The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Dallas Austin Part 2

Episode Date: February 15, 2023

In part two of Dallas Austin's Atlanta sitdown with Questlove Supreme, the hit-making producer/songwriter revisits his time with Illegal, Highland Place Mobsters, and Michael Jackson. Dallas Austin is a storyteller extraordinaire, and this QLS episode has many memorable tales.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to thanks dad on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Quest Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Hey everybody, it's Laia. So we're back with part two of our Quest Love Supreme in Atlanta with Dallas Austin. Now, if you miss part one, that's when Dallas spoke about growing up around some amazing musicians. You talked about as early as credits and making those big ass hits with Boys to Men and TLC. Make sure you check that out. In the meantime, get ready for this amazing part two. Enjoy. Yo, all right, look, illegal. Oh, my God.

Eligal. You, y'all so stupid. No, just stay on illegal. I'm going to hear some late-air stories. Because do you remember the Snoop story and the source? Oh, when Jamal was with, when Jamal takes fun of, what was that like? Because they had beef, too. They was beefing against the...

Everybody. Everybody, dude. When I first, so left, she bought me these kids one day to the studio, and she was getting ready to go in a row. So I got this group. You got a sign on a rowdy. They're dope. They're like a little red man, little trash.

I'm sorry. That description is funny. When they came to the studio, they were finishing each other's sentences. They were like, them doves was like dope. They were like, oh, no, no.

They throwing dice with each other. Like, these little dudes, it's bad as shit. She's like, well, keep them with you. I got to go on tour. That should have been a strike one. Right. So.

Y'all know who play dice? They stay in the studio with me at Dart. We have rooms in there, right? So the kids of everybody's loving these kids. Like Eric Sermon, Buster rhymes. already. So the kids come in and they out rapping everybody. They are

rapping and cussing and rapping and cussing and you know, head a good, where you want it? Head a good. Pop, pop. So nobody's ever seen kids curse like that. How old is illegal? I forget when they started. It was like... 11. So then I took them to Arista so Clive could see them. They jump up on the damn conference room table

kick off everybody's coffee cups. I'm like, okay, I just ruined. The original Bobby Spruder. Just ruin this shit. So like, then I have to class was like, amazing, amazing. It starts. I'm like, cool. We started to work on this record, right?

And so Lisa goes out of town. The two of them, about three or four days later, Malik comes up to me, say, yo, man, you got the blunt. I said, what? You're 12. I'm not smoking a blunt, by the way, and I'm not smoking out with you. You said, what is a blunt? I didn't even know it was.

Everybody's still smoking papers. He dumped the thund out. He said, okay, he put out his pocket on his own and his own weed, dumped it out and start rolling in front of me. I'm like, what's going on, man? I got to talk to you, D. He said, this is my little. Lee. He said, that motherfucker Jamal, I don't know him. What?

Wait, what? I said, hold on, hold on. We had just shot the head of gut video and then they want to go solo because he's like, man, he said, let me tell you something. I don't know this motherfucker. I made him the same day with left eye. We ain't been together like that. I said, what? He said, yeah. He said, I'm going to trust that motherfucker. I have to sleep with one I open. He's 12, by the way. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to get my solo D. I'm going to get my so I'm like, hold on, hold on. We just spent, y'all got to do head of gut. We just did the video.

We did it gets busy. Y'all got. got to follow this out. You can't go solo right now, right? So check this shit out. Right. The first promo tour started in L.A. All right. This $500,000 promo tour that they got because Clive Davis is going crazy about them, right?

So they get to L.A. And they decide that they're going to stay with Dre and Snoop. Oh, no, no. No, who let them do with their parents are? Great influences. Oh, parents are on the way their parents are. They had a picnic one day and they got with Dre and Snoop. And they're deaf rowing.

They turned the mascots. They're dead. Right. So now, Arrista's calling me like, yo, man, the kids, they won't leave LA. They're threatening the BMG reps and everything else. They hit them with hammers in the head and, you know, they got little guns and all this shit. So I'm like, so I'm like, so Clive calls, Dallas, this is crazy. You have to go get the kids. Wow.

I said, I got to go get the kids from where. I know that's right. I said from death road. You got to go meet with Shug. That sentence don't sound right. No. No. This is wrong.

You can have these little dudes. I'm not going to do that. Dallas, we have too much. money on the table, you have to go get the kids. You gonna get them climb. So me, yeah, right there. So I'm at the death field. Me, my man Kay Wells, we go out to death row.

Get up in the elevator. Man. Get off the elevator. It's just big dudes everywhere. Ain't no posters, ain't no plaques. Ain't no record. I'm stressed. It's just like wood panel and walls, right?

Yes. So I walk into the nether room. It's a fold-out table, fold-out chair. That's what we should be sure desk and a red carpet that's a red round thing. Right? But that's it. No, nothing else. Right?

So we walk in there. I was saying that's what she'll come in. He said, man. You know, it's so good, man. You know artists ain't loyal, man. You know how artists get, man. I'm like, here we go. So he's like, the boys got out here with Dre and Snoop, man.

And, you know, they just want to be on death row now. You know, they just want to do. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what. Just give me back what we spent. You can have them. He said, no, no, I was thinking we could do them together. You know, rowdy, death row. I was like, man, I'm cool on it.

Like, you can just get clob back what they spent. You can have them. I'm just trying to get out of here. Right, right, right. So he goes, well, man, the kids want to see you real quick, man. They want to say, hey, you know, so they come out of their wall. They came out of the wall? The wall.

The wall, the wizard. The wall opened up. And these little dudes, now they're about 13, 14. They still can't drive, right? 13, 14. So they're like, high as I don't know what. Hey, man, Dallas and they ain't me and me and they're, man. They're not me and shoot niggles.

They ain't me. They are high on Sherman or whatever it is. So I was like, all right, I'm cool. We can work this out later. I'm just, let me get out of here, right? So I get back to Atlanta. Two days later, Malik shows up. Oh, party over?

Oh, yeah. He's like, no, no, I can deal like that. He says, let me tell you something, man. Jamar Grandma put some roots on me. What were you, huh? Yeah, you say, you want the legal story you're here. But Jamar, grandma, put some roots on me. I said, what are you talking about, man?

He's like, man. Well, I'm just saying like this, man, my shit's rolled up. And I said, so that's because you got there with death row, probably messing with them with girls. whatever. Not wrapping it up, B. He goes, this is how he talked to you to.

No, I'm a virgin, my nigga. Oh. And that is our clip for the Dallas Austin episode. The next quest left Supreme. So, no, but check this out. It gets it even worse. He says, so I went to the doctor.

Dad and Krupp took me to the doctor. He said, so the doctor said, they didn't know what this was. What happened to me? So then he said, Daz and Croft said, we got to take you to this lady in the hood. So he take it to the lady in hood.

