yeah.

Is your sense of style and what you brought to it. Pocodot's, the, you know, two-toin hair, the crazy haircuts and kind of the GQ dressing. Yeah. Like, you were an urban outfitter. I couldn't get that. I had a polka dot shirt, my mom won't let me get the diamond. Oh, okay. She wouldn't, she wasn't going for that.

Bill, you couldn't get a polka-dote shirt? You wouldn't let me get the polka-dice shirt. What the fuck? I was this I know me and Tarika brothers like we basically would just share three shirts like I had I had the I have the urban outfitters love shirt

yeah urban outfitters she was doing it yeah urban outfits was me and Tarreek would share that shirt the preppy Benatom the Coca-Cola sweaters and all that stuff like so I mean your style was definitely it was it was preppy and

kind of progressive hip like it wasn't street You know, it wasn't dapper danish. So what made you in the era where dapper Dan was running shit and track suits and, you know, even with Philly, like with Alpinas and, you know, the drug dealer looked like, what made you like, okay, I'm going to go with this, like. I think because of my influences and because of parental guidance, actually, you know, like. you know like one of the biggest fights that I ever got into with my father was the fact that I went and I had a job at a sea town actually and saved up my money and bought this fake fat rope this sick giant fat rope

and my godfather who was a cop confiscated a beeper and gave it to me so I had the beeper and the fat rope and my father came downstairs and that was just my rapper costume and my father came into my room I guess to get laundry or whatever he did and he saw the fat rope and the beeper and he threw him out so when I came home

like yo it was my fat rope was my people I'm about to go to this party I got to look like me and my pop's like you're not wearing that shit outside you're not gonna you know look like a drug dealer you know on my watch you're not doing that no but that's what I gotta do

that's that's me that's I'm a rapper said no you're like an idiot you know like that's not even you're not from that you like to wear suits you don't even wear sneakers you like to wear shoes you ask me for money to buy you know i definitely was into bally's and wingtips and all the stuff what are you doing you know and and and we got into this knock down drag out fight you know like almost physical like my pops had to like grip me up because i was popping so much shit like you don't go in my room

touch my shit you shit boom you know what I'm saying it it was like it was one of those things And it was almost like a wake-up call because then I sat there and I was like, you know, I cannot afford Dapper D. I don't like to be fake in any way, shape, and form. So I'm walking around with this orangey, yellow and white-looking chain that's been turning like the earth. And it's like, you know, the beeper don't work. You can't put the 4-1-1 on the 9-1 in me. So like, it's not, it's not me, you know, and, and I like to dress up. But then at the same time, I know that I'm not, I'm a different kid.

I'm just, I'm different. And I don't have a problem with expressing that. There is a side of me that does like some of the hip hop things. So like if you look at, like, for example, my first album cover, Boy Genius, I'm sitting there. I have on a preppy Mickey Mouse shirt, you know, but I do have a sick cable tucked in the shirt. But, and it was a real one, but that was like saying that, okay, look, I can go here, but I choose to go there.

And, you know, I had my nerd, Wayfair glasses on, and it wasn't necessarily a gimmick at all. It was just saying that, look, man, I got to set myself apart. Now, the polka dots came in, three things. One, like I said, I was super big Prince fan. And Prince used to rock these polka dots on the Love Sexy Tour in 87. And I just thought it was cool. And I used to love the Madhouse album cover with the chick, with the polka skirt on it.

And I just wanted her to be my wife, man. Still around. I know. Who one does that on the cover? Vodka Lightner. Yeah, yeah. What's her name? Manika.

Lightning. Yeah. Yeah. I always thought it was Mancy and it. Like curls. So, so I was like, you know, she can be my girlfriend and I can just rock, you know, but I can hip hop these like Pokedats out a little bit. But then I'm like an overthinker. So I'm like, you know, anytime I look at, I'm a heavy comic book guy.

So like anytime somebody has like on Pocodots, he's either the nerd or the clown or just the weird guy. So I think I'm going to, I like that. And like how you said you would share with Tariq, I just had one polka dot shirt, I swear. And I used that like five different ways. It was the shirt on my back of the album cover. Wow.

Same shirt. Same shirt. Same shirt. And I was like, I can find so many ways to match black and white. Yeah, my polka dot shirt was black with white dots. Yeah. So I just had my white shirt black dots. I had a black tie with white dots.

So if I had the shirt and that tie, I could just go crazy with the black and white dots. white and not spend any money. And then in the video, it was my pajamas. And then on stage, it was, you know, my stage stuff. But it never went really past the first album cover and then the video until I did my first show. And everybody in the audience had on polka dots and streaks in their hair. And so I was like, okay, somebody threw a joke on me, blah, blah, blah. And everywhere I would go, man, it was your polka dot. And also, I would never shop at normal stores. I was shot. There was a store in the village called Reminiscence.

And Reminiscence only did Repro 50s clothes. So I bought all my Pogadat ties from Reminiscence, all my Pokedat shirts. Everything I wore were reproduction 50s outfits. And in whatever thrift store, I would find whatever, I would get everything from thrift stores and not spend. I was not chasing Gucci. I wasn't chasing Louis Vuittano, Dappadam. and that just that was it

I was like I'm not going to do that I see I can buy MPC 60 instead of a fat chain I can buy a SB 1200 instead of a two finger ring and that's where it's just all snowball for me how did you sign who signed you to your first deal to Atlantic

so so Herbie Lovebug went to Sylvia Rhone and said I got this kid act blah blah and he you know the deal deal was met based on the fact that he was going to produce me. But Herbie was just so busy. Most of the album was already done, I'd saved up my money. And if anybody who's really deep into hip-hop is a guy named Paul C.

Paul. You're Paul C disciple? Somewhat. He taught you how to use your machine. Paul taught me how to use the SB 12. Talk about him. And, well, basically, it was a music, it was called the Music Building in Queens. and Paul had a studio, Studio 1212.

And I saved my money and I found out about it from a mutual friend. And I didn't understand what Paul was doing, you know, for hip hop at the time. I just knew it was a place I can record for cheap. So I went there and I was like, I got this amount of money. How many hours can I get? Eight hours. Cool. When can I get it?

Christmas. What? Damn. Oh, wow. Eight hours, eight songs. Midnight to eight o'clock in the morning. Christmas Day. You want to do it?

Fucking yeah. So I went and I did say five of the eight songs on the boy jeans on those eight hours because I figured that was all I'm going to get. So it was Christmas and everybody was right. But that's where the line came from. That's how the line kind of formed itself because it was like, shit, I got to do this Christmas. So, so, but it really didn't.

mean anything because my father was like a devout Muslim so I didn't really celebrate Christmas anyway. So I did most of that album there but gave it to Herbie. This was the second demo I gave the Herbie. The first demo he was not rocking with it. So I gave him the second demo and the demo that demo

had, if anybody's familiar with the album and had the song, you had the rhythm on it. The mic is mine. Keep on doing what you're doing. Keep on doing. So, man, that Bobby Brown sample? Yeah. We thought we, your first one was to use it. There was another song called A New Beginning

that never made the album. There was another song called Mind Power that didn't make the album. And I want to say one more, I can't remember. Got to get down. Oh, okay. Excuse me, dumb question, Kwame. So how much of your albums,

did my two assume, did you produce everything that you wrapped on? Yeah. Yeah. So Herbie, so Herbie, so she said, Herbie texted in. Yeah, Herbie takes it in and, you know, said, this is what I produced. And so she, Sylvia gives me the deal.

And I didn't have a problem with her be producing a record for me because, you know, I, you know, I learned from him. So, you know, hey, why not? Well, seeing his name on there, let me, that gave me the Greenland. I don't know if I've been so quick to, if you were just you on your name alone. Yeah. I mean, the video was dope enough to make me buy it. But definitely seeing that, that was the stamp of course. Yeah.

I was like, oh, I got to buy this. because back then you brought the birds of a feather thing. Yeah. So, and it said, produced by Herbie Lovebug and the Invincibles. So I was like, yo, man, I'm not going to get no credit. He said, now you're the Invincibles. So who was the Brothers Grimm? The Brothers Grimm was just me and my boy A Sharp, Al.

We used to like to come up with a lot of concepts. So A Sharp, B, Fla, B, Flat, and C Major. So we would just sit around and come up with concepts. So it was just like, you know, we are the brothers Grim. And Grimm, we used to have our own, we used to have our own little language. And we used to, we used to tell Grims, Grims were lies, basically. So like, say, for example, I'll say, yo, Fonte, um, Ninth Wonder said that you never wrote none of your raps. And you would be, you know, what are you talking about?

