The Questlove Show - QLS Classic: The Family Stand Part 2

Episode Date: October 4, 2026

Recorded in early 2020, this classic episode of Questlove Supreme is Part 2 of the Family Stand conversation. Sandra St. Victor recounts leaving Atlantic for Elektra Records, and her alleges that Sylvia Rhone shelved her intended debut LP, Sanctuary. The band also discusses Prince hearing the album and working with Sandra, Curtis Mayfield’s warm mentorship, their defiant Moon In Scorpio era, and Jeff’s incredible saxophone work on hits by Billy Ocean and Debbie Gibson. Along the way, The Family Stand share wild stories about a 1983 night at Rick James’ house and Roy Ayers on tour in Africa, pay tribute to their late guitarist Ronnie Drayton, and reflect on the Black Rock Coalition. The episode closes with Stevie Wonder humbly taking their notes and a preview of the band’s new album, which grew out of their reunion concert at the Met.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And this 80-minute half of the conversation, The team Supreme and I dig into the business. Saunders to exit from Atlantic Records and recording for Electra, the air quote, seal your own incidents. She talks about the album that never came out, not to mention her working with Prince on Sanctuary, Soul Sanctuary. And Curtis Mayfield's mentorship, Stevie Wonder, taking notes, and more Billy Ocean Talk. Look, I love this family stand episode, and I'm grateful for this episode. It's one of our wildest ever. Please listen with me.

All right. So we were on you. I'm sorry, before you were really rude interruption. That was a good interruption, though. I like that. Yeah, so, I mean, she said something that we definitely should acknowledge. Which is, you know, Jimmy giving her the heads up on a certain someone. Thank you for giving me the heads up on friends.

Oh. Oh. Wait a minute. What happened? Her solo record in 19. Which one? There was 93 the Sanctuary album. Yeah.

What happened? Oh my God. So wait. You left, well, I'm not saying Merlin, Bob, and Sylvia, but just to return to them, wasn't your solo project on? Okay. What time do we have? So, um, is, go look at the time.

Are we going to be crying after the story? Probably. No, no. It's actually kind of funny when I look back. It wasn't funny then. But, no. So I was, of course, so as a group with Atlantic, they were signed as producers. It was going to be a producer's album, but then we decided to make it just us.

So then they had to sign me in an inducement letter, right? So I was signed separately. They were committed to five albums. I was only committed to three albums. And after that third album, we saw that the label wasn't going to give us any real love, right? It was like they were treated like. Like they've been doing. Like do, do.

So, so, you know, we said, look, let's just, let's just take you someplace else. You're, your deal is up. Let's go do basically family saying someplace else, but just under your name, right? Okay, so, because I was free. I was free. Right. And that was fine. And so I remember the meeting with me and our, and our manager, Abby, with Sylvie Ruin.

And he told her. Rhone or Ruin? Sylvia Rewenthal. So. Let's see. Just let it sit for a second. I got a reprimonte. Nigger.

Okay. That's a good. That's a, I sound like Foley. It's the Foley says about to a nigga. You know Foley? Oh, yes. Have you had in here? You got to get Foley on, too.

You got to have Foley on. Foley's crazy. I love him. That's he's like, the original thing. He tests me all the time. Well, so we're in the meeting and Abby's explaining to her. So basically we're here because Sandra's deal is up.

and we just want to let you know that you have first writer refusal so you could, you know, pick her up a solo artist or she's going someplace else and she was like, no, that's not true. That's not true. No, that's not true. No, that's not true. And he said, but it is.

No, that's not true. That's what, this went on for like three or four times. She picks up phone calls business affairs. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Slams a phone down. Oh, she was mad. So she was mad as hell. And then she was just like,

mm-hmm, okay, okay. She was tight, man. She was tight. we we exited the room we just exited because she was woo we left and I was fine this is when she was still at you know Atlantic right

I mean Atlantic Can I ask the question? Can I ask a question though? Yeah yeah So when you tell a label exec. Yeah a label exec. Thank you I'm black

Look aty black When you tell a label exec that was scary as fun right It's just scary I'm telling you this is the best episode ever When you tell them Look can we Can you let us go because

You know You ain't doing that for us Okay It was a hostile thing No you can't say it like that It'll be depending on who you're talking to Because I wrote the most humbling letter ever To Jimmy I was crying at the end like

Oh no That's sweet That's sweet Sir you have all these platinum artists Like, you won't miss us at all. Right. No, but we, we want. Why the need to hang on to you?

Yeah, it's a whole egg on the face thing for some people. And there's, there's an ego issue with some folks. But if they let you. So the fear of you having success on another label. Some place else, it would be egg on their face. Yeah. Because I couldn't make it work, but they could. Oh, that's not good.

No, that makes me look like I was, I was the failure and not the artist. So, okay, let me just give my, come and try to cut the chase. No, no, no. It was the long version. Shut up me. So we leave this meeting. He was over. Okay, I'm free and clear.

And she was obviously not going to give me, you know, the first. She wasn't going to try to pick me up herself because she was pissed. And so we go do our little searching. We're talking to Sony. We're talking to Epic. We got, like, you know, a little bidding war going on. I wanted to go with the lecture, the boutique label, because they love black women. They had Anita Baker.

They had Tracy Chapman. They had Natalie Cole. They had Need a with me. It was like, I can't think of it. They had like so many, it was thick with just big black women voices. Crasnow was there. Crasnow was there. Crasnow was there.

Oh, he loved black ones. Point his sisters. He loved black women. Bob Crasna. Yes. He loved voices, man. Right. So he was like, you know, he wasn't offering the most money.

What? I don't know. This story's about to go. I'm already laughing at the punchline. Oh, stop. Okay, good, good. Okay, so you see what, you see what's happening. Oh, I can't wait for the story.

Go ahead. So, so Bob Craz was there. It was like dope. He's like, I've got like a $900,000 budget, which is great back in the day. He sent me, we had finished the album, Almas in the can, sent me to Jamaica to do the photo shoot. I'm in the limo on the way back from Jamaica, get a call from Michael Alago, my A&R at the time. First it was Carol Chiseman and Michael Lago. He said, did you hear what happened?

I said, no, he said Bob Crasnell stepping down. And I was like, oh, damn, I love that. I do. You know, but it's cool, albums in the can. And, you know, we just finished the shoe. Boom, boom, boom. And he's like, you know who took his place? I'm like, of course I don't even know he stepped down.

And he said, Sylvia Ron. Oh, that's right. Electra. Electra. Oh, God, no. Oh, Jesus, why? Thank you. Sorry.

I need a little bit more that one. I thought you're going to go, dun, dun, dun, da. Damn. I feel like by the time she got. out there was only in vogue left over. So what was that meaning? What was that meaning like? So then I wrote her a letter.

That's what going someplace. See? Yeah, see? Yeah, see? Yeah, my brother, I'm going to kill you, see. Sugar. What you did to my brother? I'm going to do to you now, see.

I wrote her a nice letter, sent her candle. Sister girl. I was like, girl, hey, you. You know, this is time for us to like women to like, you know, this is a woman. I tried my best. I did. She would ever bit you with her eyes? I tried to, yo.

Listen. Yo. I said, I let her and a candle. And so I was like, okay, I figured she was just, you know, I said, I'm glad to see you here. Let's sit down. And let's just, you know. Black women working girl. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Women at sister. I'm doing it. Doing it. Yes. Yeah. She was like, yeah, you come on in.

Let's sit down and talk. I was like, I was like, okay. So I was like, yeah, so going to sit down. Oh, my God. Her eyes were on fire. So she sat there. She was, she let me talk and we played the music some more

because she'd already heard the album. She said, no, no, play it for me. So I played it. She was milking the shit. Let me tell you song. She was milking, you know her. Yeah, yeah. Milking it.

Eyes was just like watching me, right? And while we listen, I'm trying to just be cool, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be all aesthetic. I was like waving incense and shit, I swear to God. I bought the whole shebang with me. And so we listened to the shit, she was like, you know, I just don't think this is for us. I just don't hear anything for it. This isn't really where I want to go with the label, you know.