Lady in Hood says, oh yeah yeah somebody put some on you you need to take a bath in this milk or the stuff he gave me he said so i did that they went down i got my ass on the plane and here i am i'm here ready to do my solo record oh okay solo record okay we still oh we there we can't okay no right now the other part about this is meanwhile they got a record out gets busy they got a head of gut out and and aristler's just trying to do everything they can to push the guys that they can't get a hold to because i remember it was the red tape i had the red tape yep we get all the way through the whole now they never went on no promo tour. That all got kicked out of the window from them being crazy or whatever.

They stayed in death row that long. Well, we get to the Billboard Awards that year. Right. Now, Clive Davis is getting 20-something awards that year. He's getting all the Whitney Houston's all. You know, he's just rack. He's just doing this thing, you know. So, rap category would come up. Cool like that. Diggle with planets. Yeah. Hip hop a ray. Not in my nature. Right. We get busy. Illegal. People like, okay. And the winner is illegal, we get busy. Stop it. I thought that was good at a plant.

Wait, what? The fix is in. You can see us looking at each other. You're a bad boy. Now, if the kids did what they were supposed to do, it would have made sense, right? Because they would have went on a promo tour. Damn. They would have been blown up.

But Clive got to put his bids in. Early. Yeah. It was almost embarrassing. You know he wasn't as big as diggable plan as oil, hip hopperet or another. Because Jamal ended up getting the solo deal. Jamal, both of them did. So Malik and her.

ended up doing his solo deal. We did. Emily goes on. I like Fade Amal. Fade Amal. Keep it real was the one, though. Yep. Keep it real.

And they were, again, on that stride, they were writing their own stuff. I had the publishing company set up for him as kids. I'm afraid to ask this question. Yeah, please. I want you to ask it. I want to know, too. Go ahead.

Where are they now? Oh, my God. Can they say something sweet? They're around. They're breathing. Okay. That's all I'm mad. We'll see Jamal every now and then.

But they have had times with me before this. Like, man, we fucked up. Sorry, man. They were doing all kinds of like pistols and like, you know, driving cars into people's houses. Still in the engineers cars sitting on pillows driving the engineer cars to North Carolina. Like. And Lisa just chilling. She told me they were like, I feel like they'll be together.

Now, everybody that sees them, everybody that sees the kids instantly fall in love with them because they gamble. They like the coolest little dudes. They just, they're. It's cute if you spend a little time with them. Not when you'd invest in $500,000. No, man. $500,000, that was a dollar cute. Damn, I hate to ask about y'all so stupid.

Y'all so stupid was cool because they were like, you know, they like our far side. They were like skateboarding and drawing and doing graffiti and doing art. And, you know, and so H-2 all still does the same thing, still doing art and drawing. How was, uh, you did, y'all was the king and I? That was on the king and I, too. Yeah, yeah.

What was they like? They were cool because they were just out of New York. And it was just like, you know, Majesty was doing stuff, doing a lot of production back then. And I think he was in juice or something back then, too. Oh, was this rapid fire? I mean, we're going down to Okay, because I wanted to ask you about

India Davenport. But that's way later. Okay, I didn't know what we were doing. But we did skip Highland Place Mobsters. Oh, yeah. There's always a point where we ask like if the producers themselves get their own project out

or whatever, but I personally liked Let's Get Naked. The Highland Place Mopsters was crazy because the guy, Chip, who was the lead singer, who's... I heard he actually would get naked. He would get naked on stage And this is the time where that wasn't really cool like that, right?

So, like, the first show we ever did, we did here in Atlanta, and so let's get naked. And he's different, this guy. He's very, very different. I got to Google. I don't remember. I heard this. They called the maniac in the group, and he always had on a straight jacket. I would have said they were way crazy or Jodice.

Like, what I wanted Jodacy to be for fast songs, that's what Highland Place Mops. Like, besides get on up, Jodicy never had. the fast song that like engaged me. So I saw him as a ball. Right. So like they third out. But the bad boy, Hyder Daughter's group

was Highland Place with mobsters. And that shit should have made it. And Chip was like, this is what kind of, this is how to kind of demise went down. So we did this show at the BRE. Yeah. Remember BRE?

Yes. And so I was telling him like, okay, on this show at the BRE, you cannot take your overalls down. Because he'll snap the overalls me and they just come down. And he just butt ass.

naked with his socks on. No draws. So you just told him to get naked. I get it. No, because he had did this before at one show he did. And when he did it in Atlanta, I was, I had to be, I'm chasing him around the stage like trying to hold the over the over the, but he, but I couldn't. So in Atlanta, he had jumped out on the rafters of the rafters of the, you know how the light rafters be in front of the stage too.

So he's not here on the rafters and he's just, my mom, everybody's in the audience, kids, it's just, you know. So it went across well on the sky page of it back then because everybody's talking about, you the Holland plays my after show. You've seen the Hollywood place my after show? So there's like, gift and the curse was like, okay, now you guys got to perform at BRE. I'm like,

I said, but that's Black Radio exclusive. That's going to be like crazy. Yeah, yeah, you got to, though. We need to do it. So we go to do it. And when we get there. So all the Helen Littles of the world? Yeah.

Oh, God. Yeah. So we get there, the stage is like this. So it's not high enough. So I'm telling him off the bat, yo, my man, okay, don't drink no O-E tonight. And do not take your clothes off on the stage.

And these are black radio people. We said, oh, man, I got it in the hand. I worry about it. I go to the damn room, right? We're doing an interview with Cynthia Horner at the time. Wow. Right on. Yes.

He doing an interview with her. I look at him. He's licking. You're doing that? So I'm like, what is he doing? He got an 84-ounce handcuffed to his hand of old English, like a big apple juice jug or O-E. Handcuffed to his hand.

Yes, because they had a little ring, and that's why he put the handcuff in. And he had that handcuffed to his hand. He's like, Dallas, man, I got this shit. No way about that. I'm like, oh my God, we're about to go on stage like this. So we go to the stage and he got that damn thing handcuffed to his hand. Right. So finally get the old E off of him.

I said, man, you can't jump around with this thing. I'm going to take it off. So, okay, okay. He's singing like sound cook or somebody, like, Tanship D.R.B. Like, Tans Chin. Real, like, rasping. Real soulful voice, right? Absolutely.

So we make it through one song and then we get to Let's Get Naked. So he's jumping around the stage on Let's Get Naked and I see him taking off his damn thing. So I got a keytard on, by the way. So I'm just like, chasing his food around the stage, holding on to that damn thing, right? So he decides that because, you know, I'm holding on to him like that,

that he's going to stage dive. Oh. He staged dive, where he still had the top, he still had the bottom part of the overall zone because I was doing this when he staged dive. He stage dives and he jumps out into the audience and lands on somebody.

