The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Angie Martinez

Episode Date: July 5, 2023

Angie Martinez links with Questlove Supreme in New York City. "The Voice Of New York" speaks candidly about her upbringing, a fearless passion for Hip-Hop, and career expansion throughout the last 30 years. Along the way, Angie recalls her unique vantage point for the JAY-Z and Nas radio battle, some controversial interviews, and the importance of family.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm like, the wild bat you were with. It was like a first like closet moment from me where I was like, I don't feel like she's hot, like the rest of them. No, no, no. I was like, she's beautiful. But I'm appreciating her in a different way than these boys are. I'm not like,

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It was a big moment. It was special. And I felt like I was really representing my family, you know, my brand, my city. I was representing all taqueros, not only of like, you know, the U.S., but of Mexico and beyond. All the taqueros of the world. Listen to Against All Odds on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. West Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. All right, so, Ann, you don't know this, but you're actually part of our theme.

I am? Let's go. What is it? Suprema. What? Subrema role call. Hey. Suprema.

What? Suprema. Subrema role call. Suprema. Subrema role call. Supreme. Yeah. You're going to get a verse.

Supremal roll call. He says she says. Yeah. She's a genius. Yeah. Better than three heads. All rise with Martinez. Roll call.

Suprema, Subrima, sub, sub, suprema roll call. Suprema, sub, sub, suprema roll call. My name is Fonte. Yeah. And I'm doing it right. Yeah. Where Angie Maugh.

Uh-oh. Yeah. It's ladies night. Oh, call. Suprema, sub, sub, sub, sub, suprema roll call. Suprema, sub, sub, sub, subprima role call. I'm sugar, Steve. Yeah

Yeah Yeah Fuck up Up close and personal I Rollcom Supriva Subrava

Roca Rove Kong Rewan Subriva Subbara Roca Call Is why I am

You know that's right Yeah And just like Angie I made this shit up last night Rollcom Time out Subima Subima

Subbrivo Since I'm supposed to go Subrimo You do it again Do it right La Prima, Roca. I'm Sugar, Steve.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll spit a verse for you. Yeah. Come get this sugar. Yeah. Up close and personal. Rocahn. Improvement, Supremas.

That's not the first one better. Roll call. How is ghosts? Aignago? Subrema. Oh, God. My name is Angie. Yeah.

I'm in the room. Yeah. They made me . . Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the. Yeah.

Supreme. What? What? What? Supreme a roll call. Supriva. Subrema role call. Supriva.

I'm sorry. I was, I'm prepared. Ladies and gentlemen, another episode of Questlove Supreme. Going to be very, very interesting. Is it?

Steve, that was a hardcore delivery. I practiced for eight hours. You guys could have given me a heads up. I would have had some bars for. I'd have dug into the bars for you. The joy of this show is watching people think quick on their feet. I had anxiety because we started this show in a weird unique way.

See, you can't put it out there like that. What do you mean? You got to, you can't. Oh, I have to, I have to manifest anxiety. You can't manifest anxiety. You can't manifest anxiety. I can't manifest anxiety. Wow, man to fuck anxiety.

All right, let's have a moment of silence, people. Okay. We are going to breathe in seven seconds in our nose. Hold it. Five seconds in our mouth. Seven seconds in. Hold it. Five seconds out.

Seven seconds in. Five seconds out. Okay. Are we calm? Yeah. Wow. I'm so calm. And we all got COVID now.

You have no idea how much I needed that today. Really? We just don't breathe. We don't breathe. Don't put that in the air. You manna-fucking. Don't man to fuck us. Steve only.

Steve's humor is his defense for emotions. Yes, I'm very disappointed in my roll call. So whatever own tone you're playing. No, you're not more disappointed than me. No, no. You actually beat me. That's not true. I didn't even hear the beat.

My headphones are low. I didn't know what was happening. I'm a mess. You were on beat strangely enough. Was I? Yes, you were. All right. So, ladies and gentlemen, our guest today is a super legendary figure.

A radio Hall of Fame inductee, I should add. Yes, you got inducted when? I did. What year? Oh, well, I was the year before last, was it? I hear a bunch of... It was a COVID time, so we didn't get in... I heard all the black people, all the people of color basically just got lumped in.

In COVID. Yeah, yeah. That's what Charlemais is. Right. Somebody was like, hey, there's no people of color here. Let's get them all in this year. Right, exactly. She's a tastemaker who I feel her voice has raised generation after generation,

a very trusted voice on radio. I will also say, Fonte reminded us that she was a Grammy-N-Avary non-a. nominated artist. Yeah. I totally forgot about Ladies' Night. I forgot about that. Must be Angie on the mind. Right, exactly.

She's an activist. She is a legend. She basically, like, what I truly know Angie for is her legendary interviews, of which she was kind of podcasting before podcasting was a thing. Like, you would do these legendary half-hour interview blocks. I always wondered how you were able to get these. sort of introspective interviews from your artists in these blocks without playing a bunch of music in between. I think when I came up, there was only one place to go.

It was only one station. So there was no competition. So when you have no competition, you could do whatever you want. That's right. It was just hot. You know, it was just hot. It was just us. We were the only place to get hip-hop.

So we could pretty much do anything we want and we would win. And so when competition came, I almost had to lay. I was so sad because I knew everything was going to change. I knew interviews were going to have to get shorter because we were in competition. I knew that the days of like doing whatever we wanted because how it felt were kind of over. But so I was lucky enough to come up at a time where it was really just a free for a kind of a free for all. I see. Oh, by the way, ladies and let's get our hands together.

No. Oh, sorry. Let's get a, let's get a mm-together for Angie Martinez. Oh, we say, guys. Thanks, guy. That was nice. That was nice. That was good.

That was so nice. What was the highlight of your day? This is the highlight of my day. This was. Tell what times you get, you asked me about my day. When do you get up in the morning? I normally get up around seven. I had the worst migraine last night, so I got up in the middle of the night, 3 a.m.

And then I was up for a couple hours. So my sleep was all messed up last night. Anyway, so I got up today because we were doing an event earlier for this biggie podcast that we did around the life after death, the celebration of that. I saw Mr. C there, which was a really nice moment in my day because I haven't seen him in so long. Right. And then I just was kind of been floating around today. It was a stressful little bit day. That's why I'm when I came here and you were telling me about how I need to meditate in the morning,

I was really receptive to this information you were giving me because it's, it's a... I think it's important. Like you got to start your day with positive good intentions. It's one thing to know that. And it's another thing to exercise and do it regularly and be diligent about it. Most of us when we wake up, we grab our phone. Yeah, of course. We doom and gloom.

literally grabbing your phone is like, hey, hand me my bottle of pain, hand me my stress. Now, just because I'm currently in that situation with organizing the Roots Picnic and these movies I'm doing and 12 other projects

that, you know, if we don't go inward to... I like what Fonte said a few months ago, that first thing he does in the morning is take like a whole bunch of deep breaths, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to. Yeah, man.

You got to. Yeah. You know what I started doing lately? That has been a thing for me is I started golfing. I golf now. Is that like the weirdest thing? I can't even believe that's me. I love golf.

I love it. I'm jealous of you assuming north of 40 people. Yes. That have taken up golf because that's the one thing I feel like, like everyone my age is now like going to the golf courses. Like various members of the roots are. Golfing? Golfing and stuff. It's two things.

It's the one thing I do that I'm not multitasking. There's no phone involved. It's just I'm trying to get better at this very specific thing. And this whatever it is, my short game, whatever it is. And you're outside in this beautiful environment and the grass and the sky. Who taught you how to play golf? Nobody. One of my girlfriends who golfs was like, come.

I was like, I don't know how to golf. She was like, so what? None of us do. Nobody's good. Don't worry. And so I went to just ride the cart and have a drink and chill. I did it a couple of times. And then I took a couple of lessons of the guy at the brain.

Her name's not Ashley, is it? No, but I have golf. I do golf with Ashley sometimes. Yo, I was going to say. I've golfed Ashley a few times. And then I golf. Ashley's like a hustler. Like, I didn't know that she was that good at it.

She's good. She's been golfing a long time. You're talking about Ashley, Witherspoon. Ashley helps with me with my podcast, by the way, too. She helps with some, a lot of digital on my pond. And then we golf. We golfed last week, actually, together. The only thing I won't do with Ashley is any more game nights.

I brought her to one game night and the shit almost ended in a fight. So she's very... She's competitive. She's very intense with game night. Can I just say I'm excited to see squads of women on golf courses now, especially brown and black women? Because that's like a thing. Let me tell you, my other friend Jamie, another woman, she's, Calid's head of digital. And she, we golfed in Compton together.

Yes. And it was so dope. There's a golf course in Compton? Yes. And I don't want to be... Correct me from it might be right outside of Compton, but it's the Compton Golf Course. Where you went there and it was all people called golfing. All black and brown people golfing.

And it was so dope to see that and feel that because, you know, most golf courses are not that. It's not that. That's not the scene. Okay. So if you're going to start at any point, go there and catch the vibe. Yes. And then. It's on my list. It's a good place to start.

I thought I was supposed to start with miniature golf first. Yeah. We already tried that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Play itself. So golfing is where you find. Yes.

For me, that's a thing. But I can't golf every day. So clearly I need to do some type of meditation in the morning. It's just, I know what I need to do. It's just about getting diligent about doing it. He's right, though. And it changes your life. Yeah, and now that my plate is filling up because I'm like,

I have all these things that I want to do and achieve. And sometimes it all gets overwhelming. And like you said, I have to get inside. It's the only way to create or really be creative and tap into that. Usually this is my last question. Like, what is it that is still on your bucket list for achieving that you haven't done here? Are you kidding? It's an endless list of things.

But I'll tell you right now. as I've been doing this pod that I launched the podcast paid for it, we shoot it, we have a whole production team and... Yeah, very professional looking. Thank you. I like it.

And I did that because I just wanted to have conversations. I didn't want anybody's opinion about who I booked or what we talked about. I really wanted to create something that was of my heart. But I learned a lot about production from this process. And it made me have a little bit of confidence to be able to feel like I could do what I've been really wanting to do

for a long time, which is tell stories, like you. And it's funny because I heard you talking about being afraid to direct for a long time and kind of shying away from that feeling. And I related to that so much because I felt the same way. I feel like I know how to tell a great story. I feel like I have a vision that maybe some people don't have. And I always felt a little scared because maybe I didn't go to film school or I didn't go to, you know.

And so, but now I've grown the confidence to feel like I actually do have a perspective and a vision and a clarity and a storytelling. ability that I'm not really exercising to the extent that I should be. And so that's kind of what the next couple of years hopefully looks like for me. So now what you said that, Laya, how's your pursuit of comedy going? Why do you always put me on the spot with that? Because I got to sometimes throw you in the river. It's hard when you, I mean, I think Angie can speak to this. It's like, it's hard sometimes pursuing your passion when you got multiple jobs.

