The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Macy Gray

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

This week's guest on Questlove Supreme has one of the most distinctive and extraordinary voices of our time. The dynamics and textures of Macy Gray's are, in the words of Quest, "a producer's dream". Since her debut 30 million albums have been sold, she continues to impress us with her acting chops and now she's helping folks who have lost their loved ones to police brutality. But what's her real story? Gotta listen and find out! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Questlove Supreme. I'm your host, Questlove. With me, we have Team Supreme. we have the one and only Sugar Steve Wow

You should be stone Steve What I think you need a new moniker I mean you're Oh I thought you said You should be stone right now Steve I was like You know mission accomplished that

But yeah No stone Steve I think I'm good with Sugar Steve It's a brand now He's made a brand out of it It's like a whole way of life Network I'm good

As long as you still live in This is all I care about You know, living. I'm here, Bill. It's also my house. How's it going? Fantastic. Life is fantastic.

All right. Laya, how are you? Yo, for real, I was real calm. But then I saw her face and I got really happy. Okay. I'm like, I'm excited. Like, yeah. I miss that face.

We've missed the shit out of me. Yeah. Fondicalo. How are you? I can leave. Chill, man. Chiller. Leave and come back.

No, you wait. Hold on. Stay right here. Stay right here. You guys. Get up. all excited again. Just for the whole hour and a half,

just come back and come back in. Ladies and gentlemen, what can I say? Our guest today, well, for starters, she's sold over 30 million units of her

albums. In the last two decades, I believe they're 10 in total. But besides all that, she personally, I will say that she's one of my favorite voices in music. Thank you.

Not in that, oh, I like niche unusual sounding singers, but it's rare to hear any trace of soul or life in such a technically perfect culture that we live in now, where everything is overdone and overwrought and too perfect. Like she has a pulse in her voice, and that's what I always loved about her. Welcome to Quest Love Supreme, Macy Gray. Hello, sweetheart. How you doing? Yay, for us.

Where are you right now? I'm in my bed in Los Angeles, California, sitting on my bed. The internet in my house is best in my room. So when I have stuff like this, I get in the bed. I see. Well, yeah, I'm in my bed too. We thought we were all in our beds, but. Close enough.

We can all get in the bed. Yeah. Wait, before I ask anything, this is what I have to know. So I'm getting my first real, real, real house hooking up right now. Wow. And the one thing that the one idea I'm stealing from you is the idea of the chocolate room. When I first went to your house, you had a room dedicated, all brown. All chocolate, which do you still maintain that in your house?

It's been a while since I've ever been back to your crib. I'm just asking, like, is chocolate room still a thing? I got a chocolate room. But you have to, it's very important. You have to get the paint suaded or else it'll just look like dutum brown. You got to get like a proper painter and tell them you want it swayed. Wow. Swated.

That sounds awesome. That's a thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a thing. Okay. Fly. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, so I was about to say, damn, it's been so long since we've wrapped to each other. You know, now I feel like we're reintroducing ourselves to each other. I mean, of course, in your circle, I always heard people call you Nat, Nat, Nat, but I know that Macy is your stage. How did you, how did you get that name? I never asked you, like, how did you get the name Macy Gray? I saw it on a mailbox. I guess there is a real Macy Gray. So, you know, like that name.

Yeah. It's a old dude in Ohio. You know how like back in the day. So everybody used to make up their name. Like now everybody used to say it. I know, but when I was coming up, everybody had a fake name. Right. Method, man.

Everybody. And so I thought I had to make up a name. So I just, I saw this name on the mailbox. And I was like, you know, that sounds good, you know. I mean, I saw it on a. mailbox when I was much younger, but when I decided to make up my name, I went to that name. Wait, have you ever looked up the actual Macy Gray? Yeah.

I'm sure there's more than one. I mean, the one from the mailbox. Yeah, he lived across the street. Oh. Oh, right. So somewhere your neighbor has told that story least. Yeah. Oh, my God.

A million times that, yeah, she's named after me. Yeah. I knew who he was, but it didn't, like, resonate until I saw it spelled out on a mailbox. It was kind of like you remember in Boogie Knight? And he goes, Dirk Diggler. I saw it in like, Dirk Diggler. It was kind of like that kind of moment. I love the two.

He was boogie nights. Yeah. You need to go steal that mailbox just for your chocolate room or something. Is he still living? No, he passed a few years ago. The name lives on. The name was on. Oh, wow.

Okay. And like, have you, has he seen you since you, Christianed yourself, Bacigra? No, I never ran into him after that, but, you know, he lived on my mom and dad's street and then, and then they moved. But they were never like friends or nothing, but, you know. Oh, okay. He was just the guy across the street, some old dude across the street. So I believe you were born in Ohio? Ken, Ohio.

Okay. I was going to say, what city? Was it? What type of town was it? So Canton, C-A-N-T-O-N, is most known for the Football Hall of Fame is in Canada. That's a sport, Amir. Yeah. Oh, okay, I get it.

Everybody got quiet. I get it. Okay, so. Artsy motherfuckers, that's what we are. I went to school with Marilyn Manson. He's from Canton. Wow. The O-Js are from Canton.

The barges. LeBron's from Akron. Akron's like 20 minutes away. It's like, you know, it's like the next little city over. And then a bunch of people, Steph Curry's from Akron, trying to think, who else? Ohio. Ohio players. I don't even know if it's quietly, but it's definitely the heartbeat of America.

Like, yeah. Okay. Okay, so Steve, explain the sports to me. Why? Why are all the Hall of Fames of Sports in? Ohio. I understand why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is there because allegedly Alan Freed, they claim he coined the term rock and roll, but I tend to think that he just stole it from whatever black person was saying. That's how he coined the term. So that's why I know the Rock

and Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland, but I mean, just in terms of Cooperstown or the football Hall, like why is? Well, Cooperstown's in New York. That's how much I don't know about the sports. But I don't know the actual... Bill's face right now. Like, Bill, I don't think I've ever embarrassed you more. You're pondering your future on this podcast based on that last question I just asked. I mean, yeah, Cooperstown is very much in New York.

But that's okay. Ohio and Upstate New York are similar places. That's how much I don't do the sports. We know. I went to a baseball game with you. Do you remember we ate cheese steaks? It was a big. night for cheese. Did the team lose when we went?

Oh, man. Probably. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm known for that. I'm going to ask you, how's come you don't like sports? Why don't you watch sports? No, it's not that I don't like sports. I just joke that, you know, you can't worship two gods. That's true. For me,

there's music people stick to music and sports people stick to sports. And then some people get really, really defensive when I say that, well, I like sports. and I do music and then behind their backs I'd be like

you're like real musicians stick to me so you you dedicated your life a little harder to music than most in here

so that's not healthy to just love one thing only you know like come on experience a little bit more than that but

hey do you meditate three hours a day I played I played I played I played wolf ball when I was a kid I played kick ball

played dodge ball none of those are real kickball's a real sport. It's a black people kickball is a thing. I'm saying

they're not professional sports. Kickball and roller skating. Yep, that's real. I'm good at ping pong. You're right. Ping pong. Dominole. You're right.

Spade. Tag. Kingball. Spades is a real sport. People get serious on space. They get upset. Have you guys, are you guys keeping up with the, now that they have the

Spades tournament on the poker channel. Shut up. Yeah, it's getting real now. See? We'll talk about that later. I want to know what time. Okay.

Yes, they're now starting spades tournaments on the... It's going to up my game. Can you win money? Yeah, they're playing professionally. Yes, it's about respect on the name. I'm in that. I play one

Spades game in my life with Jill and Lysel and I did horrible and that was it. That was my. You don't play cards? No. He plays trivia. He plays like chess, checkers, anything, dominoes.

See, after watching Queens Gambit, I was going to try. For three days, I was on fire about chess, and then I lost that fire. So, you know, I'll stick at Uno. Uno's fun. Yeah. But Staxies, like, I played ghetto version. Not the. There are so many ways to cheat at Uno.

There are so many ways. Oh, my God. Rabbit holder. Okay. We're never going to talk about Macy's career. Sorry to see. I get offended when white people won't allow the ghetto rules of Uno to stand. And even crazier, Uno once tried to clap back at me on Twitter because I told him like

Staxis are allowed. Yeah, doubles and triples all day, son. Yeah. Yeah. They try to, like, Uno, the Twitter account. of Uno try to correct me and I had to send them. And Black's for to shut that shit down. Yeah.

