The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Eric Roberson Part 2

Episode Date: May 11, 2022

Part two of the Questlove Supreme solo session between Phonte and his friend and collaborator Eric Roberson. The Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter discusses balancing creativity with family and the making of one of his newest songs, "Lessons."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Quest Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. What's up? What's up y'all? This is Questlove. Welcome to another Questlove Supreme. As you know, we're doing these special episodes of which each team supreme member and abuse a person. They're passionate about. Strictus Steve sort of kicked it off with a two-part, incredible two-part conversation with one of his musical heroes, Elvis Costello, that we did at Electric Lady Studios. And Corresponde began his special solo session with singer-songwriter Eric Roberson. And these men are friends. They've made an album together. And it's an excellent. look into the lives of two artists. And if you haven't heard, part one, please check it out, because this is part two from Monta and Eric Ticka Laira, only on Quest Love Supreme. All right, y'all, enjoy it. What was the record for you that as an independent artist, you know,

because you have your moment, so you have some records that, like, would go all the way off, and then you have some to just be like, all right, this did cool? What was the record for you that, like, kind of was the one where you was like, okay, I think I got it, because I can tell you what it was for me as a fan, but I don't know what it was like for you on the business side. For me, it was left. And I ain't even saying that just because I was on it. But like left, I mean, I got Vaught 1.5.

That was the first record I ever bought of yours. I actually got that one before. I got esoteric. I was in Chicago. We was on a little brother. We was on a little brother to a stop. And we went to, it was that Virgin Megastore that used to be in Chicago. like that big virgin meg store

and I just saw you, I just saw your joint Eric Robeson and I knew you from the Jazzy Jeff album and so I was like, I was like, oh, he got an album's like, oh, I copped this and I bought that and I played you know, the first record, you know, is, you know, she couldn't hear me over the music and I was just like, oh my God

and like I ran that whole record, that record got me through that tour, you know what I'm saying? And so that was the first one And then when I saw that one and I saw it was produced by Red Head Kingpin, I was like, What? Like, how did that come about?

Munster. Right, so, Rayhead, one of the most talented producers, visionaries I've ever even been in a room with, right? And I'm honored that he even allowed me to do that song with him. But I would tell you couldn't hear me over the music was probably the song that probably, like, changed everything.

And then from there, it was able to grow, right? So, you know, here everyone's like, Eric, that's Eric Robeson, the songwriter. And truth be told, even before that, like, when I was doing songs, off of esoteric and off of, like, when I was doing the vault album, a lot of the times playing, when I played the songs, when people heard the songs, they were like, can we buy them? So that was, so the left, the vault was a heavy, draw the line in the sand, I'm not selling these songs. Like, it was like, you know, and, um, and truth be told, no.

volume 1.5. Why is it that? Because volume one had hold on, which eventually went to Dwele. Went to Duolet. Yeah, I wanted to ask you too. Yeah. Like, so that, because I love that fucking song.

Dwayne Baciani, the producer. What's the deal with him? Like, how did you guys know each other? With the college gather, man. We met. Okay. I was walking into the Drew Hall at Howard University, freshman year with a keyboard under my arm.

He was like, yo, you do music? And I was like, yeah, I do too. And he came to my room. and I think he was my room fresh feet. Like it was just like, I had this little small room by the size of this chair

I'm sitting in and it's like everybody saw me walk into that that dorm room with a keyboard and like some little minuscule equipment and it was like oh what's on

and popping in this room like you did my room was never empty people would just work on music and guess what it's an honor that there's still a lot of Duane Bassiani's on my new album

that we just put out and you know with Jemain Mobbley and you know so many, so many brother Tracy Lee, so many cats I met when I got there and just started bonding with that we still do do music, you know, to this day. But yeah, that was, that was just right with homies. But the first album eventually had to be changed because, yeah, I was heavy into songwriter,

Carl Thomas. I wrote, rebound was on. Rebound. It was on the second. So it was like, okay, let's change this up. 1.5. And then from this point on, like this is all mine.

This is it now. I'm not selling anything. You're not going to hear. No problems. No whatever, whatever. I think volume one had one time with Jill Scott on it and stuff like that.

So it was boom. But then was previous cast? Was that on the vault? No. No, previous cast was, I had never released it. Previous cats I had just played for,

I had wrote it in college with Jermaine Motley, but I had played it for music. just a demo of it. And interesting enough, before he ever had a record deal, he was like, I went there for my second album. I was like, like, what? You didn't even sign on your first album yet. Like, he gets signed.

It was like, yo, man, that's my second album. All right, cool, man. Shoot your shot. He puts an album out. Of course, he comes music, soul child. And then, and then sure enough, he called me like, hey, yo, I'm starting my second album. You still got that previous cast song?

I was like, yo, you different, man. You're different. I was like, yeah, we recorded. But I don't know why I never put that song, because me and Jermaine Mobley worked on a lot of records. He's on that, he's on that Vault album. But for some reason, I think, you know what, real talk,

by the time I'm starting to release the records, and I think that's just the songwriter in me. Like once music said, I like that song, even if I wanted on my second album, I was like, this is for music now. I probably never even considered it for myself, which is probably why it was not on the Vault record. No, it's funny you say that I'm the exact same way.

Like for me, if someone is speaking for it, like our mentality in our camp is that there's always another song. So if someone, if we write something and they're like, yo, I want it. It's like, all right, cool, it's yours. And we'll just sit it. It's whenever you're ready for it, because we can always make something else. So the vault 1.5, that was, you know, you say that was the one that was kind of, you know, that was kind of line in the sand. And then left for me, that was the moment. when I saw because, you know, I was, I mean, I was just a fan.

So when you hit me that night, when you came to Jersey, we went to your crib, I was just like, all right, I'm just kicking it one of the homies. Like, I was not aware. I mean, I knew your catalog. I knew like, you're writing and stuff. But, you know, I'm just like, man, I'm just kicking it. This is this big bro. I'm just kicking it.