But I'm... Girl, first of all, I still have a full-time radio job. I got a pocket. I got 17. job also. But, you know, you prioritize what was calling whatever's inside you that's like screaming to get out. As we're talking about prioritizing yourself in meditation. It's hard. No, that's why I'm so receptive to what, you saw how I came in the room as soon as you, I'm receptive to that because I know I cannot deliver at the level I want to if I'm not finding a place to kind of center and get

creative and give myself that kind of. So the answer to that question is I'm working on. I'm listening to you and trying to figure out where to make the space because obviously you have found it. Are you doing it in the morning? Are you meditating and stuff? Yes. Meditation. A meditation. The comedy thing that he said, I kind of took a, he knows. She has a comedy dream that she wants to pursue.

Which comedy is hard because there's a lot of the only way you're going to learn how to be the greatest comic ever is you're going to have to tell jokes. But really like embrace for failure and silence and that's the way you figure out what you're... But also, don't you have to tell yourself

and believe it when you tell yourself that you are a comedian or that you are a comic? So that part, and I'm not. And this is what I know. You saw what? No, I say that to say that... See, that's a problem. But wait, no, I say that to say that

I feel like there are funny people and we know this, right? There are people who are funny and then there are comedians. And so what I did was, when I moved, my last radio job, I got fired in Philly and I moved to L.A. to pursue, like, TV dreams, and I wanted to make sure that my funny,

I knew formulas and things. I knew the callback and things. So I started doing stand-up and whatnot. But it's really about, like you said, being a creative and putting your stories out there. So, yeah, the comedy thing, but I have stories to pull out. Yeah, but the only way you could do that is you have full confidence in your vision. Oh, confidence.

That's a word right down. No, you need it. I'm sure, like, let me ask you this. Let me ask. This is not my podcast, sorry. No, no, go on. This is literally what this podcast is. But this is teaching class.

You're teaching class. Like, even when you start. calling yourself a director. When I just started calling myself a director? When you just started calling yourself a director, was it before the Academy Award or after? Like, when did that happen? I really fully accepted who I was

and what my mission in life is probably July of 2020. Okay. So I was... It was to the point where Disney was like, dude, you're going to self-deprecate yourself out of this award. keep on telling people that, you know, you've, like, why me and that and all shucks, guys. And I was in such a habitual routine of self-deprecating.

And a lot of me, why do we do that? Because we want to manage the expectations of people around us. You know, I'm thinking about if the roots think I'm a nut or like, oh, man, are they talking about my talking shit behind my back? What are my friends think? What do your director friends think about you? Oh, dude, for the longest, like, I would go to Knicks games. And, you know, I was like, oh, man, Spike's not going to, you know. I went to this event, and if you remember his partner, Ernest Dickerson, who used to...

Yeah, juice. Right. Shoot, shoot stuff. Ernest came up to me. I was like, brother, I've watched your movie five times. It was so emotional, so incredible, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. and I saw Spike's ears prick up and I realized

oh okay Spike didn't watch the movie yet which I actually understand Of course how many things we haven't watched There's a very popular prominent emce Who I Refused to listen to out of professional jealousy No but it's like that sometimes

Like why You know because sometimes you might internalize Your own failure based on someone else's success. And, you know, I would feel some sort of way like, oh, man, like, or get over analytical. And I didn't like, I'm, music is too precious for me to even want to, like, be that disparaging to someone else. But I found myself having these professional, jealous feelings to this particular person. And so I just refused to acknowledge their music. And unless I had to DJ it in the nightclub. And I realized, I was like, okay.

Who is this person? I'm not going to go there. Okay, fine. But I noticed, I did notice, though, that in a week, based on the energy that Ernest Dickerson brought me at this particular thing, then Spike finally hit me with a text like, man, I really liked your movie. It was great. And then he started to. But in my mind, I was also like, oh, man, Spike, Ava, all of them going to look at me like, p. What do you think he'd do on?

Right, exactly. But did it switch for you? when you could call yourself a director? Do you show up differently? After you say to yourself, oh, man, I am a director. Like, the second you have that high of a moment, and what you have to realize is the Oscar is the last stop on that journey.

Like, I've been spending an entire year going to the award ceremony, award ceremony, local ceremony, da-da-da-da, film festival, then on a sundance, all this stuff. And then after, like, we were sweeping everything. It was like the thriller days. Like, after the 13th award, I even asked Disney like yo can we just stop

can you pull us out the thing because after about a month of this then suddenly I've noticed like people you know sort of like here he comes to still Christmas again like that sort of thing and I use that as an excuse to like again start

self deprecating and all that stuff and then it started affecting my personal life like I'd share it with everyone like food was my that was my cocaine so my level of binge eating was getting very dangerous, very, you know, it was just hard to handle because I didn't want to pivot. I didn't want to grow up and get into my new life. Like, part of me still wants to hang on to music. I've yet to release the record that will let us in Madison Square Garden,

and I know I can do it. This is our 17th record. And so even after the Oscar, yeah, I've had, Like, you know, two weeks after the Oscar, I've probably had like four to five panic attacks. Oh. I went to Mexico just to sit alone and whatnot. And so I will say that probably around July, there's a book by a gentleman named Jose Silva called The Silver Method. And he teaches you how to talk to yourself, how to advocate for yourself, how, you know, that sort of thing. So, yeah, I'll say around like August, that's when I really started taking and owning what my purpose in life is and that sort of thing and not being like afraid to. But are you calling yourself a director?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just wonder like once you, by the way, I didn't know you went through all that. I didn't know you went through all of that. But like how you say like you don't call yourself a comedian or you don't call yourself director.

Like once you kind of own it, I just wonder if you could lean into it more. Like if you can really fully. But I'm also leaning to like 12 other things. Like this week's. Yeah, you're doing too much. This thing is now like, oh, I'm a children's book author. You know what I mean? So it's like each week is like a new challenge.

And we're born on the same day. So I'm just looking over here laughing because I'm like you're all born in the same month. So we respond. Capricorn? Capricorn. Oh, January 9th. I'm the 20th. You're January 9th?

Yeah. Okay, I'm December 28th. You see Capricorns. Y'all got it. Y'all. Sorry, Steve. Cap life. I got your head on your shoulder.

because we are over here when it's querious. We're like, hmm. What were you saying, Steve? Yeah. I'm just thinking about your conversation here and about what you said about sort of accepting that you're just a great storyteller at this point. And I feel like, you know, in the long...

It took me like, I'm 50 too. Like, it's the one thing I'm like, I wish I could talk to young me. But they were like... That's how that journey works. So I could tell myself a different narrative. He's super... You know how much work I could have...

I would have done if I told myself that earlier in life? Yeah, but it doesn't work that way. That's true. have to build up to it. Yeah, like I was going to say, like, when you start off, it's fake it until you make it. And then when you make it, it becomes imposter syndrome for a long time. And then there's this acceptance of like, oh, shit, I can do this stuff well. You know, and is that our age?

Is that when this happens? I think for different people, different types. I'm always fascinated when I see a young talent, 25, 30-year-old talent, and they seem to just have this confidence of this. That might be the fake in it. No, I don't know. I think of like a young Rihanna walking around thinking,

this girl believes her in herself. I don't know. I mean, listen, she is a unicorn, yes. But I'm just saying there are people that at a young age for some reason tap into a confidence about who they are. She has something because she walked up to me once. I've never spoken to, well, I spoke to Rihanna first before I spoke to Grace Jones.

And wait, aren't they from the same island? Are they? Jamaica, I thought Grace is Jamaica. So Grace is Jamaica. and she's from Trinidad. Barbados. No, Barbados. I'm sorry.

Where's unpaid bill when we need them? Right, exactly. So, when she first walked up to me, it was like a young Grace Jones and she comes up to me like, you. And I look like, oh shit,

Rihanna does know who I am. And she's like, I want to work with you. Like, and she just had this very commanding. Pond the replay, Rihanna? It's a short hair, short hair, Rihanna. She was in,

Kanye's video for one of those songs on 808s and Heartbreak, where she's behind the car. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forget what it was, but, like, that's when Def Jam was, like, throwing video release parties for just videos or whatever. And so... Good times. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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You were the trusted epicenter of a lot of these artists. And I'm, well, first of them, I'm curious. Like, what was your entry into communication as far as, like, radio? Oh, just throw that young girl in here. She's the only one here who really knows anything about hip-hop. And then... Just jump in the pool? I'm looking at you again.

I'm 17, 18, working at a station, a radio station, because I was a mess. My mother, I got, you know, getting kicked out of school. And my mother was in radio. She got me an internship. I was interning. Your mom used to be on radio? She wasn't on the air.

She worked in the sales department. See, I heard this. When Red Alert was like Kiss FM, Red Alert. Yeah. You know, like, Kiss Cards and, like, legendary Red Alert, young Red Alert. My mother was like a sales rep there. And she worked, then she wanted to become a music director and program director

at CD 101.9 and stuff like that. So she was in for a long time. So I got an internship. I was 18. So it was a dance station when I first got there. There was no commercial hip-hop. radio station. So the place that was hot 97 was a dance station. Okay. You know, they play like, you know, C&C music factory, kind of, you know, like that. And so, but I was a hip-hop head leg out.

And so when they, when they were slowly transitioning, I would get asked a lot of questions because I was the kid who knew I was like a nerd, like a hip-hop nerd. And so I was in the right place at the right time. Then they brought Flex in as going to be the head of this one. They decided to go hip-hop. And then I had, so I learned, I was running the boards for him. I was doing everything. getting coffee, doing everything, and then they were like... Wait, in my mind, like, the idea of hit 97 was like always here. So you're saying that in the 90s? There was no 97.

It was dance music. There was no commercial hip-hop radio station in existence in New York City. Just a show. Maybe hip-hop. It was just like 94 or 95? You would have to listen to Kiss or BLS in the weekends. Like, you would have to listen to Red Alert, Mr. Magic. You would have to listen on the weekends and tape.

You couldn't... There was no 24. hour a day hip hop station. She's saying like 93-94 is when this starts happening or 92-93. I'm so bad at this at years and times. Well, you were 18 so. Yeah, I was 18 so you do the math. And y'all are setting the standard for the whole country. Yeah, but you know when you're in it and you're creating something at that and your babies, you're just doing it because you love it. There's no understanding of what this could be, what it would evolve into, what it could grow into. Even when I started doing interviews, there was no understanding of one day these interviews could matter to

somebody or we could grow into something. It was just like, oh my God, I love this Wu-Tang out, I can't believe they're here and then having these these conversations. And this is what I miss about those times is right now I feel like everything is very agenda driven because people kind of have the codes and they know what works and they know what you have to do to get results. And people understand the business of it. There was no business of it. We really were operating under. It was just hard. It was people who were operating under a love for the music, for the culture, for, we weren't even calling it the culture then.

