The Questlove Show - Questlove and Christian McBride on ‘Norah Jones Is Playing Along’

Episode Date: January 4, 2026

Questlove and fellow Philadelphia music icon Christian McBride drop in on Norah Jones at her home studio to record an episode of her new podcast. Together they relive hilarious shared high school memories, break down the musical influences that shaped them, and perform inspired covers of D’Angelo, Pops Staples, Kris Kristofferson, and more. (Recorded 5/10/2023/Original airdate 9/11/2023.) Check out Norah's podcast 'Norah Jones Is Play Along' here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/norah-jones-is-playing-along/id1645438817See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe, on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wood. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot. But if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat.

Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Nora Jones. And today I'm playing along with Questlove and Christian McBride.

Twofer. I'm just playing along with you, with you. Hey, good people. What's up? How you doing? It's Questlove. And you're about to listen to an episode of my good friend, Nora Jones, on our podcast called Nora Jones is Playing Along.

This particular episode is with myself and one of my closest buddies in high school, not named Tariq Trotter, named Christopher McBride, who I basically call God, God of Base. We're going to go back and reminisce about all the times we've been sent to the principal's office for playing James Brown and other details like that in our high school days messing around before we became professional. So we do covers of DeAngelo, pop staples of the staples, Chris Christopherson, and a lot more. I hope you enjoy it. This is Nora Jones playing along with me and Christian McBride, all right? We actually recorded this episode in 2023, but we really wanted to replay it. It's a rerun. Yeah, but a really good one.

Yes. And we wanted to show it some extra love, both Christian and Question. have been keeping very busy with other projects they've worked on since we put our episode out, so we wanted to mention some of them. In 2025, Christian McBride released Without Further Adieu, Volume 1. He also dropped the single Old Folks with Samara Joy, and he announced his new ensemble called Ursa Major. And Questlove has also been equally busy.

He directed Sly Lives, which premiered at Sundance in 2025. He co-directed the 50 Years of S&L Music Special that aired in Gene. January of 2025. He's also directing the big Earth, Wind and Fire documentary coming out in 2006. He co-wrote the Rhythm of Time series with S.A. Cosby, which is a middle-grade sci-fi book series. The first book came out in 2023, but two more are coming out in 2026.

He's also involved in a posthumous DeAngelo album that was recently announced. We also covered a DeAngelo song in this episode called Betray My Heart, which was from the Black Messiah album that. came out in 2014. And Questlove was a collaborator on that album. So that's kind of why we covered this song. Plus, it's just an amazing song. So I hope you enjoy hearing this episode if you've never heard it.

And if you have, I think you're going to like it again. I said my man, he don't love me. He treats me also. He's the lowest man. That I have, patrimpants. The straps are really Yeah Strapes are really

In the grits and gravy Oh my God, that's so fun It's too early for that kind of soul It's before noon That's what I'm saying Well, if you wake up at seven If you wake up at seven usually Then it's more like three in the afternoon, right?

Well, I suppose Oh, thanks for doing that with me That was fun Are you kidding? I love that Billy Holiday song What a thrill. Is that old Billie Holiday song Or did she get it from somewhere else?

That's hers, right? That's hers. That's hers. God, I love Billy Holiday. Man, I haven't sung that song in a really long time. You could have fooled me. That's from the old days, you know? The old days of playing and singing in restaurants and just playing.

Well, see, that. Old jazz tunes. Those gigs, you know, back in the day when you were doing the, you know, hotel lobby or restaurant gig, whatever it is, you know, I always tell musicians. that's your share time. That's how you build, that's how you build your skills.

It's semi-paid practice. Totally what it is. Totally what it is. I mean, like, I used to play, I can't remember the name of it, but Benny Green and I used to have this kind of semi-regular gig

at some Chinese food restaurant over on the east side. And we would just share tunes. You know, nobody was really listening kind of sort of, you know, So we just call songs and I'll be learning the changes right there on the spot. That's the best. That's how you learn.

Yeah, I had a gig like that in Dallas. I wish it was Chinese food. That sounds really good actually right now. If I remember correctly, just like most jazz venues, we couldn't pick off the regular menu. Yeah. They had a musician's menu. I remember that. I had a gig in Midtown right around the corner here at that place, Sophia.

Did you ever work there? Yes. never worked there. But a lot of people did. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, he hired me because there were a lot of really great piano players that play there. But I think he liked my singing. And that guy was really nice, actually. I really liked him. But they did not let us order very nicely. Right, right, right. You go back to the kitchen and you could only have like a few things. And you had a set meal time. Right. Yeah. Exactly. That's right. And it was like a four and a half hour gig.

Oh, long gig. Long gig. I remember. When, when, well, when I first moved to town, most clubs were three sets a night. The Vanguard was 9, 11, and 1. Oh, it was three sets back then? Oh, yeah. Yeah, six nights a week. Radley's was 10, 12, and 2. That was hard because you had an hour break in between each of, all your momentum would be gone.

Yeah. And if you're having a drink, it's, or eating, it just makes you tired. Yeah, yeah. But I'll tell you what. So much, see, this is why when people began to know who you were, you were already, all your skills were totally strong already. I'm serious. You weren't starting from scratch. You've been out there working, hustling.

I kind of feel like I could use a weekly gig again, you know, like a weekly bar gig where the stakes are low and the fun is high, you know? Yeah, yeah. Just working it out. I'm sure you could find something. I love doing that. You know, that's what's great about living in a city. Right, right, right.

You can hide in a crowd. Exactly. Man, tell me about your base. This is many. Yeah? Yes. She's like you, little but mighty. Did you bring her for me?

Because I'm short. No, no, this has been my main base since January of 96. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. So you have others that you use sometimes, but this is your main. This is my girl. Main squeeze.

I had a, I had a base that was, I used to think it was made by John Juzek, but a guy in Czechoslovak told me that John Juzek, that's a big name in the bass world. Oh, I know, because I dated a bass player. I'm sorry. For a long time. And I will never forget the bass saga of him getting a Juzek base. Yes. Well, I found out that John Juszek.

Zhek was not a bass maker. He was a base distributor. So it was all a lie. He was the middleman. It was all a lie. Yeah. So I went to Czechoslovakia to go kind of track him down. Really?

I want to learn about the Juszek family line. And I went to his bass shop in Prague. And it was so funny because the guy said it, he didn't really say these exact words, but I was reading in between the lines. He was like, oh, you dumb America. You think Jusek was the guy. He was not the guy. He was the distributor.

I was like, oh, oh, okay. So who was the guy? And then he gave me like a whole bunch of check names that I couldn't spell. You couldn't find him? Yeah, I couldn't find him. So there was more than one guy, basically. Oh, yeah. There were several guys.

Several guys. But do they work kind of in the same community of making bases? Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so I had a Jusek distributed base. from 1989 until British Airways destroyed it. Oh, no.

December of 95. Yeah, that's right. I'll never forgive you for that, you know. But, yeah, I had, my juice egg was crushed, fell out of the belly of the plane. You know, it's like a 30-foot drop, you know. From on the ground, but still that, yeah. I mean, I had a really good case, but, you know, I guess the, you know, it was so far drop. it just, it didn't make it.

That's a bummer. Yeah. And so David Gage, the guru. I know him too. I'm sure you know him too. I love him. He tried to fix it. He restored it.

He did everything he could, but it just didn't get that old sound back. Yeah. And so while I was waiting for him to fix it, he said, man, somebody just came in my shop with an old base. They want to get rid of it. You need to come check this out. And that was Minnie. That's it.

He called it. Yep. This is an old German base made in estimated in 1910. That's beautiful. Yeah, so she speaks. That's beautiful. Yeah, so Minnie, she's been there. That's great. I remember seeing on your, maybe your Instagram page once, and you took a picture of a flight attendant who was super sweet about your instrument.

I always try to shout out. I think you do that. Don't you? You shout out when they're really nice. Yes. Yeah. Do you shout out when they suck about it? No, I just go direct to, I just go direct to customer service.

Yeah. You know, I've discovered the, my friend Terry on Gully, his wife, she writes letters all the time. Oh, complaints. Yeah. Kind complaints, well-worded, thoughtful complaints. And she, and he used to tell me, he said, man, you know, those complaint letters go a long way. They do? Yeah.

Like, they really read them? I don't know if they do now, but. Yeah. You know, so fortunately, I have not had too many bad instances in quite some time. Yeah, it can be tough trying to go on a plane with a weird shaped instrument. Oh, man. They just don't know. They just don't understand sometimes.

It's hard for working musicians. I mean, I see flight attendants giving trouble to just like guitar players. You know, they got like a little soft gig bag. That's not going to fit an overhead. Of course it will. Yeah. So it's a tough gig on both ends, I think too. Well, absolutely.

