The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Adam "AdRock" Horovitz

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

Adam Horovitz of the Beastie Boys joins Questlove Supreme to discuss his incredible journey. This conversation includes AdRock looking back to the early days of the Beasties and how the Punk band made an authentic and passion-fueled segue into Hip Hop. AdRock also speaks about his distinct voice, a lifelong passion for crate-digging, and how his career has allowed him to experiment with creativity now. This two-hour discussion has been years in the making, and it's worth the wait.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is one of the moments where I don't even want to waste time. But I think I should say, first of all, if you don't know what you're listening to, this is Questlove Supreme. Your host, Questlove. I'm here with Unpaid Bill, the Great. How you doing, Bill? Fantastic. This is quite a day. Steve, how are you?

You're home? Yeah, I'm home. I am on the East Coast. I don't have kids, so I just woke up. There you go. Let's hear it for the child list. Cat dudes. All right, so one of the coolest things that I enjoy about my charmed life being the passenger seat of the first 20 years of recorded hip-hop is.

is also being witnessed to a lot of pioneering firsts. And some 30 years ago on his fourth album, the late Keith Aleem, aka Guru, instructed us on his hard-to-earn album that it's mostly the voice, mostly the voice. Our guest today is absolutely no exception. I will go on record and saying

that our guest today probably possesses one of the greatest voices, intonations. He's in my top 10 favorite voices in all of hip hop. And kind of the domino effect shows it. You know, when hip hop really came into an existence on wax, at least, I feel like most MCs were kind of derivative of what we call the Wonder Mike voice early Chuck D. He was also that. Melly Mell, of course,

ushered in the loud MC. So they're, you know, your LLs, your runs. Most will credit Melly Mell as being the first authoritative

screaming MC. Of course, we can't forget Slick Rick's voice and his storytelling intonation and who he's inspired snoop on down the line. Our guest today is one of my favorite textures in hip-hop.

I don't know. I have a thing for sort of animated nasal, whiny, high-end, above-tinner, below-soprano voices. Not to mention the amount of history that our guest possesses today in these pioneering albums. As we speak, we're two years late of the 37th anniversary of his debut album, licensed to ill. this is also the 35th anniversary of his mind-blowing sophomore album Paul's Boutique

the 31st anniversary of Check Your Head I can go on and on All right It's a lot of time It's a lot of decades Come on dog You listen to the show

You know each intro It was 17 minutes You know 30 40 50 All right All right Welcome Adam Hartwitz AK King of Rock

Formerly still Of the Beastie boys to cause love Supreme. When people talk of you, I know they speak in terms of like lifetime achievement awards introductions. They just don't say. And our guest today is Adam Harwoods to the Beastie Boys. Like, did you imagine one day this would happen?

Short answer, no. No, there was no plan. No thought, nothing past, you know, what's the weekend? I will say for our audience that, first of all, one of my favorite all-time audiobooks is, is the Beastie Boys memoir, which I can't recommend enough if our audience isn't familiar with the book and how it's crafted.

It's almost like a hip-hop version of Prairie Home Companion. So I'm actually going to spare this particular show of the kind of soup to nuts questions that I would normally ask on the show. That's been covered in other interviews and also been thoroughly covered in the book, But there's a lot of in between the cracks that I'm curious about. So where are you speaking to us now from?

I'm in the mountains. I have a cabin, a studio. Smart. In California. Without giving you a way, is this the, everyone's recommending to me, wherever Stevie Wonder took that photo in Talking Book, it begins with the letter E. It's like the mountains of, it's like an hour north of L.A.

I don't know, but it's that kind of thing. I'm about to say Air One, but that's the supermarket. I'm up in the mountain here. There's bears and bobcats and stuff. So I was going to ask, is the mountains more serene for you? Is that, like, why that location? Just it's not at my house. It's a different place.

It's my own space. Okay. So you don't like to shit where you eat as far as creativity is concerned. You want to go to a place to be creative at night? I'll eat wherever and I'll shit wherever. not, you know, I'm fine shitting and eating. Okay. It was COVID, you know, like, you know, we were just all together so much that I wanted

to get my own little space. Smart. I was lucky enough to get my own little space. Smart. There you go. Sometimes you need your own real man cave. I get you. I get you.

Or nap zone. Whatever you want to call it. Hey, dog, I get it. And, you know, the fact that you two are still a unit speaks. volumes. That's why sometimes space is important. I get that. What was your first musical memory? My first musical memory. My memory is very bad, but yeah, you know, driving in the VW van with my dad and my brother and sister. And my dad would just blast music, eight tracks, always, and sing along really loud.

Were you loud to curate the selections or was it like, don't touch my stereo? No, no, no. He would drive he'd be driving really fast and be reaching for the eight tracks and trying to push, you know, the one, two, three, four thing. And that's when I really got into music as a little kid

especially from the radio. But I also knew I was like, what is it? What's the deal with Neil Young? Like, my dad would scream sing Neil Young songs. Got it. Okay. It's a tough thing to listen to as like a five-year-old. Well, yeah, I was going to say that I, too, lived in a don't touch my stereo household.

So a lot of the music that I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole, suddenly, you know, I'll give you a great example. So my dad was like pre, pre-Yot rock, free AM radio pop, like he liked vocals, like Johnny Mathis, Barver Streisand, Nat King Cole, anyone that flexed harmony as well. So we have pet sounds in the house, but I'd never touch it, right? And then when I read a review that wasn't the Rolling Stone Leave Review, Paul's Boutique, someone said, oh, this is Sergeant Pepper. She's like, I disagree.

This is the pet sounds of hip-hop. There's more pioneering. And I was like, wait, dad has that record. So actually, like, Paul's Boutique opened... my mind to something I would otherwise resist before the age of 18. I'm now open to. So I'll ask you, like, because if you're listening to all of the music that you guys and all your references, and if you're familiar with the rapid fire way that you guys craft records,

I would have thought that coming out the wound that you guys were just like music savants that, you know, grew up with the pedigree at the age of one of all this music. So I might have believed that at least for the first 10 years of your life is more like forced learning or Stockholm syndrome like. No, no, no, no. So that's an ingrained memory. You asked like my first memory. That's an ingrained.

It's not a pleasant one, but it's a memory. But I have older brother and sister, and this is, you know, early 70s when 45s, you know, 45s. And the AM radio, it was a certain time in the radio where it wasn't like this type of music was played on this station, this type was played on this station. The music being made in the early 70s was a little taste of all of this different stuff. Right. And the radio kind of reflected that for a minute. And so we had a sort of lesson from the radio for a very brief time. And also growing up in New York City, just walking down the street, you hear so much different music that you're,

You're being taught every day. Okay. I would say probably in my mind, you're one of the figures I think of. Whenever someone's talking about the folklore of what New York City used to be or what New York City was. In your mind, what is the best version of New York City that will never get back? You can't ask a 58-year-old that question. You know what I'm saying? because I don't go to clubs.

I don't go to parties and shit. Do you know what I'm saying? Like when I was, you know, in my teens and 20s, I was out all the time having fun doing this, that and the other running around rooftop parties, this, that, and the other, you know what I mean? And now, you know, I love my life, but it's a different life. So if you put me at a rooftop party with a bunch of 20-year-olds right now, it's not for me right now. Smart answer.

In my 20s, yes. I'm at the rooftop party. I got a 40. I'm having the best time. Right now, 50, I have 58. I have a Knicks game on. I got a chicken parmesan and I'm good. So those are my two happy places.

Why is words? 40 or chicken parm? One or the other? Done and done. I think for me, though, the one thing that I miss more than anything is just I mean there was a period

in which like whatever the equivalent of the best orgasm you ever had like music did that to me not daily but weekly like it was a guarantee that four to five songs were going to be played that just made you like

holy shit what the fuck is this sometimes it's replaced with you know someone does some really cool on Instagram and I'm like, oh, that's dope. But for me, I think I'm more or less asking because music is so central to your life, and

I know you're a serious record collector, do you miss the time of which you were discovering music as opposed to where you are now, which is like a know-it-all expert of music? Again, ask if any grown-up is really,

it's just a different time of life. Do you know what I mean? Do I listen to my old records? Not that much. I have them, and I used to listen to them. I don't really listen to them that much. Am I jaded in terms of music and, you know, all types of arts? Like you see a band or a performer and you're like, yeah, I know what that is. I don't really like it. And you don't really give that person a chance because you're, you've heard it a thousand times or so you think. Does that make sense? Yeah. And so, As you get older, the sad thing is that you end up cutting yourself off to that type of experience. That's just what happens.

So are you still open? No. Okay. I don't care. I could care less. It's open to chicken palms. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, like I could get the Idris Muhammad record right now. And I'm telling you it would be just as good if not better. I can get a meter's record. It would be just as good as not better than whatever, whatever. Maybe that's me, but maybe that's 58-year-olds. So what I do now, I'll pick like maybe there's always three to five kids or maybe three to five parents that will put me hip to their kids and their kids like curiosity of record collecting. And, you know, usually around this time, I'll do my Santa Quest.

stick and I'll just so that can I can have an excuse to go record shopping and go digging like I got to do that so I'm not doing it for me but I'll record shop for you know a bunch of eight to 10 year olds now and you know come Christmas day they're going to have like an amazing record collection to start on so I was shopping yesterday my main spot is A1 records in the village and and you know, there's always someone on the turntables just playing like something cool or whatever. And this guy's playing side two of the Ohio player's Mr. Mean album, an album that I otherwise would have passed up owned, but I realized in going through all the alphabet and him letting it play that, yo, I've been listening to records from the hip-hop standpoint where, you know, very beginning in such a rush for that, you know, dopamine of where's the break or where's those four bars I need, listening to it on 45 or just perusing through it and that sort of thing.

And I realized that I stopped listening to records just as records without a purpose of this is going to inspire me to write a song or I'm going to DJ this next week. And so now I realize I've got to go through my entire collection again, just to go back to my childhood before hip hop existed. Like, when you listen to records now, is it, I'm certain in post-89, you were listening to records for what's going to help build the machine of my art. But for now, how do you absorb records? Like, are you still in that place where? There's a few things that I want to say that happened real quick because there's a lot we just discussed. Yes.

So I play softball with my friends, right? And it's a bunch of old people, and we all bring our kids and some of the kids play. And my friend's kid, Nacho, he's nine, and we have walk-up music. Everybody have to pick a walk-up song before you play softball.

