The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Billy Porter Part 2

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

Billy Porter's raw and uncut appearance on Questlove Supreme continues with Part 2. The musician, actor, and performer who just released Black Mona Lisa, Vol. 2: The Cookout Sessions, opens up about his strong political views and therapeutic journey. Billy explains why he became one of the first celebrities to be transparent and vulnerable with his AIDS diagnosis and treatment. The dynamic guest also speaks about his return to the Kinky Boots stage.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now before we get to business, please make sure you caught part one, because in that episode, Billy speaks about his early days in Pittsburgh, working to prove himself as a singer and an actor, and some of the deep hardships he's overcome. And this conversation is what QLS is all about. It's passionate, knowledgeable, and relatable, and we really hope that you enjoy it. Oh, and while you're at it, please give QLS a rating or review or follow and send to a friend. Because without you, there is a lot. No, us. No, seriously, if y'all don't listen, there will be no us. Okay, now, seriously, back to Billy Porter. Make sure you empty your bladders and get your tissues.

It's about to get real. My question to you and hyper-aware to not ask you basic questions that you get 24-7. Yeah. But I am curious because I understand that one of my biggest dismayes of, the developments in the last four to five years, especially in hip hop, is just the rampant amount of ignorance, which really makes me the fool because if I think about it, it was there all along,

but I think I've allowed myself to open my eyes to really see just how immersed in ignorance and misinformation that we are. And my question is, do you feel as a rampant, homophobic mistreatment from your own people, from people that are not your people? Do you see progress happening or am I just naive with rose-colored glasses that? I mean, if I'm being honest, the expansion has been so beautiful to watch. Even inside of the pushback. You know, my phrase is the change has already happened, which is why the pushback is so severe.

You know, I think that what we as humans fall in the trap of is not focusing on learning history. Because history shows us exactly what's happening right now with this Trump stuff. Right. History shows us that this is what it will be. And every time we're unprepared. So until we learn our history and we're prepared for these moments and we're not caught with our pants down, it's going to be the same. You know, I don't know if you, you read Tana Heisi Coates's book, we were eight years in power. Not that one.

Not that one. He predicted this. And nobody wanted to listen. And nobody wanted to hear about it. and nobody wanted to talk about. Not even myself. This came out, that book came out right at the top

of the second Obama. And he said, beware. In that book, the general part of it was, beware, because there are repercussions for this that we're not preparing ourselves for, you know,

the press still doesn't even know how to cover that bitch. Yes, we will worry. They still don't. even know how to cover him. Eight years later, and these industries are still selling

humanity down the river for ratings. For ratings. You don't know that bitch is a liar. People were fired at the beginning of his presidency. Journalists on television

were fired for calling him a liar. every time he opens up his mouth he's a liar every single time and so for me to stay positive and stay you know it's like well what do we do what do we do to make sure that we're engaged what do we do to stay engaged

I don't even know how sometimes how to have the conversation with people who don't vote I don't know how to have this conversation. You know, it's like it's disingenuous and it's the way that this, even now that it's covered, it's like the press covers this like it's a game show. Yeah. Like it's a game.

You know, it's like you all know that this is not news. Why are you presenting this material like it's not? Like it's new. None of it is new. Slavery was abolished and Jim Crow happened. Yeah. And if certain things happened in November, we will never get that history again.

It's fine. We're going to get there. We're going to get there. But my question is, have we learned anything? Because we got a black president and we sat on our asses for eight years and they bombards.

And expected him to fix everything. What are we going to do this time with this power? I think right now, black people are in a place where they're so exhausted. There's a thing in the gym called Jacob's Ladder, which I hate the most. You know, five minutes on Jacob's Ladder, you're like, out of it.

I can't take it in one. And I feel like that's where we are right now, even if it's to the detriment of our freedom. And what do you think our ancestors felt? Exactly. Who were living on the field. And what if I don't give a fuck, right? Exactly.

I don't give a fuck. Too bad. Keep going. And we're going to stay here if you're so fucking exhausted. Everybody's exhausted. I was exhausted. I was marching against a part tie to six years old. Making Markleut's King Day a holiday and shit.

It continues. Till the day we die. Look at John fucking Lewis. From his deathbed he was working. Selfish, that is. But I will say, Billy, you work a little harder than most, and I'm wondering, friend, when the rest does come. Because to Amir's point, I do say, you be in the fight a lot. Here's the thing.

