The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: BeBe Winans

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

Gospel/R&B giant BeBe Winans joins QLS to talk about his 40-plus-year career in music, film, and theater. BeBe details coming from one of the greatest and most voluminous musical families, and breaking off to build a duo with his sister CeCe Winans. The singer-songwriter also describes his friendships with Whitney Houston, Oprah Winfrey, Denzel Washington, and Jim Bakker and Tami Faye Bakker. This conversation has some memorable stories, powerful wisdom, and much more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore it's okay to quit if you saw it written down it would not be an inspiration it would not be on a calendar of you know the cat just hang in there yeah it would not be right it wouldn't be that there's a lot of luck yeah listen to thanks dad on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts production of I Heart Radio. Hello, sir. Hello. How are you?

I am fair to midden as they say sometimes here. Okay. It's good. Hello, everyone. How you doing? Yes, I'm Laia, by the way, because my name is harder to pronounce. What is it? What is the hard name?

I want to hear the hard name. Laia. Laia. Laia. That's not hard. The ear, Laeer. That ain't there, right? Lai is not hard

When you told It may have It may have been hard If I had to read it Yeah, right Yeah, we said Laylup for the first Two years

We all decided to get Remedio or reading class You look amazing I love that shirt Thank you Thank you Ladies and gentlemen Welcome to Questlep Supreme

Duo style I like this season We're doing combinations of solos duos Trio Amir Perfect Combination.

Yes. Is this our first duo? It's been a while. We've been like a couple times, but it's been a while. We haven't done a duo yet. I got that. I got that. So today, a special episode of Questlove Supreme,

today we are welcoming a Grammy Award-winning legendary singer, songwriter, author, television producer, actor, to say that he comes from a musical dynasty that rivals no one else. An influential musical dynasty is, is really understating it. It can't be emphasized enough how powerful. I come from the hip-hop generation. Yeah, when we see the W, we think of Wu-Tang,

but there's a certain generation. When you think of musical dynasties with the letter W, one name that comes to mind. And that is our guest is part of that musical dynasty. Of course, in addition to his bloodline and his siblings singing, his entire family singing, Our guest has worked with so many greats today, name him, Stevie Wonder, Air Clapton, and Anita Baker, Detroit's own Anita Baker, David Foster.

And I definitely want to get into his friendship and creativity with the one and only Whitney Houston. And right now he has a new single, Father in Heaven, with Saxophone as Gerald Arbright. We are delighted to have Brother B.B. Wine, Enzo on Questlove Supreme. Welcome to us. Thank you, sir. How you doing? I'm doing it. Or should I say what up, though?

Both I will say, too, I'm doing great. I really am. Great, great. Do you still reside in Detroit, or where do you live now? No, I moved to Nashville, Tennessee 40 years ago. But everybody, oh, 40? 40 years ago. You know, when you can say 40 and you got a whole lot of years after that,

you're old. See, you know what I do to stay young? I say, I would have said four decades ago. I try to compress it. You can say two score ago. You know, if you're talking to history buffs, two scores ago. Yeah. Yeah.

But so I moved down here 40 years ago and then the girls came tumbling after, which is C, C, Angie, and Debbie, my three sisters. So all of us live here in Nashville and our families. And so it's so you all are the, y'all are the pioneers because all of a sudden, everybody is. I mean, we knew that the country thing was happening, but when it came to the black country and the black scene, like Nashville's popping. So besides Jill, who else is in Nashville? You know, a lot of people have moved from the industry that you have Reese Witherspoon. You have Nicole Kippman.

I'm hearing now Beyonce's coming through this. Yeah, Todd's from SWV and Eddie George. Like, they doubt, you know. And George and everything. So Nashville has changed tremendously. But even when I moved here, I mean, if you didn't know Nashville, you would think country. But the reason why I moved is because it was such a great haven for writing.

Yeah. I was going to say music, not even country, but music. In general, gospel, inspirational, R&B, you had it all here, the writers. So that's why I moved. and my family was angry at me when I moved. I mean, to the point where you can't do that. I was like, whoa, whoa, I'm 26. Was it about leaving Detroit or going to Nashville?

Leaving Detroit, you know, my family, very close-knit of family. And me being the baby boy, I had six older brothers. And so they thought they were my father's too. And so. See that. Oh, that works out. First of all, how many whininges are there, siblings-wise? Thank you, Amir for asking this question.

I can say that either way. There's a lot of them. Or I can say it was 10, seven boys straight, my mom and dad had. I'm not a last boy and three girls after me. Wow. Okay. I'm not even going to get into the nephews and everything. Oh, when you add it all up, you know, we go to a certain city.

Family reunions are a nightmare. Every other Thanksgiving. Oh, God. last one, we had like 108 people. Wait, for Thanksgiving? Thanksgiving. How do y'all even decide that? Do you all just strong, like, flip a coin?

No, no. There's a certain, my baby sister is the one that's actually in charge. And so we rent five homes. And not only Thanksgiving, but we, that whole week. So after Thanksgiving is over that week, you don't want to see no more winings for a good two years. So it's Thanksgiving the family reunion? Yeah.

You know how many winans are on record? Literally, how many wine ins have recorded? Well, you have, you know, when my brother started off, it was the four brothers, the wine group. Then you had me and Cece. Right. My brother Daniel, who was a sole artist, you have my two sisters, Angie and Debbie. And then after years down the road, then my mom and dad reported. So they met.

My mom and dad met in a group called the Lemon Gospel Corps. That's how they met. My father was an only child, and my mother only had one sister. And so they met. And then their sister-in-law, Vicky, recorded. So within the family, tell you this, there's about 45 Grammy Awards. It's a Jackson's Wine in Battle. Oh, no, the wine is won.

Oh, okay. Damn. At least in the pop world, like, you know, the silvers were allowed to exist and that, like, I think to most people, the winans are the only dynasty that matters in gospel. Even though I'm certain that there are other Hawkins family. Yes, yes. The Clark sisters, yes, yes. And so, yeah, we grew up together. We being me and the Clarks, us and the Clark sisters, you know, same high school, you know, Fred Hamm and all of them.

And so we've always been a great big family and understood the doors that they open, the doors that we open for other people for each other. And so, you know, we've always learned to celebrate each other. And everything that has happened for all of us, you know. I was going to say that it was really important for me to have you on here because you and your sister, Cici, specifically were responsible for like a paradigm shift in the Thompson household. Oh,

in West Philadelphia. So, you know, and I've explained this on the show a lot that there was kind of a period where, like, I basically came home one day and there was just a new regime. And my dad was like, we're all born again. Wait, huh?

What happened? And this is all I know. Something happened. in 79. And I kind of feel like the first domino that fell, because my father was in the music business as well. And the first domino that fell was there was a moment where, and Donna Summer explains this in her documentary, where it was like 78, 79. And this is when she was literally on top of the world in terms of her career and all that stuff. But of course, you know, there's the emptiness inside of her. And I believe she might have been.

contemplating suicide or whatever and whatever the situation was she had this revelation and she became born again and she shared this story on either the 700 club or the PTL club I believe it was the 700 club

but it's Pat Robertson right because of terrestrial television and not having access to cable my dad would just leave the channel on either

your PTL or 700 Club would just buy blocks. Right. Four hour blocks, five hour blocks on certain UHF stations. And my dad would just constantly keep it running. And so around 81, something really touched my dad in the morning, whatever, and he ordered something, you know, called this is 1-800 number to get your prayer package or whatever. And inside of that prayer package thing was a 45. and the 45 was

not exactly a cover of Joe Cocker and Jennifer Warren's love lifts up where we belong from Officer and a gentleman but a gospel version of it wow and my dad pleaded remember that version you are wearing me out right this moment this is both with them

Amir this is this is this is dude my ear so this will explain all the Prince punishments and all those things because I didn't get the memo that we are now born again and what that entails. Because before in 1979, I would say my parents were relatively hip.

They were 60s revolutionaries. Yeah. You were Afros and, you know, my mom, they had a sprawling record collection of 4,000 records. They were hip. And then something happened in 1980, 81. They became born again. And this was happening all, you know,

and I think that when you are like, in the revolutionary 60s and the hedonistic 70s, then the 80s were sort of seen as an atonement period for self. And man, when he got that 45, he played it so much. That's the only song that was on him? It was a 45. It was a 45.

