The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Fab Morvan of Milli Vanilli

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

Milli Vanilli co-founder Fab Morvan speaks to Questlove Supreme about his musical journey. Fab opens up about the highs, the lows, the mistakes, and the misinformation surrounding his career — currently covered in a evocative new documentary. He also remembers his late creative partner Rob Pilatus. Fab's passion for music burns bright throughout this personal and reflective conversation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to a love trapped podcast on the EyeHour Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Questlove Supreme. I'm Questlove, your host. I've got to remind myself that we're now also not just a radio podcast, that we are a visual podcast on our YouTube channel. I should plug it more.

Yeah, so I'm in my red room. I'm in February. We're here with the Team Supreme right now. So, Steve, what's up, man? How you doing, I'm here. How's it feel to be back at work? It feels really good. I missed my Fallon family and very excited about the five-star review that we got in Downbeat for the Plum Box.

That's right, man. We did it. We did. Down Beat Magazine for the Plum album. Yes, absolutely. I'm walking on air. Nice. Laya, how goes it?

It is going. well, friend. I am excited about this conversations. Are you recovered from our L.A. assault? Just. I'm just recovering from your departure. Yeah, seriously. Yeah. It took a while, right? Yeah, I'm glad I wasn't alone with that.

I'm paying Bill. What's up, man? How's life on the street? Life on the street's good. I got back from our trip to L.A. I was home for a day and I went to Spain and Portugal for a week. So I'm a little like... What's all that for you? What's going on? I haven't been on vacation in like a year for those who

have children. You take those? I do, but once a year. And so I went to Spain, Portugal, and I sat on a chair and I drank and ate. And it was fantastic. And I recommend Portugal. It's beautiful. And they're all back.

I got back yesterday. Speaking of taking a break, Fontecalo is recovering from his, wait, is it Charlotte or where did they do the- Durham, baby, doorm, baby, yep. Okay. Y'all get a block party. No, they're virtually. Well, let's get to it. This is pretty much an episode.

I've been waiting for a long time to do. We always said we should have this guest on our show, but I don't think it could ever happen. As half of a mammoth, mammoth duo, our guest today sort of came crashing to our lives in late 1988 with an unescapable single entitled Girl, You Know It's True. Soon after that, four other mammoth singles all went to the top of the show. the charts. Millions of hit singles, millions of hit albums later. You know, him and his partner basically ruled 1989 with an iron fist. Pretty much rode their success all the way to the bank.

Subsequently, they were hit with probably one of the craziest music scandals that rocked an entire industry, which is kind of ironic considering, in hindsight, some 35 years later, they were actually pioneers in pretty much how the music industry is today. Like, you know, I know that oftentimes, especially in the last 10 years, there's been, you hear this word called fake outrage. We hear it a lot in politics, but, you know, having been alive doing that period, the sort of shocking scandal of what this gentleman has went through is pretty much the standard norm now. Matter of fact, it's it's it is the norm.

So, you know, so many people, no, even with, I mean, you know, the number one, number one activities, TikTok. Like, you know what I mean? Like, so we, we basically gravitate and participate in the practice that some 35 years ago, we were like aghast and sort of shocked to do. And now, you know, it's the standard. And so it's kind of weird how you can be in a scandal one second and sort of remarked the next minute. But, you know, I will basically say there. I guess literally face the music

and really work to shift the narrative, especially after losing his partner, Rob Palatis, and now 35 years later, after Girl You Know It's True, he's getting to tell his story, tell his truth, and really getting the last word in with a very, very powerful documentary, simply titled Millie Van Nilly. It'll be on Paramount Plus. Blum, you know, thank God that we get to say. Welcome to Questlough Supreme, Sir Fab, Morvan. Thank you very joining us today, man. How are you doing?

Pleasure, man. It's a pleasure to be here. And we're going to get down. We're going to talk. We don't chop it up and get into it. And I'm so pleased that I know, and I've seen you career. I've seen you grow. I've seen you evolve.

And for you to, first introduction was amazing. you know, Feptadles. Thank you, man. Thank you. You're right and you're right about what happened 35 years ago and bringing it back,

fast forward here. And it is the norm. And it is normal. And nobody is actually flinching to anything. Because now everybody's in cohuts. Everybody's working together. And it's all about,

I get it to music industry. It's about that paper, but it's become, and turned into like, wow, the veil, the magical veil is like... Lift it. You don't know until it's time to really do it. And that's where it comes down to. If you can do it, do it.

If you can't and don't try to, they won't find you out. Well, you know, now we're in a place where, as I spoke to Steve earlier, about being back to work. I mean, right now, we're about to go a step past that. Not even three months ago, someone had admitted or enlisted for consideration of a Grammy, a weekend and Drake song that doesn't exist. So, you know, the first AI song is about to get. And what's really crazy is, can I say it? I think I like that AI song better than any song on the current Drake record right now.

but that's also because, you know, there's a certain texture that I like the music that, that that particular AI song with Drake Weekend is that isn't on the Drake record. But I have so many questions to ask. Number one, so you grew up where? You in France or? Yeah, I grew up in Paris, in the center of Paris in the 20th part. That's where I grew up and that was my playground, you know, just beginning. And I come from a Creole household.

So we grew up with all kinds of music. You know, Sasa, Marengu, and then my dad was playing Ois Redding, and James Brown. My mom was playing Maria Callis and some classical music. It was always kind of a propoor at home, musically. I'm curious. Well, the thing that I was really curious about was I always wanted to know, especially this being the 50th anniversary of hip-hop culture,

I want to know you being sort of the first generation of European people to receive hip hop from the states as it's coming in the 80s. How did that get translated to you or how did that come over to France and to German to all those parts of Europe? Well, it came in different forms. We all know that hip hop is graffiti. You know, it's the art of poetry and it's street dancing. and it's the rap. And all started to appear in various parts of Paris. So you had the graffiti, you started to appear.

Of course, because we had the movies. You know, we had Crush Grooving. Okay. That movie got over there and we were trying to emulate everything. And like, okay, so you got graffiti. You have the dancing. You have pop-ploc. You got the floor as well.

And then you got the DJ that's doing the block party. And we were all looking at it like, wow. And some people were migrating towards where they felt like, okay, that's me or that's me. And some people went everywhere and experimented. And if you go, if you look at the effect of hip hop throughout the world, you will see that there's a dance scene of graffiti.

There's still like the forefathers of like crazy legs. You have the Italian crazy legs. We have the German crazy legs. So hip hop just spread out to us like crazy. And for me being a black kid, you know, and the majority of hip hop at the time, it looked brown and dark and it looked like me. So it was like, oh, okay.