Oh, I was so. She just kind of said, you know, bye. You know, just like, no, this is, we're not going to do this. And I'm like, but their album is kind of already done. She's like, yeah, I'm not going to release it. You know, but am I free? Are you going to let me go? She was like, well, we'll talk about that later, but for sure, we're not going to do anything with this record.

We're not going to be releasing it. She said that like 12 times. She loved that so much. Remix It was like Paul Mooney She said Keep his teeth white She was like

We're not going to release your album We're not going to release your album We're not going to release your album Gosh she referenced the race album By Paul Mooney One of my favorite albums of all time Yo man Wait wait wait

Wait Ladies and gentlemen I want to tell you That when the idea of me having my own podcast was introduced this is my dream like I'm never going to have this high again

go be chasing the dragon from here on now every story yeah this is my crack hit yeah Sylvia ain't coming I know I don't know if you'll get Sylvia no no she's not about she's on the show actually she'd be a good interview I actually seen it recently I see all the time I've seen it recently

she comes to her artists still come to the tonight show And this is what, and I said this to her. And actually, I meant this, this is the thing about Sylva and us and them, really, because as you said when we opened the introduction, we are kind of a, we're a different group of kind of individuals, groups in the context of music industry, whatever. And the thing is, on a certain, on a deep level, I think she really, really got who we were and us and really dug the music.

However, when she had to go out into the world of those R&B promotion departments, they were like what is this shit you we get a hell of them but they don't get seven of those or what's this rock shit what you know so damn it black radio yeah so they would have to plantation radio it means that they would have to

use elbow grease well yes and figure out they actually have to work yeah they're not that's not it they don't do that record labels I mean the thing literally every time it's funny I even want to hear these songs today my little kids hear they hear like invoked songs and they sound dope.

Before Ghetto Heaven came out, we heard, they showed us, she said this, we know we have this new, this other actors coming out the same time as you. Oh, yeah, I remember. We was up in our office.

And she played the video, and I'm like, oh, who's this group? And then I heard, hold on to your love. And so the video, I'm like, I was like, oh, oh. Uh-oh. Right, we all said, uh-oh.

We all said, uh-oh. The same time. Oh. I heard that song I'm like, that track is dope, and they look hot. And the black dresses, yeah. They put, and it seemed like every time we put out a record, InVo came out two weeks before.

So InVo came out right before. Don't let go? Yes. Digger! Yeah. It came out. So that came out right before Ghetto Heaven. So when Ghetto Heaven, we had a chance to go number one, it was like, ah.

And really where, you know, it's kind of like the Faulkner Road, where careers divide. But there was a, there was a song we had out on that album called in Summer, Summer, Fall. Oh, yeah. That kind of should have been a number one kind of R.B ballad hit. but it came out two weeks after something else that he'd have been put out. It was like, and I think Sondra knew somebody at the label, we're going to the whole story.

But as I remember correctly, he was like, yeah, you know. He was fine as far as me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He would have been fine if he'd got the record to, but anyway. It did well in his territory.

I know. Yes, it did, Sandra. I'm sure it did. I mean, you know. North Carolina was popping on. I know. It probably went to number. before, just like the size of his

personality. Oh, no. Oh, no. I know, though, darling, you don't know what I know. I love it. Actually, I saw the videos. But anyway, the real family.

Wow. Real family. Let me just. Go, did this sound clear? This is going on the air. Yeah. It's going. No.

It's not playing. It's why I need. It's automatic. I don't know these guys. Yep. What is your sign? Because you deal a really. well with these two.

Oh yeah. Does it really matter? Yeah. No, no, he's always like, okay, there they go. He just slides in a church. You're like an earth thing or something. No, he's spicy. Yeah, but still more spicy.

I love that you guys, at least now, are really putting up the appearance that you love each other. We do. We do. No, I know. You can't fake this chemistry, which is why I'm a means to see this. So for this particular situation, like, I don't believe in a true democracy.

I believe in the idea of a true democracy. And I've said this on many episodes before. Yes. Like I like to think that the 11 of us have say or whatever. Like, what do you think? What do you think? What do you think? You know, like everyone from the leader to the minion, the last member of the group to get at it.

But how do you guys decide? Because the thing is, is that you guys are also kind of a. a dinosaur in terms of the fact that groups were starting to become extinct by the early 90s. By, you know, so by the time

you guys come along, there's like maybe nine black bands left on a major label as opposed to 70 or 170 20 years ago. So how do you guys make decisions? How do you guys establish a song?

do you guys like I'm not asking like who's the alpha is this 33 and a third equally or we trust and love each other so much on a and seriously on a deep level

that we each have things that we kind of say kind of kind of takes the lead on in a very organic very organic way I mean the biggest Jeff and I almost kind of like what's the Elton John

and Bernie Taplan we never we never really had one major fight except who should be except Greg Anthony when he was the point guard of the Knicks. That was ridiculous fight, man. Yeah, because... We know he was the greatest point guy. See, Jeff was delusion about Greg Anthony?

Except for music. No, no, no. I said, Greg Anthony is a great defensive player, but he can't shoot. But anyway, but I... He eventually shot when he got to the Grizzlies. Yeah, I had a joke, boy, but I'm not going to say it. Oh, no, that's not. Yeah, no, I'm not going to say that one.

But they had to do with the rest. But anyway, um... I got a lot of favorite references, but I like Greg Anthony. He's a great guy. But it was... The jokes. The jokes. No, but we respect each other's opinion.

And there's like different areas that each of us kind of just like, you know. In my specific situation, I know that the... And I know that Tariq will probably say, like, no, it's 51 you and 49 me. But in my eyes, I'm like, well, I'll slave over a song all night. but if he can't write to it, then it's not getting on the album. And I know the true answer is, well, you guys should be in the room at the same time.

No, no, no, no. But I kind of like working by myself because I had weird hours and I want to get all my ideas out. Some therapeutic things, though. Is collaboration just a myth or... No, I mean, I tell you what... Is it a frustrating compromise?

Now it's harder than it was when we all, because now he's here. I'm in the Netherlands and he's in California. I forgot you moved out of the world. Why? You now live in the Netherlands? Now live?

I've been there since 2003, right? 2002. I've known you forever. I know, right? I mean, yeah, I've been there. I've been there for, I come back and forth so much, though. That's why.

That's why your shoes are so dope. Dumb question. Dumb question, do you, of course you like it better over there? I don't know. No, actually, well, yeah. What's expat like like? It's a better country for,

better health care for sure. Better health care, better systems. Is it free? No, it's not free, but it's good and it's reliable and it's, you know, it's no bullshit. You flew in Dutch right now? Yeah, it can, uh, Eva Pactamets, you also,

the whole interview in the Netherlands, but that you're doing, is off-meet. How long did it take you to nail the language? Six months. No? What? No. Yeah, six months.

No, because, I mean, because of classical training. I learned ARIs and Italian, German, Russian, and French. So languages come easily. I've learned that when you unlock the 16th gene key of your mind of the 50 of them. What book did you just read? Right. I'm sorry, I live the gene keys every day.

So it's just that you can, it's teaching you how to retain how your subconscious can retain information. But your subconscious mind, black. you from from taking it like if we everyone in this room has the power to play like rock modern enough right now if they wanted to right but it's your your faith in oh I can't learn yeah you shut your own stuff out you shut yourself down I believe that right no doubt no doubt but I'm an American so even with all of our terribleness and you know and madness and crazy I miss America so I need What do you miss the most about?

I think the, well, the small things a lot, the shared, the shared history and the things that we can talk about, even like references of jokes. If I say, if I reference, oh, my shoe, everybody knows I'm talking about it. Auntie fall in and stuff. When I say it over there, they look at me like, so, you know, that's whack, you know what I mean? So it's like you have to like really, you know, you got to talk like very precise and just direct. They're very blunt. Right.

