The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Paradise Gray Part 2

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

Paradise Gray continues some incredible storytelling in part 2 of his QLS interview. He speaks about moments at the Latin Quarter nightclub that shaped Hip Hop history, his years with the X-Clan, and ...his collection of artifacts surrounding the culture. Listeners will understand why they call Paradise The Architect, as his passion, groundwork, and love of Hip Hop run deep.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.
Starting point is 00:00:12 Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clivert Show on the I-Hard Radio app,
Starting point is 00:00:27 Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins. But the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax. You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to. to uncover a disturbing pattern.
Starting point is 00:01:31 Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Gillespie and Michael Mancini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart radio app,
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Starting point is 00:02:12 Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wood. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best. advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot. But if you ever reach a point where you're banging
Starting point is 00:02:38 your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah. It would not be. Right. It wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to thanks, Dad, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. What's up, QLS listeners? This is Sugar Steve. Thank you for tuning in to part two of our interview with Paradise Gray. Dice is a leading hip-hop historian, a member of the ex-clan, and a true raconteur of the culture. Before this, though, listen to Part 1, where Paradise Gray discusses his Bronx upbringing, his earliest hip-hop memories, and making his inroads to help making the Latin quarter a legendary 1980s landmark for rap. Take it away, Team Supreme and Paradise Gray. All right, so the question I want to ask you is, what does this sound represent?
Starting point is 00:03:45 You ready? Yes. Go Stetson by Stetsasonic. Oh, yeah. But what does it represent? In the Latin Quarter. That's the Latin Quarter. That was the Latin Quarter anthem.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Stetsasonic. But explain to our listeners what happens when this comes on. See, what does that mean for an... See, it starts different than it used to start, too. You know, it used to start, go Brooklyn, go Brooklyn. With a B, right, right, right, right. And it was a signal for 50 cent and the Brooklyn crew that go wild start snatching chains. And going wild in the club.
Starting point is 00:04:28 Which leads to my next question. And we've had every luminary of the Latin Quarter from Special Ed to, like, Like literally everyone's come on the show, and I asked them the same thing. Knowing the likelihood of... Why did they play it? No, knowing the likelihood of some about to break out, a punch, a snatch, chains, chaos. Why would you risk your life for the love of hip-hop? Why would you risk your life for the...
Starting point is 00:05:00 And go there? Yes. Because if you didn't go there, you was a punk. Dude, let me explain something to you. First of all, the Latin Quarter was all about location, location, location. It was right in the middle of Times Square, bro. Like right in the middle of 48th Street between Broadway and 7th Avenue. This building is where the ball drops, right?
Starting point is 00:05:29 Then you got a big, empty space where they fill up during New Year's, right? And there was another building that had the Coca-Cola bottle on it. The Latin Cola was in that building. Okay. It was right in the middle of Times Square. The busiest place in New York City, bar none, right? But what was about Times Square? Times Square was all about sex, drugs, and violence.
Starting point is 00:05:57 The American dream, as American as apple and cherry pie. Okay. If people don't understand nothing else, they understand sex, drugs, and violence. Let me tell you what I did at Latin quarters. Okay. You have in one hour, you have more traffic passed by our club than anywhere in the world, right? So I took advantage of that. I used to advertise ladies free before 11, right?
Starting point is 00:06:30 And then I would make the ladies line go slow as hell. I will open the ladies line at 10 to 11. So every male driving by Times Square, a bunch of women kids are a line of women going all the way around the block trying to get in free. And then I cheated again. I will walk that line. And all the most beautiful women and all the women who had the least clothes on, I would bring them to the front of the line.
Starting point is 00:07:00 That's how to start it. I love this guy, man. So next week, every chick in that line looked like Vanity Six. Okay. And everybody, I'm like, scour, oh. I don't know where y'all going tonight, but I'm going there. Who was your closest competition during this period between when's the Latin Quarter bracket? In the beginning.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Really? You want to hit some crazy stuff. Okay. The real run of Latin Quarter's, that I had was 86 to 88. Two years? It was two and a half years. In two and a half years.
Starting point is 00:07:40 That much impact? We incubated the golden era of hip hop. It seemed like it was 15 years. I thought it was seven to eight years. No. There was, Africa, Islam, and other people would do shows at Latin quarters, but it was not a hip hop club.
Starting point is 00:07:57 The Latin quarters were the first and only legitimate hip hop dance club. Our competition that opened a few months after us was Union Square. They had Red Alert before I did. But Red worked with me a little bit, but he worked at Union Square. He helped make that pop. But the difference was it was 14th Street, which is close to the Brooklyn. Curious. I'm curious. What is the going rate to hire Red Alert to be your Friday night DJ? And how long is he spent for? Red Alert used to come directly off of the air at Kiss on Friday night and go directly to the Latin Quarter.