I have a song called I Can't Sing This Song Again. And it's in response to a change is going to come. And here's what I think the issue is. Is it an answer to that? Yes. Can't sing this song. song again. I'm debuting it at Nancy Pelosi's

luncheon. And it starts with a little bit of a recording of a change is going to come. And then it's like, and then it goes into this. A change is going to come, and the rhetoric that we've learned for all of these years

has led us to believe that we, wait your turn, and we arrive somewhere. We arrive somewhere and it's over. That is the sentiment of that song to me. That is the sentiment of the civil rights movement. I don't think that it was on purpose,

but I know for myself, and I talk about Obama, it's like, oh, okay, civil rights, okay, gay rights, okay, we win, you know, marriage equality. Okay, we win. You know, abortion rights. Okay, we win. It's like you don't arrive and the, I say fight. I wish there was another word for it. The expansion, the involvement, the engagement, that's what I'm looking for.

The engagement of the people can never wane. So if we know that going in, if we know that it's a fight, until we die, then we approach it differently. Then we go, okay, I need to take a break right now. Okay. Self care for myself and I'll dip and I'll come back. And so that we can, you know, like with like a staggered breathing when you sang in the choir and you have to hold a note for really long time and some people take a break and some people, you know,

it's like that, you know, and I think our messaging, the messaging for years, at least for me. me is what I'm finding as I dissect it and try to figure out how, like, oh, we think we arrived. It never arrived. I'm guilty of that you remembered like November of 2008. Like we were all singing our version of can you see a brand new day or whatever. And that's okay. For a week, I actually felt like I arrived in this utopian what we are basically.

saying is like we would like to experience not what whiteness feels like but just the feeling of that level of freedom. Freedom. Freedom. Safety. Safety. And then by year two, once the unarmed shooting period started, and then I was like, oh, fuck, this is going back to the 70s and now we're

in the 40s, the 1840s. Because our founding fathers who everybody likes to hold up on a pedestal so much. Shee, she, she, she's. For fucking racist slave owners who built this country

on that. Yes. Period. Mm. The caveats. You know, the thing that I've learned recently and just looking at how it all goes. It's like, so wait, you mean

to tell me that there's no oversight for Skodem? That's on purpose. That's on purpose. If you can find the Easter eggs in these documents, white men, you will be able to be in power forever, minority or not. What do you mean there are no term limits? What do you mean? There are no term limits.

That means that the same old white people can stay in office. It's like, what do you mean? The peaceful transition of power is not a fucking law. What are you talking about? Yeah, that was crazy. It's just the unfolding and the unpealing of the, it's like, so what is it? For real. And I think that's where we are.

And what I'm happy about and what I'm pleased about, you know, because of course, when they go low, we go high. Of course. Wow. And because I'm always. We have to figure out what going high looks like in this new world order. That's what we have to do. And we have finally found it. And her name is fucking Kamala.

That's her name. We have found out how to be in the game that we're in. Not the game that we wish it would be, not the game that it should be, but the game that we're in, we have to be in this. And she is the person for the moment. For this moment She has risen to the occasion She knows how to clock back

And not just because she looks like Because of what she's done She knows how to clap back Yes she does Yes This has run rampant All over the world For eight fucking years

Because everybody's so Oh And bipartisan And that's not how they're playing That's not what they're playing That's not the game We haven't been in the game For eight years

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So, Billy, how does it feel now that your voice matters to this whole other world? And that way, you said you're going to be at the DNC. You've been at the White House multiple times. You know, what does it feel like to be this activist of sorts? Activists, no sorts. My bad. I don't know anything else. Once again, I'm a black faggot in America.

I have to fight. I don't have a choice. And I have to fight against my own people half the time. Half? That's being generous. I have to fight against my own people all the time. I don't know if you saw all that bullshit on June 10th. What happened?

So I was at the White House on Juneteenth in the morning. Right. You know, on the dais. Mm-hmm. Talking about solutions. Mm-hmm. At the White House. Right?

I invite it, right? Go to the Juneteenth concert. I show up, I'm on the front row. It's me, the second gentleman, the vice president, the president. Front row. The next day, they start dragging Joe. He's losing his mind because there was a picture caught of him like that. Oh, yeah.

I saw that. He was listening to Paddy's, Lebel. He was watching Patty LaBelle sing a song, and she hit a note and held it like she was 20 years old. And the whole audience was like, that's the fucking picture you saw. That's how they've been dragging him. There's nothing wrong with that. Wait, how come no one said that? I remember that. Yes, he's old. And yes, he lost. I mean, he lost the plot. But he's not, you know, just like when he was trailing off, remember when he was trailing off and they were like, he's

talking to someone. And he's talking to 20 maple over there. Yeah. Right. No. The press has done this to the world for their ratings. So the next photo that I see coming up on my feed is me greeting

the president by kissing his hand. Across the second gentleman, across the... Now, they run that photo with me, next to a drawing of a slave kissing Abraham Lincoln's hands

Oh shit Boom That's a lot Oh Title Oh I guess we're in a Jordan Peele movie now Who it? Now when you say they

You were saying the black press You're saying black press? Yes Somebody black did it Okay But you know We're not a model Little building

No I know No no no That's what I'm saying Some black people Not everybody But I have to fight That side a lot And what I said, and I looked at it, and you know, my motto is I do not now, nor will I ever adjudicate my life for humanity and sound bites on social media.

