The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: Michael Che

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

SNL royalty and stand-up comedian Michael Che joins Team Supreme to discuss his anecdotes and accolades. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My bad Subremma roll call That was a Steve Submira roll call My name is sugar Yeah I'm old as hell Yeah

I'm even older Yeah Than S&L Roll call Suprema Suprima Subramo RELTYS SUPRIMA ROCOR

It's L-E-M. Yeah. And that's Michael Chey. Yeah. It's about to get deep. Yeah. Let's talk gentrification bang. Roll call.

Suprema. Subrama. Subrema, sub-srema roll call. Supremma. Submina. Submina. Role call. Yeah.

And I'm the guest. Yeah. I don't know how to do this. Yeah. Help me out, Quest. Procala. Supremma. You can have a phone on.

Suprema Roe Car Supriva Subima So You got the hang of it No, I liked it Yeah That was good

That rhymed Yo, you freest out that I actually recorded the track An Electric Lady studio When you're a When you're a student of 30 Rock University You have to think quick on your feet

Improop game like why? Yeah You know No slouches at 30 Rock. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another edition of Questlove Supreme. You host, Questlove, we have Team Supreme. This is this our blackest episode? This is the blackest episode.

Yeah. Yeah, it is. Steve. Well, yeah, but Steve. Call me Tyrone today. No, Steve, you know, you got the sugars and actually, I got the strangest call this morning. My doctor called me said I was healthy. What?

What? Yeah, I mean, I started. I still have the sugars. I'm about saying your diabetes is in remission. I don't heard of that. No, no, I still got sugars. But I went the other day, took some blood tests, and she called. And she had, like, this amazing voice of, like, she couldn't believe it.

She was like, I'm so happy to be calling you right now. You got the color back to the cheese? She didn't trace, like, all the coffee in your system. I'm like, what's up? She's like, you're healthy. Like, with a question. And an exclamation point, I was out. Wait, not show of hands, but when he said that I was a little slightly disappointed.

I thought he was going to sell me. I feel like there's such an achievement that Steve is so committed to us that he got blacked. You see, Michael, what you don't know is that Quest gave Steve the sugars. So that's why it's really messed up. Steve's been my engineer for 20 years and I guess he had to adapt.

You gave it to him. That was my bonus one year for Hanukkah. He had to adapt to my diet. And so, you know, doing an entire summer of soul food literally gave him diabetes. look about. You know, so. Well, I'm happy that you're healthy.

Yeah, I mean, relatively. You seem thrilled about it, by the way. Well, it was one of those moments. I was actually sitting on the toilet. And I got the call from my doctor. I was like, well, this is it. You know, like, this is how it is? This is how it is.

This is where I'm going to get the news right here. Oh, no. And she gave me good news. I was like, all right, great. All right. Keep them moving. Keep them moving. Keep them feet.

Do you have another? Man. Do you have another moniker now? Well, are there any other black? diseases I could get like because sickle cell lupus. Yeah there's more The gout.

Actually sickle cell is exclusive to really black people. You can't fake that. Stress. Yeah, hypertension. Hypertension. Hypertension. Yeah, that's a very black one.

Yeah. So, you know, anyway. Those sound great. And rhythm. Well, that's not a disease. Yeah. Get shot by the police. How about it's possible?

Yeah. We have a whole list for the institutional racism. Anyway, our guest today is not only the first African-American host of, are we still using that?

Or we just black? I like black. I like black, too. I like black. All right, ladies and gentlemen, our guest is not only the first black host of Estinels. S&L's institution,

we can update. Shame. But also, actually, you're double first because I believe that you're the first black host of the 2018, or the emerald. No way. I don't think I'm the first black host.

Who else hosted the Emmys? I have no idea. I know he did the Oscars, right? Yeah, he did the Oscars. Chris did the Oscars. Man, you gotta know this answer. I don't know. I'll be honest with you.

I really don't know. I believe that you're the first black host. Oh man. Yeah, George Lopez was probably the closest we got. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did close. We'll see what happens. You know.

It's kind of weird in 2018. We're still celebrating first. First Blacks. Shout out to Beyonce and... Right! First Blase! Black on Coach Coachella first black did. She's the first black person. Black woman to, yes, to headline Coachella.

No kidding. Yeah, no kidding. Wow. Yeah. But, and also the Vogue issue. Oh, yeah. And her getting a, I'm sorry. Questlove, you didn't turn your phone down?

This is my lawyer. Your doctor called you this morning. My lawyers called me right now. It's probably another lawsuit. Yeah, but basically, Vogue just used their first, the first African-American photographer for the cover.

And in its 100... Nah, they did, yeah. And it's 108-year history. I didn't even know that Vogue was around and, yeah. Yeah, that long. That's why that black issue, you know, there's an actual black issue of Vogue that came out, like, five years ago, five, six years ago.

I think I remember. But that was the Italian. Exactly. Yo, it was funny because I thought back, that's when I was heavy on my eBay join. So I ordered, like, Like, Rieke's wife, Tarek's wife was like, yo, this is the most historical thing. It's going to be eBay Gold.

So I purchased like 25 issues of that thing. And now I can't find it. Anyway, this is how we do the show. We don't even introduce the guest until I happen. No, yeah, I'm with it. So, ladies. I'm picking it up. Welcome to the show.

IG Story sneaker god, Michael Cheye. Yes. I got to say, Mike, I mean, like, I know Clark Kent, and New York knows that Clark Kent is the god of sneaker collecting. Yeah. Like, he got me my job at Nike when I was working for Nike. That's how much of a sneaker guy to you. Yeah. But I will say that I envy no one.

Ah. And there's sneaker collection more than you. Oh, man. You're a king stunt. Wow. And you do the same thing you're like, these old things, whatever. Okay, I'll take that.

When you, you know, and I'm often at 30 Rock watching you guys, like, do you often like choose your sneakers like, yo, I'm a stunt on, I'm a stunt on who's tonight. I never, well, only, I'll break out certain ones for certain people. I'm like, oh, this is going to be a fun one. I can't wait to say it.

But like, I don't, when I was a kid, it was never really the sneakers. It was always, like, just fresh sneakers. Okay. It was always about, You could have a $50 but they was fresh. They was like, all right.

So like for me it was always, I had to buy a lot because I had to keep them fresh. So to keep them clean, I would just buy a four or five pet. Okay, that's what I was going to ask because your joins always look fresh out the box. Yeah, that was always the growing up, that was the thing. Your sneakers had to be fresh.

It didn't care. Sox and draws. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. I mean that was socks and drawers. So can you describe these sneakers. You have on today,

Mr. Che. Yeah. What's going on here on your feet? These are, and these are actually beaters. These are, these are, these is Concord 11s, but these is like, I think the, the 2011 ones. And these is like, I probably wore these like seven times, eight times. They're fresh and white.

Nah, but these aren't even like, I got something in the box that's like, never, never had a factory. Yeah, yeah, factory. You could hear him snap when you walk, you hit the crack a little bit. Jays don't hurt your feet? No, Jays, there's no Jays that hurt my feet. they're comfortable slippers.

They're the most comfortable sneakers. You know what I don't like is the, like, there's certain sneakers that now they have like the sock kind of feel or whatever. Those hurt a little bit because it just feels like I'm walking on the floor. Like the J's, the soul is so actually made for, like I feel like I'm in shoes, you know?

The 11s are the ones, like the comfortable ones. I like the ladies. These are comfortable. The threes are the most comfortable. I fly with those because I can take them off and put them back on. Like they mad comfortable. I hate both your.

right now. Like, I have, the only ones I fuck with. I have an illustrious Jordan collection, but I can't wear them. Like, really? You made Jordans, didn't you?

Didn't you like this? No, no, I just work for air. But the thing, the thing is, is like, I have to prepare me wearing, rocking some Jordans, which goes into shaving my corns off. Oh, shit.

Oh, God. Your bunions? Soke my feet. Maybe sleeping upside down so the circulation goes down so my foot- Oh God. Anything like with the exception of

I told you about Tony Maiden, the guitarist from Rufus. Yeah, like he just to fit some cowboy boots from Japan, he had his feet shaved. Shaved. With and length just so that he could fit

a pair of cowboy boots. That seems rather extreme. That's disgusting. Oh, yeah. Damn. Anyway, Michael. That was beautiful. Yeah, your sneaky games on point, bro.

I always love fresh kicks. You're not wearing those under the desk though. Yeah, yeah. No matter what, you're wearing them under the desk. I was like, when do we see your sneaks unless it's like at the end of the show? Always, always. I used to put my foot on the desk at the end of episodes. Oh, so you get it.

And then people, but I would put my foot on the desk just like, as a move to put your foot on the desk and people are like, you're showing off your sneakers. I was like, no, I just always wear ill sneakers. So it looks like I'm showing them over, but I was literally just putting my foot on desk. So I stopped doing it because. because people thought I was showing off sneak. And they were like, what are you going to wear next week?

And I was like, ah, that's not fun. Then I look like a billboard, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's not. Yeah, that's not. Yeah, see, I'll be the last one too. It's like, keep doing that. So are you a native New Yorker? Yeah, I'm Lower East Side.

You living there now, you were born? No, I was born. My whole family is from the same project. I'm like a legacy. Yeah, like, we're from the process. My grandparents. Wait, which one? Smith projects.

Like, I'm sorry, I'm new to New York. You don't live there. You know, right. I'm not giving your address away. No, I don't let the projects. Okay, okay. Like, what address? The projects?

Like, what cross streets? This is like Catherine slipped. Like, between Catherine and Madison is the whole project. My whole family is from, like, what they call the Dark Side. So that's 2180. Damn. It does that. I would say, when we shot what they do, we had to go to the projects to shoot a rooftop

scene. And the first thing that I was thinking, I was like, yo, this is like the Hugs and Kisses project. Like, yeah, yeah. It was old grandmothers or whatever. Like, but it was late 90s, so I was expecting. In Manhattan. Wait, where was it? Lower, like Lower Manhattan.

And I remember there was a lot of projects. There was concern from the label. The hell. There was like mad concern from the label. And, you know, when we got there, they were like prepping and it's like, okay, guys, make sure security, you know, because we thought we were going to the project to shoot the scene. Yeah. And when we got there, we were just like, wait a minute.

This is not project enough. Yeah. Yeah. There's a project we used to go to, like, specifically for Halloween. And it was just all old people. You would go there and just, yeah, the trick and nobody, like, visited them, sadly. So they, they was, like, happier about Halloween. and we was when we was kids.

We'd go over there and we'd rack up. It was great. It was awesome. You're not from, you're from projects in Philly? Do projects like that, really? It's like row houses and shit. It's limited. Roe houses.

Tarreek makes fun because my father, we were the only house that never got broken into because my dad would put, like, security rod iron gates around our entire crib, so it looked like I lived in a prison. Like the front board. But yeah, I mean, we were the only house on the block with like 3,000 records and all this recording equipment and drums and stuff. So my dad's like, nope, you know. That makes sense.

It was like Fort Knox, you know. So, okay, so being born in Manhattan, like, what led you to entertainment? That's crazy. I mean, it wasn't entertainment to me. It was specifically stand-up comedy. Like I would watch Bring the Pain. I would watch Carlin's HBOs and Damon Wayne's HBO special.

Like those are specific specials that stood out to me like when I was a kid growing up and wanting to just do that. I just loved the way, you know what I mean? It was like every class clowns like. How old were you listening to these folks? Oh, man, I was what? No, me.

12, 13? Yeah, okay, yeah. I'm 35. So that's like, like mid-90s. Yeah. So you, the first Damon Wayne's, the still standing, did you, that? The first, the first, Damon Wayne's I remember was when he had on the yellow shirt and the brown hat. I think that was HBO One Night Stand.

