The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Erick Sermon Part 2

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

In Part 2 of this incredible 1-on-1 interview between Questlove and Erick Sermon, Ahmir asks for definitive answers about the EPMD breakup. Erick also speaks about a grocery list of hits, album cuts, and remixes from the 1990s and 2000s. This conversation intersects with stories about LL Cool J, Redman, Keith Murray, Too Short, and others. Happy 2025 from QLS.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of IHeart Radio. Happy New Year, everyone. This is Sugar Steve from Questlove Supreme. We are here with Part 2 of Questlove's one-on-one interview with Eric Sermon. If you haven't done so yet, please check out Part 1, where Amir and Eric speak about the formation of EPMD,

Eric's pioneering rap delivery and funky production, and a hometown rivalry between EPMD and Eric B and Raqim. It's a great episode you can't miss. Now, QLS is back with Part 2. Enjoy! the DOS effects album, the first album. Who did the production on that record?

Was that your fingerprints or was that? Now, people talk about God bless the day because one of the guys is dead. So Chris and Derek was there are two people from school, right? Right. But as you can hear the drums, the Roger, the whole nine, of course. Well, everything was skull snaps. Right.

So skull snaps were used three times because, again, after I left the records in there from what the album, because I used Snow on Red Man, you know, the record, you know, Watch a Nugget, those records were there. And then all the Roger Troutman that DOS effects used again. So anyway, it was the crew. I wouldn't get the credit for it too like that,

but Kristen and Derek was part of their silent scheme team was the ones who really put the stuff together, especially the single. Now, my voice is some live effects. snap a neck for some live effects for the far as them getting that james brown thing going that was definitely the derrick and chris so when they joined the crew were they more team parish or team eric like how did you guys discover them and brought them into the fold well we met them at a rap contest in virginia me and proud was doing the show and then there was the after party there was a rap

contest and and they was on it but we let some other two dudes win because the other two dudes was nice too but We knew that we was going to sign Dossifax. And did they have that style when you heard it? Yeah. Yeah, that was something that they, they met in the lunchroom cafeteria, right? Okay. Yeah. And Drey was rhyming on one side and school was rhyming on one side.

I heard the story and said his man brought him over and said, yo, my man rap, so they start rhyming together. Not knowing that Drey would be like, say something like, yo, he would be like, oh, that's dope. school was him, but oh, that's dope. Not knowing, I don't know who had the Igity style first between the two, but the story's never been told. It's just the fact that they met up and they became them. And as I said at the top, sometimes a pioneer does get there just do. But from your point of view, no lyrical style to me came and watched hip hop like a tsunami.

then the Igity style of 91-92 with DOS effects. You have to make that clear, not because those are my boys, but people can talk about who changed different errors or different moments in time and hip-hop, and their name is not bored up, meaning that when it goes to DOS effects and Rex and effect, heavy D, laws of the underground, ice crew calling them for, check yourself,

I mean, I've never seen that before. Chris Ports. It was phenomenal. They changed a landscape in the industry, and nobody says it. The day that they want effects came out, you know, it's like a local Philly Drexel radio show. Shout out to Cosmic Kev and A.J. Shine. Conceive. And, man, literally, like, that brought hip hop into hyper-speople.

So not since Raq Kim. Have I seen one person literally make everyone change their rhyming style? I mean, even on Can't Trust it, Chuck Diven caught a little glimpse of it. You know, don't be dumb tiggity dumb and all that stuff. Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah. But the thing that I have grips with is like they change the game and then we just disposed of them like it never happened. It never happened.

And I always wanted to know, did they feel a certain way about that? Or the EPMD organization feel a certain way about that. I didn't see that as a fad or a trend. I saw it as like really intricate rhyme. And I mean, fuck, Jay-Z came into the game with original flavor with that titty-tongued-twi-twi-twisting. He did. Stuttered. I don't know if you want to go back to early common sense.

Go back to early common sense. Totally. DOS effects fan. Totally. We all were, dude. Right, right. But why weren't they able to keep the momentum up? And yeah, look, I love what Primo did with them with the real hip-hop,

but I almost felt like we took from them and just threw them away. Right. And just never gave them. Yeah, I think that the pre-rock and the Primo records really kept their stuff going because it could have got worse where they could have not made no records after that. But that Primo was

huge for them to at least. stays somewhat alive. But I think that once the his squad broke up, I think it tainted stuff because Doss, like, told me one time, you're, hey, why did you leave us? I said, I left y'all because y'all went with Paris. So I figured that's where y'all wanted to be at. So I think that the breakup kind of messed a lot of things up on that side.

Okay, let's get into it. So right now, I'm speaking to you from my dressing room at the Tonight Show. I happen to know that EPMD and DOS effects did microphone checka on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. When Jay Leno finally took over for Johnny Carson in 1992, obviously the producers is like, yo, the first thing we got to do is start getting on Arsenio Z. Because Arsenio was like way ahead of the game. Like Arsenio changed the game and made the old guard leave. You know what I mean?

I believe in Jay Leno's first week night number three. Because even though I was Arsenio head, I wanted to see what Jay Leno was about to do. And yo, y'all did humming coming at you on the Tonight Show. I didn't know that was a part of that politics thing you're saying just now. I had third show. There were no hip-hop acts. Y'all were the first hip-hop act on the Tonight Show.

I did not know that. Yes. I did not know that. They were trying to cut into Arsenio's ratings, and it worked because I was like, oh, EPMD's on the Tonight Show, doing Humble coming at you. But I was, and let me say the politics on that, because I'm like, dang, we have Crossover and we got a head binger and we got all these other songs. But Dossoprix was so big.

Yes. That they was like, let's put these two together and do it like this. you know, for the purpose of it. Because EP. I'm glad you. And DOS and Fex was the new pop. I got to say pop because they cost. You see that new thing that's out right now with them at the beach

with about 80,000 people doing their one effects? Yes. I'm like, yes. I saw it all social media. Yo, what the hell? I'm so glad that came out so people can know, so people can know. So people can know. Was it the hit squad first before was the deaf squad?