We took over that game. I'm sorry. Anyway, Mace, what was your first musical memory? My dad, who's whipping my ass because I wouldn't practice my piano. He was getting my ass beat every day. Because I had to practice a half hour every day. And sometimes I would like wait until he fell asleep. And I'll think he was sleeping.

And then I would say, yeah, I practice it. And he would, that I would get out. whoop it if I didn't practice. If you didn't practice your skills? Yeah. Man. So, wait, how old were you when you first started playing piano? Seven.

Was this like a church requirement thing or like just something to do to pass the time? No, it's my mom. My mom had this thing for signing me up for activities so she could go do what she was going to do. That was like my babysitter. So if I was at the YMCA all day, then, you know, I was coming. That was just my mom. Or like after school, I went to piano, and then she would drop me off and she would like go grocery shop.

Like that was her, like, you know, those were all my babysitters. But I learned, you know, I learned how to play the piano. She had me in archery, swimming. I could do anything when I was little. Oh, wow. Okay. You guys didn't have the white mom just dropping you off on Saturday? Yeah, boys and girls.

I had summertime, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basketball gymnastics, yeah. I know. Gymnastics. Forward row. You get dropped off at the Y.

I got dropped off at Hebrew school on Sundays. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Hebrew schools are Y. Same thing. Really? Yeah, we had a Jewish center, and I had to go to that too. Why did you have to go to that?

Because they had, what class did I take? That's why I took swimming. A cleaner Y, a cleaner gym. I took this. That's why I took swimming. lessons. You're right. That's funny. Yeah. Because it wasn't those swimming pool that was nice like that. Yeah. I couldn't go to the 52nd Street Y. I could go to the Jewish Y on Broad Street, but not the 52nd Street.

Exactly. You get your ass beat at the 52nd Street Y. No, that's real. Do you remember the first album that you purchased? The bought with my own money was Purple Rain. As a huge Prince fans. And I... That was your first album. record? First record I bought with my own money. I mean, you know, before that, I was just listening to my mom and dad's records all the time. I didn't, I was playing records. Okay. So even before then, there wasn't like a large record collection in the household. Uh, no, my dad was a huge, all,

he did all day was play, uh, eight tracks. But, you know, I just listened to that. That's what I grew up on. My dad, my mom and stuff was your dad listen to. He was a huge James Brown fan. He thought James Brown was just everything. And, you know, the Isley brothers. And my mom was really into Gladys Night and all that. You know, mostly soul music. And my mother was a huge fan of Elvis Presley. So I knew a lot of Elvis Presley fan, I mean songs,

and I knew a lot of Frank Sinatra. She really liked those two. But other than that, it was all like that old soul stuff, you know, grown people stuff. Did you bring Purple Rain back to them? like did y'all lift the two together? No, I didn't, I didn't, I kind of, so I got really in the prints. When MTV came out, when was MTV, 19, 81, 82, 83, 84.

When MTV was good, between 81 and 85. Yeah, so that's when I got really into like all different stuff. That's when I really got in the rock and roll. I was like a big poised and fan. I like thought it was Van Halen Records. And I got really in the prints. I painted my room purple. And I saw the night I saw Purple Rain.

I watched it. I sat there for three, three showings. I sat there all. Three showings of it? Yep, in a row. What a time to be alive when you would have to sit and watch a movie over and over again.

Thinking that you would never see it again as long as you live. I was obsessed with that movie. Wow. So that was like, you know, my big fanatic is Prince. I'm a print. I wasn't mentioned at the top of the show that the texture of your voice is probably the most, even when you talk, it's a melodic, it's a melodic sounding voice. Like, did you always have this texture in your voice even as a child? Like, was this always like something that stood out from anyone else that was speaking?

Yeah, I always had an unusual voice But you know when you're little and the kids make fun of you So I stopped talking I mean I didn't stop talking It just made me really quiet, made me shy And like I was I didn't want to speak Because all the kids would start laughing So I didn't talk much

So outside of maturity What's the difference in your voice then now? Like was it just way different Or has it evolved into something Had it evolved in something different? Well yeah It grew up with me I mean, it's changed for sure.

And then probably a lot of singing, you know, because I took vocal lessons for a while. And then, you know, when you go on tour, that's like practicing. That's like a two-hour vocal lesson every night. So it's definitely changed. But yeah, I've always had a, you know, funny voice, they call it. Okay.

What was the first, do you remember the first concert you ever attended? Okay, so my mom took me to see Michael Jackson when I was super little, but on my own, it was a Prince concert. Oh, okay. Yeah. She took me to see. And I remember Michael Jackson running through the crowd and everybody, our little girls jumped on him.

And my mom grabbed his cheeks. Really? Oh, like the butt, the bottom? On his face. On his face. On his face. Oh. But let me tell you how funny life is.

So what was that last thing he did? It was like a big MTV. It was like MTV 10 or something. Well, he did something for that, all of his album titles. Yeah, it was invincible. I don't know. It was like an MTV thing. You're talking about the movie he did.

But that's, she's talking about. No, it was MTV. Remember that type of his bodyguards beat up that guy. Oh. Oh, God. That's my favorite moment. The dude from, is he from pulp? Something like that.

At the world. Okay, at the world, you know that award show where it's like the world music awards? Yeah. It feels so like staged. While he was performing Earth song, I think Jarvis Cocker, is he in Pulp, I believe. He decided to run on stage and moon. Michael's performance, you know, like Michael was doing that whole Jesus angelic floating out the sky shit or whatever, like save the earth. And then the guy was just like, this, you know, this bullshit and just ran on stage.

And it became, it became like, what do you call those like Charlie Chaplin chase scenes? Like Keystone cops? Keystone cops, yeah. Yeah, like it was like six people chasing Jarvis Cocker. Michael Jackson's trying to perform do this majestic ending of a song but all you could see was like the the song that should have been

playing the background was sort of like those old timey 30s fly to the bumblebee like just chasing him like they couldn't catch this guy for nothing I don't know what happened but you got beat up really bad but oh they fuck them up

yeah well anyway after it Michael Jackson is He's walking through you. He's walking by here. He has 50 bodyguards. And I took my mom.

And she reaches in and grabs his cheeks. And he goes, hey. He goes, hey, Macy's mom. And then he walked away. No, I'm just glad the bodyguards didn't beat up your mom. That part. You know how moms are. Like bodyguards don't mess with, you know.

Grabbed his face. Like moms, they just don't go there. What Prince tour was the was your first concert? What tour was that? Purple Rats. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. That whole.

And I knew the whole, I'm like, memorized the show. I knew all the moves. What you wear? What you wear, make to the show? Oh, I know I did my hair. I had my, you know, like, you know, the mullet, I know. I know I tried to put my hair over one side. I don't remember what I wore.

But I was trying to get that hairstyle that when they at least. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What was the first Prince tour that you saw Quest? You saw a quest. Okay, so. Wait, this is a pretty simple question. I know.

I just see. This is a two-word question. The first two questions, I had to wrap it up. I had to do some devious shit that I haven't yet to admit to my parents yet. So what? It's okay. You 50. What is the show?

Anyway. Yeah. See you guys. Yeah, technically, technically the love sexy show, but I saw him in 93 somewhere in London. Oh, how old were you? I'm telling Miss Jackie. How old was it? Shut up, lie.

Anyway, Mace. Yeah. What, okay, so what would you, what would you think your come to Jesus moment was as far as you wanting to sing or like, did you form a in high school or any of those things like uh so so i went to USC and um i used to hang out with all the music majors i was in the film school and um and i just gravitated to the musicians because that's you know i know how to pray and uh so you know in college we i would like we would form bands and stuff like that so um so i met this kid right he had a four track i'm giving away my age again he had a four track and he used to write songs and he was super cute and he was like I told him I wrote songs because

I you know just so I could hang out with him you know I was trying to get it. Anyway I got attached to it I started like writing songs and I started you know I really like like you know and so you know when you write a song you have to kind of sing it so the person knows how it goes yeah oh you were writing it for him yeah I was writing songs for his tracks. Yeah, I mean. So you know how, so we had all these little recordings of me having melody ideas on his songs. And then one of his friends had a every Sunday, like little brunch gig down at the Ramada Inn, down by USC downtown L.A. And he needed a singer. And we would all get, we would all get $100 every Sunday. And I had no intention to be in a singer. But when he told me I would get $100, I was just like, yeah, I'll sing it. And so. I started doing brunch every Sunday, money. I couldn't, you know, I didn't know anything about it. And then gave me all these little records, you know, standards to learn.