You know, you got to have empathy. Exactly. You know, but sometimes people just stink about it. You know what I feel bad about. I go, I go to the airport. And before I check in, you try to read the friendliest face. Yeah. You know, so like I'll be standing in line and I'll see like three ticket agents and I see one about.

about to become open, but they don't look like they're a nice person. I'll turn to the person behind me, like, no, no, no, no, you go ahead. But you're next. No, go, go. They're not having a good day. I'm waiting for the nice person. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Did you start out on upright base? Nope. Started out on the electric. At what age? Because of my dad. Okay. Nine. I was nine.

He played bass? He still does. He still does. He's one of the workingest bass players in Philly. That's amazing. My dad, his name is Lee Smith, and he's working more now than he was when I was a kid. Ain't that right, Clyde. I got some good stories about you before you got here.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. She's starting. We didn't get to it yet. Stir in the pot. What's good, man? A win is a win. A win is a win.

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Woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with him one day. And I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah.

He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall, and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be.

Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar,

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Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. I'm going to get my address on and play traditional for the first time in, what, 30 years? Traditional. How so? I'll hold my stick this way. Ah. There you go.

That's great. That's some technical thing that I don't know about. You don't usually hold your stick. Yeah, exactly. All my idols play this way. Right, right. Wow, I haven't done this since I was 12. Really?

Yeah, yeah. The whole episode would be us. That's right. Good call. I texted with you both for about 10 minutes. So when, all right, watch me take the podcast over. Take it over. So when you two play, have you two played long?

enough where you're literally in a linear state of mind where you know the song and you are playing you. Because I just realized, I only realized who I am when I'm not in Roots World. Because when I'm in Roots World, I'm more like traffic cop. Yeah. But I noticed that when I'm in jam session, like literally in that song I referenced maybe 12 drummers from Bill Withers' drummer

Yeah, Gatson, James Gatson Between Gatson and you know, Clyde Jabbo I try to do Melvin but I couldn't bring myself to it. It might be too slow for Melbourne. Right. Right.

And so I'm literally going through See, the thing is Melbourne is reverse glide. So I do Funky Woman. So basically James and I, Chris and I, our connection, of course, is James Brown. And so with James's, I would say, top three drummers, Clyde Stubblefield has the probably the best ghost note left hand ever.

So a lot of his, like, slow down a little bit. So, like, he plays a snare like, like, old black church people, play the tambourine with a little, like, of course, the pace is this, but he'll add the, and Adrease Muhammad is also under this umbrella, where his left hand in the ghost note, and also, I would say Steve Ferone, formerly of the Heartbreakers and, of course, the average white band, who's probably a more nuanced Bernard Purdy. Like Bernard Purdy's trademark is horse. Yeah.

You know what I mean? So Steve Ferroni takes Clyde Sutherfield's left hand and takes Bernard Pertie's right hand. But also, Adrease Muhammad does that a lot. But with James Brown's other drummer, John Jabbo Starks, he's more of a foot guy. So I say John Jabbo starts, like he's more about the pulse.

So I'll say that even though we credit Clyde Stubblefield with being like James Brown's funkiest drummer, Clyde Stubblefield is more like boutique shopping, whereas Jabbo is more like common everyday meat and potatoes drumming. You know what I mean? Like he's more to swing. So that's, and he's also heavy on the one That's that's jab all day

So his emphasis is more on the foot Now the thing is Melvin Parker Play one Right, Melvin Parker never hits on the one So he hits everything but the one So he's more like Right So that one

That's missing That's his input So he's more a single-plated drummer You know what I mean But as always, my question to you is, when you're not playing your own material, do you morph into another musician? Or, like, I find out I'm more of a shapeshifter than I am.

Like, I don't think I've identified, I've identified myself as a shapesifter more than like, oh, that's a mirror playing. But you know when I'm playing. I think that's interesting, because I feel like I know when it's you. Well, I've made my presence known, but also it's also like my style of drumming is more like, like right now in the culinary world, there's a big giant worry that with words like kale and plant base that we're going to lose. I mean, you know, like this 2020 is the whole era of the fight between, you know, traditionalists, how it used to be.

and this is how I was raised versus the disruptors who are like, no, this is this is the new, this is how it's going to be. And there's, you know, I guess my stake in that claim is more about the musicianship. So, you know, I never wanted to be what they would call like a, you know, like a gospel drummer, gospel chops. So I always imagine that I'm the drummer that works at a. at a steel mill in Ohio or Milwaukee or whatever. You know, his wife lets him play with the guys at the local bar. But he's like real sloppy.

You know, like I could perfect it. But for me... Oh, you have. Yeah, I mean, see, the problem is when I'm doing it in terms of hip-hop, I also not only have to be the sample, but I have to also be the drum programming. So that's my big risk with this next route to record because I'm actually not going to play like a computer and I'm going to play. I'm trying to play like the sloppiest drunk four-year-old, like how I used to play when I was a kid without the

like minus that. But do you like for you, do you guys shape-shift as well? do you, are you just too preoccupied with the melody, whatever? Because when I'm drumming, it's so secondhand, like, it's like the back of my head where if I think about drumming, then I'm fucking up. So I'm thinking about like cereal. Yeah. And wait, don't leave my wallet too?

Like, I'm thinking of anything else but drumming. Really? Yeah, because when you start thinking about it, that's where. Yeah. I remember once at one of my dad's gigs when I was 11, um, We were doing on the wings of love. And I was 12 years... Yo, did you know Steve Rohn's drumming on that?

Yeah, yeah. I did not know that. So it's like one in the morning. I'm 12 years old. We're in a nightclub. And this is like out in some clubbing, like, Darby, like in the outskirts. And we're playing... You know, my dad's like, all right.

you know, you get on drums, the bar is empty. It's like the last set, so he let me sit in. And I did good. And then we got to On the Wings of Love. And we got through the first verse. And there's like, you know, the drunk guy at Moes Tavern on The Simpsons? Yes. He's looking at me.

He's the only one that's like, wait a minute, what's a 12-year-old kid doing in this nightclub at 2 in the morning on a school night? But he's real drunk, and he's like, hey, man. That drum is really good. And then I messed up that. So when I think about it, that's when it is problematic. But is it the same for you at all? I think thinking about it is always a problem. Feeling it is better.

But I'm always trying to be myself. Because also as a singer, it's more obvious when you're copying other people you love. So I just try to embody the lyrics in my own. own way, usually. And we were talking earlier about that the steady gig, all those steady gigs you played and, you know, hotel lobbies and things like that and restaurants and bars, that's where we all got our training, you know. Wait, did you ever pound a payment like?

I feel like you came out the wound. Alleged. Yeah, I know. Revision is history. But I am, I mean, I've always been too pragmatic because, like, as a bass player, my, My thing was do whatever you have to do to keep the gig. I was the best worried about, you know, individualism and trying to find, you know, what I'm, just don't get fired.

That was always my number one thing. Wait, you play in fight or flight? Well, I mean, there's two ways to live. You either go with fight or flight or you're going to live like, hey, what can I do to, you know, I never thought that you would ever have that thought like, I don't want to get fired. Absolutely. Have you ever gotten fired Christmas? I gotten close.

What? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't, you remember this well. You remember the no-amp days, the make-base great-again days when all of these young cats were coming on the scene not wanting to play with an amplifier. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you know, we were trying to muscle up. Bleeding fingers.

Yeah, exactly. Right, right. And what era was this? Oh, when I first moved to New York, 89, 90, 91. Well, an amp's just an extra thing to carry. What's that? And amps an extra thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So there was all these cats like, man, you know, real bass players don't use an amp. You got a muscle up, raise the strings, and, you know, have the microphone way out there and project, right? So that was courtesy of a particular sect. Right. But I got on bobby- Do they wear suits? Are they from New Orleans? Ah.

See, see, see, see, see. I'm trying to implicate nobody. I wonder who you're talking about. No names. No names. No names. No names. But I got on Bobby Watts's gig, and he was like, say, where's your app?

You know, I don't use no amp. I got a big sound. He's like, I'm sure you do. But I want an amp. Like, no, man, you know, amp, man, that's some punk shit, man. You know, he's like, oh, it is, huh? Say, no, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait. I'll get an amp.

And actually, it was Jeff Tane Watts that saved my gig with Bobby Watson. Because I was playing the vanguard with Bobby. And Bobby was pissed. He was like, man, get an amp. You know, I was like, no. I was being a petulant 18-year-old, you know. And Tane came down there one night. And this is when I learned, like, you know, it's cool.

So Tane was kind of part of that whole crew. He had one foot in there and kind of one foot with us. That's right. That's right. So I said, hey, man, can you believe what he wants to? me to do, he wants me to get an app. And so Tain was like, well, get one. I was like, for real? He's like, man,

just because you have an amp don't mean you got to crank it. Just get an amp. You know, I was like, for real, it's cool. You ain't going to be mad at me? There's something along those lines, right? You thought you were going to lose your card. That sect was really powerful. Your cool card? In the early 90s.

And Tane was like, man, you better get an amp and keep you a kid. So, wait a minute. Now, I can see if it's Village Vanguard. But would that sec say the same for, oh, I don't know, Carnegie Hall or Lincoln Center? Yes. No amp? Under no circumstances.