Yeah. But when Lev came out and when I saw the response that like Ben and Love got and I saw, it was people hit me like, yo, I heard you on Arrow, Eric Robeson album. And I was like, oh, like, this dude, like, like, oh, wow. Like, he got people, like, really out here. You know what I'm saying? That was just, that was from my experience.

That was, you know, from my vantage point, when that record came out, I just saw, you know, just the people that were hitting me. I mean, it was, it really put a lot of eyes on me that I did not expect at all. Well, probably vice versa. I think, you know, our relationship, just in general, every time we did a song, I think it, oh, it definitely boosted me. And if it, if it boosted you, that would be great. I did.

It did. You know, I think left, everything was a growing lesson. You know, right after that, we did music fan first, and that's when we started getting nominated for Grammys and stuff like that. So we, and listen, we have to note, because all our listeners, Ero and I have the honor of losing the same Grammy to Indiari. Right. Thank you, India.

Thank you for submitting your song and beating out being in a podcast. She's in both biases to the crib. Right, right. And so, so, you know, it was just different, everything was just different levels. It was like, it was constantly growing. It was just like, you know, for me, and I'll be honest with you, I mean, I probably kept my head down and just worked so much.

I probably didn't spend much time, like, acknowledging the groundwork that was being laid and, like, how much things were moving, you know? I just remember being a struggling artist, and then one day not struggling. One day, like, you know. Man, listen. I remember us having that conversation during Tigilero

where it's just like, listen, man, I'm finally at a point in my life where I'm making the music, I want to make and I'm not fucking broke. Yeah. Because like that's, I mean, that's it, you know? Whatever you get on top of that is gravy, you know what I mean? But I remember, I certainly remember those conversations. When you did, it was music fan first, the box album, I want to specifically ask you

about that one. You did a record, which is like in still like one of my top five arrow records. It might be top three. I don't know. But your record. with the just imagine with king. Oh my God. I was so mad when I heard that.

I was like, oh my God. Please talk about Paris and Amber. Man, I just love them to death. And, you know, we've all been longtime supporters of them. Yeah. We know, I want to make sure I say it on this platform too because it's very important. It's something I've been talking about, especially with my students.

So, you know, I teach at Berkeley College of Music in Boston. And one of the things I learned when I got there, was like how many female musicians or female artists have been talked out of their greatness, out of ignorance of men, out of ignorance to just surroundings of just like the fact that like that we should be shocked that a female could make a dope beat, right?

Like how insult it. You made that beat? Like, yo, you're a female, you made a beat like that. It's almost kind of like, you know, the ignorant statements that we could... Like he speaks so well or some shit. Christ, you speak so well as a black person. Like, what do you mean by that?

You know, so, so, so like I'm, I'm really dedicated to try to change that character, that, the situation. But let's say, even before I learned of the ignorance, I was always one, if you dope, you dope, right? Period. And male, female. So if you look at the history of my work, whether who's been on stage of me, who I've done songs with, whatever, whatever. If you dope, you dope, whether you're a female male, whatever, right? I was in L.A. Just, my

my wife had got tickets with her girlfriend to go see Oprah's last show or whatever. She was in L.A. And they got tickets at L.A. So we had just had my first son. I'm in L.A. We had some Mexican restaurant. I'm really there just babysitting. I got my kid and my wife

and this young lady walked. Something goes, can I take a picture? You know, I'm a big fan of your music. I'm like, no problem. Yeah, sure. So we take a picture. And then while we're taking the picture, she says, you know, I just did an album with my sister and a good friend of mine and I produced it and mixed it. And I was like, I was like, oh, word, okay, cool. I said, can I buy it from you right now? She's not, no, no, no, I'm going to buy it from you. And she gave me something. I gave her a $20 bill. And she gave me it. And then I noticed it was only three songs. And I said, damn, I just paid $20 for three songs, right? I was like, it's all good. It's all love. Right. That's some track source prices. Right. But I was like, cool. But just in Just Basic, I was like, I was like, all right, what's your name? It said? She said, name was Paris. And I was like, all right, cool. And group's named King. I was like, all right, cool, this is great.

Yo, listen, my information this is that just, just sowing into it. Like, yo, this seems dope. Like the other album cover, whatever. We get in the car and the first song has this like drumbeat intro. And I remember this went, whatever did. And I paused it. Exactly. When that part even came in, I stopped it. My wife. I would tell you, I looked at it. I said, this is about to be incredible. Just off the drum intro, I stopped it. I was like, get ready, because I just realized this is something different here. I said, this is about to be incredible. So we pressed play, and I mean, I could not stop listening to this music for like, it was just the soundtrack for whatever. So I call her back like,

oh my God, who are, this is incredible. And then I remember Prince calls and Eric about due calls. And I remember like this hearing her going, oh my God, we get these calls. And then boom, now we all know King as King. And it's an honor that I called her and was like, yo, I want you to produce a song on my album. Like I want you to produce. Not because you have dope female or not whatever, whatever.

You know, because you dope, period. Period. And, um, and I want y'all on it. Like I want, I want y'all on it. And I think the world knows King clearly now. But I was honored to be like, yo, everybody, this is king. Like, you know, like, you know,

I want y'all to shine some light on this and I want to write a check to this young lady who's wearing this hat as a producer on my record. Like, you know, I was like, let's let's redo it. And it came out as a killer song, just imagine. As well as I keep it really 100, it's one of the rare songs on one of my albums that I did not write.

If not the very first one. Like, like, she wrote it. She produced it. It was like, no. Like, like, and I, it's like, it's like, it wasn't a statement. It's just, you know, it's dope. It's like, listen, I don't need to write it. It's fired and tracked fire.

I was like, this is, I want this. You know what I mean? So, uh, and, and it does. I mean, she's still like, still, like, still one of my favorite producers. Oh, man. Yeah. I, man, I love them to death. Like, I was so happy to see them, like, you know, playing with, with cold play.