So I learned a bunch of jazz standards and stuff like that. Okay. And that was the beginning. And then, you know, I got into it. I liked it. So not one person until that moment saw you as a lightning and a bottle moment. Because, like, again, the texture of your voice is like, that's a music producer's dream to capture something that unusual and unique for singing.

Like it just like no one had heard your voice and was just like, Jesus Christ, like we got to get you at least in your teen years up until you went to college. Not once did that moment ever occur. Quest, I was going to say you look exactly like you did when I met you. No. He's got a team of people. people working on that. Injection. Oh,

yeah, I got a team work. Oh, that gave me a headache. Oh, Steve. Oh, Steve. Wait a minute. Mace. Your family's last name is McIntyre? My mom and dad.

My last name is Hans. I was married. Right. I mean, I'm not married anymore, but I was married. I didn't change my name back. But my mom and dad are McIntyres. Yeah.

Good Irish people. And what? Yeah, because my family is McIntyres. Are they from any of the Carolinas or? Yeah, my dad's from the South. Uh, of Georgia, Florida. I don't know if they're from the Carolinas, but I know his family's in Tampa.

Oh, Blackaneers, where? Do you know who won the Super Bowl Quest? Uh, Steve knows. No, he asked you. Yeah, she asked you. You don't know who won the Super Bowl? the Super Bowl, the weekend won the Super Bowl. Tom Brady and the weekend won the Super Bowl.

Tom Brady and the weekend won the weekend. The weekend is not win the Super Bowl. He lost the Super Bowl. Yeah, I didn't like the weekend at the Super Bowl. I thought it was cool. I thought I was tripping. He was tripping. I mean, but I don't think people.

We got some great memes out of it. Exactly. That's all, I think at this rate, if you can get a good meme out of something, like, that's a win, isn't it? Yeah, it's a win. It's like, what magical point, you know, seven seconds can you take from this moment? But yeah, that jack, I just found out that jacket he wore, that red rhinestone jacket that cost three million dollars. What? Yeah, that, that, that rhinestone. Red Rhinestone jacket. It's like hand stitched and...

I know he gave that up to feed somebody. I know he did. Why would that be $3 million? He gave that. He so he did something with that money. Made of, I think made of rubies. Not Rhinstead.

Oh my God. He had to be made of. And it should have... It should have cooked for him and, and exercise for him. Every day. And had his kids for him. $3 million. Well, he wore it at every thing that he's promoted so far for this record.

Oh, that jacket. Okay. The red jacket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, you know, it's a very expensive jacket. What do you think of artists having to pay to do the Super Bowl? I didn't know that artists were paying to do this. Say what?

Wait a minute now. Breaking news now. What's going on now? You have to pay to do halftime. Well, you pay for your own show, which costs him about $5 million. $1. Wow. I don't think he pay, I don't, Lai, I think you're responding to, did he pay to do it? No, they still have to come to you. Like, Jayy organized that. No, I get that part. It's an invitation. They came to him. No, I get that part. Yeah. But, you know, what you want to do to it depends on how deep your pockets are.

They don't have a budget for a show, which she just said was there is no budget for the show. It's like, you can come. I would invite you to come and then you can figure it out, right? Well, there's a limited budget. But if you want more, then that's coming out of your pocket. So, yes, in addition to those, what, two to three million dollars just for that jacket, I think he paid an additional $7 million. What's the, yeah. Okay, so it didn't used to be like that, though. It started with Katie Perry was the first one to pay to do half time. Wow. What was that?

Like three years ago. Yeah. Well, you got to make an impression. And if you, you know, sometimes it works for you. Like, I guess it worked for Jay-O. What's the return on that? What's the return? I was about to say, what's the return on that?

Well, I mean, it's a calculation. No one bashes you. I mean, if you know you're going to make $20 million that night from streaming people streaming your music or something like that, and you spend $10 million, right, you know. Okay. It's probably a scare of money don't make none situation. Okay. So I think at the time maybe he agreed to do it, kind of thinking that it was going to be a victory lap. But I don't think he was expecting to get shut out at the Grammys this year.

So that kind of made it, uh, me, that sort of thing. But, you know, he should have taken the weekend off. There you go, Steve. This is where I would press. That was great. Words of wisdom. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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But, you know, not many people know of Esther Phillips and her catalog like that. But like is, is there, is there a North Star for you? Like someone that vocally that you admired, not in a prince, I'm a Prince fan way, but like as far as you're singing. There was a lot, you know, I think when you're into music, you listen to a lot of different singers. And, you know, you can learn so much. So Billy Holliday is, what's so magical about her is you can,

you can understand every word she says, you know. She's not like, she's not going to get Whitney Houston and belt out some crazy note. But, um, so I learned from her to get my words in there, you know. And then, uh, so like from like, like I told you, I liked, uh, what's his name? David Lee Roth from Van Halen. And like I learned from him. I learned from him.

Diamond Day. Yeah, but I can scream because of him. Also. Oh, so. And then you listen to like, uh, hip-hop, like Biggie, like you learn to sing on rhythm, like, learn to hit the beat. You know what I mean? So there's all these lessons.

And I'm still learning, you know, I'm trying to think. Chaka Khan, you know, or somebody like Prince is interesting because he did so many things with his voice. Like he could go, wow, wow, yow. Digi, you will, the pitch. And then he could do the falsetto. So I learned from him to try, you know, experiment with my voice. voice and and hit high notes and stuff like that, you know. Do you prefer singing in a lower range or a falsetto range?

No, as you know, there's a head voice, your chest voice. I've learned to not have to use my throat. So I got all kind of voices. Okay. As a non-singer, I'm going to ask this question. Is that really important? Like I know vocal, trainers or whatnot are real big on like sing from your diaphragm, singing from your diaphragm, but

why, why, why are most people that teach people to project, uh, be it acting coaches or singers, why are they so insistent on singing from your diaphragm and not your, uh, throat? Because it takes the, the work off of your throat because your, your vocal cords will wear out a lot faster than your, your stomach, you know. That's preservation. A proper singer can sing from, like I can sing from my cheeks. I can do all kinds of stuff. But yeah, the idea is to use your throat as little as possible

because your vocal cords can wear a lot faster. There's a lot of canceled shows, stuff like that. I was going to ask if you're, when you were actively touring, like how much damage would have to occur for you to cancel a show? because even if you have a slightly horse or slightly scratch, it sort of goes into what your tone already is, but... No, I swear, I've only canceled two shows in my whole career because of my voice.

One show I missed because of, you know, a couple shows I miss because of the weather, but my voice, I got like, I call myself super vocals because I like... And when I, when I canceled, it was all karma against seal. It really wasn't my fault. But he was so awful to me. And I think I messed my, that guy just reached down and it was like, you don't have to take this shit. And he took my life. I love beef alert.

Say what, sis? Seal. Samuel Seal. Wow. Yeah. A seal. The seal in the ocean. No, but he was, I opened for seal for a couple weeks and it didn't go well.

And that was the only tour that my voice, my voice ever. punked out of me. Why didn't go well? He's just, you know, just we just didn't connect, you know, wasn't, you know, we didn't go like that. But you know, when I, when I opened for the roots, that went great. That was my first, my first tour, you guys, the roots. Wow. Yeah. Shout out to Doran Beckman. When's the last time you wrapped at Doran or Steffey, formerly known of Star 69. One used to be in the Jazzy Fat Nasty's before they went down to a duo.

But the one's the one that put me on to you. Oh, really? Oh, man, she stalked. She stalked me. Like, I gotta let you. Because the thing was, I was so over the top, excited for when the Jazzies were on Tommy Boy, as a foursome, when Jay Swift was producing them.

It's like the next to Slum Village. That was like the demo I was the most excited about ever hearing. No offense, Fonte. I love you too. I want to hear this demo. Me too, me too. Yeah, so I think knowing the excitement I have for the jazis, she like hit. I remember her hitting me at like, it was past minute.

It might have been 1 a.m. and I was in L.A. I think it was like right after a house of blue. show. She's like, I'm driving over to play you this. And I sat in her car and listened and like, I was like, who the hell is this? And yeah, like, Dorn was like, you're, your, your biggest champion. So I didn't know that. Shout out to Dorn Beckman. We're still buddies. Send her my love. I haven't talked to, I don't know if she's on social media or anything. I haven't talked to Dorn in like 10 years, maybe 20. Oh, God. I keep, I'm in denial about what year we're living in. I like to.