But it's what made them stars. And then, so if anything, I think for a lot of, of people, they came to your brothers first? No. For my household, BB and Cece were first. Yeah, my household, BB and Cecee was first. Right. And then it was like, wait, there's more. So suddenly,

maybe a year later, I'm hearing this no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, song over and over again. I'm like, they got another song. It's like, no, there's and then, there's between 81 and 87. like whining's own the entire clan. So I definitely got questions to ask. Let's go.

I don't know if to say thank you or I'm sorry. Is that all I tell? You know what? Okay, so here's a deal. Oh, wow. Because I'm 12 and 13. And this happens with every 12 and 13 year old, like once your parents lay down the law, you see it as punishment.

You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And so, but, look, I say this way. I joke now that even I'm starting now to have fond memories of the pandemic. Like, oh, man, it was fun, like, living in the farm, you know, taking long walks, not having to work. Like, of course, in 2020, it was like, oh, God, the world's about the end. But now I'm starting to have, like, pandemic fond memories.

So that said, when I now think of like my tweens and how heavy the whinens were inside of that family, all of your work, all of their work, all of your simply like included, now I can say, yeah, those were fond memories. I'm not traumatized, no. The traumatizing part was wanting to listen to rap music and secular music and trying to sneak it in the house and getting busted. it. But oh yeah. Oh yeah. And so the thing is so but I'm tickled. I could laugh for the rest of this interview. I understand. So you have to understand being raised in the household I was raised in. My father laid down the law. There would be no other type of music in my household except gospel music. You live in Detroit, though. Detroit. I'm saying more town where one street. One's going to hurt. One street ahead, Santa Barbara, to the left. Smokey Robinson lived.

We used to rush to his house to shovel his snow because Smokey would give you like $25 instead of, you know. And three blocks behind us on Santa Maria lived Stevie Wonder. Not only was it Motown, four more blocks down the street, the four tops. So we had all this great, great, great music, and we could not listen to it in the house. So sometimes, you know, we would take a song from that era and then we would switch the words. And my father didn't know, it was what?

Flashlight is like the light or something. Exactly. What was your first musical? Well, wow. Okay, now I don't know to ask us. What was your first musical memory in life? Well, you know, so growing up, seriously, in the household I grew up in,

music was always a part of my life, whether that was in church or at school, in the school choir. So it was always a love of my whole entire family, not knowing it would be our career, but my father and mother saw the passion for music. And so they sacrificed. You know, my father was a barber by trade. He worked in the car, manufacturing, and everything else between it. You know, because he had to support 10 kids. Wait, can I ask you something?

Yeah. Were they part of what we would call the great migration from down south where blacks were escaping down south to go to the north? My great-grandfather, yes, from Mississippi. Okay. So they came to Detroit to find industry and... Yeah. Okay.

My mom had definitely born and raised in Detroit. And so we, you know, my father had sacrificed, bought us a piano. and none of us went to school and learned out of play piano. We were self-talk. But we had a passion show. They really poured into us. So we sung all the time,

you know, not knowing it would be our career. Yet and still, we learned so much in, my father used to tell us, before you are international, you've got to be regional. I mean, national.

Before you're national, you've got to be regional. Before you're regional, have got to be local. It's real. And so we were taught to be faithful with our talent. So, you know, whether with three people in audience, we sung like it was 2000, you know,

and gave it our all. And then doors started opening here. Door started opening there. My music, me and Cece, was totally different from my brothers because of my fourth grade teacher, Miss Bonds. I'll never forget this, because it shifted me.

I always wanted to write more, so it always been more passionate of writing than singing. And so in the fourth grade, she said to the students, I have a poem, I'm a read to you. And that was really the time to go to sleep. But she read the wind. And when she read it, it captivated me.

He said, why does the wind so want to be here in my little room with me? When he's all the world to blow about and just because he keeps him out, he cannot wait a moment still, frets upon my window seal and sometimes brings a noisy rain to help him better at the pain upon my door. He comes and knocks and he rattles and rattles at the locks. He lifts the latch and stirs the key and waits a moment previously. Tell me why does the wind so want to be here in my little room with me? And I was like, thank you, Jesus. Whoa, whoa. Wow. That was profound to you.

Oh, it was profound. So when I wrote songs like love said not so, I wanted to write it in a way that caused people to think, you know. And so doing that, it separated me and Cece from my brothers. And Cece and I wasn't a duet until we went down to PTL and joined the PTL singers. And Jim Baker came in the room and said, I heard a song on the radio from an officer and the gentleman, and I want, you know, changed a couple of words.

And I want you, Bibi, and Cici, y'all sing it together. Jim Baker. It was that instantaneous? That's how we became a duet. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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I don't know what that means, but I just know the ground. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration.

It would not be on a calendar of, you know, The cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft.

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So he put his money into recording the first 45 for my brothers. as that continued, that door opened another door and that door. And before you know it, my brothers met Andre Crouch and the disciples who were our heroes. And he signed them. Oh, it's a light records. It's a light records, yes. Where was light located? In Los Angeles.

See? I thought it was a Detroit label. Okay. And the first single that was released in 1980 was questioneers. No, no, no, no, no, no. And I came in backwards, but so that first album did start the dynasty. So me and Cici, it was a, the question is, was out first. And then me and Cici released that first single for PtL, Lord Left Us Up, where we belong.

And so we were on different tracks, probably a year. year or so in between the release of their song and the release of our song on PtL records. I'm still in shock that Jim Baker's ear, in my mind, his ear don't hear y'all, but he did. He did. Yeah, I'm in shock of that. So you have to understand. So me and C.C., we had, before we came to Ptel, we had a group, and it was called the Wienings Part 2. And in that group was another brother, Dan.

At the time, Vicky was married to Marvin and then another friend. And so after a couple of years, Cece and I, I remember us looking at each other saying, do you feel what I feel? And she was like, I think so. So we had to go back home to Detroit and tell the rest of our group, this group no longer exists. Y'all got to go back and get that. How easy to do that. That was so difficult.

Did people walk away upset? Oh, yes, my father was angry because, you know, my father was like, we got to stick together. And I said, Daddy, we are, but me and Cece. Well, first of all, okay, are you and Cece, respectively consecutive in age? Cici's the first girl. I'm the biggest boy. You see the eldest girl, you're the youngest boy. Okay.

How do you guys even pair up? Like, were you two just that close in the age? So Ronald, my brother who passed away 20 years ago now, he put me, my brother Daniel, my brother Michael, together with C.C. We were the Christian version of Gladys Knight and the Pips. Okay. Elementary school, and they were in high school, Mumford High, which had a lot of great talent in that high school. And for their talent show, he made us. go sing at that talent show. So we had that group, and then as time would have it, Michael would leave our group and go to their group, and they became the Wynens.

And so it was just, it kept evolving. Balving, yeah. And still, it was him and Tammy that brought us together and caused us to be a duet. PJ, was that North Carolina? Charlotte, North Carolina. It was the place, if you wanted to be explained, on Christian television, it was PtL.

It was much bigger than TBN and CBN and all those other places. So I met all those people, me and Cici, because everybody came through PtL, even Hollywood. You know, if an actor became a Christian, he came through PtL. It was the place to go. And they were racially welcoming to everyone, too. Well, Jim and Tammy was, but at the time would go on, you know, I would learn a lot how they were attacked because of me and Cici. They broke ground in having these colored children. Whoa, that was controversial?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Jim and Tammy. Death threats. And he hid us from those. So I'll jump over to, you know, I have a book and I have a, I don't. of the book is the musical that I wrote called Born for this, which looks like now, 20, 25 spring, it'll hit Broadway. But one of the things that I did, I went and set with Jim, who are still friends to this day, because they became like our parents. They really did, and they protected me at C.C. And so I was sitting with him, and I told him, I said, Jim, you know, me and my co-author, we took

some, you know, lead and said there was, you know, some threats. And Jim looked at me and said, Bebe, there was many threats. I was like, what? He said people would call up, they're coming up to shoot us and kill us and how could they have these black kids on the show and this and that. Oh, it was, it was unbelievable, the hatred. I'm like, these beautiful chocolate babies, too. Like, what? Oh, they was angry. And then after we received. see, we did that duet. I mean, you thought you were tired of listening to Quest.