I said, no, I don't know, I was, I was in a studio and he was just talking about, talking so greasy about you, man. I don't understand. Why would he do that? And we would sit there and watch you just get heated. You're going to instigate. You're going to instigates. Oh, no, no, no. I'm talking about we've had like salt wanting to go fight MC light.

Like we would be terrible. So those were grims. So when you get to your hottest point, we were like, grim. Wow, wow. So that's where the brother's grim came from because that's all, to the point where people would be like, look, When they come around, don't say nothing. Don't say no.

You've been great. Yeah, so that was how. So Sylvia got the first demo, and I just spent days and days and days waiting for her to show up to give me a record. And I was like, man, I'm just going to finish this shit up myself. And then, you know, records like, and this is how I met Slick Rick, for example, sweet thing. I did Sweet thing.

And then somebody from the studio, and the studio was out of a house. It was a regular house in racist Bayside Queens. Like we would, I'm talking about, it was to the point where it was like old school 70s dudes with mullets and muscle cars would get out of the town, nigger, and we chased us and we had to run into this house and the house was owned by a man Dave Ing. So it was like a Chinese family. So we run into this Chinese house. And downstairs was like the most incredible history making studio, all Salt and Pepper

records, all Kid and Play records, all of my records, Dana Dane Records. Everything was made out of this house. The push-it bathroom, like where they did the vocals in the- Yeah, it's all in- You did the vocals in the bathroom? No, no, we had a vocal- vocal booth. But then there's, you know, between Herbie's bedroom, which was probably, the push-it was probably done there.

But between Herbie's bedroom and this studio in Bayside, called Bayside Sound, that's where everything was done. And I remember somebody calling me, it's like, yo, I think you need to get here quick. So I'm running to the studio and I hear. a beat that sounds like Sweet Thing playing. I'm like, yo, jacking my shit. And then I get into the room and then, you know, we had the two inch tape.

So I saw my two inch tape next to theirs. So I'm like, oh, somebody's really jacking. So I'm beefing like, yo, who the fuck? So this dude is in there producing this beat off a sweet thing. I'm like, yo, what the fuck, man? Jacking my shit. And then Dana comes running out. No, no, that's Rick, man.

That's my man, Rick. The slick Rick, that's your idol, man. You're about to be it. You're about to go crazy. I'm like, well, I, just because I was just seeing flames, man. My album didn't even come out yet. And somebody's trying to jack it. And Rick was like, nah, you know, he let me hear.

I didn't know. So we're not going to use this because Rick was producing a record for Dana. And, you know, and that's, you know, my introduction to Slick Rick. But, um, wow. It was crazy. So, so back to the question. So Sylvia signed me. I was waiting for her to finish producing.

I was 16, so I had to go to court and get a parental waiver to sign the deal. And I just used to always be at the record label, just like a kid hanging around. Like anybody understands Atlantic Records, like running into the office and chilling with, not this is pre them, but running around and running into Amit Erdogan's private office, he had made serving him breakfast and lunching, like, telling him how cool the record label is. And he's looking at me like, I don't even know who you are. You're signing here. Okay, whatever, man.

Or, you know, and just hanging out with Sylvia, hanging out with different. Because back then, A&Rs, there were no A&Rs in our age range in any way, shape, or form. Everybody was like my parents age. You know, like my A&R was like the old jazz A&R guy. Mountain Climbing who plays an electric guitar. Did you work with Craig Coleman at all? back when he was doing ANR there? Or what about a...

Who's our guy? Reef. Oh, no, Flan. Yeah. Jason Flan. No, so my A&R, well, Sylvia was in my original A&R, and then there was a guy named Merlin Bob. Merlin Bob.

He went to Elektra. Yeah. Wait, he was at the lake first? Yeah. He was under Sylvia. And then when Sylvia and Merlin were able to take over, when Sylvia was able to take over, and they changed the name to East West. Merlin went with her, and I felt like mad a bandit.

So then my A&R was a guy named Richard Nash. Richard Nash is now the head of promotions at BMG, if I'm not mistaken. But Richard Nash was the head of Atlantic, and he took my, he took over, and he used to always confuse me with Kay Solo, but that's fine. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. Both Kays. Yeah, he would introduce me.

This is our artist, Kay Solo. Oh, man. That's the opposite of you. And exactly. That's my shit. And the A&R said, he was solo. I said, what the fuck? But see, what they were doing at that time?

They were hiring house DJs to be A&R. So Merlin Baugh was a big house DJ. My other A&R was a guy named Kevin Woodley. He was a big house DJ. And they were bringing them in. And then the first hip-hop guy that came in was Clark Kent. So then they bring Clark Kent in. But he wasn't.

clerk. And that's when it started to kind of start, the industry started turning over and you're starting to let people who actually know the music into the business. But it was real weird. They did not understand what to do in my records. They didn't really understand how to promote them. I was the first, you know, solo male act sign. It was me. I want to say DOC, but DOC was with priority. So and didn't really, I mean, Ruthlet, so it didn't really count. They were handling their own stuff. MC Light was with first priority, so she was handling her own stuff. But I was the one guy directly on Atlantic.

And it was just like, you know, my publicist was, you know, in her 60s at the time. It was just, you know, it was just figure it out, man. It was real. When the record became a success, what was it like to be 16 years old? in high school with like a hit record? Well, it was weird because by the time the record came out, they put me immediately on a tour. So I went to like this, I don't know why I went to this thing,

but I went to this alternative school in Bushwick, Brooklyn, for like bad kids or pregnant teens or kids that have to go to work, to support a family. But I was like full-blown Kwame at the time. So I had to go to this, that neighborhood was crazy. The school, I don't know, the school wasn't bad, I don't think, I don't know, because I didn't see anything. I had security guards and they locked me up in this closet to do my work.

I couldn't interact with the kids. Okay. Because you were Kwame? Yeah. So I had to be in, I'm like, this is whack. And it was, you know, Herbie's management company recommended it because Spinderella had to go with it. So, so she went there the year before. And, you know, I'm like, this is kind of whack.

And I remember being in my regular high school and I would show up. This is pre me realizing who I need to be. You know, I reverted a little bit. I got my advance money and then I reverted to the gold chains and everything. I would like wear my gold chain, then I would borrow Herbie's gold chain, then I'd borrow Herbie's brother's gold chain, and I reverted to these gold chains, and I would walk around school, and they thought I was a drug dealer.

So they would hire a detective to follow me around, and when I found that out, I went to the principal's office, and this is how foul this was, went to the principal's office, I showed them the layout of my album cover. I showed him the contract and said, well, this is what I do. After school, I'm recording an album.

So the principal looked at me and was like, well, if you're doing all this, why don't you just drop out? The principal. Speaking like a true education. Right, an educator. He said, why don't you just drop out? I don't know, why would I do that?

I'm saying because I was asking for permission to go on this NWA tour. And I was like, I know that there's a work study program. You know. Remember his name? I don't remember. I don't remember half of my teachers. And I was like, there's a work study program. Why can't I just do that?

Now, you're going to be a big star, right? What do you need this for? you know and this is not the first time a teacher has told me that pre that when i was in eighth grade my math teacher was like why would you go to art school all you do is sit around and try to rap you're never going to become an artist you know you might as well just go to your zone school you know so it's so it shows you like those type of teachers that didn't look like me yeah and didn't understand what i do or what my perspective was i was i was not a bad student in any stretch of their imagination. I may have been bored

half the time so wouldn't show up to a class, but anybody to tell you, I wasn't bad. What was your advance at that time? How much did they give you? Oh. Yeah. Thank you. It was that much. The first album

cost $60,000 to make and I got $11,000 out of it. That was my advance. $11,000. I mean, compared to other 89 Brutters we heard, that was Sylvie, it was sort of nice. Yeah.

Because De La Sol's Dead was, I remember, Dayla, three feet high was like $25,000. $25,000. It was supposed to be a, but that wasn't a major label. Oh. It was Tommy Boy. Where do you say that? Because I remember that Funky Dea's budget was $2.5 million. Wow.

That was a lecturer, right? East West. East West. East West. But so 60, and the reason it was supposed to be 120, but it was going to be an EP. and I turned in the remainder of songs and she didn't just give me an album and said you can make it an album

but we didn't give me no more money and I was like I just thought the term having an EP I thought that was just whack and I was like no I want an album so it was just an eight cut album supposed to be five cuts and I turned in the last three song What were the last three you remember?

I don't I think I think the man we all know and love sweet thing I don't even remember to be honest with it. It seems like the dope shit always come at the end. It was one of the way. It was never a beginning of the end. It's just that I got three more

songs to give you up. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't like recorded in a certain way. Like, oh, this is the, this is the hot one. This is the last song that I'm going to record. It wasn't done that way. So you didn't even know, like, what your single was going to be? Like, the rhythm, did you know? I had no idea. You know, we thought the man, we didn't hear, they didn't hear a commercial single off that album. So the most inter. Were they looking for a push it? Yeah, of course.