The stage is like this tall, so I told him, don't stage dive. It's not high enough, right? Well, we get to finish the performance, we go upstairs, all of a sudden, like, Ellie and Babyface come running upstairs. Bo-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-Let us in. Yo, Shugnighting them downstairs, and they're looking for the boys with the blonde hair. Why? Well, he has a group called Polbroke and Lonely, and he landed on the girl's neck.

And she's at the hospital. So Shug-Night, Dr. Dre, and everybody with them is ready to kill all y'all. So we're like, oh shit. Now, L.A. and Babyface, we got another knock at the door with Shood came. L.A. Babyface ran the bathroom. Oh, my boy. Shut the door. We don't know.

What's going on? What's going on? Breathe. Should get the door. Like, yo, open the door. We try to get to the blonde. Open the door. Try to get the blonde dude.

So now Chip, who's nobody to be, he's crazy, too. He's out of his mind. I made him machine guns and he's crazy. Karate, all this. So first he turned into, let's go check it out. man to see if the girl's all right. What? No, you don't want to go out there.

They're trying to kill the blonde dude. We're breaking the motherfuckers in here there, let's go. No, no, no. So we got to calm this down. Well, at this point, the police thing came up and took Dre and Shug, you know, said y'all got to get out of hallways because it was beating on the doors and stuff.

I was going to wait in the lobby before them to come downstairs. Police came in and said, look, we got a problem. It's about 200 people in red and down downstairs. Waiting on y'all. So we're going to need y'all to leave. And we're going to take y'all down through the kitchen.

and put you all on the bus and y'all go in Atlanta. So we walk out, it's police lined up all down the hallways, right? We get on the bus, take off, get to Atlanta, I mean, take off to get out of there. And that was just, I wonder if you all remember this, but they got into a riot in that BRE at that time in the hotel room, I mean in the hotel lobby,

and they bought the horses in. And they had people, they were hitting them with the sticks and stuff to get them out of there. It was a big massive idea. Wasn't it also Luke related? Yep. Okay. I remember Luke telling the story.

Yep. So then that distracted them? That was all, yeah, all that was going on. So after that, the Holland Place Moffield was a laugh. It was a rap. No, I've heard that same story. My man Eric Robeson, he was at that event. Shut up.

He told me, damn near verbatim, word for word, told me that same story. He was like 10 years ago. So, oh, my God. Dude, like, okay, so this answer is my question. Like, we were big to go to these jacked the rappers. Yep. How can I be down events?

And the label would never let us go. And now I get the sneaky suspicion that that was orchestrated because... They were scared for you? It wasn't always like that, but look, this is your Dallas role with. It started to get like, you know, as time went on, the music started to change. It started to get a little more like that because you're going to have gangsters showing up. And, you know, they're not showing them by themselves. They're going to bring the whole airplane in everybody else.

Oh, speaking of gangsters, your relationship or dealing with Hitch and Jack? Oh, Jack. Man. You know Hation Jack? Oh, yeah. Wait, how do you know he knows Hach and Jack? He talks about it in the FX. He spent time in Atlanta.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I didn't watch that shit. It was good. It's like it's thorough. I didn't know, but when I first met him, he was down, you know, he was down in Atlanta. He had his 850.

And I think they were like, they were notorious. They wasn't really like dope boys. It was like getting the dope boys. Whatever. They was taking money. So there was in Atlanta. And, I mean, it got cool. Like, you know, everybody kind of liked me, you know, because I don't mention nobody like that.

Are you the crazy magnet? Like, how do you not? Like, how do you not? Like literally everyone that you work with has a level of edge. Yeah. That reminds boys to men. I'm a T-I. So maybe birds of a feather flock together.

They just, you know, they feel safe. I'm in the music business. I'm cool. I ain't really like with no, you know. So they feel like they want to protect you, you know. That's my man kind of thing. So like I was in New York with Jack for the first time when I met him in New York. And he was like, man, you know, I want to take him.

take you to, what was it, the supper club. Okay. So we go there and we're standing outside in the line and Jack's trying to say to the guys, hey, you know, I got my guest here, got Dallas here, and we're getting the table, tell Vincent, I'm here, whatever, right? So the guy ain't coming. This is why I really thought to realize who this was.

The guy's not showing up. So Jack's like, yo, did you tell Vincent I'm out here? He's like, yeah, yeah, man, Jack. He said, hold up. He's all right, I tell you what? You tell him I'm coming back and I'm shutting this motherfucker down. everybody in the line that was standing outside, they just started to leave.

Yeah. It's over. And I was like, okay, okay. Then the dude came running up. No, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack. Come me up back. So I'm like, who the fuck is this dude? You know?

And then as I started working with Madonna, people like that, then Jack started to be around me and that. And, you know, being out of hanging out. Wait, what? I did not know that either. Haitian Jack and Madonna? Yeah. Yeah.

Is that the, in the words, in the words of, yeah. It came from me first. Yeah. And then... I was afraid to ask. Yeah. Because we're kind of friends, but I feel like you know the edgy or Madonna. Yeah.

I got... We was hanging out a little bit first. Friendly or Madonna. Yeah. Trying to... Yeah. But then it was... After that it was Robin and Jack and Tupac, all that was in that same kind of little

circle where she was trying to have a little edge at the time. She was trying to be in the streets at the top. You gave her the first taste brown. Then she'd be like, that brown is nice. All right. But then Jack got a whole tool. I mean, it was a funny story. So after I finished working on the album, Madonna took the record and mixed it with Nelly Hooper.

Nellie Hooper. But I was supposed to go out and mixing on that date. So it was like August 20, if we mixing the record, come to L.A. All right. It's high school. And when I'm going there, she's like, well, I already mixed it. I already mixed the album with Nellie and it's coming out. And here it is.

Sent it to me. So I was like, what? How are you going to take my stuff and mix it? You know, so I'm pissed off. I only want to talk to you no more. You don't take my joints and all this. So then I'm in New York. And I'm riding with Jack.

He goes, that's the phone. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Madonna want you to come by and hit an album, man. She really wants you to come by the house, man. She really wants you to come here. I said, I'm not trying to go over there. Yeah, he said, hey, I don't want to come out. She said, please, man, just come by the else.

I said, where am I talking to you to talk to Madonna before, right? So we getting up going over the house to listen to the record. I was like, it was just weird because I'm going to sit there listening to the song. I said, well, you know what? You did just mess up my mixes. You messed up everybody mixes. So I feel all right. I was going to say, are you loud to be honest?

I mean, I was pissed off. And this is, what record? Is this human nature? This is secret. This is survival. This is like, we did all these songs together. And it just started going south, you know. But at the end of the day, you know, like we ended up making up because it was just like firing at one point.