Starting point is 00:08:41 And he would DJ for maybe, he would get to the club around 12 midnight, like about 15 after 12. And he would DJ as much as he want. I had like four, five house DJs that also DJed there. So whenever Red took a break, you know, the party kept going. But I don't know if I want to divulge Red to pay it. this time. Put it this way. It was the top of the game for the time.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Okay. Well, I just want to know, can you make a real living? Can you make a four-figure living or a high three? I don't know about it. He ain't taking no paola. There's no one on the side. No. No, but he already had a job at Kiss.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Yeah, the station. Okay. You know what I mean? He was the top DJ on the radio. We now live in an era where a Diplo or Scrillix makes 2.5 million. Tell me about it. Or, you know, in the case of Pretty Lights, makes a least...
Starting point is 00:09:36 He'll make that every week. He's all white men? Well, yeah. Oh, okay. Pretty Lights. Pretty Lights only spends 10 times a year. See what I'm saying? You must meet his price.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Exactly. Or else he ain't coming. So thus he... I meant to business. Remember, we was struggling to exist back in these days. Remember hip-hop, we was being diss left and right. Right. You know, by our elders, Winford Marcellus and James M.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Tumey and Larry Blackman from Cameo. They were talking mad shit about hip hop. Damn, and Tumet. They were haters. Yeah, but James and Tumay wound up being one of my best friends because my elder Edwin Bird song brought us together. And I had a few conversations with James, and he understood what we were trying to do.
Starting point is 00:10:26 And he started advising us and supporting us. But the biggest supporter that's saved hip-hop was none other than elder harry bella fonte rest in peace mr bese talk about it educate real quick harry bellifonte produced beat street when all the other elders were shitting on us radio stations had tag lines like no rap no they did yes and they would play our instrumentals and not play our vocals they were totally dissing us we're not real musicians We just steal their shit. You know, we don't, we don't sing.
Starting point is 00:11:09 You know, all we do is that divit, did bit, divit, de divit, de divit, when y'all going to sing? You know? We were so disrespected. What are your top five live performance moments at the Latin quarter? Wow, that's hard. Top five. No particular one. Roxanne, Chante, Biz, Markey, and Big Daddy Kane.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Okay. And then later, Big Daddy Kane on his own. I named my book No Half Stepping because Big Daddy Kane was the epitome of the Latin Quarter. What was it about him? He had everything. He had the jewelry. He had the haircut.
Starting point is 00:11:52 He had the look, the dance, the voice, the lyrical dexterity, and he had Marley Maugh's beats. Unfuck with him. Big Daddy Kane was nothing to mess with. You could not follow him at Latin Quarters. Was he feared or respected? In other words, if you're like watching the show, I'm assuming you're watching from the booth or whatever,
Starting point is 00:12:17 I don't even know what the stage outlay is. Put it this way. K.R.S. 1 diss everybody. He diss the Jews crew, but he did not disliked Big Daddy Kane. And Big Daddy Kane wrote some of Sean Tate's disc records against K.S. Interesting. But it was a Latin quarter family.
Starting point is 00:12:37 You know, they had become family at the LQ. We didn't go against each other at the LQ. It was like the only thing that we don't have now that we had back then is each other. If 20 artists got on stage and performed that night, at the end of the day, when the club is closing, all 20 of those artists that perform was still in the damn club. Nowadays, you put five artists on after they perform, they leave and take their people that came to see them with them. Not that LQ. We stayed from the time that club open to the time it closed.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Sometimes we close eight, nine in the morning. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it still be deep in the club whenever we close the door. We'll lock the door at five. Ain't nobody else getting in. But if you already in there, man, your owner already bounced to? Let's keep the party going. This is five in the morning.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Yeah. Now, I'm, you know, in the 90s and especially in the arts, like, I don't know of any club night existence without the fire marshal coming in to shut the down. You know, the inspector coming to see. You guys never had those problems whatsoever? No. They didn't know that even, they didn't know you guys existed or. Oh,
Starting point is 00:14:02 they knew we existed right in the middle of Times Square. You couldn't help but notice us. Who'd you know? Well, we had plenty of police on our payroll. We had six undercover cops as security and a whole bunch more. And we had Mike Goldberg. It was such a brilliant businessman.
Starting point is 00:14:24 I love that dude. And he gave a 19th. year old, the keys to the club, bro. Can you imagine that? You were 19 at the time? I was 19 years old when I saw I run in Latin Quarter. Did you have any experience whatsoever in terms of negotiating or any of those things? Yeah, I used to be a street DJ. I was a hustler.
Starting point is 00:14:43 I'm from Highbridge, you know what I'm saying? I was a pool shark. But Latin Quarter is the same. But I was hanging out way before Latin Quarter. I was learning from Sal Abatella at the Disco Fever. I'm watching him. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking to Jungbug and Curtis Blow and all of them.