We weren't even organized enough to call it that. We just were operating on. like love and connection. This is such a beautiful circle back because we just talked to Lisa Cortez earlier. Oh, yeah. And I feel like y'all both hit the scene around the same.

Well, she's a little earlier than you, but still, I mean, High 97 was the first. And so it's the same feeling. Lisa Cortez had our rise doing the same time. The same period. Without High 97, what did I have? So how old were you when you... How do you become a radio personality?

Do they put you on like four in the morning first? No, I was doing everything. I was running the boards. I used to run the boards for flex. I was like on, I was this. I was here. Pressing the buttons and running the boards. And I was nice with the, you know, back then you just have to edit on the reel to

real to reals. I mean, nice with that. With the commercials and the tape. I'd have cuts on my fingers. Yo, there's nothing sexier than a female engineer. Yo, the amount of times where I was, yo. When I tell you, I was nice. I could make somebody say something they didn't mean to say with the white marker and the

In the razor blades and the, where I was nice. I saw the first time I met Mecca of Digable Planets. Oh, I love that. She was like, this is like when they were recording a blowout comb. And she was like, I pretty met the tape real. I'm like, what the hell? I'm in love also, but what the hell? So I'm there.

I'm this young girl who's a hip-hop nerd, who knows everything. And then I can also run the boards and be on the radio. And then they brought flexing. I'm running his boards. So then it was like, put this girl on overnights. and just see what she got. But don't you have to have the gift of gab and know how to do the back settle or not that stuff?

No, no, I had no gift to gab. I learned gift of gab throughout the process of being on the radio. I was god-awful at least two years of being terrible on the radio, for sure, 100%. Like, if I went back and hear tapes, I would be mortified right now. And then over the years, they weren't always great. I really had the privilege of learning how to be on the air while I was on the air. What I did have going for me, the one thing I would say, though, is that from the beginning, my intention was always good. And I think that that carried me because people wanted me to, you know, people wanted me to win.

They were cheering for me. Yeah, they were cheering for me. And so that carried me for a while until I learned actually how to do that. Well, we happen to have one of your tapes from your first two real. Shut your mouth. Shut. Oh, my God. Wait, do you, so I know, like, when you've.

first we're on the radio, would you like record yourself? Hey, hey! Hey, you know, like over, over modulating. Smiling hard. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Do you remember, like, who was the first person you interviewed?

I don't, people have asked me that and I don't remember. For some reason in my mind, and I know it wasn't them because time wise, it was like group home or someone like that. Wow. It was like, I don't know that for sure it was them, but those were the early interviews that I remember at that time. So when do you do you? feel like you

arrived? When I was in my bag? Like when they first... All right. Can you all explain to me? I know there's always a morning show. And then I've learned that most... In my radio experiences of meeting people,

I've met more midday mommies than... Oh, my God. It's their formula. They think they have a formula. Right. But it's always like, you know, hey, there's not... If you ask Salam Remy, Salam Remy will tell you because he always says this

and I'm like, Salam, stop saying that. Salam thinks that every... like hip hop radio station across the country hired a Latin girl because because of my success on hot. He's like they placed

the Angie Martinez at like he's like I'm going around the country I'm seeing the placement of an Angie Martinez there's probably some validity instead of it's very sweet around 99 like literally I've met more midday mommies

after your arrival that I didn't see the first rounds of us having to travel radio stations so I didn't realize that wait so you were But she wasn't the first midday one man, but just that's how you feel because it's the era in the time. Because I think that's radio people's where that's a whole formula.

We put the woman. I've never heard a man between 10 a. I never did middays. I did nights, which honestly is like a, you know, for a girl. That's the prime spot. They don't put women in the nights, though. It depends what you call a prime spot. If you're a radio person and you're selling ads, morning show and afternoon drive are the prime spot.

But for a young girl who's in the clubs and in the streets and is going to artists. listening sessions. You know, night times in New York at that time it was popping. It was popping. It was popping. So that's where I started. I started doing nights and then and it's right before the shows, right? So then you also got the guests because people don't realize night show

into 10 o'clock. So folks was coming on your show because it's like, yeah, I said Angie before the show. And then over the years, then they moved me to afternoon drive. Who do you feel is your most important interview during that time? Like, I remember like a lot of your Jay-Z interviews.

Yeah, Jay was great for me in my career because he gave me an opportunity to kind of like have different types of conversations that he wouldn't have with anyone else He was just always so smart He always had such like I don't know He just always wanted to elevate the conversation

And he trusted me so he wasn't doing a lot of interviews all over I mean there wasn't a lot of places to go for interviews Especially back then I probably In New York I had to have done his first one I would imagine I don't want to say that's wrong Maybe it was stretching Bob probably stretching Bob Yeah yeah for sure

but we did a lot of them earlier on and so those were some of my favorites at the beginning but honestly it's hard to say you know that's it's like what's your favorite show do you have a favorite show like you can't say that you can for for this show I feel like are even though Jimmy Jammin No I mean like a Roots show no oh no definitely Really? Really do you have a favorite root song

Right I won't do that Exactly you can't do that My favorite breath I ever took. I get it. I get it. I don't know. I can't say it. Yo, I got a question.

Have you ever worked at another radio station besides power? Well, when I was 16 and I was getting, I got kicked out of my high school. I got kicked out of John Dewey in Brooklyn. No, no, I'm sorry. Yes, I was getting kicked out of John Dewee in Brooklyn. I was 16. My mother sent me to Florida to live with my aunt for two years. So from 16.

Wait, was it that bad? Oh, no, I didn't go to school. Were you like a juvenile delinquent or? Yeah, I was, um, my mother was a single mom. She worked late. I just was free. I was a latchkey kid. I did whatever I wanted to do.

You know, everybody on the block is. All right. What was young Angie Martinez like? She was, she thought, I don't, she had no really understanding. She loved hip hop music. I would literally watch like Beach Street. I would sit all and watch Beach Street and Wild Style and all those movies. And I would tape Red Alert on the weekends.

And then I'd spend all week listening to the song so I could memorize him and all the lyrics. I was... Chuckers wearing like... Oh, yeah, I was... All Timberland. No, like Lee belts and you know what I?

I mean, me pants and belts and name belts and bamboo earrings and all those things. And then my mom was working and I, you know, you start hanging out, you're playing handball, you're drinking 40 ounces of all English and... Wait, we're doing this interview so ass backwards right now. I know. Let me start...

We're let born. What? Don't get there. No, no, literally like... We normally start. We're all over the place here. I mean, I wonder why. You know what, though?

No, no, I totally forgot. Yeah. But, like, normally, yes, we started the beginning and then work our way up to. Oh, okay, there's a formula. You're right. What was your home like? Like, do you have siblings? Single mom.

What borough? Most of my family is from Washington Heights in the Bronx. And then my mom was that, she was that single mom that was, like, trying to change her life. And it's going to self-help and reading a lot. and Namya Horei'i Kyo and you know she's doing it. My mother was always trying. She would love this episode right now.

She was always trying to do better. Her dad was, you know, battling alcoholism and it was challenging for her in a lot of ways growing up. And she tried to get out. So my whole family's uptown in the Bronx. My mother took me, the two of us, went all the way to the other side of Brooklyn, which is like a two-hour train ride.

So my whole family's uptown. Me and my mom is on the last stop by Coney Island. in Brooklyn. Yo. Really? Yeah, so we're out there. We're in the little one-bedroom apartment, me and her. My mother was so dope.

We had a one-bedroom apartment. She let me have the bedroom, and she would sleep in the living room. I'm like, this couch is like, this terrible green couch. Have you been there lately? Yeah. So have you seen the gentrification, like, levels? It's crazy. Yeah.

There's even, like, luxury motels. No, even, by the way, I tell you, my family's from Washington Heights. Even Washington Heights is a whole different. They changed that too? A hundred percent different from what I grew up. Yeah, for sure. Wherever that space, y'all, come on now. It's New York.

Yeah, it's crazy. So different. So, yeah, but you know what? My block wasn't bad. It was very, I love that I grew up in a building where my next door neighbor was from Trinidad, mother with two daughters. Over here, there's an Asian family, Korean family.

It's a Russian family across a super diverse building. And I think that. really created who I am. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like I can talk to anybody. I feel like I can... People feel it from you. Yeah, I feel like I understand all different types of people.

And my neighborhood really had a lot to do with that, how I grew up in that building in Brooklyn. You know, so me and my mom. I got to get... So Latin Corps is an extreme... No, no, no, no. But did you have earlier experiences in, like, New York nightlife? My first club was Roseland.

Bismarkey was performing the first night I went to a club I was 15 I snuck in with a fake ID there was a shootout inside the club the night I went first night in the club The crazy thing about it is that after the shooting Everybody got back to party

Like the club wasn't closed Like it didn't close I will ask you like I ask How crazy is that? I will ask you like I ask everyone else Like maybe This is me like again like Living in Fear and Safety or whatever, but

why would you go to a spot where the likelihood of something about to pop off would happen? Well, there's a lot of... It wouldn't deter you, all like, oh, okay. Oh, yeah, sure, as a sensible adult,

but as a 15-year-old who can't believe that Bismarkey is DJ in, like, in touch, like, distance, like, he's right there and he's performing and the DJ and the scene and I can't believe I'm in a club and the music is crazy. I just was happy to be. Like, I was, it was, it's crazy.

I mean, you didn't hit the clubs when you were underage. I wasn't allowed to. I know, I know. It wasn't until I got older and I actually started getting like a feet. It's crazy because my whole career I had to go to clubs. Yeah, I was going to say you probably had to go to the tunnel. But I, oh, I was at the tunnel regularly. What was the tunnel?

Even though we, I think we performed at the end of like the era of the tunnel. Yeah, yeah. They finally like when the roots get invited to the tunnel, then you know it's over. There was always a sense. It was like the roots in Eminem. Oh, wow. Wow. Back when Eminem was accessible.

Also, you were never like in the trenches of the tunnel at the beginning. No, not Sukhoun's era. This urban legend of tunnel. I definitely saw Mobb Deep and all those were my favorite, like boot camp at the tunnel. Like all of those were crazy. Like Flex started being nice to us like 99. Before it was like, I don't know if I feel them yet, you know. That sounds like Flex.

Right. I don't know if I feel him yet. But, you know, when he wanted us to do the tunnel and I was scared. And I was like, oh, we don't want to do the tunnel. Like, oh, no. And it actually wound up being. The crazy thing is Flex was, when I think about him then, I was so in awe of how he seemed to be like one of those people that we were talking about that.