Yeah, hit squad first, yep. Okay. So how did y'all come into to Reggie's stratosphere? Yeah, well, we did a show in New Jersey called Club Sensations. And if people know about Club Sensation,

you just can't go there. They're going to rob you. They're going to disrespect. You just don't go and perform at Clubs' Sensations. I don't care who you are. That was another Latin quarter? Nah, it was a small club. But yeah, but that type of level. Oh, yes, yes, definitely.

Or the Apollo, whatever you want to say. So anyway, that night, do it all from Lord's the Underground comes in my dressing room and he starts rapping and do it all is dope too from whatever

so he wasn't laws of the underground yet he was just do it all right you know trying to get on and then he says oh my DJ rap too and his DJ was Red Man really I heard Red Man rhyme that night

and I put Reggie on stage that night didn't even know him I was so impressed by his metaphors I put him on stage that night. And plus also to be like, yo, we're in this place. I'm going to put somebody on from out here so we can be saved getting out of smoking. You know what I'm saying?

And that's how you all meant and got down. And then I gave Reggie my phone number, but he didn't write it down. He said it took him two weeks to memorize. Reggie memorized my number and called me. Two weeks. Damn. He said he was writing down the number,

writing down, writing down to whatever. He kept trying, kept trying. Now, what type of determination is that? That was fate. Talk about Kay Solo. Now it speaks about Kay Solo. Michael Bivens speaks about Kay Solo. Now it speaks about Kevin saying that Kevin was before his time.

His storytelling, the way that he put it together, the way that he would use third party. Like, it wasn't me. The rhyme did it. So nobody was doing that before. So, but Kevin was, I told you, was already Parris's friend. Don't forget, he was in that group before it was Paris. So that's how I met Kevin.

Got it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, man. The whole telewar. on name shit. Yeah, tell the crack side.

I was going to say sales from the crack side. So like, yeah, drums of death, all that shit. Drum to death, yeah, mm-hmm. Did you do any production on that record? Yeah, just Bellbound.

Okay, of course. The first thing I had to get done because they was trying to figure out what to go with. So I was in there with a power play with Doc and Doc had the SP-12. I'm like, listen, let me show you just to program these drums.

And that, don't forget, if you listen to when I did, if you love me by Brownstone, the bottom drums is spellbound. I know. Yeah, that's so, yeah. I know. What happens after the feed? It's the same like, kept going. I just keep sorry.

I'll tell you right now. California, K-Dade. K-Dade made that, I don't know, what was with that record that made K-Dade and L.A. loved that song so much. that record was played in L.A. on that station like it was no tomorrow. It was something about that record. I still can't explain it.

Greg Mac and Kade, yes. I got to say something about Craig Matt real quick, though, too. No, no, I mean, Greg Matt in Katie. I'm going to say something about Craig Matt when you said to. Go ahead. I got to go back to when we playing the records when I first heard Rock Kim. Every weekend, Craig Matt's mother would drop him off to my grandma his house. And me and Craig were sitting in the living room and check out the new records.

I heard Publicity Number One with Craig and I heard nobody beats the biz with Craig at Grandma's house. Really? Yes. Damn, man. So you go back. It's a weird story that people like, you used to hang out with Craig. Yeah, that was my boy. How did Hurricane G get in the squat? Hurricane G was with my baby mother. So that's not that I know. God bless the dead. I met as a girl I met in the club with L.O. Kouj. L.O. Kouj was dancing with her after after he stopped yes, I went over there and talked to her.

So after that, then, so then. But was she always that loud? Like, I, she was Cardi B before. Cardi B was Cardi B. Exactly. Tone, loud, Spanish,

you know, kiss my head. Kiss my. Right. But she was already rhyming, too. I was like, you guys said, yeah, I rhyme.

And then Red Man took a hold to her and then they became sister and brother. So that's what the whole thing of her being in, the squad. And then when I went to Stretchen Barbitos and gave him that milky song, they, it blew up with them. I'm like, it's a demo that she had. So, um, but, but when I did tonight's tonight, I wasn't in the session when they was recording. Gloria went with Reggie. I got it. And my cousin Jamel. So you hit the, the snap in the background in the records. Right. So they were all three in there.

So whatever happened, Redman didn't want to be soft and be like, Mike, check, I can get smooth to any groove, but let... So he stopped it. So I guess they came up with that whole thing. I wish I could take credit for that, but it wasn't me, it was them. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th.

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Why and how did EPMD break up the first time? Yeah, the first time, again, it was the breakup. It was the home invasion. So the home invasion. That was real? The home invasion that went down was real. So, but again, it was blamed on me. So, you know, if you watch Beef 2, the stories out there, they blamed it on me.

I didn't see that. Okay. They had the witnesses and the whole nine. So after a while. Like, at what point was it ever just like, okay, you just show up and do shows together? Were y'all friends this whole time? Or was it like your crew? No, no, no.

It was a five-year breakup. Well, I know that, but I'm saying something leads to a breakup. Is it miscommunication? Is it like? That was the breakup. So if somebody said, I robbed him. So that's a breakup. I went in your house and tied niggas up in the whole night.

That's a breakup. So he literally believed that you orchestrated a breakup. Yes. Or a break in. Yes. And you went on a record to say that was not you. Right. But it didn't matter.

No, everyone, when you got, same to the Ra Kim shit, smack me and I smack you back. Once people are already saying this is what it is and you believe and they give me you all type of things, you believe that this is true. So five years of that,

that's how it happened. It was. So just like that legacy down the dream, like, they came and got me. Once they come and get you, and you get arrested is over. And you're coming back from that.

And you got arrested for that? Yeah, I told you they picked me up. I'm in the dark about this. That's the thing. I read a sore story like back in 93 or whatever, but I don't know, man. It's just like- They pick me up.

They picked me up and I fled to Atlanta. So that's how you wound up in Atlanta. Right. I remember you telling me a story about like you called Dallas Austin and he gave you a look- I didn't call that. My boy hooked me up with Dallas and brought me to DARP studios and I met Dallas. And Dallas was like, yo, you can have studio B. I didn't know who I didn't know who he was.

My boy, Greg knew him. Okay, so why did you choose Atlanta? Because I went there before. I liked it. Okay. And my grandmother was there. My aunts were there, so I had family there too. But for you to leave New York, like, was that a heartbreak or, you know?