Are you serious? Yes. Wait, was there a mic on the thing? Yeah, it was a mic. Oh, oh, oh. The theory was... I thought... Here I was thinking no amplification at all in a club.

But you mean there's a microphone. Yes, there was a microphone. So the theory is the pickup doesn't sound good. The theory was the sound, the natural sound of the acoustic bass was... destroyed in the 70s and early 80s. Now, I can't argue that. Do you agree? I think Ron Carter was probably one of the only ones that made it out of that whole era, like, unscathed.

Like, even though he was using an amp and used a DIY, he still sounded nice and fat and good, you know. But a lot of other people had that real, the real teeny ear, amplifying bass sound, you know. And he didn't right. You're revealing so much for me right now. Yeah. And so, but Ron was the only one that everybody was like, okay, that's cool. Yeah. Well, it became its own thing kind of, right?

Exactly. And then so in the late 80s, when the sect was getting big. Right. The sect. You know, it was kind of like. It's like the firm. We can't mention the name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

So then it was like, well, everybody raised their strings, unplugged the amps. We're going our natural to return the bass to its original glory. Okay. And then Ray Brown, Ron Carter, you know, Mill Hinton, all the great bass legends. They come here, let's play. We all be like, Go on your hands? And they'd be like, what are you doing?

It's just aggressive. Yeah. There's a, I'm going to call it out because that's my man. There's a YouTube clip. I think it was when Harry Connick Jr., was on some morning show, and my brother, Ben Wolf, was playing bass. From a long camera angle, you can see his strings are about that high off the fingerboard. Like two inches off the fingerboard?

Maybe three. And he's playing like, I'm very sure he had tendonitis. Oh, my God. At some point. Yeah, that can't be good for you. Gut strings, you know, super high action. And at some point, I was just like, you know, this is not right. It doesn't sound good, you know.

So Ray Brown changed all of that. So this, all right, so you're answering a question for me because at, in my studio set of a 30 rock, what I'm trying to do is get acquainted with all of our plugins. Like I spend my lunchtime just like, okay, let me figure out a new sound or whatever. So, you know, when you get a Pro Tools system, you know, there's over like 700 plugins or 7,000,

plugins. Right. And of course, there's different combinations of that stuff. So, you know, I'm trying to figure in a new sound. And I kept seeing there's a plug in called Fat Wood. Right? Which called my attention because I knew...

Right. I thought it changed around. Right. I said, Fat Wood. That's right. Let me check this out. How they know about that? Right. And I got to it and my engineer, Steve, uh, Steve Bandell was like

explaining to me how in the jazz world, like the natural wood sound, there's an argument over a show we, and he said, you know how like your, your D.I. versus microphone thing or whatever and how I don't like the microphone to the amp more than I like a D.I sound, but I need it for specific reasons. Right, right. So now I get that you, your challenge was natural sound versus Yeah, and to find a happy medium. And I think I, I mean, like right now, I'm not using any DIs, just all microphone. Well, I can't imagine using a D.I. in the studio on an acoustic bass. I can't either, but it depends on, it depends on the music.

What kind of music you're doing. Like, when we did the Philadelphia experiment, that was, I think that was mostly D.I. Not very much microphone, but for that music, it was perfect. It made sense. Yeah. Yeah. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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Yes. When you said no, I was like, wait, did you sign the NDA for a? No, right, right, right, right. It was the first time I heard of you when you played at McCor. Really? Yep. Oh, that was forever ago. It was like 2000.

2000, yeah. And my manager at the time was like, hey, we're going to go see this girl, Nora Jones. You should come, you know. I think all of the people from Ted Curlin's, office came. All the tastemakers. They all came, right? And they were like,

this girl's going to be huge. She's going to be huge. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And I remember it was packed. And I was in the black of the club. I said it on purpose.

Pointing slip. Exactly. And then you're, had your record come out yet? I can't remember now. No, but I had a long lead up to it. Right. So the labor was, I had a, weekly gig there. It was a Jewish community center.

Yes. And it was Singles Night on Wednesdays. And I had a gig every Wednesday on Singles Night. And it started out with nobody. You got a regular gig there. I had a regular gig there for a year. And it was singles night and there weren't a ton of people there for me. And it was just singles. And then it built up slowly and slowly. And then right before my record came out, I think we had our last weekly or something and it was like bananas. Man. And then you shout out like a can. Man. And I was just like, that's her.

You came to McCourt. Did you say hi? No. There's too much traffic in there. Yeah, I was going to say the last stages of your buzz before your debut came out. I distinctly remember in a 48-hour period, I can claim that I saw you, pre-you and pre-Gaga you. Oh, pre-you and pre-Gaga, Stephanie, at sort of like, piano bar gigs in New York area within like a 70 one night I think I saw her in a Thursday night

man I saw you on a Sunday night wow and yeah it's that's probably yeah the only time where I saw someone in their their sort of like incubated level before you know John Batiste was my student at the uh Aspen summer program really yeah yeah in 2001 Look at him now. I'm telling you, right? So when I see him now, I'm just like, you know, you ain't famous to me. That's crazy. But no, he, and Diana Crawl as well.

You know, we kind of came up together. No, no, no, no. No, but you were young together. But, yeah, we came, yeah, like when she made her first album, well, her first album for GRP, it was 94 we recorded that. I mean, you know, she was brand new. Brand new. Okay.

You know, she was doing like the bar and hotel circuit, you know. And Tommy Lapuma heard her and the rest is history. And you played on that early stuff with her or later? I played on her. I think I've played on almost all of her records except her second and maybe one other in between there. Okay. Yeah. So, you were produced by Tommy La Puma?

That was my, that was like my third dad. Aw. Okay. On this album, were you acoustic or electric? All acoustic. Damn. Have you ever done anything electric with him? Big time.

Yep. It's like for me, if there's ever producer that has such a signature. And my part got replaced. I was. By who? How did you know? Marcus Miller. Okay.

So it was cool. Still. I was like, well, why don't you just get Marcus? You got to break my heart when the record comes out. I was like, damn. But it was cool later on. Wait, what is that like when you find out that you... Heartbreaking.

Is that a common thing before you know? I don't think it is now. I don't think that happens much anymore. I can't be sure, but I don't think that happens much. On Kenny Kirkland's first and only solo album, Delphiel Marcellus produced it. And I remember he called me in and he said, Hey, man, we got this track.

We got like four bass parts on there. We got Seanette Moffitt. We got Robert Hurst. I think maybe, no, what original. But it was just Hurst and Charonet is like, put your bass part down because we can't figure out which one we like. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure on one of those songs on Kenny Kirkland's record, there's like three bass players on one song. On one song, they just used them all.

Yeah, they just kind of, you know. I got four bars. I've actually, got four bars, you know. I've almost done that. I don't think I've ever done that. Really? No. Yeah.

Well, I saw both. I saw you play. when I was in college down in Texas, I saw the roots. Really? Yeah? Wow, I thought. Heck yeah. I thought the first time we saw each other was when you were sitting in the front row.

Wait, you're from Denton, Texas, right? Well, I'm from Dallas, but I went to college in Denton. Yeah. Okay. I'm only learning about, I'm doing the slide doc right now, and I didn't know that he was born in Denton, Texas. I actually didn't know that either. No, I didn't know that. He's born in the family.

I saw this guy. There's a really crazy. lost concert that we just found which is supposed to be like this is this is in 72 so I'll say this maybe like three months before Larry quit and um the first okay so of course

uh and in prime self-sabotor mode you know slide use time as a means to protest always famous for being late to shows and whatnot so uh you know this is like his home coming show, you know, he went away for two years after his triumphant Woodstock thing. And, you know,

greatest hits album was, was, he was literally like the biggest star in the world. And so, you know, they planted this homecoming thing and Dent, Texas. And all you, when the, when the, uh, they, they recorded it live and, you know, wanted to preserve it on tape. And so all of a sudden, you hear, um, it just starts with booze. So obviously, Right, he was made. Right, right. So he, I believe, one of the band members told me that they were waiting for about sort of north of 90 minutes, so maybe like 100 minutes. Wow.

And, but he's also, he keeps getting away with it because he's also very charismatic, charming guy. And literally when he walks on a hell of a show. When he walks on stage, he does this and, you know, he does this and, you know, and he does the, look, guys, I'm sorry. But look, I can either solve the problem and start playing now or you guys can just continue booing. What would you like to do? Like, he's really...

It's very logical. Right. And the second they hit, it was like they forgot everything. Yeah, sure. Yeah, and so... Oh, that's exciting. Didn't Texas, man. I can't wait to see that.

Yeah, yeah. It's a lot that I'm learning right now. Find me a little under. All the voices tell me to none. I know will you escape me? Which way should I pull the red tape off of my lips? No one has to know to. So you saw the, they came to, uh, UNT?

No, you guys were playing in Dallas. We went down to Dallas to see you. Um, was it in that bowling alley? No, it wasn't. There's, there's like a, in Dallas there was, uh, something bowl, and it was Like a bowling alley, pool hall, and kind of a house of bluesy. But as a theater, right? Yeah.