It was just like, what the fuck. Are you kidding me? Like, I mean, so. So happy for them, man. Big ups, the king. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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Trust me, babe. On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East-West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits, teams look for, to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss

this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. I wanted to talk to you about, go back to Picture Perfect, because I will never forget

at that time, it was kind of going back to the, you know, with the label things happening. That record was about to be out of here. And then what happened? So we, we got distributed through E1

and that's when Shadow was there. So Shadow was like the main radio and the main reason I think you know, we're going from music fan first to like, all right, what, how do we follow up? Like these Grammy nominations that we lose in the India.

The second one, I lost the Cilo. Shout out the Celo. And it was like, well, why don't we do this situation? And that point, you know, you did the record with Anthony David and Algebra, that joint went crazy number one. Yeah, we did the Forevermore record, yeah. Forevermore. And it was like, it seemed like a good

spot and then it's just once again my whole thing is like just stay on your path man like just stay on your path keep doing and then so here we go doing this thing because it seems like with this shadow and radio and so like that shadow leaves and it just like there was no momentum there's no momentum but mind you even with that picture perfect was a huge record for me it was a it was a it was a really impactful moment to me but it was also a moment where I was like it really anchored us into like we really don't need these other companies. Like we probably would have made, Brough,

would have probably arguably been bigger if we just did everything ourselves. Completely 100% ourselves. Like, you know, we got, we're coming off this thing. And so it was the only time where I technically had muscle, if you want to call that muscle. And it was like,

we actually did less than what I think my, my actual team would have done if we, if we controlled the whole thing. You know what I'm saying? But it was like I said, it was still a, I can't get off stage without singing the song. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

No, you ain't making it out of the building, you know what I'm saying? That it's not happening. But yet, when you look at like the, I'm before that, which we put everything together for it, you know, we can't get off stage without singing dealing. We can't get our stage singing. You know, certain things. So it was one of those things where it was like, yo, you doing all right. Like, stay on your, stay on your path, you know.

And you said something not too long ago. on, I think you just don't, you was talking on IG, and I think you were like, it never goes wrong. Like when, when it's like, when it's just me doing it.

Like when we, oh yeah, on yourself. And it was like, it was just anchoring in. It was like, man, you know, I'm fine.

Like, mind you, I always tell everybody, completion is the most important word in music business. It's like, it's, it's the difference between who wins

and who loses. is, yo, my company at now, we are celebrating 21 years now, right? Talk that shit, bro. Yes. Yes. And we're not celebrating it because we successfully did everything right. We completed everything we tried. Yeah.

And the thing, and let's be clear about something, 21 years, so I want to make this, you know, this specification, 21 years as independent R&B artists. Like, people have no idea, you know, like when, when Dame Dash, you know, when he was like years, you know, decades ago, when he was like, you know, selling rap is like selling crack, but like selling R&B is like selling Coke. It just requires a different, you know, when he was talking about, you know,

the Christian album and why it didn't really go on Rockefeller. And, you know, and I, listen, I've never sold drugs a day of my life, but I understood what he was saying when I got into the business because I can be, you know, hip-hop, like, I'm sitting right here in my hoodie and, like, sweatpants. I can take a selfie right now and be like, this is the cover of my new album.

And as long as I'm spitting on it, like no one will care. But R&B, you do not have that liberty. Like the look got to be right. Like R&B is a money game, bro. And to do it for 21 years, I mean,

that really is a testament. And I want you speak to just the challenges of that. Just so some of our listeners and some, because we have a lot of artists that listen to the show and kind of tap in just for, you know, for different games.

So just talk to them about your, you know, how you're able to make it work without having that, you know, 100,000 or whatever to spend on a video or just to be frivolous, you know, how do you make that work? I think the difference really comes down to is the first thing that separates it in R&B was quality. So the first obstacle we had to show was like, yo, this is of the same quality, right? So immediately think hip-hop independently or major is the same, it wasn't looked at, you know, if you could spit, it, the beast, five. It's cool. We accept it. With R&B and soul music, if it wasn't a major, you for some reason looked at it. Like, this is less.

This is not, not the effort was put in. You were like, no, no. Because you could tell. Yeah, you could tell. Like, you could always see that artist where like, okay, they have a major album. And it's like, okay, this is the major album. But then they get off the major and they put out something they sell. And like the cover looked like fucking clip art.

You know what I'm saying? It's just, it's just the presentation that's just all. all the way is not up the par. I think one thing that I've been very fortunate also, and I've got to say that, is that, you know, we got Drey and Vidal on records when they're working on Usher and Music and Jill, and they're working on my record.

We got Rich Harrison when he's working on Beyonce, but yeah, he's work on my record. You know what I mean? As well as mixed with my brother B. Jazz and, you know, just Aaron Hardin from my band, this different people. Once again, if you're dope, you're dope. Whether you're a super producer Grammy Award, whatever,

or you just a homie I met in the house band in Florida. If you're dope, you're dope. I have no problem with working with whoever, right? But yet at the same time, it has to move. Like that whole thing chasing goosebumps means everything. Like, for me, that's the only rule in the studio. Does it give you goosebumps? But that same thing with the album cover,

the album cover got to make you go, oh my god that's crazy i wish i thought of that or you know that's crazy you know so the first speaking of album covers i just before i just before we cannot forget um man we lost uh a mutual friend uh in the past year in uh fave you know what i'm saying yeah fave is uh the brother he did the mr nice guy album cover he um podcaster singer producer fave had a hot sauce like Fave. I mean, y'all can't think I'm a renaissance man. Fave was a renaissance man.

He had a bowtie company. The boat company. No, dude was a, it's crazy because, you know, and it was tough. That was tough losing Fave and we miss him truly. But he's been a graphic designer for me. And it's crazy because, like, he did the, Mr. Nice Scott album cover. He designed multiple T-shirts. I put out a Christmas card every year, like a growing Christmas card, an animated Christmas car.