Oh, one-night stand? I think it was like a half hour. That was a half hour, yeah. But the Wayans family was like legendary because, for one, they was from Lower Manhattan. They was from Chelsea Projects, I think. And then I remember, like, Hollywood Shuffle and I'm going to get you sucker and Robert Towns and specials and all that. So the Wayans was like already, it was like Eddie Murphy. and then Damien's like right under it, you know.

Okay, I've got to know. I'm the youngest, by the way, of seven, so. We was getting that, yeah. I was getting all of that stuff immediately, you know what I mean? Oh, because I was in a house. I was in a house full of teenagers. There's a lot of the stuff like, bam-it. Yeah, like I don't remember the first time I heard hip-hop.

Like, there's stories of me as a baby singing lottie-doddy and all of that stuff. Oh, okay. It's like that kind of thing. Yeah, triple down. Usually the baby of the family, of a large family, you know, is probably. I was the best shit. I sucked it all. Right.

No, I was asking, like, do a lot of those specials age well? Because I try to watch. Nothing ages well in 2018. Like, half the shit that we laughed at in the 90s would get fucking, I mean, you get, niggas writing petitions on Twitter and shit. Absolutely. Carlin stuff from the 90s ages very well. Yeah.

It depends on the comedian, right? Because, like, moms Mabley, I was listening to her as a kid, but that was, like, what, 30, 40 years ago by the time you listened to those tapes? Yeah, mom's maybe. Carlin was good because this was kind of more like commentary. Like it was more social commentary. Like Eddie Murphy, like the first raw is like, like the first 10 minutes that has.

That doesn't age well. You know I was like 30. Right. I was 30 something. I was 30 something when I first watched Deliris. Yeah. Like, because, you know, I grew up in a new Eddie Murphy in this house. So I didn't get to see none of that stuff.

growing up and then finally we're on a tour bus you know they showed delirious and it was weird because I wanted you know delirious is is in the Mount Rushmore and everyone's comedy but it didn't hit me that way one because like not like an illmatic right and you're like how right no no no but I get it but the thing was because that was my my introduction to delirious was everyone else doing deliris. So I knew the ice cream bits. Yeah, yeah.

Musical genius and, huh, very funny about it. I knew all that based on classroom kids doing it and rappers sampling it and all that stuff. So, but when I finally watched it, it's funny you say that because I know, you know, the same way that who was indifferent to Midnight Marauders? Lubei? Like, Lupe or whatever. Yeah.

Like, I'm probably that way. For Delirious. I respect Delirious. and know where it stands historically. Oh, you're Lupe, I get it. I was like that for prior. Like, I didn't really get... A lot of people are like that for Richard Pryor.

Like, live of the Sunset Strip, I was like, okay. But to me, he was funniest in movies. So, like, which way is up is my shit? That's funny, because critics pan all of his movies. Right. I think with Richard Pryor, he was copied so much. And Eddie Murphy is true, too. They've been copied so much that it's kind of hard to understand the context

of when he was doing it, he was the only guy doing it. How revolutionary was. Yeah, how revolutionary was. So it's kind of hard to understand that if you're not there watching it. Because I used to say the same thing. I was like, I don't really understand why Richard Pryor is so much better, greater than everybody. Or Harold is so much greater.

And then I started kind of learning more about comedy and learning more about who else was happening at the time. You're like, oh, okay, next to those guys, he must have looked like a Martian. You know what I mean? And plus, like, the idea of, you know, him doing the whining and the junkie and, like, street characters. Yeah. Like, you know, Dick Gregory really wasn't doing that in his comedy.

No. Red Fox's shit was more, yeah, exactly. Yeah, Red Fox was set up punch. A lot of, a lot of, like, actual jokes, you know. Joke, yeah, joke, jokes, yeah. Richard Pryor, that was like, I mean, this dude. Like a one-man show for me. He's in the Chitlin circuit in early 1970, black, you know what I mean,

clubs talking about the first time you ever blew a dude. and it's working. It'd be hard to do that in a black room now. And he's got people laughing. And it's like the kind of thing that he was doing was insane when you think about the context. You know that Cosby actually released to blue humor records that people don't know about?

What? Yeah, there's one joint. It came out of laugh of some shit. No, no. One was the one of people who don't. Oh, blue humor is that. like dirty. Curson.

Curson. Cousin. Cousin. Cousin. Yeah, in 74. There was like a... I mean, he didn't get that deep into it. But the other was, in 81, he spoke at...

It was more like him speaking at some prison in Pennsylvania. And it wasn't comedy, per se. But they made the record cover. It looked like... It was like Bill Cosby in the heart. Hard-headed boys. Hard-headed boys.

And I was like, oh, let me get this record. And then there's just like him being real, like, you know, that sort of thing. Y'all going to make me go back and listen to that whoopee, John Chanson. I saw his last special that never came out. The Netflix one or? Yeah, I think it was Netflix. I think it was called Cosby 77. Oh, when he's coming at us, like coming at us, the foot word.

No, it's actually, he's actually not. Well, what I saw, he did like two hours of, I guess, what was going to be a 90-minute. special or whatever and it was Robert Townsend was directing it and they did it at the I was doing shows in San Francisco and it was like there was an early tape in like a six o'clock tape and I watched it and went and did my show

and it was like good it was kind of loose it wasn't you could tell like he was still trying stuff or whatever oddly but it like a month after that everything happened. Do you remember what he touched like where was he at? He was talking a lot of it was weird because he was talking a lot about like

like growing up like his first experiences, dating. Yeah, it was kind of, it was like blueish. It wasn't blue, but it was like blue for Cosby. It was like a,

it was like an old man. I was like, ah, you know what? Fuck it. And I'm gonna let loose a little bit. But it was, it was good though. It was like,

excited, you know, I was kind of excited to see what it was. I was interested. I mean, you know, obviously everything that happened, I understood why,

but I was always curious to see that special when it came out because how many 77 year old comedians Yeah Like you don't even get that perspective But no more

Yeah Yeah no yeah It's It ain't the same You can still See him He He frequented

He still just kind of popping up Almost I heard he was doing that He frequented this jazz club In Philly a lot Who were you in M.H Cosby? Yeah Where they It's not

I guess the people that own The old Zanzibar Yeah It's They have one join That's kind of of, not in Balakimwood, but... He's in the burr.

They showed a video of him, like, recently, like, at that spot or whatever. After the, everything came down? That's... Like, a couple months ago. Yeah, it was just, he was out there, and he just, yeah. Yeah, he was doing Hickey Burr, I think of some crazy. That's the only safe cut he got. Right.

It really is. So what were your first steps into taking? in your comedy series? Like, won too many trips to the principal's office or like... No, none of that. I got it late. I was like, I always wanted to try it. I always, always wanted to try it.

It was like, they had like comedy classes. The thing about stand-up is if you don't know any comedians, it might as well be on the moon because you don't have no idea how to do it. So I would just Google, like, how to do it and find, like, different open mics or whatever. And it's just literally $5. Half a pint of E&J and you just go up there.

Like that was literally how it happened. I went to an open mic right down a block from the cellar on McDougal Street. And I scouted it out one day just to watch. And there was like one dude that was really good. And everybody else was terrible. And I was like, if they're terrible and still doing it, then I could be that terrible. You know what I mean?

Like I could just be that bad and try it. It took the pressure off. You don't have to be good at it, you know? Because every time somebody wants to start comedy, It's like, I don't got no jokes, though. And I'm like, yeah, nobody has jokes when you start. That's the whole point. There's no joke you're going to start with that you're going to end with.

You know what I mean? It's all going to, you are going to outgrow all of that shit. So, it doesn't really matter. Just being on stage is what's important. So going there and just doing it, I couldn't tell you what I said, but just being on stage and seeing that perspective of hearing your voice in the microphone. I never heard my voice in a microphone before. It's like even that was freaky.

And you did it with no nerves. Of course I had, hence the E&J. Yes, right? Erkin jerk, baby. Yeah. Do you remember some of your early? And J. Stansmore? No, that's just we called it, Brian.

Oh, okay. He's called irking jerk. He's just Jesus. He's just Jesus. He's a Jesus. You called it that, too. So you went there without a formula? Nothing.

I went up there with like four things that I thought were funny that would make my friends in the car crack up that wouldn't make anybody else those outside that car crack up. Like literally nothing. I just wanted to be on stage. You were talking about material.

You outgrown? Do you remember some of your early stuff? I think like one of the first jokes I had, oh man, I think maybe one of the first jokes I had, I might even said it that night was something about how, because I remember it was like October. It was like the fall. And I was saying how like Jehovah's Witnesses don't, they don't celebrate Halloween even though they should because that's the one time people opened a door. But it was like that, you know, like kind of like, uh-huh. You know, like one of those, but that's all you need.

As long as you're comfortable on stage, everything comes. You know what I mean? Like even now, you might go on stage with nothing and find something, you know. So with that first laugh, was it like a crack high? Like, uh, yeah. Like your first real good laugh. The first real good laugh, well, you start out only doing open mics and open mics in the city is not regular people there.

It's all other people. waiting to go on. So a lot of the laughs are like, ha, you know. They write back in their book or whatever. Nobody's really there to support people, you know? So the first actual show I did was what they called a bringer show. That means you bring five people and then you can perform.

So you had to pass out flyers in the corner? No, you could just get anybody. You could get five friends. You could get however you want. That's a barker show. Barker, yeah. Yeah, that's a barker. Wait, what's the barker?

Barker. Barking, no, it's a barking. You watch, well, you crash in a friend. On HBO? Yeah. I got, not that I got suckered, but I watched crashing and then leaving, I forgot who did a set at Carolines. I was leaving Carolines, and then I saw the guy on the corner and I thought of crashing, right? And, you know, I was like, all right, let me make it rain.

And I said, dude, and I brought $500 worth of tickets. Whoa. Right. Just, you know, I just made his night. Right. And he couldn't believe it. And then I was like he, and he tried to talk himself out of it. Like, no, no, no.

Just, just, just give me, like, tickets are only $20. That's all. I said, dude, give me $500 worth of tickets. And he couldn't understand it. And I was like, I watched crashing and I understand that this is how. That's actually a terrible, terrible thing you did. You know what? Because now somebody's going to be like, yeah, we sold out.

And nobody's going to be at that show. That's an awful idea. No, so what I was saying is how you never had to go that route? No, I never did barking. I never did barking. I mean, you barked like your own show. Like, everybody has kind of like a bar show or whatever. That's kind of your penance of coming up in comedy.

Like, you do my show, do your show kind of thing. So everybody kind of has like a bar show. And then if your show's light, you might go outside and be like, hey, we got a comedy show. Hey, guys, come back in the back. We have a comedy show in the back or whatever. But it was never like four tickets. It was always usually like a free show. It was just like a thing like I just didn't want to do.

So wait, you said you watched crashing too though, right? Did you watch the show? I've seen some. I don't really, I watch Food Network and SportsCenter. Like that's literally, I don't really like. We said and talking about Orange and New Blah. You're like, what the fuck is that? I know what it is, but I just, I think that once, now that you're part of the conversation.

I know what it, I know how it's made. And I'm just like, I can't watch it the way like a regular person can watch it. You cannot be entertained. This is why I feel like I have imposter syndrome because I feel like people that are really making history don't watch history. They just make it. Yeah, they make it. And meanwhile, I'm like... Episode 12.

