The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Narada Michael Walden Part 1

Episode Date: April 3, 2024

Narada Michael Walden has won "Producer Of The Year" at the Grammy Awards. Before he produced monster records for Aretha Franklin, George Michael, Whitney Houston, and others, he was a prolific drummer from Michigan with a dream. In Part 1 of his Questlove Supreme interview, Narada recalls his upbringing and influences. He details his experiences, ranging from seeing Stevie Wonder as a child and years hanging out with P-Funk's Eddie Hazel. Narada also describes his time as a member of the Mahavishnu Orchestra and working with some of the most revered Jazz legends while as a disciple of Sri Chinmoy. This is a rare audience with one of Questlove's greatest inspirations.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. I'm wearing this hat, Questlove for you. This is my drum. Hamming hat in high school, the high school band. So I know you put the drums, man. We put the drones, man. Yeah. You still have that? Wow.

That's amazing. Yeah. All right. I'm not nervous at all. Good, good. We got to get your hat like that, Amir. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Questlove Supreme. I am Questlove, your host of the day.

We are here with Fondigolo. Fon Tigolo. you at right now? I'm at the crib, man. I just, uh, I came in just straight from the gym. So, you know, so I'm sweating. Same. Same here. Yep. Same. I'm on the north side of 40, bro. It's, it's something about, uh, March that creeps in that says, okay. Summer coming. Got to get my summer, but. Yeah. I, mine is picnic body. So, yeah, 100%. Yeah, I want to look halfway presentable at the picnic. Uh, Steve, how are you, pal? I'm good really looking forward to this interview like everybody else.

How interesting was your evening? Super interesting. Definitely trying to hear you pronounce words and so forth. All right. Steve, as you guys know, I can't stop writing books. And one of the, well, I'm not trying to say I'm fortunate. But one of the things that I am not much of a fan of in the process of book writing is doing the audio books, especially when Steve is on standby to hear me struggle with college words. And he definitely got an earful last night.

But we got more important pressing matters on our hands. Let me just say that I know that a lion's share of my personal music knowledge, you know, honestly came into play once hip-hop contextualized my parents' boring record collect made it interesting. which, you know, basically my age 14, 15, 16, of course, I could rattle off any musician's name. But I wasn't a slouch either when I was a kid. But, you know, this knowledge of I have of music really became a thing when I was a teenager. However, I will say that in my life, in real time, and I'm talking about when I'm seven years old, there were two particular drummers who I idolized. And of course, if you're a long-time listener of the podcast, you already know that I've had the pleasure.

of doing a 101 with my idol, Steve Ferone, formerly of the average white band. Today is no exception, and today will actually complete that circle, because if I'm really honest with myself, our guest today might be the first, air quote, fusion drummer that I became familiar with. Not exactly by choice. It just so happens that a particular family excursion of 1977 on a trip to Disney World. in a van with an eight-track tape player as our entertainment and maybe six eight-track tapes in rotation. And one of those six eight-track tapes had heavy rotation of the debut album of our guest on the show today, entitled Garden of Love, Light.

And one song in particular that I know that I personally put 10,000 gladwellian hours in a practice was a tune called The Sun is Dancing. And now that I think about it, I think the very first time that I nerded out on basis, mega bassist Willie of the Letterman show, was more about him playing on that album than it was anything else that Willie has done. Willie has done legendary shit.

But I will say that his resume is beyond impressive. Name it. Whitney, Aretha, Mariah, George Michael, Jeff Beck. Kevin Campbell. Yeah, Kevin Camel, Barbara Streisand, Lionel Richie, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Dinah Ross, Rachel. My Vision Orchestra. Chick-Garia.

He's worked with everyone but me. And I think I'm trying to be him. You know what I mean? Not to mention, I will say that he's probably the first human being that I've ever taken note of that even mentioned the word that I'm obsessed with now post-pandemic, which is meditation. So this is a long, overdue conversation with the great legendary. Please welcome.

Nard of Michael Walton. Finally, the Quest Love Supreme. Thank you so much, man. That's wonderful. You don't do it for a long time, man. Wow. Thank you so much. I'm happy to be here.

This is wonderful. I'm a big fan of yours, brother. I'm a big fan of yours. You know, you bring the funk, man. You bring the soul and you bring the integrity to the music. So I'm really, really loving you, man. I'm bringing everything I ever learned from you, man. Now, you know what it is?

I'm also realizing I've met you briefly before, and I will say that there are very few human beings that have an instantaneous disarming chip that I wish I had. You have a level of calm that I now know that, of course, your resume is that impressive, because I believe that you have a sort of calming element because you produced some people that I would believe would be some of the hardest people personality-wise

to even step with. I've said no to a few of these people would just like drumming with them or any of those things because I couldn't bear to think of the thought of dealing with that. But can I ask you like, when did you develop? this personality of just calmness.

Like, you have a very disarming, like, have you ever gotten angry in your life? Oh, yeah, sure, sure. I do. Of course I do. It's just that I learned, like, what you're speaking about in production, working with other people, that I wanted to get their best. And I realized that the love aspect was really powerful. It is really powerful.