I will never do it. There is no response to shit like that for me. However, as I was dissecting it, I'm like, so what are you saying? What are y'all trying to say? Because at the time that this photo was, that this drawing was drawn, the president at that time, freed the slaves. We didn't have the 300 years later. In that moment,

he was thanking the man who freed him. Oh, in that picture with a... In that drawing. Just as I was thanking the man who we dragged out in retirement to save democracy, I will kiss that white man's hand until I go to the goddamn grave.

What are you saying? What are y'all saying? Who cares? I actually really just don't care. I'm in the room talking about solutions at the White House and y'all over here clowning on the internet. That's the fucking problem. Man, that's just static, though. It is. But what's really happening, which no one will talk about but me, is I was also in a multicolored calf tape.

A dress. Oh. On the front row. Okay. Okay. I'm a black, embarrassing faggot. That's who I am. So it's actually not about that at all.

No, no, you're right. It's about I was never supposed to be elevated to the highest levels like that. Right. I'm supposed to stay silent in a closet somewhere. Yeah. But it's certain things that we really know in our community, right? And others don't. It's been my whole life.

Yeah. It's been my whole life. people with my family at the time, not anymore, but like, you know, my community, they would rather I be a serial killer than a factory. Yeah. That's more acceptable. How were you able to reach your family in terms of turning my room to? I left. Oh.

I left and they came back. They missed you. I left and they came back because you made it or did they come back because like? of them, some of them it was before that. A lot of them were before that. My family was before that. You know, the church community that I grew up in,

it was post-fame. I'm like, you're so transparent. You know, but it's also interesting to talk about a certain group of black people. So during the George Floyd and all of that stuff,

you know, I got on on line because here we were marching and then I turn on my social media and a bunch of black people are beating up a trans girl in the 7-11. Right. I remember this. You want to know why we don't have rights? This is why we don't have our rights.

Until we do right by everybody, we will have nothing. Nobody's free until we're all free. Fuck y'all. You want to know why? This is why. Do you think that that's something that should be handled within our community? Or do you think they're doing. I'm so fucking looping.

Okay. I do too. And I'm the one who's saying it. And they dragged me to hell for it. I don't give a fuck. It's the truth. Mind your own damn business if you don't like it. You never had no fear of telling your truth?

Have you always been this out loud the way you feel? It's my mother. Even, I'm talking about TV. Because, you know, when you go to Hollywood and I mean, I tease a mirror about it, but. My mother was like, like that. There are consequences. Yes. There are consequences. I suffer consequences. You know, it's like they've let the queens

in to Hollywood. They've let us in a little bit. But the ones who are getting marble movies and shit don't talk. You're in Ryan Murphy world, so even that in itself is beautiful, but he's an out loud assert in his own way. So he's also a white man. I love him. Billy, and you know that straight people do not understand the happenings and the goings-ons and the queer world with race in that way. Like, you even saying that out loud, people are like, they're gay, they're good.

He gay, you gay, it's good, you gay, it's good, you know. It's different. It's different. It's different. And I, and, you know, stand for something or you'll fall for anything. I will go to my grave standing for the thing. that I believe in. Even if that means,

whatever that means for my career, whatever it means, because it's more important for me to do that. I'm a human being first. And I engage in the world as a human being. And you will respect me as a human being or get the fuck out of my way.

Yo, talk, can you talk about real quick? When you were asked to be in the Little Richard Project, I am everything in the first what you felt and what you saw when you saw what you felt when you saw the finished product because as you're speaking I'm thinking of him and I'm just it's not a lot of people who can live out loud

and chose to live out loud and then came back and it's a choice and like I said there are consequences that come along with it y'all there are you know there are it's okay okay

I'm not changing I'll never change. Can we still get our Jay's Waltwin? Yeah, of course. Okay, thank you. Okay. Of course, you know, but we got to get it greenlit. Okay.

You know, there's a whole world right now. It's like all of the fallout from the strike. Yeah. You know, we're 44%, 46% back. 46? Maybe 46% back. You know, and I breathe rarefied air. Don't think I don't know that.

you know, film and television has dried up a bit for me in this moment, a bit, not completely, but a bit. I get to go and be in a Broadway show. Who gets to do that? You want to clown me. The bill's point. Yeah. And call me corny. But I get to still work in the business that I love because of this multi-hyphenated human being that I am. So like, I don't know. I feel for the first time in a long time that I can take a breath. Please, you deserve it. And are you scared to take a breath?