And, you know, their jokes are not my jokes and my jokes aren't their jokes. And my history is not their history. So even though you run into black people is not saying black people. I was going to say, do you order your hair products off Amazon? Girl, I don't do none of their hair shit over there. I was about to say. So how you get your shit? How you please?

I order products from over here. I come here often enough to take shit back. You got a lot of shade butter that you just put in the bag. I see sisters on the street over there. I'd be like, oh, girl. Yeah, because I get hair in Europe, black hair in Europe. Oh, baby. You know what about it are doing hair, though?

Never mind. That's, that's generally, seriously going to be my next hustle. I'm going to have, I'm going to open up a hair studio or a hair. Because they need it. So your girls. Your girls. My girls, yeah, their hair is. Yeah, I get all their products and stuff.

You have daughters? Yeah, they got that, you know, that other kind of hair. Ow, they from that they have, they're living in. Okay. You just need a little bit of water on your brush. I love the cool to talk of it. Put a little bit of breath, water on brush, chalo. They got good hair, right?

They're fine. Yeah. They're fine. They're fine. They're fine. They're all right. They're good. They're good.

They're straight, they're straight. I'm sorry. They're straight. All right. Right now, right now I'm going. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, we still didn't get to the point of the story. What was the point of story? What does Jimmy Jam warn you about?

Oh, my God. I totally don't. 45 minutes ago. We're a rabbit hole show. Welcome to the last night. No, he told, I remember when I first, when Prince told Warner Brothers that he had heard my sanctuary album. He was like, how to hear my sanctuary.

To this day, I don't know how he heard my thing. Prince or Jimmy James? Prince. I have my way. He heard. I was waiting for Mr. Black to do it. I was like, how do you?

So she was like, I don't know, but he says he listens to it every morning and he has to work with you. I was like, what? Wow, dope. So before I actually met him, I think it was an ASCAP award show or something and Jim and Jam and Terry Lewis were there. And I was like, oh my God, yo, guys, guess what?

I'm getting ready to work with Prince, man. And they were like, um, don't know. That joke gets funny And the more The more you think about our episode It's like It was like

What are you waiting When you come over Watch you watch your back See your back Just watch your back I was like Well jeez that sounds Very bitter

Why are they saying that? I didn't know Okay But I found out Didn't I? I found out Because you know You know

Everybody knows He was a nice guy With us When he hung out with us Hanging out nice. Yeah, he was cool one. He was very quiet.

He's very quiet. He's very quiet. Look, you know, shit, man, I did one interview in the BBC. They asked me to tell the truth and I did. And the Prince Legion came from me. You got a lot of them cats on Prince. Wait, who called me?

Wait, who? Charmer. What's his name? Oh, Kirk. Yeah, Kirk. Right, that's right. Right. The Kirk called you?

No. Why you put your eyebrow up like that? Not again. It wasn't even Kirk. It was just the least. legions of Prince out of work. It was insane. They came for me.

Like the beehive, right? Yeah, I was like, dude, seriously. They're the original beehive. Y'all need to slow your role because fuck you. Y'all need to find another hive. First of all. You ain't even knowing. Okay, fuck you.

So, like, you know, I told the truth. You believe what you want to believe, but back the, I want my mom, yeah. So, you know. So I'm vaguely aware, so basically over the Soul Sanctuary song that was on emancipation. Five songs are. off that record. He took. Yeah.

Five. With no, with no chat. Wait, what else? There was one that ended up on Shaka's come to my house album. He gave me credit on that.

Yeah. Or open your legs. I'll never open my legs again. And then this motherfucker telling me he's like, yeah, we're going to have to change the title on that. Because that's the one he gave me credit on. He was like,

well, that in the sanctuary. I said, why? I said, because, you know, a woman shouldn't be saying. I'm like, I said, right, you wrote head. Right.

But he was the Jehovah's Witnesses. at that point. So he was so like, I was so like, I'm like, I'm like, I need 15 year old prince. Right, right. I want to work with. Yeah, 96 to 2004. Yeah, he was, that, that, that was that period that I was messing with him.

And, you know, he was all in that, that mode. And I was, I remember the very first time I met him, I came to the studio. I had like, you know, I was just in the, I'm still in my crystals. And, you know, I sat motion. and he must have thought that was some juju. You know what I mean? That was all like against everything the witnesses was about, you know. Wait a minute.

This is the first time he met him. What are you talking about? We met him in, uh... No, I mean, I mean, as far as to work with him. Oh, okay. But, I mean, he was a big family stand fan. I love, yeah, I'm going to say that I too used to laugh at all crystal carrying people. And now you are one.

And now I can't live without it. Yeah, I'm sorry. But I'm being, butabum. So, you know, I see the light now. Yeah. Five songs. You know, and cut gems, right? It's just me start using those crystals with the odorant that's usually appropriate.

I don't do that. I don't use a crystal stick? I don't do that. I don't. You're not using the secret anymore? Everybody has tried it. I just don't. Look, the odorant, what's that?

Because I've seen, I've smelled the results. You know the term, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Yeah? It ain't my house no more. Okay. You need to her to get some times. They made like a charcoal drawn now. They're a little bit stronger.

Yeah, I'm using charcoal. Two-face charcoal soup Come on Come on there Sorry I went out with this girl once here She used a pebble I told you

Like for the deodorant The pebble yeah I told her she better get a rock or something Oh The pebble wasn't working I'm not Spell wasn't working Gibralta

Oh hey hey hey hey hey I'm sorry Brugle lines won't let me insult them Yeah when she's not looking though I'd sneak and get the unsinted Hell yeah Bada bode bodebon It's a long day

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yourself from criminals, start listening to scam goddess on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is really been a check to get interview. Like, I was about to say, do you guys feel as though we're respecting your history? I feel like this is such. Oh, no. There is so, we got so. No, no, this is the best one ever. No, this is the best. It's just whatever. It is. I'm happy.

This is the best one ever. What you're going to say? Say it again. This is the best one. Now I'm thinking about questions I didn't ask, which is. We got time. How did, no, we'll let you go. We got time.

Take it time. Hey, Jimmy Jam times. All right. Take it time. We got time. Now we're going to go for his record. How did the suggestion of Nellie and Jazzy be remixing get a lot? have to be Merlin Bob.

They have to be Merlin, right? Merlin Bob. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Because Merlin was spending a lot, so he knew these guys. Yeah, he said Jazzy B, but, you know, and of course, it was Nelly Hooper who did the real work. Well, that's, I mean, that's always the case. Like, there's, we know someone sells the product and someone does the work.

Yeah, yeah. Jimmy, it was, no, not Jimmy. What's that? Jelly Bean. Jell bean? Jellibbean, but he tests? Jelly bean, he had fake people. I mean, a lot of people did stuff here.

Yeah, you just. You're leasing the name. He was kind of brilliant, though. You're leasing the name recognizableability. That's all good. And the thing is, the interesting thing about that is

there's a lot of people thought we were from London. I just had to correct somebody on Facebook yesterday. I absolutely thought you guys were from London. Yeah, I was one of those people. I love British soul. I'm like, yeah, here's the thing.

We're from Brooklyn. At the time, you know, looking at the album cover, we didn't look like we were from. No. No, y'all definitely looked like you were a whole thing. I thought you were part of like the young disciples.

The whole thing was, yeah, right, right. The whole thing was, yeah, yeah. It wasn't, and it wasn't an on-purpose thing. I just think it was just from a headspace. It literally came out in 89, at first, the end of 89, 90, Ghetto Heaven. And it was just, not that we were conscious of it, but it was just, we were moving forward, and whatever was happening there, we just knew that. Yeah, because we were, we were doing some different on, well, on the label.