And then you mentioned meditation. So through meditation and the love aspect, that became the most important part. and that the person I'm working with could feel that love to do their best. And then that would just make everything just go full. So I kind of just pray, swim, you know, get myself together physically, and then getting that spirit that the person you really feel like, oh, you're not here to fight with me. You're going to make that great music.

Then they start singing, do whatever they're going to do, and the endorphins kick in, and they were gone. But that spirit of love is really, really important. That's what I want to say to you about that. Do you have a pre-studio ritual that you do or something like to kind of get ready to get into that? You know, I can see behind me. I have a candle. Two candles here and a candle up there.

Okay. You know, I burn a little incense every now and again. I usually bring a gift to the person I'm working with, just kind of make them feel the love on a physical level, a teddy bear, flower, something sweet. And then I want to say one more thing about what you're asking about because it's really important for me that probably the most incredible moment along this. the line was after I made the songs of two songs, Who's Zooming Who, Until You Say You Love Me, and Here, and flew back to Detroit, Michigan to meet Aretha. It looking in her eyes is scary. That would scare you.

That scared me. But there again, you know, I let her know in my spirit, my eyes, my love. I'm not here to fight. I'm not here to make a problem. I want to serve you and love you and help us make the best music. And then once the music comes on, and then she starts opening up and singing, then again, like I said, it just gets happy. And then it's like, well, what do you want to eat? You want cheeseburger.

You want fried chicken, what you want, and all that sounds happening. See, I wish I had known you previously. Steve can attest to this. Of course, I'm still here at the Tonight Show. Lovely, lovely, lovely. And I've only had one client sort of, right? put us through the ringer to the point where I just walked away. Okay.

And, you know, unfortunately, I've had the pleasure of playing practically with every person I've ever idolized. But when it came to Aretha and the alpha level of testing that we were put through, I failed that test. Oh, no. You know, it was like, my, my, was there because in my mind, I'm like, well, I'm holding up the tradition. Like, we are holding up the tradition of Cornell Dupree and Bernard Purdy, like her 70s,

her 70s crack band. And, you know, she wanted to have a long talk and she wanted us to audition and all this stuff. And, you know, I just, now regret that move. But I was just like, well, no, I'm fine. If you want to sing behind your karaoke track, then go ahead and do so. And she did so. And it could have been magic, but, you know, it was definitely, I didn't know about what you just said. Like we're dealing with people and how to disarm them and all that stuff. And so for a start is where were you born? I'm from Kalamazoo, Michigan, between Chicago and Detroit, right in the middle in the country, Kalamazoo, where they make Gibson guitars, you know. And Battle Creek, Michigan's not far away where they make Kellogg's Conflicts. And that's what you need. your walk on star comes from you know with all that funk so calamazoos in michigan i'm only laughing because calamazoo is always my go-to random hypothetical city when i say something like oh you know i always in calamazoo michigan but i've never known one human being from calamazoo michigan now you do

now you do i read a really interesting story about you in a magazine i think it was right on i'm not certain. But the very first thing I ever read about you, I happened to be reading this story a year before we in Philadelphia. And I don't remember the exact lining of the earth, whatever, but I do know that we were about to go through in 1984 a major solar eclipse. Oh, wow. And it was one of them things where like the school was like handing out these sunglasses and you must never look at in the sun or else you'll go blind and da-da-da-da-da. Yes. And I remember reading an interview of you where you said you was so inspired by Stevie Wonder

that could you tell that story, please? Okay, brother. It's a true story. Okay, let me just go back up just for a second to say that Ray Charles, George Shering, or blind men, knocked me out with their genius. And then on the scene, my aunts, my mom's sisters, They're Vicky and Valor. They're twins.

They said, well, you know, on the scene now, as a little boy, your age, maybe a little old than you, but he plays his drums better than you play. And he's incredible. I said, no, no, no. I don't want to buy it. And he said, oh, no, his little name is a little Stevie Wonder, you know, and he plays. I said, if he keeps him blind, how can he even see the drums? Well, he does.

Okay, okay, okay. But not long after came out a song that was a live version of fingertips. And fingertips was smoking. And I mean smoking like smoking. smoking. And I was lucky enough to go to Chicago. My dad comes from Chicago and go to the Regal Theater and see him play. And when they walked him out, it was like an alien. He walked like an alien, slowly, kind of back and forth. Like, you know, I've never seen anything even walk like like he walked. But now in the audience, it's packed with screaming girls like Beals,

screaming, you know. And when he gets the microphone, he's just in control. And his voice is high, like a little boy, but just every little note just so perfect. Just so perfect. And the band comes up just rocking. Just rocking. And on the harmonica, perfect. And I just was like, it's true. He is better than me.

He's got everyone in his palm with the hand. he's channeling God. And that was the summer of the eclipse you're talking about. So in Chicago, I decided, okay, if I'm blind, I can maybe be as good as these guys are my hero. So I wouldn't stare to the sun. I got to make myself blind. But the good Lord said, no, no, no, you keep your sight. But I did try to know myself blind.