I had to leave. It's either that to go to jail. So I was, no, I wasn't trying to. Oh, so you were on the run. Right. I fled to you. I didn't realize. I thought you just like, hey, man, I got to get out of New York.

Shit, I did not know that, yo. That's why you got to watch it. And the guy was like, yo, at the end of the day, they really believed it. So I told my mother, I said, Ma, I should go to Georgia. I don't want to just sit around here and just wait. So I left. Something that you're not supposed to do.

I did it anyway. And so you're making no pressure while everyone's looking for you? No, I made that when I got there, like later on. Like when Russell called me and said, no, first time I got the call from Puffy to make a record for whose demands. That's when I made hitting switches. my first single. After Russell heard that,

Russell was like, yo, you want to make an album? It switches. I forgot that with that intro, the beatbox. Right. So then when Russell came, Russell said,

you want to make an album? I said, yeah, sure, because you knew that the group wasn't getting back together. So I made the album. I spent New Year's in the studio by myself at dark. So I was just happy

just to be there without having that pressure on me. So then I started making the album afterwards. of no pressure. Got it. So, I mean, at the time when you're making this, what's your thoughts about

what a solo Eric Sermon album sounds like? Oh, I wasn't even worried about dying a lot of you. I knew what I was. I knew that I was making the beats. I knew that, you know, Red Man had success. I knew that Keith Murray was coming. You know, like I knew like I had things.

So I wasn't really worried about what the people were going to say because, again, he wasn't worried about selling records or seeing who was the top person or who was out or what was coming. Even though the chronic hack came, everything was out there came, I was so comfortable and so relaxed. I really didn't care. I just was making it because Russell asked me to make an album, so I did it. I wasn't worried about people asking me what it's going to sound like or not or mad because

the EPMD broke up. I was just doing what I thought. As long as it was hip hop, I was okay. And once hitting switches came out and I went home and DJ Twinn was like, Eric, you You are on fire out here. And I was like, for real, he's like, yo, his Swisters is on fire. So that was it. So I needed it.

Even though I like Stay Real, my join was Eric Sermon. That whole bit, I want to know of you. I want to know of you. That to me, that song like, ah, that's the song. You know what's a bug down to? I was those songs that I had that first when Red Man told me the term. And I made hitting switches. I had those songs before that.

But I thought that was more Eric Sermon because, hey, hey, Eric, I was doing all. So I was trying to make sure that I kept it. And all stay real was a new crossover. It's the same subject, you know. So I was trying to keep it into play to where even though his hitting switches was so hard, even though I wasn't a West Coast person, I was doing the hitting switches as the off and on, off and on is on. but not knowing that the West Coast took it for them doing this.

So I'm like, okay, because now they're thinking I'm hitting switches, but I'm really talking about off and on and so on. Right, I see. So, but they thought you were talking about. Yeah. Yo, did I hear correct? Did you open up a car business in Atlanta? Yeah, the rim shop.

The rim shop was the biggest thing happening at the time, you know, and that's how everybody got there. See, that room shop was so used. that once it came out to Stay Real video and people saw it. So don't forget, I was doing Shaquille in the shop. I was doing Jalen Rose in the shop, Chris Weber. So then Dave Justice would be in the shop. Tupac were being the shop.

And back in the back of the shop was 112 Jagged Edge, Goody Mob, Outcast, Usher Raymond, David Banner. These people were not even famous yet. My place is where everybody came to chill at. And if I was a person that wasn't happy, it wasn't secure, I could have had half of them all the sign to me. Man, all right. So when we first went to Atlanta, our street rep, you know,

the guy that takes you to the college stations and takes you to radio or whatever, takes you to the record stores. There was a record store that used to be a gas station. I forget the name of it. They shut down. There was like a big record shop there. Okay. But he was like, yo, we got to take you to Eric's.

And I think we were there at a time when, It wasn't open. It was like after hours or something. We never got to go in there. Okay. What year was that? 94, 94, 95, I think. Yeah, so it was still poppet.

That was, it was still on fire at that time. Yeah, but we were like on tour and had to leave and couldn't go by there. But we always heard that you got to go by Eric's spot. And of all the businesses, why was that the one that called you the most? It was the guy I met from Detroit. And so my boy, G, from Detroit, he had this shop. So when I met him, I met the girl that was with his girl. So it was in the shop and me and G got close.

But not knowing that, again, B.M.F. was in the shop every day. I didn't know who big meech was, but now it makes sense because she and it was Detroit people. So the dude with the ponytail was always meat in the shop. I didn't even know that. Oh, okay. And that was a lucrative business for. for you back then. Nah,

that, I didn't care about that money. That wasn't, I was, don't forget, I'm a producer. I'm on Def Jam.

So everything is mine. Reggie's mine. EPMD is mine. I got it. Every term is mine. Then all of a sudden Reddy Meph is mine. So that wasn't where

I made the money from. Money was being made, but that wasn't what I, I wasn't, I was just, making sure that this was, I was in something that was new. It had the hype attached to it.

So fuck it. Oh, you know. All right. All right, so probably the second most important thing I'm going to mention in this interview. I want to talk about the Rockefeller remix and also man above and man above on double or nothing. So, you know, as I told you, we connected at Clark Kent's homecoming services. Right.

And I told you, I was like, dog, you don't know how important. Red Man's Rockefeller remix and man above on your double or nothing record was what I call the movement and the movement I was speaking of

was the Soul Quarian movement and the amount of times where like Dilla and I would talk about how you really pioneered like the

texture that both of us really put our feet in and made our living. You know, that was our bread. That texture. And as dope as it was, it's also a very radical left turn for hip hop, a genre which thrives on high testosterone, you know, this aggressive. energy. Okay. So let's start with the Rockefeller remix.

Because the polar opposite of it, the album version of Rockefeller, which was the first single from Red Man's... There's Dark Side. There's Dark Side record. Was Red Man Eric Sermon 101, like a chunky, heavily sampled, dense... But that wasn't me, though.

But I don't forget that was Reggie. Got it. By himself. And Rockwell told him, don't do it because the G thing, he was like, don't do it. But Reggie did anyway. And I want to talk about there's a dark side as an album. Right. But that remix though.

