The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: 2021 Rap Up with Mad Skillz Pt. 1

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

Once upon a time in late December of 2021 Quest and Team Supreme had one of the realest conversations ever with your favorite MC's favorite MC and ghostwriter. This 2 part conversation with the artist some call Skillz, now back to his original moniker Mad Skillz, touches on this intriguing hip hop journey, the mysteries behind his highly anticipated annual Rap Up's and some Hip Hop Confessions that knock Quest and Team Supreme off their feet! Put your seatbelts on! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, what year is this for us? I still feel like we're in our second year.

This is coming up on year. Seven. Six. We started in 2016. Yeah, my indication is how time is flown by is how much Bumpet Bills' daughters have grown.

Right. You're just going to have like 22, 23 years. Straight up. Let's not, let's not talk about that. That sounds terrible. I can better keep up with them now. Singing in Swahili.

Okay. You're singing, both of them are singing Swahilly. Okay. I'm like, my point, followed in the steps of their father, Thelah Kootstein. Yeah, man, this is, this is a

Chopped teeth. Wait, are we drinking this episode? Well, some of us drink as opposed to all the other episodes? Damn, see, I got a... Why don't you mix some wheatgrass and some booze? Yeah, I'll go pull some crowned apples if I want to get it. I was about to say, I want to ask you on you all, but I got to drive back to the farm. I'm in the apartment right now, so...

You got an edible mirror, something, join us, something to get on a plane with? I'm not to the place where I can drive and do that yet, so... And I wouldn't recommend. man that shit. Not for you. No, no, no. Don't do it.

Wait to you, wait to you move to the farm. You can drive and do anything. Yeah. In the suburbs. I'm good. I'm going on that. No,

it's too curvy out there, man. I can't do that. So, yeah, another year has, has gone by. Apparently we're going to

year number six. Damn, we're like a, we're like an institution now. We're not just like an up and starting podcast. We're an institution. We're two and I heart years.

That's what those QLSS classics are for folks. So catch up with us. Yeah. Catch up. I get it. I get it. Six years of QLS and about to be three years of COVID. Ooh.

That said, thank you very much for that segue, Fonte. That said, I probably have caught up on every book, every podcast known to man. And one of the podcasts that I familiarized myself with, even though I first introduced myself to it as a YouTube series. but is definitely my favorites is hip-hop confessions with our guest today. So I thought it'd be kind of a cool idea if we did kind of a cross episode where, you know, I guess it's the first time where two podcasts are coming together as one per se. So that said, I will say this gentleman is, in my opinion, one of the most skillful. dependable

professional emcees and DJs that I've known and most importantly he's a music head you know so I know any conversation with this gentleman is going to be highly interesting ladies and gentlemen

please welcome okay now here's the deal now I believe that I was told to drop the mad 15 years ago lately I hear that so you're going back to square one this is you're going back to biggie smalls you're going back to diamond D ladies and gentlemen

welcome to Quest Love Supreme Mad Skills Yes sir How are you all I'm good I know you can add you two cents And it's not going to be the same We might as well just bring it all together

Um Yeah man What's popping Are we back at square one again y'all? Like, what's, what's going on? Is this March 16th, 2020 again? Yeah. It's looking like it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, just in the last 30 hours, the count is now up to 17. I know 17 people that got, like, hit. These aren't, like, people I know that go. These are, like, the ones that were, you know, cool for the last two years, like, they go out.

They triple masks. like they made me seem like the devil like these people are getting caught out there which is kind of worrying me a little bit you know yeah yeah all the people I know that have that have caught it I know probably like five people that have caught it like the last couple like last week or so and they were all vaccinated

all vaccinated and I think and one of them was boosted I know as well so are we a boosted show I'm in the house I'm boosted I got mine I got mine two weeks ago I think I'm boosted and I got my flu shot. I never got a flu shot before. I did the flu shot too. I could triple down.

I ain't messing around. Shit. I'll take another shot. I took the pneumonia shot by accident. I took the vaccine. My doctor was like, you know, that's 60 year olds. I was like, that'll work. That's fine. Wait, what happened? A pneumonia vaccine? Mm-hmm. A doctor mistakenly gave it to me because she was like, you're not old enough for it. But that's fine.

I know what I won't be getting. Damn, okay. Damn. Everything. Laii out here, triple mass. I'm beamed up. So you got a pneumonia shot? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I needed that. I did get pneumonia. Okay. Grace had pneumonia and I got pneumonia from Grace. Like, ooh. Oh, wow. Like two months ago. But shit.

I was just down for like three days. But, you know, I tested like seven times and they all were negative. After 60, pneumonia could be like COVID. You can still get sick. Yeah, you still can. I was about to say, yeah, like this. This battle also between this winter is going to be weird, man, because like, again, I'm a 75 degree person. And she's like a 67 degree person.

Oh, you're with a woman of a certain age. Now, we get high after 40. Yeah, dog. Especially in the bed. Crazy. She wants it like freezing levels. Like, I don't know. You know, we got too.

Like, she's at the farm right now. I'm here. And you know, I got this joint on like 81. Like, I'm in heaven right now. Africa in here. And I got two sweaters on. Anyway, skills, man. How it goes it?

Where are you right now? I'm in Virginia right now. Yeah, it goes. You know, same shit, different air freshener. You know what I mean? Trying to get it together. This is weird because I know that this isn't a typical episode, but I do got a billion

questions for skills about his life as an MC. Yes. Bring it. Right. All right. Well, we can make it decision right here. Do we just do a skills episode or do we do our what was what was 2020? Yeah, we can mix it up. I think we can mix it up. Yeah. We can mix it up. First of all, skills, I want to know, have you

like listened to an outcast record in its entirety yet? No. I knew you was going to ask me that. Are you just doing it just to keep the joke running? No, no, no. Like, for me, you know, it's not really, it was never really a joke that is, you know, on my podcast, hip-hop confessions, like, that was my first confession. I've never listened to an outcast album in its entirety.

And from that time, people have given me box sets, you know, gift rap nicely. And, you know, people have tried to make. Has anyone from Organized Noise heard of this? No, KP. KP has. And KP was like, that's kind of crazy to me. And I was like, he was like, it's crazy. He was like, we was in Virginia tough.

Like when we was first, you know what I'm trying to get that shit off. we was in the Virginia, the Carolina's like tough on promo. And I was like, bro, like I was a heavily East Coast influence rapper. So if it wasn't J. Roole and gangstar and you know what I'm saying,

and big and BCC, something that you can't click. Like it wasn't, it wasn't falling, you know, on my radar. So, and now I'm looking at it like,

well, I've missed the boat. Like I'm not going to, it's not going to feel how it felt to y'all in 94. So it's like, what the fuck is the point? You know, it's, you know, though. There's still some great music on them. I was going to say, no, no, no.