Yeah. Oh, I read that story. And I guess we had, you know, the next cycle of that was sometime in 1984. And, you know, again, this, and also, you know, there's a thing like when you're a kid and an adult tells you know, you're just instantly, like even if it's to your own detriment. And there was one point where I was like, damn, Nara Michaels are right. Like, if I'm blind like Stevie Wonder, I too can have gifts. And I was actually thinking, let me go outside and just stay. A win is a win.

A win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way,

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My next guest, you know from Stepbrothers, Anchorman, Saturday Night Live. and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Farrell. Woo. Woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day.

And I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet.

Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he says, he's. He's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat.

Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East-West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco,

joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make, to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the podcast on the game.

the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars. And now, I guess also is the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist. And John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86.

I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty.

Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Auer Kohn and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember your very first musical memory? When I was really little, my dad bought a record home called Froggy Win a Court and He Did Lie. Froggy Win a Court and He did lie. You know, I was a little kid, kid, kid, kid, kid, kid. I remember that kind of thing. also remember very, very young, I was so blessed by Santa with Toy Land drum set for Christmas.

That blew my mind. These little drums with the paper heads, so you play them, but the heads wouldn't last very long because it's made a paper. But I get orgasmic, beating these damn things, and I see the happiness of my parents, my grandparents. And I got so happy. That's what I knew. That's it.

That's a little, little kid. I guess just after that would be like then making pillows and getting a lot. the pie 10 and playing along with Nina Simone live at town hall, you know, summertime and that album, the live album of hers, playing along with that. And then that became like kind of going on like that, you know, Ahmad Jamal. Then those, those type records playing along with them. But yeah, it's just always there that record, the young, the young vibe, catching the spirit of the music was so important. Pieitons were your symbols? Yeah, a pie 10, a pie 10, a pie 10, a pie 10. We are the same person. Yeah. Yeah. That is crazy.

Yeah, that's right. So what is the significance of a pie 10 symbol? What were we hearing that on? Well, you know, it just makes a high, high tin, tink, tink, tink. So, you know, if you don't have a symbol, at least it can make a high, kind of a sound like a symbol. So, you know, in a pillow, like a flat pillow, can be like a bass drum or whatever you want it to be. I would set up chairs. Yeah, that's it.

I would set up chairs as my drum set, and then either the lamp, lampshade or a pie tin was always my... Damn, I thought I was the only person to thought about that. No, no, man. I bet Stephen wanted to get it, too. That is crazy. Recently, I went back to my old neighborhood, and I saw there's a lady still living and down the block. She was telling people's stories of, well, he used to always wailing drums. I used to hear him five, six houses away.

So your parents lived in a household in which they encouraged you to make noise and all these things. Yeah, I got to say, my dad was like 18 when he had me. My mom was 19 when they had me. And my dad wanted to be a drummer. And he would carry his best friend's drums around a cat named Bill Doughty from the Three Sounds. So he wasn't a drummer, but he loved it. So that was a big, yes, you know, Bill Doughty from Three Sounds? Yes, yes.

Well, that was my dad's friend. And that's another record. I was raised up playing along with. And my dad, quite frankly, the only time he really kind of gave you the kudos, like I could play, was when I could play note for note that record he bought.

That was when he knew, oh, well, you guys, I guess you can play. But it wasn't until that. Wow. I'm letting you know that the whole Bill Doughty thing in our family was a big to do. And I was, I could make noise.

So you're right. The parents loving you, loving what the sound on, it's important. How old were you, first started, drumming? A little kid, five, six, seven years old. But I didn't take a stardrum lessons until like 10 years of them.

You know, rudiment, five stroke roll, paradigils, you know, like that. And then, oh, your left hand is not as fast as your right hand. You got to work around your left hand, all that kind of behavior. But then I'm really blessed, maybe around the age of 11, 12. There was a drummer on the north side of Kalamazoo, not apart from my grandparents' house, named Harold Mason. And Harold was a black cat who knew Independence.

And he had a blue book of Independence by Jim Chapin. So that book, you play a right hand written, Chang, chink, kaching, chink, chink, ching, ching, ching. Like that. But then against it, on the left hand, the pattern keeps changing. So you have to kind of keep reading the changing and learning your mind how to break it up.

Then you bring your feet into it, your bass drum, your high hat. But then he'd be so advanced, he would say, well, you know, The jazz cats in New York now, you know what they're doing? They aren't just playing two and four in the hiat anymore. They're playing ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-knit with a high hat, you know, whatever they want to do on the left foot. I thought that was, that would be too much.

I don't want to get in all that. I was just playing two-in-four on the high hat with my foot. But he was that advanced breaking the mind up for independency, which really to this day, help me. A lot of people don't understand. It's like, when you can do it, then you can play all kind of crazy stuff. So it happened early in my life

that I got with Harold and then guess what happened? Harold went on to play the drums for Stevie Wonder. Now Stevie's a little bit older now, you know, signs to deliver those records are out and they came through Kalamazoo a place called Western Michigan University at the college.

And the place is back to see Stevie Wonder he's a big star. So here's my teacher, Harold Mason, on drums. And the thing that caught the fire is this and you'll appreciate it because you're bad. Harold starts playing this group and goes on the bell. Like one, two, three, four.