So that's, that's, you know, I was connecting with it. In America being the land of opportunity and like Hollywood and, you know, entertainments. So we were really focused. on what was going on and that was for the youth that was my youth was it was it sort of like

I mean was it mainstream as in like these movies are in the theater or was it contraband because you know the short time that I lived the short time that I lived in Europe during like the roots formative years like our first three years we were in Europe a lot

and you know the way that they would collect you know there was always like a friend or a cousin in the united states that would send tapes uh over you know of radio shows and whatnot and movies were hard to come by like you you need to be connected to someone that can send you these things or whatever so how would you guys get the music and the culture if it's not like done firsthand like i know that at least the way the stories explained in the movie that both you and Rob were, you know, kind of sort of lone wolves and basically like lone black people, singular black people, and otherwise like

non-black environment. So how are you guys able to receive this information? Well, as a kid in France, it was very difficult to get it. But when I moved to Germany, I was taken to, I lived in different places, but I went to those clubs and those clubs were full of American GIs because the American base were based in Germany. So I'm going to like those clubs where, you know, they were doing the, you know, the day. Doing the prep. Man, they had the DJ had the white gloves and they were doing people get on the floor and like, you know, it was like for us, it was like for Robin. I was like, whoa, it was like being in America because there nothing but America in the club.

So from there, we got a lot there in Germany, but in France, you really had to look forward. You had to go to a record store. I didn't have the money, so maybe we'll put our money together. We get the records, we get the sets, but to get the videos, that was another mission because at that time, there was no MTV during that time. Early on, it was not MTV. wasn't there yet. How did you know what the look was that went with the music? There was

always some reports about America. You had to look for it. There was some music report. And I remember seeing the Furious Five, you know, with the hats and the outfit. And I was like, whoa, that looked hard. But, you know, we were attracted by it because they look like us. To me, they look like. And then

Jackson Five came into the fold, you know, and that was a different form. You know, and then earth made fire. And then, of course, the godfather, James Brown, and I had a tape, I had a record on television of James Brown explaining how we made music and how those dances, how we made those dances, and they were connected to certain grooves and how you worked with a band. And that was really, really interested, but it was difficult to understand. So always had to get a dictionary.

It would take me a long time to figure it all out, but I would figure it out. What was the scene like for Americans to come over and tour? How often would you see shows or artists of that caliber? Well, you know, I used to, when we were in P. Einz, you know, in Munich, Germany, a lot of band came through. So I saw Charlie Wilson, the Gab Band, for example. And then it's funny because we, years later, we ended up meeting each other a few times. So that was someone that I was exposed to the music and it was very, very, very powerful.

Whitney Houston, Prince, Prince came two or three times and we were invited to go and see the show. You know, it was Olympiad Centrum. And that was amazing because we saw him in the big stadium and then he used to do those small shows. And I got a chance to see a few of those. Oh, the after shows. Okay. After shows and you were close in the front and that was just And there was some crazy stuff to be able to watch it from very close like that

Could you tell our audience how you first connected and met your partner Rob? Yeah, the first time we met when I got to Munich I didn't know nobody and I was there with a couple friends But the first time I was a few times But the first time where I noticed that it was very competitive between each other was at a university show and it was break dancing on stage. I had met him shortly before that and he came across kind of arrogance and I knew why because we were on this turf. And it was like who was a black guy? It was those black guys because there were no black guys in Munich at the time. So it was like, okay, this dude is coming to my turf.

And that night I heard about the party where he was going to be performing and we were invited by this dance school that I ended up working for eventually. And he did his thing on the floor and rocked it. And then at the end of this thing, this choreography on the floor, he stood up and just pointed straight at me. And I was like, oh, damn, I might do it straight. Like, what do you want to fight with something? So wait, can I ask you because something is lost in the fact that you are a man from Paris and you moved to Munich. How did you maneuver and why would you decide to go somewhere where you know the language at, don't know it at all? Well, what happened was I studied German for one year in school.

Okay. But I love languages. I've always been very good with that. So I had that and then when I went to Germany, because some of my friends were dancing and were teaching in Germany. So they were like, hey, you should come down, you know, you're going to make some money. I was like, oh, really cool. Because before you had the Dutch mark, you had the guilders, you had the French francs. But the Dutch mark was always, it was always stronger.

So when they told me, yo, you want to go over there? I was like, yeah, experience something else. So I went over there and I started teaching. And then I was like, you know what? I want to travel. Paris was a place where it was really true. happy and there was with a group of people that I was having fun with and when I turned 18 I was like I'm out and then because I was I was of age you know I was no

longer a mine and I could travel by myself I made some mistakes ended up on the street you know no money I need to call mommy and I can send me some money all proud but then I had to you know call her and I stayed and and I kept going to the library to learn the language, to teach myself. And eventually, people didn't know that I spoke. So when it was starting to negotiate for the dance shows, I could hear the people talking. I mean, they were still so disrespectful.

You know, it was like, well, you know, and then I would, you know, I would say it in their language. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I would just phone like, hey, huh? So, so that was a real learning curve because I was a shy kid. And suddenly I had to, like, kind of put my chest up and kind of say my peace. And that was very difficult. But when I met Rob, it was my older brother.

Then he was taken on the slack. He was like, he spoke to language, you knew the people. And it became a little easier. But Rob was gangster. He was like, poof, my dude didn't care. Wow. When you were younger, even before you went to Germany, like, what did your parents do? What was like your home situation like and what was it that you wanted to do when you got older when you when you were a kid like eight nine 10 11

You know growing up growing up in Paris my parents being Caribbean in Creole we used to go on vacation every other year back to the roots and No pun intended and my my my grandfather was an accordion on his player and during the summer it was carnival so he would play those shows so i would go and see the shows and be doing soloing and i was like wow and suddenly my parents returning to children it was that that that wall between parents and children would disappear because of music and i noticed that really quickly and i was like oh man i want to get down that that's what i want to do my mom was like but island are they from that guadalupe guadalupe okay french french french country and my dad is from another island called the saints and my grandfather came from uh of the coast there's some

a cluster of island of the coast of calcutta india and he migrated to the caribbean so i'm you know so when you're creole you know it's like you put everything in the part that's my brother's got green eyes and he's three shades lighter than i including you because i feel like this is you from 1988 talking like yeah Yeah, you still look like, I'm about to say, you still like you're in your 20s. Not me. Thank you. I need you a secret.

Music is a secret, you know, really, and really loving yourself and surrounding yourself from good people and loving what you do and trying to sleep as well as you can, working out, eating well, those basics, you know, the basics, but if you practice, you know, and we've time now we've learned about intermediate fasting, we know more, about, you know, because of the internet, we've now been able to grab onto the stuff, the knowledge. It's an age of information. So you can, if you want to learn how to play an NPC, you just go, you too.