They were definitely looking for. Okay. So, and I was very, you know, in the beginning, I was very, I was into being lyrical and telling stories and more serious about. And the man we all know and love was a parody record technically. And I was, if you look on the vinyl, it doesn't say it was performed by me. It was a character that I had called Heamy and He is Me. Yeah.

So Hemi, that was just like a parody of just buging out. That was like a bug out. You know, and that was like a throwback to Prince when Prince had his little Camille and all the, so Hemi was like that. And they were like, we want this to be the single. I'm like, what? That's a Hemi record. That's not even supposed to be.

You know, like, nah, it's very entertaining. And so, you know, you can visualize the, and my man Paris Barclay, who's like. He's in the, around the video, right? He directed the video. Is he still alive? Yeah, Paris is alive. Wow. You know, shout to Paris because, you know,

Paris is dope now. Like, he goes in. Like, he's responsible for sons of anarchy. What? Wait, wait. What? What? Yeah.

Oh, we got to get Paris Barclay on our L.A. run. Since we're talking about her, just because I have never heard anybody talk about her in the last 10 years. Anybody seen Big Lass? All the time. She was at my house not even a year ago. She's in L.A. Yep.

She's in L.A.? Damn. I can link her on my people. She's from my neighborhood. I can link that up. Yes. Oh, oh. Check, check, check it out.

So, so, um, so Paris, you know, me and Paris came up with the idea for the man we know and know, and love. And, you know, you mentioned Malcolm. Malcolm was studying under Paris to direct. Really? Yeah. And so Malcolm wanted to learn. So he came on the set.

And I was like, you know, you want to get in the video? I was like, yeah, but you got to let my home boy Brian in. And so this is a random kid, like, in the beginning. And, you know, in all the faces that you know. And there's like a one guy that you don't know. And that's his home. So, you know, because Brian was trying to be an actor at the time. So, you know, it was just.

And that was another thing that I don't think happens anymore. If you got wind that there was a video being filmed, everybody. Everybody showed up. You might not be in the video. Like, for example, I remember what EPMD record this was, but I remember that we've got. when that they were filming in Central Park. We got to Central Park and I remember seeing Malcolm there. I'm like, what you doing here? Hey, I'm just here.

And I was like, where's the video? Yo, it's underground. Like, what? So what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we climbed down this sewer. Oh, yeah. And everybody's in this. I'm like, how did y'all get a permit? In a sewer? I don't think there was a permit.

It was like a whole city under Central Park. You know, and I think everybody, if you found out that there was a video everybody would show up. You know, you may get in, you may not get in it. But it was like, you know, an on-set party at all time. So, so, um.

Wait, a question about your performances, because in sort of slick-wreck mode, or what you were saying, your Prince Camille thing. Yeah. Because you did these character voices, sometimes using your natural voice, sometimes very speeding to do your higher voice. How would that come off in concert?

Because, I mean, sometimes you were like three, you were like your own Muppets almost. You were like three characters rapping at once. I would do it. I was just, you know, oh, Kwame, I love you. You know, just saying those voices while I was rhyming. You know, it was just like, you know, I would just do it. Or with the aid of the audience, they would know some of those parts too.

So it was never, you know. I never thought about like that. And what's your question? Oh, put you on this bottom. Bill! Well, this has to do with the second album, too. We're almost there anyway. All right.

So on the second album, you introduced me to an album that I actually wouldn't hear for another four years. And I want to know if you cleared the sample on Skinny Mother. I don't know. Yeah. Wait, what? How? Prince, you clear Bob George? Yep.

Okay, but what I want to know is, why did you? Even further than that. that he allowed me to use, I went Prince crazy on my third album. And I don't know who called me. Two people, I got like super permission from two, like whoever was running Joe Bet music, somebody from Joe Beck called my house.

My mother answered the phone. Somebody, Joe Bet. I'm like, wait, you minute. They're like, you know what? what, we, you know, we really like what you're doing. Whatever Joe records you ever want to use, you can, you have full, I'm like, all right. And controversy music, I don't know who it was. I don't know.

And they call and it was like, yo, man, it's not a problem. Wow. That was a weird moment in time, pal. You know, and, and, you know, my, my experience, you know, I think, you know, I know, you've had better experiences with them than I have. I've never had, I don't think I've had a good experience with him, but he allowed me to use music when he wasn't allowing anybody. That was no patterns. Yeah. What does that mean?

I'm sorry. What does that mean? I've never had a good experience. Prince don't clear shit. Okay. I think what it might have been, because I kind of viewed you as a prince, like, figure. Yeah. Because you did it all.

And I was cool with, like, me and Jerome Benton was super cool. Me and Morris were cool. You know, so I don't, I don't know. And I know that members like Tony M and other members of the crew would tell me that they listened, as a collective, listened to my music. Wow. So, so I guess that was in and around, I guess that helped out. But like I said, my personal interactions with him personally was never like, it was not a super dope experience. A win is a win.

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And I never let her live it down, man. The day I get her every time. So Tasha and my girl. Angie. Angie would later on go on to write Empire's state of mind, the singing part. But Angie and Tasha, Angie used to know my boy, Al. Angie introduced me to Tasha. I used to think she looked like Chade.

And then she said she could sing, so I wanted to make like hip-hop Shade records. And they were a group. I can't even remember the group that I named them. They were like my version of salt and pepper, but singing and rapping. And I made like the worst records for that. They were like the worst. They had a single called The Mike is My Boyfriend. It was like just super whack record. I don't know what I was.

It was very whack. But only you was made for two reasons. One, Vanessa Williams was looking for a hip-hop. dance type record and I wanted to marry Vanessa Williams so I wrote Only You for her

and I'm only girl female singer and no no and he goes even bigger thing Tashina Arnold little sister Zenae went to school with me and Zenae is a incredible singer so Zenae I brought Zenae

from school can you sing this song I wrote called Only You so Zenae sings only you and I want Zanae to be down but they were very religious and their pops was not having the secular music, not at all. So the second singer I knew only knew two and the second one was Tasha.

Where's she from? Tasha's from Brooklyn, from East Flathbush, Brooklyn. So Tasha comes in and if you really listen to only you, you will hear two separate singers. So Tasha's singing, Tasha's singing the lead

and a lot of the adlips but the first hook the first hook adlips is Zene and the harmonies are Zanae and then Tasha comes in after that so that would

and I didn't care because it was a demo for Vanessa Williams Wait so Vanessa Williams supposed to sing I can't I won't even hear it that low Because that was what 91?

90s So what was her? The comfort zone. That was like 91, right? That was 94-ish. Okay. This would have been. Giving you the benefit?

I don't know. The right stuff was 88. And. Damn, she had hit it. I don't think of what song, what replaced it? Nothing replaced it because I missed the album. Ah, okay. So Herbie pretty much put me on to it.

Excuse me. And Herbie wanted, I think Herbie wanted me to do it. And then he was going to say he produced it. Oh. And so it just didn't. happened. But then at the same time, radio was doing this campaign against rap. And they would do this thing called a no rap workday. Filly. Power 99. Yep. 99 was the first station, but it was around the country or no rap crap. Yes. Power 99. So, so from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m., no rap was allowed.

So my thing was, yo, put this record out. Don't say it's a rap record. act like it's an R&B record from Atlantic. You know, let the arm, because Atlantic was separating, there was Atlantic Street, and Atlantic Street would do all hip-hop. Atlantic proper would do like in the EnVogue records and everything. So I'm like, no, let the Atlantic proper push this record to radio, and let's see what happens. Wake up six in the morning and it goes only you.

So it was just like, it was really a social, social experiment. But back to Tasha. I'm rambling. So Tasha, Sylvia gave Tasha a deal. Okay. So I go in the studio, and while I'm recording my second,

my third album, I'm recording Tasha's album at the same time. We actually, and why you probably saw me in Philly a lot, Stone Creek Studios, Boys to Men Studios, used to be a studio called K-GEM. Yeah.

And I pretty much owned K-JM. I had a house in Mann Yunk, that I rented and I lived in KJM and you know all the owners you know we were all good friends and I was doing the two albums at the same

time and the album got finished I don't know if it was good or not I'm honestly I can't say if it was good because I wasn't like my boyfriend song got scrapped no that one didn't make it but my R&B chops wasn't where they like they are now so

It was just, it wasn't. You did everything yourself? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I would bring some, you know, like, I can't play every instrument in the world. So I would bring people in, but, you know, I would play it, you know, electronically first and then, you know, have somebody come in. Right.

