The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Adam Levine Part 1

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

Adam Levine sits down with Questlove Supreme in the studio for a spirited conversation. In Part 1, he speaks about some of the dynamics within his superstar band, Maroon 5. QLS also takes a turn for t...he random, as Adam reflects on his musical memories while Questlove and Team Supreme lay out some esoteric music history and debate the truth behind vocal rest. One of Adam's first-ever podcast appearances is interesting, informational, and funny.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-heart podcast. Guaranteed human. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits,
Starting point is 00:00:13 my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, the Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:00:28 So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I bowed. I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players
Starting point is 00:01:31 flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.
Starting point is 00:01:51 I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend is much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far. But I'm John Green, co-hosted the podcast via Way End with my old friend Daniel on our podcast to the away end, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Conky, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1020. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Y'all ready? I hope this joke will well. Here we go. Now it's not. Some. Some.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Some. Some. Suprema. Subrema. Subrema. Superma, sub, sub, subprima role call. Suprema, sub, sub, subprima role call. Suprema.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Some say I exaggerate. Some say I'm hyperbolic. Yeah. Talking to one of my favorite comedian actors from workaholics. Oh, call. Wow. Supriva psychics. Supriva roll call.
Starting point is 00:03:36 Suprema, Subrema, Rocahn. My name is Fonte, and I'm feeling free. Yeah. My favorite songs about Jane since EPMD. Roll car!
Starting point is 00:03:48 Supremia, Subrema, Subrema, Role Car. Supremma, Supremea, Role Car. My name is Sugar. Yeah. When I was 13, my bar mitzvah was filled with Adam Levine.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Supreme Roeca. You just wanted to be a girl car. You just wanted to be a man. Yeah. Suprema. Subrima roll call. I'm unpaid bill. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Perhaps you've heard. Yeah. Why Questlove? Yeah. Dress like Big Bird. Oh. Why do you always go to something? Supreme a roll call.
Starting point is 00:04:28 Supremma. Subm. It's Lai. Yeah. And is it me? Yeah. Adams here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:37 And it's hard to breathe. Roll call. Sub. Supreme. My name is Adam. Supraima, sub-sumra role call. My name is Adam. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:49 I like to go Adam. Yeah. Y'all want hits? Yeah. Yeah, I got him. Roll call. Supriva. Supriva.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Supriamara roll call. Supremma. Subramisa was my favorite. Barbers was good. No, that was it. That was one. I had two one. I had two up and then I let it go.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Good job, Steve. I know, you should leave. See it yet. I'm sorry, Steve, you won. That was amazing, really. Yes, I'm in Big Bird move right now. You look Mohair. You look fantastic.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Yeah, in case you guys missed, I don't know where this episode will fall, but after a Wayne Brady episode of inspiring. Him rocking his mohair. I have an entire Moherst section, which I don't like wearing this because... Of course you do. This tends to also getting the food you eat. So the most beatboxing I do is via when the sweater or the other ones go on. You look great. But yeah, fantastic.
Starting point is 00:05:55 It's not great. I appreciate it. It's great. Always smell good. Adam, talk about smells. And make love. She walked in, I'm like, damn. He's doing.
Starting point is 00:06:02 All right, so this is Questlove, and you host, Questlove, Team Supreme's in the house. We are in person. Woo! I hate the fact that even when we're in person, it feels like a special episode. Yeah. Like, I feel like we had our live soul train period,
Starting point is 00:06:15 and now, like, we're established. We're just all Zoom, lip sync, and, you know, these are far and few between, but not today. I enjoy these. Yeah. It's good to see. It's good to see you.
Starting point is 00:06:27 You're counting that money studios. Yeah. The audience. Yeah. What's what it is, right? Yeah, where we lie from? Count that money. CDM.
Starting point is 00:06:37 CDM. That, we're really in CDM. But I don't think that that's what this sounds. What's the CDM stand for? Count of money. Count of money. It does. No.
Starting point is 00:06:48 It does now. Good to see you guys. Everything's fine. It's great. All right, no one's going out for cigarettes. Our guest today, I guess for the last quarter of century, our guest today, even before that, you know, our three times Grammy Award winning guests are 100 million unit selling guests. That's a lot of... Whoa, PJ Morton's here.
Starting point is 00:07:14 No, he hasn't sold as many units. We got more Grammy. No, but our guests, and his incredible band Maroon 5, have been part of our soundtrack, and plus the way they effortlessly blend pop music and soul music and funk and all various styles of music. Definitely, I will say, beyond a force to be reckoned with just a damn good band. You know, I know you made it.
Starting point is 00:07:44 I fell into you guys the same way that Prince fell into DeAngelo. when you can't get in an event like I've heard of the name Maroon 5 whatever it's like when you guys came out early and you were playing a club in L.A. And that was the first time where I realized like oh this might be a new might be a new day because like I just walked in
Starting point is 00:08:07 like Chris Rock always taught me like just walk in like you're you and you always get let in let me say something if I had known that you were trying to get into our show at that point and couldn't I would have lost my fucking mind No, but it was just no one could get in. It was, you know, when artists want to do that cutie thing where they, like, get the small, and we do it too.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Yeah. That jam session we used to have in L.A. We were perfectly in. No, you want people not to be able to get in. Right. People not, maybe not you, but like most, you know. No, but that's the legend of it. There was one time we did a jam session with Lenny Kravitz,
Starting point is 00:08:38 and Lennie Kravitz could not get into the jam session. Hotel Cafe in L.A. Yes. Right. And there was one point where it was just like, Amir, what if we lose the horn section? Like, trade the band members in so that Lenny and his people could get on stage. And then I was like, okay.
Starting point is 00:08:55 That's very L.A. specific. These guys are a big idea. We listened, Adam, at a Roots jam session. That would have been doing. Yeah. I know we played together before, but. John Fallon? Besides Fallon.
Starting point is 00:09:06 That's the only time? Well, the first time we really did it was Fowlin a million years ago. But I felt like we've, do you remember that there's a lot about that day that was very fateful for me? But do you remember when D. Snyder, like, went at me for, like, no reason? Do you remember that? Oh, wow. That's how all good stories start. Tell this story.