Even though. If they have a video, if they had a video for and it was a single, I heard. You know it. Right. If it wasn't. If it wasn't, it's kind of like knowing T.I. for me or knowing Nelly for me. Like, I don't know the filler, but I know. Yeah.

Like, you don't know the third song on fucking country grandma, nigga. Right. So you could go to Outcast concert and pretty much know what they're going to do because all. the songs are singles. Yeah, but you know, all of the other ones that people swear by, like, skills, you ain't, I'm like, nah. So when I say to you, Papa, Sita, you don't know. You wouldn't.

Is that a line from Friday? Like, I don't know what that. Mama Zita. Oh, is that true? Is that true? What? Is that true? Mama Sita.

See, but that's the thing, though, because you're trying to. Glad. You're not a deep cuts guy, but you know who troops joined. Mama Cia was a single, though. That was a single. Thank you, T. Thank you, Ted. That was a single. No, you know what?

I can actually match you in that sort of. I could sort of match you in that. If I were on your show, my hip-hop confession would have been, I've never seen a Kanye West video. Wow. Wow. I mean, you on my show right now, so. Okay. I've never seen a Kanye West video.

But you know something, though? I discovered something this week that has totally this might break me down and just make me publicly admit that I am a kind of first of all I'm not a I'm not a Kanye West friend I am obviously a Kanye West fan I DJ's music

I have his records um there's been there's been some weird water under the bridge that we're just no no no no no we in the last weird enough it's from the project that means skills work rolling. The Jay-Z thing. Like, weird enough,

me and Connie finally had, like, our first conversations due to the many times that he stood me up for that project. I won't go into that. But I just found out that he gross produced one of my all-time favorite joints.

And now, uh, it's, which one? It's a deep cut joint, man. Oh. I don't know what it is.

We got our fingers ready. Come on. Let's go. It's a deep cut joint. That's all right. We got there. Um, even though I know,

I know the mad rapper album was was sort of aimed at underground rappers, you know, kind of the middle, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the mad rapper was born out of kind of biggie busing shots to rappers making fun, like poor, poor dusty rappers like us, whatever, even though I think kicking the door was mainly made for Nas, but, you know, I definitely know that he, one of his last words was about like, fucking. up the roots when he's seen us. But there's a song on the mad rapper record that I might, like this is in my top 10 joins, a join called I'm Ghetto with Rayquine. Mm-hmm. And I just found out that Kanye was produced that join. Like back when he was an apprentice to,

who's the mad rapper? D-DOT. Yeah, D-D-D.A. Yeah. D-D.A. Eric Angeletti. Now, for me, my, you know, I, you know, if you know my history, a lot of people will tell you, you know, they might see something on him. I don't, I have his name blocked on like all social media. So I don't see his name at all. So sometimes people will be like, damn, skills like you go so hard on dude, bro. Like,

God damn, bro. Like, damn, he and I be, the kids be like, ah, this, then and the third. I'm like, man, that nigga ain't no fucking genius. Like, he's a, he's a better Pete Rock at best. I'm not calling him a genius. I never know. I wouldn't say that. So for me, I'm a here's my hip hop Here's a hip hop confession for you I'm here I'm we're gonna backtrack all the way to my disdain For that that nigga So and and here's here's here's a thing

And this is this is probably gonna hit you in a weird way I don't fuck with dude Because of what he said about reek On Wendy Williams show And I don't know what year that was I don't know what year it was but I don't know what year it was but I remember listen to the radio in New York City. And this was at the Rockafella bubble up of Kanye West.

He was on Wendy. And she was like, yo, you're such a good dress rapper. Like, you dress very well. And he's like, he's like, yeah, thank you. You know what? But you know what? You know who my all-time favorite well-dressed rapper is? And he said, who?

And she was like, that guy Blackthawth from the roots, every time I see him, he is dressed to the nine. And that nigga Kanye said, man, that nigga get all his shit at the Goodwill store. Yo, da-da-da-da-da. And I was like, Eddie, I'm in the car. I'm in the car. I'm in the car like, nigga, fuck you. You know what I mean?

Like, and I ain't fucked with Kanye since. There's water under that bridge. Let the record show that the first person to take Kanye to Barney's was Tariq Trotter. Mm-hmm. Me and Tarek are the polar opposites of each other. But Tarek, even in COVID, I guarantee you Tariq's outfit is worth like $20,000. Oh, hell you. Me?

Hands down. Fashion icons, that is in hip-up. This is my Questlove Christmas sweater from, you know, from work. Bro, I, from being on tour with y'all, I didn't know, like, black label. Like, I did, I did, certain things I didn't know. Rika would be like, yo, just roll with me. Like, Rick was the first nigga I seen with, like, proud of sneakers. He was the first nigga to walk on stage with a fur on, like.

So when, so when, someone. when Ye said that shit, I was like, you, that's my man. Like, so, so I- He literally, he literally took, like, when they were working on the gun, whatever the song on, Quali's record that he produced with Farrow Manchin. Yeah, the gun music or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. That session, like, Rik took Kanye and Quali to Barney's for the very first time. But that's why this is a level of pedaling. that has not been seen before because even Rik has gotten over this by now skills. So they share it, staged together and everything. The real story is, is what's the best of principle? I told this story before, right?

What's the Pixar, the Pixar movie, The Incredibles? You remember how like the sidekick always wanted to hang with the whatever? Yeah, yeah, I can't remember the same. Way before the days of, like, way before the blueprint and all that stuff, like, you know, he used to come around. like I don't remember him. I kind of remember him, but, you know, like, apparently doing that period. We know how used to get, niggas.

Oh. We know how used to get megis. Still this. Said it again. No, yeah. I mean, like he was, you know, back when we was. Hey, Tay. I'm just saying that, yeah, there was, there was a moment that happened where the, the, the, the, the downfall of that, that

that freestyle video that, as well. went super viral of like Tariq Riemann on the street is that, you know, it tells every other MC like he's the guy to beat or he's the guy that, you know, you want to get in the cipher with. Tarek's days of like just ciphering and all that shit is that kind of, I think once I Lidelf Half Life came out, he was like, nah, man, I'm, I got to, I want to write some shit, not just freestyle some shit. And it was just one day where he just caught beat, Rik on a bad day where he, like,

Rik was like changing his clothes in the men's room. and old boy just shot a shot like, all right, I got to do this. And he went in the men's room like while Tariq's changing and just started putting a lyrical clinic on and. Forening to freestyle for you while you changing your clothes. Yeah, that is a rapper's worst nightmare. But I mean, we know, I mean, the thing is is that we know that's him. We've seen him get on tables before him, before him his entire album and all that stuff.