And he would do like that. Yeah. Right. pug named Fender yeah and then um but then he also produced a music for me he's uh shot photography for

I mean he's he's worn so many hats he's been a part of of my team and just as well as the entire movement he's worn so many hats of like like said whether it was the sauce he was cooking with with a bow tie company you know and and even that it was like when he made the bow tauties

like that was deep Dimo's Lane. Dimo was the bowtie guy. So out of respect, it was like, yo, I'm going to pass that off the DVD. You rock with that. But the bowtiles was killing. Like, so he's worn so many, so many hats. And, you know, this is, this was tough. Like, you know, I lost a lot of good friends in, in, during the pandemic that were very intricate to like what, what we do.

And Fave was one of the people, man, we're like, you know, this Christmas was, this last Christmas was tough. Because guess what? He would have been making this Christmas card. They've been doing the car. And then as we're going into the album and figuring out how we're going to make the new t-shirts of the graphic, he's the first call, you know. And in a big up, you know, I will say this. I make sure I say it because Jarrell was our point person between that. Like, Jarrell was always the one who was sitting with Faves and make sure my wife would be happy with how she was drawn or whatever this and that.

Right, right. And he really, you know, he really lost a partner in that way. But Fave was a solid dude, man. And we try to honor him. Beautiful, brother, man. beautiful guy like that was my man but he was one but he was one of the people who you know you're up two o'clock three o'clock in the morning making slight changes so that when people see it they see the effort they see the quality and I think at the end of day it just comes down to that like

I want you to put my album next to whoever's album DeAngelo usher um whoever favorite faith whatever I want you put it as the best album that year and whether it's better or not I'm not here to say it's better, I'm here to say it's going to be the same quality. Guess what we. It's going to be seamless. With the same mics, we shot it with the same type photographers. We are investing in, in our, and it doesn't have to be that it's a $500,000 budget, you know. Guess what? We all are operating on million dollar budgets. Whether we got a million dollars or not. We all putting our best foot forward. Tigallero, we put in our best foot forward. You know, we're riding, we challenge each other. And that was so even Tigallero, even that,

was like the way the cover art and everything, it was just, I mean, that was because at the time, you were, I think you were on tour or, you know, where you had, you know, your kids and then I was on tour. So we never had a real photo shoot for that album. We never had a photo shoot. No, but let's find a dope picture.

Let's figure a dope way to put it together that could tell a story. And to this day, I mean, it's, it's one of the, it's so, it's like a minimalist, simplistic out, but it's so symbolic. And you ran point more on that one, real talk, but we are from the same place. Like, these,

these album covers tell a story and there's a reason why this picture is this way or whatever. Yeah, that was the thing because I saw the joke, we had the picture and I was like, all right, well, my whole thought was,

I'm like, okay, we got these pictures of us live and they did a mock-up of us, like, singing, you know, there was some pictures from our Chicago show

at the shrine, rest in peace. You know what I mean? We did the shows at the shrine. And we, brother, it took him. I cannot remember his name.

Please forgive me. But I got some from him and he had him and I was like all right this is dope and we did a couple mockups with my man my man Chris Charles and so but when I showed it to everyone's

independent soul A&R butter and soul bounce. Right. Shout out to the buttress and red velvet Susan but I sent her a mock up of it and she was like yo this is dope but it looks like a live album and I was like oh no like that

so that's when I got the idea I was like okay, if I drop it down where it's just our faces like covering over, it'll look like the King of Rock cover. You know what I'm saying? The one DMC. And then if we put the titles on the front with the barcode, that's a call back to Urban Haines Suite. So it's like the double. It's like that to me was what Tigilar represents. I'm like, we are two hip hop dudes, like without a doubt, but, you know, also it's so.

And that shit worked. But think of it, like said, we're taking Run DMC and Maxwell and put it together, that is Tigolaro. You know what I'm saying? So it was like it was all planned and all well thought out, but that's the talk about. Like, it ain't just, no, we ain't just throwing this together. It's putting some effort, time, and like a science behind it. And it makes, it makes sense. And every album cover I've seen you do, every song I've seen you do, it's the same effort.

And I feel like the same thing we do. Same for you, man. No, you be kicking my ass. I'd be like, damn, Arrow got another album out. Shit, I got to do something. I'm like, man, you got, you did, you came to hear from here. I was like, damn, we, we ain't been in the house

for two months. This is a nigga got an album already. I'm like, damn. Yeah, that's because I was scared. It was like, when show's getting canceled, I'm not going back to teaching. I'm like, what is happening? I was like, give me that pin real quick.

You know, for me, whenever I feel, I mean, and I mean that, like, music for me is like my aspirin or whatever like when I when Fave passed when Paris Bowens passed when Chadwick yes when any of that stuff the first thing I did was I turned the equipment on you know not like oh it's just that's when the pandemic started I turned the equipment on it's like for me my whole view on creativity my whole view on art my whole view on all of it is different and I have an album called Music Fan First, and it means I'm the fan of it first.

First thing, it's the soundtrack to my life. It's what brings me peace and what brings me ease. So on my worst day, I'm picking a pinup. On the worst day, I'm picking a guitar. Worst day, on my best day, I'm doing it as well. So, yeah, it's not like, I'm like, I'm racing. I'm making the first pandemic album. It's like, no, I'm going to beat everybody to the punch.

It was just more like, so what's happening? You know, who's sick? Oh, my God. God, let me just write. And I just started recording. Like, you know what I mean? I didn't know any, but it's crazy. I've done two albums during the pandemic, but, but I just couldn't start writing.

You know what I mean? I wanted to talk to you when you speak on as well, man. You, you know, I met through you, you know, kind of, you know, through you. Anakin and Vader, man. These brothers are just amazing. Shout out to them. Like those my guys, man. Amazing brothers.

man. Man, you brought them on to executive produce your new album Lessons, which is, you know,

again, just great record, man. Like, just I can't, you know, top to the bottom, just always consistent.

How did you link up with them and what was the decision to make lessons kind of the first single? So meeting them goes back a while, and this is a lesson for people just to shoot your shot, right?