That's all. And you're going to figure it out. That's it. You can figure out anything. Software. You want to paint your house. You want to make a table. I'm going to figure out.

We didn't have that. So when he came to play an instrument or, you know, I remember I had an MPC, the manual was so thick. I was like, man, I tried to play with that thing. but it was discouraging because I could only play corners of the machine. And that's, now what they got, they got everything. Now it's like, if you want to do something, you can do it now. True, true. A win is a win.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The first show that you, I guess, became a professional, that dance show. Can you describe what that show was like or what the name of that show was? Oh, man.

So that was, I was doing that in my French counterpart who came from Paris with. And that was brought first. And there were professional dances and I was just new to the group. So they had certain types of coographies that we'd rehearse all the time and um one of them was uh slow motion

like it was like a like a race and the Olympic race and the music was from uh evangelist i don't know if you go evangelist it's a he did the music for blade runner he did the soundtrack for blanchellis yeah he yeah angelic sorry and um we started slow motion and then it would go and it would go and into like a boxing match because we're doing sports and we would do soccer all in slow motion and then it would go to I think muscle from Donna Ross and there it was kind of like you know in box of shorts we ended up in box of shorts and then we'd go into this in a motion and cogography and dance and it would be done as summer and so on we picked the music that we felt like felt good and I would finish

was Michael Jackson. Really? Because I had a jet curl at the time, you know, I said, so we put the product in the hair. Right. And I would go back and change, put my pants,

put the socks on, the shoes, and it would be Billy Jean. You know, of course, you know, everybody was a fan, and I was a big fan too. So I thought,

yeah, maybe we should add that at the end to just create, like, climax. And then just like James Brown at the end of my performance, one of the guys would come and put a cape over my my back and I would leave the stage, you know, because I had seen James Brown do that. I was like, oh, that's cool.

That's crazy. You know. So can you explain the process? Like, how do you guys meet the attention of Frank Farian? I guess for our listeners who might not be aware of Frank Farian and Pisario kind of what you would say, I guess. as a manager or producer who kind of brought forth to world acts like meatloaf

not to mention Bonie M as well He did the like I know it took meatloaf like 12, 13 years to make a follow-up to Bad Out of Hell so I know that

who produced the first one Steve Todd Rungren produced that Bad Out of Hell Meatloaf album Right so the follow-up record I know that Frank Farian produced that or had a hand in it. That's so odd for him after watching his documentary, considering like meatloaf visually was not what you would have thought would sell, but he really cared about those things.

Yeah, well, that's why I want to know. Just in general, I don't know much about Frank Farian as a starmaker or as a producer and any of those things. So could you tell us like how you guys first met him? But how we met is because we used to play soccer in Munich, Germany, and summer. And the majority of those guys were connected to the music industry, especially one of them was Bini Obaride. And it was a guitar player, Studio Kat. We used to do vocals for Frank and play guitar for Frank.

And we were close to each other. And we were trying with different producers in the city of Munich, try to get into music industry. and he was a friend of ours, and we told him, hey, we'd love to find the right people. You know, music industry, maybe you can hook us up. And we started to put a band together, performed in a city. And this guy also was part of the band. We rehearsed for two weeks and performed in P.I. and seen his club. That was a very known place at the time.

And from there, people heard. They heard about us. and then it went all the way back to frank and then via via via via it came to our he came to us and we got the number and i'm called i didn't know i didn't know who frank was i knew bonniem and but i grew up on sir you know siron uh... saron yeah yeah uh our listening of bass would know that as the rocket in the pocket break beat that that most those hip-hop DJ spun in the 70s, but yeah, Sarone from France.

That's right, and that was like, you know, I used to listen to Jean-Michel Jarre. I was listening to a bunch of out-there stuff, but then Bonnie M came around, was like, oh, that's cool too. So when Rob told me, hey, that's Frank Farnes, that's Frank Farn, the producer. I was like, okay, I don't know who he is.

You know, Bonnie M, and I remember going to parties with the kids, and Bonnie M was playing, But I was more into disco, done a summer and that. But then when he told me how big this guy was, I was like, well, let's go, then let's go. And we ended up going to the studio and that studio. You know, I watched a lot of doc as a kid about music. And when we got into the studio, it looked just like the studios from America.

Yeah. There was Meath consoles. It was like the real, like outboard gear, like in the square, the whole wall. And it was four rooms like that. There was no one. It was four. SSL, Mead console, best microphone, everything. And in every room, there was at least five people working.

So it was like the factory. So we went in there and to top it up, you get all the gold. records on the wall. So we young, naive, didn't know anything and never signed any contracts before. Don't have a manager or an attorney or nothing. No, no experience with in that regards. So going in there was like, man, we made it. Like we were the right home, you know. So we met Frank and we had a conversation about music with his assistant slash slash slash and um because I say slash slash slash because she was she was handling the business she was the she was the charmer you know she was like you know she would like you know many blind use

pop and speak in a very soft voice and you know you trusted her Frank would never be in a room too long You'd speak with you, then you'd be out. And then she'd take over. Okay. I just wanted to say hi. So shortly that we never really had big contact with him. But he said hi. This is the redhead young lady.

That's in the dark. Engress? Or what's her name? Yeah. Ingrid. Engret. Yeah. Ingrid.

Yeah. She would do the stuff. She organized everything. Yeah, I wanted to know just the kind of basic. of operations like so what are they explaining to you at the time that you know you guys have a look we can make you guys the big stars like oh like are they telling you at this moment we get to sell trillions of records or they just basically saying like look let's just make a hit single and see what happens no it was none of that as because you know now inside 2020 the first meeting we had

was to look what we look like because they heard about us what they know like what are they about you know so we just spoke about music you know and like i say frank was there day shortly so it was more in contact with ingrid and we just talked about our dreams and what we do we're saying you know just like a regular artist who gets an opportunity so you try to sell yourself you like you know you know we really want to work with you we we sing we perform you know rob played play guitar some basic blues chords and we would try to write all the time. So we talked about the fact that, yeah, Rob played a guitar, I'm not very well.

But we said, oh, he played guitar. We sing harmonies together, you know. It was not that long. They were busy. It said, okay, it was a pleasure to meet you. But what was cool is they paid for the rental car. So I was like, oh, nice. You know, so we not to spend any money to get there.

So that was cool. So even the meeting was short, we're like, okay, so we'll call you. We keep in touch. their numbers, you know, and like, you know, and this we were told I talked to Ingrid. She's the one to talk to. But Frank, no access. At any time, did anybody comment on your actual singing voices?