TV. Right, exactly. Well, like, can you watch other late night shows? Dude, I obsessively like to prepare for that job. Yes, I watch... Really? I watch in the mornings He's a researcher though

I'm about I say you I watch Severe I watch Conan I watch everything to see what they're doing what their bumpers are like what their walk-on songs are like So if no other reason you know what not to do is like yeah

And then like with the guests they're on a show Like I'm watching their entire series To see if I can get something on the character That once saying Like my crack high was Who was a Orange Chappelle The Ask a Gay dude

Mario Oh Oh, that's gay to Mario Canton. Steam Pipe Valley when I was a kid. Oh, there you go. Steam Pipe Valley, yeah. So I did a Steam Pipe and he almost stopped the show in tears like, how do you know about it?

But we picked this obscure song from Steam Pite Alley. I would have picked that up easy. That's a good one. Steam Pipe Valley used to come on every, like, what was like Saturday. He knew he had a show about to Google that. It was like they would play Looney Tunes. It was like a one-man sketch show. Oh, wow.

And it was all for kids, and they'd play Looney Tunes in between them. So, like, if you wanted to watch Bugs Bunny, you watch Steam Pipe Alley. He's coming on, like, Channel 9. Yeah, Steam Pipeauly was a shit. And this is Mario Cantone. Mario Cantone, yeah. But once that, like, and all this is to Jimmy Cigrin, because it's basically like, hey, guys, just play the three-second song and let my guess.

But then once, like, the roots managed to distract the guests, like, how did they know that? Oh, my God! And he wanted to talk about it ruined the interview. Or did it. Well, no, no, no. I'm just saying at that point, then I was like, oh shit, then I'm watching every show and now I have an addiction. Like I have...

That is the illest thing, I got to say. Like, that is like a really cool thing. Like, what are the roots going to bring everybody out to? It's kind of a cool. It's cool, but then it's like some people come on the show like with their met. Like, Cosby used to do that. Oh, wow. Like, I only got like a good, my own, like, jamming on the one reference because then

Cosby was like, okay, this is why we're. I'm going to walk out to. And I'm like, no. Oh, wow. Let me surprise you. Steve Martin also, but Steve Martin's are funny because. Oh, he's requests. He makes special requests.

Steve loved the idea of what we did to Michelle Bachman. Oh, my God, but you got in trouble for that. Right. What we did to her that then he was like, then he would orchestrate. But then it like backfire for us because then we would have to come in early to rehearse his walk on. Like one time. he introduced, like Steve Martin,

and Steve Martin came out, he was on the Letterman set. Like, no? And then he was on the view set. No? And then he was on the bonus set. Like, it was this whole elaborate, wow,

four-minute walk-on thing. And then Wool Smith and, you know, so it's just like, sometimes it backfires. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me.

Clever Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

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Woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with him one day. And I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through,

and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. and he's like just give it a shot he goes but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall

and it doesn't feel fun anymore it's okay to quit if you saw it written down it would not be an inspiration it would not be on a calendar of you know the cat just hang in there yeah it would not be right it wouldn't be that there's a lot of luck

listen to thanks dad on the iHeart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast Wait, to go back to the source of this rabbit hole, are you saying that you can't watch any entertainment or is comedy even harder to watch? I'm saying comedy. That's what he was saying. Comedy is hard to watch and like, comedy in particular,

it's hard to watch, but I don't really, there's no, like, shows that I really, I watch like. Is that good? I love it. Because the ratings are, like, out of this world and I want to commit. I friggin love it.

I don't have, which one of it? Room in your list. I think it's Jason Siddakis is, And my dude from VIP. Yeah, Sam Riches and Tim Robinson. Yeah, from Veepe. Yeah.

Well, Tim Robinson was like my office mate at S&L, Tim and Zach, who are the co-creators of the show. And so, like, I remember them working on it. I wrote an episode last season, and it's just like, their humor is just the crazy. We used to write the craziest,

is craziest shit together on SNL that would never get on. And then we would just have, so we would just bug out all the time. So when did we talk about matriculating from to going on stage with some E&J and just winging it to becoming a writer? Because that's... I got the craziest how I got on SNL story I think that I've heard so far. Literally. Wait, we didn't even get to the Daily Show.

That's damn. I was a writer on SNL before I was at the Daily Show. We didn't order. Oh, shit. All right, go ahead. I was doing stand-up. maybe, you know, a few years in, and I saw Colin Jost at the Dittin Factory, Hannibal's show

in Brooklyn, and we both did a set or whatever, and he was like, man, you know, you're funny, whatever. And we were like, we would see each other around, but like he got to, like, really watch me. Next day, he hit me up, like, hey, you want, I shouldn't say this is going to, like, discourage people from ever going through the process. But he messaged me where he was head writer at the time of that. And he was like, yo, if you ever want to, you know, if you have like a packet or something, I would love to submit your packet to SNL.

Like, you know, if you write sketches and I'd never written a sketch before. So I was like, all right, yeah, sure, I'll do it. And I was like, I ain't fucking write no, you're gonna have me write a packet for some shit that's gonna be bad, you know what I mean? I don't know how to do that. And he would periodically hit me up like every three or four weeks like, yo, you got the packets, like, oh, I'm still working on it, but yeah, I'm gonna send it to you. And then it was like the week of the show

where he's like, we just want to come in as a guest writer? And I was like, all right. So I came in as a guest writer. And it was two-week contract. Literally, they throw you in the fire. So you get there Monday. So that's not production week. There's no orientation.

You just show up to the show. And you're like, all right, you work here. Get to work. You're responsible for two sketches or whatever. And everybody's there. This was like Fred and Bill and Jason was still there. Seth was still head writer with Colin. So it was like intimidating as fuck.

I think Andy and Kristen had just left like a few months before. No limitations. They just said go right. Yeah, they was like, so the first thing you got to do is you got to go into Lauren's office and do the pitch meeting, which I'm sure you know about. You literally, the entire cast and writing staff in Lauren's office with the host. And Kevin Hart was the host. That's where it takes place.

In Lauren's office on 17. With the host. Oh my God. And it's Kevin Hart. Popcorn and everything. Don't touch the popcorn. At that point, don't touch the popcorn. It's behind him.

So in order to touch the popcorn, you got to walk up to his chair. And that's a power move right there. Side note. He finally thumbs us up once. I brought him two big ass bags of popcorn. You know most of us ain't been in Lauren Michael's office, right? Like, y'all know, we don't know what y'all talking about. Lauren loves Popper.

Okay. I'm just saying everybody who listening. Go ahead, go ahead. Tell y'all inside you. Lauren loves Popper. Okay, good. If you walk in, you just, you hear Pop going all over the floor. So we're all in there,

everybody's giving sketch ideas. Everybody's telling me, this is like comedy pros, and I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? So I had to pitch a sketch, and I got a laugh from it, and I think after that they was like, my sketch was, I probably told you, but it was Kevin Hart playing the richest black man in New York, Duane Reed.

and everybody I always told that joke but and everybody laughed and they were like okay Lauren was like okay and then my first they asked me to write that sketch

it bombed terribly at the table but I didn't know what I was doing so then the next week was Justin Timberlake and then I got a sketch on and then it was like fun and which one was his I

a sketch you could never do that it was called she's got a dick and it was it was called she's got a dick It was because she's got a dick. It was a romantic comedy trailer about this lady that had everything, but she also had a dick. Oh, I love it.

Who played that woman? It was Justin and the scene. Oh, okay. It was Justin and the scene. So when you say a skip bombed at the table, what's the, I guess, the chain of command, what's the process? You pitch it in the meeting in Lawrence's office, and then what? Well, I didn't know this.

But typically people who, when you do pitch, now I know this. this when you pitch, typically people don't say what they're going to write. They're usually just saying like a one-liner that's going to make everybody alive. It's really a meeting to make the host feel comfortable. You know, like you're not really pitching your idea. Sometimes people do. Like there's times where you can pitch something and people like, hey, that's funny. Actually, can you do that?

And then you write it and then, like, that's happened to me a couple times or, you know, like, oh, I've recommended or whatever. The sketch that was like super popular, farewell Mr. Bunting. You remember that one? where like Pete stands up and his head gets chopped off on the ceiling fan. Yes.

That was a pitch. That was a pitch that Colin, I think Mikey Day pitched it and Colin was like, hey, you should, like we could write that and they wrote it together and made it happen.

But it was almost like, it was like a throwaway. Dude, I was literally going to ask you, like the reason why you see me there obsessively every week in the show isn't, I mean, yes, I want to laugh and I enjoy the experience,

but my conversation when Higgins always the next day is what was the pitch like? And then when you got, I said, when I went to him after that bit, I said, did someone just say, okay, we're going to do, not goodwill hunting. What's the thing where I, I, my,

I know how good was, the dead poet's society. Yeah, like, did someone just say, okay, it's a dead poet society sketch, but then when Pete stands on the table, he's going to get beheaded. Like, how do you? Literally pretty much that.

Yeah, but the thing is, like a lot of the physical, comedy or the one bit where somebody was a poster or something that involves physical comedy. Yeah. It's like how do you articulate that that's going to be the funny part if

and how's that work in the room that actually gets you to that's where the show gets tricky because there's a lot of things that make a table full of comedy writers laugh that doesn't make a miracle laugh and there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make us laugh that becomes a massive hit. So I think that's kind of like when Lauren and Higgins and Kenward, like that's kind of when they're saying,

you know what, I think this will look good on tape. Even though it doesn't play hot at the table, I think this will work. I think this will be really good for the show. So there's a lot of trust me on this. Yeah, well, I think we all knew that it would be funny, but it's when you're reading, because it's, everybody's reading their part

and then Lauren is reading the stage direction. We're not really acting it out. the stage director? He reads every stage director. So wait, can I ask a crazy question? Because you're throwing out names and I just Googled one because I had to figure out who Higgins was. Okay, it's Steve Higgins. Okay, this is the guy who is actually on the tonight show, but he also is like a writer for the one of the air. He's a producer. Yeah. Higgins is like, he runs, S&L. Who no? This is like. In Falun, he's just like, that's his DJ gig.

Right. But, you know, his roots gig is S&L. Wow. Okay. Yeah. All right. legendary writer for the show, and now he's a producer, and he works pretty hands-on on the show. See, well, that's the thing, because usually, like, you know, commercial breaks when, like, Lauren's just in the middle of the floor, like, in the camera shot. Yeah, photo op.

Right. Part of me is wondering, like, okay, are you, again, are you Ronald McDonald, or are you Ray Crock? Like, are you really making the decisions? So he actually reads the... Oh, no, Lauren makes decisions. Like, Lauren is the guy. He's very, he's extremely handsome.

We all go in his office and we talk things through and he has the board and he gives, he, he's very, very, very instrumental in what gets. I never knew that. I just thought, you know. Sometimes he comes up with the cold open. Sometimes, like, we'll be, you know, like, we won't have a cold open. We've been writing our cold open much, much later in the week. Because of the news.

Because of the news cycle. It's just been insane. We've had to, like, rewrite cold opens and rewrite updates on Thursday and Friday sometimes, like, just because of the news, like the country's completely different between Wednesday and Friday. Like completely different. So, you know, he'll be like, I feel like maybe we should do something like this or whatever. And then he kind of like orders it up a lot of times, you know. Oh, good.

So what is the production schedule? So Monday, we meet the host and it's kind of a light day. You could start writing, but you really don't have to. But it's really writers meeting and then host meeting. And then Tuesday we come in. for writing. Then you just write all day, Tuesday. I get in usually around 3, 4 p.m.

and then I'll maybe leave at about 7, 8 a.m. And then go home, take a nap, take a shower, and go to table read, which is usually around 3 p.m. on Wednesday. We read up until about 8 o'clock. And table read is you guys reading the sketches that you read. We read about 40, anywhere between 35 and 40 of the sketches. that we all wrote on Tuesday. That we all wrote on Tuesday.