Ding tiki-d-d-d-d-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-dik-be-be-be-be- like that. And Steve is catching fire with this. Stephen runs over, the blinds up, pushes this cat out of the drums, Harold, gets on the drums, and starts playing the same thing stronger. Ding-tik-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-ttt. I was like, damn. Then Steve gets crazy. He stands up on the stool, and the place goes,

he falls off the stool on the floor, gets back up again, falls on the floor, and starts to plan on his groove. I'm like, these people are nuts. They're nuts, but it showed me the level of craziness you can go to, and it's okay. You're one of the rare artists that, I mean, we've had a few artists on the show that have recollections of seeing one concert or two concerts or whatever,

it, but it might have believed that even since childhood, you were just regularly seeing shows of musicians? In Kalamazoo, Michigan, we're in the country, so it's not like, I'm in the city. So no, I wouldn't say, I'm like in New York where you cats were, or Philadelphia, no, we're country cats, we're country mice. But our ears are big because we're hearing all the music out of Detroit. We're hearing all the music out of Chicago, you know,

five stair steps, Curtis Mayfield, we're hearing everything. We're hearing everything. We're hearing them to brand new Motown, you know, shop around miracles. We're in all the new stuff. you know, baby, I need you love and before you don't ever hear it. It's there at our parties. So that's what it was. It was just hearing the radio. And then

I got to say, pop music, like Patty Page, O'Kee Cod, Johnny Mathis, chances are. All that music is just as huge in Michigan. So you love Prince. That's why Prince is so badass. Because Prince, not only got the funk's

but he got all the white pop stuff just as strong. That's what it is. Back there, Minnesota, Michigan, It's like a big old gumbo. I see. Were you a big record collector as a kid? Yeah, I love the records. I love the records.

And I loved also like playing that song by The Who, I can see from miles and miles and miles in my basement. That caught my attention. I didn't even know who Keith Moon or anything. That was. I just like the, I can see for my... I can see... You know, that power. Yeah.

Who was your idol drumming-wise? Wait, do you play any other instruments besides? drums i just play keyboard uh piano to write my songs you know okay i've enough keyboards to write so drumming still your first left yeah yeah who were your idols like once you develop your style like who's the person that i'm that person who's your north star um uh i learned from everybody harold taught me so much harold mason stevia that that that thing i just told you about i was blown out by the charisma of wringled star. I got to tell you on the Ed Sullivan show to see him flirt with the chicks in the upper balcony as he was playing, the open slushka hi-hats, but smiling at the chicks above, I thought

that was badass. See, the charisma aspect got me more than the chops, just the swinging and the smiling. Wow, man, okay. Then Mitch Mitchell with Hendricks was mean. It was mean, so I have to give them a lot of love. All right, so I've talked to many an artist, and of a certain age, of a certain age, for a lot of them, their North Star was The Beatles on Sullivan. The same way, like 20 years later, of course, like Motown 25 was another North Star moment for people that watch the Moonwalk. But I'm more fascinated when black people speak of the Beatles on Sullivan. Like, could you explain what the fascination was because was it just that there was nothing else? Like, what made black people even open to that moment?

Well, okay. I knew the Beatles were coming because I saw their album cover in downtown Kalamazoo, and Paul McCartney had a cigarette on the cover. And that was unusual. Just see a cat having a cigarette bowl on the cover, just small things like that. There was a Catholic school. And so the girls were already starting rumble about the Beatles. It was already catching fire.

and that was unusual because no one ever talked about music. So here they are rumbling about the Beatles. I was like, really? You guys are into this. So when it hit, and the best thing was this, man, not just that show, but check this out. It'd be John Lennon saying, well, our favorite female vocalist is Mary Wells. It's like, damn, Mary Well, well, that's Detroit. That's where I live.

But little white girls and those brothers at the school, they were, who's Mary Wells? Like, damn, that's Mary Wells. They don't know Mary Wells, they would say. And then John would say, well, that's where I don't know Mary Wells, they would say. also our favorite male singer is Little Richard. Little Richard, Little Richard, that was on a 70-D, you know, Long Tallis, all those records. But they had no idea who they were.

So the Beatles really educated all these people who I knew, little white kids, whatever, to what was really going down. So I had to, and I liked that. I liked that. That caught us because they're not talking about black people, and giving a shine, which we never had. You know what I'm saying? That was a big to do. And I'm telling you, man, this whole Beatlemania thing

was real. So you're born, what's 71? What are you born? You're born? 71. Yeah. Okay, so this is like 63, 64. It was on fire. We never experienced him like it. Just even the plane landing, looking at them coming out the plane. People are going hysterical. So it just, it just, you go, wow, wow. The music was good, but it was all the frenzy around it. It was like, incredible. Damn. But then when they started loving black people, I was like, I like these cats.

Because you know, I was talking about little Richard. And I was something about Mary Marry Wells. So that's what it was, man. The catching of all these things that were like, cool. Got it. Got it. Yeah. All right.