He had this confidence about what he was doing. Like, he came there. He was like, we're going to make this station. We're going to get, this is what we're going to do. He'd be in the tunnel. He's like, I don't know. He just had this. He made merch.

He made Flex jackets. And we all wore the leather jackets. By the way, we would go to the tunnel in matching leather. Nothing but Flavour Funkmaster Flex jackets. And I thought it was, I was so in awe that he even had this type of vision. Confidence. And I always, you know, I always felt a little unsafe, but not enough that I would want to leave. Like, what would happen?

What was the typical night at the, I'm about to say Latin Quarter? At the tunnel. At the tunnel. Well, for me already, because I was already running around with Flex, so I would be by the booth or I'd be like, you know. So you have the safety of the booth. Somewhat, yeah, somewhat. Because I did start to develop over the years, I did start to develop a little bit of phobia of crowds. I started to feel a little like I would get a little anxiety when I couldn't move and I would get stuff.

And so that became a thing for me. So say of an unknown ill-out scratch is waiting. Like I'm certain that when you're going in and out of hot 97. Oh yeah, it's happened to me. Like you know, you can feel in your peripheral that like five people over there waiting like for the moment of double dutch their way to like, yo, here's our new joint, whatever. Like, have you had some- The time, and I've really been lucky in the streets of New York, like,

and I used to run around by myself, like, and even when I was young and, like, going to spots, I had no business by myself pulling up in the car, like, and people know you're Angie Martinez. Of course, and I had this, like, I don't know, I had this, like, false sense of security in this city. And honestly, people made me feel that way. They made me feel that way.

Like, one time I got my car stolen, my car was stolen. I got on the radio and I was like, you know that somebody stole my car you know that somebody called the radio station was like Ange we got you I know who it is it'll be downstairs

by the time you get out of work and they returned my stolen car this is how the city made me feel like treated me like in I don't know that's beautiful that's beautiful

isn't that amazing so I would walk around the streets and I felt a sense of like you feel love yeah I feel love I'm not stupid like I wouldn't put myself in bad situations

but I did feel maybe a little bit of a full sense of like always like safe And I don't know. See, that's amazing because I don't know if I would admit that my car, like, because I don't want the world to know like, oh, you can easily get got, Questlove, like, that sort of thing.

But also feeling that comfortable. What are you talking about? Anybody in the planet could get, your car could get stolen. I don't think they stole the car because they knew it was mine. It was just randomly stolen. But I'm just saying vulnerability is like that where, like, nah, like, fuck it. I'm not going to let nobody know I got got, that sort of thing. And honestly, I had a couple of times where I would.

leave this, and where the way Hot 97 used to be, it was like in the garment district, it was dark over there. It was like nobody was there at night. And I would leave by myself. I'd be like, it was no security. It was not, it was just me. I'd get on the train 2 a.m. take the train home.

Like I was crazy back then. Like the Andrew Martinez, we know. Yes, absolutely. That's why I asked you earlier about like that being your only station because that kind of love is hard to leave, right? And I know people tried to get you because you had the mold. You had the model of what to do. I know people tried to get you to come to other cities

many and many and many of times but like I don't know You've never gotten goaded really from other stations I have to think about it but nothing that like out the gate I mean when power first came in there was definitely feelers out for me

at the beginning of that Not even the beat in L.A. Like I just imagine like L.A. call I was such a New York girl That's true You know what I'm saying? I didn't even want to be syndicated because I didn't want to have to like compromise

At what point were you guys being syndicated? No. I didn't. When people would say, are you interested in that? Oh, like what Tom Joyner does and that sort of thing? Yeah, I wasn't interested because I know what that means. It's this, you have to kind of change. No more localization of.

Yeah, and I just wasn't. I was like, yeah, I'm good. That's amazing. I love it. That's amazing. You didn't see that as an opportunity? Not for me. Because I got to change who I am.

And that's no judgment. Some people can do it. Like, you look at what the Breakfast Club does. If they were only on in New York, they'd be the same show that they are all the way. But how I am and how I deliver, I think works for New York. So you're saying, all right, who were those two, the two guys that were on Hot 97 that were like, they were the original D. You're talking about Star and Buckwell? Yes, I was like, the original D's is a mirror.

Right. So you're saying to me that as a New Yorker, you could have been like crazy or whatever your personality was. But if you're syndicated, then you really have to dial that back. And also, I didn't have that crazy. I was never the, hey, first of all, I didn't do a lot of gossip. I didn't do, I wasn't a shock jock. I wasn't, I didn't have this crazy over-the-top personality. What I had was a knowledge of my city, an authentic perspective about the music.

People trusted me and people felt like they know me. And I felt like I just didn't want to compromise any of that. I wanted to, I didn't want to, I didn't want to shift that to like, do a radio show that was like, oh, you know, you got to talk. General. She can't speak specifically to New York anymore. I always felt like there's other opportunities. And then once the internet opened up, then why would I ever do that?

When people could watch my interviews on YouTube and I could do it the way I do it without having to kind of compromise. Was there ever pressure at any point, or in a professional or even in a toxic way, to do more? that's something out of your zone? All the time. I mean, you know how that. All the time.

And every turn. Sometimes, I mean, I'm sure there were points in my life or my career where you try because you want to win and you try to figure out a way you could do a certain thing, especially when people start looking at numbers and all that stuff. But I don't think at any point. Were your numbers good? I mean, most of the time, not always. We all know you are.

I would tell you something, though. My whole career, people would tell me, oh, you're the number one. or you have this many, I never look at ratings. I don't look at numbers. I don't look at ratings because I never wanted it to make, I didn't, I didn't want it to affect how I show up. Right, right. But they let you know, though.

Well, for ignorance. No, they would, if we were in trouble, they'd say, hey, maybe we need to tighten up on this. And I say, okay. But the up and down of radio ratings is so crazy that I didn't, I never wanted to, like, fall victim to, like, watching that. And then also Flex watched it so hard. I felt like I didn't have to

to an extent. Okay, I was going to lead back to him. I'm not using him specifically as an example, but I guess I could use him as an example of which, you know, I've heard a few times where people like, yo, man, why don't you, you know, give up the keys of the kingdom

to let someone else younger and whatever. Yeah. But is there, like, how, I'm not saying doggy dog is it? Like, how often do you have to look in the rear view mirror to figure out like? It's a good question. Who's on my neck?

Yeah. And what does that mean? And there being anybody on your neck? So when someone new comes in, you have to wonder like, oh, do they want my spot? Or like, do you get how? I think probably a younger me was a little bit more aware of that than me now. Me now is just like, I'm supposed to be wherever I'm supposed to say. She's Oprah.

No, it's not that. I mean, I welcome. I'm always trying to get them to, I don't know. I welcome new energy, young energy, like around. So I don't know. I don't really think about that. But I think at some points I probably did. But for short periods of time.

You can't let yourself... You know, whenever you're looking over there, it just alters your delivery, alters your state of mind, and I always is aware of that. So even if I look over there for a second, I'm right back here. Okay, so the world that Steve and I belong to, which is at 30 Rock University.

Yeah. The sign of, uh-oh, is when as a not a staff person but as a union guy like the guy

that does a camera a guy does a light like a crew guy the sign of oh oh is when they tell you you got to go to the today show

so because of the way that New York has like union rules and all those things you can't like fire someone or

yeah you just put them on the shit job right you can't you can't never get fired from, like, you have to do something extreme, like, kind of short of murder. I hate that, by the way.

Well, yeah. It's cool for radio, people. I'm like, they don't really do. Right. So when you work at 30, like, if you get in, oh, my God, you're golden. And people fight for the job because it's like, you dental, like, you get insurance and all that stuff. I didn't come up in that.

So, but the thing is, is that. And I don't believe in that. What? You know, I come from, like, if you not, if you don't want to. be here or you're not delivering or this is not a good fit then let's all let's keep it moving right but what i'm saying with him is that the uh-oh thing is like you got to the today show which means like uh-d-d-d-d-day show like i got it well not it's because they can't fire you being on the today show is so inconvenient because now you got to wake up at two in the morning

to work at three and all that stuff i guess they could do that that you eventually quit yeah they'll put you on sundays at 2 a.m. Yes, that's not radio though, but if it's over, it's over. Well, now, I mean, now I'm at I heart. That's a difference, a similar type of machine. It's like a big company. So there's a lot more rules than over the years. There's more.

So what's the undesirable hour? Like, what's the undesirable hour? Yeah. I would imagine it's like overnights, even though I had a good time doing overnights, but I would imagine who, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think that's a thing now. I don't think that's a thing.

I don't know. So all times are good times and? No. Radio is just so different It's just so different. I'm like asking these questions That's a person that clearly doesn't listen to radio I'm like this not even like a date

Everybody has a date part with a real life physical person Somebody came to me and they were like Hey Andrew we were thinking maybe you should do Sundays at midnight now That would be great right I'd be like yeah no thank you though This has been good times We could easily just go our ways now

That wouldn't work for me But luckily I'm in a position in life Where I can do other things and I'd be fine so A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. It was a good one. I like that saying. It is an actual Polish saying.

It is a lot. It is an actual poll. Yeah. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong.

Listen to the Nick, Dick, and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So for you, what was your wildest, like, historical moment that you felt was at Hot 97 at its peak? Oh, geez. You just reworded the question I didn't want to answer before. which was what was your favorite what was your biggest interview you're oh wait I did ask that before I'm sorry you rew what you read that's like are you not sentimental that's what an interviewer does they go they bring it back around if you don't answer it the first way that's what a good interviewer does well I would

figure that you would have like one I caught this freestyle or I met Kendrick Lamar for the first time or could it be so many but do you have any idea that this was my life for so many years that I did this every day That every day something was happening. And I'm in New York City at a point when it's Wu-Tang and Jay-Z and Nas and Mob Deep and, you know what I mean? Just an endless stream of artists every single night coming to the show. Every day. Assuming that you were at, for years.

Assuming that you were at Summer Jam during the takeover period. Like it wasn't weird to see like Michael Jackson just backstage at Hot 97. like, oh, yeah, you're here. That was pretty great. That was pretty great. You just got a reminder because I see that. It's been so much. That was pretty great.

Okay, let me think a good one for you. You want to go? Yeah, I want a campfire story, damn it. Oh, damn you. I'm a nerd. You are. I love that about you. It's good.

I mean, you know, you know, there's, you know, the Jay Nause battle happened on my show, right? Did you know that? Did you know. That we played two records and the whole city voted, and that was the moment when that was a huge moments. So what was that? No, this, what were the two records? It was, which I thought was unfair, but it was really super ugly.