So, so, mainly strings, mainly horns. I don't like, I don't like fake strings and horns for nothing. And I don't like fake guitars or bass. So, you know, those four elements are always. put in, and then after recording that album, Tasha and I were in a relationship. And during that recording, we stopped being in a relationship. And she became, she became, you know,

she got into a high school boyfriend, high school sweetheart, and later her husband. And so they're in their relationship, and he's full roster. So she becomes full. roster dead in the middle of this. What does that mean for my? What is that? Tell me, because I don't know.

You know, she starts coming in locks. She starts coming in looking like Freddie from a different world. And for me, I understood that the 90s were coming in and that was the wave. But for me, I was like, yo, if it ain't GQ, it ain't strictly GQ going some fly. Nah, man, you looking crazy out here. You're looking. Oh, you wanted them. Yeah.

I was one of them. Okay. You know, I was like, no, I don't, you know, people were, you know, replacing flat tops for locks. And it was like, no, you got to keep it sharp. You know, I was just on my little one year dumb stuff. So, so she and, you know, nothing against anybody who partakes in the Mary Jane. But I'm not. I don't drink.

I don't smoke. And I don't want that in my. environment, my work environment. I want my work environment conducive to how I live so I can have the best creative process. That's just me. So if you're- I thought sleepy eyes was not Mary Jane's song. I was wrong about that. So, so when you're full-blown roster, your, your, your, your outlook is different than that. So we started clashing creatively, but we still pushed on. But then from Rasta, they became like super saved Christian. I knew you was going to say that.

I knew that was the next. Yeah, I knew that. So the super, like, I'm talking about. That's quite a swing. Right. But that's Tasha. So she knows it. I'm not saying anything bad about her.

She doesn't understand. I tease her every, I talk to her all the time. So, so Tasha becomes, you know, the female Jerry Farwell or somebody. She's like. Wow. She's like a missionary. Like everything is God is great, God, it's good, good, cool. Even still now, she's still?

No, no, no, no. She's back to. She's regular Tasha. So she's like a mix of everything, though. Actually, she's half Ross to have Tasha, half evangelist. So the album is done and is being mastered at this point. It's her solo album. Yes.

She calls Sylvia. The Lord tells me I cannot move any. further with this literally music her signature says something different though I request and my church request you let me out of my contract

so what that got to please tell me what Sylvia does it overwork? Sylvia's response yeah whatever right because you think about it like this

a lot of artists don't seem to understand there are two and I think Tasha probably fell into this category and you know artists will never want to admit it or fear this but there are certain artists that are signed just for a tax write-off a label gets a high budget every quarter so you got to you have to dump that money yeah you got to dump that money man so you give me a hundred and twenty grand to duchas album and it don't come out that is a write-off that is a good thing for you and your your quarterly balance because it was something you spent.

It didn't work. Cool, but it was an expense. It was a loss. And now we don't have to pay this much tax. So I think, so, so,

you know, at that time, Sylvie had Keith Sweat. She had Gerald Avert. She had, Envogue. Buster was coming in. You know,

it was like, Tasha. Like, pace. You know, and nothing against the music that I did or Tasha, but it was just, you know,

it wasn't it didn't it didn't make a dent in her so then Tasha started working for ASCAP and became I'm head of special awards at ASCAP

and she did that for a while you know her and her and her husband got married they had a child they opened this dope candy store in Park Sloat Brooklyn called Rappers Delight I opened a dope candy store you know you know and that

lasted for a few years and then you know she just she's living life she you know she sings when she feels like singing but you know she just she's a mom okay i have a question that concerns my group how did you discover comal when he was in a newborn say what is this true is this the word you don't know that kamar was a newborn no no they kind of had a cover of uh i forget their name they sound like a law for him baby baby fall in love so you're falling in love You're only that song that came out? Newborn, newborn.

I met Kamal. I'm sorry, Jimmy. Jimmy. Well, he was Jimmy at the time. Dave, how old was Jimmy? Shut up. 14. He was 14.

Jimmy? Jimmy always thugged out. Well, like I said, he was a Q's 14. He was 14. I was 19. So 18 and, yeah, I was like 19. And the owner of K-GEM Studios, my man, Kurt.

Kurt Shaw. Kurt brought the group to me. And there was a group out of North Philly. It was a young kid at the time. He was seven years old. And he was a drumming prodigy. His name is Sammy. And Sammy was a prodigy.

And his father was a prodigy. Big Sammy. And so they wanted to form a hip-hop Jackson Five thing. So it was Sammy on the drums and rhyming and his sister on the keyboard. Then there was a cousin on the bass. No, there was a brother, Mike. Mike was on the bass. And then another cousin played another keyboard.

And that was the group. But the music didn't, wasn't dope. And they had a deal. I can't even remember what deal. I think there was like TVT. I can't even know what label this was. They had a deal. But it just wasn't dope, so they brought me in to clean up.

They brought me in to rewrite all the rhymes, teach him how to rhyme, redo all the ideas that they already had. Relativity. Relativity, yes. Teach him how to do, you know, redo the record. So, you know, I was the cleanup man. But the father wasn't having it. He was like, I don't want to say Joe Jackson.

Backstage Dad. But, yo, it was different, man. It was like that falling in love record that I did did very well in certain regions. So we would perform at six flags. And I would be in the group. I would be like how you would have like Rashad Smith on the drum machine while the real band. I would be like on my MPC playing with the band and probably a keyboard here and there just to keep that element going. and they were so afraid of their dad

that they would perform to the side, to him. There would be 10,000 people in the audience, but they would perform to the dad. And the father would be giving thumbs up and thumbs down during the performance. And extremely abusive, extremely abusive to the point where he had to get dealt with.

Like, between me and the dad, you know, and I think my bond with Kamal was based on that because we weren't, when Kamal, Kamal was on the guitar. So when he was brought in. Yeah, like that. He was the guitar player slash barber. He played guitar with us sometimes before Kirk. Like, wow. During Elin'Oof Half-Life, Kamal would play guitar.

Paul. So, so Kamal and I bonded. Because we were the outside guys. We weren't in their family. So it would be like, yo, man, did you see what the pops just did to the brother? Like, you know, and I kind of like gripped him up like little brother. You know what I'm saying? And, and that's how we bonded from that group because we were going on the road.

Like, and like, Gilly the kids' pops was down with the whole thing too. So young Gilly would be around like 80. eight-year-old, Gilly the kid. You know, so it would be like and, you know, rest in peace because older Sammy's dead. So I can tell the story.

We would be in K-JM and I remember you know, they were getting in their advance and the father had no teeth in his mouth. The father would come and be like, you know, man, you know, we write these records and we do these things, man, you know, you know, I like the fact that you came in

with your records and everything, but, you know, I got to say I wrote them records, man. I'm like, well, first of all, you know, I'm not homie from down the block, you know, like I do have a name to myself, you know, so let's not forget this.

Second of all, there's no way you're going to get my publishing. Oh, man, I'm getting that publishing. And you ain't going to leave this studio without it. Philly style. A word. So we get to rumbling in the studio. What?

Wow. So like... You got hands crying? Very much so. Yes. I mean, not, you know. But, but, so we're, we're in the studio and, and it doesn't turn out well for Sammy. But the funny thing is we have to go on tour the next day.

So I wish I could find this video. We're sitting on the plane, Sammy. You got the busted lip. I got a busted lip. We all sitting there like, but the next thing we got to do is a, uh, meet and greet. A six flag show. And then I was like,

why am I? And me and Kamal's like, why are you even here? Like, why are you even dealing with this? And I'm like, why are you dealing with this? And then I remember, he called me up one day.

He's like, yo, man, I'm being in another group. What? He's like, yo, the roots. I'm going to be in the roots. Like, yeah, right. And I remember he gave me to call the day, whatever y'all did.

So as he graduated. Yeah, that day. Because, matter of fact, me and him went to see y'all at the truck Codero, I believe opening for Trot. Yep. And I was like, yo, that is the dope group.

It's like, yeah, man, they doble shit, man, they doby shit. So for them to tell me, for him to call me, it's like, maybe that group you seen. Yo, I'm in that group now. And I'm like, sure that's what you want to do? You know, is it anything like newborn? No, it's like, everybody knows how to play the music, you know, not like just one person. Oh, me. So, you know, that's how, you know, we.

our bond is, you know, her bond is that old. Wow. So now you know why I hang out backstage, you see me. I see. What the hell's why I'm doing? All right. So I'm going to ask this question from a different angle. Okay.

All right. Have you and Biggie ever had a sit down or a talk before? Yes. Never? Yes. Oh. More than that. What?

I mean, was it an olive branch? Was it an olive branch or? No. Oh. Can you tell us? Damn. Because you made a record on him. No, no, I never made a record on Biggie, but the video had visuals that that record was done, right?