So how far is Detroit from Kalamazoon? At any point, did you make a move to Detroit? Like, was Motown calling you or that sort of thing? I would love to have gone to Motown. I've gone, we would drive to Detroit to go visit a family friend or whatever and just go by the street. But, you know, you could never go in there. It was like a sacred territory. You know, you could never go in there.

But just to go buy it, just drive by it would be like a big deal. So I don't have any stories of like, you know, going inside there or anything. But we all were just like religion. The chord changes and the way they put it together with the sounds and the great singers. It was just a religion, man. Damn. Yeah. What was your band experience like in your teen years?

Like were you forming bands in high school or? Yes. Yeah. My first band was I was 11. and he'd be 10. He played Hammond B3. Okay. And his name is Joel Brooks.

And he was brilliant, like Jimmy Smith, a young kid, Jimmy Smith. So it was just drums, me and him on Oregon. And his uncle owned a little nightclub called the Ambassador Lounge on the north side of Kalamazoo, the black side of Kalamazoo. So we can go in the ambassador lounge and be the opening act, because his uncle owned the place before Jim McGriff or whoever's coming through town was going to play. What?

Yes. So it was like first-hand experience playing, jean-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-oh, where we were going to play before they came on. And, you know, that was just mind-blowing, because I must tell you also, a part of what I love is a record by a cat named Jimmy Smith called The Sermon is 22 minutes long. And what it did to my brain is E equals MC Square. Art Blakey played a backbeat, two and four, the whole record. because, you know, most cats jazz guys are busy.

No. But do the, to you, chat, to chin, chat, chagin think of, speak, but we,

but we, be, it just walks, like a blues record. Mm-hmm. So I realized the power of that. And that really helped me a lot, that you could just put it down.

And people love it even more. So, man, those experiences when I was 11 with the ambassadors, that helped me, that band. And then we bring a little horn player into it. You know, Captain, studying at the university on trumpet, Pierre, or a sax player or a vice player, Carl, you know,

to expand the sound. So I had great experience playing young like that. And then I would do the rock thing of my own bands. And as I got a little old, I left home and I was about 16 years old. Right. And I go to keyboards. I play Vanderbass, Oregon. And we do like, what does it take by Junior Walker All-Stars, those type of songs.

But I'm playing keyboards now. And that band is called Distance in the Far. Then I had another band. I played bass. It's called the Mother Thump with the Flunkies. Now we're doing Expressway to Your Heart and Grand Funk Railroad, you know. Are you ready? All that music. Yeah.

So then before I left Kalamazoo, I joined a horn band, like kind of a Chicago horn band, but very progressive, called Avatar. And they were really, really like, probably the most progressive band I've been with. And then my friend who played trouble with that band Bobby Knapp, he said, Do you know about this record by Cold Blood, called Sisyphus? I said, no. He played me this cat man named Sandy McGee on an album called Sisyphus. And to this day, you say North Star moment. That's still my North Star moment, Sandy McGee on drums. Wow. Okay.

So when's the moment in which you're like, okay, this is my profession. I am going to be a drummer. Always. I didn't want to do ever do anything else. I remember one day I had joined a band called Deakin Williams' Soul Revival that came to Kalamazoo. They took me up after I didn't want to be in college anymore. I went through semesters of college. I packed my drums in their school bus and went out to play the Flint, Michigan, these little nasty joints. But it was so important.

I did that because then I really knew how to connect with the people, people, people, people. The people, people, people. And that was that same. And then I'd come back to Calamazoo to go play some more clubs. And my dad would say, why just become a policeman, you know, because this whole road thing for you. I don't know if you should be doing that. No, I was always a drummer. Then that band decided to go out to California.

Now here we all going out to California. I came out to California. You know, we played shows out here. in Hollywood and all that. Then that band broke up. Then I decided, no, I want to stay in California. And then that became hard. Now I'm a ship from receiving clerk downtown L.A.,

rapping boxes hearing music constantly. Just trying to get out of here. You know, how to, like, save myself. And I had a few cousins, one that helped me out in England, area, and then another one out in Pasadena. He said, come stay with me. And I did. And then there that I could, like, really shed.

I was now the Mobbush and Orchestra album, just came out. I had enough money to buy that Inamining Flame album. That just crushed me. I'd never heard anything like Cobham, Vishnu, on that echo. And seven, nine, eleven, whatever. What the hell? Talk about it.

And funky like a fucking dog. God. So that became my shedding. Shed. And then I also loved buddy Miles, the live album. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. You know, then for spiritual moments, you put on Alice Coltrane's universal consciousness, side, too. You know, it could be Jack Gis-Jennett.

You know, just like, so I kind of got off on mixing these worlds. The Cobbuncleanless, buddy funk, and the Jagdyshnet symbols. I loved all that stuff. Then I got, then I met this cat, man. You might know him. Eddie Hazel.

Oh. You met Eddie Azel. Yeah, yeah. I had a band with him called Ouch. What? He was so mean because me and being good that he could play the funk really fast. That would prepare me for you later. But he'd be like, look it, get, get, dig a, look at that.