So, you know, now I got three kids. And usually when I do a show now, I'm catching the first thing smoking to get back home. Right. So a lot of times you'll find me at the airport, 5 o'clock in the morning, you know, right after the show, that dog tired walking through like a zombie. And I was at an airport and I was just trying to stay awake. I remember I was just like trying not to fall asleep. So I was like just scrolling through Instagram.

Whatever I could do to keep myself occupied. And I saw somebody attack. me on something. And the name was Anakin and Vader. And I was like, Anakin, did y'all name yourselves at the Star Wars villains? That's the first thing caught my attention. Like, like, as in Darvader?

It's an Anakin. Anakin Skywalker, yeah. I was like, that's interesting. So click. I clicked it because it caught my attention. And it was, sure enough, it was like Skywalker fighting Darvader with like a hip-hop beat under it.

And I was like, Oh, that's dope. Okay. Next one. And then it was like Princess Leia like kissing Han Solo. And I was like, you kind of got that off. I said, that's what you're doing?

And then probably like 10, like I went through their page. I'll probably spend like 10 minutes on that page. And then I hit them back. I said, yo, you got my attention. What's up? And then like before the plane could take off, I remember like within 10 minutes, like it was like, as if they could see that I was looking at their page or whatever.

I don't know, but as soon as I said, you got my attention, what's up? A drop box link hit, cling. It came right back. They stay ready. Like, Jared, bro, he would hit me. Like, man, I won't overwhelm you. Like, he would send you a photo with like a hundred joints in it. And it's just like, bro.

Like, those dudes are animals, man. Love those dudes. And I really, I was like, wait, did you guys send me a Dropbox link? And then before the plane could take off, I'd like open the Dropbox link, downloaded it. And I had like five songs written before the plane landed. Like, who are y'all? And it's been a great friendship, great partnership since then.

We've been working nonstop. And they sent me the lessons track, which got to think at that point, it's not on my radar to make another album. I just did hear from here. I'm not even like, okay, I'm kind of good. And we're kind of still in the whole pandemic. But I knew the record was like,

this is a special track. This one is killing. and immediately I'm like, you can I have it? Like me write a check for or whatever. Like what's up with this track?

And he was like, yo, my bad, I did send it out just in all transparency. I sent it out to like another artist first. Can we like just wait and see what they say first? Since I just sent it them first. I didn't respect. I'm like, no problem.

That's no, listen, no problem. And then about three days later, they said, we haven't heard back from them. So if you still want it, shoot your shot. Most definitely still want it. and I'm going down in studio right now. Like I'm going down and recorded.

To remove all doubt. Yeah, we all doubt. And what happened was, what was interesting though was when I went down there, now it's like 2 o'clock in the morning of my anniversary. Right. And I think if I wrote the track, if I wrote to the track the first day,

they gave it to me. I would wrote a different song. But I think when I went down there, you know, it's my anniversary. Okay. It was still in this pandemic. It's crazy.

You know, lost a few friends. friends and y'all, me and more kids, everybody, healthy parents. You know, just started thinking just that while I'm just loading everything up. It was like, I was just kind of thinking. And you know, for me, I'm one who wants to figure out our, who do I want to be in a song and try to define that person as much as possible and then just hit record. That's how, like, if I, if I cut out all the things, I don't have to say, there's only

things left is this. And then just make it rhyme. And that's going to be your song. And that was it. And it just happened. I, like, I had a camera set up for something I think I did the day before. in the room. And I was like, let's turn this on.

And let's record. God has a funny way of showing. And it was like, after that, it was like, and it was really like, let's transfer this to my phone, post it, go to bed. And just go to bed. I wasn't even like thinking nothing of it. Woke up at all.

And woke up to like just, what is going? What are you doing? What is this? This is great. You know, and it was like, oh, okay, let's, we might want to finish this we might want to finish this one up I want to get this one done

and I probably went I probably went honestly and I probably never said this before I probably went to bed kind of hesitant to post it because I was like I didn't look at the beauty of like how transparent it was and how many people could relate to it

I almost was worried a little bit that it was kind of like a jab at like all the ex-girlfriends which I didn't want it to be everyone who let me down let me to you but it's true I mean guess what every failed record deal

Everything that happened in my life had to have happened for me to have the kids I have. You know what? It wasn't really like a, you know, guess what I had to do that for you for you to be where you had too? And so, but I kind of, I think that was my last thought of the night was kind of like, maybe tomorrow I'll change that line because that was a little, a little heavy, you know, but then it was like, when I woke up the next day and I was like, this is my song. Oh, my song. And I was like, yeah, we're not changing that line.

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And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Ben, we was laughing about this the other day on the phone with Jared from Edigan Evader. He described us. He was like, yeah, working with y'all, man. He was like, Arrow, he's a show pony, but you're a racehorse. I was like, dude, that is so fucking, I'm like, that's our dynamic. Yeah, that's our.

dynamic that is how that like arrow like he's going to show up he's going to be dressed to the fucking nines like he's going to have the hat like you know just you know and that was the thing i will say i you know just i picked up from you just kind of you know going out on tour and just watching you know everywhere you go you always look like eric robeson you know what i'm saying you are always like dressed to the nines is always if if we at damn chick filet you know i'm saying a show can break out i'm gonna be ready to give a show and um you know and that was just something that was always you. With me, I'm just like, look, I'm showing up the day of the race.

Show me who ass, I'm beating. I'm running my race. I'm beating y'all niggas. And I'm going home. I'm not standing after for autographs. I don't want to talk about the race. Like, I don't want to pull. I did my job.