It was like a year before Ready to Die even came out. That record was done. Going through a real whack period on a real whack independent label. And, yeah, itchabana. Wow. That was the, that experience is a movie in itself. Really? Where were they based out of?

Atlanta. It's Kennesaw, Georgia. Oh. Smell that animation. On that local. Smells back to me. What is he from? I was born by an old English, proper English man named John.

What? And John would sip his tea every day at four o'clock. And they were what? No. Yeah. And he would tell us what to, you know, we do not want samples on this record. We would like you to play all your life instruments and, and, you know, very proper.

And, you know, you would go into John's old. and you were like in somewhere in Surrey, somewhere in England, you know, it wasn't like anything, you didn't even think you were in Georgia. It would have like toy trains and weird stuff. So, but, so we do this Itchabon record. And this is the Incognito. Yes, incognito album. Actually, my favorite, one of my favorite productions, honestly, because I was forced to learn not to sample. You know, I was forced to bring in a lot of live instrumentation and singers and just re-imagined things that I could have easily sampled.

And it was like, now I'm going to go in and actually be a producer that I become. So with Big, I never took it personally. Somebody sent me the tape, a tape of the song, like maybe six months before a record came out. I thought it was dope. I loved the record. I love unbelievable. and I think people made it bigger than what it was because the wave changed so drastic

that whatever bad boy said or whatever death row said was law. That was law, yeah, absolutely. So here you go, somebody like me, I have no beef with nobody. You know, I'm not that type of guy in any way, shape, or form, you know, for the most part. And everything that I represented was about, you know, just being laid back, cool, fun, having fun, blah, blah, blah, blah. So now you have Biggie come out, say that, you know,

my style and life is played out, like the polka dots, blah, blah, blah, it's cool. But then people take that literally. You know, it's like it was a literal thing. I would come some, going somewhere, and it was like, I don't let Kwame in. He's played out. What? Stupid shit like that.

So incognito album comes out. And my only way to address it, because this is not like the land of, you know, you can make an album. You know, you have 48 hours to respond. Right, right. That doesn't happen in 1993, 94. So it's like, I got to go and make a record. You know what I'm saying? I got to make a whole full record and get it pressed up and hand it to DJ.

You know, like, I don't have time or money for that, you know. So the only way to respond some way is to put a Biggie lookalike in the what's-a-like video. And it was just him in the background and people throwing stuff at him while he was on stage and his shirt said, Sad Boy or whatever. And the thing was, Biggie was so hot at the time. even the extras was not trying to do it. It was like, yo man, we can't do that, man. You know, if we come in here, they thought everything he said was like, really,

he might shoot us, man, he might, you know, like, they were so brainwashed. And some people still are. You know, like, you know, it's like he's God to a lot of people. So, you know, the brainwash was serious. So there was this thing. If you, actually, if you listen to reasonable doubt, there's a skit in the lady named Maria Davis and she does a thing called Mad Wednesdays. Yeah, that's a real thing.

So Mad Wednesdays. Oh, 22-2s, okay, okay. So on Mad Wednesday, I was supposed to perform. Was Biggie supposed to perform, Dave, or was he just there? Yeah, so everybody came out to see me perform. And Big was there. Me didn't say anything. But Maria just like straight, instinct.

It's like, you here. Biggie's here. Why don't y'all just deal with it now? Oh my God. Who told me that shit for a fucking. You know, why don't you fucking deal with it now? Why don't y'all just deal with it now? You know, how y'all want to do it?

Y'all can take it to the stage. Y'all can take it outside. How y'all want to do it? But y'all both here, we can't have y'all both here and have this issue. So. Wow. Pressure. It's so funny.

because it's like, I'm in a full, I'm still me. So I'm in a black, I remember exactly what I was in. A full black, like Armani suit would slip ons and a black turtleneck looking like chaffed. And I remember big in one of those nasty looking kooj sweaters. And he came over and he's like five times big into me. I'm like only five, six. So he's like six, two, six, three. he comes over and he's rolling like

the biggest blunt I've ever seen in my life it was like the size of this microphone it was rolling in his body like you got a fucking problem with me I was like no you got a fucking problem with me so we're in there talking and I'm like what am I going to do with this big

this big motherfucker is going to kill me and all his boys on and the funny thing is I know so many people from so many places which is a good thing like a lot of the people that's from his area I knew so it was like it was just weird to know that I just had a problem with this guy for no real reason what a rhyme scheme yeah a word like he said things like that about so many people on that album but I don't know how I caught the that bullet so

we're in there just popping shit to each other and I remember little seas came in between us like You're acting crazy. You don't need me. Y'all, y'all, y'all, y' supposed to be loving here, me, and all this is just, all this commotion. I remember the dudes that I was with, I'm naming no names. I'm not going to say you, Dave. But Dave, were you there? Were you there?

That was a new from Dave. We're ready for that fight. So back to, yo, I never knew that the two guys that I was with knew how to moonwalk so well. Oh, no. Or Irish accenting? Oh, my God. There was moon. walk in and I saw it's just me in a suit

little C's Biggie and every person in Brooklyn everybody in the 7-1-8 area code was right there and I was like this is some shit what am I going to do so so so so then it turned into y'all not going to fuck this place up

both of y'all get the fuck out so they kick him out the front they kick me out the back and luckily I knew the area very well. All angles, just Brooklyn dudes and all angles. I was like, oh, man, am I going to, I can talk my way out of anything, but I don't think I can talk my way out of it.

But I don't know if it would have came down to it, but, yo, my ninja skills was on $10 billion. And, you know, man, I had, there you go. And that was, and then I think I saw, And it was always weird moments like that That I would run into him like one time I was in his neighborhood with a girl

And it was in the middle of the night We're walking down the street by Bam music By Bam in Brooklyn And there was like this little alley Between right when you go to Flatbush and Fulton there's like a small alley. And I decided to cut down the alley. In the alley is Biggie and his boys.

I'm like, What's up, Diggoo? Oh. But, like, I knew the car that he drove. You know, I knew his whole, yeah, Maroon Lans. So his head was turned. And I was just like, boom, boom, boom.

Get my moonwalk. Man, I'm just not going to deal with this, man. You know, Spike Lee's walk in the Boat-Bed-Bin-Boo. Yeah, we turn around with a pet now. Exactly. You know, and it was always something like that, or it would be like in a party, like the next time I was in a party, and I'm trying to cut through the party, and I go through the shortcut,

boom, one into him, and it's just me and him. He's like, it was just so fucking funny. We just laughed. And then I just walked the other way, and he was, you know, it was just those kind of, kind of experiences. And it's just so weird because I was super cool with Puff and we never really addressed it, but then we ended up working together at time.

You know, I've ended up working with everybody pretty much around the situation. So it was just like, I think it was just more of a trumped up. Well, I thank you because at the end of the What They Do video, he was after us. He's like, yo, the niggle with the stick, I'm going to fuck him up. No, for real, he said that.

He told Dreamhampton that, yo, that old nigga with the stick. The old nigga. The old nigga. Let me specify. It was like 21. John Mulmore, that old thing with the stick of McCourt for him first. Bam. Wow.

So y'all never talked, like, y'all never, like, I guess, squashed it. Just kind of just faded away, whatever. They just moodwalked right out. I got to just last. I got my, dude, dude, dude. I got my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, jean jacket on my little bowtimes okay so

before we close because I feel like the world really doesn't know you didn't go anywhere if anything you elevate it to the next level with production so was it just a do or die moment for you like I refuse to go out like I am

you know what I think for me music is just it's not just just what I do. You know, a lot of people like, you don't, you know, it's not who you are, it's what you do. No, for me, being creative, doing music in some shape or form is pretty much my full makeup. And, um. So are you perplexed when people, because I'm certain that people see you as call on me like, yeah, where the hell you've been? Like, whatever. He fell up and like, when you say,

like, no, I'm K1 Mill. No, no, you know what, like, is it like, it's not even that. Because like the K-1 thing that that probably lasted two records and it was because somebody talked me into like yo your name is mud man you got to you got to switch it up all this time that you were producing under K1 million as your alias okay no so it was like the Lloyd banks on fire and I did a group of record I did a Mary J. Blige record on her No More Drama album and two L.O. Cool J. record so four records and all in total. You didn't tweet too, or was that?

Yeah. So after that, Jojo. It came. The white girl of Jojo? Yeah. What's Jojo? I love her.

She's amazing. Yeah, Jojo's actually dope. Yeah, she is. Her week in rendition? I heard that first album. I remember we put it on and we were like, what that? Yeah.