So, yes, he's passing. But that's enabling though. Yeah, but that's bullshit. Like, look. But back in 2000, you know what I mean? Back in 1999, 2000, before that, like, it was just, who's this dude? Get him out of the, you know. Right.

I've never, I've never, I've never, I've never, I liked his first three albums when he started Wiling out. I never bought into the, you know, he don't have all his marbles. Something's wrong with him. I always feel like he used that shit as a crutch. And it's just, I can't co-sign with the genius. You know, he's a genius. And I'm like, I'd be like, yeah, nah, he ain't.

Like, he's a child of Q-Tip. You know what I'm saying? He's not a genius. Like, so. Y'all might have officially gave him too much time, too. Right. So let's just keep it moving because I'd rather talk about Rieke than that, nigga. How about that shit?

Anyway, so that was my confession. I've never seen a video. But, you know what? You ain't missing shit. I do want to see flashing lights, though. It was, it was cool. Nah, yeah. And that's like probably my favorite jamming here.

The video was whatever, though. Yeah, the video is whatever. I'm not seen running away. I've not seen flashed light. I've just, you know, it's not even like, I just never seen a Kanye West. It's not like I was trying to purposely avoid it because I don't watch MTV and BT. Like I didn't watch 106 in Park. So I've just never seen a video.

EBI. To circle this back to, it will Kanye's name be mentioned in the 2021 rapper? because he has probably not. There is no 20-21 wrap-up. Yes, there is. You didn't hear? No, no, you mean like our show the wrap-up or the song the rap-up? The skills wrap-up.

What you're talking about, Laii? Come on, skills, stop playing. What are you talking about skills? What are you doing? I thought. So just for the record, let me just say something. For the record, for the last 10, dare I say, I don't know, 15 years, how ever long you've been doing this shit.

However long I've been on the radio, I call Skills and I say, skills, is there a rap of? Lai and I ain't doing that shit? It's always a wrap up. I asked him this last time. I said skills. You're not going to do it this time, huh? Well, La'i, I don't know.

So skills. First of all, Lairia, I have never, I've never publicly. I only publicly came out once in the song and said, I ain't doing another one. And that was 2010. So I never publicly said, I ain't doing it. So for me, but you got the plug. So for me, this, this one will probably, this is the 20th one.

So it'll probably be the last one. So you're going to do one. That sounds good. Okay. All right. Yeah. At least say goodbye. Don't, don't go out for cigarettes and just leave us. No, no, no, no. But as soon as you hear it, as soon as it comes on, you will under, you will already know, okay, this is it. I feel like it's going to be the shortest one. It might be just a six second wrap up. Oh, don't do that. Listen, didn't the year go by fast? Don't do that. It really did. It really did. It really did. Hey, hey, the music reflects the time.

So niggins gonna hear the end of that song by God damn, this shit over there already. Hey, listen. I'm just saying, y'all say it went by fast, but this is the year that started on January 6th. Are you going to burn a bridge or something? No, no, no, I'm not going to burn no bridges. No, I'm just going to, I'm going to bow out gracefully on an even number.

So you said, you said it started like on January 6? You think this one, 2020, no, I'm just saying it sometimes this year it feels like it was short, but it's been very long. On January 6th? No, no, my point was. She's talking about the insurrection. This year started with a whole insurrection that felt like that was forever ago.

This year started out with President Trump. This year, it feels like Biden's been president for like three years already. I'm just saying sometimes it feels short, but sometimes it feels fucking long. Yeah, I feel you. I feel you. I see. I've been, you know, I've been toying around with some different pockets. And I'm going to give it a valiant effort.

I'm going to sit down. We lost Kobe this year. Y'all, this has been a long fucking year. That was last year. Oh, shit. Yeah. Kobe was 20-20. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for Raw.

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What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Wadam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up-and-coming talent.

He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there.

Yeah. It would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot in luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you know the year that took you the longest to come up with the wrap-up? Like what year was like a particular nightmare for you to craft it together? Shit, last year, because there was nothing entertaining about last year.

Throwing in the trash. That was the throwing in the trash year, right? Yes. So for me to try to make that. entertaining. There was sitting down looking at a blank piece of paper saying, how can I make somebody chuckle? How can I make them get a quick laugh? How can I get a punchline in? Won't none of that shit last year. Last year won't nothing funny about last year. How do you source for information? Like, do you, by the year, do you just keep a memo of things

worth noting? So then once you get to November, you start sourcing, all right, this is important, this important, this, you know. I don't even think about the song until Black Friday. Because otherwise, I don't think about the song until Black Friday. That's my ritual. On Black Friday, I go, okay, what beat you're going to rap? You're going to get a beat made. You're going to wrap over something else that was hot this year. What you're going to do?

And then maybe like that Monday after December 1st, December 2nd, 3rd, I might start writing down what I can remember from memory. I go, okay, insurrection. I don't have to fucking, I don't need to know when that happened. remember that. I might have to go back and remember, oh, when did so and so and so and so break up? What month was that? Like, but other than that, I write down, right? I write down everything that I can remember from memory. And then I write down, then I, you know, I go to the internet and write down everything else. And then I put it all in order. This happened in January. Okay,

this happened in February. Okay. Tom Brady and the bucks won this, this time. And then I sit there and look at it. And I might try to write some. I might not. But the funny thing about it is what I tell people is music don't give a fuck about pressure. That's why I have to start it when I started because I can't just go on a day after Christmas. All right, I'm going to do this shit and it's going to be done by Thursday. Shit, music will be like, nah, bitch. You know what I mean? So some days I could sit down and look at a blank piece of paper on December 7th, and I don't write nothing. And maybe on December 12th, I sit down and I might write. It's a flood.

80 bars. And they all cast. So you're saying it takes you about 20, 20-something days to craft it? To get it together, yes. To write it, you know, it doesn't take long, but it's just like pacing it. Like, it's almost like a DJ said, like valleys and peaks. Like, I'm going to start here. I'm going to take them up and bring them back down.

It's like that. How you make sure that you know, have not too much information? Because I'm thinking if you go on monthly, do you stop yourself at a certain point be like, all right, that's like two paragraphs and shit. That's what I mean? I might get to like summer and be like, okay, how long is this song? You know what I'm saying? If I'm like, damn, we had three minutes at July.

Like, okay, nigga, you really need to wrap this shit up, me? Right. Wait, wasn't a games, 300 bars, wasn't that 20? Was that like 17 or 20 minutes? You might want to ask a rap nerd. I don't know. I don't listen to niggas rap that long. Yeah, I ain't got it in me.