I mean, we made a conscious decision when we were doing the video, for ghetto having to have some dark women with big butts and locks. That was a conscious decision. Everybody's walking around with jubby curls. I mean, we said, no, we want specific things in this video that people need to see. There's another thing I want to bring up. The amount of underhanded kind of not subversive, but. sneaky snark

and the lyrical content of your record now you see where it's Which album is. Which album you're talking about? No, all over. And the thing is is that did you guys ever worry about any particular blowback from

Never gave a shit? Oh my God. When we did Moon and Scorpio that was we just did not give a fuck after that because we didn't we weren't even letting the record company here shit when we were doing it because at that point we was like

okay y'all ain't promoting us anywhere we're gonna do what we want to do so that I wanted to ask did you guys even like were you testing the label like oh we could just talk shit about whoever and we weren't testing them we didn't give a fuck I just think that yeah what the thing is this I think

we snuck up on in a way and that was I don't even go know if it was conscious it's hard to know at this point but is that it started out just to be a producer's album but we knew we wanted be a band. Right. And so there was a hint of that on chain, but by time, like Jeff said, we got the moon of Scorpio, it was like, this is what it is. And as long as, you know, as long as you really know that you're telling the truth, then people can say, why'd you,

all I can say to you is, why did you tell that truth, you know, you know, so. It's true. You know, so we were just, you know, and Plantation Radio, like, for example, on that album, that was just, you know, we realized that, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, your band can be dope, this person can be dope. If you're black, you're doing something alternative. You need your Christopher Columbus to discover you. And so you can be on and be put on the seat. These look cool, you know, so we just,

there's a whole lot of facade to that whole thing, as you know, you've lived it, you've been doing it so. Right. We were talking about Sandra going solo. So I thought it would be a good time to talk about the album that you guys did without her. Connected. Connected.

With Jackie. Jackie. Jackie. I forgot about Jackie McGee. Yeah. Jack McGee. Yeah. Yeah.

I understand that didn't exactly work. out too well? Musical, it was nice. Yeah, musically, it worked out well. Because sometimes when I see something on YouTube to be like, they didn't even like the singer. That wasn't true. We love Jack. We actually had a really good relationship with her.

I think the only issue was maybe her concept of what of the rock thing or whatever that in her mind was at the time. Maybe it wasn't so much as naturally internalized as it was with Sandra. but um so and it almost like it was kind of put together in a way that was kind of quick so maybe there was enough time to build so much the natural rapport we having them but yeah i was going to say

that like what i'm witnessing here is like some harlum glocharders yeah look down on her hand yeah yeah chemistry here that you would have to actually build did you guys know jackie from before was no yeah we didn't we did we was with you know someone said hey grab the make it last forever girl I didn't even realize that she had done that. I mean, she kind of kept talking about it a lot. I swear to God. You and DeAngelo got to meet each other. Yeah, because I was like, I was like totally oblivious to what she had done before.

And I, you know. Yeah. So you missed her album on MCA. So it was just matter. It made me a musical chemistry thing. Wait. Wait, did I miss another classic? I'm just sorry

Schizo was the wrong record for Jackie McGeeze. Skeezer. Oh my God. Skeezer. What were they thinking? You know what? Oh, yeah, right, right, right. I now know I want, you know, like, it's my dream for you and Fonte

to at least have like a minute review thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I want, this is Sandra, to join this because her eye, the level of her eyes on the shaking of the head and the eyes Okay. Okay. He's all the got to say up.

I see. All right, back to Jackie. Yeah. The connected album. Yeah, so it was just really that, but we didn't have any really bad time of energy. Not at all. Not at all.

I mean, it was just, I would just sum it up as like we just said, the natural rapport. And like, what, Mia said, it was just like, this is like, it's like basketball. You play with certain players. It's just a natural more fit. So it was more of that, but there was no.

Okay. Because you know we would say it. We've said everything else. So at this point, so we would say it. Oh, Jackie, she was on some bullshit. No, we love Jackie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got another record I want to ask about.

Goodfellas, sugar honey ice tea. Come on. I love that damn song. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, wait a minute. Didn't Lenny Kravitz kind of come out with a record like after that? I'm not sure if it was after. It was Lenny Krabitz.

I remember because I was saying, wow, that sounds like sugar honey iced tea. Well, was that first? I'm not sure. I'm not sure what was it record? It ain't over until it's over? It's like Canada, same. Yeah, but Sugar Honey Icee was a few years after that.

Yeah, my, we might, but. So did we steal from him? No, they took him from Earth, one, and fire, so. No, we both stole from Al Green, so that's what that's, that's what that was about, really. It was, it was more like, it was, because there's certain periods that, and that I think, I know at least. What year was that? That was, 96, 97, I think.

Yeah. 96, 97. Kind of flash back to, like, there's a certain period where, I'm sure this happens to, you know, to him is that, you know, you lock into a certain artist that you always chuck out, you checked out, like, for a certain period time, I always grew up in the love with, like, Stevie and Hendrix and a whole lot of different people, and the Beatles. I have to bring that up to that, because a lot of that stuff influences a lot of our stuff, too. but but there was and even though I was into him in the 70s I kind of rediscovered him and that was Curtis

Mayfield there was a period of time where I was like oh and I just heard some yeah stuff like you know you know so there was things in there there's a song that we did on Tamia called poetry

which they should have put out as a single but a poetry that was totally coming from Curtis Mayfield kind of standpoint, like the beginning of it is, it's like the grass that grows between the cracks of ghetto streets relentless and spying.

There's another Joshua Nile, right? That was another Joshua Nile, that motherfucker, that hip-hop kid from Brooklyn. Yeah. How old is Joshua now? Now and now. He's a retirement home. He's about 23.

He's 23. He's born and leap yet every 29. Exactly. He's about like, wait. Now, I've read several interviews

of comments about you working with Curtis and how your experience was I read it and it was very positive another fellow Dallas artist that we mentioned before Elhead Rappo

The thing was and this is early in our relationship so it's like the first year I knew her and man she gave me the complete opposite of what it was like to work with Curtis.

When did she actually work with him? Curtis produced a song for her on Eve's Bayou soundtrack. What is that? Yeah, I know that. 1997, I think this is like, this might be the last nine months of his life.

It's shortly before, New World Order was quasi-apossimuth. Well, that's the last album he recorded. Shut up, Steve. Why are you judging me? I'm just here to monitor shit for white people

and report back to that. I said I was going to chat with the word posthum. That's a hard word though. He's the guy that he's the guy that once a president gets into office, he's the one that writes that binding

puts it on the, when the president walks into the office and said, okay, this is how shit's really gonna go. You know, you got, you had your policies, but this is how shit really gonna go.

That is Steve. That's Steve. Oh, good, good, good. That's you. Now we know. Anyway, yeah, but I was like, you know, I was like, yo, you're working for Curtis Mayfield.

What was that like? What was it like? What was it like? And he was like, he made me cry in beer. And take after take after take, and just beat down on confidence and, you know, you sing a

Marble. Yeah, like, so. What was it like working with him? Was it hard working? Not at all. Was he a taskmaster? No, man. Redo the line. She is saying it.

No, dude was like, dude, I mean. Hey, we worked with artists like that. No, I mean, but Curtis, Curtis, he, the thing was with this, was the duet. It's a duet on New World Order, right? Mm-hmm. And, um, called I believe in you.

They basically, this is, they wanted him to, to have a duet with somebody from old school and somebody from new school. So the old school, he had like Mavis and Aretha. He did duets with them on the record, the features with them on the record. And so they gave him three choices for the new school.

So Curtis chose me out of Erica and Angie. The dude, I mean, I literally did like two takes, you know? It was over. He was like, done. And then he was like, and after that, you know, we were close up until almost, you know, the time he couldn't talk anymore, you know. He would call me. I would call him. He would support me.

He would like build me up. He would, you know, and I was, he would, he was like the sweetest. I mean, this guy. Curtis didn't believe in body. You know, he just wasn't a fan because the dude was real, man. He was so beautiful. He was a beautiful cat, man. So I don't know what she talked about.