Because I know that you feel you have to be on guard 24-7. Yeah. What is taking a breath? I never believed in vacations until. Vacation. Last year, 50. You two, you've heard 50. I took a vacation in 2015.

I did. No, I did. It wasn't a wedding. You weren't, okay. All right, okay. I never took a vacation either. Vacation. Naps.

Yes. Oh, it's still. Me too. Naps. I never took naps. If I get to a place where it's too much, I will lay right in my bed for two hours. Yeah.

I'm like, I got to check out. You know, that's self-care for me. I do my morning pages pretty much every morning. Affirmations or you write down your goal? Yeah, it comes from a book called The Artist's Way. I know the Artists Way. The Artist's Way. And I did it 30 years ago and I've been doing it every 10 years to just sort of reset to myself.

And I do those artist pages and that's my daily meditation because they're supposed to be blur. essentially. You're supposed to write a long hand, but I've been doing it so long that I type them now. But it's like, that's a meditation for me in the morning, and I always feel better when I do that. Since mom passed, I am trying my hand at Buddhism. Okay. I haven't been able to find a consistency in it yet, but my heart is there. And so I'm working towards it. I'm also meditating.

You know, when I feel overwhelmed, I'll just sit down and breathe and meditate. And it's useful. It's helpful. That's what I'm Billy Porter, all right? Yeah. You know, because I can't. Sanity is important. I can't be of use if I'm insane.

Yeah. And I was put on this planet to be of use. I want to continue to be of use. And like you said, the activist. part. I am, you know, I came out in 1985. We went straight to the front lines to fight for our lives during the AIDS crisis. I don't know anything else. I don't know anything else. Can you pause there? Can I just tell you? I appreciate your truth in that. And I just want to tell you also, I was very excited to talk to you for all the reasons, because like I said, all the things, I've watched you,

I've listened and everything. But most importantly, I was excited to talk to you because you live in your truth about status. And somebody very important to me has. been living with this for 25, 30 years successfully, beautifully, living life out loud. And I can't wait for her to tell the world. But you, my friend, I was just in marvel of you living your truth and saying that out loud. And I can't wait. Like, I can't wait for her to do the same thing. But I just, I want to thank you for that.

You're welcome. You're welcome. The thing about this business and the thing that I'm also grateful for that it took so long, right? Why does it take it so long? It took so long because I had to be ready. It took so long because I had to live a life where I could shoulder all of this stuff that I need to shoulder. I know what I represent. I know why I'm here.

I can't do what I do unless I know it. You know, I was watching Oprah at one point a long time ago. I don't know if y'all remember, but like one year after about 10. or 12 years or something, maybe 15, she came on and she said, I'm not doing any of that shop talk anymore. Yes, she did. And something dropped, and she said, live your best life. And she turned into that person.

You have to know what the purpose is so that you can sit in the fullness of it. I know what my power is. I know what my purpose is. And I'm just grateful now that people are finally understanding it and seeing it. I had to come out as HIV positive to the world because I had to take the power away from the gotcha, gotcha, press. Nobody has anything on me because I said it first. Now what? Right?

This is the conversation I've been waiting for. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I said it first. Yes. So there's no, there's full transparency with me and my life. purpose. Because people need to see all of it. The successes, the disappointments, the failures, the flaws, all of it.

Jesus was not perfect. You know, we make deities out of people. We forget these people were human. Martin Luther King Jr. was human. Hell yeah, he was. He cheated on his wife. Like a lot of men do. He was not a deity. He was a deity. He was a human being, that's what makes it better. Because we're all human. And so when you can relate to somebody's humanity, then you can see, oh, it's not over because I made a mistake.

It's not over because this didn't work out. I could keep going. That person kept going. Yeah. You know, that's why I throw my hands up at the house. Yeah. I put my hands up with my friend. I called my sister screaming and crying.

You know, I don't throw my hands up for real. Right. You know, like, that's the self-care part, too. The self-care part is me being able to call my sister and throw a fucking temperate. Hell yeah. Are you, in the sense of the community, do you have a lot of kids? I feel like everybody would want you to be. Oh, that was yours?

Well, I was just going to ask, like, are you finding this battle isolated, or do you have a community of people that you have in your corner? Or is it? There is a community that I'm a part of, and I'm so great. before I talk about Broadway cares, equity fights, AIDS. You know, they were birthed out of the AIDS crisis. And when I moved to New York City in 1990, they were just beginning. And they taught an entire generation of us,

a theater artist in particular, how to activate. You know, and so I've been a part of that community since I got here. And it's a large, far-reaching, activist communities. So that's where I started. And I've picked up a lot of different people along the way. I have to be cognizant to not isolate.