Now you want that light ear where you get selected. That is Fonte. He's the rapidy rapids. Don't be rapidy rapids. That's not me. Yeah, no, I ain't got time for that, man. I don't. I really don't.

In the real way, like, I'm, listen, we 40 plus, man. You know what else I could do at that time? Man, listen. That's an episode. TV. Yeah. See, this is two brothers living below the Mason Dixon line talk right now. Exactly.

Yeah, I'm thinking about that. This is, this is called, as Fonte coined the phrase, this called rap after 40. Oh, wow. But you as in Virginia, do you know Kwanza? I just, because Fonte said, okay, never mind. So, okay, before we got, like I could say, so before we got on, we was talking, I was telling her, like, I don't, we don't, I don't know anyone who celebrates. Kwanza. So she was saying that's

a southern thing. So do you skills, being from Virginia, do you know anyone who celebrates Kwanza? No. Who is celebrating Kwanza? So everybody in D. Kwanzei is all affluent black places. If there's anyone that has the right

to celebrate his African roots, it might be me. And Bill's daughter. And Bill's daughter. Wait, wait, what? Yeah. No, no, no. You missed the Pell's a day. Stop, Sam. Which was my daughter came home singing Quanza carols. Quinsa carols.

Just say songs or something. Quanza songs, Quanza jams. Whatever the fuck. She came home seeing Quanza in Swahili, and it was hilarious. And here we are. Quanzab.

So that happened. And so there you go. No, but you said, you know it's more, Bill. What did I say? because she sang the song. I was like, what is the song? Because I was not even aware

that there were Kwanza songs. And you celebrated. You didn't even know those songs. I have been to some Kwanza celebrations. Yes, I have. Yes, I have. You way, talk about it like you're in it way deeper than that when you talk about.

You talk about it like, you got like Kwanza Prime or something. Like you know all the Kwanza Bops. Taysa you got Kwanza Prime. And I think, don't forget Kwanza is rather young. You know what I'm saying? it started in the late 60s.

So I'm just saying maybe it's progressing with the music. I'm not aware, but it doesn't mean it's not happening. I don't know. I can't say. I feel like I feel like I should be more in tune with it. And you should be. And we make jokes on this show. And it's shooting funny because black people

and got their own motherfuck holidays. And when we make our own, we make fucking jokes because all we know how to do is laugh at our shit. I'm done. I'm going to be real with you lie. Come on. Come on me. Once the farm gets settled, I think great. might be forced me to celebrate Kwanza.

What motherfucker? Why not? Just think about the principles. It's like you don't even know why you're giving gifts anymore for Christmas. You don't know what Santa has to do with Jesus. You just follow a fucking tradition like a fucking robot. Like stop it people.

No, but I've been stopped. I've been killed Santa Claus. I killed him early. Like, so I'm not working and giving the credit to a white man. You quit, fuck out of here. So no, that's over. In terms of the giving gifts, I mean, yeah. Like, I give gifts.

Like, I give gifts because niggas be needing shit. But niggas be needing shit. shit more days than just that one day out of the year. And I give more days of the year. Listen, I'm not really a, I'm not really a holidays. I'm sorry. I didn't know what I mean? I just, I try to do good year round.

When I grew up, Christmas was Salvation Army knocking at my door with a pair of pants and some jocks. So I didn't have the same Christmas. A lot of the niggas say. In Fairfinal, North Carolina, nigga, they was knocking on the door. Like, here go your G. G.I. Joe, nigga, bye. Wow.

So that was my Christmas. So Hanukkah was earlier this year, correct? Yep. Steve, how was it? How was what? Hanukkah. Your Hanukkah? Hanukkah, we canceled it.

It was supposed to be on Sunday this past Sunday. And my sister got COVID a week ago. So she's doing good. She's fine. But yeah, we had to cancel all that. So we're going to be like dry. We're going to do like present drive-byes. We're going to drive-by and just like throw the presents out

the window like this is the first year you didn't get the oh no the check the check's gonna it's on it's on yeah you're gonna understand as long as i've known steve for like 25 years man yeah no my my sister has the happiest day of his life boy he he gets quote the check i never even i don't even know how much the check is worth but steve is satisfied with hashtag the check yeah Like in a way that that Clarence, what's his name says, the shit in tales from the- Clarence Williams and third. Yes, exactly. Oh, yes.

Oh, oh, the shit. The shit. You know, one of the funny, listen, one of the funniest. Yeah. One of the funniest moments is when they slapped him with the gun and he just started. And that thing says, hey, who. Hey, look, bro. You score, you tee off on the nigger.

He do that. Hey, yo, bro, you got it. I'm good. Whatever problem we had, it ended right there. I don't want that smoke. Enough of the talk, old man. Enough of the talk of old man. Where's the shit?

And then he said, ooh, this ain't no funeral home. This ain't no rest home. Welcome to hell, motherfuckers. All right, we went off script a little bit, but hey. No, that's the, this is how this show goes.

Hey, hey, boss, not for nothing. So what's up, my mirror? But wait, skills, you mentioned something. I just wanted to touch on it real quick. It sounded a little sentimental. You mentioned about your Christmases, and this is, you know, a 50-50. We want to know more about skills and, you know, the rapids. Fayetteville, yeah.

Tell us about the-Ville. Yeah. So talk about it. And what your life was like and, you know, talk about it. Sorry. I was born in Detroit, Michigan, but I don't remember being there. I think I left when I was around two. You born in the D?

Yeah. Yeah. Did not know that? Mount Sinai Hospital. Some, my first, earliest of my childhood memories are probably being in Fayetteville, riding bikes, all that type of shit, playing ball. I grew up, my mom, it was my mom, my sister. And, yeah, I was running through Fayetteville, you know, just being a kid.

Do you want to tell us where Chiquan comes from? I was always curious. That's later. Okay, all right. That's later. but are you going to reach out no I got an older I have an older I got an older sister and younger brother and then my dad had some kids so those are I got four siblings on that side okay but uh I knew early on that this was wasn't a place to stay at um and there's no disrespect to Fayetteville but it was my mom used to tell me you know you know we used to see the commercials for the army be all you can be and shit. And then like right after that commercial,

it would be a, you know, a commercial for say some cars or TV or furniture set. And they would be like, no, calling all so-and-so's E-1 and up and da-da-da-da-da-and-up. So it was like they were almost advertising if you're in the military, you can come and get this stuff. You know, and we'll only charge you this.