Starting point is 00:09:25 I don't really, well, I don't, to be totally fair, like, I don't fully remember. I kind of blacked out. Like, I don't remember the whole thing because I couldn't believe it. That's how you know you made it. Yeah. So, like, I was doing with you guys. We were singing songs, and I was just, like, on the sideline. So, like, it was weird because, and it was really early in the show, right?
Starting point is 00:09:40 Right. And he was a guest on the show. And I don't know. He was a couch guest? It's not gonna be a great story because I don't remember exactly what he said But he like went at me for no reason like and I was just like sitting on the side with you guys playing and he was like that Talking shit somehow and I kind of stood up for myself and I think that was like he was like oh shit and that that was like a moment You weren't gonna take it I don't remember
Starting point is 00:10:06 Thank you Oh man you're a fire Yeah You're gonna get out of here You're pushing your luck just being here Oh, you should get the fuck out of here. Fuck it. What can I say?
Starting point is 00:10:23 I want to rock. All right, Steve. Steve's on fire. Oh, shit. Dude, I totally forgot that moment. Yeah, it was just a part of the whole thing, a little part of the only, but I couldn't believe he really, like, I wish I could remember what he said. I wish he wasn't had it on tape, but I don't.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Damn. Nothing beloved for him. I, whatever. But wait, is there any truth to the rumor? back when guests were allowed to sit in with the roots, either, you know, I mean, it's just a way to double down on it. Instead of being an actual music guest on the show, you could just play with the roots doing the commercial bumpers.
Starting point is 00:11:01 And that ended, weird enough, after a ill-fated, You God episode. You got phoo-ting? I thought he was all proper now. Oh, no, here's the thing. I love the sit-ins. I love the sit-ins when I'm really, like, at one with the guests. but then there's always like maybe eight or nine guests
Starting point is 00:11:18 that are either kind of switch baits for publicists. So when you got sat in with us to promote his book, you got thought he was also going to be a couch guest. Oh. So, you know, he did the old thing. Like Jimmy does the monologue. Then he walks to the desk and he talks about who's on the show. And then he'll give a shout out.
Starting point is 00:11:40 And sit in with the roost of the day, ladies and gentlemen, you got from Wu-Tang Clan. you got like stood up it's like oh thanks for me and then he like walked over but the way he just walked over and crossed his legs and sat down like started doing this confident I was like oh god Jimmy's just gonna go with this
Starting point is 00:12:00 and sure enough Jimmy he could have just stopped and been like no no I was just introduced to me but he let you guys sit in for like two segments like as Ed McMahon wow wow okay but we were so happy because I was like you know I bet you is going to be a never again moment sure enough damn never again I miss those clips
Starting point is 00:12:19 of the sit-ins well yeah so to artists so artists always ask me can I sit in one y'all sorry dog like you got ruined but for you when you sat in with us is it true that the producer of like he saw that NBC I guess that's what they told me they saw it and then I think
Starting point is 00:12:37 part of it though also was the interaction with what uh Jimmy with Jimmy it was great and it was like we had to thing. And so I think that was what they saw too, is that, you know, me obviously, standing up for myself in front of D. Snyder. Oh, that was the thing. Before the voice. That's what you're saying. We were all kind of rapping, and it was like, okay, cool, that you can handle both. And so I think that's probably what started. So, hey, thanks, guys. Greatness came from that. I probably have the rehearsals from that day. From what day? From the day you sat in with the roots. Oh, yeah, we have all the rehearsals. I could probably send you those. By the way, that was an education. Sitting in with you guys. Wait, can I say your name first?
Starting point is 00:13:13 Adam Louvina is on our show from movie five Yes Yes Yes Okay Sitting in with you guys Yeah talk about that
Starting point is 00:13:23 It was just so fast Because they moved so fast Right So you're like You know We take it The band we barely Practice
Starting point is 00:13:33 It's bad actually No band practices I know But you guys But you guys practice While you're doing While you're performing You know
Starting point is 00:13:39 You guys are so good And so in it That like It's crazy to see But that's the thing. I don't say this much because I don't know how Jimmy feels about it. Because I don't want him to feel like
Starting point is 00:13:49 this is just like a dismissive statement. But for me, us doing that show is us going to the gym. Yeah. Like we've never practiced as a band. Even that time when we really first met when PJ was practicing with you guys,
Starting point is 00:14:05 we've only had like maybe seven of those in our entire 30 year existence because and they're painful when you do have to do them. I don't like to do it. Like, it's not fun to practice. Well, Amiri, you do rehearse quite a bit for special event concerts. Since 2009. But that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Well, that's like the last 15 years. So you were there for the first week. Remember the first weeks of us figuring out, like, what this new life is? We didn't hit a note until an hour in. And that's because I went in the hallway to call Rich. And I was like, yo, what do we do? And he's like, what are you talking about what you do? Just start rehearsing.
Starting point is 00:14:42 And to sit there with just the seven people you're in a band with and rehearsed to me was like It was the hardest thing But it was to see it all in real time because also the way that the show moves Which is so quickly and the segments are the segments you got to feel out You got it's a whole different world than what I was into Well you were easy because some artists will come in and Really not get the concept You know and always explain to them that it's how we end the song
Starting point is 00:15:09 That's important how fast you catch on It's also what, as everybody knows, it's not what you do, it's what you don't do, and it's how you listen. And if you don't do that, it's a disaster, I'm sure, for you. But, yeah, we've had a lot of crashes in which the artist will be like, no, no, let me do that again. I can do it better. I'm like, no, you don't get it. It's supposed to. It's not how this works.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Right, right. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clever Taylor the Fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball. basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.
Starting point is 00:15:49 And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.
Starting point is 00:16:18 So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.
Starting point is 00:16:47 And Rule 2, never mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands.
Starting point is 00:17:13 I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Ego Wode.
Starting point is 00:17:36 My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way
Starting point is 00:17:59 up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Yeah. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL
Starting point is 00:18:45 draft. And we've got a special guest, the director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get
Starting point is 00:19:14 your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars, and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I've known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer... Football. ...is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan.