You know what I'm talking about that? Our shows, you actually right, I got a hat on a suit, a blazer, a lease or something like that. And you have on a black hoodie. And it worked. It worked. It wasn't like, well, why he got a suit on? He got a hoodie. it actually no when you see the pictures it works

but it's like that that might be the next album is like the show pony in the race for it that's all I do take offense I got to be a daggone pony you know what I mean I mean hey I'm going to be a thoroughbred some of shit because I put some respect on my name but I think it's your show pony if that's what I need to be I'll be it

but but once again you're talking about two you know three because the Anakin and Vader is actually a three-man production group. Absolutely. Solid brothers, man. Solid, solid brothers. Life-changing, man. Once again, you know, we can go on here and talk about so many amazing people we talk about.

We're going to miss so many names. And I apologize because I work with so many great people. But definitely, you know, meeting those guys, it has definitely made me better. You know what I mean? Definitely made me better. Likewise. And it really dope. Yeah.

Lastly, man, I wanted to just touch on it because this is something. that me and you, we talk about, you know, from time to time, but just like, you know, just for our listeners. Just, man, I just wanted to talk about just, you know, how you balance, just like, I mean, you have three boys, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I have two boys. My boys, I mean, they're, you know, older now. My boys are 21 and 16, so, you know, they. But you have, like, you know, young kids.

And I just wanted to, you know, talk to you about, like, how do you know, balance, you know, being in business for yourself and, you know, being a husband. being a father and not just being a husband and father and just, I just pay for shit and, you know, go to the basement. But, you know, actually being present, you know, in, you know, being present for your family in that way. How do you manage that? You know, first, you know, it's funny.

My whole theory on balance is different, right? Like, the fact there's like, I don't, there is no balance, right? Right? It's like, how do you balance it, right? For me, we talk. about the board process, right? So I practice this thing called process over product. Like everything is connected to the process.

This very conversation we have right now, I can't worry about how many listeners will have or how in tune will people be or was it a great interview or whatever. I can just be that, yo, I'm talking to my brother and how connected can I be in this conversation. Same way as songwriting, you know, it's probably strengthened through songwriters, strengthening through music.

Every time I sit down and write a song, I can't think about the last song. I can't think about the successes or the failures. I can only think about what I'm doing. You know, bro, it's so crazy you say that. That's the same thing. Like, I take that. It was like, my football coach in high school, he was like, you know, look, you got to have a bad memory.

You talk about quarterbacks. He was like, quarterback, you got to have a bad memory to be a quarterback. You know what I'm saying? If you can't think about, if you fumbled on second down, hey, look, bro, that shit over with. You know, you got another down. But you also can't think about the touchdown. You can't think about it. You can't think about these of it.

You've got to think about the play you're doing and just put all the confidence that it will work out, whether it will or will not, that's product, right? Because that's the only play you got. This very second right now, this minute we talk about now, this is the only minute. The next minute ain't guaranteed in any form of fashion. So why not just trust this minute that we in right now, right? Like enjoy the 60 seconds. So for me now, process over product transfers to different things that how do I practice

process or product with my marriage? How do I practice processing product over product as a parent, with my friendships or whatever? So guess what? I mean, really, without our tour schedule, what I teaching schedule, without our studio schedule, with all our stuff like that, I mean, I respectfully can say that there's not enough time to be the best friend to every friend I have to really be the best father, to be the best husband. I'm going to try my best to be that. What it is is really how connected can I be with you in the time that we have, right? So if I only have an hour in the studio, can I get lost in the studio for 59 minutes? I can't walk in the studio going, damn, money got an hour.

Wow. I have no, I'm going to kill this hour I got in here. And the same thing was I go upstairs and I know I'm leaving on Friday, but you know, I can play with the kids all day to day. Let's just get lost. Like how much can I? I can't worry if you're going to be a doctor or this and that, this and that. It was crazy.

Literally from this podcast, just before I came here to do this podcast, my kids are on spring break. And I was like, man, today is busy, right? And then Wednesday's busy. And I looked at the schedule. So yesterday, like, I was just telling my wife, I said, I'm just taking the kids. We're going to poke those. So I just grabbed them through me the car. And we just bawled out for like 24 hours.

Just went to a water park and just kids stayed up to like 4 o'clock in the morning, got up, got went back into the water, literally got out the water, put clothes on and drove back here just to get on this microphone and talk, talk with you. And it's like, yo, guess what? We only had 24 hours. But guess what? We just going to ball out for 24 hours. And that's balance is how much can you be in tune with what time you have, right? Yeah. No, I, I, I, I've completely related to that.

I kind of look at it like, you know, to your point, when people think of balance, they think of just like, oh, I have the exact amount of time to do this and the exact amount of time. To me, in my career, balance has always kind of been more so an oscillation between two extremes, right? So, like when I'm locked in the studio, like, when we was tickler. It's like, okay, I'm locked in. I just have to... The word that just comes to my mind always is just surrender. Like, I just have to just surrender.

It's like, bro, this is not going to make no sense. I'm about to be up for like, you know, 36 hours. I'm about to, like, my sleep schedule is about to be shit. I'm about to eat like shit for like a month. Like, you just know, it's just like there's no... Like, if you try to make sense to this shit, you're lost. So you just got to give in.

But then once the record is done and once the work is done, Now for the next, you know, month for the next two months, I'm just playing PS5. And that's it. You know what I mean? Exactly. So you kind of have those, you know, those kind of two extremes. And that has been the closest I've been able, you know, to get to balance, you know,

that makes, you know, the most sense for my life. But I've always been curious as to how you manage it with all the things you have going on. What I'll tell you is that music, and I say art in general, is the most selfish thing I've ever seen in my life. music wants everything out of you. It wants to pull them. Everything. It wants all your time in a moment that like...

And it will test you in every way. Oh, my God. You already know. Guess what? The biggest show offer you're going to have every year is your kids on kids' birthday. The biggest, you know, a promoter's going to call you with that bag of bags. It's going to be on your kid's birthday. On your anniversary is some shit.