Right. What was on your mind when you did that shit? Because that was just probably the same way that shut him down, shut me down when I heard it, like looking at the stereo, like, what the fuck is this? I've never, like, that shit called me. Like, this is your destiny for the next 30 years of your life, this style of production. What made you want to go esoteric? It was a keyboard in there, right? And the keyboard had no regular keyboard, but it was a rose keyboard.

But if you listen to the record, the record is off of a cassette. That's why it doesn't sound like nothing. Like, for you to hear it and it's hissing like that and there's no bottom or nothing, Like, it was so weird that it was even taken as a remix because I did that remix on a cassette. I made it live to a cassette. There was no laydown. And you mastered it from the cassette? Yes.

Oh, wow. That's why it sounds like that. It's gritty as it's not, wasn't done on purpose. It comes from off a cassette. So when I lined it up to the regular one, I'm like, oh, shit, this does sound kind of cool. But the road things was not really a road sound. I'm not really a player. I learned how to play later on.

So I heard what I wanted to hear by you press the keys. You go, okay, okay, I found the court. Okay, here's the court. Boom. So I'm going to do that. Same thing with the most brutalness. When I did the Ozzy brothers over, it's still what I wanted to hear,

my version of what makes a between the sheets sound like. What keyboard was that? It was someone that ate something like the Roland, whatever was out, whatever that was out in 92. That patch, yo, I could never, billions of times I've tried to, I thought it was a Nord lead.

I thought it was a- You know what? You know what that might be what, it was one of popular name. It could have been that. It could have been a Nordlead too. But listen. I'm all assertive as a Nordlead,

because just the tech. It probably was. You know what? You probably definitely right. It probably was the gray norley. It probably was that black one. But the drums were programming the W30. So I already had the drums going,

and my W30 doesn't have a baseline sound like that, all roads. So the keyboard with this sitting there, so I said, I'm just going to do this live. I'm going to do the bass. I don't because I didn't have no looping. All the stuff you hear in, except the drums,

is played live all the way through the whatever four minutes I played at the time. So you just played the keyboard, all the chords, and the... Everything is live. I didn't lay nothing down. I was recording two cassette. Ah, man. So it was made and it was being programmed at the same time. So once it was being programmed, all I did was like, one, two, three, four.

And then press play on the... no lead, whatever that was, and then play on the W30. And that was it. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your. favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations,

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Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never. mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends,

Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he did.

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My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a count. A

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And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider,

you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. How much production did you have in the hand of Red Man's First Record? versus There's a Dark Side. Yeah, mostly all of it, except Howell Blunt, was Pete Rock. The second one I didn't do it.

Second one I did, you know mine's. Rock and Father Remix, I can't wait. Exactly. In your opinion, what do you think of There's a Dark Side as far as Reggie's whole canon is concerned? Okay, I'm put like this. People on the underground love that album. They chose There's a Dark Side.

Underground, hardcore people, they chose that record. Now, there's a dark side. The stuff on that I love, which is the intro, was one of my favorites. But again, that's why Money Waters was so effective. Because people did not like, there's a dark side. It's not that I didn't like it, but there was something missing, and now I feel like what was missing was your input.

Yeah, I didn't do it. No, I didn't do it. Did you not want to do that record? Or he's just like, I want to do it on my own. I want to do it because Reggie had got the NPC and then he met Rockwaller too. So he figured that, you know, he had this sound and he was nicer what he did or, you know, whatever,

what he was making. Because again, it ain't like I didn't think that the Dark South was dope. I don't think to me that's my favorite album, but to other people it is. I know that what the album, and when it did come out, Muddy Waters hit so hard

because people was waiting for it. Okay, I was lukewarm on There's a Dark Side. Like, I didn't think it held up to what the album. However, when Muddy Waters came out, I was so shocked that it was like beyond... I know, yep.

Oh shit. The funny thing was, so when I got Muddy Waters, when I first heard the intro, right is he yeah I was like well it up but between the intro and is he for real right I got to admit man

I was so happy that we got sampled because the thing is is that by that point the roots had made three records right and you know everybody was like we all band so y'all gonna put out records and motherfuckers gonna sample you all you know I was like leaving drums here and there

and that stuff like Okay, and let me let this part bear because people want to take that. And nobody was taken to us. And, you know, by third time around, I was like, yo, we might be Rudolph the red nose reindeer of hip hop. Like, I don't know if motherfuckers are fucking with us like that because no one's grabbing these drums. No one's grabbing the loops or whatever. So when we heard our song section. Right.

Yeah. Sampled in the Muddy War artist. me personally, I was so happy to be acknowledged that like, yo, like, all right, so real hip hopers know who we are and shit. Like, that's what it felt like that. No, you know, you got to understand, man. You got to understand. When you play what we do, to me, it's crossover. As far as just the fact that we're telling people that this right here is not right.

This is not what you should be doing. This shit right here is crazy. All y'all doing is talking about the same bullshit, same stuff, the same whatever like that. So y'all was bold. Now, I thought you were getting ready to tell me, you, Eric, since we went that route, people were like, yo, these motherfuckers are dissing the game.

So I thought, I thought that's what made it kind of for y'all. But again, I thought, no, I'm the same. Because, listen, nobody did what y'all did at that time to put the industry on blast. No matter what you say, Y'all put the industry on blast. You know, it's funny, though, when we made that video, first of all, it was like,

we came at the train platform a little too late. Right. We were raised on YomTV Raps and all that stuff. So had, like, the YomTV Raps stratosphere lasted another, like, five years, like, really, like, it ended in, like, 96, 97. Right. But the effect where it's something new

could come on MTV. and instantly get picked up. We didn't have that tailwind that a lot of groups had between 88 and 96 at the height of your own TV reps. Right. And so it was hard for us to get on BT.