Oh, I was listening to that night. Okay, okay, got you. It was super ugly versus ether. And what happened weren't we? Yes, we were. Wait, wait, do you remember how I was saying earlier, like when there was no competition, you could do whatever you want? You want to do a 20-minute talk break?

Good. Where's everybody going to, where's everybody going to go? They're not going to go anywhere. You can talk for 20 minutes. Now competition has come, right? Now there's two hip hop radio stations in the market. So now you have to be a little more careful and tighter, otherwise you're giving it. So in the middle of this Nas J thing, I'm scared. I don't want any parts of it. Flex is like, if we don't do this here, they're going to do it down the block.

Do you want that to have, like, you know, Flex is a beast, right? So he says, we're going to do this. I'm going to start it on my show. We're going to play the two records. People are going to vote all the way. We'll finish the voting on your show in the afternoon tomorrow. Brilliant. Brilliant.

It actually is kind of brilliant. Yes. I was resisting it because I didn't want to get in the middle of that. Right. You know, it's Nas and it's Jay and I don't want to be in that. Right. Switzerland. But, you know, I was kind of thrown in it.

And so it was huge. It was, I had, nobody could anticipate how big I mean. I don't even know how. And these were like real boots taken and everything? No, we sat there. And counted the boots. We sat there. And it was like, honestly, it was a lot of people in the room.

K. Slay, rest and peace. God bless. He was in the room. the interns were in the room there was like anybody who was the other DJs were hanging around for real? No because this is a huge thing so people from the sales department

were like popping in to see and so we're sitting there answer in the boardups like with a tally with like one line two lines like we're doing this two phones we're taking votes who won? Come on man I mean I believe I believe ether won right

I've never heard you tell you yeah either one the crazy thing is Ether 1 and Jay was on his way to the station to do an interview with me because Coincidentally or just like... No, what had happened was super ugly people didn't like

it wasn't received. Well, he went too far. Why was it super ugly? Why did he go against super ugly and not Ether versus Takeover? Because he had to think about the timing. It was current. It was... Ah, it was okay, gotcha. So all this time had passed after takeover, Nas dropped Ether and then all of a sudden it was super ugly and everybody was like, oh God, which one of these

disc records is better. Can I say I never like the beat to Ether? Yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah, I didn't either. Shut up. Well, it's like I need to. I always know like, you need to dance to.

And I was like, oh, this is one of the things where I got to listen to it. And I couldn't hum it now to save my life. Like. No, I feel you. You ain't wrong. You ain't wrong. Yeah. I definitely remember that.

Anyway, so as I'm announcing, and the winner is, I could see my peripheral in the window. I can see Jay walking in. Uh-uh. The winner is Naz. And then Jay walks in the room as I'm saying it live on the radio. Oh, literally he was there to see the reason. I could, as I'm saying, the winner is,

I see Jay walking in from the peripio. Oh, my God. It was horrible. And I adore Jay. And so it was, I hated the whole moment. I hated. What did he say, Andrew? And then because I felt so uncomfortable,

then, you know, Nas took it wrong that I was being so like, feeling bad for Jay. He was like, well, what about me? So then there was all this weirdness that happened. Luckily, after years, you know, all the years later, we all are, everybody's egos. Everybody's great. I love to see either one of them anywhere. And, you know, but in that moment, it was, you know, when you're in it and you're younger

and you don't really have a perspective of where it's going to land, it all seems so heavy and serious in the moment. Now we can laugh and is it. But in the moment, it felt heavy, man. Also, because the streets are listening. The streets are listening. And I'm thinking, oh, my God, did I just help rule? in Jay's career?

Did I, was our part of this? Is this going to ruin him? Because in the moment, in the moment, that's the biggest thing in everybody's life at that time. In the moment, you think this could be the death of his career. You know, it sounds ridiculous now,

but in the moment you don't know that and it was bad. From what I recall, I think, like, he came on the air. He was fine, obviously. But then he come on the air and you sort of... He apologized.

Yeah, I was about to say, like, it was a humbler, like, Okay, I've released for a little bit. I'm sorry. Yeah, I think he got a lot of calls, including from his mother, who said that he had crossed the... And he saw he just wanted to be like,

yeah, I crossed that right there and is what it is. And he tried to say his stay. It just was an awkward time. His timing was the whole thing was just nuts. All right. And then Nas got mad in me after because he felt it wasn't fair.

That you're playing sides and stuff. What do you mean it wasn't fair? You won. Right. But I understand from his perspective also. him sitting home and being like, hey, you should be happier for me. Like, what's going on here? Now, in retrospect, I can understand his feelings.

Anyway, so, you know, it's all growing pains. It's all, like, growing pains. Did Flex apologize to you for putting you in that situation? No, he was like, this was great. Readings. We killed it. You killed it. But, you know, it's history.

You have a field of pressure in that way because you had these beautiful relationships and long-lasting relationship that when you are in your job, asking questions, moment where they might look at you like, Ange, why are you asking me that? You know, do you ever have those, that kind of... I think a younger me, a younger, because I feel like I've changed a lot,

but I think a younger me maybe felt victim to that a couple of times where I'd press because I'm like, the audience wants to know. I think me as I got older and I started realizing this really doesn't matter and it's not worth, it's not worth me... The relationship, sacrifice. It's not even about the relationship, because it's not about, if we don't have a relationship, that's fine. But it's not worth me disrespecting somebody

or making somebody just putting somebody in an awkward spot in my home. I don't like not only that moment, but I don't like what it says to people listening how we should treat each other. And so I think, you know. You know what? I think I just remembered that actually,

I think your best interviews were with 50. In which even, I hate to be this person that's like, but when I first heard my first 50 cent interview, I was like, oh, yo, he's, he's the best the best interview I hate that I hate

well I hate No he's gonna say he's smart And I hate that when people Like oh you speak so well Whatever Yeah But I

No no no There is a There is a moment Where you realize This is a calc He's not He's not just wild He's playing a character

He's brilliant No he's brilliant Yeah Yeah He's a marketer And he's a marketing Kind of genius And he also

And he's charming And he's Yeah all of those things But I will tell you because I didn't always love some of the things 50 did, right? But I love that I could have interviews with him and like push him a little bit. So you're allowed to challenge if you don't, if you disagree without feeling like. Yeah.

I mean, if it's an honest conversation, I'm not here to hurt anybody. But if I'm like, hey, a lot of people feel like this, I kind of feel like this too. What do you think about that? And it's nice to get it, be able to have an open conversation like that. But he has said to me over the years a couple times, he's like, I definitely left your show bleeding a few times. I love your show I was bloody a little few times And I was like

Oh but please just let's be friends though Okay I never want to be for him That's the beautiful part's how you know Great too are your gig Because I also had a respect for him He knows that So how hard was it

To transition To being an artist Oh that was tough Really like how So like speaking of the whole Imposter syndrome thing or whatever Like how Yeah we'll talk about

That was the prime of it for me. So how did you get talked into, like, where is this idea come up? Does Electric come to you? No, no, no. I'm at a club. I'm hosting a party as the host, and I'm talking on the mic and doing a little, you know, one-two-one-two. And KRS-1 is there.

And KRS-1 comes up to me after the party and says... Right, you're on I got next. And he said, have you ever been on a record, Andrew? You should, you know, you got, you're good. You know, you could kill it. I was like, now, you're crazy. First of all, this KRS-1. He's one of my role models.

And then he invites him. me to the studio and I do heartbeat and we do heartbeat with Red Man so I'm in so imagine this like you're I always say like imagine you're like a little league baseball player and and and Derek Jeter says come on down and hit a few balls with us at Yankee Stadium you're like fuck so you this was me I'm in the studio with Caras won in Red Man and um we do this song and then from there it was like a roller coaster then ladies night happened and then the labels start calling and I'm like what do you mean you want me to do a whole album this is you're not you're not you're single.

Ladies and I had four dim things. No, yeah, right, because them things. And if I could go and all those records were from the album that came because I did the Carriott and then Ladies Night and then. I was thinking of what was just single because that instrument. Dem things and also. If I could go, which more people would know if it wasn't stuck in streaming, hiding away from. Yeah, I was like, we can't find that.

I know. We just literally about a week ago finally got it cleared. It'll go on. Also, me or more. Oh, wow. Me and more. It'll go out and it'll stream soon. We just literally, like a week ago, just finally

So y'all gotta do a whole marketing blitz for that now. Like, you gotta do a... No, no. Come on. No, no. Let's lay out. Did, uh, I still spend me, I still... Oh, my God, please. No, I do, I do, my, no, my Neptune set is... Oh, those things, them things.

That's so funny. It's so weird. It's such a weird thing for me. It is? Did that give you, I was gonna ask that, um, being the artist, did it give you a new respect for artists? Yes, this, I told you, I was like a rap nerd. Like I would recite lyrics I could like recite like Roxanne Chonte lyrics

MC Light lyrics Not just them LL cool J lyrics To the T And so when that happened It was so much fun It was like Oh shoot I love this

Like I really loved it But then there was a lot of criticism Because people knew me from the radio And I think I I let that get in my head And it made me scared And so I Because of conflict of interest

Or like No no no Just like who do you think Like imposter syndrome. Why do you think you should be allowed to do that? Rapper athletes. Are you allowed to spend your own records? I didn't.

No, I didn't. I mean, you could. I guess I could. I mean, lots of DJs do. Wait, am I mistaken? Like, New York has a lot of spins. So it was a, I mean, I don't know if it was a super hit. Ladies' Night was definitely a hit.

No, if I could go, it was a hit for sure. Right. And if I could go was the top ten record also. Right. But you know what happened? If I could go, I mean, some of those songs, Ladies' Night, like they'd play it on the pop stations, the Z-100 would play in Ladies' Night

and they would cut my verse out. Really? What? Yeah, I was going to ask. Or the radio stations, even across the country, if they were deemed the competitive market. Yes, we did. They would cut out the first. Because it's promo.

You can't be promo on the stage. Yeah, they would cut my son. So, wait, who is, like, if you're Radio One with Helen, what's her? It doesn't matter if we're talking about the internet. It was MS, yeah. They would cut me. They would cut me out.

So there was like some weirdness, but that wasn't the thing. It was me with imposter syndrome. And it was honestly, I feel like I stunted my own growth because I didn't, I didn't get, I was just starting to like, sometimes I see things and I was like, oh, you was about to get better right there. And I stunted my own growth because I felt like, like imposter a little bit. And I didn't, and it was just easier for me and I'm to be on the radio. So I just kind of leaned into that. Take you on was also my joint too. Huh? Take you on, the join with Calise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what you want. And it was always so, let me tell you. It was always so, because I was always so insecure about it that whenever I would see somebody that, I've never forget, I was with, I was in L.A. And I was very insecure about it. And I saw most, well, most deaf at the time. And I saw him in front of the hotel. He was like, yo, you killed that. I really, and I was like, so anytime an artist, somebody that I really respected would say something to me like that, it really like, it meant a lot to me.