Right, right, right. You know, it's like, you know, our wives already accept Valentine's. they go get that money go get that right right right right but like why does the show always have to land on their birthday right yeah or or christmas eve new year's like any of the yeah it's like but that's the test are you going to take it are you going to take the show or you know what I mean and it's like but that's that's this that's this craft and it and like as soon as I'm supposed to turn the equipment off and go upstairs and kind of check in here the next idea pops in your head you're like oh my god that's a crazy idea and then you turn the equipment so it's like it is the most but

you know because it's elusive like i think like when you you know when you say like because i bro i feel you like when you bought to go to bed and you know quincey jones is like we he talked we had him on the show like years ago and he was talking about just kind of that alpha state you know he he calls the alpha state when your mind is just you know it's three four in the morning and you're not thinking you're just doing you're just existing and so it's like you know that four in the morning where you have that time and it's like man i really know i know i know i got to get up and be in the carpool line in three hours, but if I go to sleep,

I could lose this moment and I'll never be able to recapture it. You know what I'm saying? And it's just, it's that elusive thing that you're chasing. And so when you catch it, it's just like, yeah, it's like catching a fucking shooting star.

You're like, man, I just got to hold on to this. You know what I mean? And keep some of this magic for myself. So I'm going to tell you what's interesting. This is what I, like I said,

my whole view on creativity is different now. And I'm, I'm one now where I can, I can turn the equipment off in that moment, right? And it's more because I'm at the realization now, and I feel like truth be told, and I say this, before I say the statement, I feel like my pen is stronger than ever right now, right?

I feel like that. Just my connection, whatever. But creativity is often some, we treat it like a best friend we don't deserve, right? So in a moment where we should turn the equipment off and go upstairs, It's like when it shows up, we're like, oh my God, you showed up, the hell of my wife. Hell of my kid.

Right, right, right. Come, come on in. Come on in. Have a seat. Have a seat. What you got to tell me? What do you got to tell me? You know, and that's how I was like, I was probably that way for like the 75% of my life.

Like, I would, I would leave the Christmas table. I would leave the middle of making love. Wow. Wow. The idea pops in like, you know, softest lips. I can say down. Like softest lips happened. Like the idea of the song happened while kissing.

I stopped. Wow. I remember, like, I stopped doing what I was doing to write the song, you know. I've never been that devoted, Eric Rosen. No, come, you have been devoted. I've watched you be that devoted, you know? But what happens is like, yo, but we have to realize that creativity needs us just like it needs, we need it. And like Quincy Jones was so worried, or what was it, was it Michael Jackson?

Prince said he couldn't leave the creativity alone because he was worried they would go visit Michael Jackson, right? Right. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. But I'm satisfied with now telling creativity, I'm busy right now. Can you come back? That sounds crazy.

It sounds crazy. But it's almost the same thing of like if you call. It's confidence. It sounds like confidence. But it's not just confidence. It's trust, right? So it's like, I give you the analogy of this. If you call me and I was like, let's say I'm in the middle of just like a super game with

my kids right now. And you call me. He's like, yo, I need to rap with you a minute. I was like, yo, all right, hold up. give me two seconds. I'm in this crazy battle with my kids and this now. We're having fun, whatever, whatever. Or we're in the pool.

Let's say we're in the pool. Matter of fact, give me a couple hours. I'm going to call you back. You know what I mean? You're like, cool, cool. And then we're in the pool or whatever, whatever. And I call you back three hours later. And I'm like, yo, so what's up?

And you're like, man, I can't even mean what I was what I was calling you about, right? But I was like, oh, that's cool. What's you up to? Now, first of all, just knowing you and we've friends and we have talked, we've chopped it up. We've had deep, deep conversations. Because of who we are for each other, that next conversation might not be what you initially called me about. 100%.

It's still going to be great. See, the problem is we go into it, like the quarterback's still thinking about the last touchdown and the last interception. So I'm so worried about like, can you remember what you was going to tell me? I can't lose it. I can't lose it. That we're not being natural. We're not treating creativity like it really.

It just wants to be invited. It just want to kick it. You know what I mean? So it's like allow creativity to show up and be what it's going to be. And guess what? Sometimes it's going to, we already know, listen, sometimes it's going to be great. Sometimes it's not. How many times have we written a song and thought this is the one?

I'm buying my Bentley. I'm paying off the house. By my mama house. And it's straight crickets, right? Off the most fire thing you thought you ever did. And it's straight crickets. And then here's this one little thing. And then the one little thing you did on your phone, you put up on IG and wake up

the next morning and that she was out of it. You thought nothing of it. And now that you, this is the joint, that now you got to tour for two years. You can't never get off stage, but I'll sing. You know what I'm saying? So why are we prejudging creativity?

At the end day, when it shows up and you have time for it, then treat it, treat it like it's supposed to be. And if you don't, then put the time in other areas. And going back to even the balance thing, my wife has to feel seen sometimes.

More than music. She has to feel like I chose music over her sometimes. My kids as well. My kids have literally been raised watching me in the studio. And sometimes they have to see me turn their equipment off for them. You know what I mean? They have to see that. So you have to be there.

And I have to trust that, like, I feel like my music's gotten better. The more I've been like, nah, let me live. Oh, man, because if you don't live, you ain't going to have shit to write about. Like, what am I going to sing about? Yeah. And it was, you know, and for me, it was, you know, with your boys, you know, your boys are really young. You know what I'm saying? And for me, you know, my boy, I had, you know, kids like super young.

And so it kind of worked out in a good way because when I was, when they were young and, you know, they, you know, they really just wanted to be around their mama all the time. So I was touring and stuff, you know, I mean, I was out really getting it. But then by the time they got the teenage years, that was when, you know, I kind of transitioned into F.E. Like, we started our label. So I could actually be around for those years with like, they really just like, okay, no, we need dad. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it kind of worked out for me in that way. And I was thankful to have that.

But, but nah, man, that is really sage advice. The equipment for me, what has been my lifesaver, like, that it saved me, you know, from stand up to the crack of dawn, has been just having voice notes. Like, I have a, I have emancipation triple disc albums on my voice note because I just have to just get it down. And if I can just get that down, I'll know to come back to it. But I have to have just some kind of bookmark and then I can cut the equipment off.