I mean, you know, we do Rhapsody or whatever, but like we moved to Europe. And so the thing is, is that our approach to videos, by that point, it was such a kind of a shrug man motherfuckers ain't going to catch this anyway

so oh okay whatever so it was almost like we told all right and I explained this before on the show do you remember in boomerang when Eddie Murphy was so depressed about Jacqueline he told Jeffrey Holder

to make whatever he wants to on that strong Jay thing like he didn't approve it he just like do whatever you want I don't give a buck and he came back well that shit so kind of and I know it seems like a cop out like a word

y'all just going to tell us someone held a gun to your head and said make this video like really it was more like we showed up all right show us where we stand all right roll it cut be out but what they do was not the and that's the thing people come up all the time like yo man I'm glad y'all took a stand

da da da da da da da da da and uh and you know i'll just be like sure yeah it wasn't about that why you had me fools to tell you the truth bro the director had did a similar video that was more humorous for a rock group and the rock group rejected it and we went in the reject pile of geffam records like yo what about this video he's like yeah i can do that for you now i'm certain for him it was a chance to sort to take a dig at the industry. And even then, seeing the final thing, because we were in Europe so much,

and it's not like they can email you or look on your drop box. It's not like now where I can send somebody a clip and get you to approve it. It was just basically like, all right, we shot a video and all right, the video's ready. And we thought we were trying to be funny

in a fish out of water way. And it turned out that we were being like instigators and suddenly we got beef on our hands because Biggie thought we were even that Oh yeah right even the one more chance shit

like I didn't know that was the one more chance shit so right yes I do believe in integrity in your artistry but we weren't really on the soapbox preaching the way that I think people thought we were right we were just lazy and didn't know what the video was about

it was just like why make a video Ain't like I'm going to play this anyway. All right, we done and we left. So that's kind of where we went with it. But no, but in the terms of muddy waters, but like one of the funniest stories I have in embarrassment. So when we got the credit for a section on the is he real join, is he for real in the intro,

that was the first time I ever got a gold record. Girls used to come out of crib. You worked on that Red Man record? I'd be like, well, yeah, you know. he kind of sampled this yeah hey this is what it is

like it wasn't it wasn't until 2000 in which we finally started going gold and platinum but like between the Red Man record and who are my Sima who got the people they sampled it as well like right

the amount of people that have sampled that that that intro thing of course but nah man I'm thanking y'all for that so that you know that, yo dog, for me, that Jesus Christ, those two songs along,

like the way that Dilla would talk about. Why you said man above? Man above had the same texture. Right. The same sort of bounce. I assume that was made on the same instrument or the same keyboard. That was made in a different place.

Because that was more cleaner. But man above, production-wise. Same shit. Right. It was crazy. I was doing a Mary J. Blige remix from the... Said for the man. Ah, okay, okay.

Okay. So, so on my life, I was going to do a My Life remix. So that's how I had those Acapellas. Because there wasn't no Acapellas back then. I was getting to do the My Life remix. That's the music that it was going to be for? I don't know. I just know that I never ended up doing the remix, but I had them vocals so I used them.

But I used them. Of all your productions outside of yourself, EPMD, what do you feel are your top five all-time Eric Sermon productions outside of yourself and your group? I know the best beat is going to be so what you're saying, though, but I'm going to get off of that. I'm going to say, of course, how high. I'm going to say the most beautifulest.

There's two versions of how high. I did both for them. Why was the other version, the non-silver connection version, pushed more? Like, I didn't even get the version that we now know as how high until, like, maybe a month later. Like, all we heard was the album version. It came out first on the Russell Simmons' show documentary.

That was on the show first. And I heard they wanted to shoot a video. I called Leo and say, Hope, wait a second, let me, you're going to shoot the video? Let me change the beat up. Because, you know, there was just rhyming. You know how many bars.

They was this rhyming and the shit was just, it wasn't, if I want to have Red and MEP on a record, I want to make sure that I gave them an opportunity. I wasn't about radio, was that just making a better record to me. You know what I mean? So I made a better record. Speaking of which,

you got to talk about Bayes some, yo. We're too short. I didn't have no idea that I was going to come home to New York. And it was going to be just as big as Atlanta. I brought Too Short to the Apollo with me that night. And he almost was crying. Like, Eric, I'm like, Short, they're going to love you out here, man. You are platinum artists.

And he didn't believe it until he hit that stage. And it was pandemonium. Again, me and Short. Who's playing guitar on that? Like, that's a guitar in June. A guy named, um, two shorts boy started Jay. But one or two shorts, boy from the, from the dangerous click.

He played it. Yeah. Very unorthodox. That's basically live, correct? Yes, live. Yeah, all of the drums, the whole nine, the bass, the whole night. His name is Shorty Bee. Shorty did it.

Got it. And me and Short was just in Atlanta as guest. Short had a lab. The East Coast, West Coast Beef was at the height of the time, and we thought that we can do something just to ease up, ease up to talk. You know, to one guy from the West, one guy from the East, and that came into play. I did that thing that night, one take, and that's it.

And I was like, yo, next thing you know, Greg Street had it, and it was over. And it last- I was jealous, man. It lasted in the land of for, like, at least, to my, like, to my seven years, six years, seven years straight of it being constantly played every single day. My boy used to rip me. He's like, yo, man, how are you going to let Eric Sermon come in,

with a broken junkie sounded drum set and a half-tuned guitar and outdo the roots. Like literally my manager was like, he was like, you remember when y'all used to sound that raw? I was like, what should you be talking about? He's like, man, you're all trying to do all these intricate jazz shit,

but you need to get back to a broken sound and drum set and a fucked up guitar sound of shit. That's it. Yeah, I couldn't, but believe me, I'm just a shock to you, man. I was just doing the beat. because it was me and short. So I just did a rhyme. I'm not thinking this record's going to do something.

And then I get home and bump master flex got it. And it's just as big in New York as it is. And you're saying you had it in Philly? I'm like, man, this is crazy. Kyle McKev used to always play that shit. And, you know, with the D. Angelo remix coming after that. Oh, listen, listen. David Sigerson said, Eric,

um, dreamy eyes is not doing well. So what do you mean? He said, you know, it's not moving. The way we thought it was supposed to be moving. It was a thing called R&R back then, on whatever, whatever. So you said, can you remix it for me? So automatically, when I tell you, Quest, it wasn't even no thought process. I knew what I was using, you know?

I didn't know that that was going to take off neither. But I go grab my partner, your Reggie, I need you real quick. You see, I grab Reggie for everything. You're right, yo, whatever. So after that, it was like, you know, and don't forget the music that was in the original record to bend, bam, bam, bam. And so I had that sample to go on. So I had some of the stuff, the ingredients from the original dreamy eyes to put into my

version, not that that the angel was going to be like, yo, nigger. God damn, nigga. Like, I mean, he was like, you know, yo, eat, thank you. Whatever you need, I got you. So I mentioned to him like a year ago, like, yo, man. I was like, yo, how can we never thought about redoing that live, yo? And he was just like, I forgot about that. That one's for the record books.