No, no, I'm glad you restored my favor in him. Yes, she's a beautiful dude. I don't know what she was going through, but he said Erica was saying, you know, Curtis wasn't. Yeah, but he didn't get me no shade whatsoever. Jeff just got here. Whatsoever. I love him. I never want this night to end, man.

Okay, let me tell you. Okay, please, please, please. And then I'll tell you to Rick James story. Okay, no, wait. Oh, oh, oh. We went for Rick James. I'm ready. Give me a Rick James.

Just give me a random story. Rick James. Oh, no. It's popcorn time with course love. Alphabetical order. No. Bitch got stories. I got stories, yo.

Y'all are so family. I started writing a book and I was like, I can't write this book. I'll be spilling too much tea, man. I can't spill it. Yeah, don't drink no wine. I can't write. Drink wine and it's over. Everybody's tea is getting spills.

Damn, this should be the Christmas episode. I know. Yeah, do y'all drink? What? Oh, we shouldn't invite your back for our holiday episode. We get fucked up and then we just, yes. And then you live in the Netherlands. I'm here enough.

I'm here enough. So I'm just, you're drinks for us. That was what I was asking. I was saying y'all from the Netherlands, so I assume that we can do what we do here. Oh, honey, honey. She goes to coffee shops.

You must have, you have to do what you do. Okay. I'm not the greenhouse and the cup of cafes. Come on. Come on the bulldog. And I'll love me, help me. I'm scared. She's been the damn queen.

I'm just in the CB. the oils now. That's all. That's all. Just oils for my muscles. It's just for my muscles nowadays. I wish Fonte was here. Okay, sorry.

What was I talking about? Rick James. Now, this is a very early career story. This is before the solo career. This is when I was singing back when I was Shaka for years. Oh, I got Shaka cat. Oh, we don't do that. No, that's my boobo.

That's my boobled. That's my boobled. When I was, you know, I used to live with Shaka, you know. In Germany? No, no. No. in New York, uptown.

the West Side. So we hang out time and, you know, do what we do. And we went to Buffalo to hang out with it. We? You in shock? Me in shock. Oh, my God. I don't think I like for the story going.

Is Rod Jeremy coming to this story? Am I going to need a lawyer for this? Ladies and gentlemen, do you know, do you know, know the visual of Eddie? Do you know the visual of Eddie Murphy and Boomerang holding the sheet over in his right now? Is that you? Yeah. Okay. Well, you can always edit. I know that's right. So what Rick do? Go ahead. You went to Rick's house and it would have happened on you. So we had went to Rick's house. Okay. And we was like getting high. All right. So we need some music. And then what so, so Rick had like a bevy of babes like, you know, scantily clad all over the house.

And, you know, and it was really all of... In Buffalo? In Buffalo? I mean, it was just, who are these bitch? I was young to. Who are these bitches? Who are these bitches? Because I was like, what are they doing here?

I was like 19. I mean, it was ridiculous. And I was just in this house and, you know, shock was just taking me around and where, you know, I was a girl, right? So, and, and so I guess Rick was sick of all the other, all the girls trying to get hits from him. So he took me and Schock in the bathroom. right so we were in rick's bedroom in the bathroom here we go so

I'm ready okay so this is like street songs throwing down era Rick shit what year is this 19 all right so she did that song Shaka did that song with Rick in 82 slow dancing 83 that's yes thank you that's the year was 83 did she go up there to least work on slow dancing

no sir no sir your studio was up there We went up there because it was free drugs. Listen. Listen to what she said. Close. You know how much free drugs in here?

Oh. He was Rick James, damn it. Rich James, bitch. You know how much free drugs he had, sons? Free. Drugs. Plenty. I saw a tales from the tour boats and saw where the cops were bringing stuff over.

Come on. Y'all know unsung. He was not. They think on me, like. Don't get me started on the song. Okay. They're going to be like Bitch, what was you saying?

I was like, come on, I just told one story. So I might call her after this. Shock is been on the show. Yes, Josh has been here. She might hear about it. I'll call her like to be like, listen, I told her Rick James story. I'll just give her a heads up. My bitch, what's wrong with you?

Why are you telling her what's story? So Rick brought us in the bathroom and in his bedroom's bathroom. You know, it was beautiful. Big mirror running around. The bed was black lacquer. Yeah. Black marble? It was black like marble and white tiles.

So he had all this stuff laid out on the like counter between the sinks. And it was like, you know, and I was in the middle. It's right here. And Rick's there. And they were like, you know, preparing all the things. And, you know, it's done. They will pass it back and forth. Y'all don't need to see what's going on.

I'm just, I'm visualizing what was going on. And so, so as they're passing, you know, the thing we're doing. And so I said, so Rick, Rick keeps like, Rick, he keeps like getting closer and closer, like, from his mouth to, you know, my mouth. He just keeps you closer. And so, and so I'm like, you know, I take the head. All right, fine. But then it was like, so, and then I, but I'm looking in the mirror and I'm seeing Yvette, like, you know, her eyes getting, like,'s narrow. So, and I'm like, oh, this is getting awkward, right.

So at one point she just basically says, you know what? This my bitch. Oh, oh, I saw it because I was not, wait, hold on. Because I was thinking that, oh, but you, she meant, oh, and then get to that. You know what? He's like, this is my bitch. He's like, well, she in my house, she's my bitch. I was like, whoa, wait a minute.

First of all, I ain't nobody, bitch. And the... We're calling to me here because of that word. And they're in the fight. Please tell... Jimmy. You know, please tell Jimmy. Jimmy.

Oh, God. I'm sorry, dog. You're not even in the top 10 of the world. And he ain't never coming home. I'm sorry, Jimmy. I love you, man. You'll be my top 25. Top 25

Okay Like Asandra just You took your Number one Song spot right now I'm sorry I'm sorry

I'm sorry Okay Just letting you know I'm still the number one male Yes Hey We got a song about that too On our next album

I gotta go bye We got a song about that On our next album too Can I Join the family stand? Yes. Absolutely. And I thought Johnny Gill gave it up.

Jesus Christ. I started on Johnny Gill. Oh, no. We can't burn. Like, look. We are real, Steve, save us. I have only here to monitor shit for white people.

No, we support that to them. That's it. That's your job, right? That's it. Steve. Thanks, Steve. Brilliant. Literally, that's all the...

Okay. Okay, well, let's bring some white people into the story. Oh, white people. We like... Okay. Daryl Hall. Oh, boom, boom, there you go.

Down Hall. Yeah. Darryl is great. I mean, you know, this is going to be a boring story because it's a nice story. Thank you. We just got to balance it.

Yeah, we got to have some balance. I mean, you know, to grow up and hear somebody, you know, used to hear, you know, when you're in high school and stuff and then work with him. I mean, you realize, you know, he was just an excellent,

great songwriter, a special voice. You know, When thinking about singing, you know, it's the main thing that makes any artists or a singer great is just their tone and special tone. There might be people who can sing around this person or that person, but they have that special quality. Yeah, yeah. And he had a very special quality to his voice.

He definitely. That's Darrell Hall. Just a great song. So it was really kind of boring and nice. No cocaine bed, three sims or, you know. No, that was like a clean shower. Yeah, animals. I loved, I'm in a Philly mood.

Oh, yeah. In fact, that's like, it's one of the songs that randomly pops in my head just, Like, you know, I might be just walking down the street and I'll just hear, oh, you know, in my head. Like, they, I'm a Philadelphia and they played that a lot. D. They ever placed the Philadelphia get to know us. I was about to say the double Dutch bus. Don't you mean.

No, the Paddy LaBelle's theme. Like, they, Philly mood, like, was like our. They tried to make that the, uh. The anthem of Philly. Yeah. There is a question I have. All right. Because.

Of course, I cheated. And, well, I know about the song that you did for Ronnie Drayton's son. Oh, yes, story. And being as though, Ronnie just recently passed away, do you have any, like, I know that when he passed away, like, I know that when he passed away, like a lot of the music, New York music community, like, felt that deep in the souls. Like, did you guys work with him at all or, like, have any relationship with 24-7 spies or any of those? No, he was on, he was our guitar player.