Starting point is 00:20:01 I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeart. Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What was your very first musical memory in life? Foof. I mean, I know the first record I bought, other than my parents playing music in the car.
Starting point is 00:20:34 Right. Which is probably always the Beatles. This is so funny, but I remember very distinctly buying the Eddie Grant Electric Avenue single. Electric Avenue. But it was like a tick I played the song. Like, my parents were like, I never need to hear the song again. Oh, so what it's not unusual is to John Mullaney. That's what Electric Avenue was to use a kid.
Starting point is 00:20:57 It was like ad nauseum all day long. Please, God, I don't ever want to hear it again. That was a fun song. That was a great song. That song comes on. That song holds up. Dude, Jimmy wanted him on the show to do Electric Avenue. And the first thing he wanted to do, you know, like artists might have that smells like teen spirit moment
Starting point is 00:21:17 or they don't want to do the song that they're known for. Like Bobby McFerrin, like, you know. Yeah, like, I won't do, don't worry about that. Like, play that fucking song, please. And so. Listen to the song and realize what it's about and then realize he should play it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:32 When he came on the show, you remember this, Steve? He wanted to do, like, a different version of it. He wanted to mix it with I don't want to dance, like the other minor hits that. He wanted to do the B-side Time Warp. Yes. Yo, wait. So do you know about Time War?
Starting point is 00:21:47 No. Dude, so time warp is, I didn't even notice this, but we've all heard time warp. Which time warp? So time warp is kind of a song of his that was like a B-side that wound up being, not him going rogue. The only way I can describe it, you know, like, Dog was a donut on Kat Stevens' his record. Wow, that's a good metaphor. That is a deep cut. It's like an instrumental, right?
Starting point is 00:22:11 It is an instrumental. Okay, so. Mr. Encyclopedia. Yeah, right? In 77, Kat Stevens had a synthesizer endorsement deal with the company, of which he promised like, okay, one of these songs, I'll play your instruments on the record. But Kat Stevens ain't necessarily a synth-based artist. He's like acoustic.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Yeah, you don't say. Right. And so basically the penultimate cut, like the song before the album ends, he did a quick little four-minute demonstration song of this new drum machine and whatever. and it actually fucked around and wound up being like a B-boy classic Who you talk about right now? Cat Stevens
Starting point is 00:22:51 Which we're getting back to... Thanks for asking Adam. Let's get to Eddie Grant and then back to that. My mind just exploded. Welcome to Questleafgreen. No, this dog was a donut by... Oh, okay, yeah. Right, which is basically like...
Starting point is 00:23:09 So this is Cat Stevens. That's what you went from. Adam's like, where did we start with this? That's not Cass Stevens. It is. It is. Because he contractually had to make a song up with all this drum machine. That's a weird contractual obligation. He was the first with a lindrum and all that stuff. So he made this shit. And of course, the B-boy community...
Starting point is 00:23:31 Craf work. Immediately picked up on it, and it became a classic, unbeknownst to him. But the same with Eddie Grant. Eddie Grant did kind of an Oberheim synthesizer song called Time Work, which is... He had a foot in that door already, though. The cast even shit is crazy. Yeah. I never heard anything like that in my life from him.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Like, what was that? I want to hear it. I didn't know that was him. Right. None of us knew it was him. You've got to get it. This is the side of Electric Avenue. Fuck yeah, there.
Starting point is 00:24:03 So basically, at Paradise Garage, this became an anthem. And if it's played at Paradise Garage, it also means that at Crocker is also playing it on his radio show. So Eddie Grant wanted to come and do time work. We just came back. We got it full circle. Oh, I'm very there. I'm very focused in the morning. Fuck, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:24 And now the show's over. Thank you very much. Thank you, Eddie Grant. Thank you, Eddie Grant. Eddie Grant really fucked us. Anyway, so you loved Electric Avenue. That's the point. That's the point.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Bam. Wait, he came on the show and wanted to do the B-side. Yeah, which is crazy. Jimmy is always watching. the music guest from his dressing room or his office, because he has a monitor in there. And he tries not to come out and freak out the people that early in the morning. But that's the one time in which, you know, we're like, okay,
Starting point is 00:24:54 so we'll do one verse of Electric Avenue, then we'll do Time Warp in which you're not singing at all. And then Jimmy ran in and it's like, guys, no, I need you to do Electric Avenue. And then at that, he wanted to do like a blues harmonica version of it. Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, that's hard. and that's like, so we had to wrestle him.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Right, we had to wrestle him out of that and just do regular ass. You guys had already, like, sample all the weird little samples in it, all the little keyboard sounds and stuff. Burbson's fring. It's like Ray Parker not doing Ghostbusters.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Some shit like that. True. Yeah, true. So Huey Lewis not doing Ghostbusters. Deep cut. Since we're all music answers here, I will also maintain that, the barcaze,
Starting point is 00:25:45 a group extremely known for being derivative should have really, they should have been the ones that sued Ray Parker. Ray Parker, and only because how come no one has ever brought up Soul, you know Soul Finger by the Barcais? Adam, you ain't know you was coming to class today. Of course we don't. Exactly, of course we don't.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Yeah, that's a dog curse. This is Ghostbusters, for real. It is? Wow. Well, no, I mean, this is the barquees. I know what you mean, but. Yeah, but you get, you're... Yeah, but I'm saying like...
Starting point is 00:26:21 If someone came in and it was like, it's something strange. Right. But what's really odd about it is that the barcaves are probably the most derivative copycat groups in soul history. And they have one original moment that got up.
Starting point is 00:26:34 They have one original moment that could have got him paid. Anyway, so besides Eddie Grant, that was a beautiful tangent, by the way. No, but that's what it's just. I love it. I love tangents.
Starting point is 00:26:45 You as a music nerd. So that was your song. Yeah, that was the first, like, kind of thing I fell in love with and wanted to play over and over and over again. And then thankfully, thank God my parents had good taste in music. So that was a rare thing. I feel like a lot of times you want to rebel against your parents' tastes when you're growing up. But they love great stuff. So my education started there, the Beatles and Fleet with Mac and all those great rock and roller stuff that, you know, kind of shaped me early on.