But wait, what are the other for? Okay, 4-321. And that's outside because I would say headbanger too. Because when I sampled the Boosie Collins, you know, again, that was. Yes. I sample Boosie also and most beautifulness too, but I made a headbanger for Ice Cube. I couldn't get it to. So doing the last two records, the last two records on business number personal was

crossover and headbanger. Because Russell said, if y'all dropped that album, the way it is, you're going to fail. So I went back and made a crossover and headbanger last. Did you trust Russell's ears? On that one, I trust more Leo, but Russell, for some reason, kind of knew. And I got to give him praises because I heard that before. I heard that that's not something that Russell will do. Like, so you want to wreck it, and then you would go with what he said.

But believe me, he was adamant about if you in Paris dropped that album the way it is now, y'all going to be in trouble. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform, became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast.

It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes,

follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so-ins, correct?

I doctored the test once. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg, a lesbian, Michael Marantini. My mind was blown.

I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. There's two golden rules that any man should live by.

Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck.

I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe.

On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Ego Wadam. My next guest, you know from Stepbrothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever.

I went and had lunch with them one day. And I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot.

He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't. feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration, it would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Yeah. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, It's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects.

From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar, this is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. All right, let me ask you about crossover.

Now, and you know, once Bad Boy comes into the play, all rules, early bad boy, all rules out the window. I was under the impression that if you sample something, it has to be at least 20 years old, 30 years old. Like it has to be vintage, a whole generation, before it can be sample. Right. However, so I used to work in a record shop.

So I was very much familiar with Roger Troutman's Girl, You Should Be Mine. Of course. Which was like his new Jack Swingy attempt, which weird enough also, like him sampling Booty Collins's rubber band, R-U-B-B-E-R-F-A-N. You know, like it's a contemporary, song. Right. With samples in it.

Look, after I met Dillon, he told me all bets are off. Like, anything could be sample. It can be made yesterday. Yes. And I'll flip it. Yes. But back in the early 90s, I thought a record had to be old. It did. It did. It did. So you basically sampled in crossover a somewhat newish Roger Troutman's song that wasn't even new. It wasn't even two years old yet. It wasn't a record store.

It wasn't old. The body wasn't warm yet. Like, what made you want to sample that? I'm a fan. I've resembled Roger my whole life. So after I get picked up from Ron Guidry from Sony, whatever, he has the Cypress Hills album on him.

So from the airport, we're playing Cypress Hills. That's how I caught Cube, and Cube knew about them, and how Cube got in the video. Cube know by Cyprus through me. So he came to the Apollo to shoot how I could just kill him in because... Yeah, but after he heard, don't forget,

I've run the cassette tape to a Cube video in Cali. And he's like, holy shit. So when I got home, Pew was in New York shooting the video. But anyway... Got it. You was asking me about...

Let me explain to our listeners. What I'm asking him is basically for him to sample, you got to chill for EP. PMD, that to me is a vintage song that we all know. And if it's vintage, that means it's been an oven long enough to be sample. However, with crossover, that song was like not even two years old yet. And, you know, like, I was like, wow.

When I heard it, I was like, yo, are we allowed to sample something that's brand new that isn't even vintage yet before it's ready to be sample? and for you there wasn't a difference. Well, I thought it was new because I never saw it yet. So to me, I think it probably was even a year old. But I saw the hymn on the thing with the globe, all I saw on the cover.

So it wasn't my attention to sample. I just saw a new Roger album. Don't forget, when I got to hand the album in, Russell was like, if you hand the album in, you're all going to fail. Right. So I went and made crossover.

Happened to have the cassette tape on me. Right. And I went through it. And baby, would you be mine? A little play, he said, well, I'm going back to you, whatever you want. I said, holy shit.

Here's the thing, though. And this is another deal of thing. Now, anyone else, me included, I would have thought that first part, the baby, won't you be my, like, if my boss is telling me, my album is going to fail if I don't have a hit single, of all the parts to sample on that record, I would have never thought sample the bridge. I would have sampled the other part. What made you choose the lesser of two evils?

The part that I wouldn't think to sample. The vote quarter. So you just wanted the texture. You wanted the texture. It was, that's Roger. So when you hear the more balance, you got to chill, bo-b-d-boom-boom, boom, boom,

more as the bow-quarter. So I got to bring that back. That's the whole thing. And all of your bass assault songs, especially the way you flipped the Adrease Mohammed's shit, that to me is like, whatever you cooked up for the verse, that is prime Eric Sermin, like,

perfection to me, man. That's just... That's my shit. All right. So what are your last two? Reservoir dogs. You did Reservoir Dogs? Yeah.

No, the Reservoir Dogs on Jay-Z's record. Me and Rock Waller did Reservoir Dogs, yes. You look at the credits of Eric Sermon and Pop. Rock name, not even on that on there, but he did it with me. Damn, I didn't even know that shit. Yo, talk about the 4-3-2-1 session. There was no session. I did that with nobody being in there.

It was a record that was done by track masters at first, though, Crest. And the record, I didn't like it. And they had L.O. Kouje going first and whatever, going this part, this going that part. It wasn't nothing that you heard. So I told Kevin Lowell, yo, give me the song. Let me see if I could do something with it. And put your hands was so hot. So I made my own version of Push Your Hands.

That was how 4321 came out. See, if you listen to 4321 and push your hands, it's the same drum pattern. I followed the same drum pattern. said it going Oh So you go on I did Boom boom boom

That's it I did nothing different Ah I didn't realize that Till right the fuck now Damn So by the time you got it They all did their verses already

Did their verses And the only one that we added on was cannabis And then the master pee But the versus were done So of course I got to put red and meth together. They did have a running meth together. I put redden meth together. Then I'm like, yo, the new kid, DMX, I got to make sure

that it comes in so far with stay out the dark. So whoever, so when he comes, I got to make sure that this is highlighted because I know he's the next of the next. So and then, L.O. Couget, you see how I was putting in the LL Cooge or stopping? Because L.O. first thing go like that. He was rhyming so fast with the whole verse.