Okay, got you. And then we pick maybe 11 to produce. We rewrite it Thursday. We do our pre-tapes Friday and our blocking Friday. And then Saturday run through dress rehearsal air. Do you... Between dress rehearsal and air, we usually cut two to three sketches. Cut meaning...

Meaning... It doesn't make a guy. Yeah, so it's like a two-hour show. We go in with about two hours. and then we leave with about 90 minutes for live. And sometimes we're cutting shit on air. Sometimes we're rewriting shit on air. There's times where the show is on and you're in your dressing room

and you think your day's over and your sketch is next. And they're like, hey, they need you in a control room. And you're literally in the script department, cutting out sketches, cutting out lines of a sketch. So if you ever watching the show and at the end, you're like, well, that ended weird. It's because we had to shave 45 seconds out of a three-minute sketch, which happens a lot.

Yeah, and if, well, that's how I first met you. I learned the process is if you're one of the bits that gets cut, if you're a newbie, you might take a little personal, you might take a little personal pan pizza. So then you go up to 17 and then you get shit-faced drunk. You just vent. Yep. Because does everybody every week at least get in a segment?

Like everybody. Hannibal said, not Hannibal, what's his name, said he never got his. What's his name? I think Hannibal got like one or two. But, yeah, some, it's. Also, some writers you never see. It's been a little bit, well, you got to think when they were writing, they had like, I mean, it was like, yeah, you had like Kristen Wing and all the people on the show. That's like half the show right there.

So they didn't write anything she was in. Real estate gets a lot smaller. You know, so like, you know. Larry David said he, none of his bits ever got on. Yeah, Larry David. Yeah, I heard that too. Oh, same with Sarah. Same with Sarah Silverman.

I've heard that as well. And to work there for years. I think Sarah was only there for like a year or two. I don't think she was there very long. So is it an official, is there really an official like S&L fraternity? Like, was there a moment when you felt like, yes, I'm officially in this special collective?

I can go talk to Bill Murray at any time. No. Okay. It's really, you never feel that. it's, you, you just get comfortable. It's like anything else. It's like, you really, it just, it goes, it ends up being like, holy shit, that's Bill Murray to, Bill Murray's here.

And I guess like, it becomes like just, yeah, we see them all the time. And I think that's kind of the crazy thing. Like, we're probably the only show where people are more nervous than we are. Yeah, to be on than we are to have them on. But not even the nervous part, just a camaraderie of knowing that, okay, so if Chevy Chase sees me on the street, he's going to say something because we are in this fraternity. Or maybe he won't. Or maybe he won't.

That was the wrong one. You know what? I should have went fast. Tom Hanks might dig him up. Mike Myers? Mike Myers? David. I don't know.

Okay, never mind. Yeah, Dave. Yeah. When someone you haven't worked with from the show knows who you are, it's a very strange experience. Like where you're like, what? I saw John Lovitz. I'd never seen him.

outside of the show before this. And I saw him in L.A. one time. And he was, like, nice to me. And I was like, John Lovitz. It was, like, it blew my mind. Because John Lovitz was, like, my favorite S&L guy growing up. He was my favorite, too. He was, oh, my God.

I love John Lovice. He was so funny. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports. media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

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Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed.

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My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and The Big Money Players Network. It's Will Farrell My dad gave me the best advice ever I went and had lunch with him one day And I was like And dad I think I want to really give this a shot I don't know what that means

But I just know the groundlings I'm working my way up through And I know it's a place that come Look for up and coming talent He said if it was based solely on talent I wouldn't worry about you Which is really sweet Yeah

He goes but there's so much luck involved And he's like Just give it a shot He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be.

Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, okay, with the host that come on the show, do you, I feel like there's three types of hosts. So if, say someone that's eager and easy to work with, I would assume that Hanks is that guy that's like really about making the most of a moment hosting SNL. He's, he's a dream come true for a host, yes. I'm sure that Timberlake is also that way very eager to, you know...

Can do anything. Do what I got to do to make sure this is a classic episode. If it's funny, he's with it. But then, you know, you guys might get a wild car. Like, were you there during the Trump hosting? Yeah. Of which I'm sure that was a little crazy. Well, it wasn't, to me, it wasn't that crazy because I didn't

expect him to win until like a year after that. Like at that time it still kind of felt like it was still a little bit of a joke. Right. You know, it wasn't as kind of like, you know, it wasn't like. Not even, not even the process of like, will he be president or not? I'm just talking about like a good host for the show as in like good with lines, good with delivery and that sort of thing. A good host for me is a little bit different. Like somebody, like a comedian when a stand up is hosting, it's usually not fun for me. Really? Yes. Because they bring in their own team? Because not only they bring in their own team,

but stand-ups and, like, comedians, like, they know why they're funny. They trust themselves way more than they trust the writings. You know what? They know they got one shot at this, and they don't want a bomb. So they're like, I don't know. They're on the fence about everything. They're not sure about anything until they hear the laugh.

And they'll say, all right, we can do this. I was going to, I love, my favorite is like a Blake shout. It's just like, man, just... You unexpected. It happens to be funny too. Man, I don't care. Just write it.

I'll read it. If it works, it works. That's a dream scenario. What was Chappelle like? What was his... Chappelle was... Well, first of all, Chappelle is... Not only is he a genius,

but he's a perfectionist. And also, this week was like the craziest week because Trump had won. So literally Tuesday, you felt one way and the country was completely different by Wednesday. Like, I never, other than 9-11,

I don't remember a more drastic change and tone after a day. So to write, mind, we write the show Tuesday. So we have to write a sketch. You know what I mean? You got to imagine writing like the poop family sketch and you're watching the country literally fall apart. And you're like, all right, what does he say next? You know, like it's nothing that seems important at that time.

So by Wednesday, table read, all the sketches was in rough shape because everyone was so distracted and nobody really had anything good. But Neil Brennan helped a lot and Chappelle, of course, got his hands on stuff. And Brian Tucker did a lot of work to bring everything up. We all, you know, pitched in to bring everything up to get the show ready by Saturday. But that was like a really weird week. So it's hard for me to really say what Dave was like because it was. such a bizarre circumstance. Yeah.

It was so weird. So the host sometimes will help with sketches. Of course. I mean, if they're, yeah, if they know what they're doing, they'll, yeah, I mean, they got to say it. We do the show for them and they ultimately get to pick. Like, when we pick the sketches that go on the show, it's the headwriters and the producers and Lauren and the host, and we talk it through.

Like, we talk through, I feel like you need something here or whatever. We kind of tell them the formula of the show and what we think will make them look good, cast coverage, all of that stuff. And then we kind of decide from there. And there's some stuff that they'll fight for. And there's some stuff that they're like, hey, I trust you. Is there ever been a comedian who's bought a ridiculous amount of, like, writers with him or her? Okay.

There has. He can't say. I don't want to name names, but I want to know what's a ridiculous number? More than two is kind of crazy. Based on what I've watched, all right, all you have to do is confirm yes or no. You don't have to say anything bad. Did Rock bring a lot of writers on his episode? Rock brought like three or four.

No, with this thing, though, because I can tell the difference between when a comedian host brings his own people and then when a comedian, well, not a comedian, but when someone knows to trust the process. Yeah. Now, I don't have any expectations for the Larry David episode, but that to me was one of the funniest shows ever. Yeah. And I was like, okay, former former SNL alumni, he knows

the, he knows the situation. But he didn't do a lot of writing on that. I know, but thus, that's why his episode turned out to be hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas, you know, I mean, there's no secret. Like, even Rock and I talked about it. Like, his episode, the one with Prince was probably the not so well executed episode. Well, I think also a big difference is that, like, Larry David really wanted to do it.

I don't, I think Chris was kind of, Chris is old, you know how Chris is, he's like, I don't know, like he's never like gung-ho excited to do. But that's Chris. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like he's so just added to, like, Larry David was kind of like, dude, he was like laughing out loud at the table. Like it was a little bit of a different kind of energy where it felt like work.

Yeah, it was a little bit, Chris is a little bit more like, yeah. So that makes me ask that sketch with Chris and Dave, how many people does it take to write a Chris and Dave sketch? Now that sketch is almost, and that sketch is a like perfect example of the week. That sketch was completely different Wednesday than it ended up being. Because you thought that Hillary's going to win. Yeah, so, like, they had to completely retool that sketch and make a different. What was the initial premise? I think the initial premise.

It was a Tucker, Tucker and Neil wrote it. I think the initial premise, I don't even, you have to ask me. I don't even remember the initial, but it was so far from what it ended up being that it. Well, I actually liked that bit. I love it. It killed. It was really black, but you said two white dudes wrote that. It's Tucker.

I don't know what Tucker is. Neil Brennan and Brian Tucker. They're white. They're very white, but they're... They know what time it is. They definitely know. They get a pass some days, but yeah, that was... Like Tucker, Tucker and I write Black Jeopardy together.

So, to give you an idea of how... No, I get it. He's from North Carolina. He's got like a... What city's wrong? I don't know where he's from that. As I'm saying that, I'm like, yeah, well, yeah. I really don't know what city...

Giving him the past and everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know what city, but definitely North Carolina. Speaking of which... I'm going to guess Chap, like, around, because he's a huge UNC fan. Okay, yes. That's Riley Durham.

See, a white man from North Carolina that knows our people. I must look into this. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what the endgame is for him. But I don't know. He seems nice now. It can change. Speaking of which...

Speaking of which, it just hit me right now. that you, Michael, are probably the first black cast member of that show to really not have to endure the, is he going to be the next Eddie syndrome? Point. No, yeah, I'm never, yeah, I was, I was never chasing a ghost on that show. I think the- Well, you're chasing a different ghost, though, because you were introduced to Weekend Update. Yeah, I had to chase Seth was my ghost, which was like terrible. You know what I mean? Probably for you is like surviving Weekend Update as opposed to will I make a $100 million Paramount movie deal once I get off the show?

When I first got to the show, I was like, I was the only black. writer on the show. When I, my first, my first year. But that's why I don't, like, it's so weird when people say, oh, you're the first black head writer. And I'm always like, well, it wasn't like it was a rule. You know, like, Jackie Robinson was the-

head writer now? Yeah. That happened like this year, right? Didn't that happen to chat on me? Because it was big news. That was, uh, uh, that's the crazy thing. I became head writer. I became a guest writer and Kevin Hart was the host. And when I became

head writer, Kevin Hart was the host. Wow. Forgive me. Kevin Hart is mine. He's your top edge of it. No, I mean, it's the first. Yeah. I think he's doing it.

In order for Kevin Hart to host, I got to get a promotion for some reason. No, but I mean, like, I was there. I was the only writer there. Only black writer there. So when I came in. 30 years for a black woman. I'm sorry. I did that.

No, there was a ton. After that, then Leslie was a writer. Right. And then LeKindra Tewks was a writer. There was a few black women. Oh, head writer? I don't know. But, like, so what is, what is it, to me, to be the head, it's, my God, am I about

to open this Pandora's box? All I know, from what I know, from where I work. Yeah. You know a lot. Being the head writer. Our interviews always act like they don't know she. You know. He's trying to keep his job.

I'm trying to keep my job. If she's like they don't know. I'm just saying that from what I observed, being the head writer is just, I'm not dancing lying it, just let me say it. It's a nightmare because basically it requires you to be the bad cop. Yeah, you got to be the bad cop. But also, well, head writer is not necessarily the bad cop. that's I feel like

the producers are more so the bad cop Higgins is a bad cop I mean they're in the position to be back. I've never seen Higgins serious a day in his life and I've known him from nine years so I don't know how to...