The kid played Travis Scott Feend, Feene or whatever. And me and my friend and is blasting, and I'm like, I was like, This is what parents must have thought when people were listening to Slayer. You know what I mean?

It was like just this thing that was like, I don't, you know, this is not for me. Right. It's not for me. And I think that's okay, for me at least. I've accepted that, you know, it's not for me. It's not made for me. I can like it or not like it, whatever.

I'm kind of irrelevant from that group of people that are listening to that, to modern music. that makes sense also listening to when you hear Ohio players you're like

funky worm players ball and you know all of their songs you're like you know Mr. Mean was like a later

record it's okay it's not I wouldn't put that on and so the time that you have in a day to pick a record

out from all the records you have you're not going to pick Mr. Mean makes sense but at the same time

in our early years we listen to songs, we listen to music, that's what we did. And then when we started record shopping in terms of sampling and all of that, we didn't really listen to music. You know what I mean? It was like mathematical. It was a hobby.

It was a thing. And it was all of that needle dropping and trying to find the thing. And cool. And then you made something from that, which is great. But now I don't do that anymore. And so I just actually listen to my records. And do you let it go all the way through? Yeah.

I mean, we now live in a time in which, the remote post-remote control shuffle culture you just skip to the part you like again the dopamine rush of it there's also the thing of if you listen to something on a platform you know Spotify one of those things then it plays the song that you want to listen to and that starts playing you all this algorithm shit and then all the next thing you know you're listening to fucking tom petty or some shit you're like this is not what I started out with I don't want this just so you're primarily a wax person like what's your weapon of choice as far as how you consume music.

But the downside of it is that you only listen to things you already know. I'm not listening trying to find new music, occasionally, but not so much. All of the music, you know, it sort of stopped at a certain year or time. Dub records are my favorite, right? So I'll put on Prince Jasbo. and then, you know,

how are 45 minutes have gone by and I've listened to that record and then I listen to Lee Perry record and so I'm not listening for the newer record but the drawback is that you kind of you're stuck in the past. You only need things you know. A win is a win.

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programmed the 808 and Tila Rocks, it's yours, correct? No. The world thinks that you help do that. No. Rick Rubin did that. I was at the recording and I'm in the party track in the background. So you're the, do you like it? Yeah.

Yeah. You're the crowd. Okay. Yeah. The story is LL's first single. I made the beat for. So you made a beat for I need a beat? I made the beat that he needed.

Yo, that's even more pioneering, because I don't even think LLs told me that story. Oh, shit. Okay, I thought it was yours. My bet. So what was the day that you guys collectively said that, okay, we need to sort of morph or pivot more to hip hop? Like, what was the seed that was planted that was like, okay, we can even travel this punk way or we can try another route? Like, what, how did that happen? I don't know how it exactly happened, but we were a hardcore band playing, you know, hardcore shows, punk shows.

And the scene was changing, right? The hardcore scene. It was getting into like a real tough guy thing. And we were feeling sort of we didn't want to be part of it. We were kind of edging out of that scene. But we're also listening to rap a lot of rap music at that time. Wait, can I stop you one second? So you're saying that at one point, the punk scene,

was a more pure for us we were you know it was kids it was like we had a little we had our little group of friends and you know it was we were teenagers boys and girls and it wasn't a thing and then hardcore shows started you would see like the guy from the football team at school would be at the hardcore show and you'd be like what's you know they were just making fun of it

so you're saying that you had a bridge and tunnel kind of that sort of thing sort of issue okay so we wanted to do something different and our music started, the music, we stopped kind of playing so much hardcore, we're starting experimenting with different music, and then we just, I don't know, we had a show, oh, jumping a little bit after, we wanted to try it,

but we had met this guy, Rick Rubin, and because we were going to do a show, we wanted a bubble machine for the show, and my friend Nick Cooper was like, oh, I know this guy, Rick Rubin, has access to a bubble machine. And so we need him to get the bubble machine, And we saw he had turntables and he was a DJ and we're like, oh, shit, let's, we got this show.

Do you want to try to, you know, to rap? Right. So we just kind of did that. And he brought his turntables and it was fun. And we did, we did like, you know, 20 minutes of hardcore songs and then like 15 minutes of rap. Was the audience thrown off? I mean, there was like maybe 30 people there. Maybe.

The less people, though, the more hard it is like is more intimate. So yes, being booed by thousands is easy. It kind of is. I was booed by thousands before, but it's way harder than like the fear of me comes if I'm playing under, if it's under 200 people, like if it's blue note size or village vanguard size, I'm scared out of my mind.

But any other place I can just channel them out. So well, obviously, I mean, it went good enough for you guys to say like, let's do it again. but what's the point in which it's like okay this is what we're going to do for real i don't know i you know so long ago we then we're playing shows and we were doing that and then rick had his record label um he wanted to try to make that like he wanted to put out rap records because

he had already had deaf jam he had a he had like a noise art band called hose and he put out his own record under deaf jam got he wanted to you know partner with somebody and make rap records. And so he met, we were all at this club dance at Teteria, and he had a meeting with this guy, Russell Simmons. He was Run's brother and running his name's manager. And we were very excited. Was Rick Rubin's persona always what we know it is to be now?

I don't know him now, so I wouldn't know. He was really into wrestling. So he wanted, he was very loud and like that kind of like over-the-top wrestling guy. Yeah, I don't think he was saying back then. He's been on our show, so he's very zen. That's not at all what he was like when I knew. Got it. Got it. Beastie Groove. One, can you, were you there at all when the Latin rascals were doing edits for you?

Oh, yeah. All right. Can you just explain that whole entire process because somehow we ended up at Shakedown Studios, which is Arthur Baker's studio. And Arthur Baker made Planet Rock. he did, like, he made a couple of really big records. Right. And, uh, remixed in the 80s. And he had these guys, the Latin rascals who would do his edits and the edit. They're under his tutelage.

They, well, they worked at Shakedown Studios and he, oh, yeah. Oh, God, dog. We got to get Arthur on the show, man. And I know this because Adam Yowk worked at Shakedown Studios at that time. He was a gopher. He would go get the, you know, with the sodas or whatever. you know, whatever, sandwiches for the Latin Rascals. Ah.

And these guys, they were in like a closet-sized little side studio at Shakedown with just, you know, two reel-to-reels. And they were taking, you know, just the razor blade and the tape. And they would just cut this little fraction, a word, and cut it, and then, you know, splice it, tape it in, and then re-record it, and tape another one, then splice that and tape it on to the next one. And it would be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. they would literally do that with tape.

It was crazy. That's crazy. You're saying to me that on B.C. grooves or parties getting rough when you guys are like, all that stuff is hand-stopped. So they would have to make like 10 copies of a song. Forever, for hours and hours and hours. And if you splice the tape wrong, well, I don't know what you're going to do. so they were so precise and so talented at what they did nobody could fuck with them they were so good

latin rascals i mean it's a thing that you can't even understand now what what the thing of slicing tape was the the idea of slice stone taking a two inch tape his song and just slicing it is crazy you would never do that yeah we so just haven't finished his doc and getting privy to his master reels and all that stuff. I was rather shocked at how air quote hip-hop sly really was, especially with loose booty, which, I mean,

a lot of post-riot stuff was just him sampling himself and, you know, like to hear the original jam sessions those things came from. And then... Then those to me, whenever you feel like it, I would like to have those. I got, you know, you'll be, you'll be shocked. Probably the biggest revelation that there's so much in the movie that we had to take a lot out.

And a lot that we had to take out was just the nerdy stuff. There's a period. There's a moment during fresh. There's at least four songs in which the only way I can describe it is it's almost like, he had Fela's army assault. Like there's a babies making babies. There's a bloated version of a skin I'm in. Like at one point,

fresh was going to be just like a, just a sonic assault of, like at least with Spector's Wallace sound thing. It was inside of a compressed bubble. So he wanted to have like four drummers playing at the same time? Yes, dude. I'll let you be. Like, okay.

Dude, it was her, Pat Rizzo, like, all right. Beyond 48 tracks. But go ahead. No, it was overkill. I mean, what we wound up with was the better record, stripped down. But the initial fresh sessions, like four of those songs were just like, just an army. The Icee Brothers beat where there's two drummers playing. Oh, get into it.

So good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, just two. Getting into it. Yeah. Two. Now, this one's four. You know the Niagara beat?

I'm familiar with it. That's two drummers. That's a good one. They're on top of each other. That's a really good one. Wow. Okay. Oh, also, do you know Dante Carfanya?

No. Hit me to it. I was on tour in, we were on tour in 98, and we had the day off. I wanted to find a record. store or record stores okay i think this i this whole thing is in the book is is in bisty boys book okay but we had the day off and i went through the yellow pages and i found like all the used record stores and i took a cab to the first one and i go in the record store and there's some some records playing whatever and i'm flipping through it's a huge record store and all of a sudden i hear something that i'd

never heard before some break bead and some crazy shit and there's nobody in the store and it's like 10 in the morning. And I'm trying to look and I see this guy in the back at the turntable behind the counter and he's like pointing at me, looking at me and laughing. And I go right over to him. We start talking. He's like, my name's Dante. He's like, I work here, but I'm the one who buys the records from people sell a record. So I sift through him before anybody else says. And he's like, I'm going to go on break in an hour. Let's hang out. And I went to his house and he just played me these records that I've never heard before or since. He is a record collector.

He's put out tons of compilations. I can't even begin, Dante Carfania. I'm surprised you don't know him. Hey, man. I'm not the new at all. I'm the student. I just wanted to give him his little shout out because he's amazing. Okay.

When I come from records and having the good stuff, there you go. He's like, you ever heard this? I was like, no, never heard this? Wow. That I still get excited about hearing a break that I've never heard before. And do you still go on those missions? I've got like 2,500 records I've never listened to in crates that just say listen to. Right.

So, yeah, I mean, that's kind of where I am now, where I don't necessarily go digging as much as I used to. now it's the first generation of record collectors dying. So I'll get a lot of calls from daughters that are like, hey, dad had a 7,000 records. Do you want them? Or sadly enough, a lot of colleges

are ending their jazz programs. Right. Radio station's shutting down. So, like, I know, oh, 200,000 records, that's a lot of records, but I don't want people thinking, like, I'm going to record store.