I was breaking it up for it to make. sense to me. And that's why I was ad-living and cannabis got mad. So, yo, man, I thought you was, I thought I was squad. You know, you ad-lib on everybody, only versus you ad-lib doing with L.O. Kool-Jers burgers. I said, I was ad-living to fill the holes in. Ah, I got it. I got it. So did you realize, like, what was brewing underneath as far as, like, what was happening between L and and cannabis at the time? Nah, I didn't realize. I thought that cannabis would never disses him,

but L.O. Cooge is like that. L.L. explained, like, on this podcast that, okay, I might have taken it too far. I think that L.O. KooJ. got us on Rampage, too. You think he's busting shots? Females rapists, too. I don't give a fuck fool.

He got fucking Foxy on, I shot you. Like, it don't matter, B. L.L. Kouge is a battle rapper at heart. Even on his own posse cut, that's benefiting him? Yes. You and your squad, but to face the real guard, the undertaker, that's in Rampage. It's only one squad, that's the hit squad. There's no other person calling themselves squads but that.

And again, if you look at Paris, when he says, I know they're on my dick, Elle, but that's okay. See, somebody with picket, like Paris is telling L.O. Coosier that. See, I'm saying? You got to watch what the people do. I know you don't look at like that, but they do. Damn, man. You're going to make me go back and listen to your entire can to see subliminal digs.

I mean, I'm thinking that if someone's on your record that y'all's family and your squad. I don't know. It don't go like that. I just told you with the Foxy Brown, what? What who shot you, nigga? Like, he might not say it again, but too, you're saying that I'm not mad at him. That's the, he's the battle, ultimate battle rapper. Wow.

That's why he came back and probably detracted the cannabis. Cannabis loved that. Why would he dis Ilo Couget? He wouldn't do that. At the time when Keith Murray came to you, did he have an actual MC name? Because I love the fact that. The name was Keepekeekee. But what made him use his gun?

government name instead of his his MC name. Me. I mean, I thought it was smart. I thought it was ironic. I'm like, wait a minute. He said, Eric, I'm going to use my name and you use your name. I'm calling myself, keep married. Sound like an R&B artist.

Exactly. Yep. The irony of it. Yep. Okay. So what was the decision behind with the Insomnia Project and the Eric Onassis' album? Oh, my God.

Why you bundo-d-d-in-law, man. Hey, man. I'm like Nardwar. You're Eric Sermin. I have to ask you see it. I know, but I wish I can go back. I wish I can, not with Funkerama, because I love that Q-Tips showed up

and met them in the video. It was so dope like that, but I just think that I was on Interscope, and Jimmy I.V. was playing the record for Dre back and forth, and Dre was like, yo, not yet, not ready yet. It's not ready yet.

Not ready yet. So when the product that you heard, Dre okayed it, but when I go back, I'd be like, man, I could have made it more like the chronic where it had me, I could have made it more like my production of far as like what I really wanted to make for it

and not make records for the groups that I had. I could have did the chronic and then had those rappers on the type chronic type of mode. And that's all I felt about that. Funkerama was where I was supposed to go the whole album. Got it. Yo, did you do any production on Jamal's record at all? I just did.

I told you, I did situation, and I did keep it real. Jamal's album. You didn't do Fade Zamo, did you? Fade Zamo was on my Rock Wilder. Jamar's album is one of the most underrated for him having Diamond D. Say it. Eric Sermon. Say it.

Rockwilder, Redman, Mike Dean. I mean, he, it was put together, man. Jesus Christ, it was put together. Bill Duffies, we don't. Molly G. why do you think he was on Buster? He was on Junior Mafia. Like, but he, Reggie,

he was a problem. He should have been way bigger. Should have been way bigger. Way bigger. Way bigger. Music just came out of nowhere. No one saw music coming. Right.

No one. You know, Cats was ready to count you out. And I don't mean like personally count you out. Yeah, I know. It's just like, you know, you don't expect someone that was first hitting like 13 years ago to be even a big, to be even a bigger factor.

I know, I know. It was crazy. It was, again, man, I still, again, Bernard saved gave me all that life again, for him still in that record for my basement and trusting that the world had to hear it because I didn't make it for the world. I made it because Midnight Love was my favorite albums. And I was just saying that if I was had Marvin Gay, here's what I would make on him. That's what I was doing.

And I was saying that I would make something like this with him. So you say music was not supposed to come out? No, it was stolen from my basement. It was not supposed to come out. How are people stealing shit from your basement and bringing it on the radio? No, no, no. It was Bernard. It was my best friend.

The fact that I played it for him and he took it. And I didn't know that he took it. And when I got to the W Hotel, it was a clear channel music seminar. And Steve was like, yo, he played it for him. And when they all came back to your Eric, Your new song with Marvin Gay is fantastic. So it was, he stole it. It was never going to leave my basement.

How hard was it to clear the, or at least to get blessings from the estate? I paid $200,000. I paid $150,000 to the state and $50,000 to the lawyer. Well worth it. I knew that the time of Toler Clive Davis was battling on the table. So once Tommy came with his offer, we went to Clive and said, you know, Tommy offering X, Y, and Z. So I knew that that $4 million was coming.

So again, the best thing to do is to pay for it. Got it. Okay. And talk about working with Just Blaze for React. Oh, my God. That's what I said for you. Wait. You missed a...

Wait. I came right back. I came right back with it. Did you see the post about React? No. Okay. Send it to me. There's...

I got to find it. but and I always wanted to know. So I don't know exactly what's happening. So the part that you guys sampled, like whatever she says, and then I'm mad, whatever y'all sample is, and I don't know the language,

whatever, but it is a very depressing song. I heard about heartbreak. I heard the opposite of it. And I get it. Like with hip hop, you can take anything and make it, But there was someone's like, you know, like Eric Sermon just happens to choose like the most depressing song about death.