It's comedy serious. You got to understand comedy series people, comedians are so sensitive, like so sensitive. It's like a... Because when you're telling somebody this isn't funny or you're doing it bad

You know, like, you can't, it's hard to recover, especially when you're in that room with all, with Kate McKinnon and all these motherfuckers that are awesome. And comedy is so absolute. It's so absolute. Either the shit funny or it ain't. Who breaks the news? Is the news broken at the table?

I don't know about this. Or is it like in, later like you? No, no. Like in high school. After we read all of the sketches, yeah, it's pretty much like basketball, the basketball team where they write what made it on the door. Okay.

And then you, like, all of the sketches are on. the end and they circle the ones that's going because then you have to go produce your sketch like literally when you find out your sketches picked on Wednesday night you have to go to production and you go to wardrobe department you go to the hair department you go to the

set department you go to props you go to everybody and tell them what you need for your sketch and they give you a budget like that's too expensive if you want an explosion we can't do that like the ones that y'all do. For pre-tapes they don't give you a number they don't give you a number budget but they will say all right that's a little we probably can't do that because you know we can't get a real Lamborghini you know what I mean whatever but but a lot of our stuff

they can do like though if it's good though that's when Lauren comes in that's when he's like no you know what fuck that we're doing it and then that's you know he's always on the side of the show which is that's dope it makes it a lot easier side question or you said then Lauren has to come in so well damn now you're the parent so what if it's okay say my I'm a writer there and I'm asking you dad hypothetically. Dad, can I? No, no, no, no. And you're like, and you somehow diplomatically or whatever tell me, I don't think that's

going to work. Yeah. Has there ever been a, at dinner? Lauren, I really had this idea that I think of. And then like you got to sneak at the Higgins and Lauren and then like going over your head. The way the system is, well, nothing. See, I don't have an agenda.

So nothing, you don't have to go over my head. I don't mean you per se. Right, right, right. There's been cases of where a writer or a cast member like kind of goes, the head writer's back to go. I feel like what, when, like, we don't have an agenda.

So when a writer will come up to us or whatever and tell us about a sketch they want to do or an idea that they have or whatever, if we think it might be like a disaster, we'll be like, well, I mean, we'll try to kind of redirect the idea, but at the end of the day, you got the computer. You write it.

You put the script out. If it plays at the table, everybody hears it at the same time. If it plays, it seems like something that can be done, then that's your argument. You know what I mean? Yo, it worked. It killed. Why is this not going on? Then they might go to Lauren after that.

But Lauren makes that decision. Is it wise to... We help them, but he makes that decision ultimately of what should be produced and what shouldn't be produced. Is it wise to choose a partner? Like if you come in there on your own, like I'm a lone writer. Yeah. Is it wise for me to say, okay, so Kate McKinnon is being used a lot more than blah, blah, blah, blah. So, you know, hey, Kate, I got an idea for you.

Or let's write a thing together. Yeah. It becomes, that's the first move. Sound like high school. That's the first move usually. I don't want to know who's the barbershop chair that no one wants to go to, the guy that does know, cut number five. Yeah, uh-huh. But it's how...

Also it becomes a chemistry thing. It also becomes like, because you got to think you're in the room with this person. So if you can't get along with somebody or you think they're weird, like, you don't want to be in there trying to... But that's my question. All right. Now, I hate to throw you under the bus. So he hasn't said one word. John Levitts, he loves him.

That's all he says. You can stop right now before you throw me under the bus. I don't know. There's still time. Steve is kind of the resident Oscar the Grouch at, at 30, on the sixth floor. No. Yeah, he is. No, but like a lovable grump, you know.

Gotcha. No, everyone loves Steve, but it's like a lovable grump. But the thing is, is that what if you have the goods as a rider? Mm-hmm. But you might have an opioid addiction. addiction vehicle or No, he just said If you're an asshole

Oh, don't feel in that blank Afonte, let alone he got it. Oh shit. Yeah, like what if person, this guy's funny but. I can write, but he loved him

hydrocodone. Fuck him. No, yeah. I mean, that happens too. I mean, like that's, it is political like anything else would be. You know, a lot of it just becomes,

you know, that's when the producers kind of step in Because they kind of go around and they find out what everybody's writing. Hey, what are you guys working on? What are you working on? Okay. Oh, that'll be good.

Oh, we need more tape. Or we need more this, whatever. So in those discussions, they realize, hey, this cast member is not being written for as much or whatever. So maybe, you know, and then we'll kind of be like, okay, well, well, what could be something that they can do? And then you make sure that you have covered. You kind of make sure everybody has a shot at the table.

Everybody has something at the table. So do you feel a... That's something that becomes a responsibility when you, as a headwriter and as a producer that maybe you didn't even think about as a regular writer. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th.

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Well, in your head, you're kind of, you know, it's more decision-making. It's more decision-making, yeah. Do you feel? a, well, I guess we all feel pressure as black people, but do you feel a pressure in this sort of unspoken tug-of-war battle to make where you work reflective of where America is now as opposed to the comfort zone that SNL was associated with? Like, I can assume my idea that you're not an avid, obsessive SNL watch. Is Drake going to be on there? Right, exactly. Drake was an awesome host as well.

He is. And I want to let's an update because not for nothing, I do. Right. No, I get it. If I see me, I'm on it. But, right. See, but I respect the institution of comedy, so I'd watch it regardless. But I will say that now that I think now that they're aware that, okay, we have to be more inclusive of.

Now that they were forced and pressured about a few years ago with the hire, two black ladies. Right. But I also feel it's like, you know, you have to reflect what America truly is. Like, there's no hiding it anymore as it used to be. Well, it's so funny you say that because I was just talking to somebody at the show about this yesterday. And I always feel like when people bring up diversity, they always bring up just like different colors of people that think the same, you know? And I kind of like the idea. I kind of like the tension in the show of people having different beliefs and people kind of having different. That's what makes it a variety show.

That's what makes it something. So, you know, I kind of, I like personally just kind of writing stuff that's a little bit against what maybe people think a liberal comedy show should be or whatever. Because we're really not a liberal show. We're a variety show. We're supposed to be what America is. And America isn't one thing. America isn't all on the left. And I apologize.

I forgot that Michael now is not. the head writer, which I should have been watching ever since they made that announcement, because now I can, because I know there's a voice that's higher up making decisions. That makes a difference. What I'm saying, the idea of Black Jeopardy probably wouldn't have flown. But it was so authentic and so good. I was like, it's honest. Is it for me?

And some, you know, y'all like, yeah, I hear you laugh in the mirror, like that sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, where I'm laughing louder than the people that slept 10 hours on the sidewalk to watch Taylor Swift perform. Like, is there ever concerned that- You just said a very interesting thing, by the way. What? You just said a very interesting thing, which makes our show so unique,

is that our show, we never know who our audience is going to be. Our show could be all Taylor Swift fans. So, like, I got to do North Korea jokes for the people that came to see the one direction. It might not work the same. You know what I mean? Or your sketch, whatever, you could have a political sketch for, you know,

the Bruno Mars fan, whoever, or vice versa. So, you know, you could have kind of a, you know. I feel like the musical act dictates, the musical act. What audience is going to be there? Typically, because music fans are a little bit different than actor fans. You know, so the host usually has a fan base of, you know,

it's recognizable, but the music is the motherfuckers that's camping out. You know what I mean? So, I mean, you know, it's just different. You never know who they're there. So when John Stewart does his show, they didn't see John Stewart or Kobe. Bear or Jimmy, like they didn't see Jimmy, you know, so it's a little bit different for us because the start of show is our cast and our host. And then when Kevin comes, it's like all the black America swooped down.

There's certain black shows that we have that's like, oh, boy, my phone's about to be crazy. Yeah, like Glover. It was like, oh, shit. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Donald Glover. Drake, of course. Drake, of course.

Kevin Hart, of course. Chappelle, forget about it. What was it? Chappelle and Tribe. I was shocked. Tiffany Haddish. Tiffany Haddish. I got a lot of calls for Tiffany.

Yeah. Yeah, I was shocked. I got in a few of those. It's my dream to actually be an intern there. So that way, no, I'm done serious. Like for me, like Higgins is like, no, Amir, you can't come to the pitch meetings. But I just want to see how pitch meetings are just so I

and figure out how that machine runs. You have a 30 rock show in you, you know that? There's like a whole show in that building that you could just host. We talk about that all the time. Like, what happens out of the show is actually more funnier and interesting than, you know, the shows that are produced there. Is it a pressure for a Lauren Michaels produced movie? Like, what's the process?

Because it feels like Lauren only really produces the movies that his people are in. But is there pressure or is there like, okay, I know this is an added incentive that I might get him behind it, so I need to write something. Is there pressure to make one? Yeah. Oh, I'm never really, I'm never really into anything like that. Like, I'm always like, if I have a good idea, how do we execute the idea? I think it comes from doing SNL for so long.

It's just like, if I have an idea that's a, if it's a sketch, I'm like, oh, this will probably be better as a live sketch, or this is probably better as a pre-taped. This is probably better as a sitcom script, or this would probably be better as a movie. Like that's whatever it is to execute it is how how I go by To hear you talk you're so nonchalant about it That it's like hey you know that whereas like when when Pharaoh was there There was always like the hope of tomorrow like okay no This is gonna be my chance

This gonna be my moment You know that's not how comedy works man You know what I but how do But the thing is is that for you to just getting the comedy less than 11, 12 years ago. Like, how do you have this sage, like, because I enjoy it? You're like in the moment. Most people don't, they're not in the moment.

They're working for the next one. I'm in the moment because I enjoy the moment. Like, this is fun for me. You know what I mean? So it's like, this is, you know, like, this right here is fun. And producing something that's fun and being in the writing room is fun. So I'm not in a rush to leave. or do something else if I'm having fun doing this.

You know what I mean? I feel like a lot of people are always kind of trying to find that next thing. Once they get it, it's not fun. And they're like, well, what's the other thing? I enjoy this part of it. So now that we know that you're not in a rush to do things, which is why we haven't seen you in too many projects, but however... I don't like...

When we saw you in top five, I was like, okay, so this is... I had a whole scene. It fucking cut. I'm on the director's floor. I don't know. I'm still mad at Chris about that shit. But you did it, which is like... At XM radio.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, you did it? You was in the interview? I was, I had a whole thing. It was like me and Chris like a one-on-one scene. I'm telling him to go to the projects. And then, and then, but watching the movie as like somebody that like has to make those decisions, I'm like. See why I got cut.

Oh, yeah, I guess that was a stupid transitional scene that you did not need or whatever. But I was still mad that I was cut. But what was that like in that scene with all of those people at that one time? Because, you know, when he went back to the projects and it was like, you, Sherry Shepherd. Chris diss the shit out of me during that, what you call it? It was hilarious. He goes, we were,

because I remember in that XM studio, that scene, it's me, him and Rosario. And Rosario, I'm like starstruck, but I was, you know,

this Rosario Dawson. And I'm like, holy shit, this is Rosar- and she's like, nice where you're like, oh my God, I think she loves me.

Anytime like, she's just like a nice person that happens to be beautiful. Like, this is cute, she must love me. She was super nice. And then she was like, where are you from? Because she's from Lower East Side, too.

So we was talking about it to the Lower East Side. And she was like, have I met you before? And I'm like, I don't think so. And that's all Chris hurt. You don't think so. You don't know if you met Rosario Dawson and that? I don't know. And everybody's just dying.