First of all, I don't think there's 200,000 individual good albums. I mean, you know, I have at least 300 Billy Jean 45s. So like kind of a new thing now is whoever would service jukeboxes at diners and bars and whatnot. They would have a warehouse or that sort of space where all of their 45s and stuff that they were serviced to mom and pop stores. Those people are dying and, you know, either the mom has passed and the kids are just like, we don't know what to do with it. We urge you like music. You know, it's 14,000 45s if you want them.

So right now, I'm kind of hoarding record collections, but. All right, two things. Yeah. Do you miss the good old days when people sold their records for drugs? I mean, come on. You know? And to 300 copies of a Billy Jean 45. Why? What are you doing?

Well, no, I buy collections. Again, like, there was a guy in Atlanta. 300 is like, what? Well, I realized after the fact, you know, like, it'll... And my third thing is, which leads you to a fourth thing. You live in New York, storage, like, you're bleeding money. Just bleeding money. Why are you going to A1?

It's like the most expensive record store. What are you doing? Because I need something to do, yo. You always complain about how busy you are. You need something to do. now, that feels like bullshit. I almost feel like listening to the record is almost like the last part. Like for me, the excitement of, all right, I'm going to take three hours out and go record shopping.

I get the joy of going to a record store and buying a shitload of records and I'll take this, that, this is that. I could easily go in my stores and do that. But you're right. So right now, I brought in the pandemic a farm. and I will on this acreage build something that will house and store this. But right now, yeah, I got like somewhere between 8 to 11 storage units. And it's killing me inside. Like in your defense request, though, Billy Jean is a very important record.

I was given a hypothetical example. But yeah, the 45s I buy are from people that were servicing jukeboxes. Like back in the day, you buy. I like 78 jukeboxes. Go to each restaurant. Hey, you want a jukebox? And then you strike a deal and you service. This particular guy in Atlanta had 90,

over 90 bars and diners that his jukeboxes were utilized. So that's the trick for when you get older and you're a record collector is to switch over to 45s, seven inches. They're smaller, lighter. And just is fun. Well, I consider that part of. I much prefer a 45 to an hill. So right now, I would say the first generation of Renaissance hip-hop producers, your large professors, your diamond D's, your lore finesses, they're in their anti-serrato phase and like 45s only.

I mean, it's a cool flex. Like I've never been one of those like, I don't own a Macintosh. I'm not like, yes, I acknowledge that the sound of vinyl is. more superior, but I've never been a vinyl head that, like, worships at the altar of the most purest form of... Well, the thing about it is nobody else cares. Exactly. Exactly.

So it's only a flex for the quest loves of... There's three people in the room out of, you know, whatever, 250 that care about that you're playing a 45. Time out. Time out. Oh, I have a timeout, too. Go ahead. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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Woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come, look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet.

Yeah. He goes, but there's so much. luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Yeah. Listen to thanks dad on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Ameriopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, I wanted to go back to this, though. You asked about memories and I'm bummed because I wanted to get here earlier to go through my 45s. I have a stack of 45s that were mine when I was a kid.

and because me and my brother had the room, I used to put every 45 that I bought, I put a number on and my initials when I was like seven years old. So I have like one to 50 of my first 50-40-5s. So you never got rhythm. No, no. But I have not gone back

and I wanted to do it for this to look to see which was the first one ever bought. I know the first album I ever bought, but I don't know. the first 45 and I wish I could remember because it literally has a number on it. What's the first album you ever purchased? Well, the first album I ever got, I was with my dad in the VW van. He had to stop and we're getting sandwiches and he ran into like this thrift store real quick. I'm like, I'll be right back.

And he came back out with Rolling Stones out of our head, out of our head. Like here, you should have this. And I didn't have a record player or anything. I was like, okay. And then when I got a record player and was listening to records, the first record I bought album with my own money was the Rocky Horror Picture Show soundtrack. That's a stretch. I like.

All right. That's unique as well. Just because you like the show or just because it was there? It was just a phenomenon in New York at the time. Yeah. Okay. I think I hadn't seen it yet because I was too young. But it was right in my neighborhood where they would, it would line up on the street to see it and it's like a big deal. Another thing I want to know is

at the time when you guys were first recording, was there an immediate plan to make a full album? Like, why did it take three years for you guys to finally get licensed a little out of there? I don't know. You know, like you'd asked if I would have seen this coming, like where I'm at now or all of the stuff that's happened.

Like, I was a teenager. I was still in school. I was going to high school, and, you know, we made a couple singles. I didn't know that we were going to keep doing this. I didn't know that we were going to stop doing it, but I didn't know, I didn't know, like, anybody who had an album, you know, the bad brains, but like, I didn't, you know, it wasn't a, just made some singles. I didn't know that it was a bigger thing was going to happen. And I was cool with it. We were playing shows.

I had a little money. I'd never had that before. So I was like, I could buy tapes. That was cool. I know the legend of the story is that, um, that Freddie demand wanted run DMC to open up for Madonna, but you know,

the amount of money that they were willing to pay for an opening act was way below run DMC's market price. And then they were, I guess they asked Russell if, uh, he knew the fat boys or could get them and instead he pivoted them to you guys. Um, But what I always wanted to know was, okay, so in 1985,

with just one 12 inch, I mean, two, if you count the bazootie MCA thing. Oh, and there she's on it. So maybe with just two and a half singles, exactly. And Cookie Bus and Pollywax. Do we had a few little records out? I was going to ask, what was the show like if you had no album? behind it. Like, how long was the slot? Were you doing like a half hour, 45 minutes? 10? Yeah. It's all we had. 10 minutes? I mean, it couldn't have been more than 10. I don't know what

we would have done for longer than 10 minutes. All of it. I don't know. I would imagine for a lot of that audience, that was their first hip-hop experience. Yeah. Sure. And it goes back to the Rick Rubin wrestler thing. And so when we were like getting ready to go on the tour, we were like, what are we going to do? We've never really done a show at like a amphitheater or anything like that. So we were trying to figure out what to do

whatever. And so Rick was very involved with that. Okay. He was like, you have to do like wrestler stuff where you have to like fuck with the audience and just be an asshole. And you know, you're going to... So he wanted you to be a provocateur. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I didn't know that. You walk into the Paramount theater and be like, I'm the king of the Paramount. Anybody, you know, they could burn this place down after we leave, you know, all

of that stuff. What's the Eddie Harris record? One of my favorite albums of all time where he's talking in between the songs. Oh, that's why I'm talking shit. Eddie Harris. Okay. Fucking great. And that's, that was your modus operandi for... No, I hadn't heard that record yet, but it's that type of thing. I got it. Just, fuck it. And they did not want that at all. It was little kids and their parents to see Madonna. It was just a major thing. Was her camp worried at all? Like, oh, we might have chosen the wrong actor.

Yeah, they wanted to kick us off the tour after like the second show. But you did the entire show. Madonna was like, no, keep them. They're great. I love Madonna. She's fantastic. Great person. Yes.

Okay, so you guys were sort of our first experience. And I was wondering that as well, like, okay, we had basically been living in Europe for the longest and us coming back to the states to start the second half of Ill Communication Tour. And, you know, at this point, I wasn't fully aware if, you know, the audience would be with it or not with it. and you had us going on in between Atari Teenage Riot and John Spencer's... Oh, dog. Atari Teenage Riot and John Spencer's Blues Explosions. Then the roots. Then the Beastie Boys.

That's a good show. You get your money's worth at that show. No, I do. Dog, everything I've ever learned in my professional life I learned in those six weeks to on with you guys. Literally everything. A rider to hotels to, oh, I can shop for records. Like anything that I've ever learned that I'd still do to this day, I learned

during that tour. You never read KRS's book? I absolutely. You want to know something hilarious? So mid, we were in, I don't know what city we were in California. We were at a truck stop. And we saw that KRS one book. And we purchased it.

But kind of as a joke, like, wow, Karras Wyn's given an instructional on how to be an MC. So I will admit that we would mockingly read that book on the tour bus in Keros One's voice when you arrive to the venue. You're not the only one that did that. I think most people that have that book did that. Here's the thing, though. We would joke about everything he said and then kind of like on stage, do what he's. he said. Yeah.

And then like, holy shit, that actually worked. Like he did this thing called, when you come on stage, he said, always come layered where a t-shirt, a shirt, a vest, a jacket, and a coat. Oh, yeah. And time out when like every four minutes take off a jacket. That tells the audience, like, I'm rolling my sleeves up. I'm ready to work. And so one, there's so many gems in that book.

I always thought it was a jinx. If you give an eating establishment an autograph, eight by ten, an autograph eight by ten. Always your tour manager should always have three periodicals on him at all time. Newspapers, magazines should have a pair of slacks, a pair of black jeans, and some other specific thing about pants. and have eight by tens for when you go to a restaurant. Specifically when you go to Burger King and you need to cut the line, tell them that you have a pregnant woman on tour with you.

And they need to get through it immediately. It's so deep. But he also tells you many bottles of water to have on stage, how many, what speakers, like everything. It's amazing. Probably the best thing that we still do to this day is dynamics. He's like sometimes start.

the song at a whisper. Yeah. Then you get loud. Like, we went from playfully mocking it to like wearing it by like a tattoo. Yes. But no, everything I learned touring was

with you guys. And so, but I always wanted to know, like, what was the repertoire at a time when you didn't have music out? So we did, whatever songs we had, We had the rock hard, the ACROT. Party's getting loud.

Beastie Groove. We did, she's on it probably, right? Mm-hmm. Yowk did a verse of Spoonie G. Freaking and Spanking. And I did a verse of Jimmy Spicer. Hip-hop covers, okay, early to the game. Got it.

And then I might have did the electric boogie for like 30 seconds. I don't know. Some sort of breaking it. And lock in something really embarrassing. Were they even, like I'm certain then, especially hip hop shows the usual call and response. Somebody say ho thing was a staple. Was the audience at all responsive or were they just 10,000 percent? No, we don't want this.

No, no, no, no. Tear crying. Like literally crying. Hatred. Just hated. Hated us. Not knowing they worship at the all. altered three to four years later.

None of them did. I've met many of people. Oh, what's her name? I think she told me that, uh, uh, Portlandia. Harry Brownstein. Yeah, Carrie. So like,

everyone tells me like, oh, I first saw the moment for Madonna and then later I became a fan. That's what I'm saying. Like, they were like, if your parents promised you a big wheel for Christmas,

all year, every other day. Right. Am I getting the big wheel? You're getting the big wheel. And then you'd get like a piece of shit. At the time, did you mind it? Did you feel like, oh, we're fucked or like, what do you think?