We were tired of singing that song. It was every day. How long did it consume you before, like, you eventually had more songs in your canon that you could, you know. Yeah, I mean, we sang that song seriously every day for maybe, every day twice or three times a day for two years straight. And so because of that, we were asked to come out and sing various other places. And so that's when I had to say, Cici, we got to create some duets.

And so taking songs that Amy Grant sang, taking songs that this one sang and made them duets, and would go do that. And so, and that's when we realized, you know what, I think we're supposed to be a duet, you know, and went and had that talk with the family. How did the kind of fallout of 87 affect you? And what pivot did you have to make once the PTL empire kind of came crumbling down? I don't, is it over now or is... There's other people in that space. So when we decided to leave, it was years before that happened because C.S. he was getting married, moving back to Detroit, and I thought, hey, we came together,

we're going to leave together. So it was the hardest meeting we had. And Tammy cried. We went to their home for dinner, and they cried, and we both cry. And then Jim said to us, he said, you guys are going to be huge stars. And we started laughing. He said, I'm not playing. You're going to be stars. You know, and, you know, talked about, And we're sorry to let you go, but we understand, right? So we went back home to Detroit, and then we got a call saying a year or so later, Jim and Tabin want you to come back. And you can have the freedom you need because we have recorded

and things started moving in our career as a duet. And you can have all the time you need, but they just want you to come back. And we agreed to it. And then all of a sudden, get a phone call said, Jim said no, and no explanation. So it was like, this is confusing. I mean, we were- You didn't know what was happening.

I know what was happening. And so when everything tumbled and everything came out, we realized that he was protecting us. He did not want us to come back and be caught up in the store and the thing that was happening. So he was still. still loving on us, still protecting us, as he did when we were there the whole time. I ran into a card as I was cleaning different drawers in my home, and there was a card from

Tammy Fay Baker that she wrote to my son, B.B. Winens, soar, mom's going to miss you. And so it was, it was very moving, but they saw what was going to happen in our lives before we saw. Did you ever watch the biopic that, uh, yes. Did you feel like it was depicted fairly or? I thought some things were predicted fairly. You know, Tammy Fay was one of the sweetest persons you ever want to meet. I mean, when she passed away, it was a very hard thing for us. And Jim has always been a supporter, right?

they were dear to us. To this day, Jim, not don't agree with everything he says, but, you know, that's life. At the same time when I opened the musical, born for this, the regional run in Atlanta, Jim came to that. So I had Jim on my right side,

and I had my mom on my other side. Wow. There's a scene. There's a scene in it where I was dating one of the singers. And actually, Tammy, and this was the racism that existed, Tammy was upset as well as others because she was a tall blonde, and she said, you can't date, Bebe, because it's not right. And so we ignored it, and they fired her.

So while this scene is going on, Jim leaned in and said, I didn't know that happened. I'm so sorry, I said, Jim, that was. I said, you know, that was 30 years ago. You haven't got to be... Wow. That's so interesting. The subtle racism of things.

Oh. And that's still... Right. And yet she still loved you, but that's... Oh, that's what, that's southern white folks, I guess. Exactly. But you're talking about something that's embedded in... Yeah.

You know? When you're obviously not going back to PTO, was there ever trepidation of fear of, like, what now? What do I do? You know what? Never fear. I was always a big dreamer. And some people, so my father used to say,

there's a thin line between confident and conceited. And some people may think you're conceited, but what you're going to be is very confident and believe in what you have, right? So I believed that CC and I would accomplish things that was even beyond our dreams. And so I went for it. So I went to Nashville, you know, with a friend and took meetings and then brought

Cici in and everybody was saying no. One person said, I don't even hear a talent. I was like, whoa. I mean, wait, what? That's what the record company said. And I looked at him and I said, okay, you mean, you don't hear none? That was confusing to me. Okay.

But that's what he said. And then we kept going. And so I never ever thought this is not going to happen. Never thought that. Never. And so the last record company, which was Sparrow Records, said yes. And that started the serious step and shift in my sister's career. And the writing, again, we knew traditional church.

is not going to like this and they get angry, but that was no fear because every song I wrote, I had my mom listened to it. And if my mom gave me the thun up, I was good. I was good. So that was the path and never stopped. How are you even aware of what's out there if it's not allowed in the house?

And did you guys follow the rules? Or was you under also like Richard Pryor status? where you had to like sneak and listen to it. When you walked up the house, there's no way you couldn't, in Detroit, Michigan, there's no way you couldn't hear. Okay. Or Topps and Stevie Wonder and all these other people.

So no. And good music always caught my ear. So my favorite singer in the world was Donnie Hathaway. Oh, if you wanted to make me smile, say, oh, man, you sound like a little bit like Donnie. What can I buy you? Got it. To me, he was the greatest singer of all times.

He really was. So there were vocalists, there was writers that I kind of gravitated to. And when I wrote a song, I wanted the song to be kind of like this, you know, you know, it was just my imagination. So it was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that was, those were my heroes. Those were the kind of songs that I was, I was gravitated to. So when I sat down and started writing stuff like,

I'm lost without you. So don't ever go. Move mid-tempo. And lyric was the most important. that I said something that would cause people to be uplifted and to give life another try. Now, here's the thing. When I first heard, and that's a good example, like, with I'm lost without you, I mean, obviously, you know, there was a period where I remember second grade, somebody, either Sheena Valerie, like someone in my school wanted to see you light up my life. And my music teacher had to say, like, you know, that's a gospel song, right? They're like, no, it's, you know, like, we had no idea that you, the lie in my life

was singing about God or whatever. At some point, I always wondered if using, especially in an example of I'm lost without you, would sometimes, would you sort of ambiguously blur the lines of the pronoun? Because we often think in the gospel world that be you. and sometimes it works in the secular world. And love too, love. Right. And I think in the secular world,

like, Philibale once told me, like, it was some Earth Went and Fire song, a thing was like I had enough. And I'm thinking like, oh, Villabelle's singing about it. I'm so tired of being on the road, and I'm coming home to you, babe. And he was like, no, I was singing about

I'm coming home to God or whatever. As a songwriter, you know, would you say that you could catch more fish if your song is spiritual, but you don't know where it falls. And so what I always say and truthfully say that is, I wish I was that smart and I wish I was thinking that way. I was right.

I always, this is my reality. I felt like I had the authorization to tell the world what God meant to me in every aspect of my life, in my love life, in my friendship life, in my family life, in my public life, in my private life. Every area of my life, I felt like I had the authority to write about. So lost without you was definitely all about me saying, Lord, if you leave me, I'm totally lost. I am really totally lost. Now let's jump into the song down the row, me and Cece are in Chicago doing a concert. It was one of those musical amphitheaters.

And not knowing the night before, Janet Jackson was in Chicago in concert. She saw our names. And the next thing I know, I'm sitting there because Fred Hammond was on the showing show. And I'm listening to Fred Hammond. And somebody said, excuse me, Mr. Weinins, you have to come. come to your room. It's like, no, I'm watching, you know, Fred. No, no, you have to, I'm watching Fred. Mr. Weinin's, Janet Jackson is on the way to your room. Like, Janet, if you're nasty, Janet. I love that. That's your reference. I love that. My room? And so we go back to the

room, Cece and myself, and up drives this four-car convey, and Janet gets out and comes to the room. And the first thing she wants to ask is, tell me about Lost Without You. It's my favorite song. What are you talking about? Really? Yes. I never agreed.

And so that was one of those moments that I realized people interpret our songs the way they hear it. And that was okay with me. You know, I always feel and I always felt then and now where there are people, whether it's in the club, where it's on the street, in the church, in a different venue. Where there's people, there's ministry. And so I'm always excited when my song goes beyond the four walls.

Wait, can I ask you both a question? Because oftentimes on this show, I would think that something is created and new, but maybe sometimes I'm wrong, so I don't want to assume this. But for me and my generation, you were that person who blurred the line. And yes, you initially, maybe you didn't think you were talking about God. But then when you realized you were talking about God, then it was like, oh, this is even better. I'm good, you know? So why did this feel so special?

Was there anybody else before who really could grasp that, like, fine line? Like, who is? I mean, so you had, again, you had the Hawkins family. So, Edwin, you know, when he did Oh, Happy Day, that thing went cross, you know. But he still said Jesus Christ, though. Yes. but it went to the pop chart. I got you.