That I didn't know. He played on. He did the whole morning Scorpio record. Yeah, he did the solo on the education of Jamie. Yeah, that's him. So he tore with a... I'm going to describe what, because the thing, I've heard so many in passing.

I met, he's coming to the show a few times to visit whatever, and it's always like, hey, what's up, how you doing? But I never, really got to know him as a person or that sort of thing. And I know that was a hurt piece for New York City. He was in our band. Because I knew Ronnie Drayton from back in the day when, you know,

Mick Murphy and a friend Lala, you know Lala, the Farras Cope. She was a writer. Lala that worked with full force as well, right? No, no, no, not that. She wrote you good. Yeah, she wrote you good. Yeah, she worked with full force.

We all came up together. So me and Ronnie, we knew each other from back then. Mike Murphy with the system. We all, Mike Murphy got me my first electric guitar. You know, yeah, he got me the one, the white one that I took on our first store. Let me say. Wait, can I ask a question? All right.

Have you worked with the system at all, Mike Murphy? A little bit. Yeah. I know I'm going to get a no, but I have to ask this question. That's not your saxophone on soul glue, is it? On what? Coming to America? No, no, no.

Okay. I don't think so. No, because that's the system. You know something? I did so many sax solo. Oh, that's not, that's not. Yes. That's, no, no.

So. I don't even remember. It might be. I don't know. Mike Murphy. Not David. He's singing? Yes.

I didn't know that. Yes, that's him singing. So, some good publishing checks for you not to know that. You know, I just one of quick thing about, Mike Murphy, Mike Murphy is, I just wanted to say this, and we worked a little bit, but he's one of the two most underrated singers. To me, Mike Murphy sings his ass off, and, you know, he's a friend, you know, but he's so dope, I mean, he's his singer, he's just a great, great singer.

Bernard Fowler, too. They all came up, all them guys, you know, in the same crew, because they're part of that whole Jamaica funk. Speaking of Ronnie Drayton, Bernard sang at the funeral. He Bernard Fowler. You know, Brown and Fowler? At the view of funeral. You know, better not follow.

He sings back on the Rolling Stones. Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's saying at the Arna's service, as did I and Jeff played. Matter of fact, what's her name just passed too? Tony. Tony Smith. Yeah, two funerals.

Day after, went to one film and one way next to Jamaica Queens. Well, besides singing in Funkerva, Jamaica, like what else did she? She did a solo record that, you know, didn't do that great because it, you know, people, you know, if you heard fun it for Jamaica, and the next one she did was Shaka. I was eight years old when it came out. Everybody did. Yeah, we did. Okay. Shaka was like, is that me? Is that me? I mean? Seriously, she was like, because she forgot

she did. So she was like that. Wait, my funny Shaka story was when she was on the show and I was trying to ask her about Penny Fort, singing her atlives and snaps the power and she tells me the story that

it was Shaka that was actually supposed to sing the power and she was just like I can't today take my gig for me Oh yeah That's words That's uh She taught us about her squad

Because Besta was in there you It was like a few people that was in her squad Just in case she didn't feel like doing Some records Yeah can I tell you Do you know the true story behind Since you already borrowed her name Do you know the true story behind?

Congratulations Did we ever reveal this? What do you mean? Do you know the story behind it? I don't know what you mean. Do you know that song's dedicated to? Allegedly. Nah.

Wait, give it. Ooh, give it. Wait, tell me, didn't they verify it when they came on the show? Oh, I feel like we had this conversation. We've had too many conversations on the show. Didn't they verify it? I don't remember. Wait, who is?

If you say it, I know, I could do it. Who is it? You ready? Yeah. Bruce Willis. Why? No, we never talked about that. Why?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So, check, he got married anymore. It was like, congratulations. They were congratulating. No, but let's see the other women. So, wait, wait, Bruce Willis. You see what I'm saying? Here's the situation.

Come on. I don't see you happy. Listen, listen, I'm going to make it make sense. I'm going to make it make sense. In two minutes. I'm going to make it make sense. All right, all right, all right. I dare you.

Okay. Now, here's the deal. Donald Johnson and Bruce Willis. Rolling tight in Hollywood. And they had a specific preference. of the type of women that they like to get with of the darker hue. Now, if you remember in that the return of Bruno was the name of his first album. His Motown record, yeah.

Yeah, his, his mootown. And the first single, the first single was a duet, respect yourself with the, the Pointer Sisters. If you remember him in June, sang duet together. now Anita or not Anita Bonnie kind of revealed this on the Pointer Sisters episode Oh that's right

That that The reason how that duet came to be is because they was in messing with each other And Like Vesta was rolling tight with the Pointer Sisters kind of as their Background singer slash Friend or whatever

And so Kind of it's like a double date situation Like Don Johnson Bruce Will and Vesta got with Bruce. I think Vesta was Bruce was first messing with Bruce?

It's the most gossiping we've ever done and won this show at the same damn time. No, that George Johnson interview is pretty gossipy. Oh, you better listen, son. Oh, she better listen. In your fast! That's one of my favorite episodes too.

Listen. And so, long story short, like, you know, they had a thing going. Maybe he was on the low Or whatever Right? It was on the low

And then You know Vesta Vesta and Bruce Willis And yeah It's well known Because you need to I'm trying to sacrifice

It's kind of well known In circles That congratulations The song is about Bruce Wills I want if Demi know that She can't sing Who Demi know I doubt Demi even care

At this point Who? She's like I was married to who? I don't know. Oh, right, right, right. I remember her right. Who's that guy? Wait, did I just kill the show?

No, no, no, no. That was an interesting rabbit hole, but somebody wanted to know, and I know. I'm sorry. Well, wait, you mentioned Vest's name, and I had to get that out. I felt like I had to add something to the teapot. You ain't topping Sondra, but that was a nice try. I was taking and not giving, so. The music you love.

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Did the Tana Gartner. I played on all that stuff because those guys are my boys. So, you know. Really? Where was that studio recorded at? Oh, my God. When was that studio? I can't even remember.

Because we did a funky sensation there, which is to me is one of the funkiest songs ever. Your own funky sensation. Yeah. All that stuff. What are you playing on that? Playing horn. Okay. I'm playing on.

I actually did a solo on there that they didn't use, but I played in the horn section because me, Raymond Reed, Tyrone Cox, and Mike, cousin L.A. Blacksmith, we part of the horn section, and we used to do horn, you know, horns for them all the time. Who's the rhythm section of that? And this is the same people that did heartbeat as well? Or at least no frills and. He was using a bunch of different people at the time. I can't remember exactly the whole rhythm section.

But I played guitar on some of that stuff too. Because, you know, they were using, they were kind of utilizing me to play a lot of instruments. Because you can. Yeah, my friend, Bert Reed and Raymond Reed, who were in Crown Heights Affair. Yes. Yeah, those are my guys, you know.

And I was, I just remember going in the studio with them I was playing drums, guitar, bass, keyboard. We're doing a cover of Far Out, by the way, on our next album. Yeah, yeah. Far Out is one of my favorite songs of all times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that video you posted on Instagram like five years ago of the little clip, and then we haven't heard a bit of it that since.

Hey, man, because the hits keep on coming, because it's been taking forever for y'all to finish that damn album. No, it's just, you know, better songs keep going. That's a good answer, Ramirez. Actually, here's another tidbit. Did you know Ajax, the trumpet player that played in Crown Heights? I don't know of them. Well, you know, he was the trumpet player.

He's the one that actually got me, introduced me to Keith Diamond, and got me on the Billy Ocean record. Because we came up together, and Billy was hanging with him, and he said he was looking for a sax player to play on the new Billy Ocean records. He was like working for Jive Records, and Ajax said, I know this guy I play with and we grew up together, Jeff, he's a bad dude. And that's how I got that gig.