That was our thought process is so long as they didn't remember us. So long as they know who we are. If we just went up there and did a couple songs, we'd be unmemorable. And they'd forget who we are. So at no point, no one's saying, hey, this is one of the biggest artists of all time, you might want to amalgamator ecosystem to do. Her manager was definitely like you got to go. We're going to get somebody else because you guys are terrible.

She, I don't know this is fact, but I'm sure she knew like they hated us so much that by the time she got on stage, it was like, you know, a dozen big wheels. I see it now. I see it. I see it. So strategic, strategic planning. I get that. When does the official.

process of making license to it will start. Is this 40 years ago? I'm like, I don't know the day. I'm not like you. I don't know the day. I would assume sometime in 85. Holdenow hit is early 86, so I would assume. Yeah.

So around me. After the Madonna tour, I guess we came home and started recording. We found, you know, we, Rick, I guess, found a studio, chunking studio. And we were just...

We found out that L.L. named that studio. When he was making a radio, it was John King's studios, but... Someone named John King owned the place. Right. And Rudy was the engineer. Okay. Dave Burnett, who was also the engineer for Planet Rock. Also worked at Chung King.

He was the engineer. Who also found an apartment for Adam and Mike in Chinatown, which is a whole other situation. The rat apartment. Yes. I live about three blocks away from, I can see it from here. I don't know the exact apartment, but my eyes are on it. No, L.L. says that there was a Chinese spot with food so good that he liked. That he's like, yo, man, you should name this Chung King Studios.

History made. That's the folklore of LL saying that he named, it went from John King to Chung King. A win is a win. A win. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

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Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed.

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My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and The Big. Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like,

and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come, look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved.

And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck.

Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East-West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar, this is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.

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This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Whose idea was it to put the Acapella version of Hold It Now hit it on the 12 bench? I think that was Rick. I don't believe it wasn't me. okay so you know it could have been yowks it could have been could have been anyone other than myself because I don't think it was mine okay it was probably it could have been Russell's I don't know Rick was part of the like the DJ pool of make back then

but it never occurred to anyone hey why we put the actual instrumental on the B side so we could perform the shit in concert because people were still like rhyming over their vocals you know the details weren't as important to me at the time it was more like trying to get free drinks you know like going to clubs meeting people was kind of more my headspace you know getting phone numbers that kind of thing

really was more where my focus was okay I think I told you previously that the initial pressings of that 12 inch actually had the Acapella on the A side and the drum version on the B side, which when Lady B started playing it, the first time I ever heard the drum machine version of Hold It Now Hit It was when I got licensed to ill. But for a year and a half before, Power 99 only played the Acapella version. And in my mind, it was the most minza genius shit ever. I was like, yo, they're so dope. They don't need no music.

Like, we don't need no music. I don't need no music. I need this. I, yeah, so when I got the album version, I was like, disappointed, like, wait, where's these drum machines coming from? Like, what the fuck? I mean, at the time, though, like, what was it like to get finally, like, latched on in terms of, like, getting respect from? Because the single caught on in New York and elsewhere, correct? Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of stories about all of this. about all of this. But the Lady B thing, I'm just going to say, I can't remember what's in the book or not, because it's a lot of pages in that book. But Lady B, I love Lady B, she booked a show for us at that time. This is not going to make her look great at A. Right. At the after midnight. No, this was, this was at a hotel. This was at like the, you know, like the brunch center of a hotel, you know, like the meeting area. Okay. And it was on a whatever night and we drove down to Philly to play. It's like somewhere near Philly, but not in Philly and

not Jersey. I don't know where it was. Right. No, but only Lady B showed up. One person. That's it. That's it. And the, you know, the couple of people at work there. And so we just did it. It was basically like we did a show, but it was, you know, a practice. And that was when DJ Jazzy J was our DJ. Jazzie J. was our DJ for a minute. Really? Oh, yeah. nice okay i didn't know that any any other tidbits from this era that i should know at least in the pre-licensed ill oh you mean that we played with the rap and duke no we do you did a show with the rap and duke yeah cally based or it was somewhere and it was one of those shows where it was like you know 10 different rap groups and we would just do you know two songs and i'm obviously i don't

remember who else was on the bill because rap and duke was you know, the main event. We did a, we did go somewhere in Jersey maybe, and a limo picked us up to go to the show, and then it stopped to pick up just ice, and we drove in a limo out to Jersey, and we were blasting like, Leis Zeppelin, he hated us,

and he got a ride with someone else back home. A lot of stuff like that. I live with stories like that. Now, I live with stories like that. kind of the elephant in the room is based on just assuming I thought groups of

average white band's Tina Marie's caliber was a once in a 50 year occurrence I just assume that you guys rapped that you had to have been Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican. Okay. That's what all right. So the story is that

you guys you guys made a you guys made a you guys made a stop in Philly during your tour. And I had the cassette of License to Ill. So there was no like inside sleeve or anything. And there's no pictures of you guys. And shout out to Don Robinson.

This is the ninth grade. We meet you guys. You guys are staying at a hotel on like 16th in Locust in downtown Philly. So like school's letting now, obviously like our let out time might have been your lobby call to get to the spectrum. And as we're walking home from school, you, it was you and, uh, uh, yeah, we didn't see Mike. We shook your hands quick. And, um, Don was like, yo, I didn't know they were white. I was like, no, they're not white.

They're Puerto Rican. He's like, no, I think they're white. and there was a listening booth like a block away and we had like a you know you know the one smart guy that works at the record store I don't you would have been that guy getting him it's you but we go there and his name is mark and we're like mark hand us the license to ill album and it's the inside gatefold and don's like look on the inside look at them they're clearly white i don't know man i think they're Puerto rican and he's like dude and he pulls out the thing he's like Harwitz that's a Jewish name and the whole time I was just like yo I didn't know they were white I mean at the time were you guys aware that you were in even though yes I know that there were pioneering hip hop artists of all ilk and all cultures and backgrounds in in the game of hip hop but as far as being marketed to us we thought that hip hop was was a black guy's game, a brown guy's game sometimes.

But at the time, were you guys aware of it? Do you think that Russell was aware of it in terms of like you not being on the album cover, those things? Certainly wasn't the thing about marketing. And I was, you know, I was a dumb teenager, so I wasn't really sort of wise to the, to the ways of the world and how, you know, white people have been doing this for a very long time. And so I wasn't aware of like, Russell being like clearly in his mind, he's like, this is what's going to catapult all of my other artists.

Do you know what I mean? This is unfortunately the game that has to be played to get the white people out there so then I can get Rundee MC and Houdini and all my other groups out there. I don't know that Russell ever saw us artistically as the thing that's going to propel him. You know, as I grew up, I clearly understood that. but we came from a background of all types of music and all types of people growing up in, you know, Greenwich Village in New York, there's kind of everything for you. There's everybody and everything. And the interesting, you know, thing that I was going to say is very inspired by the clash. And the clash kind of did what we did, right?

And we did it because they did it. And so they took reggae and they played reggae music. The thing that I was just amazed at. And I don't think a lot of people note it is that, you know, you guys could have easily played the caricature card. But you didn't, you know. You're pretty sure we did. Like, what do you? You could have, I mean, you could have played.

For a while. What do you mean? Like, for me, you guys never came out trying to sound black. You know what I mean? Like you sounded like your voice is clearly your voice. I just, my 13 year old self would not think instantly that white people can rap as good as black people do. But I will say that, you know,

you guys could have easily cashed in on the, because there are groups after you, the white boys, like people kind of cashing in on the novelty of, being an outcast in hip-hop, but y'all never played that card at all. Like, you were naturally yourselves, and you just made dope music that, you know, was pioneering to death. So y'all could have did that, but y'all didn't.

And I think that's kind of why, like, the respect was always there. You know what I mean? I just didn't know, but we, you know, we just really love the music. So we weren't trying to make fun of the music in any way. I clearly knew that. Yeah, I clearly knew that. We never thought that rap was a novelty. Do you know what I'm saying? It wasn't like, oh, it's funny, let's do that. We love it. Let's try to see if we can do it.

And when we first started doing it, I just wanted to sound like Jimmy Spicer. And so I was doing that thing where I wanted to sound like a specific somebody. And that changed very quickly because I don't sound like that. Was your voice something developed over time? Or was that the first, like, how did you get to the voice that is the, the iconic voice that you rap with. Was it something you worked on or was it just what came out? I think it just

came out, yeah, because at first I tried to sound like a baritone Right, but your speaking voice is lower, clearly. Yeah, I just, something happens when I start yelling. Just goes up in October 2, yeah, there you nailing, air quote, the voice, you nailing that, that's some rare shit. Because, like, again,

it took Chuck D an album to really get into Chutti space. Like there's very few people. You nailed it. Q-Tip nailed it. All right. So I was going to start. I was trying to start a band in the 90s called the nasal tongues. Me and Q-Tip and MC Milk and Be Real.

Be real? Yeah. And it was one of those things like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do it. We should do it. And then it never happened. Ah, okay. Well, I mean, you did a song with milk. Yes, I did.

So I have a theory, especially when it comes to hip-hop music and soul music, which is, I feel like most of the time, acts are not living in the studio to really know what their sound is. It's like, we got an hour. Let's get in. Let's get out. One take, we're done. Whereas you can tell who had time to, like, Prince obviously had all the time in the world to figure out what a sound. is and all that stuff, which is why he's so developed. I'm certain Michael Jackson's budget, same thing, allows that.

But there's a lot of groups who had to be in, had to be out. So in general, like, were you guys, like, living in the studio, were you always, like, demoing stuff for, because even when it comes to the chemistry of the delivery, like the whole tug-of-war play between you three, like, how are you guys developing that? Well, there's a few things. One, the thing that can't just comes to mind now about our voices is that the three of us, it's kind of like siblings and you have to fight for your space. Do you know what I mean? Right.