Starting point is 00:27:12 And I loved it. What did your people do? Were they musicians as well? No. I mean, I still think that being musical is something you have to kind of unlock. Like, and that's a lot, I think that there are people out there. There are people who think that they're unlocked that this should not be. People who, I think more people out there can sing and be creative and play music that don't think that they can.
Starting point is 00:27:35 I do believe that because it has to come from somewhere. And I know that both my parents, and they would be reluctant to say, can sing. They just don't sing and they don't think that they can, you know, like, but I've never heard. It's not a muscle they use. You know what tone deaf sounds like. Absolutely. And either one of them are. So there might have been something in there and, you know, if I had gone another way, maybe I wouldn't have discovered it about myself, you know.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Do you remember the first concert you went to? Ooh. Yeah. Don't want to do. I do. I don't want to talk about it. Come on. This is your Bay City Rolls moment.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Good. All right, right. So remember. Everyone has a beginning. Of course. And by the way, like, I'm not as embarrassed as I'm selling. So it was in 1990. New kids on the block.
Starting point is 00:28:19 All right, good. My mouthfucking does they say the same thing. Oh. Come on. I wouldn't see new kids on the block. I'm like, what you're saying? No, we were supposed to hate them because we were 10 and all the girls liked them and shit. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Now that we do. We were supposed to. I was 10 or 11 and I was really, really, really into like the hair band shit. Because that was it. That was pop music. I'm Jovi. No. No.
Starting point is 00:28:43 I wish. Real hair bands. Yeah. I went to see Warrant. Yeah. Wow. Dog. I knew you were going to say Jamie.
Starting point is 00:28:50 No, Warren. Yeah, Jenny Lane pie. This was actually, I think this might have been like either pre-cherri pie. I think it might have been like dirty, rotten, filthy, stinking rich was the album that was big with like some deep shit that like I was like. All right. I went to go see him at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium with my dad because I wasn't fucking go alone. I was 10, you know. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:12 And I just remember going there, and I will never forget just the scene was so crazy. And then the hairspray and, like, crazy. And then they played, I can't say that they were very good. But it was so impressive just to hear sound come out of a PA loud in your face, and I had never really heard that. So I was just like, wow. But I remember the worst thing about the show that we'll never forget was the drummer did a drum solo. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Yo, let me tell you what this guy did. Okay. Because you can't even make it up because it's so 80s. You can't even make it up. The dude, they like put the spotlight on him. And he like stood up and like. You start body rolling. He made rolling into the kick drum.
Starting point is 00:30:00 And girls are screaming. It looks crazy. He didn't do anything else. Come on in here. Next root show. Come on, man. Let me get it. Dude, but Corinne.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Stand up. I'll never forget it. Charisma goes a long, long way. Because the thing is, right now, oh, God, I hope this one will come off run. Right now, I'm watching a whole slew of Verdeen White. Oh, yeah, my man. A bass solos of Earth, one in fire.
Starting point is 00:30:33 And because I witnessed that in real time as a kid, yo I thought was the most amazing shit I ever seen like he would do like all this theatrical thing but he basically was only pressing one note like he would just press e
Starting point is 00:30:50 and like but he put so much theatrics and he'd do like e and then like it was like the earthquake of that and then he was like all right I'm gonna do this again and we're and
Starting point is 00:31:02 and then fall on the ground and then he would And then we E, E, E, E, but then suddenly he would start levitating and floating all in the, you know, because they had like Doug Henning
Starting point is 00:31:18 and David Copperfield like on staff to do the magic shit. And I realized like, wow, Verdeen White just did one-note samba. Right, a four-minute one-note thing and I thought it was the greatest shit on it. But for the record,
Starting point is 00:31:33 that sounds way doper than what I'm talking. Not if a mere did the body roll It was too long How long was it? It seemed like an eternity It seemed like it was so young For me to think it was lame was crazy I was like play the drums, please
Starting point is 00:31:53 Do some of it But yes, the showmanship of course The showmanship is a part of it And it was like I'm still talking about it 30 million years later Right It had an impact Well see I didn't put myself in the corner
Starting point is 00:32:04 because every gospel drummer thinks like I trash there. Look my no-hands method that now I feel like I can't even go there. And then, of course, Chris Dave has his eccentric thing with every drummer following his thing. So now it's like even if I wanted to get back into the showman. That's basically why Stros here. Like I don't feel like so. Anderson kills it too on them drums the way he gets up and does his little theatrics too. I got to bring theatrics back.
Starting point is 00:32:33 All right. My Ike Turn and Whig. It's a really good question for the both of you is like in your situations and anybody in entertainment, I guess, how much to, what that mixes between showmanship and musicianship, yeah. I overthink it. I mean, for me, because Kirk as a guitar player is so theatrical, I'd rather. And, you know, we. Right. But it's just like everyone else is so theatrical.
Starting point is 00:33:02 I don't feel the need to just add on top of, like people know I'm there, and I'm fine with that. So basically, but as a band, you're blending showmanship and musicianship as a whole. I think we're at our best when we're not doing shit and we're all just playing together as a unit, which is not as impressive as, say, you know. Might if I kiss your ass for a minute?
Starting point is 00:33:24 No, good, good. But I think what makes you so special is that you don't have that. You don't. Right. It's what I don't do. You want to take the extreme opposite with the dude I'm talking about
Starting point is 00:33:35 this shit. Like, he needed that. So you too, Adam, the question that Steve asked, right? Like, how do you figure that balance out? What's crazy is, like, the showmanship thing has always felt kind of secondary because,
Starting point is 00:33:50 and we've existed in a weird space where, like, there's a lot of pop, pop stuff, and we're a band. So, like, at the end of the day, we're kind of a very, like, normal, you know, five-piece, well now six piece band and so we've never felt like we actually fit in anywhere and so performing has always just been very straightforward for us like the music leads first a showmanship thing
Starting point is 00:34:11 i'm working on my whole life you know as far as being a good front man and stuff started when we got james to play in the band because i needed that was when like guys were like hey you need to like be out front and not have to play guitar the whole time and james joined them you know 20 20 something years ago it's like a focus on doing that but it's never been like like a pop star comfortable thing for me to like perform, perform. It's always just like, okay, I'm up here singing. Yeah. And then the rest of it is just kind of naturally came over time.