Yeah, I know about death, suicide. I know I heard about that. I heard about that. Yeah. That's crazy. So, yeah, how did you look up with Just Blaze? After music drop, people was like, yo, you know, again, to come back with another one after something like Marvin gave, man, like I said before. And I know Just Blaze got in trouble from Dame Dash with that.

like, yo, how are you going to give somebody to say something without putting it past us, nigger, Jemaine DePree had that beat. Red and Meff had that beat. Nobody knew what to do with the record. If you watch the JZ documentary, when Red of Meph is in the limousine, you can hear that record in the background. They had to

be playing. But again, nobody knew what to do with it. I just heard it and was like, yo, whatever she said, then I'm that. So once I had a concept, I'm ready to go. You know what I'm saying? And the verse that Reggie, that you hear Reggie, It was an old verse.

I put Reggie on the record like I always do. And then when Reggie heard it, he did the verse over. But that was a demo that I played for Clyde Davis after the music for the second album. I played it with a demo of Reggie. And then Reggie did the verse over for the Sound Clara. You know what? I feel like I'm Hot should have been even further than music. Like, why wasn't I'm Hot fully promoted?

You know what? I think that, you know, it wasn't just. you, man. I think that Clive and then was getting ready to jump to the second album really quick because music had did what it did. And then I'm Hot came and we shot the video and the

Twin Towers had got hit. So the video starts with the fire, the fire truck, the whole nine. So the politics of I'm hot, you know, I'm hot, disliked. So you know, with the people burning up the whole nine, I think that's what stopped it from

going. I really think that because the Rio was banned and the record was just bad timing. But again, I thought, too, and I thought that maybe it said, okay, well, he's going back to the Marvin Gay again. Isn't that that and this? But I felt how you felt. I think it was more politics. Got it.

Yo, man, there's so much of your remixes I want to ask, but, you know, this is already a three-hour episode. It's already a part two. It's three hours, but listen, I did three and a half hours with drink champs, too. Like, no matter what, no, you wouldn't. The same thing you're doing, he's like, Eric, I can. still keep going. I'm like, yeah, you're right.

This is 37 years of me being in this game, doing what I do, and producing almost half the entire hip-hop industry and the third of R&B music, I produced it. So I get it. I know you can go, you can keep going because I put it in. So I'm not going to ask you the usual, like, are you still hungry?

I know you're still hungry because even the records we didn't mention, like the ESP joint, hitting the breath of fresh air join. Like, even then, like, what keeps you, what keeps you going? I feel like Nas. You know how Nas just put the four or five albums out and nobody again, no, like, he didn't get the response that he wanted, but he didn't want that response. He just wanted to rhyme.

He felt like I got this rule with hip boy. I'm going to do four albums with him, do one, whatever. And that's why I'm at. I'm at though, too. Yo, I like what I'm doing. I like this craft. I like making records. You know what I'm saying?

Of course, if I was in it to where I had to make money from it and survive, oh, I'd be doing stuff a little bit more different. But right now, like I still, I like making records and being able to do something stuff. And then being able to be like, okay, well, I watch my colleagues. And I'd be like, yo, listen, Quest, you ain't got to tell me to stop, nigga. I know when it's over. I know when the shit is dead and when our colleagues and went too far and it's over for them. But you ain't got to tell me that.

You know, I will know that. Like when I dropped Brunier in 2019, I was ahead of my time. I know the fact that when it comes down to it, I'm blessed of what I know how to do, and that's make records and do music. So I choose not to do it if I choose not to, but nobody's going to stop me. And nobody's going to know you and being going to tell me that's over for me. I tell myself it's over. You tell the truth.

Like, that's, and there's nothing to be said. You can write, nigga, write a rhyme. Not with you, you niggas mad because you still here. Niggin, write a rhyme. How do you exercise the muscles in the gym? Like, making beats. Like, how many do you make a day? Well, I don't make this many productions that I do like I used to,

but I stay with the rhyme. My sister even say, yo, my brother's always exercising, meaning that no matter what, like, I still keep the rhymes going. And she was like, you're Eric, I've been around you a long time. And I tell you everybody, I said, my brother keeps the exercise on that mic. Like, no matter what, he always constantly writing rhymes. I make beats when I have to. And I want to get back into that in 2025 where I'm making at least a couple of beats a day.

I really, really stop doing that. Like, right now, I got a whole bunch of shit that I got called for just today, Q, some of Walker, Beyonce, a couple of things. the others, the game, everybody that called in for records. And I'd be like, okay, well, damn, do I have it or do I not have it? If I don't have it, then I got to go make it. So that's when, you know, too. But I did so much stuff in between because you see, COVID was here.

That was three years of making music. Before that, as you Jeff says something that was so prolific. He says, get everything out of your laptop. Right. It's doing shit in there. So that whole mentality now, though, too, Crest is like I'm letting all this shit go. Even though I have to make volumes

to put out on the web for niggas just to have, it's not going to do me no good inside that laptop. You're right. You are right. Yo, man, just with, I'm trying to figure out there's anything. You can always get me again. You got to come back.

You know you do. I know. I know, I know. I know. But I feel like it's one of the moments where it's like someone's going to be like, you know, why the fuck you ask him about? Oh, yeah, no. I think that you started off with the correct answers

and you ended off with everything that I didn't expect the records to mention, the ones you brought up, all of it is different. It's going to be very different from every other interview I did because the questions that you asked. Well, those are my favorite, man. But, you know, thank you, brother. Like, you're definitely one of my aspirations. Like not just like empty talk of, oh, you're a legend.

You're a legend. Like literally, man, the amount of times that I've heard your ideas and like, yo, man, I got to try that shit out. But don't, man, you're such an inspiration to us in the movement, man. I just want to, I want to thank you for that, man. And I'm glad you told me about the Jay Dillon thing because I would never thought that again, I hear people, Jay Diller speak about other people's names.

I never heard him talk about me and I'm baseline driven. But for you to say, Eric, nah, nigga, the Neo Soul movement was started by you. This other movement was started by you. You making these records made these sounds, and we was listening. You were the god of that, man. And we thank you for that shit, man. Okay, I appreciate you.

On behalf of the squad, y'all, I hope you have a good year. Until the next time, Questlove, Eric Servin. Thank you. And it's Questlove Supreme. Check y'all. Thank you for listening to Questlove Supreme, hosted by Amir Questlove Thompson, Laya St. Clair, Sugar Steve Mandel, and unpaid Bill Sherman.

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