And so we're trying to each try to fit in and be louder than the other one or try to make ourselves fit, fit in and stand out, if that makes sense. That could be bullshit. I don't know. No, that's what I think. I think you found a high register that obviously y'out can't do. What we used to do is we would go to Mike's apartment. And we would just write rhymes over an instrumental of whatever. We would just listen to whatever it was over and over,

whether it was our song, a demo of a beat that we had or a beat that I made or some other record that we just listened over and over again, and we would write rhymes and write them. And then sip through them and pick what we liked. And then we would put three copies altogether and underlined who was going to say what. So we knew and we would practice at Mike's apartment. Aha. Okay.

I mean, we also just tried to copy run the MC, you know, Fearless Four and all the, you know, all the greats, you know. Well, I've heard a demo of, uh, I think I heard a demo of looking down the barrel of a gun in which all three of you are saying the same things. So I always wondered, like, was it the thing of also punching in? Like, would you all just say the same verse in the way that you would say it and then decide? Not that I remember that might have happened, but the only time I remember was there's a specific song of Paul's boutique grialk is like we got to do it all

three at the same time and me and Mike were like that's a terrible idea well I definitely heard looking down the barrel would come that way where all three of you say it could have been it could have oh no no no no no no overworking underpaid staring at the floor oh stop that train yeah that's the song it's got all three of us it's on yes stop that train yeah all right we I thought it was a terrible idea. And it doesn't matter. It's fine. It's like one minute on the whole album. So when you guys are doing your vocals, are you

doing it all at the same time in the studio together or? Oh, yeah. No, not always, but often. But doesn't that make it harder to get a perfect take? Or you just do it take and then you punch in whatever you have to. Perfect take. That's a perfect take. There's precision.

I mean, that's not something. We always got a perfect. take. What are you talking about? That's not, that's, perfect take wasn't a concern. Making each other laugh was more important. Okay. And so our studio in, when we got our studio in LA, there was like the live room here and the control room here and the pass through was like a phone booth thing.

And it'll be like one of us in the studio, one in the phone booth and one in the live room with a window. It always just, you know, I know. It's fun to do it all together. How many license to ill songs wound up on the cutting room floor? Besides, I'm down. And there's a song that sounded like a reverse PSK. I think it's called scenario.

Yes, scenario, which is going to move. Who's controlling the drum machine on that? Might have been yoke. Okay. You got to understand. There's BC boys fans that like listening to the music. music annually, whereas I get that you recorded and you probably haven't heard it since. It was made 40 years ago.

Also, it's, you know, in life, you remember what you did, or more important, you remember what you didn't do. Got it. You know what I'm saying? So I remember if I didn't do something. Like, I didn't program that beat, so I know that I didn't. Who did? I don't know.

Yeah. Probably. Yeah. musically were you allowed any input on license to ill as far as like what you wanted to it felt like when rick wasn't there we got to have fun and do stuff so what songs were those mr ed you know like all of the weird little bits and pieces that's us having fun on the title track got it got it oh wait there's one other song that's not on that record that was a public enemy song that wasn't going to get used that we recorded at electric ladies

land that was terrible and I think it might have been cold lampin and it was like flavor gave it to us and then oh we also oh i was going to say we also did slow and low but we ended up using that um but yeah we did cold lampin or one of those flavor songs that they ended up they used so initially that was going to you guys they i guess they recorded and didn't like it and then they were like you guys have it and we recorded and it was so bad that they must be like yeah well don't just take it out. It's really bad. Oh, I got to find that, motherfucker.

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but the threat was that if we didn't record an album that Russell was going to get some producers to put our vocals, which I don't know what vocals he was going to use, to this new music called house music that people were into. And he was going to put out a record called White House. It was going to be huge because people really like this new house music thing. Really?

Oh, no. Yeah. Okay. Sounds great. I see. Okay. That's interesting. Well, yeah, I heard Desperado, but that's...

That's not house music. Far from it. Yeah. I just remember that Jungle Brothers had a song called House Music all night long. So good. He wanted you to cast in on that. All right. That's crazy.

So your time in Los Angeles... because you guys were the first to really experience hip hop success, how jarring was it to be not only hip hop successful, but like worldwide level of success? In hindsight, was it more of a burden? Or was it just like something you didn't care for? No, it's fucking crazy. I mean, this shit just, it really happened quickly.

I don't know how to sort of explain it. It's like you go to a party and you wear like earmuffs. And everybody, the party's like, whoa, those earmuffs are cool. And then you're like, okay, I guess I'm going to wear earmuffs every day now for the rest of my life because fucking everybody loves my earmuffs. I'm getting paid to wear these earmuffs. It was awesome. It wasn't the plan. It was like we had no plan.

We were also hardcore band. We're a punk band. We're punks. Right. And so we approached rap music as such. You know what I mean? Like we're just doing what we're doing. And other people responding to it was weird enough that all of our shows were like, you know, our 25 friends or people that we sort of knew friends of friends.

Then it got a little bigger. And then all of a sudden, like we're on tour with Madonna. We're like, whoa, shit, that's crazy. We'd come home. And then all of a sudden we're on tour opening for Run DMC and Timex Social Club. it's like this massive thing and then so we're like okay I guess we're this massive thing now

and so when the record came out it was fucking huge we're on the cover and the newspaper in England every day it was like crazy I don't know how I don't know how people do it I don't know how solo artists do stuff like that because it seems so crazy and you have people

that like all these people love you but just as many people are like fuck you you suck who do you think you are at the time was the just the constant worship and being a goldfish or in a goldfish tank, was that tiring at the time? Yeah. I mean, it got weird. It's a hard call because a lot of people are saying they love you and you're great.

That's not bad. That's good. In theory, right? So you have that with you. And so it's nice. People like what you do. That's great. But the other stuff that comes with it and interviews and, you know, busy, busy schedule and all of that stuff, that's not something that anybody's used to, but we didn't sign up for all of that sort of stuff.

I wasn't aware of how you guys were perceived in the press. I wasn't deep on the press until, like, check your head. You know what I mean? So, you know, if you weren't in writing, you know, if you weren't in writing, on magazine. Right. I wouldn't know too much. I think once I heard you guys made it.

We weren't right on a magazine. No, I know. That's, I mean, that's how I'm aware, but was it was the press contentious of you guys during the, all right.

So 1987, license to the ill. It's growing really fast, right? Right. We're going to go on tour in the UK. This is in our book. Beast of Boys book available now at your local.

I've read the book. So we're coming. And they're writing articles about us in the newspaper, not magazines. I'm talking like the cover of the sun and the... The sun and the globe. Okay. And they had a parliament meeting should they allow us to come because we're these awful people. Like word has gotten out now that we're like the sex pistols.

We're like fucking up the youth of America. You know, we're like death metal music that's going to do whatever. Isn't that the rocker's dream to be parents' worst nightmare? That's the record company's dream. So it's all building and building and we're on the cover of the newspaper and everything we're doing and we're feeding into it because that's what we're getting attention. You know, you're like a kid. People are paying attention how you pick your nose. So you keep picking your nose that way because people love it.

So we're doing it and doing it, not to let us off the hook. I'm saying we are responsible. We all are for what we do. But it's building and building and building. it so when we finally get to England and we're playing our shows, they start getting fucking weird and tense and different. And then we play a show in Liverpool and basically everybody there, not everybody there. A lot of people there are like singing football songs. It's like hooligan shit. They're throwing beer bottles at us. They're like, fuck you. You say you're the shit.

You say you're tough, but you're nothing. And beer bottles are raining down in us and we're like, okay now it's gotten to be too much so you're saying the audience was going there just to heckle you more than heckle yeah because we've already told everybody and we've become this thing and like we're definitely responsible for saying the things that we said and doing the things we do but like it caught fire in terms of press and newspapers and all this shit and was like way out okay I didn't know that was with the fan I thought it was the press I didn't know it was like like I went to jail for a few nights. It was like fucking crazy.

It sucked. But at this time, for the first time ever, I had some money. It was nice. Got it. Okay. So was there an official meeting of the creative direction of what Paul's boutique should be? The official meeting was me out of a mic being like, we got to get the fuck away from Rick from Russell. I was like beginning and end of it.

So you don't think, had you been on Def Jam, you guys wouldn't have made an album as adventurous? There's no way. Absolutely no way. Well, I mean, even they imploded in, what, 88. So Rick... They all fell apart at the same time. The whole thing fell apart at the same time. Right.

And Rick and us and Russell. Russell and Rick, all of us. Okay. So I take it that you guys met with the Dust Brothers and whatnot. Well, the legend is that. One of you heard some tracks at a party. Was it you? That was me, yes.

Okay. I went to some weird Hollywood party with a friend, and these guys were there just kind of in the back outside, listening to a cassette tape with demos that they made. And so it was like crazy beats and instrumentals and all samples and stuff, and I was just like, what the hell is this? And one of them was this guy, Matt Dyke, who eventually started Delicious Final.

Delicious Final, right. We met a couple of years earlier because he flew us to L.A. to put on a show at his club. He promoted a show, which was a very pivotal moment for us. Why was that pivotal? So he flew us down to this club Power Tools, which was like a club, like a well-known club here in history books of L.A. And we play the show, like all the like hipsters are there. And we come on to do the show. and the first 808 that kicks in, boom,

and it's like, and the speakers are dead. And that's beginning and ending the show. 808 was just too much for the speaker system. Mario Caldato goes over to Matt Dyken. He's like, this is a fucking joke. I got my own PA system. I'm bringing it next week. You're hiring me to do sound.

He does it. That's how Mario C comes into the fold? He does it, and he ends up being the engineer for Delicious Vinyl, for tone low, young MC, all those records. And then we work together forever. Side note, Steve, you know the roots of reputation for being the loudest band in music at 100.

And I'm talking Richard Nichols era, like 138 dbs, like way above the legal limit. Like our faces plastered on every sound system's company, like the post office is like, do not rent systems to this guy. as I said, everything we've ever learned in life we learned on tour at the Beastie Boys, probably the most important thing we learned was the importance of

sound mixing and how important bass is to a concert. So I will say the first two years of the roots and the whole folklore of, oh my God, you guys are so incredible in concert. What we learned on that tour was if you guys are loud and the sound is pristine.