I wish I still had a letter that she wrote me. She wrote letters? Yeah, she wrote one at Tupacupac too. It's in this museum. She wrote me a letter going off. I should understand her struggle because it's the same as like the black man and the this and the other. And boy, I've got a fireback. You, like, you chugged,

you know, but after a few years, it was like, you know what? I don't have no bad energy with nobody on the planet, and I don't want none. And so one day I called her, she was doing like a Vita or something. I just called out of blue,

and I was like, hey, she's like, uh-oh, what did I do to deserve this call now? I'm like, nope, it's your record. You know what I'm saying? I learned a lot from you. As long as it turned out the way you wanted it to be, I should be happy with that. Because it's up to you.

It's up to you. It's your record. I'm working for you on that. I want to squash this, the energy, and let's just be cool. And then from that point was good. Do you think that was, like, was that first time you learned that lesson as a producer of just learning just to let things go? Yeah. Well, the boys, the man, when they put out the rough mixes, I had to let that one go.

Because I wouldn't even listen to it. I didn't listen to that record for years. I was selling millions of records. And then just like, my mom was working at this is at barbecue, too. So I was, like, in bad contracts. So I really wanted my stuff to be like what Teddy's would sound like or what, you know, the other records I would hear would sound like. And when they put that out, I was just. like that's one.

So then working with her was another one. I had a lot of humbling experiences because when you come from being a creator, and then you get to the label side, you have to look at it both ways, you know? Wait, so even Motown, Philly was a rough mix? Rough mix. I mean, you kind of acknowledge now,

like it's effective in a banger, but the version in your mind was way bigger or... Yeah, it was like, you know, I had drums still on four tracks instead of having them all separated. Yeah. Okay, yeah. I feel you there.

It's so hard to say goodbye yesterday. Was that always an acapella? Or did you initially have music behind it and stripped it? It was always archipella.

I just did put it like a bass and the snaps to it and kind of let the ooze and stuff be the music to it. Okay. Oh, man. One of the producers

used to wrong with you, Spearhead X. Oh, yeah. What's up with? That's who just called me when they called me maybe went off. Oh, okay.

What's the other these days? You're the coalition DJs. They're the biggest DJ group. Oh. If you got records that you need to get placed and play in the strip clubs, whatever, that's X.

Damn. He was, he was my A&R for, like, all the y'all so stupid. Yeah, because he did, what you called on the legal album, the Likes camera. The record. Yeah.

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Can we talk joy? Sunshine and rain, Joy. Oh, man. Yeah. Yes. Pindional vibe. Don't say nothing. This is like Snoop now.

Yeah. Is it all you know what you gotta be in? Pensional vibe. Go in. Yeah. It was cool because during that time, you know I was with DeAngelo and Joy. And it was just that phase of what they started to call, Neil Soe that was coming out of Yinyang out here.

Yen Yang Cafe. The Yen Yang Cafe had everybody in there. It was like, that's when I think music, that's before that actually started to come out as Neo-So when you have Indyrie and Joy and Erica and everybody's kind of playing in Yinyang. And funk jazz. Yeah. And when we did Sunshine and the Rain record, just the whole record, it was such a different record for what I was working on at the time.

I didn't want to go do the same. I never wanted to do the same thing on anybody. I kind of couldn't. I didn't know how to do it. So I would just go do whatever that person was. I would produce that person. And Joy was just like full on. She bought so much knowledge of stuff I didn't know the table.

Betty Davis is and stuff and like and just being her own element that it just was amazing and she's just one of those artists that somebody's going to keep it real they can keep it 100% on the ground they don't care fishbone was the same way you know i had i talked to fishbone one time and say uh i wanted them to do spirits of the material world over right ah wow because i was like we had arista bro right we got a deal at arista we can do the whole punk album we can do alcoholics we can do everything but just give me spirits and material world so the cliving them can take it and do something with it. Like, man, that's the group crazy.

He's like, no, man, that's the police. That ain't real scar, bro. And I'm like, we ain't selling out. I'm like, but I know, but we're at Arista now. You just did Al-A-Paloosa last year with swim and you were huge with that record. Right. So let's keep going.

Your fishbone. Nobody cares if you sing a Garth Brooks record. You steal fishbone, right? So they wouldn't do it. And then I ran into flee, and they had just did a roller coaster. Right. And I said, and we all in the studio. And I said, yo, man, did y'all feel like y'all sold out

doing roller coaster. He's like, nah, man, we had fun. MTV wanted it. It was cool. And I said, I'm trying to get fishbone to get because we do an alternative and I understand it because I grew up an alternative to the max. I was just like, I was that guy. But I also grew up watching alternative turn big and become the mainstream.

And it turned with the chili peppers, the difference in them doing the George Clinton records and doing the records with Ricky style. Right. You know, alternative went to another spot. And that's why, even with Joy's and I think a lot of the artists that you know, they have a certain kind of integrity. they just don't want to cross over into doing anything

that doesn't feel like that. Because they feel like they compromise themselves. They feel like they compromised themselves. What was the deal with her second album, the Biba Clemsonzer Syndrome? Kind of the same. We, you know. Because it never got officially released.

They never got officially released because in between that time. You know, and then EMI, around the same time starts to say, okay, now we, you know, stuff is happening. We have DeAngelo's. Now we need more of this. You know that.

When you start to say that to an artist, they just be like, especially the artist's like Joy, because she feels like she was a spearhead. of a lot of it. Oh, yeah. You know, so it's kind of hard to tell her to go back and do something, you know, that she didn't want to, that she didn't feel like doing.

Time to smile. That was my one on that record. Time to smile. Yeah, man. You know, you worked with back when he was still, Terrence Trent Darby. Sananda. What's his next? Sananda, Matreya.

Sananda, yeah. Yeah, it just hit me that you literally have every eccentric artist ever. Because next I'm going to Michael Jackson. But what was it like working with him? It was a trip because he had just turned himself into Sananda. So he was in that middle kind of thing. You know, he had a dream where the angel came and told him they needed to change his name. And he did it.

And so, but his, as soon as you hear him sing. Yeah. It's like when you hear that voice, it's like when I was working with Duran Duran, as soon as you hear that voice, like the Simon, you're like, oh, man, that just resonates instantly to you. And he's like, and he was amazing. He's like, I think he was still. one of the artists at that time when we worked together, you know, coming off of all this success.

When you get, in that era, when you got a lot, a lot, a lot of success like that, some people just start hating it. You know, same thing with Kurt Cobain and them. People, they start hating the success. And then they don't want to, sometimes when they do that, they don't want to make the best record. Self-sableness. There's a lot of self-sabitur and all that.

But who is your ideal subject that you work with? They take your constructive criticism good. And who can't you take? tell anything to. Nope, I'm doing one take or whatever, like. Oh, Janet Jackson was the easiest one. Okay. She's the easiest person ever worked with. Really? Yes, Dallas. What do you want Dallas? Yes, Dallas. Yes, Dallas. I mean, not one throwback on nothing. And then... Taskmaster. The hardest one of probably worked was Macy. Great.