Okay. You know, music has a way, even before the lyric of how it's produced and the rhythm of it that will cross the lines. And so you take that rhythm that we were taught, you take also the message, which is important. And I remember after every album we recorded, I would sit it on the dresser,

and I would say, you know, Lord, I did my part. Can't wait to see what you're going to do with it. And so they get a phone call from someone in another country saying, I was on a dance floor, dancing to addictive love. And it was my song. And then I realized, oh, wow, oh, that's a Christmas song. Is it okay?

Is it okay? It's okay. And it changed their lives. And so I'm always excited when things like that happen. But, Bebe, did you hear what you just said? Like, I'm just saying, y'all know that our grandmother's was like, don't you be dancing to that gospel music. But to me, when I read in the Old Testament,

when David danced out of his clothes because of what God had did. So, you know, I was free. When I went to PTL to Charlotte, North Carolina, I knew there was something happening inside of me that brought down the walls, man-made roots. and I really found out more personally who God was. So you have to understand. My first movie was E.T.

And I remember sitting, I had to go see it twice because the first time I saw it, I couldn't even. You didn't make no. I couldn't even enjoy it because I heard thunder. You got it. Yeah. I got it. Got it.

A win is a win. A win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way,

this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment

and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream,

this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck.

I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends.

Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Vodom. My next guest, you know from Stepbrothers, Anchorman, Saturday Night Live and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell.

Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come, look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you,

which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. and he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat.

Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Sliced podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East-West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects, from hidden traits

teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth.

You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Sond's, correct? the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Gregalespian and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. and breaking news at Americopa County

as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped Podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For you, was there ever longing to, like in making the first album in 84,

was it somewhat by design that to not make it too funky, to not make it too slow as to not turn off the older gospel authority. Whereas come 87, you guys are like, hey, here's breakbeats. Here's a drum machine. I'm going to make it sound like today's music. Like, were you ever caught in the controversy of don't make the sound too? No, never.

And so the answer to question is just so it takes me back. back to PTO. So Howard McQuarrie was the musical director. And he's the one that called, knew my brothers and asked if we could come audition. So he has a meeting. And the last minute, Jim Baker called another meeting. And Howard comes to me and say,

Bibi, you got to do me a favor. You've got to go in and meet with this guy. His name is Keith Thomas. He's from Nashville. He's coming up to meet with me, but I can't meet him because of the thing. And I looked at Howard and said, I'm not going to meet somebody who's coming to me.

I mean, that makes no sense. I would disappoint him as well. And so he said, Phoebe just go and meet him. Not knowing, Quest, that I was going to meet the person that I would collaborate my whole career with. Right.

So when he started playing on the piano, it did something inside of me. It was like meeting, you know, your spouse. It was like, wow. I mean, I fell in love with his courts. So before the meeting was over, I told him, I don't, you know, let's,

let's swap numbers because I'm going to Nashville and I'm going to sit with you. And there you have it. So it wasn't a thing of being worried about what people were going to say or how to navigate the craziness between traditional and contemporary.

I just found my partner and we just started creating. And so I, you know, I owe you me. It was like... Yeah, I was going to say, I owe you me was like... That was the first one. Right. Keith Thomas, to our listeners, don't know. He has so many numbers on the board.

You probably know him best for... I think he wrote Save the Best for Last for... For Vanessa Williams. Did he have something to do with... Pete Thomas What he did, Amy Grant's baby Baby, baby Yeah, yeah, he did

So Keith was not being utilized much at all in the Christian world until he produced me and Cece and then people started finding out but understand after the first album Me and Cece were now signed to Capitol Records and so we went out to California had the meeting with the CEO

and all these big executives. And then the CEO said, okay, you know, you guys are going to work with different producers. And me and Cic sits in there. And I said, no, no, we already have a, you know, producer. Keith Thomas, he said, oh, you know, you're big time now. You're in the big league. So you've got to work with big producers.

And so long story short, I realized, oh, you're not asking us. You're telling us. Right. And so I looked at him happy to be on Capitol Records. and I told them, but if we can't use our producer, then I will grab my sister's hand and we will walk out and y'all have a good day. And he said, well, you would leave Capitol Records?

And I looked at him and I meant this. I said, don't get it wrong. Glad to be here. But you do not hold my future. God holds my future. True. And so we will walk out of here. And that man said, well, I guess keep producing.

They didn't know he was white. They didn't know anything about him, but he brought us to the party. The reason why we have this meeting is because of Keith Thomas and the collaborative chemistry that he and I had. And so I'm glad I did it because because of that, you have the slew of things that me and my sister accompanied. So on that first album, yeah, you pretty much are utilizing your siblings. as auxiliary voices.

Yes. Is that obligatory? If you wanted to work with another group of background singers, would your family feel some sort of way? Like, do you... No, we were always... Now, the only thing about us using each other is that we were free.

Yeah, I was going to say, and how's that work? You had to pay nothing. Why not? Why would I pay Cici? Why would Cici pay me? That made no sense. So if you wanted to you, and that was just how we were.

Well, not Cici, but everybody else. That means that you got some other folks in the backgrounds too, right? In the family. Debbie and various other people. So if we used other people, which we did, you know, you had to pay fees. And so whenever we wanted to, you know, if the budget ran out, hey, Marvin, how you doing? Damn. I need you all to settle on a recordist.

up and help us. And to this day, you know, I turned 60. I can't believe it. It's two years now. I'll be 62. And so when I had, I always wanted my 60th birthday in London. So I decided it's the last minute to hear a concert in London. So I called my brother and I said, hey, you're going to come to London for me. He said, I guess I'm not getting paid. I said, why would we start paying each other now? Forgive my ignorance in asking this because I still feel like I'm relatively well adept in my Wynan's ology.

Has there ever been a collective... 2300 Jackson Street? Yeah, a collective Wynan's album project? No. No. I only had... We did two Wynan family tours, international and national tours.

And we had the most fun. It was absolutely incredible. But after we came off of those tours, I don't never have to see another one again. And this is the reason. So as the youngest, boy, are you the agitated? No, no, I'm the one that does the, work. And so I'm creative in the place of, and I enjoy it in putting this song with this song

and this and that and that. And so I'm creating the whole thing, giving permission to do it. And then at the last minute, the older brothers wanted to come in and say, I ain't doing that song. Yes, you are. So it would be back forth. You told me to put this together, but I didn't tell you that song. What are you singing that song? I mean, up until ladies and gentlemen, please welcome. Who is the alpha whining? Who is dad when dad is not there? Well, Marvin thinks he's there. I thought it was Marvin.

Dad was alive. He used to tell my mother, I'm your father. I'm not lying. You call him up and he'll say the same thing. So, but he was, and still, he was the songwriter of the Wynens. And we all, you know, used to always say he's the greatest singer in the Wyandons family. At the same time, he is not the one that does the footwork, you know. Right. And so I'm that one. And then, you know, you always meet. Okay. He's that big brother and little brother, you know. Right.

But, Bibi, you got like nephews and nieces and stuff. Now, I'm curious if there's a baby, Bibi coming up. up in the family who now is like, well, Bebe, remember, you used to be that person, but now I know my finger is on the pulse and I... We wish we had that. Now, we do have great writers. C.C. Son is really a great writer, Alvin Jr., producer. He's produced some things on her album. And in Juan is one who, right.

So we have some great writers, but these days it's hard. I don't know if it's just this generation. I want to do no work. They just want to walk in and just, hey, no, it don't work like that. Here's the thing, though. And I hear what you're saying. Yes. Defend them.

Come on a mirror. Yeah, defend the people. I kind of believe that everything that we've been generationally taught, our parents, our grandparents, our great-grandparents, and so on and so forth, I now believe that we might have to let maybe 80% of everything we were ever taught. Whoa, it's a lot. I know.

But here's the thing, though. And the number one thing that I'm trying to get rid of, even for a person that doesn't know me, I have this James Brown rep, you know, hardest working man. And it's really my fault. It's my fault. Like, oh, you're doing movies one day,

you're doing records the next day, then you're writing a book this day. Because I was kind of raised in that environment that like... Work hard, work hard. Yeah. Work hard, work hard. And then the pandemic came in the first time in my life. And I don't know if you've had this same experience.