And then you pass around this joint, but it'd be laced with PCP, the angel dust. So then you're really getting out there. But, you know, you're looking at him because he's gorgeous, got his things on and gorgeous and just playing so clean and so fast. Aries. So those type of things happen for me, you know. I have great experiences. I need to hear what Eddie Hazel was like from a person not in the Peefunk atmosphere.

What atmosphere? Just a big, big, big brain. You know, like Hendricks, a big brain. You know, and not afraid of anything. The rock, the tone, the funk, the black, like early prince. Like a prince could, like, he was that. Could do anything like in those worlds and not scared of anything. And again, this powerful, this powerful, this powerful thing that would go around,

would be like, oh, my God. I almost can't mess with that because I'm down too, too. I'm too sensitive, but it would just make you feel like, whoa, you know. So Eddie Hazel was an influence. I didn't stay with him very long because he was always moving, but he made a big influence in my life. You know, you hear Maggot brains. How he plays on that record.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. I would like to know at what point did the teachings of Sri Chimoy enter your life? Like, was it doing this period or was it later on? Just after this period. This is my Pasadena, LA experience I'm talking about. Right. You know, and then I had to work hard

to try to find work on in LA, you know, very hard. And they even go back in the beginning what's called an orderly in hospitals to make ends meet. But it wasn't long after I got a phone call from Miami, a cat down there named Santa Toronto, a guitar player from Edgar Winter Band down there, Santa Toronto. He found, he heard about me. He said, come down to Miami.

So he bought my, my first plane ticket. I'd never been on a plane before. Boy, you would this. It'd be, it'd be maybe 71, 72, 71. See? Because I graduated high school, 70. Gotcha. That's now the year you're born 71 around that area, that I flew in Miami. And I like Miami. And I really opened my eyes again, because I wasn't at the university,

but at the university would be all these great cats coming up. Pat Metheny, you know, Danny Ghalib, Hiram Bullock, Cliff Carter, Patty Scalphalphly is now married to Bruce Springsteen. They're all these young people like that. But my friend was one of the teachers named Stan Somoli, and I stayed with him,

and he'd have books on the guru. I said, oh, okay. I said, this is the cat who's inspiring my vision. He said, yes. So then you start reading the books of poetry on Twitchfich and Moy that were inspiring Mahavishnu, the poems of birds of fire, you know, my flute and immortality, all these things he was writing that were just beautiful and very God ordained. So I had a band down there called

the New McGuire Sisters. Now, we really went full-fledged rock, disfusion out there, odd meters to the limit, because now Mahavishnal Orchestra made it go there. And we had this big warehouse where the sound would just be like enormous. Like I could mic my bass drum with a big SVT amplifier. So I got used to just making this huge sound in there. And then not long after we got all this together, that band then moved to Connecticut, a place called Canaan Connecticut,

way up on the border of Massachusetts in Connecticut, a farm. A barn where we could play, it was an awesome sound, and then a little cabins in a main house. And so we kept working. But I was always scratching. how am I going to make it, brother?

How am I going to make it? How am I going to make it? How am I going to make it? I was always at my soul. And then not long after came through Hartford, the Mavish Norker's second album playing The Birds of Fire. And I had my friend, our manager, take me down to that show and dropped me off at the show. And this is really important because you ask about guru.

Yes. It was my first time laying eyes on the real living, Mahavishnu and Cobham. And as I'm getting there, I'm a bit late. the place is packed. There's a bright light on Vishnu. And it's just him on double-neck guitar and Cobb going at it. Maybe in 17, something so out that you would never, you can't even count it. But they were like so intense with it.

It was just nuts. So I decided to walk right down to the edge of the stage and look up in his eyes and see what the hell is going on. And I did. And I looked right up in his eyes. And he's just the bullet, just bullets. Like an animal on fire. And his eyes are back in his head. And I go, this is real.

It's too intense to be made to be like memorized. It's just flowing through him. And I went up for so long. I could have been like 20 minutes of this. You know, I heard John Coltrane on record with Elvin Jones just be out there for the longest times. I've never seen anything live. in a rock setting marshals, fives, drum set, loud, clean.

Fives, oh my God. Clear fives, loud, clean. It could stop like that and back at it. Together. Oh, holy God. This is now my life. This is now got to be what I got to go to because if I do another direction of my life, could die. I don't want to die like Jimmy, who are my, my, my heroes. And I knew that Vishnu was

was into God. He'd find the meditation way because I knew about his guru. So that night, I saw a guy in white, I knew his disciple. His name was a pekisha. I said, please, a pakeha. I really have to meet Mahvishnan. Tied back to meet him. And he was so kind to me out of the whole audience. I'm somebody. Nobody. He gets me backstage and Maivish to pokes his head out and said, go in that little room and I'll meet you in one minute. And I wait that little tiny room and I'm scared because I've never seen anything like this. And I can hear Cobb and Jan Hammer, you know, hi-talk in the other room like, McCoy Tiner, you know, and then General Jones, and they're all and then my sister comes in. And he's like, English with this black Miles Davis talk. Hello, brother,

how are you? You know, it's like, what is that? But that's how he was. And I said, well, my name is Michael and I said, I've never seen anything like you, and I want to be like you. I play drums. And he said, well, you know, what I'm doing is largely due to my prayer life, my meditation life. I said, yeah, I know, because I read the back of your jackets, these help the poems by your guru. He said, yeah, he said, I'm going to see my guru at six in the morning. And I'll tell I met you. Now, even that was like, bam, here we are on backstage in Hartford.