Yeah. No, it wasn't there. It was a place where there was a balcony surrounding the stage. I can't remember where it was. Oh, okay. And then I tried to go see you play with Josh Redmond and Brian Blade at Caravanna Dreams, but I was told later by Chris Thomas that it was actually him. I was out of the band by the idea.

You weren't there. Right. And I think my memory got, you know, sideways, but Chris was like, that was me. I was like, yes, he was. Christian, Chris. No, I knew who you were. No, no, no, but.

I don't think I got to see you till later, like, maybe after I moved to New York. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I didn't, don't, don't play in Texas much. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is that true? Yeah.

Where's your, like, how is the South? If I do go to Texas, it's probably Houston, Houston or Austin. No Dallas for you, huh? Not really. Yeah. So where's your jazz? Where's your, like, every day of an American chart. In your American chart.

It kind of does. It kind of. Yeah. All of Amtrak. So Boston, between Boston and D.C., right. Rochester, Buffalo, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago. Indianapolis has gotten a little better. St. Louis.

Not much in the South, man. Not a whole lot. Really? Interesting. Because Denton was a big old jazz school. Well, exactly. We have people come through to the college a lot. Right. Yeah, I've done like master classes there, but never a gig. So the place where it was in the United.

And of course, LA, of course, you know, Seattle all the way down to San Diego, Phoenix, Denver. Yeah, I think the only place, there was a jazz club in Dallas called Sanbuka, but it was very small. That was a chain. Yeah, it was a chain. But then there was a caravan of Dreams in Fort Worth, which is like the club. That was the only real place that people came. name of, yeah. So you're trying to tell me the place where it was invented.

It's almost like, well, shit, I mean, New York and hip hop is going through the same thing. Yeah, I mean, New Orleans are so insular. They're like, we don't need no northerners come down here. Oh, yeah, there's not a lot of out of town. Right. Right. Yeah. And then you got the festivals in Europe.

Yes. Thank goodness. Are you tired of your, all right. So for me, like, okay, for you, is most of your stuff. summers, and for both of you when you're touring, are most of your summers outside of the United States? Like, have you been in the United States for a good two-month stretch without? Going to Europe? Yeah. I mean, I don't tour as much as I used to, but I did last summer just states. And this summer, I'm just doing a month in Europe. And I was excited to do some of the

same places I've done a lot. And then I realized, oh, this is just what there is for me. It's like all the same festivals and a lot of the same. places which I do love. Sure. But it's like, yeah, it gets a little like, wait, did I just go back in time? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the summer itinerary tends to look the same. Yeah.

I mean, I don't think I've seen a July 17th in the United States since we graduated. Well, I didn't see it then. So yeah, probably 1988. So you're always in Europe every summer. Pretty much. Maybe I'll see you this summer. Are you going to be there this summer? Not for long.

I'm actually, this is, I'm only doing two gigs in Europe in July. I actually get to stay home. Stay home and work or stay home and hang? Oh, I'm going to stay home and hang. Yeah. I'm going to watch Law & Order my ass off. I would be marathoning like crazy. Oh, man.

Wow, this is, this year will mark the first year that we're finally doing our first round of arena tours. Really? Because the thing is, is that, you know, we've played big numbers in New York City. Yeah. And MSG really isn't that big. No, isn't it like 9 or 10,000? It's like maybe 12, 13. But you think of it as like 30.

Yeah, you would think like 40 something, whatever. And we just never, you know, it's always like, okay, when do we play our card to see if we can actually do arenas or not? Wow. But after the thing that we did at the Grammys this year, where we gathered everyone in the history of hip hop to do like this mega 12 minute thing. It was great. Yeah. It was fun to watch.

It was probably a nightmare to put together. You look, dude. Hey, we should have a separate podcast on Inde gigs. What? We can talk about it. I've come close to suicide numerous times. MD? Musical director gigs?

Oh, yeah. Were you running the show and trying to organize it all? I'll tarantino this story and basically say that when I landed in New York, my tooth fell out. So there's this, there's this rock and roll dentist that Lenny Kravitz put the whole community on to, in which this guy does 24-hour work. Like, he even comes to your house.

That's a little weird. If he can, yeah. Like you leave him keys, whatever, you take these pills, you're asleep. You wake up in the morning, he already operated around. Wait, wait, wait, back up. Back up. Yeah. Are you kidding me?

I don't do that. I'm not that rich. But yes, you can actually, this guy, he's the rock and roll dentist. He goes on tour. If you have a fool, you know, I've got time. We got to be home. He'll hook you up. Come to the crib.

While you're in New York. He's in New York. So he's on 24-hour call. And when I landed, the amount of stress that seven weeks was. Because it's somewhere in between, like, on standby, there was a life coach. A life coach? We also experienced this in the Rock and Roll. So in the Rock Amo Hall of Fame is sort of the same thing where you have to reunite people that haven't played with each other for a long time.

Oh, and there's a lot of history there. Yeah, a lot of bad history. Was there a therapist? Yeah, that's why I had to have this person there like literally there to talk. So there was two situations where, you know, back in 2007, you took $3,000 out. out my bag and do-da-da-da, whatever. Wow. So there was that.

But then there was mostly like, well, how many bars is da-da-da-da getting? And, you know, how much explosions is da-da-da-da getting? Oh, got you. I used to think that wasn't real. Dude, it was like. Why, that's petty. If you ever seen, I don't know if you watch 30 Rock, but if you ever watch the Source Awards episode of 30 Rock, which alone is a setup and a joke and a punchline at the same time.

Right, right. It literally, it was, it almost went Murphy's Law, and then at the last minute, it was the, it was the biggest, uh, Hail Mary, with seconds on the clock left, tossed the ball up and just praise someone on the other end catches it. Yeah. And they caught it. I'll put it this way. The last act, Little Uzibert, I didn't even know he was on stage. And that's only because of the way. that the show was built,

I couldn't see what was happening around the corner. You were spread out. But do you remember how, like, after Prince did Purple Rain and he stormed off stage, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I ruined everything. I fucked up. That's what I did.

Like, I was having a panic attack. I was about to cry. Wow. And I stormed off stage. And I was like, oh, man, I ruined it. I ruined it. And then my band's like congratulating each other. I'm like, what are y'all doing?

He's like, yeah, didn't see what he was birthday? I said, wait, he was there? He was like, yeah. He came up last minute. And literally, they had to show me on Twitter what had happened. You didn't even know. And they were like, how did you not know? And you were literally on stage, but I swear to God, like, after a point, I just blanked out.

Because I started going to my head. Like, I fucked this up. Everyone's going to cancel me. I'll be trending on Twitter. He messed up the hip-hop 30 thing. And literally my lack, because there was even acts that dropped out 10 minutes before because they lost. Oh, one, our headliner. I thought he might win a particular award

and, you know, when it went to someone else, man, fuck the Grammys. I'm like, yo, you can't. And it was every type of stress. And that's how my tooth fell out. So just in terms of like, MD a man. It's hard. You can't be no one's friend.

Sam Moore got mad at me one time. Sam Moore? Yeah. Sam and Dave? Yeah. Oh, he's world famous for that. What happened? So we're at the White House.

And it was the big Ray Charles tribute. And I'm kind of wearing what I have on exactly right now. Which is like a T-shirt. Yeah, I had a black T-shirt on and a black sport jacket. So I got the big band. And, you know, Demi Lovato was there, Usher, Yolanda Adams, all these people. So I wasn't paying attention.

I had a James Brown T-shirt on. Oh, no. Oh, no. But my jacket was, you know, kind of closed. like this. And so Sam Moore comes in and Mr. Moore, you know, good morning. It's great to see you. I'm so honored to work with you. He's like, who is that? And he looks at my shirt and as soon as he saw it. Oh, shit. It was too late to change my clothes. He's like, James Brown. What's their history? Why I got to look at James Brown? I was like, well, Mr. Moore, I can, I can go change my shirt.

No, no, no, it's too late now. Why you got a James Brown shirt on? It's like, I, it's the only clean one I have. Yeah, I've been on the road for the last five. I didn't get to do laundry. You know, he's like, and for the next 15 minutes, he wouldn't, he wouldn't sing the song. He was just, I can't believe you wearing a James Brown t-shirt. He couldn't get over it.

Could not get over. Was he a victim of one of the McCar games? So later on, I texted Allen. Oh, tell me the story. I said, Alan. Tell me the story. What's the deal? And so he-

Alan, Alan leads James Brown. My friend Alan Leeds. Okay, thanks. And so he's like, there was no direct story that he knew of. It was just sort of like an overall. He was like, man, none of James Brown's peers from the 60s liked them. Oh, okay. There's either a woman or a car game.

Right, right, right. The answer I got to cut you. I felt so bad. I was like, man, I should run my room real quick. Seriously? I was like, let's take a 45-minute break. I'm going to go back to the hotel and change my shirt. I did not.