You too. And then Talib one time I saw somewhere and he had something nice to say. It bent a lot because I was so insecure. And you did something. I don't think any other radio host has done. Like I don't think you made history. Yeah. How did it feel to be nominated for Grammy? Imposter syndrome, totally. Why am I here? Who put me here? How is this possible? And it was so quick. I went from never doing a song to I'm on the second song I'm ever on. And I'm at the

MTV Awards. Yeah, I was going to say, you guys performed at one. Once somewhere. At the MTV Awards. Okay. Yeah. So what was that recording session like? Like did you piecemeal?

It was a lot of it was piecemeal. My first time was by myself. Un was there. Rashad did it. Rashad Smith. The beat was already laid. The beat was already there. And I came in and I didn't even, honestly,

I was so green that I didn't, I wasn't sure like where the eight bars was supposed to end. Like my bars weren't. I wasn't even counting bars properly. Like I came there. with a whole book of rhymes because I didn't know how much I was going to need. So when you're in the studio,

is it like everyone get out the studio? Like, no, no. Are you the person that's just rhyme in front of people? No, are you kidding me? It was my second time ever doing it in a room. It was no. Okay. And then so, but then they had me come back to do ad libs. And when I was there, left, I was there with me.

I was wondering if one of her to you. Yeah, she was. And she was so, she was like, oh, you can't, like, she was just so encouraging and so sweet. And she had already, she was left out from TLC. Like, she was already, you know, traveled to world international group. And so that was encouraging. And, you know, it was eight bars.

It wasn't like, it was, I felt like, okay, I'm quick in and out. This was good. I did it? Every single girl said, I'm like, what did Kim say when she heard it? Was she like, damn, girl? I don't remember what Kim said, but she made me feel so, because, you know, we all did the video together. The video, we were all there together.

We weren't there for the song altogether, but the video we were all there together. And everybody was dope. Everybody, it was such a beautiful experience. I always say that it's like I'm really lucky to have had that experience because, you know, you're in a room with Mary J. Blige and Queen Latifah and Little Kim and the brat and Missy. Could you imagine? Like, this. A lot of people there.

Tos there's there. TLCs there. All in one room. Creating a video. And most of our minds, y'all is already friends anyway. So, yes. I mean, I knew a lot of them, but not. We hadn't really, I definitely never worked with any of them. I just started rapping.

It was my second song I was ever on. Wait, did you? Well, Angie, we have a special surprise. tape for you of some alternate takes and false starts from your... You have the 72 bars. He's going to make the song. I just love you. You had a whole rhyme.

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What Googler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know. Do you mean the, like, the president? You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president? the law crozette.

God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one. It is an actual Polish saying.

It is an actual Polish saying. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually thought it was. I got that wrong.

Listen to the Nick Dick and Paul show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't know the circumstances when you left the station. But even past radio, like, at what point did you ever feel at any point like, okay, I did this? Or, yeah, just like, you know, the artists are we younger than, or that sort of thing, like, I don't understand this music or that sort of thing.

How do you wrestle with, because even as a DJ now, Struggle. Well, fear. All right. So I did, I got ambushed with a play for the kids thing. And I've, you know, already said, like, look, I'm just trying to do, like, throwback adults, like, that sort of thing. I don't want to do nor. You want to do adult contemporary.

I want to know. Right. I want to know who's going to be there. And there's the thing where, you know, I had to hand out a bunch of scholarships to a bunch of, like, you know, needy kids. And the kids love you. And then, you know, I got gassed. And I was like, all right, I'll DJ for the kids. and then...

They were looking at you like, what are you playing? No, well, when I tell you, I play Lil Uzi Verde's joint. 50,000 times. I made a 15-minute mix. I've never seen... I'm so mad that shit's just an interlude. You know that song's only one minute. That song's only one minute and 20...

That's a good song. Because even when we got him for SNL, I'm like, yo, y'all realize that this is just a minute in 25 seconds. Like, it's an interlude. So I've made a 15-minute version of it. And, of course, the kids were like... They went crazy. Yeah, bass.

I did baseline only, his voice, drums, his voice. Like, I did a billion versions of it. I just stressed it. But you're also a personality. Yeah. So was there any time where you felt like a disconnect where it's sort of like... I think I had to pivot a little bit because when I say I started and I was all about, I was a rap nerd. Like I knew everybody's lyric.

I knew everybody's album cut. I knew, I knew, you know what I mean? At some point I had to, I pivoted a little bit because. I could not keep up. Thank you for saying this out loud. No, so, but what you can do is that everybody's human. Okay. Everybody's having an experience of creating and sharing and being vulnerable.

And so I started talking to people a little maybe less about their craft and me who they are more. And that to me is timeless, right? You know, you can talk to people about who they are and what they're creating forever. Okay, so you're a hardcore New Yorker. So I got to ask you this question. Yeah. So I think in 97

is the first time that I heard Ha by Juvenile on Hot 97, which to me was like a pivotal That was a moment. Even when I heard the radio, I was like, whoa, like... And then we played the then we had to hit the remix. This, right, well, Jay was, of course, you know, Jay was like on top of it, but when I heard it, I remember having it, we had a conversation in the car. I feel like we only played the remix, I'll be honest.

No, you played the remix? We did. Okay. And. Are you sure? Oh, I'm definitely. I remember us having a conversation. I was like, wait, what borough is he from?

Because in my mind, it's like New York only. You have to be new from New York. East Coast only. And I don't know if it's tip. If somebody played, somebody played for me notorious thugs by Big. And you know, it has a notoriously long intro, right? It was like they wanted to test my face.

Like, yo, listen to this. And they put it on. and I was like, what was this? Like, bone thugs in army, whatever. And so, a minute goes in, I'm like, what am I listening for? And when I heard Biggie rhyme, I was like, wait, is this allowed to happen?

Like, it was, that was such a crucial moment. And then hi happens. And I always wanted to know from like a New York DJ's perspective, what was the feeling like when suddenly it's like, Oh, we got to be more national. South got something to say. Well, no, but just include other. But I think, I don't know if that moment was the moment

because then it was still niche. It was still like. I don't remember any down south song before how, I mean. Yeah, I'm just saying it didn't. Groups that sound east coast like ghetto boys. That we have to. This was like a one, it's a splash of something. That's what I thought.

It was. It was just a little splash. We weren't fully immersed in opening up to everything. When I say we, I'm just saying New York, because I didn't, I was never one who picked the music. But I think that was, it was, you know, that was the one record that was kind of cool and it was great. But eventually there had to been a memo where it's like. At one point the floodgates open, right? And it's funny because I was on maternity leave.

I had just had my son. And I was out for months. And I came back to the radio. And by the way, I came back to the radio. My first big interview was Jay-Z R. Kelly after the concert. Yes, I remember that. But we can get back to that. But we can get back to that.

Oh, yeah. Damn. You were there? Fuck, no, I wasn't there. I remember I listened to the interview. It's like the funniest shit ever. It was online. Whose perspective?

She's going to lose her thought, man. She can let her finish her thought. You're going to ask me a question. I'm trying to answer. Okay, okay, okay. Wait, now I forgot the answer. Oh, no, no. I came back from maternity leave and we're playing,

no, this is like, we're playing Laffy-Taffy. We're playing. I wish I had a list of all the songs that were out at that time because I feel like it was like seven-th ice cream. How I was saying, like, when I was out, it was dope. We liked it, but it was just the one song. But when I came back from maternity leave, it was like I came back to a different land.

And it was cool, but it felt, I felt out. I was like, wait, what's happening? All of these? Was this like, oh, five, six? It was 2000, 2001? Yeah, my son was born in 2001. Oh, she said, laughing-taffy. Only because Laffy Taffy.

Laffy Taffy was like, oh, five, I feel like. Am I? Is that right? No, Laffy Tappy. No, I don't think that's right. I got an album out around that time, trust me. It's very easy to check. You can get airplay because they were playing Laffy Taffy and you couldn't get the airplay, so you wouldn't know.

By the way, I could be crediting them for a moment that it wasn't that song. Now I got that in my head, though, y'all, so thank you. I believe it was that song. I don't know why. I'm going to look it up right now. Yeah, Lafie Taffy was 2005. Really? That was 05.

Okay, so then it must not have been Lafrey Tabby. What was 2001, too? I mean... A Southern song? No, and it was a bunch of... Oh, maybe was it like... Slow motion was starting to become a thing. A juvenile slow motion was a thing.

We definitely played slow motion. I was thinking about it. When it was Bouted and ice cream and all? Well, that was 96-27. I mean, back that ass up. I mean, you know. But you know what? That I remember, you know, they did...

This was such a genius move where I remember once the Spice Girl label just purchased commercial time on Hot 97 to play wannabe. Like they purchased. Is that right? Dude, it was the most shocking thing ever. Like, you never read a magazine sometimes. You're like, wait, what the hell is this doing here? And you see at the very fine print of the top, like, special advertisement.

Like, it's not a part of that might, but it tried to trick you to be like, right. Smart. The Spice Girls at one point purchased like two minutes and 30 seconds. I love that you remember that. That's crazy. No, because I would be in a car with a bunch of people and we would have these hip-hop debates or whatever. And I was like, yo, they're playing the Spice Girls on Hot 97 right now.

But then I heard, you know, like commercial. It was the smart tactic at the time, right? Played the music first and then the words came out. But at the time, I thought it was like them playing it for real. And then. That's how they got that BDF? But I always wanted to know just how did you guys feel about that paradigm shift of South Runnership.

Not only that, but now you've got to bring them on the air and talk to them and some of them have chips on their shoulders. Some of them did, but I always look at, like, when I was saying how I make a pivot to, like, really talking about people who they are and where they're from, to me, that opens up a, I don't know, that's what you love about hip-hop, right? Even when we started, even when the West Coast first happened,

it was the first time I learned about West Coast living was, I never went to California. Yeah, I didn't know what that felt like, until we started to be able to interview artists that were from the West Coast because the West Coast was popping. I kind of looked at the South kind of blowing up like that as an opportunity to learn about what was happening there too

because I never really spent time in the South. I didn't even, I didn't know anything about the lifestyle of it. So when those artists started flooding in and maybe I wasn't as familiar with them. You're a better person than I was. Really? I'm a close-minded. I'm close-minded.

Nah, because I felt a little disconnected because I didn't know the roots of maybe where some of them came from, which all the New York artists, I knew the roots of that. So I felt a little bit of, disconnected in that sense. But as you get to talk to people, people are people, right? Everybody has a story to tell.