Where does little white girl get this? Yeah. K1Mell. Wow. So I think one of the, the, the changing points to not use K1Mill is LL. When I got to the studio,

you're like, Kwan, why are you here? And I was like, because I'm doing the record. And like, I'm on the record with him and the whole thing, he's like, wait, that's you? He's like, why are you, what the fuck is like, K1Mill? Like, what the hell is that? And then, you know, it was like, you know, this LL telling you that?

Yeah, and I'm like, you know, why am I allowing, why am I allowing, Others. And it was done, it wasn't done in malice. You know, shouts to my man Ron Lawrence, because he, Ron Lawrence. From the Haman, Ron Lawrence. Yes. Amon Ra.

He's from my neighborhood as well. And he pretty much put me back in. You know what I'm saying? He, through his, through his connections and his production, he put me back in. But he was like, yo, man, don't use Kwameh because people, they're associated with something old. and go by K1Mill. And K1Mill was a joke, actually. It was me playing around on the microphone.

I was acting like a robot. I am K1Mill and I'm here too blah. That's literally what I was doing, bugging out. And so that turned into when LL was saying that and didn't realize that I was there, I was like, look, man, I can't, I can't, I am who I am and I'm not going to allow things to cut that short.

So either you're going to accept this music, if you don't accept the brand, I can't, I just, I guess this is not for me. But the music should be able to speak for itself. And I never wanted to be the producer that just did one type of genre or one type of artist. So I would, you know, I'm doing, say, switch from Will Smith. And, you know, that record.

Criminally underrated record. Yeah, but it was a, number one record, like 15 countries. You know what I'm saying? I would love that song. You know, and, and, and people, everybody told me, don't do that. It'll destroy your life. Why?

Like, it changed my life. Wait, what? You know, but so you have Switch on one side, but Lloyd Banks on the other side. And then you have tweet over here, and then I do a Christina Aguilera record, then a Pussy Cat Doll's record, then a Mary J. Blige's record. Then, you know, it'll be things for movies like, step up. And, you know, just little things falling in to, to, to, you know, its places.

And, um... Yeah, I remember we had music in that HBO movie dancing in September. That was the first thing. That was the first thing that I, you know, that was actually like kind of like my coming, trying to really, really come back. You know, it was nominated for Emmy for it. You know, so it was a... It was the one.

It was like bamboozle. Nicole Ari Parker was in it. And then your boy, um, that was on grades but got fired. Isaiah. Isaiah, Isaiah, Washington. Yeah. I think I've seen that. Was that take place in Baltimore?

No, she just from Baltimore. No, there was like a TV and, yeah. We forgot something. We skipped over something major. Oh, okay. What? Poison by Belbiv-Devonne. Excuse me?

Wait, what? Excuse me? What are you saying? What are you saying? You wrote that, right? I wrote, I wrote, I wrote, technically wrote the rhymes and then it just turned into Ronnie DeVos' rhyme, but it was. Wait, what?

Yeah, it was, the funny thing was. I don't know this. I never told any. I got to bring the alarm. Checking out the fellas. I figured you would have noticed. How do you know that? Because I know shit.

So, so. Sorry, baby. Me, this is the weird story. I was in L.A. I was staying in L.A. That summer I lived in L.A. one house party was being filmed. And I ended up not doing anything but messing around with chicks. So this was one girl I was dealing with.

And it was just, it was so weird, man. I was like staying at this girls. house and she had a job so I would like she would just leave me in her house with her little brother and then her brother would like hey man you like new addition I'm like yeah I guess so you want to meet him sure so he takes me to Ralph's house what so we go to Ralph's house and wait wait yo man he takes a weird turn no world yeah he's like he's like 7 16 oh okay okay I'm thinking so we go to Ralph's house We're all in the valley somewhere.

I have no idea where I'm at. I cannot, because I was staying at these apartment complex is called Oakwood. So Oakwood was in proper L.A. And I was somewhere out in the valley. I have no idea. Because I had to wait for her to come home and take me back. So the brother takes me to Ralph's house. So I spend like half the morning, me and Ralph just chopping up getting super cool,

talking and everything. And he said, hey, you want to meet the rest of the guys? So then we go to this other house in the hills. and Ronnie, Ricky, and, um, um, no, Ronnie and Ricky were living together. Mike was there. Of course, he was on his own. Yeah. So everybody's playing Sega all day.

No, no, no, no. So then Mike was like, hey, man, you want to hang out tonight. I'm like, sure, sure. I'm going to let you hear some stuff because we, we all going to be a group. Well, who's the group? us three we're gonna be a group you know man I was like the two nine sinkers

I think everyone I was like man you're bugging what's the name of group BB to yell okay the draws so exactly

so that night me me Mike Dana Dame and our homeboy Doug well in us

he had a Jeep Cherokee, a brand new Jeep Cherokee. We thought it was the dopest car in the world. And we're driving to this club called the Palladium. And he puts on the demo, the beat of poison. And I was like, y'all just jacked only you. That's almost like, only you beat.

And so I'm like, all right. Like, yeah, man, you should write some rhymes for us. And I heard like, it was like a loose singing. Girl, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, this is the worst thing I have. And that was kind of offended because the beat reminded me only you. So I was just like, give me a napkin. What? So in a napkin, like poison deadly, moving in slow, looking for a mellow fellow like a vote.

You wrote that. Wow. You're living a hard money in a wholesale. The low pro is like an afro. You're saying, huh? Oh. You work. I know.

You just wrote it like that. How do I know? Wow. I was like here, this will never come out. Wow. Wow. And I was like, play the beat. This is how you say it.

You know, I said it to the beat and it was like, hey man, I think you got it. I think I got it. And the next year, there it was. And you didn't ask for any publishing and nothing like that. Please tell me you did. It worked. Come on, man. Come on.

It worked out after the fact. But on the album, it just says, thank you. Thanks, Kwame. Uh-uh. But technically, I have a, technically, can you, can you, you could live off of this, this song alone? And my mind you learned in previous episodes that when there's more than one, unless you own 100% publishing.

Okay, no, no. So, you can't live off of it. Okay. We learned that already on Press Love Supreme. Okay, you're right. Sneakermanie. Snick or something. Ann Allison, Alie Woolis.

Did you say sneaky? Ali Willis. That was, yeah, she was the worst example. She really did. She waited and waited. Yeah. Do you know Allie Willis? She wrote September 535.

She was the black whisper, the black barbecue whisper. Automatic. Yeah. Oh, I love automatic. Friends, the friends thing. No, seriously. Color purple, the play. The lyrics to automatic are incredible.

Like, I love that song. Pointer Sisters automatic. Yes. Oh, just making sure you get a prince automatic. The lyrics to. Neutron dance. Yeah, Neutron dance. Yeah, no.

I like Neutron dance too. Okay, no. Something about Autum. I love that. No, let me, I'm wrong about it. Um, but, um, yeah, so that's how, that's how poisoning. I was, I was, in the video. I was at the video.

I didn't get in the video. I can't believe you didn't know that. Matter of fact, the girl I was messing with was the poison girl. No, from the, her legs, from the down shot. Oh, wow. Oh, she was there. I was like, making sure, yo, y'all, you know, y'all just, you know, you know, just, you know,

You know, y'all can sing about her butt, but... Wow. Going home with me. You can sing about a butt, man, ass is my... Wait, are there any other... Ghosts written? Weird stories that I don't know that... Give me a napkin.

Of that level? No, I don't think so. I don't know. Do we ask the random... So, Vin Diesel was the cousin, but he didn't help you get out the fight with Biggie? Vin Diesel's your cousin? Yeah, he's my cousin. But he's not going to help me fight.

I just ask you. Did he have any facts? Well, he was a bouncer. club I thought it won't turn the time in his life so no I wouldn't have thought I wouldn't call him up to fight nobody different than Diesel no but he's in he's in a he's in my nasty video

the nasty video oh shit dancing no he's the boyfriend that's trying to beat me up in the nasty video hold on because that means he has hair you know he likes to hide that from us so so we can maybe and the funny thing is me I was gonna I was gonna put him he before he wanted to

well he was always acting and stuff He was just a creative guy into the arts. And he's my, he's my older cousins. He's not like, we're not the same age. So they would have to watch me type stuff. He has a twin brother. Him and his twin brother, I used to always hang out. Ben Diesel's a twin?

Who knew that? But it's a twin. He's a fraternal twin. It's a fraternal twin. Oh, never mind. Forget it. Paul, his brother, Paul, he's a dope video. I mean, film editor.

Like trailers and actual films like Paul. Ben Diesel. Look him about Paul Vincent. And their younger sister, Samantha, she's my age. So we used them more. I need to see this hair texture. Hold on. I got to get one of these siblings.