Okay. Do you tend to shut down and shut in and... If I'm going through something, if I'm having a, you know, a problem or an issue or, you know, I will isolate. You know, like even with my mom passing in Saturday, you know, it's like, my friends are finally like, girl, come outside. Why haven't you come outside? Why haven't you called?

You know, they call and chuckling me. They're like, we know you're isolating. Come out. Come out, come out. You know, because I get in a place where I feel like I don't want to be a burden. and so much of my trauma and what I deal with in my life has existed for so long. And I continue to work through it and I continue to become a better person. But I feel like sometimes the people who've been in my life for 30 years plus, I'm like, you're like, y'all are tired of it.

Yeah, I feel like. Y'all are tired of it. You know, I would never be tired of it. So I don't understand why I put that on other people. But, like, they have to be tired of this by now. You know, so I have to work on that. You know, I have to work on, like, making sure that I reach out when I don't feel good and ask for help when I don't feel great.

I have to do that on my own. You have to let others pour into you because you are always pouring into others. During COVID, my trauma therapist, you know, because I suffered. sexual abuse at the hands of my stepfather, from the time I was seven to the time I was 12, it's in the book, I talk about, you know, like there's a lot of trauma, a lot, a lot of trauma. And, you know, I say the world stopped

so that I could begin a real journey towards healing my trauma. And the first thing that my trauma therapist, and I have to say, you know, the mental health profession, and what, and the strides, And what is available for us to deal with our mental health blows my mind. It blows my mind.

And she said your biggest problem is that you have no self compassion. Everybody else. That's a lot of us. Yes, that's a tree. That is, Amir. Yes. Three months of work. I did four hours a week for about two years.

It went down to two hours at about a year and three years. months. But the first thing he said was you have no self-compassion and we have to work on, I mean, exercises. I had to listen to people talk about self-compassion in my ear and I have to go back to it. Even now, today, I have to remind myself, oh, that's my non-self-compassion person talking. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clever Taylor the fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes

of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault in Our Stars, and now I guess also is the co-house.

host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game, and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.

For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really start making money. It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future.

This month hear from top streamer Zoe Spencer and venture capitalist Lakeisha Landrum Pierre as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up. If I'm outside with my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what? Today now, obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything. But at first, it was just like, you got to go get a real job. There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fail is they don't have money to pay for food.

They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of IHeart Media. And I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Matt. and Magic stories from the frontiers of marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing.

I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This seasonal math and magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cesario, financier and public health advocate Mike Milken. Take-2 interactive CEO Strauss-Zalnik. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and our own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top.

Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're talking about, and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick Dick and Poll show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Kugler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director.

Who do you think he is? I don't know. You mean the president? You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president? Does law crusette. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time.

I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one. I like that saying. It is an actual Polish saying. It is an actual Polish saying.

It is an actual poem. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong.

Listen to the Nick Dick and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So this is what I want to know. because this is the question I asked myself. You know, in 2021, when Biden came in the office and with the quick fast that, you know, you saw how vigilant and fast the government was to respond to a global health crisis in a second. And when the numbers went down, I was thinking to myself, I'm like, wow, like, why didn't this happen in the 80s when HIV?

was killed. Of course, I know what the answer is. I want to ask you... And it didn't happen with the last administration. Reagan and Trump are the same person. I get it. Reagan had a better suit and knew not to say the quiet part

out loud. Sorry. Sorry Nicole Wallace. Right. And when I see you, I'm going to talk to you about that. Sorry. And she will take it. You're worshipping of Reagan. Sorry, David Jolly. Sorry. Yes, they got to close.

He wasn't good for nobody but y'all. He wasn't good for nobody but y'all. MSNBC. My people. Where are we now in terms of our relationship with HIV, with the fight against the virus spreading? Like in terms of... HIV is manageable.

Mm-hmm. The medication I take makes my T-sales about 100 to 200 points higher than any of you. You're not detectable. Undetectable, but like my T-cell count is so high. I'm like the bionic man. Oh, that's the shit. They ain't got a commercial for it, then, Billy.

That's something they ain't got a commercial for. I've been trying to get a commercial for these. Those HIV meds usually have crazy side effects. Like, so now you've got to be on high cholesterol medicine or diabetes or... Yes, and, you know, I literally just went on cholesterol, medication, a low dose because it's now recommended. for people with HIV, my cholesterol is fine. But, you know, when you do, when you have these preventative measures,

you live longer. That's why we're always fighting for, it's not about once you're sick. It's about being able to understand before you get sick. And how accessible is it as far as accessible to us? What's that? Who's us? It's accessible to Americans. It's accessible to, to people who have medical insurance.