And so I kind of just looked at it like that, like it's an opportunity. I was never somebody who felt like, oh, why is, I mean, to me, that's whack. To me, we're always evolving. We should always be evolving. I was always open-minded to that. And some of the records was fired.

Like, so I don't know. Well, in retrospect, now, like, I would, you were selfish back then. Well, I'll be revisionist. It's like, yeah, I always played this. But, you know, I could be. Maybe I could be. Maybe that's grown up.

me talking. And if you were to rewind the time machine, maybe there was a moment. Well, Angie, guess what? We can rewind the time machine. All right. So what was the story you had about that interview? Oh, it was, yeah, it was the night. It was after, it was after the night with Jayzee R. Kelly. It was the last night that he was on. He felt like somebody was trying to assassinate him. Yeah, was there? Were you at the concert? Again. He was, fuck no. I was at my house in North Carolina. Wait. You don't have to give a witness.

You were never in R. Kelly's presence ever. But he did hear the interview, I think. I heard the interview. That's always fascinating to me because I don't know. I heard the interview. I remember because first it was like, I think Jay Z was on, but then like I think R. Kelly came. I forgot the order of it anyway.

But R. Kelly, he was talking about the night and he was on stage and it was just, oh my God. It was, it was just. Is it still on YouTube? Can I hear this? It's in the depths of like fucking. You know I have all these tapes digitized. I just digitized them a couple years.

Congratulations. Thank you. Because, you know, eventually you're going to have to have like a... Library of Congress. You want to direct my documentary about one of this stuff? Oh, after the seven, I'm done. Yeah, no, I heard. We were listening to it on the joint and it was...

Yeah, you know, I came on stage and I'm just, I saw a guy. I'm not saying what he had and what he didn't have. You know, wait. Timmy and had the background. Trimmy and woke up like, I want to archive this for the... She's like, Blacksonian. With the Black Sonia. Like, no.

But, anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Not that part. But, yeah, it was him. It was like, Archelle's talking about, like, how he came on. Stay, I guess he said, um, it was like Taita or whatever. I can't remember if he said. Yeah, he was talking about how he got sprayed with mason shit.

Yeah. Oh, Tad Maced him? Yes. You don't remember this? This is everything. I was on tour, yo. Okay. I mean, the only reason I knew was because.

Here's the story. His story. Yeah. So, hey, I was there. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was actually. I was just.

I was just. I'm just kidding. It was my life. I mean, I've been on stage. I rock, you know, for so many years. I see, you know, in my lightning man. And I was like, my lightning man. And I was like, oh, he's saying lighting man.

But like it sounded like he was saying lightning man. Rescue us. But, dude, it was just, it was, it sounded like, he sounded bad shit insane. It was, it was a crazy man. It was a crazy. I wasn't even my shift. I was, I went to the radio station from the show because I was at the show when the whole thing unraveled.

Yeah. And I was getting my, I was at the parking lot, getting my car. Michael Kaiser called me. It was like, Jay wants to get on the radio. I was like, okay, well, he can come by my show tomorrow afternoon. He was like, no, no, no. He wants to go on the radio right now. And we'll only talk to you?

And he wants to talk to you. So I had to call the program. They were to take off. I think it was Big Dennis was on at that time. I remember who was on, but they had to get off so I could get on. Because. Like, people feel some sort of way, like he will only talk to Andy Martinez and no one else. Yeah.

And so I went up there and I was like, okay. The funny thing is I was. at the parking lot, but right outside of Madison Square Garden, it was like, I was waiting in line because I didn't want to be like a jerk and like run to the front. So I'm like waiting in line for my car, but then when I got the call from Kai's, I was like, Jay-Z wants to get on the radio. They were like, let her go.

Let her go. Because everybody- Everybody in the line had just come out the concert, so they knew what happened. They knew what it was, yeah. Jay-Z's about to get on the radio. Let Angie get her car. So they let me go to the front of the line. What happened?

What do you mean? I legit don't know. Like, oh, well. A concert went down. No, no, no, no. They fell out. They were doing the best of both worlds tour. Okay.

And then the lights go out. Have it consoed. Allegedly Tata's pepper spray R. Kelly backstage. And then R. Kelly left and Jay, Jay had to finish the rest of the show at Madison Square Garden by himself. And he called on people quickly to hit the stage. Mary came. Mary came out. Usher came out.

People kind of came to rescue Jay. Lenny told me. Okay, so Lenny. Not rescue. Jay would, you know what I mean? Yeah. But he needed a show. I remember Kodak Lenny actually said that he had to run up and down the aisles and see like...

Find people, yeah. Yeah. Literally, yo, come up and do your joint or whatever. Yeah, shout out to Pegas. He was playing Usher songs from his, like, phone, and then Usher came and performed. Because Pecas worked at Arista at the time. Right. Sean Pegas, right.

Yeah. Is that right, Arista? Yeah, I'm so bad at, like, those little things. And you're telling me that, like... So the whole... So everybody in the concert knew what was happening. So then when we left, we were like, you know, that was crazy. What happened?

We don't know. And then from there, it was Jay wants to go on the radio and talk about it. So now anybody who was at the concert is listening. And I don't know how everybody would hear it because everybody is up at like midnight or 1 a.m. If somebody posted at the time, I feel like somebody posted it on OK player. There was no, no, no, no. OK player was social media. Yeah, yeah, true, true.

So, yeah, somebody from. I never knew how everybody heard it. Yeah, somebody up in New York. And I can't remember who it was or, you know, what the OK player it was. but somebody in New York, it might have been a Jose 30-30, but I can't remember. Of course. Of course.

They somehow had taken the stream or had recorded you on the radio. And then they posted a link for us to check on OK Player. And so that was how we heard the interview. So Jay came up to tell his what happened. He was so frustrated. He was like, look, you know, this guy, we've had problems and blah, blah, blah, blah. And he called it this guy. Just disgusted with Jay Voie.

He was so hilarious. And then he was, we got to. a call from Tracy, he was a program director at the time. She was like, listen, we have to be fair. R. Kelly called. He wants to come up and tell his side of the story, too. This is the middle of the night. This is the middle of the night. So I tell Jay R. Kelly wants to come up.

He goes like, that's fine. You can talk to him. I'm almost done anyway. I'm about to leave. Jay leaves. R. Kelly shows up five, ten minutes later. I could be, it could have been 20. I don't know. It was a few minutes later. This is all live on the radio. It's a moment in my show.

And his eyes. When I say, calling Tyrone. And the audience say, Colin Tyro. But you wouldn't know that. You're not a fan. This is on the air. Like, we'll listen.

Yo, bro, matter of fact, I remember this and I was over, I went to Knife's crib. Me, ninth, I feel like, I don't know what's Christ's with me. Maybe I hold me Mike Burr was with it.

But anyway, at the crib and we're listening to shit. I had no idea. In North Carolina. In North Carolina. Like, yo, what the fuck? I do know that after that, people would come up to me

from different places and tell me and I don't always curious, how did everybody? Because it wasn't, internet wasn't. Internet wasn't. And, like, you know what I mean? So it was always fascinating.

OK player was the, was social media. Yeah, it was. Like, we are definitely black Twitter. Yeah, for sure. Like, we started black Twitter. Yeah. So then, anyway, so then that happened. And R. Kelly showed up and his eyes were all red from the pepper spray still.

He had just come from it. Wow. Wow. Yeah, I think he, I don't, I could be wrong, but I think he went to the hospital first for them to, like, look at his eyes and then he came to the station. And so this was in the middle of the night. Now I'm interviewing R. Kelly in the middle of the night. It was nuts.

And remind us, I'm sorry because the mirror wasn't there. He doesn't know. What? What Arkelly said? Oh, well, you let him do it. He's doing better than name. Well, not, he, I mean, listen, I just remember he was, Arkelly was very, uh, arraigned.

He said somebody was in the crowd who had a gun. I will say, Angie, you were always professional, but like, you handled that interview really well. Thanks, man. Because we were literally on the other side listens like, yo, this niggas. Pre-gale king. Like, yo, we were like, yo, he sounds crazy. But, yeah, it was somebody you talked about you saw somebody with a gun.

And, yeah, it was, it was, he's, it was, he's, it was, he's, And Jay's side of the story was he was uncomfortable because Jay was killing it every night. And R. Kelly was in his feeling, so he just wanted to leave. He didn't want to finish. That was Jay's story. R. Kelly's story was he wanted to leave because he felt he was threatened because somebody was in the audience with a gun and he saw it from the stage. And he wanted to leave. But he said it like R.

Are you okay? Are you okay? Is this freaking out? I saw a guy. I saw a guy. I'm not saying what he had or what he didn't have. I was like, yo, you saw somebody. And you asked you.

like, so he had a good, I'm not saying what he had or what he didn't have. I'm saying I saw a guy. I saw a guy. It was very much like the tour, the tourier, like when you say teenage, how old we talk? It was the precursor to that. Like, it was, you know I mean, but yeah, but he

saw a guy. Oh my God. The wild thing is I would love to know to put this in the air. Somebody was in the room with R. Kelly that night, and this is early, I didn't use the video, it might take my interviews back then, never. So, but somebody was with R. Kelly, who had like a big old camcorder.

I'm not surprised. Somewhere. Oh, my God. I'm done. Wow. You set him up. Hey, guys, thanks for having me. It's really fun to be here on the podcast.

My point is that there's a video probably somewhere in the world of that interview. Yeah, somewhere. Somebody has it. Somewhere in somebody's basement. There's a video of that. Don't know more. Lourn's Jesus Christ. No, that interview, it was great.

Thanks, man. So that's probably her most legendary interview. No, no, no. There's other ones. Every day. The mom has spoken. Just for me. No, no, I'm speaking and saying that wasn't her.

It's been so many. I'm with her. I'm like, she did this every day. I'm just saying just for me. That was the one for me because you handled that. How about the locks fighting for their publishing? That's a cold. No, they could stop or fridge.

Yeah, that was a double door joint. That happened on my show. The double door joints. Nobody come get pop. And then puffs showed up the next day with receipts. Like, you have to understand. This was very much. I mean, because at this time, this was before I signed, like, before we, like, before a little

brother start going and stuff. So I would just be, like, hot 97 and all that. That would just be our window into kind of what New York was. Yeah, it was nice. And we was just, I remember me just being at home in the South just looking. I'm like, yo, all these niggas are crazy. Like, no, I don't need. to do this. So I would just come

when I came to New York, I'd come to New York, do my shows, whatever, like see my people, whatever, get my money, and I'd fucking leave. Because I'm just like, dude, this... I listen to Angie Martinez. I listen to Angie Martinez. None of these niggas sound happy. I'm ready, Steve, go ahead. Stop, stop. Stop. Steve, Steve,

you have old tape? You have... I was waiting for your cue. No, no, no. I have a question, though, since we're talking about your archives and you said you digitize them, do you have any kind of plan of how to release those somehow? I'm trying to figure that out. I have so many that I don't really know.