That's what I was wondering as y'all were going through this part of the process. No, no, no. It was just the first meeting. Then after that, through the months, we, you know, we were like, okay, we're going to get in business with this dude. We know we got money. We were doing, you know, we were performing, but it was not. bring in the money so we're like okay since we know we're gonna work with them maybe we should call

them and ask for you know a little bit of money like you know and they were always very nice and say okay yeah yeah here's some money we didn't know that that money wasn't free so we kept calling we kept calling we kept getting because we had to pay our rent you know hook up that hair you know eat the basics because not much so then finally we were able to come to the studio. You know, and first they played us. First of all, before doing all that, we'd sign a contract because we came a few time in between

and we signed a recording contract. So that's why the money we've been receiving, prior was becoming, okay, it's official, sign the contract. There is no manager, no, you know, no attorney. And today I was I was talking to someone and it just pop up my head that we were given the last two pages of the contract. We were never given the contract like, hey, here's the contract. Go check it out like this. No, they gave us the last two pages.

I didn't speak German. That contract was in German. So we had to, so hey, here it is. The money was there. Oh, cash is on the table, we won't get, we're going to go on paper. So we just signed. That's the, just like that. So we thought like, man, it's cool.

And then after that, we kept asking for some money because he took so long in order to get to the studio until we got to the studio. And then I didn't know much about, because the studio that we worked at, they used to have like task cam. They didn't, they didn't have like the knees with the tape. Because when we come in the studio, we saw all the tapes hanging on the wall. It was like, oh, oh, what is that? It was like, oh, yes, because, you know, we know where everything is. Oh, cool. But when they played a track, I'm sure they mute the vocals, because the vocals, everything was the way.

So y'all sang these songs? Oh, God. Y'all sang these songs. No, no, no, no. No, no. Listen, the songs were already recorded. The singers were already on there because they were. on there because they were recording music ahead of time so if I would have known about

how a studio works a big studio works if you'd have seen like oh lead vocals backgrounds here harmonies I didn't know so when we came to the studio they just they did what they did I'm sure they muted and say hey here's a track and then it was just instrumental okay so they didn't play the vocal okay I get it now yeah oh no so but that's track was banging I mean he had like you know he had the main that was poor it was like for us you know when you're young your imagination runs wild so we saw ourselves like on stage and doing this thing rob was looking at me like we were smiling like he was like oh we're good but we never talked until this point nobody came no no vocal coach because you know

everybody was to vote coach I mean you know a lot of people I didn't know that but there's a coach there's a songwriter and you take people even though they don't have the talent at that

moment they got a little something something some people invest and they believe in them and then after an album or two like they're good they're pretty sweet but it was none of that because the only thing

he was interested in from the beginning was to use the visuals that's all because he did it with Bonnie M. Let me explain. Frank Farian sang the vocal of Bobby Farrill. What? Yes. Yeah.

I did not know that. So Frank did the vocals for Bobby Farrell. And that's where he found his formula. Like, oh, that works. Also, the one thing I heard was that, and, you know, Frank, it was an artist was trying to make it. and the music that he was making, the label were like, hey, I'm now. It can be black music. You're white.

And you know what happened? So as an artist, he was like, oh, so I can do black music because I'm white? All right, Dan. So he figured it out. He got this formula. You got the girls. You got the guy. And then he did the vocals from the guy.

And then he kept working, he kept working, it kept working. It kept working. Then years passed and moving only comes around. Well, he can't do that. So what you're going to do is going to go get people that he works with in his studio, have them come at night, military operation. We in Munich, we don't know nothing. They got the guys.

But the thing is, they were already looking. They were preparing that stuff in advance. We just came into the fall. We just fell into the trap, not knowing that the sole thing they were willing to, they wanted to use was the face. So singing was never came into play. So when we heard the track and we were smiling, then he took us to another room,

and then he kind of put it on us. And he started talking to Rob in German, because through the years, I was more like an afterthought. I was never, I guess, I never was really truly respected. You didn't have the green eyes. Well, I was missing something. So it was always, they were talking to him and they would relay everything to me. And then you relate everything to me and he was getting pissed.

Rob was like a firecracker. So I could see him like, ooh, my dude is getting mad. Like, yo, we were feeling good a second ago. You messed it all up. I'm thinking you said something wrong and we lost that thing. The dude walked away pissed. Pissed because we didn't want to do it. And Rob was like, no, we're not doing that.

So Rob was already saying, you're not doing that. But then, you know, Ingrid, like the voice of reason comes like, I think it's in Mowgli. You know, there's the, I think it's a snake in Mowgli that comes in like. Sweet talks into it. And it makes you look at reality. Hey, you got some money, you know. Hey, but Fab, in retrospect, when you look at it, Ingrid and watching his documentary and knowing the history of like where Rob comes from as an orphan,

adopting child and all that, don't you think she fed right into all of that? Like she became this also kind of like she said in a documentary, we were in, yeah, but she said we loved each other with no sex. So not even just the mother. It's a little sicker than that, Amir because she like, mother, but he hot though, you know, but we not. It was. Listen, I don't, because the thing is, I, when I, when I saw that, I was like, it made me feel weird because I know Rob was gangster. And let me tell you, Rob was, it was always gangster. But when with the drugs, he became, he switched.

He was not the same person that I knew. And then he was about, it became by him. You know, it's because he became, you know, he became an addict. So then he was not the same dude that I grew up with who had my back and all that. So maybe he was just, you know, taking care of, you know, of himself. There are so many words for this in 2023 with the traumas and knowing like a little bit of Rob's history. And it was inevitable if it wasn't nurtured correctly that. And he had a big, he had a big void, you know, and obviously when you go into entertainment like I did,

and it was, you know, you want it to be loved. And while you don't get that stuff at home, you're going to go and get it like in another way. And when people say, oh, I love you. Oh, you're the best. You know, and that when we got that, that's part of the seduction because we did that for a single. And then obviously we signed a contract for five albums, which we didn't understand that concept because we never seen a contract. We just know we just thought it was two pages, but it was a full, full on contract. You know, and all that.

A win is a win. is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became

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Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Can you explain the basis of how you guys came to the name, Millie Vanilli? Okay, so the main millivin was, you know, there was a group called Creteipollitties that was from London. And we loved that we love their sounds. And we loved it. The way it rolled on the tongue, Scritipollity, that's cool.

So we're trying to find something. So we, and then we were thinking, okay, ice cream, dark dude, light dude, like ice cream. It was kind of cheap, didn't work. And we like, oh, vanilla is cool. The Millie's dope. And then somehow those Ingrid's little name was Millie. And then how we mixed it all up and it was like Millie Vanilla and then it had this ring to it. It had Italian.