Like for us the sound, most people would say an audience waving their hands in the air is the sign of like, you made it. For us, the sound was, the sign was if their hands were covering their stomachs. Like, I can't take this too much bass. Then that was like pretty much we learned. So I will say that for the most part,

Mario would let me on the soundboard to help co-mix with him and learn. So learning live engineering was, that was my crash course in that. So it's kind of weird to, so you guys break in a speaker is what brings Mario to the fold. Oh, yeah. That is some crazy shit, man. Wow. After that tour, then that's when we became like serious about everything we ever done. So I believe that you guys revealed to me

That the Paul's Boutique album Was not sequenced in a way that traditionally You would sequence Hip-Up album at the time But that you guys basically looped Everything on individual tracks And that's how the album was made Did I ask that correctly in a way that you understood

How I asked the three things One, I don't know that I understood the question. The question, right. But second, I was really high at that time. I was just smoking just so much pot that I don't, I wasn't dealing with the, you know, fine tuning of that type of stuff. Right. The Dust Brothers, that's all they did.

They went to school for computer stuff. So they were very involved. That was like their thing was like, we control the board. Not like how it gets mixed, but like in terms of how. how the samples are getting, you know, right, how to the job physically, how they're getting put onto tape, they were doing that.

So I would be really involved with that. I would make beats here and there. I would, you know, write the lyrics and have my input or whatever, but they were really the ones that did that. Okay. I was told that every sample on Paul's boutique, like for instance,

sounds of science, that everything would just get, like you would start with the drums and then try to match each sample to the drums, but basically instead of, okay, the opposite of that is when talking to public enemies engineer whose name I'm forgetting right now

that made a nation of millions. Basically, in making a nation of millions, the best example, of course, is not to live in bass heads, like literally, there's a tracking sheet that accounts for every bar that happens in that thing. So literally, like, they write it out as a science experiment.

Like, all right, third verse, planet rock sample comes in. This, you know, this salt and pepper snippet comes in at exactly bar 78. Right. We tuned down 85 beats p.m. for Bowies. Whatever. Yeah, like, it's completely detailed, souped and nuts, and executed as such, and pre-EQed. So they barely did any EQing on them. They did all the pre-work.

Whereas I was told that for this album, you guys weren't like, okay, only on this, when this baseline comes in on verse two, we'll program it. No, it's just like we will loop everything as is, and then we'll automate it that way, which is a harder way to make a record. In other words, if there's 16 tracks,

Am I saying it right? I knew drum machine. I can use a drum machine, right? Okay. And I can program drum machine, DX, DmX, whatever the thing is. I've been doing that for a long time for a while, a few years. The license to I know there's a lot of tape loops, right? And that was-

NICSincenzo, see who I was talking about. Sorry, Nick. Shout out to Nick Sansa. And so that was tricky to get those things lined up. And I remember the Dust Brothers had all the shit lined up. It seemed very, magical. And then they had a computer. So I was like, I don't know what,

I didn't understand what computers did. So like that it was, the music was coming out of a computer. It was fascinating to me. I was like, is that like craftwork? I don't understand what that means. I didn't have much to do with it. And, you know, so I can't answer the questions of the specifics

of how those tracks were made because I kind of sort of dipped out when it came to that. But a reaction, to that was for the next record I was very very involved in terms of I got a SB200 and I got I didn't like

that I wasn't able to touch everything. So you were in a studio in which engineers would not let you? No no I didn't understand it. I didn't understand computers so I didn't know how to do it. You know what I mean? And Yauk understood

tape loops and me and him knew drum machines he knew tape loops from working with the Latin rascals. All right, so can you explain, I'm still trying to understand when you guys talk about looping, when the levy breaks for rhyming and still and how you had to have a pencil over here and tape around the room, like exactly,

what is that process? Like, I've never seen that done. Is that, are you saying to me that's the only way that you could loop something? Okay, so if music is on, a tape, not like on a tape. And say the tape space where it goes around, the loop that it goes around in the actual machine, say that's like, whatever, like four inches of a loop from start to finish, right?

And you take the piece of music, but that piece of music is actually like a bar of music that's like 6.7 inches. So you can't just play it in the tape loop. You can't play it in the tape machine. So some of it has to come out of the tape machine to go. back into the tape machine. It needs that extra space. You're creating the loop.

So you just make the bigger loop than it is on the actual machine. And this requires, like, the entire room of the studio? No, just some space, some good space, good amount. Are you there for when rhyming and stealing is

being crafted? Yeah. And I feel like, if my memory is right, we just handplayed the kicks and snares. Could be wrong, but I definitely remember hand-playing kicks and snares on a bunch of songs. Okay.

I see it. I'm sorry. I have to also just visualize it. I get very over-analytical with this stuff. What were your feelings after the mastering session of Paul's Boutique? You know, I didn't actually say that I was a musician until into the 90s. Right. Like, I didn't know that was my job. I was still whatever.

early 20s, right? I was 89. I was what, 22, 23, 23. Right. So I'm just still winging it. I'm just going like, we live in L.A. now. I can drive a car. I've got cash.

I can get pot and sandwiches. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not really thinking, like, this is my career path. And I just assumed, like, oh, we put a record out and then we'd go on tour, I guess, because that's what people do. That's what we did last time. we got to make sure i don't know i didn't really give it a thought of like i've never particularly given a thought of like demographics to sell to or to cater to or how record sales

are going to go or any of that stuff yeah but i mean part of you had to get some sort of goosebumps shit like yeah this is some shit like no one's making shit like this i'll tell you this so for our book i wrote this short chapter called i uh short chapter called i hate de la soul. Okay. Right. And so when the record was all set and done and we're ready to go, fucking three feet high and rising came out.

Did you know that was coming down the pike at all? No, I don't know. I mean, I knew who they were. I listened to their 12 inch a lot. Right. Or the two ones they had out. And I was, uh, I was like, this is way better. So I was, you know, that didn't like, didn't ruin my day.

I'm just saying it was a sort of, in a way, I thought that we had done this weird thing that no other rappers that did. We made like this huge medley at the end of the second side that's, you know, it's like a Beatles. Yeah. Right. And like no one's done that on a rap record. So we did all these things that we thought that were different.

And so we thought it was cool. And right when the record came out, I went to Tower Records and they didn't have any. Okay. And I was like, oh, this is weird. Because also, because the Tower Records was like 10 blocks from the record label. Right. Like, can't someone just walk over with a box to sell? It just sort of died early.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you're. need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either.

We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield. And in this new season of The Girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands.

I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast.

What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Wadam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come. Look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet.

Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be...

Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East-West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits, teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises

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This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Were you at all impressed with the lead review from Rolling Stone at the time? I don't read reviews, so I don't know. So you did not read the lead review of Paul's Boutique when it came out? Careless. Seriously, I'm paying rent off this stuff. I get it.

I get it. You say about my music, I don't care. You're not the person who's buying the records. You get it for free. No offense to anybody, I'm just saying. Are you aware that it existed? And are you at least aware that nothing? I'm aware that existed because we probably did a photo session for it.

That's the extent of an in any other. I'm just saying that, you know, it was really hard for mainstream hip hop to get any sort of like real critical attention, like deserved critical attention. And normally, you know, at least. that particular era of Rolling Stone, most guys born in the early 40s or whatever, it was hard to impress them.

Like, they got Nation of Millions. And they were kind of really iffy on anything else that came down the pike. So, you know, for Paul's Boutique to get a lead review was like a major big deal. And, like, I didn't even look at the stars. Like, I held the hand over the review. as I was reading. And I was like, yo, I've never seen a glowing, I mean, besides the village voice, which,

you know, if you're kind of under the mentorship of the leader of passing job, Robert Krista gal, then, you know, that's a certain level of writing. That's just, you know, some of the greatest writers under the village voice. But that review was like poetic. And for me, like, that was the first time in which I felt like, yo, I was. want to create and you know the roots didn't exist yet but it was almost like yo i could create something and get a glowing review like like this i mean i wasn't in the jaded like fuck critics and but for me that was like a big fucking deal for you guys to get a glowing review that's usually reserved

for like a certain act but it wasn't because of the act like i think they had knives out ready to crucify you guys. And it was like, holy shit, they're artists and like knives down and it wound up being the opposite of that. So that's amazing that you weren't even aware of that. I'm sure I was aware of it and probably our managers. You know what I'm saying. I just mean in terms of.

They were happy, but you didn't care. In general, I don't, I've always looked at it like coming from a punt, you know, upbringing, right? they're not Rolling Stones not giving a huge review to the germs or to the slits or Eddie Bo or any anybody that like I

I'm trying to think of anybody's names that like they're not giving Prince Jasbo isn't getting a lead review or whatever. A lead review is like a big review and then there's other reviews is that what that means? Yes. Meaning like here you, hear you. This is some life changes shit right here is which

and because I guess we you're saying that we got a good review nobody bought the record so what does it matter I brought that record damn it thank you have you guys at least changed your feelings towards it I know that oftentimes if something doesn't work you tend to cast it to the side like in your canon

if there's one album that has to represent your life's work like what is that album? that's the last record we made well it's too it's hello nasty and the last record we ever made so for you hot sauce committee the last record we ever made isn't like our best record but i can understand for sentimental reasons with yalkin it was like full circle because as a band we played all the music on the record all the samples it was like sampling and all of the stuff and we did all of it we weren't sampling other records so it was like full circle for a lot of different things But basically, Paul's not even close to your, that's just under the inside the storage unit, like it's not important to you.

Well, no, I think it's great. There's definitely some lyrics on there that I'm like, I would, you know, that are fucked up that I would, you know, still in a sort of 80s mentality. Do you know what I mean? I get it. Well, just as a piece of work, man. Just except the flowers, you know, that. Well, thank you. That almost goddamn life.

You can't go back and change things, but you can't. go forward and change things. So I fully understand that. How was it introduced to incorporate live musicianship for the Check Your Head record? And just how much different than that was besides the actual outcome of Paul's boutique versus Check Your Head? What was the goal? I'd have fun. You know, it's similar, I guess, from starting to rap, from, you know, playing hardcore,

playing punk music to rap music, we didn't go on a big tour for that record. We played, we did a tour of maybe six discos. I don't know. It was such a bad idea. Literal disco. And it was when Biz's second album came out,

and that's all we listened to was Biz's second album. It was so good. The diabolical Miss Margie. Yeah. It's so good. And we did a promotional thing where we took a train from New York to Philly or Philly to D.C. with Will Smith. It was just like, what are we doing? What are we doing?

What's happening? Right. And so we just, we had these apartments in L.A. We were having fun there, making friends. And, uh, Yowk was just like, oh, I bought a drum kit at a garage, a yard sale. Mm-hmm. And so I set up this, this, uh, shitty drum kit in my bedroom. And I had a guitar and an amp.