It's accessible to people who live in cities who have programs like ADAT. Because when I was diagnosed, I didn't have a job. I didn't have medical insurance. I didn't have anything. New York City had ADAP. They paid for my medications. The Actors Fund, Broadway cares. They stepped in.

They made sure I was taking care. So, you know, I'm one of the lucky ones. I'm one of the blessed ones. You know, I know there are communities that do not have this access. Yeah. Oh, oh, well, that too. There are communities that don't have this access. I exist in communities that do.

And I always try to make sure that I'm contributing and speaking. I'm diabetic because of my family. Yeah. You know. And the gift of that is I'm at the doctor. every three months. I'm a black 55 year old man

who goes to the doctor every three months. Oh my God. That is a blessing. That is a gift. Because if I didn't have these issues, I would probably be

less healthy than I am right now. Yeah. Because I would never go to the doctor if I didn't have to. Damn. Black men, what is that with y'all? I don't get it. But that's okay.

It's not just black men. It's a certain thing. Yo. I'll be. It's men, women. It's, there's people that still believe in doctors. I got this two weeks ago to monitor my sugar. I got this two weeks ago to monitor my sugar.

It took me two weeks. I just put it on today. It took me two weeks to just get. Yeah, lie. Until I came to Tonight Show. I already know. Awesome. Look, for real.

Zara was shocked. She's like, when's the last time he'd been to the dentist? And I was like, dog, 1979, like when I was eight? Well, dental is the hardest insurance, too. So shout out to the elders. There ain't no insurance. You can pay for it. You just go pay for it.

I didn't even know. My assistant was like, you know you can pay for some of this with your insurance. I said, child, put it through. Because the last time I had insurance, they just paid for Kleenex. And that was it. Right, right, right. Oh, no, I'm going through it right now. I'll have a whole two bus.

Billy, do you wish for us to talk about HIV and AIDS? Like, we kind of do diabetes and how, you know, perimenopause? kind of doing a thing. I feel like people still feel an uncomfortability, especially because of- There's still a stigma. Yeah, yeah. Which is why I came out on the Hollywood reporter to talk about it.

Okay. And there's probably not a day goes by that somebody stops me and says, thank you. Thank you for saying it. Thank you for standing for us. Thank you for that. And thank you. And also thank you, because like I said, I'm a stand. Thank you for doing pose and reliving that shit all over again.

I was like, Billy is the oldest person probably on this cast, and he's reliving the 80s all over again. That's got to be traumatizing as fuck. Thank you for understanding that. And I didn't get it until COVID. And my now ex-husband called me a, what is that, not a character actor, a method. Method, thank you. Method actor. Called me a method actor.

And I was like, I ain't a method actor. He's like, you're a little bit of a method actor. And I didn't really receive it until the COVID break. We were in the middle of filming episode one of season three. And then we were shut down and we went home for nine months. And during the trauma therapy, I realized, oh, shit. Yes. Like, what are you doing? What are you knowing? I was so excited that somebody was taking me seriously as an actor.

Yeah, I get it. That I didn't realize that literally every day I went into work, I was really traumatizing. Yes! Every day. How did you process it, Ben? I wasn't processing in the moment. That's the issue. I was just happy to be working, but I was carrying it with me. And I was bringing it home.

and not really knowing that I was bringing it home. Right? And not really understanding why there was a low-grade depression that I couldn't shake and all of that stuff. And so then when I went back, I said you get three takes. Set these cameras up. Capture this performance. Come on, man.

I'm going. I'm going. I'm going to give you everything, but I only have three of them in me. I can't keep going and going and going. You know, like, in episode, season two, I was sick in the bed, in a hospital bed for like two episodes. And I forgot that I've never left the bed all day. I would make them bring lunch to me. Bring me the food.

Bring me the food. I need to stay in it. And I'm like, that's a method actor. No, that is Amir. He was like, it was like an altar. Okay. So I know an actor who almost ruined his relationship because he did a method role and didn't go through the ritual process of getting rid of it. There's a very specific process this actor goes through to get rid of a character, but because another project was like,

right around the corner. This actor didn't take the necessary eight weeks to do the thing that has to be done to get rid of the character and almost ruined his marriage and his family and everything. When you were finally finished with Pose, was there a ritual that you had to do

in order to get rid of the character or like, how did you let it go? How did you... I don't know that it's a ritual. It's not a ritual for me. You just let it go. I just let it go. I didn't do anything ritualistic to let it go.