It kind of sang and it stuck. It was like, and people always ask, are you Millie? Are you Vanilla? Yeah, I initially thought that one was Millie, one was Padilly. That's right. That's right. That's right. And that's how it came about, you know, like that.

And we just rode with it. And then what happened was we did a first trial. I'll tell you, like, how, because I'm sure you're going to ask me the question. Like, so how did you, who picked what and why? Right. You know, obviously, we didn't sing on the record. So it's like, why did you pick that and what did you pick that? Well, truth and matter is that Rob was like, I ain't trying to do much.

Oh, Rob. Smart. Was the video the first thing that you guys did as the unit? No, no, no. First, we did, first we did a, I think it was a trial out, and we went to a radio station that was regional, and we did this thing. And there was no talk of video.

And then that thing that we did at a TV studio, basic, after picking up the parts, that thing kind of, it went like wildfire in the region. And that's when Frank was like, yo, man, we got something there. And then they started to like test the record and play the record in the clubs, in black clubs in Frankfurt and in the club called Funkadelic, where Frank used to go in with a vinyl because he had a Furman. Now, I forgot the name of that vinyl machine where you can print vinyl. Yeah, right.

He had one of them. A test press. Yeah. And then you would test press, go to the club, and we'd come back and be like, so then when you had it right, then Funkadel Lake was mostly dark-kin people. Mostly. So all Americans and, you know, like, he was like, you know, I got it. I got it.

But, you know, that was done by new marks, you know. Right. That was a problem. So it was not too difficult to like, okay, you already have something that's that It's obviously great, but he blew it up. You know, he had big, better equipment, but he kind of duplicated exactly what it was, but I can't take it away from him

that first he had the instinct of pick that one or somebody else picked it and brought it to him. Right, okay. At what point do you realize, like, oh, shit, this is going to be major? Because even then, like, you guys weren't on Arista record yet in the States. Like, it started out as an indie label thing and sort of just rose its way up to the top. At what point do you realize like, oh, God, this is going to be something?

Well, it was that we were living at a friend's house. You know, it was like a very small apartment. And they had this show called Formula One, Formula Ice. and then it was a Saturday because on Saturday the Charles would come up and we were there just watching it and here we were it was like

and we used to watch your shows regularly and we used to dance behind some of the people that used to perform on that show as backup dancers and then there we look at the TV we hear the song with like oh my God

we started breaking stuff in that apartment through excitement It was like hearing your song for the first time on the radio. It was the snippets, but we weren't in the charts because they were playing the chorus of each songs from the bottom, like the entry. So I think they were doing the top 20. I think we were number 20 there. But then it went, it went quick, like super quick. And then it started to get organized and we had to be.

And then we were sent on the road. And then there was like, suddenly we had Engride around and there was a car. There was car service. Then there was hotel and there was planes. And then it was like, okay. Are you curious about the actual voices that are, you're hearing? Like, do you ever wonder who it is? Always, always curious.

As a matter of fact, I ended up working the past seven years, six years. I worked with John Davis, who passed away last year. Oh, okay. That's cool. Yeah, so we were on the road. I've been on the road. I've performed the songs with a band without a band tape. I've been doing that for years.

It's super common now. Like right now, I'm a shit. I just came from a Duran Duran show, and I swear to God there were at least eight MacBook pros with like at least five terabyte hard drives backstage. So what was the technology like back then? Because in my mind, I didn't start seeing at least like the blatant technology, at least until the early aughts, like 98, 99, 2000,

where there's pro tools and that sort of thing. So what was the process like in preparing for performances back then? Well, the process is what happened was we got the tapes because we did a hundred and seven cities shows in eight months. So the process is we got the 24 track tapes, went to the studio, and then the engineer, music supervisors were in the room, and then they say, okay, we need this, we need this, we need this, and then they transferred that to a fair light.

Oh, okay. He went through a fair light, but before that, we went into, I think it was for the MTV tour we did, I think, an Oberheim, like the big Oberheim and then the... So everything goes in the keyboard? Yeah, everything goes in the keyboard.

So is it triggered or is it like to the point where... Because the thing is, I don't know if back in 89, 90, if there's in-ears, where you hear the count-off and all those things. No, the count-off was like... It was a drummer. Count-off was drummer. The knock, tack, tack.

and then boom and they would just have to play to the tape they played a tape even the band the band was playing you know but we knew that we knew that after like a couple bars like okay that's it so it was rehearsed as well so okay a lot of work went went into it you know it was uh because it had to be seamless in order to be believable you know and um i just love the process of creating the show we created visuals we you know we the band we even added sections because we thought because we listened to everything when you came when came into our room before a show there was from acdc to gab band to cool in the gang to the beetles to let zeppelin you in to sex pistols it was everything because in europe the charts was everything went into the same charts there was

no separation so we I remember we added a van hailing solo in the middle of us so we come up with those ideas like for example I had sample because I had a Akai had a small akai 900 yeah there was the 900 there was a thousand and then you went up and I would I would watch movies in LA and like oh I saw Ben Herr and Ben Hur and the boom boom boom right yeah and I said, I told the musical director, listen, I want to, I want to start the show with this. It was like, are you sure? I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. And I was a fan of classical music.

So when we did it the first time, man, it was like, it was like the arena, and the crowd went crazy. Then we're like, oh, we're keeping that. Because they didn't, they were like, are you sure? Like, yeah, we're sure. And we pay the bills here, you know, we're the boss. So just trust and then it worked. So we would add little things to make to show better because that's how we could really affect. Because the vocals were like, that was like glue.

I was going to say, I remember. So I used to religiously record every award show and every just basic music television show. I mean, now, of course, you know, with what we have now, you can just go on YouTube and see stuff. I'd religiously record these things. And what I remember most about the Grammy performance was like the first four bars, you guys actually, the drums were straight out of Compton. And I remember, I was like, yo, like, you know, I mean, back then when I was 17 years old. And when Gary Shannon's like, ladies, don't know, no, millie-vinilly.

And I'm hearing the opening tracks is straight out of Compton. Like, I remember me and my cousins were like super hype. Like, what's going on here? Like, y'all, y'all came out with this sonic. It was like a sonic assault. In every performance I saw you guys do, it was like your life depended on it. Like, I've never seen two hyper people in my life, like, really, really sell this problem. So for me, like.

And you know, listen, listen to NWA as well all day. Oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, they were unavoidable. That's true. Yeah. And we're in time. But Sonny Klee, it had so much power.