Macy, great? Really? Yeah. Based on what? I mean, I'm not trying to be reductive, but... She was just in the fit of me of a Macy moment, I think, you know? I mean, you never know was a different day. Dude, it was insane. But it was, you know, it's because also she's our own artist with her own,

like, you know, you're short to the studio and we're supposed to be there at three. She already there at one with musicians that's been sitting around forever, like just like, and then they're doing their own thing. They're like, hold on wait.

And the label is busy going to Dallas. Get control of everything. And I'm like, well, I thought I had it. I know that she's going to be able to hold it. But, you know, I've never really worked with anybody that, I try to source that out before. You know, like if we're going to have good energy or not,

because sitting in that room with people like that, you know, that's not what we do it for. You know, I don't do this to have drama or trouble. I try to make the best music we can make with somebody who gets it in, you know. So I've never really had a bad, bad one, you know. Dionne Sanders, must be the money. Were you in there for recording that joint?

You knew what's coming. Come on, man. I keep going back to Shug Night in my stories, don't it? Okay. Two? Yeah. Oh. So Shugged at the studio,

and we're working on, I mean, Dion's working on, he's being on death row, right? Because Hamill was, okay, go ahead. Hammer went to death row, right? So she'll come to studio and he goes, yo, man, Dionne Sanders really wants to do this record. Must be the music over, it must be the money. I was, oh, no, man, that's probably not a good idea, you know. He's like, well. You felt comfortable saying no?

Well, I just said that probably is not a good idea. That's a guess. That's not no. So then he had a book. a photo album full of cars. He opened it up. It's Lamborghinis. It's Rose Royces.

It's like I said. Pick one. So good, man. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to take a car. You know, I don't want to be a dead it. You know, something like that. I understand.

So he said, all right, all right. I catch you. I got you. So he gets on the phone. And I'm thinking myself, shit, I just want this to be over with. Oh, you're a dare double. So then he gives record to one he comes back in.

And he goes, man, look, Dio wants you to do a record. He really wants you to do a record. to do the record. By that time, I was about to just say, okay. Right. Let me figure it out. But he goes, so what if I do this, man? I give you $250,000 right now. Oh. I said,

the dude must be the music over? He said, yeah. I got that record in the back. We can do this now. Let's get to it. You want it tonight? Right. It's the fastest record I ever did with the fastest money ever made than the most money ever made on any song.

What? Like for an advance. Yeah. Produce events. Wow. And he was happy. with it and Dion was happy with it and everybody's happy with it. Hey man, that shit was a left. Yeah,

it didn't. First of all, I didn't even know you you know, it did. Exactly. But yeah, it wasn't, that was one of those things where I don't think anyone was expecting Dion to like bar up, you know what I mean? So to us, it was just funny to us, you know what I mean? Like, we'd be singing that you, because he had to

ran at the end. They say money ain't going change me. It's going to change me. It's going to change my address. It's going to change my bank account. It's going to change my The leather shoes that gaiters. Like, I had, are you telling me, all right, all right,

now talk sitting on the last, on the finger. Shout out to Dion Sanders in his evolution. Shout out to Dion. Coach Frye. Hell yeah. Okay.

Yeah, let's go to it. Michael. Oh, yeah. Now, how many songs did you do for history? I worked on blood on the dance floor. They don't care about us too bad this time around.

Probably a couple other ones that we didn't. But I meant the ones that are somewhere in the vaults. It's a couple of them in the vaults just tracks, yeah. Really? But what's crazy is I got him on, I still got his beatboxing

because he would beatboxing into the thing to show you where they wanted to tag. That's a name, boom, tap. Okay. I would sample that. Yeah. So I got his beatbox.

Now, okay, I'm so glad that the cameras are here, but here's the deal. Now, at the time, it's probably the first time that I'm a little lukewarm on a Michael record. Because every album of Michael Jackson's

like, a goddamn event. Yeah. You know, I'm a diehard fan to the end. But, you know, I also understand that he's probably been working on it for some time. Yeah. And too bad just, I finally warmed up to it maybe three years ago because I initially thought Jam and Lewis did it. But the thing that always killed, like, I know Michael's a dancer.

And I know he wants an audio accountability. of how ever his bones move. Yep. So the particular rhythm and too bad was just like I can... Do it again. You got that, right? Well, what's funny is they'll tell you that he doesn't want the same thing.

Right. I want to do something different. And then it winds up being the same. It's got to get back to that. So the thing is, is that history is not a bad record. And this is why I applaud what Beyonce did. because, you know, I heard a record in the car, heard a record on the headphones on my computer, whatever.

But when I went to the nightclub, and they played it three times. The second time I was like, let me not stand next to them and go on the other side and see how people reacted to it. They played the entire record. And she achieved something that I know that Michael's been dying to do,

which is, can I put a record on that's high adrenaline that lasts from beginning to end? She managed to do it because she managed the highs and the lows part, which for Michael Jackson always felt like every song has to be adrenaline, has to be adrenaline. It's not dynamic. So, yeah, by the time you get to the seventh song, you're already worn out.

Because it's not like anything's executed bad or whatever, but just in one full setting. The presentation, yeah. It's like for a cry. Like, he's stuffing you with. And by the time I got, you know, I just, I heard too bad on its own. And, but the thing is, is that the rhythm of that song can only be for a person. that walks like Michael Dan. How do you craft something with Michael Jackson

if you're not a band playing it? That's him. He's doing that. Like he does all that. He'll be in there with you doing the, this is how I wanted to feel or this is how I wanted to. And he said, add more sticks. Have more sticks.

I have more sticks. I think like anything else, though, when I first worked with Michael, it was like with Bruce Sweetine and then I said, well, you know what, this isn't really my vibe. So I left and went back home when I came back. You allowed to, that's the one person you walked away from? Yeah, I was just like, it was too much going, like, you know, Bruce Whedine and Renee Moore was working with him.

And it was kind of like. Renée and Angela Renee Moore? Yeah. And they had their own little things going on, you know. The project's huge. So they got their own little side hustle. The energy is not good. Energy was not good, you know.

So I left my home. Michael called me back. I was like, Dallas, why did you leave? I was like, well, you know, I was in the studio with those guys. And I'm not really going to be a part of what's going on over there. He said, oh, no, no, come back and work over here with me at this studio. I'm in the studio here, and then I was here. Oh, yeah, that's what I want to be.

So I come back and I walk in the room and Jimmy Jam is in there. And he's playing, and I see him and I just fanned out. I was just like, Jimmy Jam, man, you don't understand. It wasn't for you. I wouldn't for you. That's the first time we're meeting him? I had seen him at back before. No, first time it was at flight time when they had Rhythm Nation,

the Rhythm Nation premiere of it. And I got so depressed, I just wanted to kill myself. I was like, I went to flight time. They had, it was showing the knowledge videos and the whole Rhythmation 1814 thing. And I was just outside just like crying. I'm like, I'm never going to be this good. This is awful. Like, I don't know.