Yeah, I'll say like a few years back thinking I'm talking about like 2004, 2005, but no, that's a whole 20. This is the year you're all talking about? Is that when the tour was, 2004? Well, for her tour, it was 29. 2000. 2000. Wow. The ID came out in 2001.

So I'll say 99. Yeah, you're right. Because it was before my, I told with you before my record broke. Wow. Yeah. She did. You remember that time you, I don't know, maybe you were on tour with Dave Matthews. It was in Boston.

Yeah. And you were drummerless. Yeah, I was thinking about that yesterday. You called me on a whim and I tried to get up there, but it was like the weather was just hard. Did you do a drummless show that night? No. No, I forget what we did, but I thought about that yesterday. I was like he was so cool.

He was going to fly out and do my show. Because you were on tour too, right? Yeah, I just never casually. I mean, that's the first time where it was just like, hey, I'll be right like going out to get cigarettes. Like, hey, I'll be right back. I'm running in Boston real quick to play for Macy at the stadium. Yeah, but see, that was like before I knew how, you know,

how everybody was and how the music business was. So I didn't think it was, you know, I'm used to being on the streets in L.A. playing the rock seat. And, you know, I'm used to saying, Hey, will you play drums for me tonight? So I didn't know like that was a big request, you know. Because I tell people that they're like, had it not rained. Are you crazy?

They're like, you asked Quest to come fill in for you. Are you? I was like, I mean, but I didn't know. That's the type of person I am. I like working. Can we talk about lessons? Because, you said that your first time going on tour was with the roots. So like, of course we know their ultimate showmen and whatnot.

But so what were some of the lessons or things that you learned? since that was your first experience? Well, it was my first, like, real, you know, run. And we watched the roots every night. So my band was really, I remember my band was really fascinated with the roots. And they wanted to have that kind of synergy. And I remember that. And then I remember partying a lot.

You partied a lot because that was my first time, and I just went crazy. Yeah, why not? Yeah, and I remember, you know, I remember drinking a lot and just having a really good time. I don't know if I was focused on learning, but my band was like, you totally like, but actually, no, it was actually taught us how to tour.

Like, it was my first tour, and I learned how to go from city to city and get on stage every night. And, you know, you have to learn how to talk to your crowd. You know, a lot of artists don't get that. You really have to have a conversation with, because if you just stand up there and sing and they're not engaged, we hate that.

Yes, I remember really learning about being with different crowds because you play in New York, it's a different crowd than when you go play in, I don't know, St. Louis, you know. So I remember learning how to adjust. I remember that because that was my first time ever had to do that. If I recall correctly, Yeah. I think is, did you tell me that, um, not that Epic wasn't your first choice, but you,

you had a record deal before you signed the Epic? Yeah, I was on Atlantic, um, like three years before my epic deal, but that, but that, but that second never came out. Val, what was his name? No, no, no, no. Val didn't sign me. He was the president at the time, but the guy who signed me was Tom Carillon. Okay.

I was thinking it was, uh, who's our guy, uh, social justice? Craig? Well, not Craig Kelman. Brad. Yeah, I was just like I was thinking about Jason Flah. Okay. No, I met with Jason. He turned me down.

I met with him though. What? When he had lava, does he still have lava? He still has lava. Yeah, he called me in, though. Jason was my first record label meeting ever. Oh, okay. Okay.

He got my demo tape. So what, what happened in the, uh, Atlantic situation that didn't work out that led you to Epic. I got pregnant. And they didn't know. And my A&Rle came to the studio and then I got dropped like right after. Yo, remember when that was the thing? They could not they could do that, but I can't believe that.

For decades. Like, remember in the 50s and 60s? Oh, God. No, but even in the music world, like, why is life over once you, no I'm saying like why would life be over in terms of the record label saying well she's pregnant now so let's drop her because men run labels yeah there you go I mean still most most artists have babies way later actresses yeah a lot of girls don't want to mess their body up though it's not always and why do they not want to mess their body up when they can sing because

why is that that's just crazy to me that I mean was that their exact reason or did they make up an excuse? I assume they made up an excuse. Yeah, they made up an excuse. Oh, okay. That's what you meant. That's, they just told you like, okay, well, you're pregnant, so this is over. Goodbye. Yeah. Yeah. When you, that's what they thought you meant. The label, they can't work you as much as they could, you know, that's the thinking. You know, I mean, once you have a kid, it's like, oh, well, whatever we had planned for you to touring and the studio and the running back and forth just all the time, you can't. That's no longer a possibility. Yeah.

It's fucked up. But, sir, if you just had a kid, come on, let's go. Because you know, you ain't got to stay home. You got to eat you. You got to make that money. Exactly. So did you get, when you arrived that epic, how much control were you given as far as

the direction you wanted your project to go? Not a lot. I mean, we had written the songs. Most of the songs on that first album, We were on my little demo tape that they heard. And then, but they hired this producer, Andy Slater. Oh, Slater. Okay.

Yeah. So his concept, he wanted to do, because the demos were strictly like beats and, and, you know, with, you know, bass program, you know. So he wanted to do, his concept was to do a R&B record with live instruments. and I had no idea what that was all about but I was just, you know, I went with the floor we had a lot of fights. There was a lot of fights for me and him

because I was used to things the way I wanted it. Like I wanted a tuba on one song and he had a fit. Really? Yeah, he just, you know, I think he had a really clear vision and I think he felt like he knew what he was doing. So it was very, you know, draining for me

making that record. But once it was done, you know, I liked it. And then and then it grew on me. I really, I really liked it, you know, much later. I'm really dismayed that they didn't put a lot of muscle behind do something. Because I always felt like out the gate. And again, I heard do something that her cover of Outcasts is get up, get out and get something. I instantly heard that.

I was like, oh, this is going to be across the board hit. Like, this is, I can't, I can't miss situation. And was it just that, I mean, they didn't know how to market it or properly work it or even get Outcast to do the remix or something like that? Like, I just felt like it was such an easy alleyup shot that really didn't get maximized. Yeah, that was an interesting time because, uh, okay, so someone got that, someone, I don't know who, put it all together, but they felt like it was really important for me to go to the urban audience first. They felt like if I skipped over and went straight to I try, I wouldn't have that base or whatever.

Like I said, this is the time I knew nothing about the rest of the business. So they did put out, do something first, but it was kind of put out as a setup track for them to just get me out there. And then, and then, but they couldn't wait to get on I try. So I don't know if they didn't give it the time it needed or it was just, you know, just kind of set me up and get me in all the papers and stuff. And then they went on the I try and then that was that was that, you know. So I don't know. Like I didn't know, like I said, I didn't know what's going on.

They were like, you know, show up on 42nd Street and I'll be there. I was just having fun, you know. Yeah, well, I'll say I'd try. Well, now that it's two decades old, what is your relationship with the song? Do you, is it a thing where it's like, okay, I dread having to still do this this long into my career? Are you comfortable with still people coming up like, oh, that's my song? You know? No, I love that song.

I just hate that. Some people only know me for that song. I hate that. Yeah, I hate that. But no, you know what, though, you guys, I still don't. don't get it. I know it sounds stupid, but like I do my shows and people like still scream on that song. They still get up. They know every word, every ad lib, every beat. We still have to do it on the end. Right. Your last song. Because I still don't get what I'll fuss is about. I mean, it's a good song, but I still don't get like classic song from 20 years. I had no.

If I wouldn't have ever put money on that. No way. My theory. My theory. My theory. My, theory on I try was this rich my manager rich and I had this conversation and we said if i try is probably the best

song that Al green could have maybe recorded or attempted to do in the aughts in 99, 2000 if you were allowed to like it just it was a very

very, I don't know, it's like an authentic, kind of, you know, it was it was, it was drift in sort of an authentic soul cloak that I think resonated with a lot of people. And, you know, and it took off. Like, was it, was it exhausting at some point? Because, you know, there was some point where like literally every commercial, every, I record was everywhere. It ran V.A. Allie McBeill. Any of those notebook type of romantic comedies like, as I try. Yeah.

Like in your head, like what was, all right. So what was that rush like once you hit jackpot? Oh, it's amazing. You know, you get to see the world and everybody's, you know, sweating you and giving you free stuff. And, you know, you say boo and they, they get all excited. And, you know, you make a lot of money. And, you know, people look up to you.