Starting point is 00:34:38 You always felt pop star by accident. Like every... Well, not even necessarily by accident. Okay, like the first time I was on the voice and we did a performance, this is a perfect example. They tried to choreograph me to put me in a spot to go. And she was like, and God bless her. She didn't know what to do with me because she's like,
Starting point is 00:34:53 okay, and then you're going to walk over here. The director of the show. The choreographer. Okay. Choreographer. Choreographer. Edit You're now official member
Starting point is 00:35:01 of Questlove Supreme Edit that shit Corrigraph She came up to me like And she was like You knew Okay so halfway through the song You're gonna come
Starting point is 00:35:12 And I was like Hey Hey I don't know I don't have the capacity To know Or remember that So like
Starting point is 00:35:19 Yeah Hitting marks And going here And dancing And all that There's always And thank God Has always will be foreign
Starting point is 00:35:26 To me Because I just like Oh you don't like to be staged And stuff Yeah I'm like allergic to it. I like, I can't. I'm not popping up out of the floor or anything.
Starting point is 00:35:34 Yeah. But here's the thing. Normally about 45 minutes an hour into the podcast, we get to this part of this subject, but I'll just bring it up now. Are you a former reluctant leader? Because I also know that to be in your position is very awkward because the thing is I'm assuming that this,
Starting point is 00:35:56 in every group dynamic situation, One, you're the chosen one. More falls on your back. I think we also run with this narrative that like, if you're too charismatic or too in front or out there, that your credibility, like, you don't want to try. You match a bunch of me, like Wardolph and the Stadler, people are judging you.
Starting point is 00:36:21 You know how it is. You started playing music and a band. And then people emerge as people come to the front. And I was always kind of there. And I think I always had, like, I would say if I'm, if I'm being super honest, like, I wanted to be out front. I wanted to be that guy. But then the weird thing happened, and this is a whole other tangent, but when I started doing, like, co-writes, shit got a little, hey, what the fuck are you doing? Because this is a band.
Starting point is 00:36:49 And so that happened. You guys don't do the equal one-fifth, one-fifth, one-fifth, one-fifth. Well, not when you're right, well, we did. Right. kid. And my whole thing from the beginning was like, so if you write this, you're part of it. You write this, you're part of it. But yes, it was always fair. And then the co-writes started having. And that was less about money. That was more about just the soul of a band. And I think all of our minds potentially being corrupted by the process of having someone else's ideas come in and take over. So that was a controversial moment for us internally. But then it worked. So then it was like, I mean,
Starting point is 00:37:26 The first co-write was moves like Jagger. So that was like, oh shit. Like, maybe we're going to do this for a while. And so that was a negotiation of me being like, hey, it's working. We got a couple biggies. Like, let's just, like, trust me. And if I see it and if it's not working anymore, you know, and if whatever I'm doing for us, let me lead.
Starting point is 00:37:48 And if it's not working, and then we'll, and I said this to him, straight up, we'll talk about it. We'll regroup. We'll make things a little more democratic. But right now, just let me lead and let me take it. and they were super cool with it because I was, well, maybe in retrospect they were cooler than in the time that I was like. But yes, I communicated very like openly and straightforwardly and they appreciated it. And then we had like eight in a row, you know, so like they couldn't really say shit. Right.
Starting point is 00:38:13 And that, I feel like what you just said is actually the most important part because I'll say for what I'm doing now, this is probably the most that Tariq and I have ever communicated. And it's not as awkward as it used to be. You guys will grow up and know you have to. Yeah. But it's a very scary thing because, like, I'm very fragile with rejection. I work my ass off for, like, four days on that project and be like, what do you think? And you know, it's cool. And then, like, suddenly I started getting feelings, so.
Starting point is 00:38:46 I'm now learning how to. And that ego, all of it, we all have them, and especially bands. And so I think, like, I was just talking about this yesterday, too. Like, we're really lucky because everyone really likes each other and wants to get along. You know, and I think, like, Tommy Band has been able to stay together. We've been together for 20 years, you know, longer almost. So it's like, and we actually don't want to kill each other, you know, sometimes. But, you know, we love each other.
Starting point is 00:39:14 And the respect has always been there and it's there. But we're lucky like that. Do you guys try to do things offsite? There was a moment where we would like, Tariq loves cooking. you know dinner at my house that sort of thing where it's not us getting together because we're bad at spending time together when we're apart from work but but but i will say work for us when we work is we're hanging so it feels like we're just chilling even when we're just backstage for hours or whatever it is so like i feel like that time is super special to us and
Starting point is 00:39:47 then when we disperse it's like see you see in a month which is probably good yeah yeah yeah but no off-premise activity. We do. Of course we do. Right. There's Maroon 5 go bowling together and stuff like that. No bowling. No bowling. Although a big bowler. I love bowling. Or no like on days off from touring, there's no...
Starting point is 00:40:09 I'm the worst at participating in those things. Okay. I'm going to say... Vocal rest. You need a break. Hey, it's a real thing. It's a real thing. Whatever. It's real, bro. Vocal rest is a real thing. Oh, that's what you're claiming vocal rest? Yeah. I know. I hate nothing more than when vocal rest gets used as a real thing.
Starting point is 00:40:25 That's to refuse that? All the time. It's true. Never. Never. And he'll be the one to scream at you too. I thought you'd on vocal rest. Yo.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Well, sometimes you can't help it. I said, I want cheese on my wife. Listen to me. Vocal rest is real. Is it abused as the thing? Also true. But it is real. When you rest your voice, is...
Starting point is 00:40:45 Are you the towel around the neck? No, no, no, no. I don't talk from... My shit's, like, reasonable. Like, I'll go to bed at, like, whatever time. And, like, I wake up, and I don't... talk for like three, four, five hours. Wow.