So we were like, yo, we're trying to make our show as strong as possible. So that's my simple. It was cool. You know, so if we could hear something that would help us, you know, stimulate the crowd, something that was familiar, now we take that. You know, it was just like, you know, as a matter of fact, back in a day, we'd We were going to go into engineering school, but we had to pay something and that money went somewhere else, but we could have gone to engineering school otherwise.

Okay. Money ran out. By the time that at least in America, we get the album, I mean, the thing is that many people don't know is that around the world, the album was all or nothing. Yeah. And I, you know, I guess for America, I didn't even know, it's so crazy that I had no clue that Diane Warren wrote, uh, blame, wrote Blame it on the rain. So, Mr. Kevin Lounce part too. That's all is. Yeah, I was good. I was curious as to, did Kevin not want to participate in the documentary? Oh, man, you know, politics, mine. That's so like,

that's not so I can think of, you know, it must have been some political thing that played into because Why not, Kevin? You know, as a matter of fact, Bill Pedraway says hi. Why did you feel that now was the time to tell the story? How long was the process and to you making this project? No, he had nothing to do with the time. It's just the wrong people came by always. It was always the wrong one.

Their approach was like, it was like sensationalizing the thing and almost like fictional. fictional. And you could tell like, because I'm pretty good at gauging people. You know, my manager Camalo is well. And every time we sat with people, it felt like it wasn't kosher. It wasn't good. It was like, nah, man, it just sees a great story and they want to be attached to it. But I didn't feel the genuine and the passion to it. Were you pitched a lot? Was it a lot of project? How many pitches? Oh, man, through the years, first of all, we went through the movie. that fell apart. Then it was all kind of like,

then it was Brett Radner who was supposed to do our movie. And then because of what happened to him, that fell apart. And then I was getting tired of, I gave up on the idea of doing this, whether it was TV, series, whether it was documentary.

I gave up on it. I said, my manager said, Kim, Marlowe, I said, you do your thing. I'm going to go to Europe. I need to get out of the U.S. and really just go and do, you know, like get away because if I would have, I don't feel like if I stay, I'm not going to be right. I don't have much time.

So I left. She pursued it. She met people. And then one day she said, yeah, listen, I think we got a live one. And then we met. And he was, this dude, I could feel he was passionate. it everything because you know I don't usually trust what people say so I heard I listened I say cool but I felt like he was cool but you never know but then I was

told he told me go watch something that I did and it's called Delta it's about a blind magician so I'm looking at this thing not knowing what it was because he told me yeah it's called Delta so I figured it out I'm watching watching. And in the first five minutes, this dude shuffles cards around. And I'm like, okay. And then in one second, they go to his face and my dude is blind. Wow. A blind magician. And then they followed these dude for four years. And they had to go through a lot of footage. And the story, the way they weave the whole story was magnificent. It was very subtle, but you could feel. each characters you could feel the pain of each and I was like well if they were able to do that with this story and I was looking at my story where it's this bang bang firework bam bam I was like I'd be interesting to have to go through the motions and and massage this thing and make because an art there is an art to

make a good documentary but also to report and what they did they did a lot of investigative journalists journalists just and they found out stuff that I had no idea about. He was like, oh, wow. So that's why the more we work together, I was like, man, my dude is passionate, like crazy. He was like he wanted to get and you get it. And even the way he interviewed the record executive.

I was just about to say that, Fab, the way that he interviewed those record executives and made them and asked them so why were their names on it when they got to America? But this album before their names weren't on it, singing. So make this make sense. Yeah, he worked and he worked and he could hear He could tell him that he cared He cared and he's genuinely He understood

What happened to us Because when you're bigger than life like this People are desensitized to the fact that He ain't no human being He's a stop He's got money What does he care? Like man, I can make those jokes

Man, don't stop crying baby You're like a baby You know and we were like whoa assaulted verbally so much when when when Rob tried to jump out the window they make jokes about it like oh so cause an effect rob in the end died of a broken heart it broke his heart like and then he was doing drugs so on top of that when you're not riding the head like this you know you know emotionally your emotional intelligence if you ever had some goes out of the dough Boom, it's gone.

You'll never come back from that, especially if you mess up with your brain cells. You know? And they were not nice at all. It was so brutal. And me, lucky me, I was like, yo, I'm going to give it up. I don't think it's for me. It was a social thing, but I could tell if I would go any further,

I would have fell off the edge. And to come back from there, you know, because I've seen it in L.A., walking in L. or even in New York, when I lived in New York, like in, oh damn, I lived in New York for about a year, a year or so. And I saw people from the past. And I was like, damn, like, wow, don't let this happen to you. You know, so I took my health very seriously. And actually my doctors told me, listen, remember those words.

He said, success comes and goes. but the one thing people remember is your face if you don't look the same you know they're gonna look like oh you know the same Spanish pro visito oh poor dude he's done it's cooked he's finished but if you focus on

yourself and you keep on growing you might have a chance to kind of look like what you look like and if you work on yourself you might make something out of yourself because you notice I was never right, that was doing the wrong things. But like, he was kind of like a father figure, and he tried to talk some sense into me and

saying, hey, you know, you might have another shot someday. Don't throw it all out the door. Make sure your health is right. You know, and I realized that I knew that when you take care of your health, well, you know, things are better. Your mind is better, more clear. Right. You know, things are different.

A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes

of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galko, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode.

Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield

and in this new season of the girlfriends Oh my God, this is the same man A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist I felt like I got hit by a truck I thought how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care so they take matters into their own hands

I said oh hell no I vowed I will be his last target He's gonna get what he deserves Listen to the girlfriends Trust me babe on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Ego Wadam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live,

and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo! Woo! My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings.

I'm working my way up. through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration.

It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat just had. Hang in there. Yeah, it would not be... Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal.

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This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For you, was there a period where you just absolutely positively wanted nothing to do with the story where, like, you just went years without. you know doing it or i mean now it's really great to see you embrace this story and the reason why i've embraced a story now is because before it was very difficult for me to just because i was so fragile emotionally and everything people said about me it was like i was being bullied and you know like all kinds of insult i was like wow it's tough to take so i i i i i i told myself, okay, I'm not going to go back to Europe. Music is really my love. Music is my friend,

my father, my mother, my confident. So I'm just going to go and hang out with music, make her proud. Because music in French music is feminine. It's a woman. I'm going to work with her. I'm going to make her proud. I'm going to keep working myself. And at some point, I'm going to be secure enough to not have none of that touch him anymore but I got to do my work so I went to songwriting I went to playing guitar

got into producing and I've been making music ever since I never stopped I never stopped creating making making making people have no idea but when I'm going to come I'm going to come that door when it opens up and I'm releasing music then I'm just gonna people are going to be like

oh and nothing And nothing's going to stop me from doing that. And age is nothing but a number because it's all about the work. As a matter of fact, when you age, life gives you music. That's it. If you haven't lived, what do you talk about? Yeah. Talk about pain.