So I was already like, damn, like I got to get the fuck out of it. I totally, I'm thinking for you right by brag. Fort Bragg. Right by Fort Bragg. I lived in the trailer park. Yeah. Oh, God.

I lived in the trailer park right next to Fort Bragg. So I had Jay Cole's mindset before Jay Cole was even born. Like, I got to get the fuck out of here. Wow. And I never, and just hearing you say that, man, it's so crazy because I never thought that people or, you know, companies were advertised differently, you know, in a military town. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I never thought about that way. That's crazy. Yeah. Right, right after soul. You to come into. Come get a car. Come get some furniture. Come get, you know, a television, a color TV.

But if you are in the military, all the way, we know you're going to get a check. So if you are this status and up, then you can come down here right now. We'll basically give you this shit. You can put a dollar down. Bro, you can get this shit. We know you good for it. Right. So, you know, right after Soul Train, you know, that was the commercials we saw.

So I remember thinking to myself, like, I got to get the fuck out of here at an early age. I might have been 13, 12. Like, I can't stay here. I didn't know where I was going to go. But, yeah, I had to get the hell up out of it. And I did at about 15. And I came to Virginia.

When I came to Virginia, my mom changed religion. She met a Muslim man and she adapted to Islam. And she told us that, you know, me and my little brother, if we wanted to change our names, we could. So when I went to the Newtown, which was Richmond, Virginia, and I started school, I told everybody my name was Chiquon. And it's been Chiquon ever since. Wow. When you were in Fayetteville, what?

Did you start high school in Fayetteville? Which high school you go to? Damn, Tate, I went to every fucking school in Fayetteville. I went to 71st. I went to Westwood. I mean, Westwood. I went to Texas. I lived by Eastwood.

Good God. Wait, what kind of student were you that you went to all these high schools? Yeah, why I went so many schools. My mom, my mom was all over the town. You got to understand, my mom was on heroin. So I was all over the place. So I had a mom that was on drugs. Drugs was super rampant at that time.

And no father. It's just me and my mom and my little brother. And we all over. Like, we might have moved every three, four months. And I never lived in a, the house. It was always a trail. Like, I didn't even know, I didn't even know houses existed until

I was like 10. I thought everybody lived in the trail. And if you had a double wide, shit, I mean, like, you was bawling if you had a double wide. Right. You know what? You don't hear about it. So, you had a martial Madison going on. Yeah, without, without

Dre. Yeah. Even though I did work with Dre, but later, but you know, your pops, did y'all have a Any connection at all? My pop died when I was, my pop died when I was about, I want to say eight or nine years old. And I never really knew him.

And then, you know, fast forward years later when he passed away at eight. And then my mom passed away when I was around in like 98. And so my mom and my dad ended up dying from the same drug 30 years apart. Wow. And I didn't make the connection that my. father was the person who turned my mother on to heroin until American gangster came up. Wow. Yeah.

That's crazy. Yeah. So, you know, all my adolescent years, first time hearing, it was just this guy named Don Reed, he used to be on the radio in Fayetteville. First time hearing hip hop was on a radio station in North Carolina. I think I might have heard hard times first. Wait, where year were you born? I was born in 71.

Hard Times by Run DMC. That's the first rap song you heard. On the radio. So you never had a Rapper's Delight. I heard Rappers Delight in people's houses. But not in 79 when it was. They get hell, no. So it didn't hit.

So there wasn't a, I mean, I'm from the Northeast. So in Philadelphia, New York, there's like a, you know, a Frankie Crocker sort of figure that plays this stuff in real time. but there wasn't that person. It was a guy named Don Reed. He was probably playing that stuff, but the first time I remember laying in the bed cutting on the radio, and I heard that

and once I heard that motherfucker, that was it, bat, bat, bat, bat, that was done. And that's probably why the run DMC shit was so stellar to me, because when I ended up meeting them in Fayetteville in front of, off the Merck, Like it was, I took, I took a picture. I took a picture.

And that was, that happened. This is why I run DMC means everything to you. It was my introduction. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clever Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

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There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of The Girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends. Trust me, babe.

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Ago Vodam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot.

I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you. Which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot.

He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck.

Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. You just totally, now I get it. Because even, like, knowing the story, your Run DMC's story, like, I was kind of wondering, like, wait, why does Run DMC mean that much to you? I think it's something, too, and skills, you know, correct me if I'm wrong on this. there was something just as guys in the south, like, Run DMC just represented something different. Like, it wasn't, I don't know, maybe it's because they had the hats, like, you know,

our granddad is wear or whatever, but yeah, you know what I mean, but it was just something different about you didn't, I mean, you know, we loved LL. I mean, we love all that stuff, but it was something about Run DMC. Like, they were just superheroes, you know what I mean? Yeah, that shit was, so, yeah, it was dope. Yeah, they could fly, bro. They could do no wrong. And anybody that came up after them

or anybody you saw after them, even if they dropped before, Curtis blows and, you know, like you said, Flash and all them, they just didn't have the same appeal that them three niggas had. Because when you looked at them, if you didn't see yourself

and one of them, you could automatically go, man, he looked like my cousin. He looked like T. He looked like C. Man, we could go out and be a little run DMC. You automatically thought of two friends when you saw them.

Right, that straight up. My first rap group I was in. It was three of us. It was a loud one, one that wore glasses. Yes. You always had a cousin that looked like Jamaster Jagged. Listen, I was, I was run. That was, that was run, the sideburns.

I was him, skinny, lanky. Like, so yeah, that was when I fell in love with it. Wait, I highly recommend our listeners. You just released the story, I think. Was last year when, or was it this year that you released the story about your run DMC story which oh it was that was that was that came out uh on on the other podcast earlier this year okay yeah i highly recommend our our listeners to i don't want to spoil alert it now it's too epic to tell but yeah just if you like skilled it's it's on it's on my

IG too so okay yes i highly recommend that because i was there and even i didn't didn't know that was happening. That's a strange. I don't know how the fuck you didn't know, man. I didn't know that story. Yo, dog, I didn't even know about the slick Rick. Were you there for the slick Rick situation? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, when yeah, it was slick Rick said something crazy to, uh, yeah. To me, apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because the thing is, is that when I'm doing shows, I don't, I never have the, the, the, the, the vocalist. I have the music in my, um, my in ears. So, you know, I have, I have reeked down very

just so I know where he is in the verse and whatnot. And apparently, you know, we were sound checking and I didn't even realize that like Slick Rick was kind of talking slick to me in a way that was very offensive. What? Wow. And Tariq came out.

What does that mean? Okay. I'll tell you. I was there. Come on. Okay. My version was that I just saw Tariq like the music's loud.