Starting point is 00:40:58 So is that real? But then I can talk. Okay. That must be a hell of a thing when you was doing the voice and stuff, and then you had to do other things. Like, you threw me into some. So much talk. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:41:09 That was a hard time because I had to do all these different things at once. A lot of energy. A lot of multitasking. Yeah. A win is a win. A win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Clever Taylor the Fourth. You might have seen the skits. the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,
Starting point is 00:41:50 and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.
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Starting point is 00:43:20 What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Vodam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever.
Starting point is 00:43:36 I went and had lunch with him one day, and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot.
Starting point is 00:43:57 He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:44:25 This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar, this is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars. And now, I guess also is the co-host of the away end, a brand new world soccer podcast.
Starting point is 00:45:15 I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist. And John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game. and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic
Starting point is 00:45:28 of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal
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Starting point is 00:46:03 or wherever you get your podcasts. Adam, when did you first realize that you could sing, that you had a high tenor voice? Probably like I was like 10, 11 in my voice. You know, as you can imagine, I had an extraordinarily high pre-puberty voice. It was like, angel phone and be like, oh, like, oh, like, I was a girl. Because you put your right, right, right. I was like, that's fucked up. I should left a mark.
Starting point is 00:46:31 I should left a mark on me. Whatever, it paid off. Yeah, I did. I was, I had this amazing, I always talk about him because he's the greatest. He passed away, which is awful because I wish he could have seen all the wonderful things that got to happen. But my music teacher when I was in elementary school was this really kind of boisterous, loud, amazing piano player singing that was always sweating from singing, love the whole thing. And we'd sit in music class and the, and the, and we'd sit in music class. I wanted to be a basketball player, like an athlete.
Starting point is 00:46:58 I didn't like think music was cool really when I was nine, you know. I probably like 10, 11, 12, and I started getting into it. But he told me I could sing. And he pulled me aside, and it was me and this other kid who wanted to become an opera singer, which is crazy. And he would pull us aside every day after. He's like, you guys are so good at this. Like, you don't understand. You guys are very, very good singers.
Starting point is 00:47:16 You can sing. And I was like, ah, like, whatever. Thing is stupid. How would he hear you? How did he know? Because, I mean, he could walk around and he would see and hear. Also, it's easy when no one can sing. Like when someone can sing a little bit, you can tell.
Starting point is 00:47:31 But I was just shy, and I started playing guitar and still didn't want to sing. The only reason I became a singer is because I was literally just the best guy in the band at singing. So I wasn't very good at it when I started, especially live, and then that, of course, like over time. So with Kara's Flowers, the group that Maroon 5 eventually morphed into, what was the lineup and the whole division of labor in that? Like who was singing, who? I was singing in Caras Flowers. I was always the singer. I was always the lead singer.
Starting point is 00:48:00 It was, you know, guys did background vocals, and the songs were like, like I wrote weird songs about nothing because I was so young, I didn't know anything, the write about, so I wrote about, like. How were you, when you guys started? Like, 15. Every group starts off as a prototype
Starting point is 00:48:12 of what they would like to follow. Oh, yeah. So for Caras Flowers. First it was Pearl Jam, and then it morphed into, like, weaser, you know what I mean? Wow. It was like the time,
Starting point is 00:48:21 because it was still your kids. So, like, you just, like, you take on, like, whatever you're in love with musically so like and then we got signed to Warner Brothers to reprise as cars flowers and we were at that point the music it was so weird it was like cool kind of power popping music but like the lyrics were so whack and crazy I can't believe that's actually out there for you listed so yeah it was like a product of the times again like the 90s like you know kind of poppy power poppy I guess and what year was this yeah 97 who produced it
Starting point is 00:48:53 Rob Cavallo. Oh, wow. What? Yeah. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, he produced it? I have a whole other life. Tell me, tell me, tell me, I want to know this shit. Hit me, hit me.
Starting point is 00:49:02 So when I was in, I was in high school, we played it a, I forgot how we found out, but basically, like, we played a high school, like a uni high school party, university high party, and, uh, his sister saw us play, Rob's sister. But yeah, anyway, he saw me play, and then we got, we ended up getting signed before high school was over, so. What was that like? Oh, my, my. I wouldn't this boys to men go through that in high school.
Starting point is 00:49:23 So also remember remember first of all it led nowhere but like the initial like the contract the hemorrhaging money making a fucking record because it was back in the day when like people used to spend spend spend yeah when the actual recording budgets oh my god like you were in 10th grade when you got signed 11th grade so what were you thinking like back in 11th grade i'm like yo i'm making it and who's reading your paperwork we were good like it was but also look like the record deals of the past because we got a little and we had a failed and we had a failed record deal that we soon dropped from you know so but we we had a record do where it was like if they let us go they had to pay us mm like that will never happen for ever that's a willco
Starting point is 00:50:05 sit zero six set matter of fact will co-loon from reprise oh yeah yeah so like that was like a different time of the record but it was a learning experience and it was fun but yeah Rob produced the record and this was like he just produced Green Day so we're like oh shit here we go like bam record went nowhere, sold like eight copies. They dropped us like a year later. Okay, since you got signed in 96, can I take a wild guess that? Because I'm like, wait, you guys were super young when they signed you.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Were they trying to cash in on the Hanson kind of? Here's what I was going to say. No, because we were much like, we were way more alternative. Like, when we first started... Who's the trio from Australia that also was your... Silver chair?
Starting point is 00:50:49 Silver chair. Was it more akin to that or... we weren't that grungy either like it was just that's what I was going to say that was so rare like back then maybe different in pop music but being a band that's that young there was no one
Starting point is 00:51:03 literally like remember like Ben Lee had a thing where he was like holy shit they signed this kid he was like 16 yeah yeah that was it it wasn't like there was all these bands being signed so it was very rare to get the deal in the first place
Starting point is 00:51:14 and I think like even back then like everyone knew kind of like oh these kids might make it someday but I'm not sure this is the you know iteration day and day. Right. Do it for it.