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for records that our guests have done. But on this episode, we're going to do it a little different. This time it's me that got in trouble. Okay. For a Kwame record. For a Kwame, well, what I did with a Kwame record. Okay, what happened? My parents got an answering machine shortly after the second album came out.

And if you know how, you remember how the first album, or the second album starts, starts with Kwame leaving an outgoing message. Welcome to the Bones. Yes. One day when my parents were out of the house, I replaced our outgoing voicemail message with Kwame. Oh, man. My parents were not pleased. Well, that was fucking stupid Should I do it?

That was my shit You know what I mean? It was our first answer machine My dad had You know some generic, boring, outgoing message I was like, no, we can't be lame like that Oh wow We got to put something cool on there

And you, that was your outgoing message That was our outgoing message For like a half an hour So somebody called and told your mom Like, yo, what is going on? Yeah, they were like, what is it on your outgoing message? Like, y'all need to change that. Oh, wow.

And so, you know, they hit the button. I got on punishment for a while. Oh, look, that's on Midwest. I got them published punishment. No, punishment is real, man. That ain't whoopens. You know, it's funny, I don't, I can't go back and listen to the old records. Not that I don't like them.

I just, just don't listen to them. I don't watch videos. I don't watch old records. And the only time that an old record will come on in the mind that I'll listen to, It's because it's on Fresh Prince of Bel Air. It's on shuffle. My iPhone is on shuffle. I thought you're going to say it's on Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

Oh, yeah. When they do only you? But you know what? I didn't see that episode to like 10 years after that. Wow. Wow. I never saw it. I think Jeffrey's dancing to a club or something.

It's called Loving. The episode is Love in the Elevator. And then they use it again on another episode. But now those checks were. I'm about saying. Those were good. Two pairs of sneaker money. Yes.

And I bought some. milk and there was some lean years and those, those, uh, fresh prints. And I let Will know.

I was like, let me tell you something, man. Will has definitely, Will shows up in my life at very pivotal points. So, so the first time I met Will.

He's like the real life back event. Yeah, no, for real. The first time I met Will. That was good. Was an. And where

LA And I met him He hosted a show It was me Um MC Hammer Um I want to say too short

And Tony Tony Tone And he hosted this show And Actually that day I met Ice Cube He introduced I was my name was Ice Cube I was about to say Everyone in the show

Could were those love shirts but then nice kid came in with a black t-shirt so ruin that fantasy so i was will saw me in the crowd i used to go out into the crowd and try to get girls and he just saw me in the crowd not being as professional as i could be so i didn't know i didn't know i don't know well he's like you know let me pull he pulled me to say let me tell you for a second so you got to understand what you're doing you know you got to you don't act like you're better than anybody else But you have to understand that you have to put yourself on a level. And even if you're not on that level yet, prepare yourself for a next level.

And prepare yourself to be on a next level. And I'm like, what is the most of you're preaching to me? But he kept talking. And it kind of changed my attitude at the time. And then he had like this house party. And he had a house in Gladwin. I think he said this house in Gladwin, Pennsylvania. And we went to the party and he was like, man, you know, I want to show you something.

So he takes me to like the living room or whatever and whatever the Grammys he had won at this point. I think it was like three at the time. He was like, you know, I want you to understand why I'm showing you this. He said because, you know, I don't know if you'll ever win one if you ever won't. but a lot of times people don't set to achieve something because they can't visualize it. They don't see it. They don't understand it.

So I think that you can at some point be able to achieve this. So I just wanted you to see what this is. And understanding, he was like, you know, he showed me to crib. He was like, you know, like a lot of rappers, they just try to buy chains and cars and clothes or whatever. But, you know, you should really point at real estate. You should really point looking at, you know, understanding what the mortgages.

He was just doing all this real talky, you know, like preachy fatherly stuff. Because he learned the hard way. Yeah. And it was a weird. And things that we should do to each other as well. We should pass down knowledge. Yeah.

And he was saying that. And so that was another point. And then when I needed money the most, the Fresh Prince of Bel Air show did only you. And that helped, you know. And then to bring me to a, another level as a producer, he shows up again and he picks Switch. And, you know, and even recording Switch, just having real in-depth life conversations. Um, you know, and also he had a video

so fresh and it was him and Bismarkey. And I was like at a, you know, there was, like I said, there was a period of time. It was nothing popping. You know, I just, I did not have any paper. And, you know, He reached out, said, yo man, get in the video, you know, blah, blah, blah. Allow me to be in the video, you know, gave me some, you know, some cool exposure. So there was always little points of points of light that will put down. So, you know, I definitely appreciate him for that. You should probably hang out with him more often, you know, call him up, you know, like on the regular. Yeah, actually, okay, before I wind up, this is probably my last chance to have this moment.

to ask this question. Oh, yeah, I already know. Do you have any Latin quarter stories? With a song yet. I was waiting for this. Once he affirms it, we can finally bust it. I don't because I was too young to get in there. I turned in and turned in and then to the Latin Quarter.

So. I thought you had on. So Latin, so there was three clubs that meant something, the Latin Quarter, the Union Square, and Red Parrot. Red Parrot That was like the Melly Meli Mell crowd But you hear about the red parrot

You gotta go So I was able to Sometimes I would tag along With salt and pepper And Herbie and Dana And sneak in places But the Latin quarter And Union Square

That I don't know I'm pretty sure you've heard A million stories But when I tell you It's like beyond the thunder dome In there Have we heard the thunder dome yet?

I've been outside the Latin quarter. I've been at the door and the door swings open and everybody runs out. Wow. But. Wait, outside is probably the most dangerous part of the Latin Quarter. We've heard more stories about outside the Latin Quarter than probably inside it. Outside was grimy. Inside was grimy.

The 80s, man. Like, y'all don't understand New York City in the 80s. It's the Latin court, that's the least of your worries. Like going to a club like that or going to the Union Square or even the tunnel, you know, early tunnel. It's the train ride home. You know, it's, it's, that's the, that's the Russian roulette. Yeah.

It's the train ride home. It's trying to get in. It's trying to get out. It's, you man. And I don't understand. Everybody played that Russian roulette. They get their chain. They get their whatever.

You would get sliced for a polo. Like if you had on a polo visor, you would get lumped. And you were fresh all the time. So like it wasn't risky for you to be? Well, my fresh was thrift store fresh. Yes. So it wasn't like, we don't want that. But then at the same time, like I said.

So you weren't ballied out? You weren't. There would be ballys, but then in the thrift store, everything else. All the money would be on the bally. Okay. So, yeah. So it was never sneakers. You know, so, you know, like when Jordan Wans came,

it was like the first $100 sneaker. So it was like, I wasn't doing that. But outside of that, it was, I'm telling you, man, like A-Sharp, I lent him at a goose that resembled a polo goose. It was like polio by Ralph Cramden. It wasn't even. Polio by Ralph Crandon.

I might have to make a sure. He got sliced on the four train from shoulder to hip. And they sliced them. They sliced through the jacket. And the slice was so clean. He didn't know until he got home. And he's like, they were like, yo, your back is wet. They didn't get to take the coat?

It just, they sliced it. And I don't know what the commotion was, but it was my coat. And so I didn't put this. way. He told me he got sliced, but he never told me he got sliced for my coat. And I didn't find out for like years. I was like when are you going to give my coat back? Oh man, my mom's put it somewhere. I can't find it.

He was just so ashamed to tell me that that's why he got sliced. And I felt terrible. I'm lending him my goose. My mother's like, I bought you this coat and you're not, you don't wear it. I said, I don't know where the Al had it. Stop lending your clothes to Al. Because we used to trade like, you know, like you and Rick, we would trade

clothes and stuff. So that's like how it was going to these clubs. So you literally, if you didn't know, if you didn't have a crew, it was like the Warriors, man. It's like that's the best way to describe it. Like, you know, you and your six guys got together. What are we going to do tonight? We're going to go to Latin Quarter.

You all ready for this? We'll listen to some songs. We may meet a girl, we may dance. But you do know that we are fighting our way out. And it's going to. going to be, we have to be one for all on his train. So it would, and, and then, you know, like I said, my age, I'm 15, you know, 14, 15, when Latin Coles is really popping. So there's no way I was going to get in. I wasn't savvy enough for the fake ID. Remember, like the fat boys? Right. And

crush group. Yeah. I couldn't do that. And Herbie was like, nah, man, I can't subject you to this. Like, you're a little kid you can't do it man so we would just sneak around but you know from Okay that's a non-Latin quarter story Enough to warrant this Yeah

So it's from the Latin question Baja Baja ha ha Hey Hey Hey Anything to warrant that Fuck

It's so good It's so So racist So The racist is so perfect conclusion. It's going to be racist to any Latin community, so that's a great part. Kwame, man, wow, this is way beyond my expectations for this. Thank you.