But the first time on life, for eight months, I did nothing. You know that feeling as a workaholic. If I'm even asleep past 10.30 a.m., I feel like the worst person on, I hear my grandmom, my dad, like that sort of thing. So to do that for eight months in a row where you just, you don't do nothing, and I'm the world's most overachievingest overworker, after six months, I was like, wait a minute, let me find out the key to life is not, whatever we complain about the younger generation, Right. No. So I'll say I'm now 60-40 where I now agree with the younger generation. Smarter, not harder.

But my approach is this. My answer to that is this. This is my philosophy. Okay. Two plus two will always equals four. Now how you get there, it's, you know, in this year, 20 years ago and 40 years down, row. Two plus two will always equal four. So unless you're Terrence Howard, but I won't even start that. Look, I want to get involved in any Tarrants are.

But where you're going to go forward. It's always going to equal four. So no, I've always believed that I didn't have to follow the path that my father followed to be successful. I didn't have to follow my brother's pattern to be successful. So, but you do have to have a dream. You do have to have the understanding that you have to work towards that dream. I'll put it like this and I'll end it like this. A friend of mine, a friend named Ren Brown. He said, Christians don't want a miracle. They want magic. They want to say,

oh, I want this house. Bam, that house is there. He said because a miracle has to have your participation. And so a lot of times this generation don't want to participate in what's there. They just want to sit around and wait for magic. Ew, no, wow. Okay, now you make me feel bad because, here's the thing, though. Why you feel bad?

Well, because, again, because I'm literally taking an active exercise to see, okay, miracle versus magic. And you phrased it perfectly. With miracles, you have to be actively involved, an expert in your field. know what you're doing with magic you do nothing and it happens yeah so here's the thing though I'm right now at a place in my life where between the Christian side of me versus the metaphysical side of me and you know a lot of it also has to do with me studying my African ancestry right to say you are like 20% Christian you better stop Well, no, but dude, like y'all are, I mean, at some point.

No shape, no, no, tape, baby. You have to start somewhere. Well, and understanding, look, my father said, and maybe I answered this way, my father used to tell us, y'all not the greatest things in the world. Don't you sit around and think you're the greatest thing is the world, but you're going to be confident. You're going to be the most confident singers in the world. Okay, so that's what he said when I was younger.

I had to perfect my vocal ability. like I have a son. He was 16 or 17, 18, 18 at the time. He said, Dad, we're going to do a duet together. I said, you and me? Yeah. I said, no, no, no, no, no, we're not. You're not waking up today, and all of a sudden,

you're doing with me. And the reason is not that it has nothing to do with my love towards you. It has nothing to do with your desire, even if you have a desire. He can't sing. Oh, wow. Time out, time out, time out. Time out.

Time out. Are you trying to tell me that somewhere on this earth, there's a human being. As the last name of Wynens. There are many. He doesn't know how to sing. There are many. Really?

What is that like? My oldest brother, David, he can't sing to say, his life in our ears. That has to be psychological. I refuse it. No, no, no. Bibi said in his ears. No, no, no. In his ear, in his ear, in his ear, he think he can.

So when we went out on those two rounds of the Wyden's family, or he was with us, but the sound people knew, don't turn his mic on. This is monitors, his ears. But in monitors or nothing. You're horrible. A win is a win. A win. I don't care which I'm a win.

Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and

entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl.

You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit. a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me?

The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wodom. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with him one day, and I was like,

and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come, look for up-and-coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you,

which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. and he's like just give it a shot he goes but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore it's okay to quit

if you saw it written down it would not be an inspiration it would not be on a calendar of you know the cat just hang in there yeah it would not be right it wouldn't be that there's a lot of luck listen to thanks dad on the iHeart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast

This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in someone, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.

Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Gillespie and Michael Marincini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police.

As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. To close my statement, only because the period of me finding out by my African ancestry and the pandemic forced me in a place. where the most that ever happened in my life, out of nowhere, happened because I sat around and just stayed silent. Yes.

And then it happened. Of which the conflict to me is like, well, are you going to dismiss 40 years of the insane amount of hours that you studied your skill and your practice and all those things? My dad had a rule in the house. Like, you've heard the idiom, practice makes perfect. my dad's idiom was perfect practice makes perfect. He was Joe Jackson on steroids. So the thing is I can't dismiss the preparation and the over-preparation of having a skill

makes you better. But I got to admit that this generation might be on something. I'm only three years into this. And trust me, as an overworker, who is a, on your side of the fence with miracles versus magic, I decided to just backslide a little bit from miracles and to see, just to see if the magic is there. If I do nothing, will magic occur?

Well, but, but let me answer that this way because faith is not magic, but faith is something you don't see, or you can earn. True. Okay. But works is important to make faith come to existence, all right? So I've always seen myself being what God had prepared for me.

I didn't see it, but I believed it. So one of the things that I've always taught my children and the upcoming artists and everything, you have to see yourself as successful. You have to see yourself right now. You have to know your worth right now. So again, I always go back to my father. I mean, he really was my hero. But he used to always say, before my children leave my house,

you're going to know who you are. So when you go on to the world and they tell you who you are, you won't believe it because you already know it. So it's this generation. What I enjoy is that they have a confidence that we didn't have back then. and they have some of the tools that we didn't have back then.

But don't forget they got it on our backs, too. But you know us two, still equals four. Yeah. And every reason that they have to rest today is because of our work. Yes. Like, let's not forget that. Like, yes, baby, you can rest today.

Because we worked yesterday, because we worked a day before that. Exactly. The word of appreciation of that work. Mm-hmm. Look, okay, so yes, gratitude is important. Absolutely important. I mean, because, again, you know, some of my heroes have passed away this year and I've gone to their celebrations because I had to be there to say thank you.

Shetter before they passed away because they opened doors. They did a lot of the knocking down of the doors and everything. And so as Cece and I have, you know, I knew then this door that we're knocking down is not just for us, but it's for the Kirk Franklin's, for the Mary Mary's, it's for. or all the other people that are following us. And they could go through the door because they did the work. I'll say, that's perfect. Perfect analogy. I don't know if you remember.

We did, I used to do all the, and I still do some, all the music behind the scenes for Oprah Winfrey, right? Mm-hmm. And so we did the Legends Ball. And I was over the music for the Legends Ball. And so Oprah decided at the last minute to put this girl in the lineup. And I called her and said, what are you doing? This woman is not ready for it.

She had a nice voice. She had an nice voice. She reminded you of Aretha Franklin in her presentation. And so long story short, hey, you got the last word. She was in the lineup? But I knew, was she ready for them ready. And she wasn't ready, not because. because of the talent she had inside of her,

she wasn't ready to stand up in front of... That people. Aretha Franklin. Yes. Night. And Barbara Streisand and all these other people. She started tanking like the Titanic. And at that moment, at that moment,

I can't say that I was very merciful. You came in same time? So I saw Oprah get up and she ran around to the stage where I was and she was at, and I wouldn't, I wouldn't even turn around. And they said, beep me. Oh, come on. Oh, I'm telling you the truth. And she said, Oprah wanted to talk to you.

And I look at her, she was waiting, coming quickly because this woman is dying. This whole thing is going down hard. And so I went over and she said, you got to do something. And I looked at her. I said, oh, oh, you want me to do something about the person that you put in the program that I told, oh, I was enjoying the moment. That was evil. But it was beautiful.

But it also, but you know, the friendship that you have with Oprah in that way, because she need that, true, she need that honesty. And I'm short, yes. And that is two plus two. I'm sure that's why y'all been friends as long. Like, come on, girl, I told you. We saved the day because since the legends, you had to have legends. and that was the Hawkins family

that tore the place down. They went after her, after the young lady. They went after her? No, no, no, no. That was the group that I had lined up and I had everything else lined up. He just stuck her in and it almost took the whole thing down. To Oprah's credit, and you got to remember

that Oprah came to national prominence as that woman in the country, color purple. We didn't know who Oprah Winkley was. They could easily given that role to someone of Oscar caliber, you know, whatever. You know, I can see that, and I've seen a few times where Oprah might want to highlight someone that's untested true and see if you're ready for it. And this was right, but not at this.

Right. But I repeat again, Mr. Wein, is it's a testament. to your relationship with Lady O that has been lasted this long because at the level she's at, everybody don't have that level of honesty with her. And so I just think it's beautiful that y'all still have this relationship and it works.