That's when I did the one of a TLCTRA record. I was like, got to make it where you can see it. It's a little more vivid. That put the battery in your pack. So I had so when I saw him at with Michael, I was just like, yo man, he had to be like, this is Michael. I was like, oh, Michael, hey, man, Jimmy Jam. So, like, so. And I felt like Michael didn't get enough.

energy for me that time. So he, and then he played Scream. And I was just like, oh, yeah, I go again. God damn what I did I just hear.

He's like, fom-p-p-p-p-p-and. And I was like, okay, now how am I going to, what am I going to do now? Like, because this shit

just sounds crazy, you know, and then it's Jimmy Jam and Taylor's doing Michael Jackson. So it was like, I was just kind of lost for it. So then he took, you know,

took us in this room after a while, like, you know, a room where you have all your, like, teddy bears and your, right.

you know, if you're going to be in a studio for a long time, it's like your room, your lounge. Yeah. And this dude just start putting in tapes. Like, he's like, so this is when I was like, you know, it's 300,000 people outside and 300,000 people inside. And, you know, and so you see him chant, Michael, Michael. He carries his own highlight reels.

Hold on. After he took that out, he's like, oh, shit, that's him. Then he put in another one. And this is when, boom, you're looking at it, and it's Africa. Michael, Michael, that's all they can say. And he said, I was building hospitals. And this is me with Charlie Chap.

So every time he's sticking another tape, I stopped being scared to look at him because I'm like, that's that, mother, you know. It's working. Right. You know what I'm saying? And the last one he put in was the, I don't know if you've seen this before, but it was him sitting at a piano and he's singing, I'll be there.

And he has a tank top on. And it's like, during the, like, remember the time kind of phase, right? Right. And then he keeps seeing Little Michael saying, I'll be there. And he's in the doorway. He looks back in Little Michael. He's in a doorway. It's a Pepsi commercial.

Right. It's a Pepsi commercial. But at that time, he shot it as a, like, he would shoot commercials like that. at his demos and then wouldn't even use them. What? He shot that on his own and sold it to Pepsi? Yeah. What? Wow.

And it said something like, isn't it good to be great or something on it? During the project, he was just so adamant about being paranoid in that different way because that's the history record, you know? I was going to ask about they don't care about us. And also this time around, were you there for when they track Big's vocal? Oh, yeah. Being Big is sitting in the car outside Larrabee. I called Puff.

And I was like, yo, first I asked. Michael, he said, what a rapper for this song? I want somebody that's really street. You know, so what about naughty by nature? He said, oh, I need somebody harder. I said, oh, okay. So I said, all right, well, well, well, Biggie. Yeah, this is where his beat?

Yeah. Do you know him? So I call puff. I say, yo, you just said Biggie out of work with this Michael Jackson record with me? Like, yeah, he out now. So big, he comes out, me and him sitting in the car smoking and playing a song over and over again. He's just like, yo, I can't believe I'm sitting in the car with you, bro. writing on some Michael Jackson said this is crazy

and so he's writing the rhyme and so after he finished he says it to me and I'm like I don't know that might be too hard making a prophet gee I'm a killer motherfucker I ain't joking Indo smoke got me talking like I know my nigga Mike like that And so I was like all right well let's just go play it for him

but I don't know Mike you might have to tone down some I don't know right As soon as he played it for Michael's like I love it That's exactly what I wanted to say That's just sound like Gary. What I want to know is because, you know, at the time, you know, Tom Snetton was on his ass. So I know that Mike was riding the razor of, to just situation, you know, changing his name around and all that shit.

I mean, was there anyone that was in the room that was sort of like, hey, dog, you shouldn't talk shit about the DA that's like. Well, dude, you got to realize this. During that time, he was the most, you know, sought-after person on the planet. Remember the plane kept landing in different places? So he said, he said, Dallas, this was horrible. You know, they, you know, he said the plane was landing in different places and taken off, and they're looking for me, and I'm sitting in the hotel room in Russia looking at it. The Russian government hit him.

That's when he wrote Stranger in Moscow. He's watching it on TV, the planes keep taking off and landing. But he's in the KGB. He's after me. He's writing a song. Watching this happen. The whole world is looking for him and Russia's hiding him, right? So by the time he comes up from all of this,

his history record was to, like, show everybody. So the first thing he did was he went and got the whole Brazilian army. So when you look at the history trail again, and I was wondering why he told us to do this. He sent us to the Museum of Tolerance. You ever been there on Pico? I walked past it. I didn't know what was in there.

That place is fucked up. So, because you go in there and it's the museum. tolerance. It tells you, you know, you walk through, when you first get in it, start calling your names like spick, nigger, cracker, white boy, yeah. And then it shows you what happened to all these different races, like, you know, kids in Africa, kids in Atlanta where they're spraying the kids with the water holes and stuff like that.

So you're going through this whole place. And at the end, you're in the gas chamber, in the Holocaust. And by the time you get out of that place, you're just like, everybody's looking at each other all fucked up because you didn't know that this race did. People are crying and all. So I'm like, why did he make us go see that? So I get back and he's take the film that this show in there is the Hitler film. And he's got the army and they're marching past these pillars.

And then you see a little dog. And then you see the army marching more. And then when Hitler gets to the top, the flags come down, right? So Michael mimicked the same film for history. Right. Okay. So if you look at the history trailer now, he got the whole Brazilian army. He went to just say, hey, can we shoot a thing?

but the whole Brazilian army goes, yeah, we'll be in your trailer for your new album. So they're marching, they're marching, they got the little dog come around,

just like the thing, and then the flags come down. It's the same thing. Then he had the silver statue with the helicopters flying around. Yeah, yeah, the big set. Yeah. So,

yeah. So when he started going at Tommy and started going at Sony, and all that, the first thing they said was, okay, well, you said, Kike me.

and they don't care about us. Take those records off the show. So they took all the history records off the show. I remember that. Right? Because he said, Kike Me. Yeah. But then it wasn't just Kike Me.

He had the whole... He did the whole Hitler thing. He mimicked the Hitler video. So they started coming to him hard then, going, you know... And for him... So for reference, in case our audience is a little confused. Like, he's basically going down the list of everyone in history that's been disparaged in...

Yeah. Yeah. Spit on or whatever. But again, taking out of context. Yep. You know. He never saw that one coming either because that's just the song.