Starting point is 00:51:24 It was a wild time. I mean, being a senior in high school, every day leaving school and driving to like Conway. Wow. It was like. Post-death-road Conway too. Oh, hey, Canaan, baby. That was some shit.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Ah. You went there? I did. I took a tour. Can you say anything? No, it was post that. KMMS where all the death road songs and stories came from. So many stories.
Starting point is 00:51:53 But we mixed air like years later. It was like 2000. Wait, did we go to Conway or Cammy or Cammy? Conway is like deep like St. Andrews and No Rose. Did we record there once? We did an episode there once. You have to have been there before. I was there with Saul Williams.
Starting point is 00:52:10 No. That's what we, no, that's not what we did. It wasn't Conway. We did too short with Dennis Quaid rehearses. Yeah, but Dennis Quaid didn't own that studio, did he? No, no, no, no. I'm just saying I don't think it was. I think it was Conway's too.
Starting point is 00:52:21 There's no way you've lived your whole life and not been there at least once. I know I've been there once. It's super cool. It's like a great studio. Anyway, I was a kid. I was going to this fucking place and I was like, wow. Like it was the most, and I get there too, you're young too. I was like, let's get food.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Let's order all of the cheesecake factory. That whole menu. That's a big ass like a menu. Son. It was a thing. It's the 90s. It's the 90s. It was the 90s.
Starting point is 00:52:46 There was the fucking books with like everything. I hate that. I do. I do. I need some pod stickers and a steak. Dude, can I... Can I just...
Starting point is 00:52:56 The avocado egg roll? Wait a second. That brown bread that they give you in the beginning. That was the most soulful I need some Oreo, cheesecake factory. Fucking steak.
Starting point is 00:53:05 I've ever seen. That was so... So much pressure. The cheesecake grocery menu. It's so much pressure. No, wait. Hey, give me a second. Because I have to acknowledge,
Starting point is 00:53:14 like, that was the most I felt seen moment I've been on the show. Because I got to explain to you guys that when you realize what the perks are of this job, the second that you realize that you get access to free unlimited quality food, I always tell the story of Wendy Goldstein having a refrigerator with nothing but orange juice in it. Like think of the way that they opened the refrigerator in nothing but a G thing, whatever it was like all 40s in there.
Starting point is 00:53:53 When she opened that, so specific. All the roots look at each other like, yo. Her vitamin seeds off. And the next thing you know, she went to the bat, whatever we do. We started housing all of our orange juice. But, dog. You can't believe it. I can't believe it.
Starting point is 00:54:08 I'm telling you, I never get the three, the books. Yeah, it's a binder. Mexican food, Asian food, Italian food. Italian food. Like three menus per page. With ads. Oh, yeah. With ads.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Like, why are their ads in the video? Dude, we wouldn't even have sessions at, we would just know that we had an account at a specific studio. Like, that was the original Postmates. We'd just go buy battery studios and order shit and be like, charge it together.
Starting point is 00:54:32 Hey, how about that? How about the fact that someone was going to go get it? Right. And bring it back to you. Before DoorDash, y'all don't know what these folks is talking about right now. Yon is the ultimate luxury. Before Postmates.
Starting point is 00:54:42 It's still, I still not over it. I'm still like, you'll get this for me? In long distance. Oh, God. After you finished reading a cheesecake, men. And long distance, boy. That was awesome. So what were your expectations at that time super high?
Starting point is 00:54:59 Just so high because, I mean, they were always high. But I think, like, the only time that I had delusional, I always say, like, you have to have a delusional amount of self-confidence to make it because you have to really believe, like, a lot. Here's the thing, though. In this mind state that I'm trying to permanently place myself in, like, is delusion, is that really a thing? Yes.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Okay. Well, yes. It's all semantics of how you want to word it. Yeah, it's very much like, it's like, this is a book I read like a while back when it's called Good to Great. It's a business book. And one of the things that they talk about like CEOs that like took their companies to like record growth and shit, one of the things they all found out was they used something called, the Stockdale paradox.
Starting point is 00:55:48 And what it is is based on this general Jim Stockdale. I don't want to fuck his name up. But anyway, he was a POW prison in like Vietnam and shit. And so when he made it out, you know, he would talk and people would ask him, well, how did you make it? Like, what it was. And the thing he said was, you know, the first thing I did was I understood that I had to accept the brutal reality of what it was.
Starting point is 00:56:09 Like I had to accept just the brutal reality. But still at the same time, understand that there was a way that I could make it out. And he said, you know, the people who didn't make it were the people who was like, uh, we'll be out by November, then November comes. Uh, we'll be out by December. Then January comes. Uh, we'll be out by whatever. He said, they don't make it because those are the people, they don't make it because
Starting point is 00:56:32 they die of a broken heart. You know what I mean? So you have to have that. There is an aspect that exists. Yeah, you have to see how fucked up. Especially in the music industry, you shitting me? Like, you have to see like, okay, this shit is fucked up, but you have to have that delusional belief in yourself that you'll make it no
Starting point is 00:56:46 So I feel the filtered way, that makes total sense, and I get it. So basically you're saying you have to stay in the present and pivot towards your future, which we rarely do. Like a lot of people are either ruled by either tragedy or trauma in their past that makes them how they are now and they don't get over the past. And so I see that now. But I also do believe that for everyone that I've ever judged. mind you these are toxic people now sort of going through their shit but anyone that we ever ruled as arrogant
Starting point is 00:57:25 or fool themselves or that sort of thing I also notice that they've made it because they had to convince themselves that I'm that level I mean the industry rewards sociopaths I mean yeah you have to well here's the thing you'll have to be no you don't don't be that but I think I'm a social past
Starting point is 00:57:46 Well, look, but in a nice way. God, these are all very tricky conversations. Adam, what do you think? But delusional self-confidence and manifest destiny could be the same thing, right? Like, it's just, I think one is a little more cynical and silly sounding like, okay, delusional self-confidence. Like, that's like you say that tongue-in-cheek and then manifestess these a little more gravitas, more gravitas and it's heavier, so you're like, okay, it's more serious. It's the same idea. There's also a time to know when you want to talk about things like flow-staffirms.