It was just over. So if you're not there doing it every day, it's over. And for me, for me. And so it slowly dissipates and it's slowly gone. You know, I will say I didn't watch it. I mean, I watched the first run when it happened. But I didn't return to it until like six months ago. And I had to go watch it for,

the I am enough space that I needed to get into. So what was the process like reliving, watching it through the new filtered of... Well, I had enough distance from it to understand my own power. I had enough distance from it to watch it and be able, you know, and be able to go, oh, no, I deserve that. Because I went through a space where I had like, oh, I was a diversity winner.

I won the Emmy as a diversity winner because that's when Hollywood was in woke mode. Right. They could see you for a second. So I went through a time because... So you didn't feel it was legit. You felt it was the...

Well, pray tell didn't exist until I walked in the room, right? So season one, they had already written the first. first four episodes. If you go back to season one, they had to fold me into it slowly. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so the first three episodes, I'm more of just the MC. I have a couple of scenes outside of it, but I'm just the MC. It's episode four when I get the HIV diagnosis, and it's guns a blazing, right? And so, but what was weird for me was that season two and season

three, I was the lead. Yeah. With Blanca, and I lost the Emmy to two white boys. Again, you know. And it was like,

but that's when I deserved it. Yeah, because you got him in season one. I didn't feel like I had deserved it for season one. Because I wasn't as much as I was in season two and season three.

So my brain started to go there. And so then my manager, and that's the self-compassion thing. And so my manager was like, Bill, no. You won the Emmy for season one and two at the same time. Because what happened was you came on in the summer for season one. You were nominated the following summer while season two was airing. Got it.

So they saw season one, but they were voting on your performance of season one and two. and I'm like oh okay but I had to go back to watch it to go oh no I was fierce in season

one I was slaying in season one as well I laid that shit right on down so yeah I deserved it but like I had to go back like I had to talk to myself

in the mirror and be like you are enough you deserved it And then, you know, the great part about the thing I love about film and TV that doesn't exist in theater is you want to watch it. The proof is right there. Oh. You know.

And the impact, the impact of film and TV versus the theater because that birthed a whole other show on HBO, right? Were you allowed to have input for your character development in terms of telling the, so you talked to the writers and told me your life story and... I didn't have to talk to the writers. They already knew it. yeah, I spoke to the writers. But I did get a call. I had done something. I can't remember what I did.

But I had talked about my abuse, my sexual abuse. And Ryan knew about my family stuff and my church stuff. And he called me one day. And he's like, would you be okay with us using, you know, your real life? And your mom's story. Yeah. It's like, are you okay? use, would you be okay with us using that? I'm like, isn't that the point? Yeah. Let's go.

But cut the check. Yes, of course. So season three, when I go home, tell my family that I have HIV, that's all, you know, there's a lot of it that's like real. You know, the step, the father that molested me that comes back like Angels in America in season two. And like that was from my life. It's such a gift. it really is a gift, you know, who gets to do that? Like, you are kind of, it took me 30 years and look at what it was, look at what it is, when it comes around. Like, it's amazing.

It makes that whole five, seven year thing makes so much sense. You know, and my voice is different now. You know, I want you to go and listen to me pre-acet reflux and listen to me now. And what I find interesting is that people respond to my voice differently now. Like, they actually like my imperfections. I was perfect. Oh, Rasp. This is awesome. My voice was perfect.

Not a bad note. Center of the pitch every moment. Never a crack. Never nothing. And now, you know, it's like, I feel. finally got to the place where I'm like, cool with it. Joan later, my voice teacher, she got me back to being healthy, you know. Those adjectives don't even describe like Patty and Aretha and all in them, right? Like, they were, even in their moments of mistake, it was still genius,

but they had moments where by educators criteria, it wasn't. Yeah. So I'm leaning into this voice because I can smoke weed and drink and nobody cares. this is what I got to say and I sound like a broken record to our listening audience with QLS but it's weird like I feel almost guilty having this platform because like I don't even consider

a media source more than I consider it as a legit way for me to learn about people and learn about myself a win is a win A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that

don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End,

a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football,

all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer. Football. Is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty.

Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Auercon and John Green on the iHeart, Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really start making money. It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast, Eating While Broke, is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future. This month, hear from top streamer, Zoe Spencer, and venture capitalist Lakeisha Landrum-Pierre,

as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up. If I'm outside with my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for a picture, It's like, what? Today now, obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything. But at first, it was just like, you got to go get a real job. There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail.

And what I mean by fail is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids. They do not have homes. Communities don't work unless there's money flowing through them. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, Chairman and CEO of IHard Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast,

Math and Magic, Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This season on Math and Magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cesario, financier and public health advocate Mike Milken, take to interactive CEO Strauss Zalding. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk

and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and her own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top. Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers and marketing on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're talking about and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick Dick and Poll show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Coogler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know. Do you meet the, like, the president? You think Canada has a president?

You think China has a president? Those law a rousette. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. It was a good one.