But. The damage was done. Oh, my, he finally got over it the day of the gig. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th.

You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for wrong.

all unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clivert Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

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A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target.

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talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah. It would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I remember once, We did, you ever play River Deep Mountain High? Sure. And that turnaround is one of the hardest things. Yeah, right. Right. So that turnaround is hard as hell. Yes, it is.

Yeah. And we used to do this annual gig out in the Hamptons where the former owner of the Apollo Theater does one of those fancy, smancy, like 10,000, 20,000 and play thing. and, you know, like, an occasional Paul McCartney shows up or whatever. You know, it's like a fun time. And, like, the roots have been the house band for this thing for, like, maybe the last 10 years.

And, but the thing is, is also, I think one of the downfalls of being on the Tonight Show is a lot of people just believe in the smoke and mirrors of it all of like, oh, the Roots can do anything. Just don't know in a minute. And they can do it. And so, you know, they'll come in the door, They'll come in the gate like, okay, you're going to play these three songs with McCartney

and three songs with Sting and these three songs. So, you know, we already got like 18 songs. But then always the last minute's like, Bon Jovi wants to do that. Do you know it? Meanwhile, you're playing this song and I got to put it on my computer and learn living on a prayer that way. And so, Darling Love wanted to do River Deep Mountain High. And this is all I know. I messed up.

Okay, so I messed up that turnaround, right? Oh, what? But at least I was smart enough to just 16 it. I didn't know the count, so I just... I cheated it that way. Yeah. Man, when I tell you... Oh, boy.

Like, we didn't even meet yet, but... Because she wasn't accustomed to doing it, like, the way she normally does it. All I remember was... I took responsibility. I was like, my bad, whatever. She turned around. and said, I'm going to fucking kill you.

Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I will say that we've all been there. Dealing with your heroes or your peers in the MD position is the fastest way. You just got a bull's eye on your chest. You make enemies.

They're going to get you. Somebody's going to get you. Okay. Without naming a name, has an idol ever. Wait a minute. No. Wait, no, no, no. Has an idol ever been mean?

Disappointed you. No. Wow. You look to charm life. I'm serious. One time they kind of annoyed me, but I'm not going to name a name. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I said without name me a name.

Like I was like, oh, they're kind of annoying. But, like, still love them. I'm not even going to say if it's a man or woman. Well, you already know my answer. Yeah. You've had some disappointments. I strangely haven't. I actually am surprised I've never had a disappointment.

But wait, was that instance your last interaction with that person? No, it wasn't. Okay. It was just like, okay, I'm not going to get too close there, maybe. But, yeah. I feel bad. Well, no. Was that your last interaction?

I'm talking about James Brown. No, no, it was fine. You're naming names. It ended on a very high note, so it was good. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Wait, go back. Who were you just talking about?

James Brown. That was tricky, and it ended on. a high note. Yeah. Yeah, that was below tricky. Really? I'm almost certain that Chris has undersold his love for James Brown. I think I get it.

No, but it's beyond, you know, it's beyond me. Any time a person comes to me and like, hey, you know, this is James Brown for a no, no, no, no, no, no. It's almost like, I got to ask my dad first. I'm like, wait, did you ask Christian McBride first? Yeah, it goes beyond the DNA of James is, you know, heavy and Chris, so. Well, you know, so that's a perfect segue into how we met in high school because, you know, we both grew up in Philly. We went to creative and performing arts, which is the same high school where the late grade, it still feels weird saying the late.

You just said that, dude just hit me. The late grade, Joey D. Francesco. I know. You just lost him. Kurt Rosenwinkel, Boys to Men, Amel LaRue. Wait, I didn't know Kurt went there, too. Oh, did he? Yep.

Yep. Kirk was like, he, like, it was like a gang. And him and Joey were the crypts. And Kirk was the bloods. And I was on whatever side was winning at the time. You'd bounce back and forth. Well, this is my first time that I've been in that situation where, like, I'm with peers my age playing. And so they're like traditional jazz.

So in order for me to get their respect, I better speak their language. But then he's like trying to unteach me. everything they're teaching me by like this Captain B fart and this is Frank Zappa That's amazing So And so but the

The thing where I felt really alone Was I was also hardcore in the R&B And funk So I mean Joey could play it But he that He didn't know a lot of That wasn't his thing Exactly you know

And Kurt didn't You know So like I was by myself When it came to Motown and Stacks And James Brown Earth went fire all that So when he comes to school and

I'm on Rose and Winkle's guitar. I thought you were playing this. Well, not this bass, but you were playing the bass. I was doing the bass line first? You was messing around. I came in, I came in the music room and there's this new dude in the music program and he's kind of like,

and I just kind of stood there like, oh really? We got a James Brownhead in school now. Nice. Yeah. And I mean, Instant bond. And my mother was so happy

because she was like, thank God you got somebody you can talk to funk. You know, you got somebody you can hang with now. Talk about funk. Instead of us old people. Exactly. Are you, were you in a younger grade? Is that why you came along later?

Well, you transferred. You transferred in. For the first eight years of my life, I went to the private version of that school, performing art school. And then there was a period where I don't know if you know this educator named Marva Collins.

Okay, I'll tell you what. When you listen to songs in the Key of Life by Stevie Wonder, when you listen to the last two minutes of black man where the teacher, who's the da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Like the little kids are yelling back at him. Just listen to the last two minutes of black men. That's the Marva Collins School in Chicago. And she was a woman who,

Cabrini Green projects, the Good Time projects. These were like, you know, the worst kids of the worst GPA on Earth. And she just decided one day, I'm going to turn you all into mental level Ivy League students. And so one by one, everyone who's ever been in her class wound up going to doctors, nurses, like that sort of thing. And so that's like every 70s parent was like, bing, bing, bing. So I went to a lot of schools that were like private schools that were guarantee that your kid was going to be in Harvard or whatever, like at the end of their school tenure. And then the last two years, I happen to see on Channel 10 on CBS, I saw this 14-year-old kid.

Right. Dreams. Yo, don't even... Yo, do you have that on tape? No, but it's on YouTube. I hate you right now, man. Yes, Dreams is sort of like... A made-for-TV movie about Kappa.

About our school. This is before I went there. But I saw Joey playing on, like, this clip. And I was just mind-blown that a 13, 14-year-old... could play like an adult because I only grew up you know my dad was an oldies duop singer so I only hung

with old musicians which is why I play the way I play now because literally it was like me at five and a bunch of 30 year olds and I never interacted with kids my own age or whatever so that's you know I just told my mom like I want to play with kids my own age

like I grew up thinking like oh damn I'm the only kid that knows how to play like this and I came in for the rudest awakening. That is kind of interesting. Dude, the first day of school, Miles Davis is at school, like giving him the first two weeks of school. Yeah, something like there used to be a morning talk show in Philly hosted by a guy named Bill Boggs. It's called Time Out.

And they had, you're right. And they had Miles Davis as a guest. And so I found this out later. that they felt that, because I saw an interview with Bill Boggs. It was interesting. He said he remembers that episode well because the producers didn't think Miles Davis's name was big enough to carry an hour of an interview. Can you imagine the absurdity of that? I can't imagine that.

Remember, Marie's Heinz was also a guest that day? So that was the reason. They said, well, you know, we need a second guest. We need another name. We need another name. Get his brother, Marys. Miles can't do it by himself, you know. And also to kind of make it cutesy,

they decided they would get some kids to play for Miles. Man. And so, and then Miles. Look at Norrispace right now. Well, that's what everybody said, right? And so they had me, Joey, Stacey Dozier playing drums. She played drums in a high school band before Amir got there. And they invited four young trumpet players from the,

Philly school system to play, and Miles would, you know, give them advice on live television. Oh, my God. A very foolish decision. Is this on YouTube? Yes. Yeah. And I can't watch it. Yeah, it's like watching Showtime of the Apollo. Oh, my God. That sounds like a bad idea. It was a bad idea. Really, really ridiculous idea. And you know, Miles, I mean, apparently not. They, first of all, they needed the seven second delay. Yeah. Because Miles dropped a few, F bombs on this morning television morning yeah you know like every all the parents and you know their moms are sitting in a gosh you know and uh uh bill box asked um miles he said uh uh you know miles you you went into seclusion for a few years you know what was it that that you know gave you the inspiration

to come back seriously and miles miles he waited for a second he said one day dizzy gillespie came over and he said man what the fuck are you do on morning television. And God bless Bill Bond, he's just sitting there like, mm-hmm. Trying to just act like it's totally regular. Get up off your ass.

So like, and there was another time Miles was trying to remember somebody's name. He said, yeah, it was me. And, oh, shit, I forgot. We're like, damn, Miles. This is my... You're live TV, dude.

Yeah. This is my second week of school. Okay. In a public school, discovering that people born the same year as me can play like me and better than me. So the bubble I was in was instantly, like, burst it. And I had so much catching up to do, man.

Just... I kept begging. him to join the All-City Jazz Band. I got him to come with me a couple of times. No. I was like, dude, come on. He was like, nah, no, no, no, no. Sit down, play.