It's almost one in the morning. He's going to drive all night, go back to Queens, New York. and see the guru at 6 a.m. That's not, he's not going to sleep. After just what I saw him do, something is so small like that, just rock my world. This is too much.

And you know what happened? It's just God, because about a week later, I'm way out in the country of Haiti, Connecticut, in the woods at this farm I lived in, and the phone rings, and it's Mahavishnu. He says,

hi, man, it's Mahavishnu, and I can't be there tonight, but I want you to go to the meditation in Norwalk and meet the guru tonight. I say, okay. So, man, I had long hair. I brushed my hair back, you know,

and I got my shaver and I shaved my beard off because I know they didn't have no beards. And my mom had made me kind of a white dashiki. I put that white dashiki on. And we had an old limousine that the new McGuire sisters had. And my friend Greg Feld drove me down there. And to Norwalk.

And when I got there, that was, I was a little bit late too. So guess what happened? I go inside and I lay my eyes on the guru. The area is singing, playing the harmonium and singing. He sees me, but you keep singing. And the girls are on one side and the boys on the other side. They're all wearing white and the girls are all wearing these kind of Indian saris. So there's one chair left on the girl's sides.

I sit down with the girls. And then this old lady named Akuti, she gets up front and she reads out of his new book called The Dance of Life Part 2. And the poems in this book were just like, like knives of my heart because, you know, it was just crying to God. You know, oh, Lord, how many days, how many nights, how many minutes, seconds, hours must I cry to see your face? How long must I wait to see you? It go on and on like that. And that hit me again. Maybe what you're asking for, Michael, I was my, it wasn't an art, I was Michael. Maybe what you're asking for,

you're not really ready for. That's what hit me again. Then I met a black gentleman just after this whole thing named Le Le Lehan. He's all high. Hey, hi. Let's go upstairs to the library. You know, we buy a book and then I can take you to the, to the, to the restaurant called Love and Serve. Okay.

So I grew up to the library and all these books he had written. I have just enough money to buy a book called The Dance of Life Part 2 that they had read, that downstairs they had read from. So I buy that one book and as I'm walking down the stairs, man, here is the guru in the living room, just standing there, kind of meditating. And so I stopped. And he says, so you are Mahavishnu's friend?

He said, yes. He said, you would like to become my disciple? I said, I think I'm ready. And he went into a long meditation. Like I saw it, my vision, the eyes went back in his head. And just this feeling came over me as I stood before him. And then not long after he said, I accept you within my heart. And then he kind of walked away.

But as he walked away, I kind of felt like an explosion in happening. inside of me. And maybe an explosion of gratitude that. Now I've met Mah Vishnu. Now I'm being his guru. His guru has just accepted me. Who am I? That's what happened to me. And I was so grateful to be accepted. And I knew that would save my life because I did not want to die. I'm the kind of cat LSD. Love the experience of being so high, but you can have a bad experience and be out of here. Or at his PSPs and the angel dusts and those. Those things can just get you out of here, man. So here, this is the God way.

You just love God. You know, you pray, you meditate. You know, you do beautiful things and you offer your music to God. That changed. The whole trick is I've tricked in my life. All right. Let me ask you something because it took me. No, no, no, no, no.

I appreciate you sharing that. Because the thing is, is that it might have taken me about five decades to even be open to that level of spirituality because, you know, for a lot of African Americans in America, like we clutch onto our Christianity like no one's business and any other kind of straying from, you know, what your grandmom taught you, what her grandmother taught her, what, and so on and so forth, Back to our, you know, our presence in this country is often frowned upon amongst other black people. Like, I remember seeing an interview with like Maurice White of Earthwood and Fire, maybe in like in the late 70s, early 80s, where he's talking about this level of spirituality. Yes.

And kind of looking at the adults in the room as he's saying this on television, they're frowning like, mm-mm, see, that's the devil shit. He ain't talking about Christianity, da-da-da. So, like, what made you, because this is not, even though this level of spirituality is our African origins. Yes. What made you just sort of bypass the fear of what will others think about me or what will my parents say or what will my fellow Michigan's people or fellow black people? They think like, I'm this weird. What made you just bypass that? I wanted to save my life.

It was just me against the world. It's just me against the world. How am I going to make it? This is the way to make it, Narada. Mahavishnu's accepted you as a friend. He's calling him the phone. This is his guru. His gurus accepted you.

It felt good to me. It was a way of living a good life, of having a way of directing my attention, my focus. And I needed that. I knew I needed it. I was raised Catholic. I was raised with Mother Mary, Jesus. all that and the Holy Communion and all that.