I feel like it's also like. All right, Timothy, Ann, damn. It's also a lot. No, it's not about waiting for the offer. I really, I leave a lot of money on the table. My whole career, I've left a lot of money on the table. I really operate from a place where I want to, until I can figure out a way to do it that is, it honors it,

and it's interesting and it's different and it's dope. Right. I don't, it doesn't need to, I don't need to do something just to do it. I assure you, as a person, that works in that world to you now it's just like yeah I got my radio shows

and 10 years would be like oh back in the day I got the but I swear to God like your Oscar future like 40 years from now like when you're 70 75 whatever that will be

like a piece of history that if told right where did that come from man where did that fuck commercial? Are you getting emotional? You got to pass the rasp on his joints. I'm like,

hey, hey, is he preaching? Yeah, he went to totally clips of the heart that has Bonnie Tyler on it. No, if told correctly, like, please, I beg of you.

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Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift who said that for the first time. I actually thought it was. I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick, Dick, and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. At what point were you fine with your radio journey and how hard was it to pivot into TV personality? And more specifically, with up close and personal, like with... I think that's the thing that's kept me in radio so long is that I always, at different points in my career, played around something else. Just to keep the creative juices going, whether it was music.

or whether it was, you know, little cameos in movies or, you know, I wrote a book. I think I always, the radio became almost like just part of who I was, and it was just easy, not easy, but it's just the fabric of what I do, but I needed to stay creatively and, you know, challenged. So that's kind of why I would venture off and do different things here and there. In your vision board or just in your life, do you ever, foresee

you becoming the station owner or... He always wants to do that to people. I don't. Yeah. I don't have any desire to. I told you a mirror. Yo, she's at Capricorn. I get, bro.

It's not my... It's not where my heart is. My heart is in storytelling. My heart is not running a business to help a media company. It's not where my heart is. My heart is in storytelling. And so whether it be during

an interview on the radio or just getting on the radio and talking about something that I feel like is storytelling or creating or writing or like writing is something writing for me is probably like what like for you like how you kind of finally have

got confidence about it you know I wrote that book and I always looked for other people to help me because I thought I wasn't a writer enough and then as I would go try to hire people I realized actually I'm better at better at this part of the story than me and so what was the hardest part about writing the book for you?

Well, all of it, because writing all of those pages, and it took me, like, years to do that. And I did have some help. You know, they brought, I learned a lot about storytelling from this woman named Mim Rivas. But she also taught me that I was actually a great writer. She gave me that confidence. So my book was pretty much done.

You're an MC. It's crazy that you didn't realize that. You're an, the combination of being an MC and a radio host? It's different. It's different. And thinking you could write a few bars versus write a story and writing. That's something else. Or being a story, too.

Teller is what I'm saying, is saying that you are a storyteller, and I think isn't that at the room? So here's two examples. So, number one, the book. I tried to get all these writers. I didn't like it. I'd do it myself. But I still didn't have, I still didn't feel it. Books are best, New York Times best seller.

I still feel, it was, yeah, okay, thank you. Oh, thank you. Something. Can I get that something? Oh, geez. My bad breath. No, but then I probably felt like you. After you asked, I still don't feel like a real writer.

I feel like, oh, that was my memoir. Of course, that was easy. and then I say, I have this other idea and I'm trying to get a script done and I go to mad people and I go to stuff and so I start writing it by myself during COVID because I'm home and why not? Who cares?

I wrote like two scripts while I started during COVID. It's called the pivot. And so now I'm, well, both of them are done. One of them needs a little tweaking. It's about your life as a... Well, it's not about me, no, but it is from my lens. Anything I do is going to be from my lens because it is what it is, right?

But, you know, I'm starting to feel, I'm starting to get in my bag with it. I'm starting to feel, like, confident about my storytelling ability as a writer and also as a creator. And so I think it's going to be interesting to see where the next couple of years bring me. I've never operated with this level of confidence or just clarity through my whole career. When I was asking about the hard parts of writing the book, I meant more so emotionally, like, were there any parts of your life that were harder to talk? It's scary to tell your whole story.

It's scary to say your father was on drugs and you ain't seen them since you 10 or you dated this person and that was terrible for you and your heart broke. It's scary to tell family things and personal things, but I did, I wrote everything down and I told myself when it's over,

I'll take out anything that I don't want to share. But once you get it all out, you realize it's just my story, it's okay. It's so scary to share, you know what I mean? But then once it's out, you feel good. I don't know. It's just you could be yourself. more in a weird way.

Does your son see you as like mom or does he like know the lineage of the... No, he does. He respects it. He definitely respects it. I think he likes to see the way people kind of... React. Does he have aspirations to be in entertainment or... No, my son plays ball.

He wants to be in sports business. He's studying sports management, sports business. He's a good kid. How old is he? How old is he? He's about to be 20 in June. He'll be 20. Yeah, he's a big boy Dang, we remember that.

Sports management. We know Sean G's son is like Yeah, that's what made me think of that. Top motherfucker now. I'm like, wow, I knew you when you were playing chess at the age of six and now you might be managing me in like a couple of years.

We remember when Angel was pregnant. That's why I'm like, yeah. So I have him, so he's 20 and then I have a bonus, my bonus son who lives in me. He's 17, Christian. He's doing amazing too. And I don't know, they, I think that they like,

I think that they respect my history and my career. But I don't think neither one of them are like really, they don't care about celebrity. Doesn't really impress them much. I love that about Gen Z. That's awesome. They're not like, yeah. They like people who, they just like people, but they're not really, you know, like,

hey, you want to go over to such and such yourselves? Yeah, no, I'm okay. Rather be over here doing this. So you, and you're sure that you don't want to just own the radio station or own the radio station. Come on. Why would I want to do that in 2023? Like, what? Why would I want to...

All right, all right, right. Wait, wait, wait. It sounds horrible. Thank you, people. No, listen. Listen to me. How many summers do we have left? Right.

Right? The sky's the limit. No. No, you're not... Most people don't live to 200. Right? So you have a limited amount of summers left here. Okay.

In this life, in this body. The stress. And I get it. Is being a radio station owner how I want to live out the next 20, 30, 40, whatever I'm lucky and. enough to get. Well, I don't mean be the radio station owner, but I would think that... You can't do that part-time.

That's your life. That becomes your life then. I'm not willing to do that with my life. I'm trying to figure out a way to rubber, like to stop micromanaging. Like, I'm in the game now where, like, we're establishing a, like, a production, brick-and-mortar thing. I haven't learned how to do that. Eventually, I'll get to a place where I can rubber-stamp shit. And not micromanaging?

And not micromanaging? Now, yeah. and I are like micromanaging everything. But one day I can build an empire and let it run by itself and then I can truly do nothing. When is that going to happen? Right? I'm like, that's a lot.

That's a lot. No, it's not a lot. Like literally... It's sad far. I'm sorry. I don't know if that's true. No, no, no, no. It's... You ain't did it about nine in your 50s, because... I want you to chill, man. I want you to relax, man. No, it's... Trust me, I got this. I... What do you think? I'm just talking in circles on this show?

No, no. Yeah, but don't you think it's you that has the gift that's, that is the nuances of that? Isn't it you? I don't want to walk away. So what I'm trying to do is figure out a way to keep this running and I don't have to be here to do it. Yeah, good luck with that. No, it's going to happen. I hope you do.

I wish you well. I just, I don't see it. Because a motherfucker wants family and to be present. Yeah, so you might have to let go of some things to have that balance. There is an exit plan because you cannot survive. in the level of stress that I'm living in now. I'm taking this on now so that when I am 60, 70, 80, 90,

I don't have to do this anymore. And there's an operation running, yeah. Yes, I'm determined to be the first black professional that actually retires. You remember, like, Jay was like, yeah, you know, I'm retired after my, like, second album or whatever. Like, things don't retire. I mean, I'm not going to retire.

Come on, boys are you, y'all are killing it over here. I'm proud of y'all. And I thank you. Thank you guys. This is our first real, real conversation. I mean, we had nice at these and pleasantries. I've been on your show, but it's also like to promote my product. But I feel like I got to know you.

Bro, your team of Suprema over here is comatose. Can I get invited to a game night? Because you invited me one time and I couldn't go. And I feel like because I couldn't go that one time, I have never been invited again. Yes, I will invite you to game night. So. I'm a little aggressive.

but I've gotten better as I gotten older. I know how to behave. Well, I also host, I don't play the game anymore because I had to host it. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, it's more fun because if I'm in the game. What games do you play? Sorry, I know we got to go. What do we play?

Well, a lot of people in their pandemic pivot have invented games. So I have like just a room full of like unused games that they want my opinion. I had the questions. Oh, yeah. Can I see all those? Right. You know, I have on my bucket list. in life

in life? What? What? It's to host the game show. That, really? I feel you on that. Do you know how much fun?

Yes. Because that to me will be so much fun every, yes. To be like, I got you, Angie Martinez. You got one for me? Did you grow up watching? Did you watch? Yo, first of all, I'm offended. I know what.

I was like, that was a bold-ass question to ask. No, I mean, she said game show, but, you know, I mean, that show has been on, like, yeah. But also the answer is yes. I mean, Saabodo is classic. Okay, I'm just saying. No, it's classic. She said, you don't know me, motherfucker? Yes.

Yes. You know, of course I want some Popeyes. What you want? Exactly. Come on, buddy. Come on, buddy. Saléigante. Yeah.

And I thank you so much for coming on the show. On behalf of Sugar Steve and unpaid Bill, did he go out for more cigarettes? No, no, no. He's unpaid. How can you ask why? Who spoke cigarettes in 2023? Fonigalo and, like, Laughing, like, yeah.

Sorry, I apologize. Yes. As a fellow Capricorn, like, hearing you talk about the way you move and the way you choose, like, it really resonates with me. So, like, I much respect and love for. Thank you. Thank you. Just for what you do, but for the way you do it.

Like, staying true to yourself and me, like, nah, I don't want to do that. That ain't for, you know, when you said I turned down a lot of money in this game. Oh, I'm the queen of leaving a bag on the table. I'm ashamed to say, but also proud to say. All right, we're going to end the way that we started, and we're all going to all live in our integrity. We're not going to self-sabotage. We're not going to dismiss our dreams.

How are we going to end breathing? Well, we've been breathing. Actually, I'm cold as shit. I've got to get out of this room. Yes, thank you. And let's love Supreme. We'll see you all next week. Thank you.

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