And Yowk was just like, I'm going to, do you have a Wawa pedal? And I was like, I actually do have a Wawa pedal. He's like, all right, I'm going to come over tomorrow with my bass. And Mike's going to come over and we're just going to play music. And because Mike plays drums. Right. I was like, okay. And then that just, that's how it started.

And then we- Is Yalk always the lighthouse or the sort of anchor that starts whatever ideas next? No, he was the like taskmaster. Like he could get it done. Like everybody has like ideas like, oh, should, we should do this. But Yaku's like, yeah, yeah. He'll figure out how to do that in two hours. Yeah.

So went from we should be a band to. Yeah, no, tomorrow we're a band. You know what I mean? It was like tomorrow, this is what we're doing tomorrow. This isn't just an idea. This is what we're doing. We want to go back to a year before. We were all living together at this house off of Mahalhan Drive.

and Mike drove his car through the front gate, this wooden gate. And so Mario Caldato had a friend, this guy, Mark Nishita, who was a carpenter, who also played keyboards. He came and he fixed the gate. And then the year when we started playing, Mario was like, you should get my friend Mark to come and play keyboards. And it just literally, that's like the next day. And then it just started. So whenever a disaster happens, someone crucial. in the development of your sound enters the fold.

Nice. So eventually you guys wind up platinum status, newfound fan base, back in arenas. Can you explain basically how that journey starts? There's just like every day is just, oh, this is happening. Like, I don't think you can plan a comeback or I didn't necessarily call it come back because you guys were a consistent part of my listening. So I never once felt like

a lack of Beastie Boys, even though I know there's a difference between 9 million units and 500,000 units. Well, I guess we learned a thing of like, um, we severed ties with our manager, who was the one during the Paul's Routique thing who had us play at the discos and the train with Will Smith. Right. And we got a new manager who's still our manager, John Silva. of. Yep. Silver is still wrong with you? Oh, yeah.

Damn, son. We met him because he was Sonic Youth manager. Right. And Mabana's manager. And this is before Nevermind came out. And we went and had like brunch, like a Hollywood brunch with him. And he was like, I'm not sure that I want to do this anymore. I'm thinking about moving to San Francisco and working with my brother.

We're like, okay, that seems very un-Hollywood. And so that's what we liked about it. And then we ended up pursuing him and then he became our manager. And he approached it more like something that we understood in terms of his background as a punk rock background. And he was just like, you got to play shows. Just play shows. And so we got back into that. And the thing of like actually enjoying being on tour as opposed to license to ill, it sucked after a while.

It sucked pretty quick. And then on tour, you know, in in 92. was really fun and different. It was a whole different scene. We were playing clubs, punk clubs, and wherever. It was just, it made sense. Got it. Got it.

I didn't know it was going to get bigger and bigger, but it did. So second time around it felt better for you? Oh, definitely. It's December when we're talking. And my birthdays in January, you know what a really cool gift would be? What? Are you able to locate every last issue of Grand Royal Magazine? You're going to have to talk to Mike about that

I hate you right now Come on dog Your history It wasn't my thing You have articles In Grand Royal Yeah I was involved in like the first First or second one

But then I lost interest Man I don't have any Latin quarter stories either man I know I was gonna ask There's no Latin quarter stories No Look man I got plenty of ones

Everybody we talk to It's like the Beastie boys we're at the fucking Latin quarter but apparently... The story's in the Roxy though but not Latin quarters. Ah, fuck. All right. Look, man.

No one enjoys the slow pin to a balloon deflation of any fantasies I have about what life was like back in the day than this guy right here. Grand Roy was great though

because our studio we had in L.A. Because we also on Paul's Wartique, we spent all our money. We thought it was like we were rock stars and we would record these really expensive, we record at these really expensive studios.

And we were used to recording at Chung King, which was nothing when we recorded there. Right. Literally there was like a, there were no lights on. There was a fish tank with dead fish in it. It was like, it wasn't nice. There was no leather couches.

Right. And so we wanted to find spot that we could record at and not have to pay an hourly fee or a lockout or anything. So Mike and Mario found a place out in Atwater outside of LA, in LA, but outside of LA, that was like this little mini ballroom. And we just took over the whole thing. And one room was Grand Royal Records. One room was the magazine.

There were all these little closets that, like, people were working in. And it was a good scene. A lot of creators happened to them. Wait, I have side questions to ask about certain songs. Get it together. Were you guys just in a circle just freestyling every four bars or like, was that, was that a written song? Because at some points, it sounds like y'all freestyling. Yes.

So Mike and Mario made that track. And Q-Tip was visiting the studio and he was hanging out. We're like, do you want to get, you know, do you want to do a song with us? And he was like, yeah. And he was like, give me a mic. I think he was, I don't know if he was serious. And I was something of that. And we were like, oh, we had a track, you know, blah, blah, blah.

So he just freestyled for like a bunch. And so we somehow edited just the parts of his and we waved our way in through him. So somewhere is a bunch of stuff that he said that we didn't use. Oh, just random stuff. And then. Yeah. Ah, so smart. Okay.

That makes sense now. And the biz at that time was. Give me a good biz story, man. First time he came to the studio. He came in. It was nighttime. The area where our studio was at was nothing. It was like there were houses in this one area, but the rest was this big street.

And everything was closed. It was deserted, except for a liquor store, like, kind of over there. And Biz first thing he said was there was a candy store. We're like, what's that? And he's like a candy store. And we're like, is this guy on fucking heroin? like why is he like why does he need candy it's like 11 at night or whatever it was

and so we went to the liquor store and he bought like a bag of fucking candy and then just was like every time we hung out with him was amazing every every time and all he wanted to do was sing weird songs from the 70s and we'd have our instruments and he'd be like do you know how to play yesterday by the Beatles he's like you know yesterday and we're like what And he's like yesterday by the Beatles. We're like, yeah, we know that song.

And he's like, do you know how to play it? I'm like, I don't know how to just play yesterday off my head. And he would just start singing it. And it just, we've got a lot of tape of biz just being biz. Bugging out, yeah. Yeah, biz is probably the second person to whom my pop culture hoarding addiction. and he started that shit. Yeah, an old friend of my god,

I'm a rock and shock him robots, like still in a box and he's still mad that Biz never paid him for it. Biz also stole my Funkadelic Rennie on my album. Oh, really? Well, he never gave it back. Never gave it back. Okay. Didn't steal it. He just kept it.

This is something I got to know the long term, and I won't give it away. Again, I insist that you guys like, It's hard doing this interview because the questions I want to ask, I think, are better told in the Beastie Boys book. But the long-term prank that Yalk played on you with the ring, do you still have that ring? No, no, no. Ah, you don't have that ring? I mean, it might be a storage locker of Yauks.

I threw it in a fountain outside of a hotel in San Francisco. Sao Paulo or somewhere in South America. All right. Short version, guys, is basically some random stranger gives Adam a ring. And I guess it's the early 90s. We're in San Francisco doing a record signing for Check Your Head. Right. Now at a Tower Records.

And so there's, you know, kids are lined up. We signed the record and say hi. You know, nice to meet you. Nice to meet. You know, everybody's interesting. It's fun to say hi. And then this one kid comes up Very, very, very long arms

Like oddly long arms Right There's something about him that's weird Maybe there's like Extra amount of piercings or something And he's like, can I give you my ring? No, no, no, no. So I meet this kid that night after the show

In San Francisco That guy who I was like, whoa, that guy was weird Is backstage Talking to him He's like, can I give you my ring. I'm like, no, it's cool. I don't wear jewelry. And he's like, no, it's really important to me. And he was like cornering me and it was getting weird. It gives me this weird ring that was like a hot top of ring. It wasn't like a family creptures. This is like some random thing.

Right. And so I took it and I put it in my bag. And then when I got home to New York, like weeks later, I put it in my shelf in my apartment. And then we're on the train going to play show in Philly and I found the ring in my bag. So I was really scared. Didn't know what happened. I don't know how the ring got in my from the thing to the thing. It's just some fucking weird thing about this fucking ring. They're on an Amtrak and I tell everybody like this thing, this ring that I'm holding is is doing something weird to my life. I throw it down to end of the train. Then I go to the bar, the, you know, the food cart truck area and I get a metro liner sandwich and I come back, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 14 years later, 12 years later, we're in South America and I open my backpack and the

fucking ring is in my backpack. I was telling you, I was shaking, almost crying. And I told everybody, like, telling them about the ring. And the next day, Adam Yao, was like, look, I held onto the ring this whole time. I wish he would have told you that. Dude, the long game. Shit. He went to the end of the train and got the ring and held onto it for years.

And so that is the luck of my life is one of the two lucks of my life. Well, I guess we all have several, but one of the main lucks of my lives, did they have my best friends in my band. So I got to do all of this stuff with Adam and Mike. How, what would have happened if it wasn't for them? you know literally my bandmate played a break on me for 12 years i love that story so much man the best yeah not to i did want to say something my my best best friend since kindergarten noddy and johnny you djy her party every year and i want to say thank you if i haven't

thank you say thank you it means a lot to her not is my heart man that's wait so that party's been going on since like 84 for a long time long time all right so quick back story is basically I found out through this party that the night before Thanksgiving is the biggest bar night in America. I thought it was New Year's Eve. It's not. That's the second biggest bar night. But the night before Thanksgiving is the biggest bar night in America.

And when I moved to New York, I don't know who invited me. I think at the time it was like Rasita Jones, somebody invited me to this party. and it was a private party in a bar, and it was just actors. And, you know, it felt like a hole in the wall thing, but it just happened to be like, oh, the cast of the good wife and the cast of Law & Order SVU

and people from Saturday Night Live. And, you know, like, if you were a New York actor or a New York kind of legend, then you're at this party. And I think at the time, Mark Ronson had started DJing it. So you started first. and then Ronston was next and then I'd started spinning, I think, like 2010.

And what's really weird is that, I mean, we used to go hard. Like I would end and it's like six, seven in the morning, like that hard. And man, Thanksgiving was last week. And I did the party and I'm going all in. and, you know, it's just like, you got a top last year and everyone's dancing. And I'm thinking, I'm like, yeah, man, I'm all right, I made my mark. And I look at my, I look at the clock. And I'm like, it's got to be 2.30 in the morning.