Not to see Tariq like, something like, Tarek's really happy to see Slick Rick. I didn't realize that Tariq was getting serious. And then I took my head off. I was like, come on, what's going on? And I found out 20 minutes after the fact that it already happened and shit. So I just thought we just having a regular ass sound check.

So he's going. They're doing their sound checking. And I think they was doing what's the, I can't remember the song per se, but it's the one that starts with enough. Yeah, we were doing Mona Lisa. Oh, Mona Lisa. Mona Lisa, right? So they started in Mona Lisa. Lisa over. And Rick is, you know, coming in with his verse. And it was one of those days.

Not much to do. Right. Stopped it. You know, start it over. Speed it up. Like speed it up. So everybody like, okay. One, two, you know, start over. Did it again. He like, yo, speed it up. So everybody's like, yeah, how fast you want this shit, bro? Like they plan it. Right. He stops again. Rick, Rick, still doing that. Not much to do. Yeah, living with him. Slick Rick goes. Yo. Come on. on speed that shit up bitch and tarique goes i didn't hear that who the fuck you're talking to yes great yes he did because that's what we do because that's a brother who you fucking talk to motherfucker he said yo who who the fuck you're talking to dog like rick like yo man i'm just saying

mine speed it up man like yo and rick like rick like yo if you if you want it faster to say faster but what you ain't about to do it's called nobody up here out they motherfucking name bro like fuck wrong with you so So then, like, they having words, and I'm just like, oh, God, like, this shit. But to me, it's looking like two. You remember I'll put up, I put up an Instagram where you take Teddy Pendergrass volume off and looks like he's doing stand-up comedy. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah, right. Right. That's exactly looking like with no sound. So in my mind, I'm like, man, Tariq's action super extra getting happy seeing Slick Rick. Because it looked like, like, my version of it was like, yo, man, I'm doing. Mona Lisa with you, man. I always wanted to do, like, you know, like, it was exaggerated. But the real audio was, the real audio was, yo, what the fuck, bro?

Like, who the fuck you think you're talking to, dog? Like, we're all grown men up here. I don't know what you think this is. Like, that's how it was in real life. And they, you know, they squashed it real quick. And, you know, Rick was like, yo, I'm sorry, man. Just having a rough day, man. Hills, you just proved a huge point.

None of us should fucking fuck with Kanye after fucking Greek stands. Right. No, Reek don't play that shit, man. I'm not in the world. That happened once on a plane where, like, someone, I don't know, maybe I was snoring in first class. I don't know what it was, but whatever the case was, like, I had my headphones on. And again, Tariq's like, and I'm like, wait, what's going on? And Tariq was like, defendant, like, something happened with me with the dude I was sitting next to.

And Rieke just was ready to, you know, about that action. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. about that action. So that's what happened. And, you know, but I was there. Yeah, I was there and the shit almost happened again for me.

And what's so crazy is when it happened for me, Rik was like, yeah, now you got go to the back. And I'm like, goddamn, nigga, like, Tina took me to the back. Like, Tina had fucking security stay with me. I was like, damn, nigga. Is that serious? Yes. Yes, Amir.

Wow, man. All right. How did I not, I don't know, maybe my version of Roald colored glasses and just some other shit like that shit yeah you got on the el and john ones you don't be saying shit i did not know none that she was happening because the thing was i was just laughing at them like they was bickering like an old couple all night yeah we can't like that shit no i meant run dmc we're bickering like an old couple all night oh yeah yeah they they couldn't stand each other at that point and i'm like they're just for

like y'all can't get it together and you know i've spoke to them separately Like I've offered to get them a life coach Because literally I think run DMC is probably the only act That could do that Rolling Stones Action right now If they would just Drop their ego And and and

This is now the time for them to Really cement their legacy And they're important They just cannot Well I think they sort of have a problems back on the Crown Royal album. I remember hearing it way back then. I mean, and that was

you know, God, that was almost 20 years ago. So, well, that's because he had no voice, but Dee's voice is back now. You know, sometimes I'm here, not even you can fix it. And, you know, good, you better be a good radio host in transition. But, you know, they

were both willing to meet at the middle. I'm going to make this shit happen, God damn it. Like, I don't want these motherfuck of 70 years old. Yeah, leave alone. Here you go. I'm fixing this shit. You 50 now, let it low.

The mender of bridges. Okay. All right. This year was a good year. Questlove turned 50. Yes, he did. Talk about shitty. That was terrible.

No. I don't, you know, his age is a mystery. We'll say that for the, I will say that for the black. Besides. I will take that because he's black. I might be more year older than Tariq.

I might be two years older than Tariq. Shit, I just discovered, I just went through my dad's, like, old papers realized that he didn't even know his true birthday. Like, I found his old birth certificate. And him and his sister been celebrating each other's birthdays all their lives. Like, shit. Wow. Black goes up. My dad was June 3rd and she was June 2nd.

But we, all their lives. Damn. My birthday's June 2nd. Wow. You're Gemini. Yes. Wow. But both, but both of me are very nice.

people. I'm about to say you are the nicest Gemini. I know everyone? Not too much. Listen, listen, one thing, if it was one thing that Reek and Amir knew about me, that when I hit them up and say, yo, I'm pulling up, they was like, all right, cool. I always came dolo.

I never had no extra niggas with me. It was only one pass. It was no drama. Because I took my access to being able to rock with the roots very serious. Facts. So I was like, I was like, I'm never going to let nobody fuck this up. I'm not fucking this up. I'm on the bus. If I needed to go to the next city, I got a ride.

Like, I never wanted to fuck up that relationship. So I've always, anytime it didn't matter what they could be like, yo, skills where you had? I'm like, I'm outside. Oh, yo, yo, you go, somebody go grab skills. And it was just like, damn, that's his skill. is it just you? Sean, everybody knew that. It was always just me.

We appreciate that. We appreciate that. Always just me. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.

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There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of The Girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist.

I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends. Trust me, babe.

on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Ego Wode. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like,

and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, it's a place they come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot.

He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, so 2021.

Oh. Part two. What's our rating for 2021? It's better than 20. Well, was it better than last year, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But I give it like a C plus.

Yeah. I mean, maybe. I give it a B. It definitely ain't getting an ad. My collegiate average, C plus. I think I'm way B. Well, you've been doing a lot unpaid bill, and we don't even get into, like, what was the highlight of your year?

Yeah, that's a good question. Watching Summer of Soul. No. I don't know. I don't know. It was such a fucking weird year. I worked a lot. I made two movies, which are cool, and that's exciting.