You know, no pain when you're 20, 21. You know, now I'm a model, you know, model 66. I'm straight up. I was like, as a dad, you must be awesome with dealing with bullies and whatnot because it's like kids. Like, if anybody knows how to deal with this. Yeah, but none of that is happening. You know, we do it like that.

We're lucky where we are. And as a matter of fact, for me, not that I have my little ones looking up to daddy, I've got to walk that straight line, you know. But for a long time, I didn't have new children. I always wanted to have family because I didn't have it. My family was broken. So I thought, well, if I have children one day, I'm going to do it right. And I'm going to be able to live, like, relive that I, what I missed on.

And that's why now when I create and I have my children around, man, the intent behind everything I do is love. It's love for my children. It's love for the world. I love people in general. And the first songs that I started translating, I bought Molly's song. So Bob Molly is my number one, my two go. Had dictionary, the lyrics, the line of notes, the credits, who played what? Because I come from that.

I come from reading the information in the records. Who played what, you know? Have you been to the island? Never one. You need to touch that fan. How do you see yourself explaining to your children when they Google you one day? Like what's the life lesson that when they see like you're in this unbelievable career that you've had and the ups and downs and flows of it. Is it just is it just a story of perseverance?

I feel like it's so much more. You know, after watching that documentary. You know what I did? And I did it for my, I did it. It's funny how things happen in life. But during COVID, my fans were like trying to reach out. And I was like, how am I going to stay in touch with the people, you know? And then suddenly the question keep asking, keep coming, like, hey, how do you stay fit?

How do you stay positive? I know you went through hell, but I'm looking at you now. You're good. And I was like, hmm, yeah, that's right. Maybe I should share because my partner is a health coach. And I'm not doing that on my own. You know, I have someone that, that, you know, of course, my manager before that, you know, helped me go up that mountain. But when I came to Europe, you know, and I'm not.

met my partner and you know she's a health coach and she helped me also deal with like some things that I was dealing with in the health and eating habit and realizing that you know health is really the number one that's what you got to focus on so during COVID people were asking me about explaining what I believe in like how does health play into my my recovery and then because the questions were really good because I used to do this. Q&A and it's called FAPS Fundate blog and I did about 70 episodes from an hour to an hour 40 minutes just answering questions then I said you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna create I'm gonna write down my system because I have a system but I never give it a name

so it's called FAB Millie so because my my family is involved so it's FAB FAB F-A-B Millie M-I-L-L-L-Y and then what I did I created 14 icons I'm born on the 14th so I created 14 icons that I drew and then I went through the list perseverance you know love health breathing and I took the time to write everything very specifically so if you go to Fabri.com it's like hey take this it might help you out and that that's that's but I did that for my children because I did it with them and as I was drawing the stuff I was asked my son my oldest because we go from 10, 7, and 2.

I said, what's that? And he would call out everything. I'm like, damn, because I had this thing and I believe in the here and now, that you can affect the future by being here now. So living in the present, right? I made this, even in the present. So I create this, you know, the icon in Google when you, I'm here. And then my son's like, yeah, now.

I'm here now. You know, and he would always kind of get very close and love is a key. And then he said, yeah, love is the key. In my head, I said, love, you know, in a key to unlock love, and he said, love is the key. I was like, whoa, man. So when children, when we think we raise children, they raise us to turn into whatever we're supposed to become. They make us better. We raise them too.

But then I have to return the favor when they make me better. So all this, you know, that's why I talk a lot about love. And as a kid, sociology was a very interesting subject, how society evolves. Humanity. And I read George Orwell at a young age. And now you see where we are. It's like, damn, we're going there. Like, wow, world is changing.

You know, now we've got AI for it. We got Eminem, but it's not Eminem. It's the AI. Like, what? Right. You know, I mean, now they know people went on strike. The writers finally it's over, but they were fighting because, you know, there was some, you know, AI was going to come over and, you know, if you allow that to happen, it's over.

So I would say, you know, people have gotten, if you look, if you look at the arts, whether it's music, Especially music, because I remember watching Frank Sinatra, I returned Franklin, I realized that when they would go to the studio, they sing once or twice. And then when I would go to the studio, then I realized like, oh, don't worry, we're going to fly it. Like, what? Yeah, we're going to fly it. So, you know, so now when you listen to songs, you do your verse. and the verse could be cut up in so many pieces, and then you fly the chorus,

then you fly the chorus again. So no wonder people get tired of those songs, because there's nothing. So I try to pry myself in trying to sing one of the harmonies in the second verse, a little different little different timbre, so that when you listen, at least I put the intent behind it

and maybe they will read it. They'll have antennas, I'm going to say, oh, I like it. And maybe the spirit doesn't shut down the minute you hear the second chorus, because you heard the first one is the exact same of the second one. You know, so that the world has changed, you know. I have a lot of insight, man. This is important. I don't think I've heard an in-depth interview about you,

because normally people are just so helping on, you know, just like two or three particular years in your life. and you know really don't get into that but it's it's really enlightening to to to hear you say that but the thing is you you know i i followed you and you know i've i've heard what you guys did and what you did for others you didn't do only you did others and and it was always mentioned like oh oh the boats all the band oh okay so you guys are a standard you know and and for me like coming here i know that i can have this on top of conversation. Some are not interested, none of what I'm talking about right now, because it's not relevant to them. They don't get it. So finally, I'm here sitting with you,

and I can explain kind of my journey, because people don't know me as a producer or as a songwriter, but they're about to do it. But it's a process, and I'm sitting on a lot of music, lots of music, because I never stopped. And when I heard Ferell, And when any of you say, don't stop, don't stop, don't stop making, whether or not you sign or not sign you in the box, they hold them down. Yeah. So that one cool right. And I heard that I was like, yeah, yeah, right. And now today with the podcast, you know, I also listen to Rick Rubin very closely.

And he's also, you know, of course, the track record, you know, and his approach is very interesting how. You've used music and how you should go into it. And when I listen to all those things, I was like, oh, man, I'm on the right path. You know, I'm in the right path. I'm not thinking when I do, I just make. I just make. So for you, you've not soured your relationship with music at all. Like this hasn't, none of that you went through has soured you in your passion of music?