My, you know, I've voiced notes. If we dare, it's probably my biggest prize possession, as well as just the notes in my phone. Well, I'll tell you, I don't write in the studio, but I'm always writing. I'm always writing. Like, always staying in shape. Because I think, really, we're just

trying to find an inspiration. Like, we know how to write songs. So now I'm just constantly collecting things that take my breath away. somebody says a statement, I go, oh my God, that's crazy, right? I'll just document it someone, see something and like, how do I transfer that into words? So I mean, yeah, it's like, it's endless. It's endless. It's endless.

It's just collections. And some of it I use and pull from and whatever. But yeah, we are constantly, we're constantly able to collect. But that does help. Like the fact that we can document a moment. But then for me, like when I go in the studio, it's like how, how locked in can I be? You know, and then trust the product will work out. Like, you know, trust the product that it'll take care of.

If I stay focused on the process, the product will work itself out. I love it, man. Well, listen, Arrow, bro, man, this has been, you know, long time coming. I guess the conversation we need to have. I didn't think we'd be having it in front of thousands of strangers on the fucking internet. But nonetheless, but, but no, seriously, man, I just, you know, I've told you this, you know, time and time again. But I just really just want to just thank you, you know what I mean, for just really just showing up in my life and in my career in a way that really, you know,

for me, just showed me the importance of mentorship, you know what I mean? And, you know, you really, just everything from the business to like the show presentation, because, I mean, I was like, I'm straight rap, dude. So going into R&B, I had no fucking clue what that was. I'm like, yo, what is that, you know? And you definitely were a huge mentor and model and just, you know, big homie and the whole nine, man. And, you know, my career would not be where it was, where it is, you know, without just your influence and just your guidance and just taking time just to holl at me whenever I had questions and just put me up on game. So, nah, man, this conversation was a dream come true, brother.

And I just wanted, you know, the world to hear this, you know, and just to hear your journey and, you know, really just, you know, give you that respect, man. 21 years doing this shit independently, bro. Hey, this shit will break big niggers with muscles. This shit ain't sweet, bro. So, no, man, I just want to just give you a flowers. Just thank you. I love you, man. I appreciate it, man.

You know, it's been an honor and pleasure. It's been an honor pleasure to watch your dream consistently come true. You know what I mean? I think one of the pleasures that I've had is watch a lot of people's dreams come true. And you, by all, not only be one of the most prolific people I know, one of the greatest voices I know. So the voice being utilized in so many of the ways. I can't tell you how proud I was.

Just when you joined, when this quest love Supreme and you were on it, I was like, yo, this first of you also are the most knowledgeable. I always say this. You're not hearing this for the first time. I've never ever told you of a record or a producer or a song and you did not move already. Not one time have I ever. Yo, it was one time you got me.

And it was a big one too. It was the night we went, the night we did, been in love. Bro, I don't even know if I told you this. You were the first person to put me on to Todd Runger. Wow. Wow. Yeah, like, he was one of those artists. I always saw his name and, like, I would see him.

I knew who he's associated with, but I didn't really know. And so then I think you played me. I saw the light. And I was like, oh, my God, that's Todd Runger. Like, I'd been hearing that song forever. Wow. And you put me on, like, the all we ran through the something-anything album. That's one time.

Like the entire I'm like this joint from 1972 B-side This record you're like oh that's such and that's what's thing playing The killer on it. No, that's killing. I'm like, oh my God. Here's this new indie artist I'm at the Bay Area.

Killing. They sell independent records in the flea market. Oh yeah, that's such and such such. Yeah, I got this. Man, won't we link you up? How do you know all of this stuff is really mind-blowing, man? I'm going to just say this and I got to say, You know, first of all, you know, you're my brother

and I love you, love you, love you. You are so true to your art. You are so true to your craft, to your friendship, and to who the person, who you are. You know, it's so funny. You are the first person, like, to curse in front of my mom, and she didn't even, like, hesitate.

What? Like, you know, you know, listen, you know, you are a cursor, right? It is, it is fine. It happens from time to time. It's part of your M.O. So you're in like, you know, at that time, my studio was in my parents' house, right? So we did bed and my parents and just even where my dad, it wasn't like, oh, this is how he talked to me.

And then this is how he talks to my mom and dad. It was like, no, this is how he talks. And whoever's around is going to accept this and love him. And my parents loved you. It wasn't like, who this guy you brought in our house to this potty? They were like, no, we love Fonte. Bring him as many times he wants. but it was like it was why i remember watching like the dynamic you talking to like my parents and

it was still the same way it was like the mfs and the inward and i was like yeah that's how he really he really fired off but it was but guess what it was like genuine and it's love and it's like a genuineness behind it it ain't like i'm shocked value whatever like yo you just a true brother you like for real like for real for real anyone who knows you know you're just a true brother and it's like just mad I got mad respect for you. You already know like likewise. You already know any time you call on like

y'all I need you to break dance in this video or like sing this melody or this joint on his like just sing the background vocals on his joint. You know, I'm like, all right, let's do it, man. And likewise too. And everybody has a tigilero too. They're like, when y'all are doing it yet? Like we're going to do it again.

I'm definitely, I was certainly love to do another way. You know, it's just hopefully we can do it at a time where like people ain't dying. and you're having kids and, like, you know, we have more order in our life this time around. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. I'm looking forward to it.

But I just need to let you know, man. I appreciate you have me on. And I love you, brother. And look forward to doing more with you. Love you too, bro, for real, man. Well, listen, on behalf of unpaid bills, Sugar Steve, Amir, Oscar winning, Amir, my work wife, Laeah, this has been Quest Love Supreme.

I'm not Questlove. I'm Pontigolo. but, no, man, thank y'all so much for tuning in. We'll catch y'all on the next. Go around. Tap in with Eric Robeson is the album. Lessons out right now on our platform. Go get it. And, yeah, we'll catch y'all on next one.

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