Yeah, I have both versions of the records where both references are on. But yeah, I feel like the blackballing of him started really when. It started them and it started with that war with him and like Sony and then ATV. And then it just started that whole. Remember then he's going down to New York City with Al Sharpton and him on top of the red buses. And the videos of him with the FOI and the video with him when he said

I had to help Mariah out a little bit Uh-huh, uh-huh I don't remember that? Oh no, he did, it was that press conference He was in the press conference He said she had to come cry on my shoulder A little bit, he turned real Indiana I'm late, I'm like, oh, I'm late

Oh, I'm late That's right, yeah, little body rolling And his voice got deeper when he said it Yeah, oh I bet Yeah, you think you know Mike I'm Joe Jackson son Right Yeah, he's from Indiana

Yeah, he was Indiana definitely Yeah, yeah Wow. But what's crazy is he would say, like, you know, he would broadcast itself, like, you know, when he had the shirt on and he broadcast itself, the red shirt, and he's saying, I've been humiliated. I've been, you know, they check my house, they check my private parts, all this. He took a satellite to Neverland and broadcasted that himself and then said,

okay, y'all can tap me into this. He's like, so, because he was saying, Dallas, if I go to their networks and do it, they're going to cut up my words and they're going to make it say what they want me to say. I want to be controlled. So he told him, okay, anybody want to know what I got to say? Y'all 7 o'clock, you can call me to my satellite. And that's what went all across. That was the first IG live.

Yo. He had relationships with people that most countries didn't have. Like, you can go into any country, and they're going to love Michael Jackson. They might hate our president. They might hate the government. So all different presidents all around the world love him. And when we were at the studio, one day, he said, Dallas, I did a hospital in Africa.

But look what the United States did. They put on the cover that Michael Jackson thinks Africa stinks because he's holding his nose. And he said, this is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about. Look at this. So people are going to come by the day from the studio just to thank me or whatever. Dude, it looked like coming to America. They came in with the rose petals.

They came in with the giant, giant heads and gold. And there was a king and queen of some point in Africa's coming and thanking for the hospitals and what he had done. And, you know, so when you have that kind of, like, influence around everybody, it's, when you get on somebody's bad side, then it's just, you got to watch. out for everybody. Right. You don't know who's coming at you. That kind of power don't exist no more.

Oh, no, no. He's the last of that one. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions,

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Okay, just as a fan and as a person that had an immense crush. dog man what happened with for real I love they was so dope yeah okay wait side story so maybe the second time

I went to L.A I was supposed to meet them just like four beautiful sisters they all had closed crop hair cold little short haircuts right sexy as shit they couldn't make it

and I happened to be across the street at a restaurant like a health food thing and that's how I met the jazzy fat nasties who just then wound up moving in my crib and all that stuff but my intention was like to sort of bring

for real into it was like a couple different body types that came out like you produced this join and it was like straight 60s on the Amy Winehouse tip and all that stuff and Like I do it Yes Oh yes

I'm going to love you like I do They all had short They were like the original like before Erica But one was kind of like thick Yep I remember no no no They all were different. I remember this.

Well, you know. I mean, I'm a booty washer, too. But it's weird, yeah, like, it's weird because, like, I was looking to, like, team up with them. There was a group call, for real. There was another group called, I think, Stepbrother. Yep. I'll be hanging around. Like, they were, like, the singing Far Side.

Like, I thought, okay, let me collect them, and then I'll make a crew or whatever. Well, stepchild. Stepchild. Yeah, I knew a song. Step child. But, yeah, for real. Yeah, she ended up, Nisi ended up marrying David Gates, who was my. I write him man at Rowdy all those years.

Okay. And then they even have having children and then just going on with life. I remember seeing some of their names on like Stevie Wonder record. So he would occasionally have him sing background. But I always wanted to know what happened with them, man. What was the reason for your two labels? You had Rowdy and you had, oh God, was the label? Limp or Rowdy or like?

Limp, yeah. I had limp at EMI just because it was supposed to be like the things that were slightly different. Alterative. Yeah. And then Clive was giving me junk about Rowdy at the time. You know, because I wanted to keep it rowdy. And I didn't even want to sign that like Monica.

I didn't think it was rowdy. But I had to. Why wasn't she on rowdy? Well, she was on rowdy. That's what I'm saying. But I had to. I remember she was on a face. Yeah, she was on rowdy.

But I had to end up signing her because of all the other debts of fishbone and other stuff like that, you know. And so I said, let me just go do what I know how to do. And so we ended up signing Monica there. But it was always the kind of offset, you know, have a different brand and different places of the type of music we make it. Is she one of your artists that you'll always make, music with. Oh, I love Monica. She's my...

Oh, okay, I was scared, but I wanted to do. Monica's like my daughter. She's always been my, like... Yeah, she's got the same team around her that's been around her since we signed her. Oh, good, so when we come back, we can get her because... Oh, yeah, she's the same with Melinda and her mom, and she's the most...

You know, the thing about Moe is that she grew into the songs that she got older because the songs were so grown. So singing while I love you so much now makes sense. It's like, you hear people singing in the audience. You're like... And when she sings it now, it's like, yeah, she's feeling it different. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a whole different story now.

Gosh, she sounds so great still. What was the, for just one of them days, backseat, L.L. Yeah, dude. That's what me and Clive got into it about. That's when I was going to leave Arister because I turned in, don't take it personal. And he's just like, oh, man, it needs a bridge.

I was like, no, no, no. She's 14. She's singing up with backseat of the Jeep. Just one of them days, don't take it personal. It's ignorant. It's supposed to be like that. Yeah. Because they was trying to say,

them days? And I'm like, yeah. Did you know how we would affiliate that with something biological or did you just... It's just one of them days. Right. For her, when I first saw Monica, she would always come in,

she had a little green-brile gold reins on and a little sweatsuit with a bunch of little bitty chains on. Like, you know, all the yellow girls looked. Back then, and she would come in and she would just see in the greatest love of all, and she'd be like, okay, am I done? And then she'd go about her business. And I'm like, damn, this attitude is bigger than her singing.

It's crazy. And so I kept telling Clive and them, they kept trying to come with these Diane Warren and all that. So not yet. It's not time. You got to sell this attitude. Like she's D from what's happening. You know what I'm saying? She's always in grown folks' business.

She always like, throws in the neck. She gave us a PMS anthem. So, yeah, man. He was like, don't take it personal. It's one of the days. I'm so proud of what she's growing into just as a mother and a person period. You know, she's always had a head on straight, always been just like the best. Is there anything that you have yet to do?

Is there anything left on the bucket list? Yeah, I mean, what I'm doing now is having my own distribution company, DAD. Wow. And over the course of the pandemic, I just dove really hard into my distribution company because I want to make a difference in the way stuff is distributed because you're making no money. So luckily, blockchain came along, and now I have a protocol that I launched in November

where it would allow you to choose your own streaming rates. So you can choose your own streaming rate on music. You can stream for $10, $10, $2. You can stream for a year, five months, forever. It's up to you. You can sell it as an artist. As an artist. Okay.

For all your content. And I'm implementing it not just on my platform, but in other platforms. Like Amazon, like I want everybody to use it because that's how we're going to change the course of how the industry is at this point. You know, Spotify and all those blanket license. And the blanket license trip is over. That was a Band-Aid in the first place. Like, you can't blanket license all of us because that means that nobody's going to make no money. So you got people, I can see people with three, four, four, five million streams, 10 million streams,

and you're still not really making no money. So, you know, the next step is when we launched this is to, you know, and it's dope. I saw Meek Mill tweet about it one day. He's like, man, as soon as somebody makes this direct consumer to artists, you know, I was like, we already got it. It's launching. You can go for your Apple pay, your Google pay, up to 50 contracts on one song.