And, uh, I don't know. It's, it was, you know, it's hard. It's, in my opinion, it's hard to gauge anything right now, right? It's like you have highs and lows, but everything sort of like evens out in the middle. I would play Broadway. You weren't there. Did your song make it at all? I didn't see the rest of the nominations.

Uh, your score, your song. Like, are you? I'm not nominated. We're not going to share in the Oscar fund, my friend. We will share at the Grammy fund. I voted for you, though. It's weird. Well, the thing is, is that I'm only allowed to voice my opinion in the music categories.

So I couldn't touch the, I couldn't even vote in my own category to get nominated because I'm not in the doc branch. They're very different than music. Like with music, they let you choose where you want to place your votes. Whereas in the academy, you have to stay in you. They're definitely about staying in your lane. So I got to vote on score and song. But until someone brings me into the doc, I think they want to see like if I do two or three of these things,

then they'll be like, all right, then we'll let you in the doc branch. But that's why I was a little bit not shocked, but I would think strategically, like I wouldn't try to vote for the person that is most likely to win. If you're being strategic, you know, the other dock branch people,

some of them are in the branch. I wouldn't vote for my movie. because then that would lessen their chances of what, you know what I mean. Sure, sure. You know. How about 2021 is the year you became a director, like a film director? For those who do not know, very complicated. Summer of Soul, Summer of Soul was shortlisted for an Oscar.

That's not like a minor award. That's like a major award. It's a very exciting. And I feel like a major, major hurdle. Amir, you need some flowers and some shit right now. I get a lot of award flowers, but you need to shut the fuck up in your Christmas sweater. and just take it in a moment. I will take the love.

You guys wore me down. I'm not deflecting. I'm not deflecting any praise or any of those things. I gladly accept it. If we have accomplished anything in the five years coming on six on Quest Love Supreme,

is that Amir doesn't get superbly awkward when we say congratulations. It's fucking fantastic. That's true. That's true. No, man. You made a beautiful film, man. You made a beautiful film.

Talked. That changed lives, man. I'll take it. Thanks. It's more important that white people love that shit. And so that's how I know it. White people love black documentaries. Black people love it, which is who I was.

Our opinions don't matter. We start the hush for white people to be like what they're talking about. You know what I'm saying? But, and guess, my mother saw it five times. So yes, you won. However, I'm just saying that every white person wants to make it known to me in booking this show, that their white client loves Summer of Soul. It's like that.

You definitely, Amir, you definitely came out of the gate with something special, man. And as your friend, I was super proud of you watching it. Because standing back, I was like, damn, you know, I was like, well, you know, damn, my nigga made a movie. I was like, shit, at least he ain't made coming to America, too. Can we talk about that big shots fired? Listen, let's talk about it. Look, I was not mad at coming to America too. Like, I didn't.

It did exactly what. Before you watched it. Right. I knew. All I needed was just a nostalgia place. I just wanted fan service and it was just like watching a family reunion and I got to see all my people

and that was it. National Lampoombe Part 7th. I think I don't know is going to leave it, go ahead. I just got one question for everybody. Hit me. All right. Did you watch it more than once? Absolutely not.

No. But in 2020, but let's be fair. But you know, I did watch it all of me twice. That's the sad part. Damn. So I was going to say, so let's be fair. So in 2021 in the era of just never ending fucking country,

Is there anything that we're watching more than once? I watch some or so more than once. Yeah, I've seen that shit like four times. I watch video music box documenting more than once. Like, it's some good content out there. And I'm like, I'm going to pull this up. Even if I just got it off a background noise and I don't, I'm paying attention to it, but I'm kind of not.

I will never in my life look at coming to America too again, ever. Never. I watched Dolomite like twice three times. You saw Dolomite. I did like Dolomite. Dolomite was great. Yeah, I like Dolomite. And I rewind True Story a few times.

So. True story is the best thing that is true story good. That is the best. True story is the best thing Kevin Hart's ever done. It is. It is. It is. Straight up.

It is. It is. Oh, okay. And he shot it in Philly. Amir, you should see it. He shot it in Philly. And he will watch it. And then he shot it in Philly.

And for the first time a whole TV show licensed the whole catalog to Gambling Huff music. Yeah, it's gambling and Huff all over the joint. Oh, on their. This year is their 50th anniversary of Gamblevilleville in Philadelphia and Nashville. So it just was really dope. Yeah, you love it.

You should watch it. You would enjoy it, I mean. What did you say, Bill? What was you about to say? The power of the dog. Did you watch the power of the dog? You know what? Was that the one with Benedict Cumberbatch?

Yeah, it's called broke back light. I went to sleep on it. I was, yeah, I tried. It's like broke back hill. It's, anyway. Amir, did you see it? Brokeback hill. No, you know what?

Broke back. I started mound. When, when you're in academy. member, not only do they send you... Sly flex. Right. You got to start sentences like that. That's two in like five minutes. I'm just too. I'm just showing you how it is.

No, but the thing is... I am one also. They keep tabs on how active you are as an academy member. Uh-huh. Like, because I wasn't, you know, I mean, I see movies on my own, which is what I did before. Like, I never, like, looked at...

They used to send DVDs or whatever, but now they have, like, their own streaming service. So there's like 164 films you're supposed to go through. I don't know if I'm going to watch all 164. I watch Denzel in Macbeth. McBeth, yeah. I still got to check it. Only because, like, you know, I mean, I've read it so much in school and whatnot.

Like, I'm curious to. That's out. Or is that like an Oscar? It's Denzel do. I saw. Did he play himself in Training Day in Macbeth? There was in my head that's what he did.

Like, I thought the laughing that's what I hope. I'm tired of people saying about there. There are too many actors who play themselves that I'm noticing these days. And I'm like, everybody playing themselves.

Oh, man, listen. Because all the hip-hop. Brian Reynolds plays himself. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's, let's talk about it. They're talking Elizabethan. It's shot beautifully.

I don't know if it's, it's going to be very interesting to see. Like, I know the tracks is going to be like Denzel as Macbeth. But of course, I'm Keir Damien. As an academy member, as an academy member, how do you, what is your favorite film of the year? I just saw pig, which I'm really shy. Is that the Matthew McCona?

Nicholas Cage. No, that's Nicholas Cage being crazy. What is that happened? So basically, Nicholas Cage was like once a James Beard, Michelin chef that went off the grid. And his, his beloved pet pig. gets kidnapped. His, his,

his, his, his, his, his, his, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the best truffle pig there is. You know,

you need pigs to, um, search for truffles and then you sell those truffles for gazillions of dollars and, you know, so it's basically, a story of a kidnapped truffle pig that, uh,

Nicholas Cage spends, uh, the entire movie looking for. But it's, it's, it's, it's intense and shit. It's definitely going to be like one of the,

one of the sounds like Oscar worthy material one of the joints sounds like pig driving to America again would you say it sounds like

a pig came to America no I'm just what do you call it also drive my car I believe drive my car is probably the film

that's going to be this year's Oscar winner what is this one what about like Westside story and all that bullshit you know it's weird

$48 $48 $48? It's just like in the heights and tick, tick boom. $48. Bill. Can't nobody laugh at that joke?