And so he's playing. Like, come on, bro, you got this. And then little John Roberts was up there, too. And he was literally little John Roberts. Like, I looked at him and like, a little running, because he was younger than us. He was like in eighth grade. Right.

Eighth or ninth. But he looked like he was in. Yeah, he was two years behind us, I think. Yeah. But, yeah, we did have some good drummers. I mean, you know, who's got more pocket than him? I know. But you guys played together in an ensemble?

In school. Yeah, in school. Yeah, in school. Yeah, absolutely. But you were more in the jazz zone. Yeah. And you didn't go deep into the jazz zone. See, the thing was...

I tried to. You tried. So my story is really... It was like... Come on. But the thing... thing is that I I

the part I always leave out the story was like my dad was like a Joe Jackson backstage mom really? Oh the worst so he wanted me my dad was like

dog he was like you got two options three options Curtis Julius Juilliard or a job Curtis Julius Juilliard or a job

Curtis Juilliard or job And to this day People don't believe me When I tell them My dad didn't find out about the roots Until our second album That's hilarious

Because you know He was too much pressure The amount of sneaking I had to do Your mom knew though right Yeah she knew Yeah but She had your back The amount of sneaking I had to do

Was like I can't let these guys know I listen to hip hop that way And can't let Kurt Rosenwinkel know that, yes, you're trying to undo. Because the thing was Kirk was like

Jazz needs to go forward. And the first time that Kirk even planned the seed to me that this particular God figure in jazz might be a step backwards and not forward was he planted that seed of me. So he's like, yo man, all the

B-B-B-B-B stuff from the 40s. That's dead, man. That's dead. We got to move. And he's trying to like tell me about like, you know, in bass and, you know, like all these, like, crazy jazz ensembles and everything that I'm like, a lot of avant-garde, whatever. So I'm doing my avant-garde stuff with Rosa Winkle. But when these guys are around, I'm like, okay, all right, so Larry Young's Unity record, study that up and down.

That sounds like a lot of conflict. It was. I was on whatever side was winning. But then because of public enemy, finally making sense of my dad's boring record collection. You know, I have someone upstairs that I'm, like, trying to build a future with. And, you know, it's also in the name of impressing a girl. Always. Yeah, yeah.

That was a fail. But I got the career. Ooh. Hey. Anyway. Whatever works. Whatever. What is what it is.

What is. What is. What it is. Hey, man. So, yeah, and pretty much, I decided. So you went to Juilliard. Yes. And I was like, all right, well.

Not for long. Right. You did the same. You did the mouse thing, right? So I was like, I'm going to do the same. So I did my new school audition, my Curtis audition, and my Julia audition, one particular weekend. Tariq Wentwin. And coming back on the train, this is like either somewhere in between a great

poupon commercial or the last scene in Dumber or Dumber. The world's most beautiful girl walks up in slow motion. and says, aren't you, now side note, side note, yes. I was the drummer, Boys of Men had let me drum in their Motown-Filly video. Ah, that's right. So she got it mixed.

She says, aren't you the drummer in the Spike Lee, Levi's commercial? So, like, busking just started to become a thing in America where, you know, there was a kid that was playing bucket drums and Spike Lee to put him in a commercial, whatever. He had similar hair to mine. He had, like, twist and braid. And so she came out, it was like great Poupon. He's like, aren't you that drummer in the Spike Lee, Levi's commercial?

And my dumb ass was like, no, that's not me. And she was like, oh. Oh, you're right. Okay. And she walks away and Tariq's like, you. Why didn't you tell her? I was like, because it wasn't me. Yo, you knew what she was talking about.

You knew what she was talking about Motown Philly. Like, Tariq would use me as his magnet to get, like, wear the shirt. got the shirt on? No, no, go back and put your outfit on. Like, I don't have to wear that outfit every weekend. Right. So, he spends the night at the crib, and we're watching Soul Train, and commercial comes on, and it's the Spike Lee Levi's commercial. And it was the, it was our Eureka moment. We looked at the commercial. We thought about that girl that I could have got a number, but didn't. And we looked at each other like,

yo, why don't we do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And cut to running the kitchen, sneaking the, you know, the chitlin bucket out or whatever. You know, you remember that red bucket? The red chitlin but the red joy. The red chitlin bucket. Every household has one. Man, I remember, never forget the first time I'd smell chitlins. My grandma was cooking chitlins.

I was coming, I smelled them two blocks away. I was coming down Irving Street, and I was like, I really pray to God that's not coming from our house. There's a line of people. I'm like, oh, no. There is no black household that doesn't, even if you don't eat shitlands, you still have that red bucket that you use for other stuff. Along with the government corn flakes and the cheese and the milk. Son. All that.

All right. The government milk. Yes. I still stand to it today. The corn flakes were killing. Yes. Yes. I can't believe we're talking about this.

And that sharp cheese? And the cheese? Oh, come on, man. Dude, I would have to wake up. When my parents were on tour, I would have to wake up staying in my grandmom's house. Wait, your mom toured too? Yeah, both my mom and dad were,

my father was famous in the 50s. He had a group called Liams in the hearts. They were on like chess records. And then by the time I was born, there was a nostalgia wave where they would do these oldies shows that, you know, Madison Square Guard and, you know, Bowser from Shauna,

presents, you know, Harvey and the Moonblows and all that stuff. So anyway, they got off that circuit and then just had a nightclub act. And so when I couldn't tour with them, I had to stay in my grandmom's house. Now, in order for me to watch Soul Trade at 12, I would have to do whatever chores were necessary. And on the first of the month, that's when the new cheese supply comes. and since I'm filma's grandson, you know, it's like it takes a village period where now not only do I have to get cheese

and stuff for my grandma, but I got to do it too for Miss Gussie, Ms. Evans, Mrs. Fields across the street. You got to get the whole neighborhood. Right, so I got to get up at 7 in the morning and stand in the cheese line. Where did your grandmother live? She was in Southwest Philly, like at 49th and King Cesson.

Oh, yeah, okay. So I would have to stand in that line and do about four trips. Not to mention the ridicule of the neighborhood kids like, you're in the cheese line, you're the cheese. They was in there too later that day. I was buying their households at. I'm like, you ridiculed me? This cheese is going to your grandma's eyes.

That's right. Motherfuck. That's how they do. Yeah, hey, you know, that's how they do. So I couldn't, yeah, I couldn't even watch Soul Train until all that was done. Right. So every first of the month, I hated it. But yes, we took that chitlin bucket on South Street.

Chittling bucket. And the thing is, is that if we don't make $120 in four hours, we're not doing it again. It would just be like, hey, remember that time we went on South Street and played for money or whatever? Yeah. But we made like a hundred bucks in the first, like hour. And we look like, yo, we rich because we was thinking like, yo, we get a trizzy. A transpass is, you know, like a monthly time. ticket that, yeah, New York has that here, right?

Like, a train ticket for a month. It's like, yo, you can get a trisie. And then date night, see the movie before 5 p.m. Movies are like three bucks. Go to Wawa, get a quarter pound of turkey. Cheese, like, we were like rich. Like, yeah, we got to do it again. But the next week we did it, I still was in settlement music school.

And the bass player there, Josh Abrams, was like, yo, y'all going to do it again? I was like, yeah. He's like, well, can I join? Yeah, sure, cool. So he picks me up in a station wagon, and he has his upright in the back, and I'm bringing the bucket. And he's like, wait, we got the station wagon. I was like, huh?

Get the drums. He's like, get the drums. I was like, oh, man, my dad, man. He's, he ain't going. So it was the most covert operation where, like. You had to sneak them out. And this is why, like, when people ask, like, why I don't want to play on a regular drum set,

like, literally I was like, look, we're just going to get the kick drum, the snare drum, and the high hat, and one ride. And sneak it out. And literally, I'm, you know, he's listening to sports talk upstairs. And, you know, anytime the water runs, like, we're running outside, whatever. Park down the block.

And that entire summer of 92, like, I snuck. And we got our independent record out. And a year later, when we finally signed the Geffen, I was going to break the news to him. But already, he put a Philadelphia Inquirer, which is like our New York Times. Right, right, right. We were on the cover. He was like, what's this? I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, me and Tari

got a project, so, you know. That's how he backed out. So, well, I remember, like, when we were still at Kappa, Tariq came downstairs. Now, he was, he was an art major. Right. So I didn't even know he had any sort of, you know, that he could freestyle like that.

And he was like, yo, play, um, Stone to the Bone. Right. Tarreek would call the rap reference, like, oh, play the giddy up by three times Duke. And then I've had to trans, play James Brownstone to the phone. So I was the middleman between all the hip hoppers. Right.

And him. But knowing that allowed me to sit with the cool kids in the lunchroom. I feel like that says a lot about your personality and your strengths. Just this whole, like, dynamic of you bridging all these different things. Yeah. I mean, he plays well in the playground with everybody. You do. You know?