Just real quick, since you mentioned Billy Ocean, have you ever run into Danny DeVito? No. Oh, the video! I asked because Jeff also played the solo on Billy Ocean when the going gets tough. And in the video, Danny DeVito does the sax solo. Yeah, I did the sax solo on all the songs that was a hit that I did. did the sax all on all of those.

When the going gets tough, what was the other one? Get out of my dreams. Which Pete loved, his Pete's favorite bill. Get in the backseat, baby. It was. Sorry. I know Pete hated that song. That's you.

Who me? Yeah, that's the stupidest song. Who me? That's you. Hey, you. Oh, yeah, that was, you know, in retrospect, but it hit. So, it was a hit. I mean, let's talk about some more songs that you've been on that people know.

Yeah, I probably didn't know that you were there. Like, Debbie Gibson's Only in My Dream. Yeah, yeah, played. Foolish beat. It's really, did I only do this confession? That I wish that I was Debbie Guesman's joke. What? No.

Her drummer? Really? I'm so, wait, yo, Sondra just hit me with the Nick. I will just own you. You ain't like that song? That was the jam. Yo, Sondon, she was asleep for the last 25 minutes. She broke up.

Like, what did you say? Like he said Tiffany. Look, I was 14 at the time. And she was 15 at the time. I was like, oh, someone my age making music. And she was producing her own stuff, allegedly. Yeah. Shout out to Debbie Gibson.

Did you know Arthur Baker? Yes, I did. That's how I met, because living color of my guys, too. Vernon Reed. Brenner used to come to my house every day to do demos because he lived down the street. He did Corey's solo record too, on the face. You got Corey's solo record on the face, too. Yeah, we produced Corey's record.

So you honorary black rock? Oh, yeah. We are black rock coalition people. Okay, can you explain to me what, I knew the myth of it. I saw the logo everywhere. Like, was it meetings every Tuesday? Was it donuts and ice cream? We never went to anything.

We never went to a meeting. I'm a many musicians affiliates like, yeah, I'm a BRC member. Yeah, I went to a few of the early meetings. It's like Greg, that was Greg Tate, Vernon Reed. And condomason. They started it. They started it. But, you know, I mean, the whole, because Black Rock is such a small microcosm of, you know,

yeah, so all these bands, we work and support each other, you know, and back certainly in the 90s when it was really thick, right? You know what I mean? When you say support each other, that, to me, sounds like a nightmare of a guest list. Yo, you've got 50, 60 people on a guest list. I know, like, and club owners weren't having that in New York. Yeah, so we tell people. We tell people now, it's no guess list, don't even think about it.

Oh, wow. So it's like, you know, because otherwise, everybody, you know, everybody's family. So you can't have, you know, all your extended family at, you know, filling up the being the bodies in the paying seats. Yeah, we try to sell out. So was it just an idea of myth that or folklore that 14-year-old me ran away with? Like, one day I'm going to get in the PRC. No, because, I mean, well, it's basically just sending a,

an email and sending your music and saying this and if it was actually black rock you could have just been an official paying you know dues. Oh yeah to pay dues to get inside it. Right? But then but then

she was famous. We just kind of got in it but right but the like you you did then benefit from being abused that black rock coalition logo and get the black rock coalition support behind your gigs and it was a thing. It was a real thing.

It's definitely, and it still is a real thing. Black Rock Coalition is producing our, you know, shows that we're doing, you know, coming up. So, I mean, it is a very real thing today. Oh, no doubt. Oh, absolutely. I got to admit, like, when I first heard of it and it was like, oh, you got to send your dues in and a lot of stuff. I thought it was like the Oval Teen Orphan Annie, the Coater Ring thing. Yo, the thing, the cool, they did some cool shit.

I mean, this did this. We were part of, it was called the History of Our Future. and it was at the Met. At the Met in September. It was crazy. It was packed, you know what I mean? It's like, so. An hour version of, it was like a couple hours from like, you know, from.

Was Magget Brain covered? They didn't even get to that. No. It was, I don't know how he was going to try to do all this in 100. And what was it supposed to be an hour and 40 minutes? Yeah, we almost didn't get to play. Yo, Toshi Masey Mesa. Toshi Baking.

She was our hero that night. It went from like, my mom. Rae Rainey. Well, actually it started with a drum circle and then like slaves, early slaves. I mean, it went all the way through. Y'all went through the history of music. Yeah. Yeah.

From the drums to Ma Rainey to trap music. We didn't quite make it a trap. You actually stopped in 19. We actually stopped in the family stand and live in color. That was the end of the show. And that's the future. That was the future. Is Corey still climbing the walls?

We did a show with him once and climbed the scaffold. She's duck. Duck when you're on stage with him. He's awesome. Duck when you're on stage with him. I don't know if he's still climbing scaffolding. Okay. He's taking his doing on next album with Soundera.

When can we expect that next album? It'll be out by the summer. I'm pretty sure. Well, let me not say that. Let me say end of this year. You'll sound like the roots. Yeah, I'll see 20 years later. Chinese democracy,

Two. Part two. No, you mean the follow-up, the voodoo part two. Oh. I got a strange phone call the other night. I followed the voodoo. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Don't do that. Why? Someone's listening to this. It's just going to take, you know, for another 40- No. Don't get us excited. Don't get people excited.

I don't want this night to ever end. Yeah. Just get. I don't even, we didn't even really scratch the surface. No. We didn't even dip the tip. We didn't even dip. Wait, wait, what you talked about over there?

Yes, all right. We'll just go one at a time and then we got to wrap this episode up. This is officially a double episode. No doubt. You're evil. You have a specific question? Well, I was going to say, Peter. Any last words?

For this episode, not. Yeah, nothing in the life. This has been a really pleasure and joy to sit down. you know, talk with you guys and and we are doing a new album and it started out it started out with this, that gig to BRC last

September at the Met and ended up like, oh, well maybe we should do a couple of songs and maybe we'll just do an EP and now it's turned into songs in the key of Lifetime's four. And now songs the key in the afterlife. So, but we're working on it now and it's

just cool and special stuff but it really was out of more of active love than necessarily, you know, we're putting the band back together and we're going to get our wheelchairs out and we're going to show these young boys that it'd be funky, you know. I see no wheelchairs or tennis ball walkers. I see none of that in your future. You guys seem just as healthier than me right now.

And you fly as fuck. I said that when I walked in, I was like, are y'all going to wear a shoot or photo shoot or something? We've seen y'all. That's good enough. The hat, I mean, everybody got something going on. It's special. I just wanted to say that.

V. Jeffers. Pete said we really appreciate the love. And this is our first interview since we kind of got back. And as far as I'm concerned, it's the best interview. As far as I can remember that we've done. And I just love it. I'm just having to have a had a ball tonight. I don't really want it to end, but, you know.

Me neither. We ain't got no liquor, though. You know, I got to go. Oh, wow, it was nice being here. Sandra St. We really appreciate this. I mean, listen, I mean, they kind of covered territory. He talked about the album.

Yes. And he talked about the vibe and what we're doing and where we come from. And it's been a blast mixing it up with y'all. Y'all are a regular riot, man. So it's like, you know, to be able to usually get folks to just ask you, just questions about so what is God of Heaven? What is going to have to mean? What does that mean? And then and

that's pretty much the crux of the interview. This was like just a deep dive into all sorts of the cracks and cleveries. We are music deweeps. We are music to webs. It's our commercial bill right here. So are we you know what I mean? We're like total music head. So I mean in music business and you know and so you mix the experiences

with the The nerdism, this is what we got right now. This is a beautiful thing, man. We thank you. We think you. Wait, I can't let go. Can you just give us one more story? I thought we was going back to the piano.

About who? About who? Well, you know she. Pick somebody. Oh, we had to roll one time and we were, I said, what were out with chili peppers? The chili peppers. I got it, I got it, I got it. I got it.

I got it. I got it. I got it. I want you three to. collectively decide. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

All right. I'm going to start with the bright spot. Okay. What artist can you collectively agree was a joy to experience working with?