West Side story made $48. Stop. It did. Why is that a joke? No, it's not. No, the rest of the bill's joke, I'm saying. Wait, yeah. He was this in his own movies.

Because he made those other two movies. So he won't, he can't be laughing at that joke. Because musicals don't make movies. Let's get into it. Well, I mean, musicals don't make money is what I was trying to say. Yes. Are you guys more gun-shy now?

Well, since you kind of did Hamilton already, is there a need to do Hamilton the movie? No. Or do you guys consider what you guys did on Disney Plus? They already put that out. Right, but that's the performance. But will there be a movie-ized version of Hamilton? 100% there will be.

Of course. You'd be a dumb ass not to make it. Does anybody going to see it? I don't know, but don't make it for sure. So wait, is it true that Westside? even though it's getting crazy acclaim. With the acclaim, who gives the people don't see.

See, here's the thing. There are people that do. This is a thing. $300 million this past weekend. And Westside story made about 10. Yeah. So here's the thing. Here's the thing because this,

I saw Lairia, I saw Lair's frustration when Amir says this. And this is an issue. It's always frustration skills. It's always frustrating. This is an issue that I've always had with Amir from the day I met him like, it's like,

it's the, it's the acclaim. Amir, like, we would be talking and, you know, I'm here with, you know, because he obsesses over everything. I live with rotten tomatoes in a flame. Right. We'll be looking at the source and have a fucking,

on the back of the bus and have a four-hour conversation about how somebody saw fit to only get these niggas three mics. And I'll be like, I mean, why are you care so much? It's a UGK album. Why the fuck you care? And he'll be like,

no, bro. No, bro, you don't understand skills. it deserves more than that. And I'm like, so later on in life, you know, when the roots would drop albums, I only paid attention to those reviews. I didn't look at nobody else's reviews. They could rate a JZ album.

I wouldn't give a fuck. When they put a Roots album in a, in a publication, I would automatically go look at the reviews. Like, oh, shit. I mean, I'm going to be like. A mirror's going to fucking snap. They only gave, they only gave phonology, fucking, you know, like,

they go, right. Amir's going to snap. So it was always a thing. with me and Amir about he, he cares so much and I just didn't. I guess because I never put out those, I ain't never put out that many out.

So. And a claim is one thing, but the people want is a whole other thing. And I'm like, there's too much for me to take in. And my thing is that I least want to see what the aggregate is as far as the general opinion

of critics that I like what they think about something before I say, okay, I'm going to take two hours to What about the people? What about when the people say that they like it or they don't? Like, what about regular people gather and it's a whole bunch of them and they like it?

And they say it's good. I'm not regular people. I'm an industry person. He's an academy member. There are a different kind of combinations that you can do with that. I remember being in the studio with, like, God bless, God bless Rich.

I would be in a studio with Rich and Dice. You know what I mean? Like, these motherfuckers, they're on the road. Like, it's just me, Dice and Rich, just working on hooks and shit. And then like, like Dice might say some shit. I might say some shit and Dice will go lay it down. And then fucking Rich will come in and Rich will be like, yeah, nah, the fucking, yeah, yeah, not the publications.

They're not going to like this shit. I'm like, Rich, like, are we writing for fucking publications? Rich already knows. He's thinking of Rich, Rick got the barbershops locked down. Back then I used to care of what, I didn't care what pitchfork thought, but I did care the fact that there was a point in 2004 where your average local publication, like your whatever the San Francisco or the Oklahoma or the St. Louis version of the Village Voice, I would notice that like, wow, they're just going to see what pitchwork says and then plagiarize the same thing

for their own review. Right. There's a point where after the aughts, where after 2000, where I believe critics stopped like listening to a record in form of their own opinion and they decided that like a great example is uh i got to bring it back to old boy beautiful dark twisted fantasy where no no we could take that away we could we could look at hell aathno fury clips now that particular review and pitchfork always bothered me because of the way that it was like such a uh uh i mean that i mean they were salivating.

It was like to me the highest form of like white fetishism of like cocaine street black life to a point where I found it offensive. But everyone, every little blog and critics sort of made that their North Star because it was like, it was basically like the writers at SNL just like salivating over like what real street life is like, like snow and the bluff, but a more successful version of like, hey, let's visit the hood and see what it's like and we'll so reading like did i agree that that album was incredible yes did i have a problem with the writers at pitchfork salivating over it in some sort of black fetish way absolutely so it's not like i ride with it but i'm just very much aware of that

why do you still validate what writers at pitchfork say when you didn't appreciate them salivating over that shit and being like the white people that they are the thing is is that at the time critical claim is all the roots had to justify their existence on a label that they weren't making money. We weren't DMX selling four million units. Gotcha. Yeah, critical, critical love. That was your lifeline. That makes sense.

I needed to hear that. I get it now. I needed to hear that. I mean, that's what I needed to hear. Yeah, that's why critical claim was important. I get it now. But why continue it? Because at a certain point, it sounds like you care about what about three or four white people say. because the critics who really matter are usually non-black people anyway.

So when you say you don't care about what regular people say because you're an industry person, it sounds a little. Okay, you got to speak louder, like I said it sounds a little out of touch to some. That's what I was saying. That's all I was saying. When you say that you only appreciate the opinions of three or four people versus like. I think now,

I think I get what you're saying like, I think what it is when I'm hearing you say, Mirr is like when he says he's an industry person, I don't think it's necessarily like you're looking at it. Like I need these people to validate. me. It's just more so I need to know who fucking with me so I can leverage them for other opportunities. You know what I mean? It's not about whether you

Thank you for this translation. You know what I'm saying? It's like we're not selling. We ain't selling hell of copies but if fucking Rolling Stone give us a good review it should make sense to these motherfucking suits. I get it. Thank you. And that's a lesson for all of us. Everybody didn't understand this right now. But me and I'm here used to go back and forth over this. I used to be used to grind my motherfucking gears. But now I understand. I'm glad.

I'm glad after all these years I finally got it. We haven't understood it. Hold up. All right, y'all. So that was part one of this week's episode. Stay tuned because next week, next Wednesday, part two, and you don't want to miss it. West Love Supreme is a production of Iheart and radio. For more podcasts from Iheart Radio,

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