Yeah. I play just to get by. Thank you. But it's no longer stressful, is it? Is it stressful? Probably. I mean, I guess being the MD for everything is always stressful. It's, you know, for me, I'm learning now.

Okay, this is not even, this is not even, I just got to come out and say it and not try to diminish the humble braggingness of it all. but occasionally I might call a famous former world leader and ask for advice on how to be diplomatic and talk to people. Because that's one of, that's the one thing. I was a reluctant leader, but clearly I'll be stuck in that place if I don't get over the fact that I have to,

like you can't be everyone's friend. You have to get over it and move ahead. And manage people's expectations and all these things. Yeah. Yeah. And that comes with being a band lead. I wonder which world leader you're talking about. I don't know.

You guys want to play a tune and then we'll... Let's play it too. What you want to play? Can we do this Chris Christofferson song? Yeah, so I can sing. It's kind of weird. I was just with him a couple weeks ago and I was just revisiting this album that I love called Border Lord.

And I just feel like with your groove on it, it would be pretty awesome. You might give me my note again. Take it easy. Hmm. Wait, I'm in the wrong key. Sorry. Down, D. D.

D. Okay. Right, exactly. That was fun. I feel like Roberta Flack, Ron Carter, and Ray Lucas. Thanks for doing that. I love that. Thank you, Nora.

Oh, that was so cool. We're not done yet. Oh, awesome. We still got two more songs. Nice. Oh, that was great. Thanks. I love that song because his words are just always so good. And then I like how it kind of changes key center. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What key is this in in the end? Down D. D. D. Yeah. Yeah. Stanky. That's the James Brown key. Did you know that? Oh, no, I didn't know that. That's right. Everything's in D. Just about. I didn't know that. Oh, E flat. Yeah, it makes sense. That's Stevie. But he's cheating now.

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My favorite one is, so I'm going to reveal it now. You already know because I told you in the text. So we used to produce this big show every year called sentimental journey. It was like the whole school, you know, like the dancers, the singers, the actors, we all get together and put together this big Broadway-type show. And we were, of course, the house band. And I mean, what a house band. Me, you, Kurt, and Joey and a couple of horn players.

That's amazing. And so we had this big overture. And at the end of the overture, we had to play New York, New York. And so we had to play a real corny. So we had to do like that. Kurt was in heaven, right? Yeah, right, exactly. So we get to the concert.

And me and him conspiring, we're like, you know, it's in D. So wait. Oh. Now, Chris, you've set up that any time we've got sent to the principal's office. Yep. When anything ever was like at least in D for a good eight to 16 bars, it could be Gerswin, it could be whatever. We will find a way to code talk to each other. That's right.

In a way. And eventually, he caught on to any reference. So it could be like, da, da, da, da, da, da. And then, you know, and then the art. You know, the kids are all like, you know, start. to dancing on that stuff and get out of here. So it was our last chance to go rogue. It was like...

Were you with us when we went to see the Philadelphia Orchestra rehearses? Because they would have those open rehearsals. And so they were playing the Rite of Spring. Yes. There's what... So there's one part in that piece where the Tiffany plays,

boom, boom, boom, boom. Just for those two bars. Remember Stacey Dogey? The Timby played, boom, boom, boom. But she comes to go, oh! Right, right, right. They're on the Academy of Music.

Be like, shut out. Right. So we get to... Can't take us no place. Yeah, we get there that night. And we're... And we had to look like, hey, we're seniors. Yes, right.

And there's only three weeks of school left. What are they going to do to us? And was he going to send us to the principal's office here in front of our parents at the show? Exactly. Go to the buildup for... New York, New York. So he went. In rehearsal, it was the...

Right. Right. So that's rehearsal. Man. We get to the concert. Yeah. So me and him, he says, hey, man, you know, we should do that. And so then we pulled Joey and Kurt in on it, too.

So here's how the concert went. You know, all the parents. Two, one. Start spreading the... And Kurt is going... Nice. And Joey's playing the organ patch on his keyboard. He screamed,

Wee. The look on Mr. Rogers' face. He was so angry. Really? He was as red as that exit sign. I feel like he should have been proud at your musicality. Oh, he's proud now. Yeah, he's proud of us.

He's glad we did it now, right? So I have, I found, so I had this. on VHS for like the last 35 years or whatever it is. My dad shot it, right? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. God. And so I finally got it digitized.

So sooner or later. Oh, God. Yeah, I was about to say there is a... Remember I went rogue on y'all when I did my James Brown routine? Because I was only supposed to sing two songs. We were always going rogue. Yeah. Did we add nitrine?

We added some sort of... ad lib, and you said the diva was, she was like, what is he doing? Hey. Get him off the stage. Nope, nope. No, the audience is screaming. Exactly. He came out and fooled James Brown regalia, the wig and the whole nine.

Yes. That's when I could, I can still, that's when I could get up from a split. I can still do a split. You just can't get on your knee. I want to see that. Yeah, I'm sure you do. See, that's our version of Carlo. A Carlo.

You know, I still have that MP3? I can't believe you know that song. Yo, the amount of people, so we were on tour, this is like, this is really when, like, pre-social media, when, like, AOL chat was still a thing. Right, right. You know, welcome. You got, yo, is there any more satisfying feeling than when you plugged your hotel telephone? Man, look at the modem. And you,

and it goes through, welcome. You got, man. Yeah. It was a great feeling. That was like, yes. Remember when they had for a short period,

you could download a celebrity to say that for you? I did Morgan Freeman. Yes. I had David Letterman. You had David Letterman. You used to I.M. Me on AOL.

We were AOL, pals, and you sent me one of my very first MP3s I had of Carlo. I did. Yes. And. Were you surprised? Yeah, I played everyone.

Like, you know what she sent me? You know, it's weird? That's such a weird time period because now there's at least five other singers that did their version of going against type. Mariah is another person where she made the best album of her career, but just as a joke. Because she was like obsessed with America's obsession with. Hull and Courtney Love. Okay. So during lunch breaks or dinner breaks, she would just tell her band, like, you know,

just play some, like, ragged, you know, grunt song, whatever. But I was listening to it, and I'm like, like, I don't want to insult her, but I'm like, not for nothing, but you know this is your best record, right? Wait, is this something that's out? So she wants, she's figuring out what to do with it. She did this right when she was doing the butterfly record. Now, if you look throughout history, a lot of the great musical decisions in music

were always afterthoughts and never planned out. The Isley Brothers tells the story of they had 10 minutes left in a session, and they were like, let's do that church song real quick. And it was shout, you know, tequila took three minutes to do. Like literally, there's a history of like just last minute songs. So she just made like 15 songs. of just like, you know, I hate my life and da-da-da-da-fuck you!

But it's like, it's the, I still maintain it's Mariah Carey's best moment singing ever. Because she's not being Mariah Carey. She's not being free in herself. And so, you know. There's a freedom in doing something

that's not your thing. We just think so how many other just like, let's fuck around and. Well, you got that. I do a lot of bands that aren't, under my name. But that one's the furthest from my thing, probably. So the world's never just, you've never released Carlo for the world.

Oh, no, it's been released. We released it. But did you clean it up? No, we released it. We released it then. What? Yeah, back then. Back in 2004 or five or six or something.

Right. But we released it without any of our names on it. Because it was a tricky thing at that time. My second album was still pretty big. And I didn't want it to be like, remember when Garth Brooks, put out Life of Chris Gaines. Yes. Yeah.

I didn't want it to be a joke because it wasn't a joke. It was really fun. But it was funny, but I didn't want... Would you ever do it in concert? We did a bunch of gigs at the Delancey down on the lower side at the time. But where were people's reactions to this?

We wore wigs and crazy makeup. Which was also part of the fun for me. I got to be a character, you know. And part of it was hiding myself from the audience, but part of it was just the fun of doing that. Like, I can't imagine putting on a wig and crazy Blade Runner makeup to do a Nora Jones show because I feel like people would think I'm trying too hard

to be somebody else. But that's in my bones. I love dressing up. But never for an encore once, you're like, two, three, and just go into it and the audience is like, wait, what the hell is going on here? Oh, like it in Norah show. Yeah.

Carlo, no. I feel like I couldn't do it without them, without that band. Right. Yeah. But we kind of parted ways. eventually and the album was released but none of our names were on it so it's not like anybody knew about it a couple people knew it was me but it wasn't a big deal well this also proves that i do not to keep a secret because well now i wish it wasn't a secret because in hindsight like

it's i love it but at the time it just felt like people would pick it apart too much and that's not what it was for i was like oh man she's cool as shit she's sending this rice on maybe we'll get them on the podcast and we'll do a reprise of it for you. You got to show the world. You know how I knew you were cool because you were tight with Brian. Blade. Uh-huh. And, you know, when you, when I knew that he had been working with you, he's one of those

kind of people that, you know, if he can't mess with you, he ain't going to, he ain't going to play with you. He won't return your, Paul. Right, right, right, right. He won't even be mean. Right, right, right. He's too busy. He's just going to ghost you, right.