I mean, our relationship goes back to the first six months of her show. I was called and I wrote a commercial for the show called I Found a Friend and Oprah. So our relationship goes way back. We agree that I had the relationship, we had the relationship where we would tell each other the truth no matter what. I love that.

She has been a great friend and vice versa. You know, but at the same time, you know, you still better lie to me. Anyway, no, I am that, I already know I'm that friend. I have taken the burden. Stop, stop. I take it. I love it. I love you.

But in that, in that, that is so funny. But in that, this is why she wanted you tell the story. This 30, this 30 years right here. here, Beebe, okay? But I tell you the truth. One of the things that I love more than anything is friendship. And if you really have a friend, that friend is going to tell you the truth, you know, especially in this industry where you're surrounded by people who act like.

And that's Questlove Supreme. Thank you very much. No, no, no. I'm going to stick on there. But I was going to say it. So it also shows that I'm guessing that. part of the result of this friendship is our ability to see Greenleaf. Exactly.

And so the funny, so that story is very simple. My niece, who was, who is, loved acting ever since she was two years old. She knew what she wanted to do. And so I got behind her in her years, and she was playing the part of Cece in my musical. And so I had a table reading in New York that I had Oprah Come and various other people, Sicily Tyson. And then after that, I get a call from Oprah about Greenleaf. She sent me the script, and she asked me to read it.

And then she said, well, your niece, but I know she's doing your play. I would love for her to, I said, girl, whatever you would love for my niece to do. Don't worry about my play. Oh, I know your niece. How much passion was to act. And so she did the work, and she ended up on the show. And excited. There's other things that are happening.

that me and my niece is going to do a movie together and she's going to play my daughter in this movie. So I'm enjoying that moment that we're here. I love you. I love you still. Don't say her name. He's just like, my niece, my baby, my niece. That's my girl. Speaking of Greenleaf, I became really good friends with Merrill on the show.

The other thing that I've done that's different after the pandemic is making time for fun and joy because people are like, you're too serious. You work too much. You don't take time out for yourself. And so I've started like a series of game nights. And Merle is also a part of my Wordal group.

You know, we played the New York Times Whirdle. And there's eight of us. And, you know, it's a vast story of people, actors, actresses, news people. And literally, I'm keeping an eye on our scoreboard. And she, Merle is an overachiever in gaming. right now. So I'm giving it, I'm giving a shout out tomorrow. If you play Scrabble and you have feelings, don't play with any of my family members. Wow.

Oh, we come at you. Oh, we come at you with sarcasm. You put a word up there that we're not familiar with and we know it's not a word. Now you lose that. We start creating sentences with that word and it's it breaks your heart. So, oh yeah, you don't want to not Scrabble. Is there profanity at a wine in this game night? Is there profanity? No. And because it was just not in us. We weren't raised.

So the one of- I was going to ask, are you guys allowed to argue? Oh, yeah. I mean, but if we said when we were coming up, if it were shut up, that would just stir my mom and dad. Like, don't you say that?

Yeah. So, but we became very good friends with Whitney, right? And she became like family. And one day, Cece and I were over. about. And she was, she was, you know, we're talking about the first major. She's Whitney. She's Whitney. But she said, I got to

ask you all question. It's like, what? She said, I've been wondering to ask you all this all the time. Okay. What? She said, y'all don't curse. Yeah. Why don't you all? What do y'all do? What do you put in the place of them words?

It was so funny because it never dawned on us that you're checking out every word there was. She's feeling like some type of way. You're not. But every now and then, and then she stopped doing it all together.

And my answer was, Whitney, it's not in me. It's just not in me. There's more vocabulary. You will know how I feel by the words I say, but they won't be loaded with words

that maybe you're familiar with. And so it's important, I think, more than ever that we teach our children how to stand up, how to argue, how to get it, you know, anger and hatred does not benefit anger and hatred. You know, I can say some words to you because the scriptures even tell us that let your words be filled with honey and sweetness. You can kill them with honey and sweetness more so than the same hatred that they use. So I've always been a fan of that.

But that's for another. Well, yeah, I wanted to ask you because, well, one, I wanted to know what compelled you to write a book about Whitney. But just basically talk about the friendship and the fact that I think since your second album, she's basically the auxiliary Wynan's family member. Oh, incredible relationship. And it just happened. It just happened.

There was nothing we did, nothing she did that caused us just to be like that. And I just, I remember her saying, for the rest of my life, you guys have to be in my life. And no major, no major choices I will make without sitting with you all. And we're like, what? Okay. You know. That last part was heavy. But is the bonding based on vocal skill, or is it just based on the fact that you guys grew up?

There's elements there, but when I say our hearts just was knitted, because understand, she met my brothers before she met me and Cece. Okay. I met her. I met her because she was on tour opening for Jeffrey Osborne, and she was singing one of my brother's songs tomorrow in her set. I remember her walking out from the back and I said to her, I don't know what church you came out of.

I don't know your last name. I mean, I don't know your middle name, but I know you come from some church singing the way you sing. And she smiled and said, New Hope Baptist. And so we laughed and just that moment. And so I can go through the years,

but one of the things that always sticks out with her is I run every month. morning, right? Monday through Saturday. And I run my path and ask you, I go by this home. And every time I see it, I smile, sometimes I cry. It's because it was my first home. And I saved the money. And then because of race and various other risks that they see in the color of the student, they decided you needed 75% to put on the house instead of 50, which was, high from the get-go. And so Whitney called just like any other time, hey, what's going on? Hey, what's wrong? What's wrong? How about the house? Well, they, you know, through a curve.

And she's like, what? It's like, don't worry about it. No, tell me. And so I told her what's going on. The next thing I knew, Whitney flew in unannounced. And at that point, me and my wife, we stayed in a one-bedroom apartment. So she decided she going to spend the night, slept on the couch. And I remember walking out now. And she's Whitney Houston. She's Whitney Houston. The number one song is, I want to dance with somebody. Wow. Okay. She's sleeping on the couch. And I'm trying to sneak out of the door because you open the door,

the sun hits the couch. And so I'm sneaking out. The sun hits and she wakes up. Her hair is going every witch away. And I start laughing. And I said, boy, they can see you now. It would want to be with somebody tonight. Ah. She said, shut up. Where are you going? I said, Whitney, I just got to go on the air and I'll be right back.

Okay, because we got to go see that house. I was like, girl, shut up. And so I went, came back, we went to the house, going through this house, because every room, Whitney would say, oh, yeah, that looks like my brother's vera. Oh, that's like my brother's bathroom. Oh, that looks like my brother's laundry room. It's like, what's wrong with you? And so the last place, we stepped on the porch. And she said, oh, yeah, this looks like my brother's porch.

And then she hands me an envelope. And I say, what is it? And she said, she opened it up. I said, what? I opened it up. And it is the $50,000 that I needed to buy my home. Oh, man. And she said, I told you this was my brother's house.

And I was like, oh, man. I mean, I got to pay you. She said, don't you worry about. Okay, let's go. So, so when I run by the house, now I paid her back, right, and she called me, because I paid it to her accountants. And she said, they just called me, tell me you paid me. And I said, yeah, I told you was going to pay you. She said, a lot of people say they're going to pay me.

Right. Right. Right. But every time. And I sold the house years ago. But every time I run by that house, I can't help but think of her. Oh, man.

Help but think of her love, of the laughter, of every experience that we had together, which lives inside of me. And she was just, she was family, one of the greatest friendships I can even imagine. A win is a win.

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Yeah, the only thing they talked about was the problem she had with drugs. And it's just like, that is, that is not her. Let me tell you about the 95% of her that y'all don't know. And so I felt a need, and it was therapy for me. It really was because that was a hard moment. I got a call that night from her mom. and when she called me, she said, I wanted you to know what my daughter meant to you

and what you meant to my daughter. And I had to pull over and like a damn broken side of me and I just wept because not only is the news hard enough, but, Sissy, you checking on me, I need to be checking on you. But it was, we were family. We really were family. And she is the best.

Thank you for the book and continuing to tell these stories everywhere. Like, thank you. Let me ask because there's something I always wanted to know, especially when it comes to celebrations. And you mentioned it earlier. And yeah, I watched Whitney Service when it was on CNN. Oftentimes the war. will lean on the anointed gospel singers to really come through in one of the most lowest, saddest moments in a person's journey, which is their, I believe it's a transitioning, not a death.