Starting point is 00:58:16 and shit where it's like, okay, you also need to know what the fuck's going on too. You can't just be crazy. I was thinking. And I'm gonna make, because then there's that side, which is like, and by the way, it's people who have no talent can have the shit, have worked out for them.
Starting point is 00:58:29 That's the talent. Yeah. That's exactly. Yeah. Of willing it. Yeah. It's like with this straight imposter syndrome, I'm like, real impostors, they don't have that syndrome.
Starting point is 00:58:38 You know what I'm saying? Like, there's no, like people. Damn, he's, Fontaine just not to go with that. Like, scammers and shit. Like them niggas believe. every word they say. Yeah. They have no disbelief in themselves.
Starting point is 00:58:50 They will lie like a motherfucker. So, yeah, imposter syndrome, that ain't. Believing it, you have imposter syndrome is almost like the insecurity that exists when you're not. Exactly. Because you actually have a conscience. Right, right off, for real.
Starting point is 00:59:01 But also, we're pre-programmed as people pleasers to, like, I've got to seem humble out this thing. I'm trying to lose that shit. It fascinates me, though, to see when someone is capable of being borderline sociopathic and not giving a shit about how they come off
Starting point is 00:59:18 and being crazy about it because you're like, wow, that would make me so uncomfortable. I don't know. It's a hard thing to learn. Basically, what I'm trying to get out of you is, so there was a moment where I felt like, yo, we got a deal.
Starting point is 00:59:32 I'm doing great. It's awesome. And then three weeks into it, then I was like, oh, shit, this is not going to work. And it took five years to get me out of the impression of we're not going to make it. But that's a big moment.
Starting point is 00:59:48 How did you... We haven't gotten there yet in the story, right? Because if you're successful now, standing here today, every single one of us has had a failure that they had to deal with, a big one. Right. At least one big one. And so, yes, you experience that first failure. You're riding high.
Starting point is 01:00:04 You're like, hey, we got this record deal, money, fucking cheesecake. And then all of a sudden, which we all know, it all goes away. And you're like, oh shit, no more cheesecake, no more money. no more fame. I'm not going to go platinum, you know. And how long was it? How long was it until? We got signed when we were like 17, 18, almost 18.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Our parents had to sign the contracts. That's fucking awesome. Which is crazy. Crazy. They all had to sit in the room and time. So we graduated high school and I was like, peace. Like, you know, I'm going to go be a rock star. Straight to the road.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Fuck a college. Right, yeah, yeah. And then I would say by like December of that year. So graduated only in summertime, early summer. And then by December, it was like, oh shit this is not happening all right that's done and then it kind of started unraveling so that moment
Starting point is 01:00:51 was like whoa this is uh this fucked up because your dreams are just dashed like you know how that it goes because the minute it's so fast and it you think you're going somewhere and then you're not and then back then at least I don't know if it's the same thing now but like once you're tainted in the record business yeah
Starting point is 01:01:07 it's like fuck so if we get anyone to like us again to sign us it'd be really tough fortunately we kind of did but that moment is like really the what are you made of moment. How hard was it to change the name? Because that's the moment where you realize that. I hate that stupid name so much. I hate all, I hate the name of Room Five.
Starting point is 01:01:24 I hate the name Carys Flowers. Wait, why? Band name is stupid. Who came up with it then? Not all of us get to be called the roots, bro. We were forced. We wanted to be square roots. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:37 Well, it was like... We were forced you to go with the roots. Smart. It's a great band name, as I'm saying. How did you come up with Karas Flowers? How did you come up with Karas Flower? and Maroon 5. Carr's Flowers was easy.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Morning 5, I'll never tell anybody. I told Billy Joel. He knows. Ask him. All right. We got to get Billy Joel on that. And we will, Adam. And he doesn't remember. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Well, thank you. Billy had a few and didn't care. Right, right. Sounds like every day. Yeah, he was... I told him because I knew for a fact. And it's a very unremarkable story. But Carus Flowers is so dumb.
Starting point is 01:02:09 I mean, like so dumb because we were 15. So we snuck out of the house. My, our boy, the drummer. could drive our drummer could drive so he like had a big old wagon here and uh we went to norms on uh on uh on uh like lasse indica in in in west hollywood and you know you're out and like your parents don't know you're gone and you're at norm's getting steak and eggs for 399 and being a band and being stupid norms bro i mean come on it's nasty you gotta have no it's no it's great at one in the morning oh yeah it was late night norms all right and we're eating we're like we're gonna be in a band
Starting point is 01:02:42 They're gonna be fucking huge. We gotta get a name. It was that time. Right. So there's no better time in your life. I'm that those times. And then we were like, and we're all in love with this girl named Kara.
Starting point is 01:02:52 I don't know why. We just loved her. God bless you, Cara. You're amazing. So she lived like north of sunset, like, right above the whiskey. Like, you know what the whiskey was? Yes. Like right there.
Starting point is 01:03:03 And we had like loved her for some reason. And so we were like, our drummer like wanted to, he brought her flowers that night or something. The recollection of it is probably pretty hazy. But anyway, and so we're back at his house and we're like, oh, Carr's Flowers. It's kind of awesome. And then, like, we played the whiskey for our first gig and it said Car Flowers.
Starting point is 01:03:24 And, like, she lived up there, you know, so it's just like. So she used the Rosanna Arquette to you guys as Toto. Exactly. Nice. Uh-oh. Sorry, y'all. I hate to do this. But this is where part one ends.
Starting point is 01:03:38 That's okay. Stay tuned next week or check your podcast feed for Part 2 of Quest Love Supreme with Adam Levine. Oh, and then that next one, he's going to talk about some of those Maroon Five songs that you know and love and other collaborations. Oh, plus he lives some of his favorite albums of all time. And, ooh, y'all, just when you think he doesn't get any better, a surprise guest drops through.
Starting point is 01:04:01 I really want to tell you who. I'm going to hurry up and end this before I sported surprise that they may have been on the show before. I don't know. I don't know, man, no, no, no. Um, so thank you. and please like, subscribe, review, follow, and all that other good stuff. See y'all next week.
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