It's cool. I know people complain about fame, but I refuse. I enjoy it. I mean, there's other stuff. You know, that was the first time I, like, you know, did mushrooms and, you know, stayed up for three days. I mean, a lot of stuff goes along with that. But, you know, I did a lot of shopping, things I couldn't buy before. I had a ball.

What's life like, I was going to ask you, when you talk about fame, what's life like for you now? Is it still, you know, like crazy like that? Or are you able to go to Trader Joe's in peace, you know? Oh, yeah. You know what I find is when you roll out alone, nobody really bothers you. But when the people take out eight bodyguards and they say, oh. You're drawing attention. Yeah, but when you roll out, especially now in a mask, even though it's crazy, people recognize me with a mask.

I don't get that. So, but yeah, I go to the store all the time. I mean, it's cool. It's not, no, it's not nearly as crazy as, uh, It used to be, but I still, I still tour a lot. And I love touring. That's like my heaven. How did you manage to maintain all of that and then still be mommy to three babes?

You know, I'll just lock them in the closet when I'm gone. I'm afraid to ask this question. How old is Happy Down? 23. God damn, no. Yes. Shit is real, man. Is that your oldest or your youngest?

That's my youngest. My oldest is 25. Wow. You remember Lisa and Mel? Yes. Like in my mind, your kids are still three. Yeah. He came home and wanted a drum set out there.

Wow. Wait, Happy's like a past college now? Yeah, she has one more year. She took some time off. She's a photography major and she got an internship. And now she's going back to finish. And it's so in line. It's such a drag.

I feel so bad for her. for students. I'm so glad I'm not in school. They're old. I'm sorry, that threw me for a loop year. I wasn't ready for it 23. I thought you were going to say like 15, 14. Like, oh, yeah, happy, he's about to start high school.

Have they been around during this COVID time? Like, are you guys in vicinity, close to tenity to each other? Yeah, at first, when I first started, my mother was here. My mother has cancer, so everybody was extra careful not to really do too much. But now, I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to, you know, keep that up. It's been a year.

It's hard to sit around the house again and, you know. You got Generation Z babies. I know they're just like, I'm going out. Yeah, I did tell them no company, you know. But now, you know, I come home some time and it's a little, you know, straight, straight people. She's coming. Mama going. I know.

I'm in the closet. Get in the closet. Okay. So, okay. Now, I have a question. My, of your catalog, and I'm not being biased. Like, the id was always my favorite. Thank you.

And of course, I know about the, do you, do you subscribe to the, to the 9-11 jinx of, of all those records in case y'all don't know, like there were at least 17 albums that were released between September 11th, 2001, and like the subsequent week, like September 17th, of which, you know, because of where the country was during that time period, you know, a lot of albums just fell by the wayside, kind of just landed and with the exception of like the blueprint.

But you know, everyone, like Mariah's glitter, like everything, movies, everything. Did it disappoint you that or, you know, did Epic not at least try to like do a re-release or just, you know, in time? Like, why did they just let? I thought that album was so brilliant. And, you know, it's due to unfortunate timing.

But what were your feelings of it at the time? And also, why wasn't, I'm so mad, you made Shed a hidden track and not. that was the tuba track dude that's the tuba track I was telling you but I had a bit of my all time I still play shed in my DJ sets now

like oh thank you shed's my shit but it was a hidden track so like why why did they at least try to revive it or did they just say like look just go back in the studio and start the

what's the next one the trouble with being myself like to start on that. But what was the, what was the situation at the time? Yeah, I think, I think the label was disappointed. Like I said,

I was still chilling, you know, but people forget, I sell most of my records overseas and I sold four million copies that I record in Europe and the UK. Okay. But I know here,

there was kind of a, you know, what do you call it? Not a letdown, but, anti-clad, whatever. You know, because they hyped it up. There you go.

They hyped it up and it didn't do as well as they wanted it to. But it did well. I think if it weren't for 9-11, it would have been a different story. But yeah, not a lot of it. Now I get to ask you this. COVID messed up a lot of records. Yeah. Yeah.

Wait a minute. It just hit me. This is what I always wanted to know. Okay. So when you were promoting, when you were promoting. when you were promoting the id there was an interview and vibe magazine

do you guys remember this at all give me more I'm waiting for the yeah it yeah there was no but it was but I didn't know read vibes so I'm like

but I feel because the thing was because there wasn't because it wasn't social media you know even though it was 2001 and we were like definitely living in social media esk times but I just remember how people responded.

I think Marco, Margo Watson, who... I cannot believe you remember that. That is insane. I do. You know what? My obsession is I remember every attempted takedown article of any black artist that I ever, you know,

loved or that sort of thing. Is that one of the AUX, right? M-A-R-G-A-U-X, Margo? I know her. I think she's a music executive now, but back when she was a journalist, I mean, she did a Q&A with Macy and Vibe, and I think that people were just, like, thrown off by the interview and...

But that she screwed me because it was, she wasn't a Q-N-A. She came over in my house, we hung out for two days. Right. I thought she was like my best friend by the time. It was all right. Good peeps, or... Yeah. So I thought.

I'm telling her like, like I just told y'all, you know, I went over there, I did mushroom and I, you know, I'll kiss somebody. You know what I mean? I'm talking to her like, she's my girl. Even though she wasn't, that could have been my mistake. And then she puts it all in the article. And I just, I didn't know that she would do that. So that's just something I learned the hard way. But, you know, you just can't be telling people stuff like that.

But I gave her a proper interview, but she took all the stuff I told her. Off the record. Yeah, off the record. I see. Like she said, so, have you ever blah blah? And I said, girl, you know. Right.

It would have been like her talking just to you like you. So it could have been sister girl bonding, but instead it, you know. But in her defense, she sent me the actual article that she wrote because I called her right away.

And her, whoever the editor was, at the time totally just picked out those parts. Oh. Because the article she wrote wasn't that bad. Like the things that were, you know, not so. Right. You know. So godly.

I know the editor too, and I got beef with her too, but I'll be nice. Yeah, she totally. I don't know why she came after me like that. But it wasn't all, Margot, her article, I wish I still had it. I think I do. But her article wasn't that bad. Like if her article had been published, it wouldn't have been that bad. Right.

I see now. Okay. I always wanted to know like what. Yeah. Because I knew like people were throwing off and then like you didn't hear anything about it. But I always wanted to know what you felt about. Yes, so I begged my label to let me speak on it and they thought if I, if I said anything, I would bring attention to it. But I was like, everybody read it already.

I don't know. Oh, more attention to. Yeah. Would y'all, just random question now that you said that, I'm like, would y'all trade coming out there? to now in a social media era? No. Okay, because I mean, if it was social media, you could have just said what you needed to say, right?

Yeah, no, not. No, but let me say, because back in the day, we made, we made a lot more money. We had a lot more fun. Okay. These guys are sitting here all that word about their post, like we were out partying, you know.

True. Having fun, selling records, you know. But I also think, I don't think that there was anything that scandalous in the article. So I think in this particular case, if Twitter were a thing in 2001, it probably, you know, probably could have been cleared instantly. Whereas like, because there was no explanation of it and just it was left out there in the, you know, kind of there in the atmosphere that it just caused a lot of confusion at the time. Yeah, it was that really hurt me.

I was down about that for a long time. It took me a while to get over that. Yeah. I see. Because, you know, it's not always just you. It's like when your mom reads it, you know. Right. And your family and they're looking at you sideways, like, girl.

Right. Also during this time period, you were, you know, getting your acting chops on. Mm-hmm. Especially with, like, I think you did Idaho Wild. Yeah. Like I Juana Blues. You did Spider-Man. Oh, you did training.

Oh, yeah. Especially training day. Yeah. What was training day like? It was wild because, okay, so I'm in the studio. And my manager said, Antoine Foucai wants to stop by and meet you. So I didn't really know who he was. And I was like, okay, whatever.

And then he goes, you know, I want you to be in my movie. So I thought, you know, something was wrong with him because I don't have any. acting background. I had no interest in acting. And then he goes, you know, let's, so he hung out at the studio. And then he said, let's go to dinner tomorrow. So we went to Mr. Charles. And he's sitting there and he's telling me all about his movie. And then he says, you know, yeah, and, and the guy that's playing this character is Denzel Washington. So I was like, what? You know, so then I got all into, you know, then I was called my manager. I was like, yeah, I want to do that movie. And then, you know, I got serious about it eventually. But at first, I was just, you know,

just putting my heart out because I had no skill or background in acting. So that was all hard. You know what I mean? It's trying through. I really, I really enjoyed watching you as an actress. And I always wondered if you had plans to do more because you really, you really pop on screen. Thank you. But he's cool. I went to his trailer and he gave me some advice. He was very, I forget the name of his character. What was his character's name?