Either riding with them. Aye. It's easy. It's easy for me. Oh, you mean? Together? Or, I mean... Okay.

We'll do three. Give us to you three, but one each. Well, you said Stevie All you said Stevie. Yeah, I mean, yeah. But no, okay, yes. With family stand, Stevie for sure,

because I got to give him a note and he took it, which is like, ah, I told Stevie what was something to do and he did it. It's so amazing. He asked me to do something over and I said, you said, is that all right?

Right? It's like, he was so humble and beautiful. No, do it again. And it was dope too. I was like, you know. I was tongue-tile, like, it's the one that I loved, you know what I'm saying? As a kid, that I don't know. Literally.

What year was this? This was 91 or 91. Oh, man. We were working on Paul Abdul's. Yeah, he did a, you know, the solo on Where You Marry Me. Right. So, I mean, it's just. I remember.

Speaking of Rick James, there's a hilarious story. Do you know about, uh, someone did an interview? Either it's Roy Ayers or Steve Farone. where Mr. Policeman, the last song that ends Side One in Street songs, how Rick was just abusive to Stevie, like, motherfucker, play that shit like I'm, no, no, no, no, no. Rick James? Yeah.

It's in Wax Poetics, that much I know. Because I never paid it to Jen and a policeman. Fucked it. But someone has that a hilarious. I think Roy Ayers tells the story. He was serious, too? Roy Ayers came in to do his solo at the end of Fire and Desire and tells the story of coming in at the tail end of the studio

while Stevie was trying to nail his harmonica solo for Mr. Policeman and how Rick was just berating him like, horrible, do it again. And like Roy was wondering like, wait, is he going to be this way to me too with my solo? Like that sort of thing. Glad to hear that. I'm like, you know the song you're on of mine Dizzy?

Yes. That's like so many people's favorite freaking song of mine. Oh, yeah. Seriously. Yeah. Just, you take that. Take that couple of minutes. You take that.

You take that in Electric Lady? Electric Lady. Yeah, yeah. Yep. With Mark Batson on Keys and Royers, Donald Bird. And we record our connected. Thank you for putting. I mean, at the time, wasn't it?

The track was more bare. I didn't realize that bird. Yeah, Bird and Roy. Yeah, yeah. But I will tell you one more funny story. This is my last funny story. Okay. For this evening.

Okay. We can tell by your voice, go ahead. Yes, this is my end of the evening voice. So when I was on tour at Roy, we went in Africa. And we had to, you know, this is early, this is before Shaka, so we're talking early 80s. Gosh, I'm aging myself. But so, so we were. We, you know, I have those little portable cameras that you, you know,

that you take the whole camera and you turn it in and give you pictures. So we've been at the beach all day. And so we came back to the hotel and I got my room. And I don't rest off got my robe on. I'm like, okay, who's coming to this hour? And I opened a door and this roar. He said, you still got your camera? I'm like, yeah?

He said, go get me, get your camera, get your camera. Okay. So I go get my camera. Give it to him. Roy opens his trunks, snaps a picture of his thing, hands it back to me, and runs down that sounds just like him. Story I wanted in the beginning. Lord of mercy.

Ladies and gentlemen, Warriors is a member. The poo-poo-poo-n-na. All right. Poopoo Lala. Pupu Lala. Oh, I hated singing that song. Did you watch the show? I hate it singing that song, man.

Oh, you just brought that out randomly? Yeah, because Roy Harris, he has a Poo-Poo Lala song. He tells the story. We sitting on the grass. And we had to walk the whole audience. Does it sound familiar to you? Does it sound familiar to you? Yeah.

Does it sound familiar to you? Yeah. Oh, no, we literally, all right, we have a segment on the Tonight Show where we talk about songs that are funny, like, uh, do not play we

made fun of poo-poo-lala this week oh really oh my god it's rare that we make fun of an established artist with the song

but yeah we we has it aired yet yes it air less and half of the internet's like why all shit on poo-poo-lala because that song

I was like it's poo-poo-lawa I love when he does it though every time all right now wait the antidote yes

And you don't have to give the story Who would you not like to work with ever again Damn now I gotta end up on something more positive I can't end up Why are you looking at it? I don't know I can't think Who is a difficult person to What job was hard to

Pete can answer that Was it Desiree? No, she was good She was good Like I know what you're doing She's good Pete thought I was well Oh oh oh oh

It wasn't nothing like that. Oh, well. I just thought of somebody. But anyway, now, okay, let me, I know who. I was about that we're going to say. I know who.

I know who you're talking about. Oh, are we, okay. I know what you're talking about. But I refuse to put it on tape. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what. What song? Okay. Oh, I wasn't thinking of her.

Oh, my God. I forgot about her. Okay, I won't say artist, but what song or project was hard to complete? See, but then again, I don't know. Because the artist was difficult. I'm not giving reasons. I'm just saying that, you know,

I'm just trying to enter through the back door to not make it sound like you're shitting on a particular artist. You know something? What song took a while to? Who's the biggest douchebag ever? One that comes to mind to me, but she was a really, really nice person. But I remember me and Peter, because she was so meticulous about her vocals, about what she wanted, it's like every ass, everything she wanted punched.

You know what I'm talking about? Taylor? No. Not Taylor Day? No, Taylor was good. Taylor did. China Phillips. Oh, well, that wasn't difficult.

No, that was difficult, Pete. I don't remember. I remember because she wanted, I remember her doing vocals and wanted every little note. So perfect that. Yeah, I don't remember that. I mean, the one name that came up, and really, it was one of the first projects we did together, and I would take responsibility to say it was more me than her, was, was Mickey Howard. But that's because at the time,

Come Share My World era or... This was after her first record. Yeah, so it was before... We did a couple of songs on her first record. It was only because I... You know, you know, working for singers, you have to... Some of them, you have to give them those.

Some of them are just... They're really a vibe. They just got to let them sing all the way down, and not to tell them too much. Whitney was like. Yeah, so with Mickey, I think it was more of me just trying to kind of pinpoint it

too much for her. She was this type of singer that just let her go. You coached Whitney vocals? No Whitney. Mickey. No,

oh, you said Whitney was like that. Yeah, because I worked with Kashif. Kishif. Yeah. Oh, uh, thinking about you, you're on the first record. Well,

you get good love. No, I wasn't on that record, but I was in the studio. It's a matter of fact, I was in the studio when Lala played her the song. Oh, okay.

You know, so, but I knew she was the type of singer that you had to let her sing things down. I mean, she could punch things in, but it was better if you let her sing multiple tapes. And then you take what you want. Yeah, exactly. She was just that kind of singer.

If you kind of broke it up, she kind of broke the momentum of her feeling. And you can get in your head. You know? I only ask because, like, yeah, vocals are a nightmare for me. And I hate. What you mean, doing vocals?

Producing vocals? I think maybe I'm just, I'm trying to learn, I'm trying to learn to not be as, standoffish or whatever so I always have what I call a bad cop to you don't want to say things that you

yeah me and Pete suggested no me and Pete used to do that and you know I work with so it's just like I always have a bad cop on standby for vocals

I'm creating the music creating the song creating the music engineering dude I'll be a bad cop anytime trust and that's how we're going to end

Questlove Supreme ladies gentlemen You guys, thank you so much. This was an amazing night. Thank you. Thank you. On behalf of Team Supreme, Steve, you're still with us? Yeah, I love a question.

And let's stop. Let's show over. You really live at Neverland? You say, you are as-all. Show's over, ladies and gentlemen. It's so serious. It's good. All right, we are out.

Oh, my, damn. We have a sugar Steve, Lai,ia, and boss Bill, Foncigolo, and, and, hey, Bill. Can they replace Fongigolo and Bill permanently? Yes, totally. Let's all just, yeah, we, I'm going to join the family stand there. We're joining West Love Supreme. We will see you on the next go-round. Thank you. This is a very special, Questlove Supreme, on Iheart Radio.

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