Have you met Beyonce? Can you remember that, nigga? I don't know, man. It's real, though. And I'm like on set. Like, I don't know what I'm doing. Just get me out of here. Just giving my Uber pool back.

So wait, what was your reaction when they told you we want you to try a week and update? My reaction was no, initially. You said no? Initially. I mean, it was like, it was the same reaction. I have to host an Emmy's where I'm like, I don't know. You said no. But could you collectively feel all of Black America watching?

you to make sure that you delivered. No, I never really, I never thought it'd be that. I never thought, I always thought if you let me talk, if you let me say what I want to say, somebody's going to notice what I'm saying because I just like to say shit like that. You know, that's like since kindergarten. But on weekend update, the format was so rigid that it took me like maybe two seasons to even feel like I could say what I wanted to say.

Just because it was, it's such a set formula that we were doing, I always feel like there's, like, anybody in TV has like, there's like a stepdad period for a lot of people that's replacing somebody. So a lot of times the audience is going to reject you anyway, like a stepdad. Just because you're not. Just because you're not that. You know what I mean? Like, I saw like Trevor go through it. You see, I saw, you know. Steve Colbert.

Yeah, Stephen Colbert certainly. with, you know, just, it's just, it's not Letterman, so I don't like it because it's not Letterman. It's like, yeah, but that's Stephen Colbert. Like, but it's not letterman. You get over eventually. You know what I mean? Huh? You get over.

After a while. Right now, you two are my favorite combo, and I'm like, who's polar and Faye? Well, that's because when you, when you start doing, when you start doing you, when you start doing it, they realize, well, okay, he's not coming back. Tina, Tina, Amy is not coming back. We got to figure out what we like about peace guy. And we're breaking pretty used to that role changing like every decade, I feel like this. Yeah. Like Dennis Miller to...

But you have to make it yours. There was a point, there was like a turning point for me on the show where I was like, if I didn't show up to work and someone else did this job, no one would care. Because there's nothing that I'm saying that only I can say. And that was how I started writing when I was like, well, what can I say that nobody else can say? Do you write? Weekend update or does someone else? Now I write.

At first, I didn't write any of it. Oh. For like a season, I didn't write any of it. And then, and Lauren would be like, you need to write it. And I was like, well, I don't think you realize what I write. You know what I mean? I didn't know. Remember in trading places when they brought Eddie Murphy to the house and he was,

and he was like, this is all your stuff? He's like, oh, my. And he's still stealing. They're like, no, you don't understand. You're stealing your stuff. So that's how I felt at the show. They were like, just take control of it. And I'd be like, yeah, okay, whatever.

Hey, what should I say next? They said take control of like? No, say what you want to say. So after a while, I was like slide in one. And then I would be like, oh, I'm not, okay. I slide in two. And the next thing I know, I was like, all right, this is what we're going to do. So how much research do you have to do?

Like, do you now have to obsessively watch MSNBC and Fox News and da-da-da-da-da. I don't. Everybody prize himself that everybody that does much. my job or my type of job, prize himself to being the smartest guy in the room. I try to take the perspective of the guy that's the smartest guy in room that doesn't know anything about what's going on. Like, my grandmother's my comedy influence

when it comes to a weekend update. When I'm like, if I told my grandmother what happened, what would her reaction? Immediate, you know what I mean? And that's how you get cheap cracker. You know what I mean? Like it's just like, that's how you get that, though. It's just like what do people who don't watch the news all the time

think when they hear this shit what's like the kind of lowest common denominator of where's that connection and that's kind of where i write from but you know that's my thing and then Colin does the other thing and then it so jumping to the emies um how long does well it's august now and when are we just had our first we just had a meeting yesterday not our first meeting but we had a meeting a meeting yesterday how big your team we're gonna it's gonna be fun i think will it'll be the SNL team that you work with? Are you working with the, is there an Emmy team? We got a few ringers, but we got a lot of

SNL people and, you know, we kind of got a good balance. Wow. Does it require, like, are you, you know, are you entertaining, you know, Spirit Fingers, musical opening or is it just like?

All right, there are no spoiling. There might be some elements of music. We wanted to feel like SNL is hosting the Emmy. but while still keeping the integrity of the Emmys. You know, like, we don't want to kind of spoof it or lampoon it. Is it me? Me, think Lauren also got a special relationship with the Emmys

because, like, in retrospect, you think about the Tina, Amy. Like, a lot of alumni have kind of hosted that as well. Well, the way they did Golden Gloot. They did Golden Gloot. They did Golden Glove. You're right. They rotated through the networks, the Emmys. So, like, this year's NBC has it.

So when NBC has it, I think it's been Jimmy. And it's been... Jimmy's like four years ago. And Seth's done it before. Do you have a favorite host so far? Like for award shows? No, any award show. Have you watching an award show once he was like, yo?

I like Tina and Amy a lot. I think I love what they do together. I think they're really good. And I think they're two people that when they do what they can do what only they can do. You know what I mean? You can't just have two random people do the same act. I was going to say since it's such a staple where, you know, you have the pizza delivery guy in the audience thing, you should just take them to like Rosco's or something.

I would love to put some. I got, we got a couple tricks on my sleeves. We got a couple tricks of us leaves that we were talking about. That could be really fun. I'll tell you, I can't spoil it. Don't spoil it. Don't kill me. But you're going to have to, you need some cue cards because you don't watch TV.

So all those people in the audience. We got cue cards, then we got what you call it, too. Tell a problem. Yeah, hopefully. We got to figure all of that out, though, because you can't show the cute cards on TV. Actually, by the time this airs, this, it will have. The Emmys? Wait, when is the air date again for the Emmys?

I think late September. Yeah, like, I think 19- Kofi-he on right in time. They're spoilt it. No, no, no. Oh, maybe. All right. No, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to know. We talk about that song. That is one of the most unlikely hit song. I didn't get it. I was like, this shit is a hit.

Y'all really like this fucking. I love Mario. Really? I would braid his hair. Is that your favorite? Wining. That's Mario Wiener's. I think about Mario Rario.

Yeah, I didn't. No. So any plans for any other stand-up specials? Yeah, I'm working on a special now, but another one that I think is where I feel like specials are just not really, because so many people have specials that it's almost like, yeah. It's not special. But you already get some of that Netflix money, right? Yeah, it gave me a little.

It was okay. They didn't Monique me. They didn't Monique me. They didn't monique me. They took care of me a little bit. But it's not even so much. I don't know. I always like to go against the ground.

Everybody's going one way. I kind of want to go another way. I was thinking of doing something a little bit different. Everybody seems to be trying to do stuff a little bit more conceptual now. Just because they're trying to stand out. But I don't know. It's just special. It's just weird.

when you have access to producing them when it's not like four. When I was a kid, it was like four specials would come out a year. Like you waited for Chris Rock special because that was one of three specials that you were going to get to see or Cat Williams or whatever. And that's kind of why they were so big. And when a special came on repeat, it was that one. So everybody kind of knew it. And I feel like now there's 10 a week.

Have you seen the front page of Netflix? It's like, oh, oh, oh, oh, a millennial comedian. A millennial nasty comedian. Yes, it's a lot. And not just Netflix, it's just, it's everywhere. But the cool thing that I do like about Netflix, though, not just because they paid me last, but people tend to watch multiple in a row.

So like when Dave's special comes out, I get a lot of hits about my special. Right. Because I'm like, oh, so you saw a Dave name. It was like, if you like that. Oh, you like that. Yeah, yeah. And then they kind of throw you in an album.

So it is cool because people, that are going like looking for one guy will you know discover a lot more so that is that is a benefit but for me i just think conceptually to make people talk about it it can't just be did you hear his do you see his special it's got to be like did you see this thing about that you know it's got to be a little bit more i like seeing you interact with people on the street i think that's dope too yeah oh that's fun yeah i don't get to do that a lot anymore but they don't let me They don't Yeah, they don't really

Are you? Head writer dude You gotta take you? I know, I gotta start Dragging my nuts Man, I want to ask you I was gonna ask you How did, what was your reaction

When the text from old girl Hit the neck Yo, my nigger I just wanted to dab you up from I dabby up real like Yo, the way you handle that shit I was like word to fuck up Yeah, we were gonna'clock

Yeah, we were gone. Here's what happened Get that bitch up out of here So I got hit up by page six on Facebook. Literally she was like, hey, we got this this lady that was been saying

that you did X, Y, Z to her, and you know, you were really mean and rude and nasty and she, we're going to run the story. Do you have any comment? And she showed me the story she was going to run. And it was just basically co-signed it. I was a piece of shit that I was like, did this, you know, just

from texting. And I was like, none of that shit happened. Like, I have every text. And it's not even that I save text. It's just I never delete text. Yeah, yeah. I just don't think to, you know? So I was like, yo, I found her number. And I was like, this is every interaction I've ever had with her. And I'm not even going to tell you my side.

I'll let you tell me my side. And then she was like, okay, can I use these? And I was like, yeah, I'm thinking she means use a quote. I didn't know she's going to print the fucking screenshots that I sent her. So it looked way, it looked like I was trying to, but I was like, no, I was really just showing her thinking that she was going to quote one line or two or whatever and say, well, this is bullshit or even or take it to her editor. and they're like, hey, we can't run the story.

And then they ran it and then it kind of, I almost wish I didn't say anything about it because then maybe it just would have went away. But I also think if that shit would have ruined me, like in the climate of Me Too and the climate of, you know, harassment,

I would have never been able to defend myself if I didn't have those messages. I would have been fried. I appreciate you for clapping back. I was going to. I was like, word the fuck up, Michael Jay. Still on Rayo, though? No, that was my,

I learned my lesson. You still single? Yeah. That's why you're not doing. Wait, wait, when's this come out? Okay. Is you planning on that? Yeah, something about to change?

Wait, that was a Rayafel? That was a Ray of Phil. Okay, so what is Ray? I'm still on the waiting list. Ray is a, like, Tinder for Rich. Yeah, it's a celebrity, uh, tender. Okay, rich, Nicket Tinder. All right, cool.

Not necessarily rich, just stats. Handsome and wealthy. It's the same. shit. No, you have to be, no-uh, Mike, you have to be accepted. That's a different thing.

You know, like, how you go to the halal cart and one's got a long line and one doesn't? It's the same fucking meat. It's the same shit. It's just one got a line, one don't.

Well, I'm really. From the result, dude. Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, really. I mean, look, it's the same. I didn't know that was a Raya fell. The only thing I liked about Raya, though, was that you can't screenshot

on the app. Well, yeah, they warn you. Yeah. They'd be like, The time I did it, it was like, whew, pooh, warning, warning, money. Oh, damn. You can't, you can't screen. So what is the Ray of, I'm not caring about?

So it's a spot, it's a spot that, like, you know, I might see Demi Lovato's real join. I might see, you know, like I see peers, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, singers, seven street, like. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. You know, it's basically a tender where you'll see more writers. People with shit to lose. Right, exactly. There you go. I got it.

Yeah. It's like El Caputin and plenty of fish and the rest of them. I think my count's still up and shit. Damn. So if you're looking for a side piece. No, I got it out immediately. And then what really hurt me too was, you know, Dan Soda, a very funny comedian, Dan Soda. He's a writer on billions to show billions.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And so I told them about Rhea because, like, while ago. And so he wrote it in the show and he was like Michael Chay's on it on the show. So people that watch billions. Because I watch billions. Yeah. There was like an episode where somebody says Michael Che is on Raya. And I was like, you motherfucker. So now people are like, are you really on Raya? So now I'm like associated with Raya. They need to throw me some money or something like that. Between that and that and that chick, I gave Raya a lot of business. I'm certain. That is hilarious.