Scary. No. Not Lonzo. It was Lonzo. It was Lonzo. Oh my God. Fucking Lonzo. Fronte is the most memorized.

Like, Fronte's a walking IMDB for every actor, for every character. But he was very much in character. He was like, it was like in his eyes. It was kind of scary. What was his advice? He said, if you don't know what to do, just be you doing your part. That's what he does.

That's hilarious. So wait, he had the same character that whole time to not break it or? Yeah, he was in the trailer. He had this look in his eyes. I'll never forget. Wow. And he was watching a Ken Burns documentary on, And was it on Thelonius Monk?

And I think he felt like that's... Where's Steve at? I think that's what his character would watch. But he had the whole set and he was just watching documentary after documentary in his trailer. Steve and my relationship is based on Thelonious Monks, the Kim Burns-Tolone's Monk documentary, by the way. Yeah, that's wild because that's what he was watching.

Training Day was project number what for you? That was my first movie That was your first Then I did La Cawana Can I ask you about filming in Philly And doing Shadowboxer And their role And working with Lee Daniels

Yeah That role that you played Even in dying Just Oh no Yeah Yeah Can you talk about that

And how that came about And what was it like Doing working in Phyllis? Yeah, well it was the same Lee came to see me And that, you know That was Lee's first directing.

He had produced Monsters Ball, but that was his first directing and, was that the one he worked on with Damon Dash? Yeah. Okay.

Damon gave him the money, yeah. And so, Lee is funny, though. I seen the clip. I went to a party with Lee and Lee is like, he'll just walk up to people and say, I'm making a movie.

This was way back when he was starting out. I'm trying to make this movie. you got their money like seriously like Philly all day yeah he's the original Kickstarter like door to door like excuse me

like he wouldn't care and I've never seen that before no fear and he raised the money but that is very much a Lee Daniels thing that's my favorite Macy roll yeah oh really wow yeah I just

yeah so we hit it off and then I did the movie yeah he's cool But you didn't answer Infante asked Are you planning on Getting jumping back

Into a little bit of acting I know you got an album You're working on and whatnot But what about the acting Yeah my record is coming out And then I'm doing a movie in October And then I got a horror flick coming out In April

I did my first horror movie Oh really With who With who? This new girl Her name is Jess Farley Just Varlie Just Varlie

She's only 26 It's her first movie Okay I got a sick mind It's actually pretty good. It's shot really, really good. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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or I don't even know if you know what how, how virus. this moment was, but do you have any memories whatsoever of the New Year's Eve night of 2013? That whole Jamie Kennedy thing with Bone Thugs in Harmony and you and whoever else was on that show. Have you guys ever seen this clip at all? It's a hell of a setup, if you don't remember what it. Oh, my God.

I feel like you would be like, and there were bichets and like, no, you guys don't. this you know again was this 2000 I think it was 2011 2011 2012 whatever it was um if the only way I can describe it is if um if the white version of funky finger productions from a living color if they were allowed to throw Dick Clark's rockin' New Year's Eve special but but kind of with the finesse of like Wayne's world um like public access

So it's one of the things where like, you know, the host doesn't know the camera's on him. And they'll be like, why told the bitch you give me some fried chicken? Huh? Oh, hey, ladies and gentlemen, how are you doing? Like, there's a lot of that, a fist fight breaks out on stage over two drunk girls. A bone, you know, a busy bone was in rare busy bone moment. And if, oh, you don't even know my band got robbed. Wait.

That night? Yeah. That's not even Yeah, I was going to say it, just, just Google Jamie Kennedy New Year's Eve special, Los Angeles.

But I'm doing right now. It's one of the greatest. I think the version that's on the internet now is sort of a condensed, like maybe six minute version, but the entire production is, and like Macy counts down to midnight and it's still like maybe like 1104.

Oh, four. She's like, Where's the start to Caldell? She's like, three, two, one. And the producers are like, no,

Macy's not even midnight. He's like, well, so just act like it's new year. Happy New Year. And then, you know, like it,

it was so horrible that I knew, that I knew. It was like MacArthur, McGarthur genius levels of, of just excellence. That's how bad it was. It was the best thing

I ever seen in my life. Oh, yeah. It's called to fail on a couple of the videos. Oh, wow. You got to watch it. I mean, I think I discovered after seeing if there were any more busy bone moments that need to be witnessed besides his, I'm saying this lightly, his drunken rant, but it wasn't alcohol.

And they had us in the same dressing room. Well, there was like a big room, but the room, and there was like a little divider between us. That ain't enough. So you weren't aware that this was like a highly viral moment for. the internet? No, we first of all, we were super drunk. Everybody was drunk. But I didn't know, I've been drunk on New Year's Eve and done shows great.

I didn't know it was going to go. Yeah, it wasn't the drunk part. Yes, there was a lot of drunk parts, but it was just like the production was horrible. Everything was janky. The, you know, the jokes weren't landing. The host didn't know where he had to be. It was horrible. It was horrible. I can't

believe you remember that. It's my favorite thing to watch. Like, I'll say three times a year, I'll three times a year I watch that shit that is hilarious do you have memories of doing

the fail out project with us I do I tell everybody about that that was another time and you just called me up and you're like hey come down and you know nowadays

and people say that you gotta call your manager and you got your assistant has to but it was just like okay and I came down

and we did it and that's the night I met DiAngelo and I'm I consider that the last night of voodoo like that was the closed chapter of it. But he was he was really impressed.

Like he knew he knew of you but you know I think after the session when you and him did the vocal session together. Yeah. He hit me up like yo man. You know I really fucks with her man. I didn't know. He probably the next day. I know that like he was really. I think he was like kicking himself that he didn't

at least jump on the bandwagon before or what you know like two years earlier because I mean this was 2000 now but like he was really kicking himself that he didn't pay attention in 98 when he should have been paying attention like he didn't realize like yo like she has chops like I fucks with it like that but yeah but then I never heard from him again he was like yeah let's do saw him and I never heard nothing. Yeah, well, you know, his next album came out 15 years later, so. I'm not laughing at that. That's true.

I never thought about that. Can you talk about working with, why did, why did you choose Dallas Austin when you did the trouble with Be and Myself album? Like, what, how was your working relationship with him in the studio? Um, so that was, that was different. that was the first time like Polly Polly Anthony she was ahead of the label

and he had me, I know I know. Where's Polly at, man? Polly passed. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, bo Polly Anthony died? Yeah, a while ago. I didn't know that. Shit. Oh, damn. I didn't know that. Fuck.

Yeah. Damn, I'm sorry you hear that. I know. No, Polly was the chance, like, or the last, of a last of a I won't say the Mohicans but definitely the last of a breed. Damn. So she paired you two up? She had me like meet producers like because my first two albums I just decided who I wanted and well Andy kind of came in but but it wasn't a choice. She just said Andy's going to produce your record. So I was like okay. So but this is the first time I like set with producers and they played me stuff and so you did not want to work with

Anthony on this record. With Andy? No. No. No. We just had. No. I mean,

he's a great producer. We just thought. It's too much like fire. Like, fought all the time. So I met with Dallas and Dallas was like, um, he just kept talking about how much he loved,

you know, the songs that I had and blah, blah, blah. He just kind of juiced me up and I felt for it. Like, okay. That was it. Was it not, was it not a pleasant experience or were you not pleased with the outcome of those songs that y'all did together? No, we, we have fun.

He's hard to, it's hard to get him to sit, you know. He's very, we were much younger at the time. So we both just had a lot going on. And so it was cool. We got it done. But I think he got a. upset with me because some of his ideas I didn't like. And, you know, there's always a first. So that was like the first time I had been in with

somebody like him and I didn't, you know, like now I would handle it totally differently. Right. I also think with single choices, man, like for that album, like, come together, I felt would have been the song. And, you know. Oh my God. The fact that you know that song is so Macy, I'm an actual fan of yours. Like, I'm not just like, oh, yeah, I know her and she's singing as I try. Like, I know your entire discography. Trust me. I know your stuff.