I know. He's definitely. the coolest. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so that's how we, that's how we connected through Brian. Recently. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, I feel like I've known you forever, but I haven't. I know. We only played together once. Exactly. And not that long ago. Last year.

Soccer. For a jazz house kids, your foundation. Yep. Yeah. And I had a dog bit me on the nose that morning, so I was all scared to show my nose. Yeah, but you killed it. It healed. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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All right, so what's the next joint? Okay, so, so I wanted to try. try this DeAngelo song. Okay. What do you think? You want to play electric? Sure. I don't know.

I just thought you should play it on something. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, for this, it can be sloppy. It's no big deal. That's all I know. That's all I know. You said you wanted to be more sloppy?

I'm your girl. But actually, I want to challenge myself to see if I can play it unlike the record version. So this will be fun. We started it. We started, so it's weird that we're here. we actually started Black Messiah in this very room.

Really? That album took 14 years to make. Really? Like Voodoo took five, but Black Messiah was pretty much started 2002. That's a long time to work on something. He's like molasses, man. But we didn't do that here.

I think we did Betray My Heart at Electric Lady. But yeah, just coming back to the this room, I remember. Is this where primarily most jazz albums are recorded in this particular room that win right now? If you got a nice budget, yeah. The Chris Criss Cross records used to be made upstairs.

What? Yeah. At Sierra Salam? Yeah. What? Actually, no, there's a few records I made upstairs. Really? Yeah. I've done a bunch here, but you guys both

worked with DiAngelo on Yeah, so pretty much. Thanks to him, I got a piece. A little tiny, she lickens. Yeah, at Electric Lady, I'll say that, you know, probably some of my most adventurous escape moments. Like, my chance to not be a route and just to figure out what else is out there. Like, his projects allow me to do that.

And then subsequently, once that record came out, then anything else I worked on, like, Common or Erica or Blau or that sort of thing. Like, that's kind of how the, uh, what they call the Soul Quarian era. Yeah.

Like, start it. But, yeah, man. That's cool. That's how you grow. I got a what if. What? So there's two what if, speaking to DiAngelo. You probably noticed. DeAngelo told me that,

um, he initially, had, well, he was going to go to VCU in Richmond, where he's from, to study jazz piano with Alice Marcellus. Oh, God. The year he graduated high school was the year Alice retired from VCU. So he was like, well, if I can't study with him, I'm not going to study jazz. Wow.

So I always wonder, Alice Marcellus stayed one more year. That's interesting. Who knows, DeAngelo might have been the piano player in Roy Hargrove's quintet. It's crazy. Oh, Ellis, man. You give me nightmares. Look at me. Look at you.

You look like a rock drummer. Playing all that rock. Why is that snare so tight? Oh, really? Oh, man. He keeps roasted me, man. Like, on the news. Why is that snare so tight?

He said, why is that snare so tight? After he played with James Black and Idris and all them cats? Nah, man. He's heartbreaking. Oh, and another thing. Here's a what if. This came back to Hornham. In 2001, I started touring with Sting.

And so there was a bunch of different drummers in there. My new catchet was first. Then Able Borrell Jr. came in for a spell. And Vinnie Collier came in. So it was a bunch of different cats coming in. And so Sting said, hey, I got a string of gigs. Who you like playing with? Who can you recommend?

I said, you need to get my man Amir. He's like, oh, I'm not familiar. So I gave him the Philly experiment. Right. And I gave him a couple of roots records. He was like, oh, that guy, yes, yes. So I gave him the recordings, never heard nothing. I said, well, okay, okay, I ain't going to, you know, I ain't going to pry.

You sting, you know who you want. Fast forward, 10, maybe even 15 years later. You finally, you finally play with him. We were Sting's house band for almost like all of 2010. Yeah. And then I see him somewhere. where he's like oh man you you're no quest love right he's amazing i was like man i'm not going to tell you what i said on the microphone i was like you remember long time ago you asked me about drummers that's

who i was talking about oh he didn't put two and two together that's funny like can you imagine had we played in stings band together that ring crazy every breath you take would have sounded a lot different. It would have sounded like a James Brownside. Is it indeed? You know it's weird though? We'd put in D. He's so, he's so triggered by Stewart's playing. Again, this is me being a shapeshifter.

That when I played with him, he instantly knew and he stopped the song. Yeah. He says, you can't. Don't do that. I said, you can't what? He says, I know you, you worship the police, but. Right. Don't play none of that. Don't play like Stewart. It triggers me like you don't know. That's crazy.

very true. So I had to undo. Yep. I didn't know how to play like anything, but, you know, my regular... Yeah, right. Like all, you know, Stuart Strickie stuff. Had we played in the Stings band, everything she does is magic. Every little thing she does is magic would have been halftime.

Every little. Right. That's great. That would be great. Give me a G. Is this, this notated in like a real or a fake book? What? Betrayed my heart?

No. No. Oh, I was like, wow, he really made it. Oh, you thought I'd picked it out from a fake book? Yeah, I was like so proud. Like, whoa. No, no, no, we just made some little... No, I just thought the album was great.

You understand. I literally was like, wait a minute. Something I had to do with, literally, is in a fake book right now? Maybe, maybe it is. Maybe it is. Honestly, this is a great song. Thank you. Yeah.

See, that's the fun part. Like the breeze that blows in. This, I swear. See, that's the fun part, the danger. We don't know where he's going. That was so dangerous for me. See? That was awesome.

I think it was great. That was fun. That is a hard-ass tune to play. We both got flubbers in there. But it's so good, and the lyrics are so beautiful. This is the first time I've heard them in the English language. Aw. I'm playing by.

I'll play a D. I love you, man. Man, it's a great song, though, and it's hard to play. I'm sitting in a photo of this right now. Tell him, I love him. He'll love this. I don't even know where one is in that song. Yeah, you do me. No, I don't need, I don't, if I think about it, I don't know where it is.

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One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

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Woo! My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with him one day. And I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah.

He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the thing, the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special

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Thanks, you guys. I've been super generous with your time. Thank you, Nora. I appreciate this. Any chance to play my brother and to play with you in a real way finally? Yes. No, Joe. No, Joe.

Honestly, I would have loved to do this with either of you separately, but I just knew it would be more fun together. Oh, well, this is awesome. I never get to play with my man that much. I'm glad. Thanks for doing this. Y'all are special. Thanks for having us. Thank you for having us. You are special. See you soon.

All right. Sure enough. These guys are such a blast. They're fun to listen and talk. I love that they have so many inside jokes. It's like they have their own language. Yeah, they do. Talking, but also musically, they have inside music jokes. Well, I started a text thread with them when we were trying to get together for this.

And that alone is like the most inside. I was just like, okay, I don't know what's happening here. Because they were just firing bag and forth. Explain. Yeah. And they got their nicknames for each other. Oh, yeah. I don't know what's happening. That's the history, man.

But we got a lot of good stories. Yeah. And great music. So fun to hear Amir, Questlove, whose name is Amir, do the drum lesson. Oh, yeah. The breakdown. The breakdown. The analysis.

All the different drummers. That was amazing. And just playing with Christian on the bass is, it's insane, actually. He's insane. insanely amazing. That was a dream. And I wish we had just done two days. I wish we had recorded it. I wish we had recorded it. Wait, we did. Ooh, I got some words wrong. But if you want to look up the right words. But if you want to look up the right words, here's the songs we did. We started off with Fine and Mellow, an old jazz standard from 1939 written by my favorite

Billy Holiday. Why Am I Treated So Bad, a song by Pop Staples and recorded many times by many different people, including the Staples Singers and James Brown, among others. We did Say No More from one of my albums, Pick up me Up, pick up me up off the floor. And that song was actually written by me and my Oda. Sarah Oda, you wrote that song. We did Border Lord, a song by Chris Christofferson from 1972. The songwriters on that are Stephen Bruton, Donnie, Fritz, Terry Paul, and Chris Christofferson. I love that song, by the way, and that's an amazing album.

The last song we did was Betray My Heart. from DeAngelo's 2014 album Black Messiah on which Questlove was a collaborator. Thank you so much for listening. We had a blast. I hope you did too. Don't forget to like and subscribe to the podcast. If you're able to, if you're kind, be kind.

If you like us. Actually, even if you don't like us. Yeah, just like us. Special thanks to Questlove and Christian McBride for joining our podcast. We'll be back next week with Lucinda Williams. Nora Jones is playing along as a production of I-Heart Podcasts.

I'm your host. Nora Jones. This episode was recorded at Searsound in New York by Stephen Sacco, assisted by Jasper Leach, Maximilian Trophy, Tanner Wallace, and Andrew Kohinka, mixed by Jamie Landry, edited by Sarah Oda, additional recording by Matt Marinelli, audio post-production and mastering by Greg Tobler, artwork by Eliza Fry, photography by Shervin Lines, produced by Nora Jones and Sarah Oda, executive producers Aaron Wong Kaufman and Jordan Runtog, marketing. lead Queen Anakee. A win is a win.

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