Your IG is some of the most dangerous comedy I've ever seen. I feel like you use it because, you know, it'll be going in 24 hours. Sometimes less. I delete it sometimes even quicker. It's just fun. So you leave your comments open for people to? My messages, I leave open and I, like, screencapping and I answer it. I like it better than Twitter because on Twitter, like, they could take you, they can just at you,

and then they get your whole followers. to read all of that shit. And this I get to select, I get to pick what I want people to see when I don't want people to see. I never saw that. Yeah. A motherfucker could like at you

and then everybody that followed that read your shit, they see that. That's why they say the wild crazy shit to you so that they could be attached to and then the motherfuckers, they use your own thing. I never thought of that, Michael Jr.

I don't like it. Yeah. Speaking of Dangerous Comedy, were you at SNL when Louis C.K. did the monologue, the child? How did that shit go? Like, how did that come about? I mean, at that point, it was still Louis.

You know, it was still like everyone loved Louis. So he could kind of, you know, like, that's the ill thing about comedy for me is it's not so much what it is. It's who can do it. You know, kind of like the Richard Pryor thing. Like, it's not so much what he's saying. It's that he's saying it in that, you know what I mean? In that format that you're like, damn, that's bold, you know? So like for Louis to come on national TV

and say some shit like fucking kids must be good. You're like what? You know what I mean? Like on network, this is the first thing we're seeing? This is supposed to make us watch the rest of the show.

It's just bold. It's just like fun to watch just on that that you know, like you, that you're even willing to try that. But that's one of the dope things about our show is that that's where you can do that. So was that like a writer's room that came up with that stuff?

No, that was him. That was him. That was him. That was Louis. Stand-ups usually will work out their monologue the whole week. Okay. And do they have to run it by y'all before or? We see it.

The first time we see it is usually dress rehearsal. They don't even do it through run-through. They'll do it at dress rehearsal with a live audience because telling jokes to nobody is like very demoralizing because you have to hear the lives. You know what I mean? It's just like. Yeah, they do that a lot at 30 Rock. Someone has to go through their routine to an empty audience. Yeah, that's rough.

That's rough. I remember when I worked at The Daily Show, John would go through, run through, and he would do all of the jokes to just like us. Yeah, like maybe 20 of us, maybe 15, 15, 20 of us. And that's how he would guess. Would them make decisions based on? We would all huddle up right after it. And he'd be like, move this, do this, do this, do this.

And then we have one more meeting with a big ass whiteboard. and that was the show. John was a motherfucker. Like, I never seen anybody that kind of knew the audience reaction before the audience knew it better than John. He was so good at that.

Wow. You bounced back and forth because you said... Yeah, I went to the Daily Show. I didn't have... It was pretty much I didn't have a summer. As soon as Esno rap, I went straight to the Daily Show.

And as soon as the Daily Show... As soon as the Snow came back, I went straight back to Estenau. Was that John's last season? I was John's last season. I was like maybe... three, four months before he left. I didn't know he was leaving, though.

Ah, okay. I had no idea. That's both Johns, right? No, no, no, no. When I remember, like, one of my last weeks, he was giving Trevor the tour to come in as, like, a correspondent. Ah.

End quote. Yeah. He was like a special quote. He was, like, kind of doing what Wilmore was going to be doing. Ah, okay. I remember what Wilmore used to do? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's what he, like that was kind of how it was presented. Like, oh, yeah, well, you know, Trevor's going to, you know. But he knew otherwise, though. I don't know. I don't think he did. I don't think he did because I think for a while they wasn't sure who it was going to be. And then they decided Trevor before they decided Trevor. That's what I know.

I don't know. I never really talked to Trevor about it. TV funny. Just like everybody else's job. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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Are you looking forward to season 40, what is it, 42 now? This is 40, this will be 44. Jesus Christ, this is Obama year. Wow, you're right. Are you looking forward to it or is it like? I am. You're promoting it in Obama year, Michael? I think that.

Obama year during the Trump administration. I think that this one's going to be a fun one, honestly, because I feel like everybody's kind of hawking out. I think, like, Kate McKinnon is a super. Superstar, Leslie's, you know, star. And I think, I think, like, this is going to be, like, a fun season where everybody kind of starts to, I think, like, it's not as Trump heavy anymore. How not?

You sure? How do you do that? I don't think it will be. If he's still making the material. Do you, yeah, do you, I mean, not that if you expect impeachment action or whatever, midterms, I'm, I have faith that something will happen in the midterms. You do? I don't

Something will happen Either more collusion Or the house will turn over I don't think they got them You don't think they got them yet I don't think they got them But it's almost weird Because it's like

You know when the dudes Like When you're about like Two UC2 dudes about to fight And they say like The dude that's taken off The most clothes Don't want to fight

Yeah I think that's what my I don't think they want I don't think they got it Well I don't know It's kind of weird I'm in the minority

with that I'll say that, but I just, I think they would have did it by now. Well, as a black person, I got to have faith in something that's impossible. How long, but how long did Watergate take? How long was that? Not this long. Not this long. Not months, because basically Democrats had the house.

Like, if we could just get the house, this nightmare could end. You know, but we don't have the house. We need five. So, but it's, I'm just saying that. either way, like, if he continues, that's technically good for you, per se. If Trump continues? I mean, because I feel... In terms of material, you mean?

This is, like, SNL being a cultural zeit guys... No, no, no, no. We could say that no one said. But the thing is, is that you guys are more... You guys are more digestible. Like, for me, we can update is actually a news program now, because... That scares me. I know.

I watch real news. Y'all be on topic. Yeah. Comics are more, the way I present it is in a way that's more digestible. I mean, you don't realize that every, every diatribe that you do on Weekend Update winds up being a heavily passed around. Yeah, but I understand it on clip. On that front.

But I'm saying there's stuff I feel like we could do on Weekend Update that isn't necessarily Trump, that's way more important. Like, I watch, like, the real estate that Oliver has, or I watched the real estate that even Trevor has. But, I mean, he does his show every day, so it's a little bit less fair to say to compare it. But, you know, like, there's a lot of important shit that we could be talking about that this motherfucker is taking up real estate.

Right. Yeah. And it's like, really? I got to talk about his wife now. God. No. Talk about Barn Zuckerberg for all that. But the thing is, I don't think it's even Trump specific.

but I feel as though the domino effect of like we definitely would not have me too if it weren't for the Trump administration that I feel I don't feel there's a lot of things yes I agree with you I don't think so okay I mean because it would have happened during the Obama era because remember what happened on inauguration day a women's march yeah okay yeah against everything that he stood for got like whatever he stands for then it's like we're going to sort of seek it out and everyone else other than than him and make them pay for what he represents. Because we can't get him out of

the bank. Yeah. So even if you don't have to talk about him specifically, I mean, you're going to talk about immigration, which is a result of him. You're going to talk about Me Too. He's right. Everything is a result. Even the banks and getting the access to our Facebook, that's his fault. I'm going to blame him. Yeah, you're going to have Zuckerberg jokes. The way update

is delegated, it's about four minutes, and then a three-minute feature, and then, you know what I mean, three minutes and then maybe a three minute feature. And, you know what I'm so it's like the real estate that we have to be able to talk about, and then it's between two people,

so you cut that, it's almost like income. Like you gotta cut that in half. And you go, you know what I mean? So you get two minutes. I pretty much get four minutes to talk about everything I want to talk about in the week and some of it has to be Trump.

So it's like, how do you not talk? This motherfucker is tweeting Saturday morning or Saturday afternoon, which happens. I can almost set my clock to this motherfucker. He tweets Saturday at like 8 in the morning. Anywhere between 7 and 11 in the morning. I got to look at it. We got to relook at all of the jokes that we have, figure out, all right, well, what development? Is this more important than this?

What do we have to? So, like, we have all that jokes on the table. We got to lift shit. All right, this is not even important anymore. feels weird to say this by the time, you know, midnight comes, this isn't like going to be old news. So it's just exhausting. But I, not even so much update specific. I just mean show-wise, I think that people have seen the impression, people have seen us go through. They've seen us cover it. There's not, so I feel like this is going to be a year where we

maybe take it to the next level of just creatively of different things that's possible with our cast and not let this motherfucker dominate our... Maybe you take the lead and the news will follow. That's what I hope. I mean, you know, it's not just me. It's not up to me. It's also up to... Well, I mean, as a show, like,

because the news is doing the same thing that you're saying y'all trying to stay away from. Like, MSNBC, CNN is all the same, all the time, his name. So, yeah. And he knows... And he's playing it like an instrument, man. Yes, he knows. He knows exactly when to say some crazy shit about LeBron.

He knows exactly when to say something. Yeah, he knows when to dominate. Motherfucking knows how to control the... the news source and everybody's guilty because we all think it's interesting. We all want the clout, you know, like we all want to have the witty, perfect thing to say about what he's saying. And it's just like, dude, you don't realize. Yeah, you're making the monster.

You're just playing along. You know, you're really just, you don't get it. The Hollywood star fame people, they already took the lead. They said, just take it away. So it won't be no debate, no argument. Just take it away. Yeah, it's gone. Oh, good.

Wait, so speaking of distraction, in wrapping up this episode. This was fun as hell, by the way. Thank you. Oh, man. Enjoy it. Yeah, thanks for letting me come up here. You're welcome.

I have to say, dude, you have to make more Willie sketches. You don't know. Oh, man. Willie was such a... Look, I have three YouTube mixes on my private YouTube page. One's all Michael.

One's all Soul Train. The other is Willie compilation. So who is Willie? Willie is this, this, I'm probably the, no, no, it's funny as shit. It's a character that Michael's written for Kenan Thompson. Oh, with the, yeah, the curve, okay. He, how would you describe Willie?

He's the most optimistic, he's my, the most optimistic guy I know. He's my neighbor. He always sees the bright side of everything. everything, but he just has the worst life ever. It's really sad. He's been involved with, it's really big. He sounds so familiar. Like, you know.

He has the worst luck on Earth. He has the worst luck on nerve. And he's always trying to cheer me up. And he just keeps using an example. Wait, Willie's based on a real person? No. Oh, I was really, I was, really, yeah. Willie's not based on a real person.

I think I had an uncle, Delmar, who was sort of like that. And this is an S&L sketch This is you, okay This is a weekend update He's an update character The punch line is always like He'll always say Hey, it's like they always say

And he'll come up with an idiom But he doesn't realize He doesn't realize that You know It's like they always say Hey Willie What do I tell you about coming in Why I'm fucking your mama

It's always that Yeah I like to bit y'all did It was what The weekend update The one It was only one that got cut That was like way too rough.

A Willie? A Willie where he goes, it's like I told Martin Luther King, you can smoke outside. Oh, shit. Oh, man. Oh, man. They were like, you can't do that.

Okay, so what's the line in that? Where is the line? I mean, why is that? And that one, oh, man, we've, for Willie, well, I don't know. With Willie, we had them say some wild shit, man. Were they afraid of, like, kickback from Black Lives Matter.

I think Kenan was like, I don't want to do that one. Oh, that's Willie. You could smoke out on the balcony. You can smoke on the balcony, Mel. That's fucking funny. That was like the craziest one where we was like, I don't know. We had him a graduation one where he was like, it's like my class told me when I left the school, you locked us in with the shooter, Willie.

It's just like, yeah. Yeah. Are y'all ever going to do any more? What up with that? Is that going to do? The thing about what up with that is Jason. Jason's the thing. He's not there anymore.