I like that saying. It is an actual Polish saying. It is an actual poem. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually thought it was.

I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick Dick and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The commonality that we've made today with you sharing how you feel about not achieving the space that you want to be in in your music takes my breath away. And thank you for sharing that because that's not something that I would, you know, I'm one of those. people that looks and goes, the masters of everything. You know, like, you never know. Look, I'm shocking people all this week. Steve has actually achieved the impossible.

So as this recording, and Steve suggested it so casually, I didn't realize the trap, not the trap that I fell into. So I do have a fear in life. and that fear is playing jazz. You know? It's not that I don't have the ability to do it. And I think in general, black people in general have a fear of being vulnerable,

either emotionally vulnerable, professionally vulnerable. And jazz is such, well, I think music in general is a vulnerability. But I do notice that I tend to only be in situations that I'm allowed to control. Right. And in this very particular situation, I can control my 10 bandmates. I can, you know,

like I know my music, like the back of my hand, but when, so, you know, when I did Steve's project for his label, Sugar Steve! Yes, Sugar Steve, yes. When I did my project for his label,

you know, that was one thing, getting through the actual recording of the album, but when he's like, all right, we're going to do six shows at the blue note. I agreed to it, but it was so far in the future that, you know, I wasn't, I'm shocked that I didn't find a way to sabotage myself. Weas a lot of it. You know.

And so I did those six shows last night, and that was one of my biggest fears in life, like playing that level of musicianship. I don't know, because, again, I tend to beat myself up way more than I should. Yeah. And for some reason, I got through it. So, yeah, Steve, this is a friendship moment with us, and we've known each other for 25 years. I love that. Thank you for taking me out of my fear. But, you know, what I'm saying to you is, you know, thank you. I know that when we tend to share our stories, whatever our backgrounds are, we might think that it's for naught, or, you know, is it the tree that falls in the forest that no one receives or whatever? Yeah. But I believe this is definitely one of the most important episodes of Quest Love Supreme that we've taped.

And I want to thank you for that. I thank you for having me. It really, really means the world to me. You know, the fact that you, you know, because I hold you in such high regard. And, you know, it's cool. I feel cool. You make me feel cool. I appreciate that.

And I don't always feel cool. See, guys, and I'm not awkwardly Matrix dodging compliments. Just let it happen. Take the flowers for Billy Porter. No, you don't have to say that no more. I'm truly done. I'm world famous for ducking compliments

and all those things. No more than. I felt non-deservant of it, but I, no, for a, I appreciate it. And I am manifesting for you and for me, I think the overall lesson that we can collectively learn

is that inherently we feel as though we are enough as human beings. Because I will admit to you, I'm very allowed the overachievement in my life, of course, you know, my dad was a world famous backstage dad and

you know, so I'm certain that the people pleasing thing in me and the overachieving thing in me It has a lot to do with, you know, trying to make my dad happy. Mm-hmm. But I will say that for our sakes, I hope it happens. If it does not happen, and I don't believe in manna fucking myself. If it doesn't have it, I'm fine with that personally myself.

For you, I hope that we find satisfaction. I'm like, just everybody finds satisfaction and safety on this call and listening to this interview. And freedom, not just Billy and Questlove. We must all achieve these levels of self-compassion and love for ourselves, right? Yeah. There you go. Thank you. Well, I'm going to let you enjoy your dinner, Philly.

All right. Thank you very much. I want to be happy. Thanks for having me. Unpaid Bill. New paid bill. And Laiia. This is Questlove.

Thank you, Bill, it's for everything. And we'll see you guys on the next go round. Thank you. All right. See you down. Bye. Thank you for listening to Questlove, Supreme. This podcast is hosted by Amir Questlove Thompson, Laia St. Clair, Shugherst,

Steve Vandelle, and myself, unpaid Phil Sherman. The executive producers are Mirr just walked into the goddamn room, Thompson, Sean G, and Brian Calhoun. Produced by Brittany Benjamin, Jake Payne, and Laia Sinclair, edited by Alex Conroy. I know Alex Connolly. Produced for IHeart by Noel Brown. Much Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. For more podcasts from IHeart Radio, visit the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Cliverts Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok's podcast network on TikTok. I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend. This is much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far. But I'm John Green, co-host of the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football,

all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of IHeart Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. Coming up this seasonal Math and Magic, CEO, of Liquid Death, Mike Cesario.

People think that creative ideas are like these light bulb moments that happen when you're in the shower. It's really like a stone sculpture. You're constantly just chipping away and refining. Take to Interactive CEO, Strauss Selney, and our own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Listen to Math and Magic on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future. This month, hear from top streamer, Zoe Spencer, and venture capitalist Lakeisha Landrum Pierre, as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up.

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