So all four of us did. All right. Yeah. And it comes to you instantly to everybody. What's crazy is my auntie brain was like, you know, when you hear distribution, it was such, it used to be such a physical word, right? It's no physical, no physical. Nothing about it no more.

User generated content killed that. Soldier Boy killed that off because the minute you can make it in the Mac and then distribute it to your MySpace or Facebook or whatever was, that ended up being distribution. So it took away all the trucks and machines and brick and mortar stores and brick and mortar stores and warehouses and all that. And we distributed over 200 DSPs. Because back in the day, a person like you saying, I have a distribution company that it was no such thing. Yeah. Like this is the dream.

This is why people went to label. because they had no distribution. So I'm just like, yeah. I love it because I see people signed up from around the world, children's books, Cuba, Canada, everywhere, just all kinds of stuff. And so because I'm a music person, I don't really, the volume is one thing. And most distribution companies are about how much volume can we get

because that's how they make money. And I'm about like, no, who's really dope? So I'm like, you see me on Sundays just scrolling through my backside, looking at labels, looking at what they got clicking in. Who is this? What music is it? And I have to say, we don't, I haven't seen a lot of badass music that would come through there.

Like, it's a DIY. You can load up at home. But I think they're trying to live up to the standard of my songwriting or my brand in a way. And it's really good music that comes. So I'm like, we got to help these people out. Are you pissing all the labels?

Not yet. Okay. Soon comes. We're going to disrupt that process. Their process is old. Yes. We got to think for the future. And you can't think of how they did it or done

and all that. It's just done already, you know? Man. One last question about just two songwriters that I've never really talked anyone did like new, Arnold Hennings.

Oh, yeah. This is crazy. Y'all asked by everybody to just call it my phone. Oh, word? That was, oh,

all outside, like, motherfucker fucking. Right, right. All right. And also Debra Killings. Oh, Debra's, like the best kept Atlanta secret.

Yeah, she's, she's sung on every song I've ever done from like all the backgrounds on Creep or what about your friends or like all the Outcast records and she's an amazing bass player. Her bass player.

Yeah. She's a bass player. Arnold, he did Cupid 112, but he also did did The Take Our Time, I thought that was you for the longest on the TLC album. Arnold Hedin is dope, man.

It's like, one of the things I did when I came in the game is, like, I bought producers together to try to give them the opportunity I wish I had, you know, instead of me getting ripped off and work for higher contracts or whatever, I was like, well, let me just find people that are dope and then give them the same opportunity, but then make it way they're going to make their money, you know. So Arnold Hennon and Tim Bob went on to be, you know, way out of here. Yeah, real. So we just love music like that, and I just want to make it where, I just want to make it where I feel bad when, I mean, I feel glad that I came up in the era where we made money.

But now it's just, you know, it's shady. It's 60,000 records going out there and it's not enough, it's just not enough money in that blanket license to pay everybody. Okay. Why didn't silly ho? Take off like I wanted justice for silly ho. No, I'm serious because it was, like, it should have had a video. It sounded so industrial. Yeah.

I felt like Rhythm Nation meets, like, Nine-inch nails. Yes. And all that shit. Yeah, Fanmail was one of my favorite albums I did because it was just the concept along. When Lisa first came in, she goes,

I got a concept. It's called Fanmail. And we can put all the artist's names on the back that sent us letters from the fire and all this. And I said, oh, yeah, that's brilliant. I can hear that already. I know what to do. And then she goes, yeah.

And then the rest of it's called Fan2C.com. And I said, what is that? Well, you know, we can be playing with ourselves and doing this and that. Oh, wow. What's interesting is. Only fans. She was the first only fans.

She always was ahead of her time. It was what only fans is. Now back then, of course, me and all the rest of the girls was like, are you crazy? Yes. You know, she's like, little Kim doing it and this person doing it. We got to be like. And so then because me and the girls were like, no, we can't come off of waterfalls. And you guys are having people play with yourself and give money.

And then she goes, okay, well, I quit. Oh, wow. That's what she quit. That's what she quit the second time. So she quit right at the beginning of fan mail. And so then I had to like, so all this. So I created virtual Vicky. I had to go to my computer

and take the voices, sample each word and make them rap. You know you can't get with this. One night, you just go in bust. Finding a whole two, give it up. Because you couldn't have no rhythm. So you had to put it on the keys

to make it have rhythm because she quit and we didn't have a rapper. So I said, fuck it, we create a rapper. And we created the virtual Vicky character, right? So in the beginning, she goes, welcome. We dedicated this album to everybody that sent us fan mail.

That's computer talking just like you. I get lonely too. That's computer. The silly whole rap. All the way up to the whole record. created the first AI rap. I'm a sucker. See, aren't you glad that I asked that question?

Yeah. Yeah. She wasn't, and so when we did Sillyho, we had the album done, but we didn't have no scrubs. And so I went over to Tricky and Shakespeare's because I had them working on, I had Shake and Tricky working on the JT Money stuff for me at the time. Like, who that? Oh, who that is. Right. So when I went to check on that, they played me no scrubs.

It was for Candy and Tiny. And I was like, oh, I was like, give me that song for TLC. I make it a single. Sillyho, it just rolled out as like a pre. Right. It was about to do all that. BB gangster. But I like, if you give me that song,

I put chili on the verses, which we haven't done before, and then this will be their single. They said, you guarantee it. I guarantee you, give me that song, we make it the single. And so,

because no shrub came in last like that. So wait, Tiny and, and, Lower Haffigate candy, not pissed at all. Did they understand the potential? Oh, no, no, they was happy.

Oh, no, no, they wrote it. That's what I'm saying. So they weren't pissed at all that they didn't have to sing. Oh, no, they wrote it. And then that took up, That's what made candy take off. Like after no scrubs, then Bugaboo and Destiny, all that stuff started coming with her in Shakespeare.

So that was like, you know. I remember that. Is Tron doing anything musically now? John's doing music. He's doing his own. How does he now? 25. Good God.

I'm sorry. I can't even imagine Tron. Tron is. Chilly son. Oh, oh. Yeah, he's making me old. Dog, we've been waiting for this. This is way beyond what we expect it.

Thank you. I don't think you're going to come with stories. Oh man, I'm walking stories all my life, bro. I've been blessed to work with so many people. The next movies will be just saying Dallas. I got a couple of them coming up now. Okay. Well, yo, from Sugar Steve and Laia and Fonsecala and Unpaid Bill,

the great Dallas Austin, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the music, man. It was awesome. And we will see you next time. Quest Love Supreme. Check it all later.

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