And Fred's not there. So it's hard to do. And Bill, Bill Hader, who does. Yeah, who does Lindsey Buckham? So, like, they're all gone. So I think the last time they did it was the 40th. That was, that was Tucker. Man, what a-old.

See, look at you. You're a Brian Tucker fan. You ain't even know. I didn't even know. He's a little black than black. I'm out to meet him. He liked black girls? No, that's just funny.

They stopped there. No, they stopped there. Yeah, they stopped there. Well, we'll get you a riot account. We'll get you a riot account. You might be on riot. You might be on riot. That's right.

We were supposed to blind date you and all that stuff like. I got to boo now. You're late. Okay. Well, we'll see how it works in five months in time for Valentine's Day. How is your thing going with your boo? Questlove. Yeah, I'm still booed up.

Oh. Scooby die. Skib day. Scoot up. That's beautiful. We're taking... We're still winning, sisters. Our second...

I love your code talk. They know what I'm saying. Yeah, of course. Lai is very shocked that I'm dating a black woman. I've been dating black women. She pat her head too. Like one of them ones

that pat her head and get braids. So, you know, Jamaica. Yes, we're going to Hawaii. Okay, word up. Tell Shep we said, what's up? Yes, I will tell Shep, you said hello. Oh, shit. Hawaii.

I've never been in a lot. You got to go, man. You got to go the way of mirror going. I've never been on a vacation. I'm sorry. I will introduce you to Shep Gordon. Yeah. Who's the, you know, the vacation whisper.

Okay. Oh, yeah, I would love that. I've never been on an actual vacation. Is that for real, though, my... You never been on a vacation? I've never been on a plane that wasn't, like, for a show. Work. Since you started doing this.

Since I started doing this. That's real. I don't find that hard to leave. My first vacation was, what, four? When I first met, Shep Gordon? Four or five years ago? Yeah, I think my first one was probably like 2014. 2013.

Okay, but I'm on tap, all right. New York. My idea for a vacation, though, is, like, to not be, have to do anything. Like, I don't have to pack a bag or I don't have to be anywhere. Oh, my, you give me four days. My granddad used to say, I can vacation at my house if all y'all motherfuckers leave. That's exactly right. That's funny.

You know the group, Brockhampton? Yeah, yeah. Sort of Roots Generation Z or whatever. they only have one, like, one record out and already they're like taking a vacation in Hawaii like working on a new record and I'm like

Oh, you were shaming them when you were me as the elder like. No, I was just like, wait, who does that? Like you, but that's... I just heard them yesterday for the first time ever. It's so crazy that you even said. No, broadband, yeah.

They was playing a song in a bar and I thought it was, I thought it was a J-Rock song. Okay. One of the guys kind of is, Ryan Pants sounds like a little bit. They're not like Christian rock or they're Christian. No, it's weird because when I saw them, but it's like seven of them niggins. Yeah, it's like seven or eight of them.

They're black and white. It's like a Benetton ad of generations. Really? Oh, do you know, it's an old reference now? I just, it's no more Benetton. We get it. Well, what's the new Benetton ad? Mountain Dew commercial.

Okay, there you go. It's bright commercial of new generation. No, but what's weird is that, what's weird is that, who put me on to them? Mecca from Digible Planets, like, her kids love them. So I looked at them and then, like, we got them on the show. But the thing was, because of a, it's weird, his name is Amir too. They kind of had a Me Too moment. Backstage.

At the show or before? Not Tonight Show, at their show. Oh, at their show. Okay, okay. So they had to kick a member. out. And then when they came on our show I'm expecting

these seven rambunctious like flying all over the place and they did the most emo depressed like they sat on the floor and like a bonfire like with crying millennial tears about like

the loss of a loved one and you know and that was the jam they did I used no they didn't do the jam they decided that they pulled the They pulled the, and they called an audible. They did a Shanei O'Connell. Yeah, I was like, where that was Brock Hampton? You know, Jimmy's looking at me like, is this a group you recommend?

This is the new arts. Oh, damn. I'm telling you. Jimmy hit you with the dash of man. Right, exactly. That's your man. Oh, man, really? That's fucked up, Brock Hampton.

Was it cool at least? I hate people do that. Yeah, he'll be fucking up my colson. I want them, yes, I want them to come back and do what I saw them do. Right, right. Do the hits, niggas. There you go. You're fucking up my co-sign.

Exactly. Yo, Mike, you're more of a music person than you are watching. I mean, of course you don't watch TV. I love music. Well, because music, I'm enamored. I don't know how it works. With comedy, I know how it works, so it's not that interesting. It's the same.

But music, I'm like, I'm blown away by that. So what you rocking lately? What you listen? Oh, man, I don't like. New stuff. They don't have to be new. I'm just asking what you listen. They're not making music for me anymore.

Like, what's your era? That's like kind of. Are you like. Oh, man. Mid-90s. Mid-90s. Your Neptune's Swiss Beets era. That's my era technically, but I like the era right before that.

I like the 95-96. Oh, you're Illmatic? Yeah, Elmatter. You're a backpacker? Yeah, yeah, that's me. You know what a gang star is? Okay. Wow.

You know what a gangsta? I love it. Yo, this is bizarre. You know, like I literally, that same barter, I was listening to Brock Ham to the first time. They was playing guru jazz mattoe. And I was like, jazz matatat. It was an Irish bar called Deacon Brodies. And they was playing Guru Jazzmatian.

Wait, where I was like... In New York? In New York. So you just randomly go to... What's up of you S&L guys going to random bars? Because nobody cares about you. In an Irish bar, no one gives a fuck about who you are. You are fine.

I'm telling you, they don't bother you. Anything college or anything young and hip, you got to worry about a fucking... Pub? Oh, they don't, they could care less. They're playing music. They know who you are. And they're just like, ah, so what? And you're fine. I love it. That's the one aspect of 30 rock folklore that I'm kind of, I'm not mad. I missed out on it because I don't want a habit or anything. But I'm looking for like, if you do it every day, you can't develop a habit because. But how are they able to navigate? Like, they're supposed to be like Jim Belushi, you know,

messing around with Jane Curt in the hallway with heroin. Oh, yeah. Like, I'm looking for, like, the rock stars? Yeah, like, that era. That shit can't exist no more. Everyone's at Whole Foods and, you know, protein shakes and a giant salad bowl. Amazon Prime account.

Steve is like, Steve is the... You're throwing me under the bus again, just to end the episode in a way that you're going to feel happy about yourself? Yeah, Steve, I am. I have a question for you. you okay um just circling back to um to weekend update okay i mentioned set myers as your ghost but uh who's your all-time favorite norm norm i love norm only because norm knew it was funny even if the audience did and i i loved that freedom

that norm and like he he would tell a joke like straight down the back he wouldn't budge and it would get almost like worse than nothing. He was, but he didn't care. Like at home watching it, it was hysterical. That's another thing that we had to, that you have to learn at the show is you're playing the studio and then you're playing the camera as well. It cuts through.

Something could kill in the room and nobody at home's laughing. Like it's a different, it's a weird kind of dynamic that you have to learn on doing. Norm was kind of the master of it. He knew what was funny even if the audience. He wouldn't even do a dress rehearsal. He wouldn't do a run-through jokes. He wouldn't run through his jokes to let you know

what he couldn't say. He would just do it for the audience kind of the way stand-ups do. It was pretty awesome. A small suggestion. One of the things about watching the show in the studio is the volume is so low.

Yes. Because we're not, we're miced for the camera. We're not miced for the crowd. Right. Yeah, and it's almost like hearing your net, like hearing your natural voice, but from like 120 feet away, you know,

and that's the thing, like some shows that I've seen in person, I'll be like, oh, it was all right. And then I'll go home and watch it the next night. Yeah, yeah. DVR or whatever. I'm like, yo, that was hilarious.

And I'm realizing that shows, SNL's definitely more hilarious on television than it is in. Plus, in the audience, you're sitting really far back so you can't see your face, your facial expressions. and when we can update, sometimes your face...

Well, they have TV. Well... I didn't know. I only went once. I'm sorry, I'm not. They have TVs where you can kind of see a little bit better, but it is true, though. Sometimes, because even if you have the monitor, sometimes you're just trying to watch it happen live

and you can't really get the effect. Because if I watch the monitor, I might as well be sitting down. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but, you know. Good point. I feel at a concert sometimes. If you're that far away and your eye is always on the monitor, what am I doing here?

I feel the way about football games. That's why I don't like going to football. games. I go to the football game and I'm literally just looking at the Jumbotron. I'm like, well, I could just be comfortable. I don't have to be next to two racist. I really don't. I could do this at home. No, the fun, or at least for you, like, the fun of SNL is just the experience of, like, the first, the first episode and the last episode is usually when the Bender's part happens, like, this dress rehearsal, what, 830 to 1030? And then the show is 1130.30.

to one and usually the sad rejects go up to 17 and get slashed until about 1.30 and then the after after parties from 1.30 to about 3.30 or 4. That's another thing. Now that the lonely island

is left, like there's no one, they came and disrupted the after party system whereas they started throwing their own after parties and then there was like oh the cool kids. Who the Lonely Island? Wait. Andy Sam And Sam Bird.

Oh, y'all call them. Okay. That's their rap group named Long Island. Oh, that's, okay. They, you know, like, when you see, like, S&L comedy videos. Dick in a Box. Like, they really brought the viral video. They damn near invented it because Lazy Sunday was the first viral video.

So they invented the viral video. So, but they would have their own cool kids parties versus the Teamsters and the other people that can't play and read their games. But then when they left, no one was feeling that void. Like, you should be Well, uh, shouldn't it just be one party? I feel like you and Pete

We don't To throw your own Actually, your birthday party was lit It was fun Yeah But that was the last, that was the last party Yeah, we hung out

But I just don't, I don't go I don't even go to the parties Look at that I just don't go That's right, you got responsibilities and shit It's not even so much that

Look, you, it's You're so exhausted After a show Like just mental And then you're around all these mentally exhausted people. I don't want to be around them. And not even like at a disc, but just like everybody just wants to talk about the show.

It's like, you've done this and you've been waiting so long for this shit to be over. And then now somebody wants to talk to you about it. And you're like, nigga, I want to go home and enjoy my Sunday. I would say so it's Sunday, is that you really your only day to? Sunday is your one day. And you would lose your Sunday because, yo,

when they drink at the after after party, they drink until like eight, nine, ten in the morning. A triple after party. Yeah, there's like three after parties. And then there's a breakfast. So you might come home at one in the afternoon. Yeah, it's literally all friggin' So Sunday you just sleep the entire day

And then next thing you know, you're Monday. You have time for fucking. Well, I mean, everybody's got 10 minutes. Wait, why would you wait? Wait, that was a great. So, you're 15 minutes if you're Mark Nelson. We're literally going to the show on that note. Michael Jay, I thank you very much.

Wait, I hate the fact I was really proud of the fact that this is going to be an effect free show that Michael was going to be our first I wanted to get to the bottom of that because, you know, Michael Che is a woke black man and he's single and we got to get to the bottom of the thing Excuse me, Mike, and one second.

Nothing, no, no, no. I am, and so are you, you're into that, right? That was the problem in the first place. Michael, I thank you very much for coming to our show Man, it's just so much fun. Thank you. Thank you, man. And good luck on your future endeavors.

Can you just say I love black women? I'm just joking. I love black women. There we go. I'm just, oh. Why wouldn't I love black women? Listen, I just want to. This is a lot of you we're talking to.

Anyway, on behalf of Sugar Steve. Your face right. Hey. Bill, I'm very sorry. Other Bill was up. Oh, yeah. All right. I'll see you all in the next go round.

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