It was life lessons. It was a journey. It was everything that I ever wanted. My 10-year-old dream come true. No, straight up, no, man. I don't know. His Skazoo, you know, Skazoo, he talks about how, like, you were his favorite rapper and stuff. Like, me and him, we talk about it.

And, like, I just want to say, just thank you, man. Like, you really, you were like just the memories I have in my childhood of, like, buying your tape. Oh, man. You were my first, you were like the only music that my pops ever bought me. You remember when we first met? When was this? Sean Burke Center, Harlem. No weed.

It was. This was, was it that thing that, like, it was like a forum or some shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I stopped the violence and some shit. You know, and I really respected you guys. Wait, there was violence in 2006? No, I wasn't buying. It was like a, it was like one of those forms where we get together to talk about, like, images and media.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's a panel. Okay. We can make it better. Like I got super cool at night from there, you know, I always thought that y'all was like super, you know, my thing is, it's cool to meet people on a musical level, but I'm more on a personal level, like, how people are as people, you know, what we do is what we do, you know. And it's always a matter of opinion to whoever listens to it. But when you meet people on a personal level, I think that's dope.

So I just wanted to drop that on. Oh, man, thank you, brother. Much appreciated it, man. to you, like just thank you for the music. You were certainly inspiration. Thank you. Well, that's dope. And you and Lydia are making some beautiful music together.

Oh, thank you. Every song is a, I'm, yeah, everyone. Thank you. You know, that's, you know, real quick, I know you want to wrap up. But, you know, luckily, you know, I always wanted to control my own music and control the fate of my music. Being a producer, you just get a check. And you don't know which, if you're number one on the album,

or number seven on the album, you don't know if it's going to be single or not. And if it is the single, you don't know. don't know the ins and outs. So I have a label, Make Noise, and it's distributed through Caroline Capital Records. And the first artist on that label is Vivian Green from Philly. And the way that turned out, it's weird because it turned out me trying to suggest that she makes a certain type of record. And she's not being with it at all. And I'm sending her tracks song ideas and everything and we record

this one record called Get Right Back to My Baby over a Frankie Beverly sample and I just threw it out there without her knowing and you know it became a barbecue type hit record

you know the piggyback off of the original record and and it spawned the whole label deal and everything so you know I enjoy, I'm at a point in my career that I don't know where things are going to go. I don't know if it's going to be a super hit record or whatever, but I'm also at a point

where my concern isn't there. As long as I have an outlet to put something out creative, I don't know what's going to happen. So like with the Vivian records, you know, each record that we put out for the charts that she's on, the UAC charts, we're like number 10, five, two, three. You know, so we do well in that space. And it's cool. We do great. You know, I perform with the band.

You know, it's great. You know, we do arenas. We do clubs. We do. And she's doing more than ballets. So that's good. Yeah. And that's another thing.

It's like, I like live energy. I like live musical energy. So it just gives me an outlet to do that. Amongst the other artists that I'll have coming later. But, you know. Okay. There's another artist out of Philly named Michelle. She's out of Bucks County that more of a pop-pop-electro artist.

So that gets me to explore that side of production as well. So that's the next situation coming. She goes by Michelle? Yeah, just Michelle. She didn't want to change the way. That's going to be a search engine dream of mine. Hey, man. It's the way you're spelling it.

It's M-I-S-H-E-L. Oh, Jesus. You know, hey, man. You know what? psychological. Exactly. With the question. That shit is deep.

What can you do, man? It's like, you know, I think a name, a name definitely is very important. And I think an artist before they come out has a million names. So if it's Michelle now. Okay, I'll go with that one. It could be poop-a-lo-poop-poop. By the end, by the end it comes. comes out. You know, and I'm glad you guys are saying that. I'm glad you guys are, you're saying

what you're saying because sometimes artists need to hear that. They're not listening. You know, there's another rapper, there's another rapper that I work with now. A phenomenal rapper, but the stuff isn't out yet. You know, he, his name, his, he goes by the name of Bobby J. So it's like, why are you using, why are you saying that? And there's nothing against him because you are a great lyricist you're a great MC but sometimes artists feel like they are married

to a name for a certain reason and sometimes it works sometimes we'll hear a name and be like what but it still works like when I heard Lady Gaga for the first time I was like what is that you know and it but it worked when I seen her I was like

so so you never know where it falls but it's always good for that constructive criticism to hit you, you know, because I could have been Jazzy KGQ and y'all would not have been talking to me like that. Would you be Quest for Love? What was it? Oh, my first name?

Yeah, Brother Question, that's right. Beat Recycler of the rhythm? Well, first I was A sample. Oh, no. And then I was another name that Tariq, divine technician. Oh, my gosh. And brother? You know, you know.

Yeah, but you know. But this is the lesson we learned. See, and that's why he left K1. Thank you, L.O. Yeah. Your name is your name. Yeah, because, you know, like, you know, and it's, I understand. Plus, K-12 is out now.

You don't want to be affiliated. Yeah, you know. It's a bad job. It's a bad job. Wait, who's K-12? K-12 is the shit that's killing niggas in D.C. Oh, that's the new drug? No, you know, K-2 is the mountain.

Is it the we that they YouTube each other? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. If you ever see somebody in real life on that. Run. They're going to eat your face. My whole neighborhood. We did a show in D.C. And these firemen were there.

He was like, you know, I want to show you something, man. We had to stop this guy on K-12. And he showed me the video. This dude was butt-naked in the middle of the street doing this crazy dance and then starting to roll around. He thought monsters were eating them. That's some real. That's a walker dead.

It's definitely. It's like me once on. We. How I accidentally. We had. Browning. Two wheat. I told you.

No, I just guess. Yeah. It was bad. I have a weed brownie experience too. Y'all just ate together. I feel like your tolerance is the same. Everything happens in L.A., man. I swear it's right.

I got this weed cookie, and I swear, like, I thought the aliens were coming to get me. I thought feds were coming to get me. I thought it was like I was driving home and I was super paranoid. I was like, if they stop me, they can check my DNA. I wanted to go home so bad. I was so bad, man.

I was like, I don't know what a... Is the car actually dry out? You're so fucked up, man. Like you're saying, I feel his face is saying. Yeah, I want a cookie or whatever I was. It won't do it for you, Steve. It won't do it for you and it does for them because they're, you know, lightweight. What's wrong with that?

P.S., is there a thrift store you got that Benetton jacket all at? Because I miss Benetton really hard. Yeah, I'm kind of, you style in 186 Benetown, Barcelona. I'm sorry, what? You got it in Barcelona? In Barcelona? Come on, man. Stunning on you

Lightweight What about the hat though Where can we get one of them hats Actually With the old logo What I'm doing It's going to be a 30th anniversary Of Boy Genius coming up next year

So all the like paraphernalia like Dad caps Fitted pins buttons You know like exclusive Letterman jackets All that

Even a BMX bike We're doing Yeah And the desktop That was on the front Covering I know right. I mean, that was

aggressive yeah, that old keyboard and everything. All right, Kwame. Oh, you can find, no, let me say my social media. I think that's a generic thing. So at,

at Kwame Vision on Instagram and Kwame did it on Twitter. And I'll post, I post a lot. So, but I'll post, you know, information about the paraphernalia and all that kind of stuff.

Okay. We will definitely. Follow me back. Hit up, yeah. Laii will make sure that the socials get all the information. Like I said, it's been real.

Thank you, man. Thank you for having me. It's been fun. It's been real education. I'm still getting over a poison. I know, yeah. I just, where's that napkin? Get me a napkin.

I know, right? Instagram, get Chaumea of blue checks. Stop playing. Yes. You know what? Instagram said that I was not worthy of a blue check. What the day? Let me, let me vouch.

Let me know who I was. I'll make some phone call. Thank you. I got you. All right. Thank you for a company. me on a school bus ride. Yes.

I was just saying thank you for accompanying me on all those school bus rides. There you go. Yep, on the Sony Walkman. Yes. She was having a moment. Yes, I'm having a moment. It's only been Kwame and Prince.

Yeah, I feel you. Quame was that dude for me back in the day, man. Thank you. Straight up. Yeah. Still at a kid. Yeah. Anyway, sugar Steve and the sugar networks.

Oh, yeah. Why are you hating lying? I'm not. Did I say that out loud? I'm sorry. Yeah. I'll say that out loud. Fon Tigolo, it's Laia, it's still Laia,

boss bill, unpaid bill, and Kwame. Thank you very much. Thanks, Dave. We will see you on the next go-round of Questlove Supreme. My name is Questlove, and this is Pandora. See you later. Peace. Questlove Supreme is a production of I-Heart Radio.

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