No, you know why? because I music was like I said my mother my father my best friend confident because when every time I put music on man I'm good whether I put Bob Marley James Brown Michael Jackson Charlie Wilson all those guys you know it elevate me so I have to listen to the signs and be like yo that's what I that makes me that's going to carry my whole life if I do anything else that I don't like I'm going to be miserable So I gotta just face the music, hang with music. I don't know what's going to happen. But I read this thing where they say, uncertainty is the thorough ground for creativity.

And that is really relevant because when I listen to the masters, you know, like Quincy saying like, yeah, accidents are necessary in a track. True. But also, but also in life. you know falling is good and if you recover it's going to teach you something it's going to make you grow into something that you would have never become if you didn't fall so for me i embrace this whole thing and i and i said i forgive frank far and if i would have stayed because that's that's what i think rob didn't do but he couldn't you know but i forgave i had to forgive you know i had to

I had to forgive this man. I had to forgive myself as well. I had to do that. If I didn't, I'd be going in circle, like, hating myself. And it's about your self-esteem. If your self-esteem is affected, man, you're done. But I was lucky because as a kid, I went to a psychiatrist.

My parents were divorcing, and then it allowed me to express myself. And he told me, go ahead and draw your emotions. So I paint too. And when I was trying to recover fully, I would draw. So on the road, I noticed that things were not right. So I would draw. And I have all of them.

It's like maybe 500 pieces of little papers. But in those drawings, I would speak what I felt. And then I would go back to my room and I would think. I was like, man, I'm going to get out of there. I have no clue. But I know I have to get out. Otherwise, my dream was to become a single songwriter. That was it.

That's what I want to do. But taking that route, like how do I go back the other way and have people say, oh, it's okay, bro. I didn't know where you wouldn't lead me, but I know that my love for music, the love for myself, would take me places and then I would have to just go and, you know, but I believe in a higher power, a power, a divine energy that is there and that nothing is an accident.

Like, everything is meant to happen for a certain reason. For one reason or another, you're meant to go through what you go through. So you think this movie will be the thing to get the rest of the world caught up to where you are? Because I felt that, I felt like after watching this, I wanted to say like I'm sorry and all the things. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a patient man, you know, and I know that it's going to go in installment because for me, through years, I've been putting all my creativity in separate boxes because I do different things.

So I know that like my mom used to say, Each thing in its turn. So, you know, I gotta stay healthy. I gotta make sure that the elasticity of my brain is correct, and I'll be able to work forever. If that works, if everything works, nothing hurts. I'm good, so that means I'll be able to do what I keep doing. I know pop music being on stage is a young and sport.

I know that, but it's one of the reason why it kept me young, because I'm on stage. I perform those songs. I do with a band, I do 75 minutes. With tape shows, I do 40, 45 minutes. And often time, there's no dancers. It's just me. Well, we have any of your original music?

Because I know you ended with you singing, you know, the hit. I'm doing something right now because I'm working on something right now that's going to, yeah. I don't want to talk about it right now, but I'm doing something that's going to close the circle. I'm sure. I'm sure West, I understand what I'm saying by closing the circle. I'm doing this and I'm trying to find the right home, the right label as well.

You know, so I got to make the right moves. Who needs a label? That's what's up. That is what's up. Yeah, it's true. Many ways to go about it, you know, but I know I got some good stuff. I know it because every time I played for peers, they look at, they don't look at me the same. Okay, good, because that's important this time.

Y'all didn't do this the last time. That's a non-nine. That's important. Okay, it's important. Okay. Fab, yeah, I just want to say, man, like, I really appreciate you. One, taking time out, not only to share your story, but just to basically, I'm glad that all of this wasn't done in vain, especially for your partner, Rob. Like, I'm glad you survived this and really got to tell the story.

And, you know, really just got the message out there, like the importance of your health and forgiveness and loving yourself and raising your family. I just think that's beautiful, man. You know, I can't wait for the world to see this documentary. And, and. Yeah. I just wanted to say this. I don't think that anybody has said anything about this as far as this documentary. I wanted to say John David's name again.

You said his name. I know he's past. But I also wanted to say Charles. your name. And I wanted to say that one thing that I noticed in this story was a deep colorism situation about the beauties of blackness. And I just got to say to those brothers, like, much respect and love to y'all. Y'all are beautiful men. Like, I just, I couldn't get that out my head. They were such the opposite of what you guys look like. And it was, it was hurtful that this, this white man decided that that was the beauty that he wanted to put on display because it was closer to

his own face. Exactly. But you know what he did, too? He played us all. And, you know, they have this divide and conquer. So in order to make sure that it will move accordingly, it kept us apart. Kept you apart. Right. Yeah, we didn't know, you know. And as a matter of fact, like in the documentary, when Charles Shaw supposedly

went to told someone and Frank called him to the studio and said, you know, you're out. And this guy, he got his money. That son has been generated. rating, I don't know how much, my dude gets nothing. That's crazy. So you know my, and I feel for him because, you know, I feel, man, I see him in his eyes and I know I'm going to talk to him at some point, you know, because he's in Europe, but, you know, it's been kind of crazy. And with this documentary, he's been also very good for everyone to do it therapeutic. Because how we realize healing and you play to solve against each other.

each other oh my god and then of course charles show you know some people went out to the press and said man those guys didn't sing i understand now but back then i took it like yo you know you know but it was just trying it was a cry for help you know because nobody would listen to them i didn't know how much i'd should ever that's the thing like i want to ask so much about the documentary but what i don't want to do is spoil alerted yeah before that's why but yeah it was it was important to ask that question. Yeah, that's crazy, man. Well.

Thank you. Merci, Bucco. Thank you. Thank you so much for. Yeah, man. I'm so glad that I was able to come here, you know, and that you provided the platform, but also to just ask me the, because, you know, it's about asking when you ask the right question.

When someone asks you the right question, then it allows you in space for you to just like, okay, show yourself. Right. And in time, you know, you're not allowed to, it's very difficult to get a chance to show yourself. And then your show is a place where people go to because they know that, ah, I'm going to see him. That's that, you know, you go here to hear him, to see him for real, because we know you're going to go in. You're going to ask questions. You've got to answer those questions.

And because he cares, Fab. That's a circle back. and because we care. Yeah, we definitely care. Well, thank you, brother. I appreciate it. On behalf of Fantiglo and Sikkim and Umpiebill and Laia, and man, thank you for peace for doing this with us.

Please see the Millie Vanilli documentary. I believe it's on Paramount Plus, is it not? It will be on Paramount Plus streaming here in the States. Worldwide, I'm certain that it's streaming somewhere. But thank you very much for doing this. And we'll see you on the next go-round of Questlove Supreme, y'all. Peace. Hey, thank y'all for listening to Questlove Supreme.

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