And I look. And it's like 11.09. Perfect time. I, I blew my, I blew my shot. And party wound up ending at like 1.15, which I consider. A major defeat being as though we used to go till six in the morning. But now that's where we are in life, napping early. You're not even a parent.

It's a whole other shit show, man. You don't even have to be up at six in the morning. I do. Dude, I had to do the parade. Oh, that's, well, that's once. One day here. Which is going to ask, I was going to ask, Adam, you have a kid. What is parenthood like when you're the, you know, when you're in the Beastie boy?

But Adam, what is that relationship like with your kid? and how didn't really? Well, it's different because he never saw his play. Right. Because he's 11. It's been a while. He didn't care. You know, natural could really doesn't care.

He likes Catholic. He likes my wife's music way better. He's seen her play. I get it. It's okay. I'm not hurt. I'm not hurt. I'm just angry.

Yeah, I get it. But does he least understand you have history? Yeah, yeah, because the weird dads at school, you know, Or like at the little. Oh, your dad's, okay, I get it now. Yeah. So it's awkward and he doesn't like it. He doesn't like it.

But whatever, maybe when he gets to high school or when he understands it like, you know, because he doesn't like that his parents are famous. And he gets a little older and understands it like he has a swimming pool, like maybe being, it's not that bad. Yeah. Then they get it. Not that bad. A win is a win.

A win. I don't care where you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.

The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford

and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man.

A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves.

Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wodom. My next guest, you know from Stepbrothers, Anchorman, Saturday Night Live and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell.

Woo. Woo! My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet.

Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be.

Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Sliced podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Sliced podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar, this is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in someone, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.

Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Alespian and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police.

As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Ameriopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Leading to Kathleen, first of all, I loved her book immensely. And especially with the story of how you two met and the pullout poster and all those things. but yeah, I was about to say coming from two people that are

sort of cult figures in their respective areas, like how do you make it work? I know that's a general question, but I think I'm more or less asking for advice because you know,

as a person with a career and a person struggling to keep a girlfriend like i mean i don't know i don't i don't know things worked out differently because you know we have this we have our son julius you know my my band stopped being a band you know right before he was born and so i just i love i don't need to you know and kathane tours a lot so we're used to that because we used to tour our first whole part of our you know relationship was us touring you know she'd be on here i'd be there all over the you know whatever but I really like being home.

Are you still in the tender moments when Bridget goes out on the road? No, I left the tender moments. Bridget Everett in the tender moments. I left when we moved it. I left. I left. I was a bass player for my friend Bridget's band. And the first gig of the new bass player of my friend, Andre, was like, oh, man, that new bass player,

whoo. He's doing all these walks and runs, and he's so good. I just finished the SNL 50 documentary. And a big part of that is the Elvis Beastie Boys hookup story. What was the impetus of the idea of you guys doing radio radio together? You know, I don't know. I feel like Kathleen said that it was her idea. So I want to say that it was my idea, but I'm not 100% sure.

I know that I... How long did it take you to learn those keyboard parts? my friend Michael Rohatton taught me how to play. It's my FARFISA. I play keyboards and everything, but I don't actually know how. I never learned, so I don't really know what I'm doing. So he showed me a couple chords. I was really impressed when you ran back there.

I was just like, yo, Adam really knows this shit. I recorded records with that Farfisa back in BC Boys. But anyway, I grew up listening to Elvis Costello. It was like one of my, he's in my top 10, if not top five. Okay. as is with my older brother and sister. And so, you know, Elvis is a big deal. And that performance that he did was a big deal to us.

Saturday Night Live was a big deal to us. And so I don't know. I feel like Kathleen is claiming that it was her idea. But it could have been my sister, Rachel. I don't remember. But it's fantastic. It was one of those things where like I didn't want to meet Elvis because, you know, you don't want to meet people that are of that.

here of that stature to you and uh but we did it was great he was really Elvis lives up to it so Steve one of his lifelong dreams was to produce an Elvis record and so I really thought you're saying Steve naive okay Steve no no Steve Steve has been a long time electric lady engineer so back when I was starting my tenure there like in the late 90s with you know the DeAngelo record and the common all the albums I worked on for that period of time um all this was recorded at electric ladyland yeah de angelo's voodoo comments like water for chocolate and electric circus

and cheregabadou's it was at a real low point in the in the 80s when we were there no man I mean anything that's going through has been legendary and so but Steve's dream was to produce an Elvis record and you know not only that but you really started an authentic friendship with him. Yeah, that's not even true, though. I couldn't dream that big to produce it.

My dream was to meet him. I have him autograph a record. That was my dream. But, yeah, thanks to Quest, it turned into something much larger. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, like, obviously you wanted to do something with him creatively. So, yeah, basically saying Elvis is one of the rare cases in which meeting your heroes can actually result into something. dope. You actually did it and it's done. It's been out. Yeah, it's called Wise Up Ghost. He came out, what,

2013? Yeah, 2013. Yeah, yeah. It's really, it's, it's a quality album and I enjoyed immensely making it. The one thing I didn't get to ask you before we, we pull is at one point, you had a budding acting career. Why didn't you pursue? Now I'm only talk about myself because I won a best actor award at the Turks and Kekos Film Festival. It wasn't actually Turks and Kekos, but it was somewhere. What was this? And I have this statue. They sent it to me.

They said, if you're here, we would love to have you at the film festival. If you happen to be of Turks and Kekos? I didn't have the plans, but you know. So yeah, illustrious is a word that's been thrown out a lot about my academic career. What does creativity mean to you? now in terms of all I mean you know you've achieved a lot

are you insatiable are you fine with it is just day at a time your thing do you make beat sometimes like what do you do? I have in the past a little while but this is why I got this cabin my little studio I come here every day and I made a piece of music

every day a different piece of music so I got a lot of music just to have I don't know but just to be is different from what it used to be, what it is to other people, what it means to me is different. I'm in a fortunate situation that people really like fight your right to party, and so I can afford to just be creative and not put things out. You know what I mean? And my house is paid for. I bought a house.

You know what I mean? And so creativity is different. if I had to hustle, I couldn't just come here and make just weird little music every day. I'd have to fucking work at it and really take seriously what creativity means. What it means to me, what it means to who I'm putting it out to. Will I be able to pay my rent with this fucking music? Do you know what I mean? And if not, I can just be creative with whatever I want, but I have to work a job.

So creativity is tricky. What's your music like these days? What kind of things are you creating? depends on, you know, the drive over. Whatever, if I hear something, I'd be like, oh, I should make classical music today. And then I don't know how to do that. So it comes out with something and I'm like,

oh, I should put an 808 on it. So it'll be way better. You know, like guitar music or whatever. I just, you know, I have the modern era, you can have any instrument you want. So, you know, timpani's, what have you. Got it. Experimenting.

Which is another thing about creativity. If you can afford it, you can be experimental. That's what I aim to be. All right, before I close, can you give me a list? I don't have relationship advice. I really don't.

I'm going another route. I'm going another route. I love Kathleen. That's the only thing that I can, Kathleen's amazing. So I can accept that and I absolutely understand why you love Kathleen. All right. So in closing,

what three hip-hop factoids of your life do you think I not know? of me personally. You had to have been there for an important recording of someone's song or... I feel like I already told you that I was in the background of... It's yours. Yes. I was there is a little thing. I was there for like a bunch of the stuff.

Oh, also, do you know the factoid? My best friend Nadia Dejani, who you DJ, do you know her brother was? Yes. Nadia is her... Her brother was part of the SD50s, the stimulated dummies. Yes. with John Gamble, Dante Ross.

Dante, he's been a guest on your show. Yes. One of the first. One first, a long time ago. You called Dante. You didn't call me. That's okay. Doug.

I've been the best for last. You know how long it took to make this happen? You have my phone number. What are you talking about? I don't know. Oh, by the way, yeah, I was about to say, Adam is probably responsible. None of you two are in it,

but, you know, I'm currently in various New York Times games groups. Oh. I'm in wordal groups, various wordal, but Adams, the OG,

we play one online Scrabble game together. I'm not lying, you. I'm in eight wordal groups right now, and I can't take it anymore. I'm in there are groups for these things. Is it like group therapy?

It is. Oh, especially now? Are you kidding? Like, this is what I can say. one of my wordle groups who also has a secret

spelling bee unit that I'm not a part of. My shit. Okay, so as of late, the lonely island guys have kind of been talking about their prowess at getting Queen Bee, which is the highest rating that you can get.

And so there's almost like a Jets and Sharks, bloods and crips level of shit talking going on really so i'm going to have to do some michael jackson just dance between them and and get them to stop no seriously like game groups are now that's the new game night even though i do have regular as game nights like where are you currently playing right now oh i'm in uh cross for puzzle i do every day i do the monday new york times christmas christmas monday new york times cross for a puzzle. Why Monday? That's the easiest. As opposed to

the Sunday or? I got sick of wordal and spelling bee. Do you connections? That one's tight too. A little of connections, yeah. I get a lot of spelling bee. Way too much spelling bee. It's a lot of spelling bee. By the way, is Queen Bee like you get all the words? Yes, you have to get every last word right. That's

insanity level. I can't do that shit. I've written to the person that does the thing because Tom Tom is There's a lot of that. Words that are like that. And there's other food things that are like that. We're like sake, the wine counts, but like some other thing doesn't count.

Yeah. Whenever I complain to my plug at the times, they tell me that it's the machine generator. And there's no we can do about that. I love that you write to them. That's fantastic. Yeah. I know. Not all.

I did it once. I'm not like. One of the biggest things of my life. was during the Time 100, I got to write the Word Creator's entry for the Time 100. And I used only five-letter

words. Highlight of my life. You got to Google it. I don't know by memory, but I wrote his entry in all five-letter words. Was Farts one of them? No plural. Plurals. Oh. Okay.

Sparty? Yeah. No. No, for real, Adam, you're a legend. that's all I can say, man, without making you feel uncomfortable. Your generosity and your creativity and your band literally did a lot for me just as a creative and also helped me a lot of my career. I mean, I'm not even exaggerating how much that has helped me and still has me here

to this day with a career and my own house. So I thank you for that. And I appreciate it because you guys didn't have to bring us under the wing and all that stuff. But I appreciate that, man. And thank you for doing this episode, finally. Welcome. Thanks for having me. Thank you.

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