I know all those things. You know, the Annius Day and the sanctuary and all the beautiful music. But that wasn't saving me. And I had been clobbered by Mahvishnu live. Not only on record,

you know, unspoken heights live. I see. And then to meet his teacher, he was beautiful. It was nothing wrong. It was like, okay, would you follow Jesus? Yeah. Well, there's a living example of someone living truth, talking truth.

What you're going to do? So for me, it was a blessing, absolute blessing. There was no doubt about that at all. Only doubt it was, am I good enough? Am I ready enough? Like I told you. When did he grant you with the name, Narda? Well, that came later.

He told me later, I'm not going to spoil you. I've spoiled so many giving the names too fast or too early. I'm not going to spoil you. I'm going to make you wait. And it wasn't until the release of Garden of Love Light. that he gave me my name Narda. And he said, Nara, da, Nara.

That went on for so long. I don't know if my name was Nara or da. So he said, Narda. The Narda's supreme musician, Nardah's soul brings from heaven to earth, light, delight, and compassion, and takes back to heaven from earth, earth's sufferings.

So the music, this is my role now. That's Nardt, Michael Walden. and yeah. What leads to your deal at Atlantic Records? And on top of that, how did you link with, of all people, Tom Dowd, on your first album? I went through, after I joined my Vishnu Orchestra and did like two and a half years with my Vishn Orchestra, when that band stopped. And Vishnu then went to Shakti with, you know, Zaki Hussein and that genius stuff.

Then I was really into a funk and a depression. Because now I didn't know what to do with my life. I mean, I'm high now. Now I'm my chops. Everything is, but what are you going to do? You're not in the band anymore. It's like the beetle broke up. So I just tried to think of what I was going to do.

I became a teacher for a while. The drama workshop, the teacher's thing, where it was called? Some place I played taught down there for a while. Anyway, I'm saying to you, I just had to focus. And I thought, well, let's just go on my solo career. So then my attorney was Barry Platting.

He said, you know what Epic Records, will pay for you to make a demo. You know, because at least you've got some name from a obvious orchestra. I said, okay. So then I heard off Lenny White's album, Phoenician Summers, this cat named Raymond Gomez,

who I thought, damn, this guy's got the chops like I'm wanting to hear. And then when I met him, he had the both sides, like Hendrix Blues with chops and fusionary. So I said, okay, I want,

would you play, make my demo with me, and David Sanchez, who had made his album, him on keyboards, and then a guy like Will Lee was David's bass player at the time. So then I went an epic

and made Sunday, is dancing, maybe delightful in one of the song, or maybe delightful on one of the song, three, three things. And the epic turned it down. So then walk on the streets thinking, how are you going to make it, how you're going to make it, how you're going to make? And then Barry said, just, you know, stay patient. And I got a phone call from a cat named Raymond Silva from Atlantic.

They were doing well with now Cobham. And he said, you know, you know, maybe we'd be interested in you. So then I gave my tape that I've done for the epic Of the Senate's Dancing and maybe with a few things I've cut And I met Jerry Greenberg who was at present at the time And then they offered me a deal But guess what?

They said, we want to have your publishing. I said, okay, I wanted to deal that bad. I was doing well with Wired. I wrote four songs, I was on WIRE for Jeff Beck, so I'm making money. So then they said, we want to have to publish. I said, no, I don't care. Just sign me. Give me a shop.

And they did. And then they said, you have your choice of two producers, in-house producers, are we from Mardine or Tommy Dowd. And I said, well, I love them both. But this album is more on the rock side. And I want to use this engineer from London who did the last Mahvishra album called Inner Worlds named Dennis Mackay. Right.

So I thought maybe I should use Tommy Dowd because he's more on that side of things. And I did. Tommy said, hey, let's work. And Tommy was so cool. And he just let me be me and help me. And I was in that studio, brother, where Aretha and Ray and all that, that's where I cut garden level and that main studio. And it'd be, I want to say another cat was there as Jimmy Douglas, a young backup cat.

He was my, he was the second. So it'd be him and Dennis McCoy and Tommy Dowd and my hot band of Raymond Gomez, David Sanchez, Will Lee on bass and myself. That was the core. I did a little rehearsal for it so they'd know what to expect in the studio. So we could cut it fast because, you know, you know studio time and all that's expensive so we went in there no i knew white night ray and i wrote that and late we knew how to do it i brought in a great arranging named michael gibbs who did

the apocalypse album mom ofish no because he was brilliant to range my strings when i wanted that and um then my friends came that carl santana came to the thing called first love which is beautiful yeah jeff beck came to do satan the rascal which is beautiful so i'm just really honored by that album and i'm glad that you know about it because some people don't even know about it, but that was my first solo album and my baby. Yo, yo, what up, everybody? This is Fonte, Fontevon Ticcolo, from Team Supreme. We haven't done this in a while, but this conversation was so great, and we had so much to cover that we had to make it a two-parter. Look out for Part 2 dropping next week or above this in your podcast feed.

In that conversation, Narder talks about his work with Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin, Starship, and becoming one of the most in-demand producers in all of music of all time, top flight, security of the world. Craig. This conversation was mind-blown for me, and I know you're going to enjoy it. All right? Y'all tap in. Peace. Much Love Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio.

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