But it's very sad for the people left behind. Right. And Whitney's celebration was one of those moments where a lot of joyful noise gospel singing needed to be utilized to help celebrate her. But I know that it has to sting extra hard where you yourself, even if you're in a mournful state for someone that you knew. Like it's one thing if you're just called, hey, can you sing at this funeral? His brother passed away and da-da-da-da-da. But could you describe to me?

Because I wanted to know. It was the most difficult thing you could do. Yeah, how did you channel or pull into you to step to the plate and really just... Didn't want to do it. Didn't know what... And for me, not even for my sister, not for my brothers. I'm not good at singing at, which I fell apart at her celebration before. before I started singing before and after,

because this person means a lot to me. Right. So the only thing other than God's help that gave me the strength to do it is that I heard what she would say. So when I got up that morning and I started getting dressed, I started crying. And then I remember standing up

and I could hear her said, now don't you mess up. And that's what she would say while we were alive, you know, each other. So I used to say to her, because she would call sometimes saying her voice was gone. And I would say, oh, I wish I was there because I know now you're going to really sing because you got to take different avenues to do what you do. I remember in New York when she sung at Radio City Music Hall for Clive Davis, it was something. She had this burgundy dress on. She was so hoarse and I was excited because I knew, oh, she's going, she's going to really give it to y'all because she has to.

So I heard in my head, don't you mess her. You better look good and you better get good. Wow. You know, because that's what she said in life, right? Right. And so that is what I leaned on and I focused in on those moments. moments, not that moment, you know. I had enough time to focus on that moment when I sat down and could just, you know, weep. I always wanted to ask you that question, like, what is it to

reach to use your gift when you might not necessarily be in the mind state to deliver, but you know you have to not only deliver for the church, but also you know the world's watching you. Yeah, and understand, not only deliver for them, but deliver for me. So before my songs touch anyone else's heart, it touches mine because it comes from my heart. It comes from my experience. It comes from the down times. It comes from the victories and the defeats. And so I sing what I believe, no matter what that is, you know, whether itsy-bitsy-bitsy-spy-spy-spy-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-yy-yyyyyyyyyy.

kind of spouty it means a different thing to me gotcha hey speaking of prouds and performing every night can you talk about your experience in playing harpo in the color purple like theater experience baby like what's that like for you oh that was a double-edged sword as you know

so I got a phone call from a guy named Scott that told me me, he wanted me to come in and write some songs for a new musical that was going to happen called the Color Purple. So I went in to New York, and then I remember as time was going on, I called Oprah and said, hey, they're making a musical. And her words was, that's stupid. Fast forward, fast forward, fast forward. Fast forward. Not too fast, but as I fast forward, who was walking down the street, I picked up a magazine, you know, this is when we had newspapers,

the USA Today. Right. There was the announcement of color purple coming to Broadway, and my name was nowhere on the credits. Yeah. And the guy wouldn't call me back. I mean, broke my little heart. But what?

No, no, no. You know what I'm saying? And so, hey. And then the next thing I know, Oprah is one of the producers and this and that. I was like, oh, okay, well, you know, that's like, This is hilarious. What? That's a lot.

And then I get a phone call. Opening night is about to happen. And Oprah and Gail calls me and says, you got to be at the opening. I said, I don't have to do nothing. Love God and breathe. Y'all know what happened. I'm not coming.

And then something in me said, go. And I remember going, hoping, you hear me right, hoping that it was a mess. You ain't going to tell us who was playing Harpo at the time, are you? And I was like, it was the hope, I forget it was just the cast. It was the original. Yeah, this is the original. I'm like, so I'm sitting there saying, oh, that was a good song.

Oh, man, that was pretty good. Don't you hate giving in? Shout out to Ellie Willing. Don't you hate giving in? I ain't give it. Give it. So at the end, I remember, oh, so I found Scott, and I went up to him and I said, I wanted just to tell you, congratulations, sir.

And he looked like he saw Deering headlights, and he was like, oh, thanks, BB. I said, you know, much success to you. So bounce back two years later or a year or so. I get a phone call saying they want you to come in and, Gail, call me. Just be out there. They want you to be a harpo, a minister, was the position. And I said, girl, please. I ain't got time for that.

You don't remember? I do. And so they'll say, do it just for Oprah. You know, I was like, y'all, you know what? I'm going to come in. And when I got there, they switched it and wanted me to do Harpo. I bumped into Shakka Khan. I was like, Shaqa Khan.

Well, why are you here? She said, what I'm, they asked me to do Sophia because they were asked. I said, that's not what they asked. So it's this tricks just going on. And, you know, tricks are for kids. Or grown-ups. Yeah. So we did the thing.

And I didn't care if I got the part or not. That evening, I got a phone call from Scott. And he said, we loved you. And before we get another thing out, I said, Scott, why don't we start with you apologizing? That's right. What happened two years ago. Okay.

Mm. You apologized. And right after you apologized, I said, I'll do the part. But let's not sit up here and act like. I love you, B, B, B, I love some truth. Yeah, two plus two, and I equal four. You know, come on. So I enjoyed it.

I said this is probably going to be my. last time, because I did Broadway in 1986 on a show called Don't Get God Started. And it's just hard work. And your life lines, the lines. The life is gone. You can't do anything. I remember walking down the street scene, oh, the queen is coming to Radio City. I'm going to go there and something saying, no, you ain't, you're going to be on stage. You got to work. Oh, my God. Yeah. So that was the last time? It was one. I don't know if I did anything after that. But it is something I'm excited to be on the other side of

and giving jobs to so many wonderful talent to people that are out there. So, but yeah, you know, it was great. Thank you. I have two more questions than we could wrap up. Okay. But I do have to know because pivots are a big part of your story. What was the deciding factor? that you go solo after having sung with your sister for so long.

Like how hard was the transition in not being BB and C.C. Wyandins? Not hard at all. You're a Band-Aid. You're a Band-Aid Ripper. Okay, you're not sentimental. He's going to see her. I never heard that, Chris. I never heard of that before.

A Band-Aid River. Rift the Band-A. Let's go. That's what you are. Let's go and take that. I'm going to use that. No, because this was planned in my mind from this first album. So from first album to the end, there's always been a solo on the duet album for Sisi and for me

because I knew we were going to do solos. And so the record company would be angry. And I was like, no, no, no. Inside, I knew. And when that day happened, we had something to build, each of us had something to, to build upon. Yeah, a little catalog of some songs that you had already too done solo.

Exactly. And so when that day came, I said, C-C, ladies first, I'm gonna go somewhere and rest my brain do other things, because it would have been crazy for us to try to do it at the same time, because we would be fighting for the same audience. So I went away for years.

Some people thought I had passed away. You tried your hands. your hand in acting because you're in the Manchurian candidate even though it's a cameo yes i did that not trying to that was again when when doors open i've learned to walk through but you know denzil directed my first um video it was his directorial in harm's way did that and at the end of the video you are connected oh yeah and doors i love introduction he's loved that's That's what that is. That's love. So he directed that.

And at the end of the thing, he said, I'm going to tell you one thing. I was like, oh, what did I do? What did I do? And he said, you got some acting chops. You should act. And I said, whoa, wait, wait. Denzel is telling me I can act. I said, you ain't got even worry about coming out of this year because I ain't going to let it in this year.

You're Denzel. And he said, I'm just telling you. And 10 years down the road, I'm in Manchering. not because of Denzel, but because of the director meeting me at a birthday celebration. And he says, you're going to be in my next movie. It's like, okay, I guess you're a director. And then here I am finding out this man's name was Jonathan Demi. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. I knew it was Jonathan. So I'm at this meeting with a friend. And I picked up the Variety Magazine. I was like, this is the name of the movie that these people try to give me here. And he said, what's the guy's name? I said, Jonathan, something. He said, Jonathan Demi, Beery?

I said, yeah, that's that man's name. And so that's how that happened. Having that experience, Jonathan calls me and says, you got to do more movies. It's like, what is wrong with y'all? So then what you ain't, what's up with that, though? So, hey, I just did my first TV series in premier June the second called Mind Your Business with Columbus Short. I didn't even know who he was until I was. Columbus Short.

Yeah. From my scandal. Scandal, yes. Incredible cast. And it bounced TV and it was the most preview. Oh, Bounce is doing something. Watched in history. their history, over two million households.