Well, then, okay, so what I, well, first of all, shortly before she pat, well, I mean, she passed in 2016, but what was it like working with Natalie Cole? I know that she was on, you used her on the big album. Yeah. What was it like? But even more than that, I got to know what's it like working with Ron Fair? Like in my mind, and I hope I don't get, you know, you don't ever want to rock the boat of Ron Fair or Jimmy Ivan when you talk about them. But, you know, Ron always, when I think of like when they talk about like a suit, you know, like when there's a suit in the room and people like trying to be creative, like, that's Ron. And Ron, like, he infamously told Will I am, this is when Will was pondering whether or not to put Fergie in the group or not.

And Ron says, well, you know, look, I know you guys have your fantasies of being like the roots, but, you know, you could either be like the roots or you can win and sell some units. What do you want to do? Wow. That was, no, but I'm not offended because that's how Ron, Ron's just cutting dry. Like, yeah. Yeah. He always gives you his unsolicited opinion. Like, if you guys just had a girl in the group and, you know, you guys will win too.

And I'm trying to tell him, like, you know, just winning isn't just like, that's not my life goal, just to win, that sort of thing. But what was it like working with him on this album? He's very, you know, precise and, you know, everything was really. really big orchestral and thought out and stuff like that. And, you know, he's Ron Faire. He was always really nice to me. I hear a lot of horror stories, but he was always really nice to me.

I see. Oh, I don't know. It was cool. But, you know, I did, I will did that. Yeah, well, I knew it was on his label. I don't know how much he produced it. There's one joint on there that I loved. He did most of it.

There's one joint on there I loved. Called OK. And I always wanted to. know if the Neptune's had anything to do with that or um justin timber like wrote that song there you go okay i felt i felt there was like at least a one degree to feral in there so rare yeah the way the bridge sounded and all that i was like you know this but you know because we were past the the the cd era i never once looked up the the credits and whatnot so macy i want to always going to ask you about the song Love Won't Wait

of the Black Out Piece first album. That was my favorite song on that album, and I loved your performance song. Do you have any memories of doing that song? No. Or the session for it. It's always like that. Honest.

All right. I don't. In your mind, do you have memories? Like the favorite collaboration moments, though? Because you've done so many. I mean, even Amir asking for about Natalie Cole. I forgot, like, I forgot all about that. But are there some memorable ones in your head to stick out the most?

Stick out the most. Probably I did a record with Robin Thick and then he left to go out to dinner and he never came back. Wow. Speaking of DeAngelo. He says to do a duet and he never finished the record. And y'all never spoke after that ever. I mean, I run into him. Okay.

And it was a Ron Fair record we were supposed to do. And he just came back. Oh. He didn't hear a record. That's not a record. You, you, um, you gave, I think you gave, uh,

you gave hip boy one of his first looks. Like how did you, how did you choose him? Um, especially before, you know, his, his blow with niggas in Paris and all the other stuff that he did. Yeah.

He was at the record plan. I was at, the record plan and he was with um i forget but he came in my room and they just said hey you know i'm a producer and you know blah blah and then i i call him to see what he had and we worked together you know he was just hustling but i always i keep my eye out for like i i listen to everything like people come up to me and because you just never know you know what i mean so when people want to play me stuff i sit down and listen you just said that out loud you really mean it because you know No, she just said that out loud.

So I mean, if it wasn't happening before, now people listening like, okay, cool. I feel comfortable just handing me. But that's how I met for, Farrell, actually. I did a record with Farrell. He was 19 and nobody knew who he was, not really. It was me and guru. It's a record call. Yo, that's right.

It was on the Jasmine tag. It was all I said. That was all I said. Yeah. All I said. Yeah. I forgot. All I said.

Right. It was jazzmataz. Is that jazzmataz one? The street saw one. The street saw one. It was the one was certified. Certified. I was just about that side.

I told him. I forgot you were on that record. Yeah. They were like, there's this new kid and Farrell. I mean, you know, and I went to the studio and it came out cool. He was out, but not like he wasn't Farrell yet. Farrell, Ferell. Yeah, just he still had the mustache.

Yeah. He didn't have a mustache. Yeah, he's still with a mustache. I always wanted to know this. And I've never heard this before, but how, what was the idea of covering the entire talking book album by Stevie Wonder? Whose idea was that?

That was, okay, you know how, how Willner? He's the, he used to do the MD. I don't know. Yes, so, me and Steve. Me too, I love him. So he had this idea. He was like, nobody's ever covered a whole album.

And then he had some ideas. And then Talking Book is like the one album I know backwards and forwards. I know every word, every beat. So we did that. When I was on this little label and I could do whatever I want. So we just, we just wouldn't this real dance. Okay. It was fun.

But then you followed it up with it. It was house style, though. Everybody's plugged in. But then you followed it up with. another cover album. Like, what was the logic behind that? Well, I mean, covered, was at least half cover. Was covered all covered songs or just? No,

it was all covers. Okay. Some that were obvious hit singles and some that were like cool album cuts. Yeah, I was on this little label and, and my manager didn't think I should like give him any big records or something. I mean, I probably shouldn't have announced that. But, I was, I thought, I feel like the whole goal is to shoot your shot, like no matter what. Yeah, no, not.

In some cases, you should shoot your shot, not always. But they were this little label, and my manager didn't think they were capable of, like, you know, properly promoting a song. And so he was like, you should just do covers and then let's get up out of there. And so we'll just stick covers. But some of my favorite songs of mine are on that record. I know I shouldn't have said. No, it's just honesty. I take it back.

I take it back. You guys, give me another excuse. We still got some good songs. It don't really matter. It's like, good. I was like, let me download this covered. I didn't even know about that. No, cover it has some good records on it.

Of your canon, what's your favorite album? Probably, definitely my first one, the Ed, and then my last one I love, I did a album called Ruby. That I think is really. I need to go back and listen to Ruby. Yeah, Ruby's a good album. Someone would call that a return to four. Is there anyone that you have yet to work with that you would like to?

I actually got the song on my new album. I want you to play on. I was going to send it to you. Send it to me. Steve, give her your email so I can drum more. Is that the one that I think Susie sent us to Spotify link for that, Jerome? It's not a, it's really actually like a breakdown in the song, and you kind of just do some solar shit.

Okay. It's out, right? Right, Macy? It's out. The song you're talking about? No, not the song for a quest, but there's a song. Okay, so everybody can listen, stream a song called Thinking of You. Right.

And then there's a song out called Dear America. Because we're setting up my album. Because is this the first time you're doing it? Correct me if I'm wrong. A jazz record? No, I've done a jazz record. This is my first minute. So I've been with my touring band for about five years,

so we decided to be official. So it's called Macy Gray in the California Jet Club. I'm scared to ask where that name come from. Go ahead ask her. Where did that name come from, Macy? It's really boring. So we all live in California. We fly a lot.

It's a club, I don't know. I didn't come up with it. I would have came up with something way better. No, it's cool. But so, yeah, thinking of you, if you go on Spotify, you look up. Basically,

you're in the California Jets Club. You guys would love Dear America. That's my favorite. But it's a good record. Okay. Damn. You know what? I did have one question about

whose idea was it to do the stripped album, the way you did it? Steve, what's the technical term I'm looking for? Do you remember? Binaural. Binaural. How did you know before I even ask?

Because, never mind. Forget it. This is why we're Quest Love Supreme. But yeah, what was the decision to make it binaural, which I assume that it was basically two strategically placed microphones in the room. One is one. Oh, just one microphone. The Cowboy Junkies first did this idea, correct? I believe, where they infamously went to this church to record this album.

But, yeah, you placed one microphone perfectly in the center of the room. And I guess each musician has to. fall in proximity to that microphone so that the balance is perfect and you all play at the same time. Yeah, we did it out of church. We did it out of church in Brooklyn. Okay. It's like an audio version of Dogma 95. Like it's a challenging sound to achieve.

But was that your idea or just your producer at the time or? No, there's a Chesky records. Do you know Norman Chesky? No, I don't. He owns a jazz label called Chesky Records. And he does most of the albums on his label like that. Okay. Because there's no mix, of course.

And you get it all done in two days. Like you go rehearse and then you go and you cut it. But it's back in the day. I mean, most of the old records cut like that. We're done like that. Yeah. No, but I love the way it sounds. I love the way that record sounds.

But yeah, we all got in kind of a, what do you call it? Like a U shape around the mic. And we cut half of it one day And the next day we cut the other half Oh, that's what's up I'm sitting there thinking I'm going to go back And do my vocals over So, because I wasn't

Like it just didn't hit me like you, this is it Oh, you didn't know it was final It was really final. That's the only thing. That's crazy. That would be cool for the roots though. You guys would kill that. Oh my God.