So I'm on that. My name is Henry, and that is doing well. And so the fear, let's just say that, the fear of stepping into that, you know, part of my world is starting to dissipate. But you said some earlier that it's important to me. If I'm not having fun, I'm not going to do it. Yeah.

You know, so this new song, I'm having fun doing that again. Because he was behind the scenes. So Father in Heaven right now, I went overseas and did four concerts in South Africa and it just was, it woke up the sleeping bear. Did you miss it?

I didn't miss it because I really truly don't. I'm allergic to the word tour. I get it. What is the worst thing about touring? Travel. travel and dealing with children. And that's what I call the band and everybody else. They're children.

You still have to keep the children in line. You have to, you know, so that's the hard part. Wait, and when you mean children, are you referring to musicians who overplay? Yeah, yes. As if they came to see you. Oh, they still do that to you? Oh, they can't help it.

I just figured they would be disciplined By you. No. I am the last Mohican. I'm world famous for doing nothing. I'm world famous for doing nothing. Because I'm like, I'm here, do the thing. Nope.

I'm a metronome. And that's how I paid the bills. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Cliver Taylor the fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the. way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations,

stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes,

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A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target.

He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Vodom. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman,

Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was

based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that.

There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest, the director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports

Slice Podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so much, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case.

I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Alespian and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap.

Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wait, Amir, you'll be mad if we don't ask this question before we end this interview because, listen, two weeks ago, I was hosting a Q&A at Capital Jazz Fest and Louis Vega was the man on the stage. And every new, everybody wanted to talk about BB and this relationship that you have with Louis Vega and this collaboration of job been doing for years. Can you just, I would like you to just tell me about your first meeting with Louie and went with the magic.

That was me. I'm telling you the truth. It's hilarious to me. I forget how we met. He had mixed the song, Thank You. And Luther was like a brother to me. And so I helped him get Luther to come on and do a thing on his CD as well. But Luther did a lot of the background for me and C.C.

I mean, I can name you five or six songs. Luther who? Luther Vandros. Okay, because I love you to answer that question. I mean, searching for love. So searching for love. Yeah. Anyone found searching for. Oh my God. He was the background vocal king. That's Luther, his arrangement and him and his singer. He's a whole another, I have to come back. It's another book. So Louis Vega, we did the song. The song started really generating a lot in the house. And so he calls me.

I think this is when Louis and I became friends. He called me and said, Bebe, can you please come and sing it live at the shelter? Now, I only know what the shelter was. Oh, boy. Yeah. I can't wait for this story. I said, Louis, yes.

So I said yes, because I had no idea what was going on. So my singers came with me. And when we got to New York, Louis calls and said, hey, man, I'm excited. So we'll pick you up like at four. One a.m. I stumbled when I even talk about it now years ago. So it was like 1 p.m. I said, you're going to pick us up?

Oh, in three hours? Okay. We'll be ready. He said, no, no, no, no. People pick you up at 4 a.m. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. No. You picking us up at 4 a. Well, what time we go on? I'm not saying. He said, oh, he was between 4, 45 and 5.

I said, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? I would have never sung at 4.30. What do you talk? People are up. Right. It was like, I'm thrown. When we went to that play, first of all, we trying to stay up was the hardest thing in my life.

So he picks us up. We go to the shelter. I've never seen so many people in my life. And I'm like, are these vampires? And then we sang the song. I'm telling you, I've seen audiences that is waiting to hear their song. Yes. Never saw an audience like this performer.

They knew every lick, every line, they knew every pause. And they were celebrating like, I never saw people celebrate like this before. It blew my mind. And so after that, Louis was like, be me. You got to go with me. I said, no, no, no. Be me. One and done.

I said, because I love you, I'm going to give you. I said, because I love you, I'm going to give you three more. So I remember I did one in Miami. I did one in London. And so he calls me. I said, Louie, don't even call me. But when I say I have a love for him and his talent and Anna and all of them, that's my brother. Those records and y'all have changed, like, y'all are changing house and gospel at the second.

And now his other records with the Clark sisters and the other brothers. And the Alicarel song, The Joy Join. I'm like, this is just the baby of like, what y'all? You know what? But to me, it's only right, only because historically speaking, I mean, you're from Detroit, and the world doesn't know. Like, I know the world thinks like Motown. There's great jazz that comes out of Detroit, but the world really doesn't know that the role

that Detroit has played in electronic music. And there's this whole, you know, Chicago versus Detroit thing. But to me, it makes all the sense in the world that this pairing happened. And the fact that you did it in the second best nightclub in world history, of course, you know, to the shelter will even say that their modus operandi was sort of that of what Paradise Garage represented in the early 80s. But to me, gospel-flavored house music is one of the most spiritual experiences. is that one to watch that. So spirit, yes, Amir, it, it's in your body, do something to your insides.

Well, because you, you got to make a joyful annoy. And you also have to move. And as African people, we move. And that's the thing. So I did the pigment, loyal call and say, Bebe, it's not for me. It's like, well, who is it for him? Before your nose.

Yeah, they call him to get me. And I was like, Louis, Would you stop calling me? So I did the picnic in Chicago. It was like, the house picnic. Oh, my, that's important. It's important.

It's important. Oh, my star. What was that like? It was unbelievable. I'm serious. When the music start, it's just, it goes through. There's such an appreciation for their music that they have that I don't think any other genre has. I think that's true. I learned that. I still maintain that gospel music belongs in the

clubs. I'm sorry. Everywhere. I am. I believe it belongs everywhere. And I, you know, so as a songwriter, you learn over the years, you learn if you've written something that's mediocre, you've reading something that, oh, this is about it. So this song now that's out, the word scared is not the thing, but I anticipate where it's going to go. I think it has the legs to go everywhere that the other songs that I've written that's crossed lines will do. And so I'm excited about...

It makes sense. Yeah. And so... It makes sense. So, you know, I'm in a great space, but again, it's not just for me. I grow in these spaces, but I know it's also for some

that are coming through this way as well. That's exemplary. Wait, I guess this is one important question I do have to ask you, and this kind of ties into the whole Proud family thing. Is Bibi your birth name? Thank you, Amir. Thank you. You know, it's so funny, girl. My given name is Benjamin.

My Cici's given name is Priscilla. It wasn't for Jim Baker. Again, Jim and Tammy Fay Baker. So no one knew our nickname. That's how you got your names? Our next name, other than the people in my household, mom and dad and all of them, and then people at my church, they called us Bibi and Cici.

But at school was Benjamin. And so after some of the success, we remember going back to Mumford High for our 10-year school reunion and walked in. And the people who only knew us by Benjamin, they looked over and said, oh, hey, Bibi. I was like, you don't know me as BB? I'm Benjamin.

Yeah. So if you want to stop me in my tracks, you call me Benjamin. Exactly. Stop in my track. Or even worse is when fans call you Benjamin, I mean, you're like, oh, right. Some people will say to me, hey, I'm here. And then my mind's like, first grade, second grade, third grade, fourth grade. They're like, no, man, I'm just a fan.

I'm like, Ah! Go somewhere. Well, Brother Beebe, I want to thank you for this conversation. Oh, I've enjoyed it. This is amazing.

Thank you for spending it with Laiaa and myself. Yes, thank you. Yes, yes. Thank you so much. And I hope our listeners out there enjoyed this particular episode. I know I did. And on behalf of Sugar Steve and Pontigolo,

and unpaid Bill and Laiaeer myself. It's Questlove Supreme. And thank you once again, and we'll see you on the next program. Thank you for listening to Questlove Supreme. This podcast is hosted by Amir Questlove Thompson, Big Boss Man, Laia, St. Clair, St. Clair, So Blackety Black. Myself, Fonte Colvin, Sugar Steve Mandel, and Unpaid Bill Sherman. The executive producers are Amir Questlove Thompson, Sean G, and The Unbothered Brian Calhoun. Produced by Brittany Benjamin, My Dollar.

Cousin Jake Payne, my motherfucking man, and Laia St. Clair, my workwife. Edited by Alex Conroy, produced for IHeart by Noel Brown. Much Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. For more podcasts from IHeart Radio, visit the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me.

Clifford Taylor the Fourth. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft.

And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins. But the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax. You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Ellen's, correct? I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been. through the same thing.

Greg Gillespie and Michael Ranchini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands.

I vowed. I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And I'm Ikewold.

My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot. But if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be.

Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human