Something y'all haven't done, huh? I would love to, but I don't know sonically we can achieve that. But, you know, I mean, no, there's people that, the people that know

how to do that would hook it up for you. Steve, let's go to church. A real engineer would know how to do that. I know. You knew that was coming.

Mace, before, before I wrap up. Yes. We got to talk about my good. Yeah, the charity. Yeah. Oh, can I

get that question out? Okay. Oh, No, we beat you to the spot. Right. Thanks, Steve. That's a sports term. Oh, the spot.

Yeah. Be used to the spot. Thank you. I have a question. I have a question. What is that on your shoulder? That's driving me crazy. What is that?

Who, me? It's a bagel. Oh, him. I was like, oh. Why is that a goal on Steve's shoulder. That is it? Oh, wow. Look at that.

Dee and Ricky, they make those Lego hearts for me. Now they're making a donut. Just their new line. Did the jacket come like that or you put that on there? No, no, I just put it on the jacket because this is green and the jacket's green. So, you know. I keep forgetting to go to their Instagram page.

Okay. Every time. Yeah, G.D. and Rickon. I thought it was a bagel for a minute. I thought it was too. No, it's a donut. They dope. They dope brothers, though.

Yeah. I'm glad Amir Rock's dad's dope. They make awesome brooches. You should rock the bagel one bill. Yeah, that's what I was saying. actually they just hit me three weeks ago they're sending me a locks and bagel they actually paired up with some high-end Brooklyn deli to do locks and bagels so they're going to send me one so I'll rock it for you I'll rock it for y'all I'll rock it for y'all I'll rock it oh that's dirty

or I'll ask you permission if I can rock it. Yeah, but what I was asking you, Mace, was about my, mygood.org. Could you explain sort of the process of you starting this foundation? So my good is what we do is we support the families who've lost loved ones due to police violence. So we come in and help with funeral cars. a lot of medical bills, mental health services, a lot of families, you know, they get sold down and depressed, they lose everything. So we've had to get a couple of moms housing. I think, you know, people get all into their opinion of it and you forget that someone's actually living,

the death, someone's death, you know, lost a kid. You know what I mean? And so, so that's, that's what we do. started on July and I'm really proud of it you know we want to make a difference we want to help change laws and stuff like that but it's it's mostly financial support because of what the families go through after especially you know you hear about all the court cases I mean that's lawyer fees and and all kinds I mean you have no idea what they go through a lot of a lot of you know moms and dads break up after There's been suicides, a lot of families fall into, like, addiction and stuff like that. So we're just there to help people get back on their feet and help them get through it.

And people can go to it's mygood.org, m-y-g-o-od dot org. Yeah, you go there, you donate all. Or you can go on the email if you want to be a part of it and just support and stuff like that. But we're doing good. I mean, it's new. So we're just coming together, but we're doing good. We're going to make a documentary and we have our own shoe coming out. Your own shoe.

Yeah, we're going to sell shoes to help raise money for the foundation. They're pretty dope. Yeah, nobody sells, yo, yeah. Are they like sneakers? Are they like little slipping? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

The website is, okay. All right, maybe so. Okay. I wanted to ask you, I saw the, the interview you did on, on, on, um, on Oprah. Oh, God. I wanted to, no, no, no, no. It was, it was amazing to see that.

But what I want to know is in, in sort of in the pandemic, how have you been handling, uh, staying clear and staying focused and kind of, well, sober, I guess you could say. How, how have you been handling it? I haven't. I'm fucked up right now. I'm just kidding. Okay. So let me see.

Wait, let me see. That's our signby for the show. Where is it? No, but my mother was here. That kept me in line. I mean, not that I don't have, I got, I got away from that. So I'm proper healthy and a lot more mature now.

But my mother made us all be good while she was here. That's for sure. And then I started working on my record. So I was always in the studio. And then, you know, like that bench. watch like everybody else and I learned how to cook and all that bullshit but it wasn't that. Learned how to cook or learned other things to cook. I can I can cook better put it that way.

I like it's like I got all into my spices and my seasoning stuff I had never really worried about before. Seasons and spices. Yeah, you know how before you just make a hamburger, you flip it a couple of times and put some barbecue sauce. Now I'm all into, you know, lemon pepper and put a little. of this because there wasn't nothing else too. Yeah, the rubs all that stuff.

I didn't even know what a rub was before. Yo, I'll admit to you, like, I've been paying a lot of attention to the spice cabinet way, like, way more than I normally have, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Cinnamon and lemon pepper to reach for it, but. Oh, yeah, we fancy now. I bought some black garlic the other day.

Let's go. Damn. Yeah. Buffle salt. I'm still in my truffle phase. Truffle everything. Truffle oil, garlic oil, all the oils, all the oils, all the infused oils. Yeah, because there was nowhere else to go, but the grocery stores.

Everybody got into like, you know, let's get some black garlic. Ain't used it yet, but you know it's there. Let me see what this. There's some rub over there. I started like, you know how they have the self-checkout? You know, before I was way too boozy for that. Like, I'm not checking out. Are you kidding me?

Now I just go to self-checkout just for something to do. I was sitting there for like an hour, just bagging my little grossies, like the highlight of my day. It's horrible. Hey, self-checkout question, y'all. Ain't nobody ever just, you know, not put it across the bar? Yo. Wait, okay, let me ask.

No, you just getting into that. I mean, y'all ain't never really fond of here. Steve, look me about right now. I'm past that point in my life. I would do it. Steve. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready.

I'm looking. Steve. Steve, look me in the eye right now. He'll not or not. Fourth floor. How honest are you? No way. Fourth floor?

Steve walks out like four chicken farms. No, I know I know what you're talking about. They've got vending machines there with food and them, but I have no. It's a level of trust on the fourth floor at 30 rock that I've never seen. Oh, like it's so I would see that I purposely like. Don't tell me this. more just to not. Just to offset the niggas are stealing.

Yes. Yes. Because on the four floor, there's just a complete like grocery store that's just isolated. Like if I wanted to, I could just grab like 16 yogurts if I wanted to or whatever. And I'm like, wait, they trust us to do this? Like I could literally just walk out here with the entire refrigerator of, of how do you pay for it? Aren't you supposed to pay for it? No, you pay, they trust that you will be honest and pay for it, which Same thing yourself checkout. I know they're not watching. Oh, I see.

Wow. But yeah, I just wanted to know if you ever had the temptation to just like, give me it. You know, and Target is expensive. Every once and again, I've done reparations. Well, I believe in karma, so that's why I have not done it. Nah, same. Yeah. Ah, karma.

Y'all get on my nerves. Dude, it's real. Are you right? You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. It comes back.

I'll take those earrings back. Oh, wow. Macy. Earrings. Man. Oh, I was going to say before you wrap, Amir, basically there's a connection I have, well, you have with two bandmates of mine.

I sing in a band called the Foreign Exchange. And one of my bandmates that I sing with Carmen Rogers, she did a, this was back in 2001. She was working for a high-end, like this high-end design firm in Dallas or whatever. And they had like a Christmas party, whatever. And her boss thought it would be a cool idea for her to imitate

Macy Gray. Because she still does a really good Macy Gray presentation. Really? Yeah. And so her boss was like, okay, I think this would be cool. You know what I'm saying? Do it. So at the time Carmen had a big red fro. And she went and they go into the party, whatever.

And they really thought it was her. So people start crying and hyperventing. and they eventually had to brush her out the fucking building because they really thought it was you. So she just wanted me to just tell you that, tell you hello. And also my very, my very dear friend, Sy Smith, who told me, she just told me, she was just tell you, say what's up. She said it was a blast touring with you and she just wanted me to see you some love.

Yes, size is one of my favorites. Well, Macy, I thank you for it. Yes. I thank you for doing this with us. Yeah, your patience is amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Don't forget to check out my phone phone.

She was here at like 6.30, like, wait for us. And she just rode with us. She didn't tell her people like, y'all are at the goal, tell them to rap this shit. Like, you know, she just roll with us. I appreciate it. That's what's up. Okay. Keeping us on.

No, yeah, but thank you, thank you for doing the show. And we appreciate it. And we're fans of yours. And we love him. On behalf of Laia and shook Steve and unpaid. Bill Fon Ticcolo. My name is Questlove and this is another episode of Questlove Supreme. Thank you very much.

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