Starting point is 00:15:03 I'm learning from Russell Simmons. You know, I'm working with Russell Simmons, Rush Productions, and Dept to him, and since 1983. You know, I'm in the studio with Run DMC, Curtis Blow, L.L. CoolJ. I'm watching all of these things get created, and I'm learning every step of the way. I had Pete DJ Jones, who owned a bar one block from my crib. I'm learning from him when I'm seven, eight years old. I'm 12 years old. I'm DJing in the bar.
Starting point is 00:15:37 So what's, can you tell me what the general modus operandi or just the general operation of what it takes to keep that operation going on your nights in terms of what you're doing from Saturday to Thursday night, like flyers, calls, managers, money. I never dealt with managers. I never dealt with promoters. I never dealt with booking agents. All of the artists hang out with me. Before Latin quarters, I was like the hip-hop concierge of New York. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:16:18 On a Friday, Saturday night, I'm hanging with Curtis Blow, Orrin Juice Jones, Rundee MC, the Fat Boys, Houdini, all these people are calling them. calling me, yo Dice, where the party at? I'd be like, hold on, let me see. Oh, tonight it's popping at the fun house. I'll go to the club early,
Starting point is 00:16:38 let them know who I got coming later. And when they come- So you go to other bars and lure them? Yep. So there was no, like, calling Kara Lewis or any- Nah, we didn't do none of that. We dealt directly with the artists. They didn't have to pay no manager.
Starting point is 00:16:54 They didn't have to pay no booking agent. and like you're already hanging out at the club right you're drinking you got a girl you want to go to the hotel you roll up at your dice what you put me on i'd be like all right and it's just like easy as that yeah i'll go to go to uh mike goldberg and say yo mike uh just dice on a rock it's like cool i was like uh let's let's let's give him 800 he'd be like okay no hotel no limo he's right here right now here go ahead So we didn't really even have to book artists. They already was in the club.
Starting point is 00:17:31 You know, and then you couldn't touch us. You show up Friday or Saturday, Mike Tyson's hanging out, Bobby Brown's in there hanging out, the Cosby kids are in there hanging out. You know, Chris Rock's in there hanging out. You know, and every major and independent artists in New York is there. There was no place else to be. Yeah, I think on this show Paradise, you should know that I think where were we at 20 guests, at least 20 guests on this podcast alone have told Latin Quarter stories.
Starting point is 00:18:04 And most of those people that you've already named. Mm-hmm. I got one that you haven't spoken to. Who was the who was the Cochette girl? Heather. We did. We have, she lived there. What?
Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah, she told us. Matter of fact, she might have, she might kick started the early. She might kick started the Latin Quarter story. We were like, what? You lived in the Latin Quarter story? Yeah, she literally lived there. She lived in the land quarter? And she was homeless, and she used to sneak in the club, but I just let her in anyway.
Starting point is 00:18:31 And here's something that most people didn't know. At the time, she was homeless. She was in a art program in the village for homeless youth. And her teacher and mentor was Keith Herring. What? What? And to this day, she didn't tell me that. Heather's art is better than Keith Hemp.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Dude, her entire apartment is just like a bunch of sculptures. I thought she was a photographer. I didn't even know. That too. She's a sculptor and a painter. And her paintings, you could tell they have Keith having influence, but they just so more alive and compelling. Her apartment's damn near a museum, yo.
Starting point is 00:19:16 You know? Just done, but just murals and sculptures and all those things. So you had no idea fast forward that what she was going to evolve into indeed. I had a little bit of a clue. She was good with coach also. A win is a win. A win is a win.
Starting point is 00:19:38 I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way,
Starting point is 00:19:51 this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Cliverts Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.
Starting point is 00:20:27 to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one,
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Starting point is 00:21:02 Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed.
Starting point is 00:21:20 I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the Girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, everyone? I'm Ego Wadden.
Starting point is 00:21:41 My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and The Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo. Woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot.
Starting point is 00:22:00 I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come. Look for up and come. becoming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be
Starting point is 00:22:36 Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make, to the players flying
Starting point is 00:23:06 under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so-ins, correct?
Starting point is 00:23:44 I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfected. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Gillespie and Michael Marantini. My mind was blown.
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Starting point is 00:24:35 And like how y'all formed. At the Latin quarters. Really? Brother Jay and Professor Zach? So you guys were just regular dressing cats and then you formed like. I would never know regular dressing, dude. Flip through that book.
Starting point is 00:24:48 I'm looking. You guys went through a street where that morphed into... You see the cover? Yes. That's me. I know this. Then you morphed into
Starting point is 00:24:59 dapper danism. But yeah, I do want to know and now the crystals and stones. Yeah, now you're in your shaman face. which is awesome. Yeah, but how did the band formed? I was working at the Latin Quarter. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And Lumumba Professor X, the overseer, aka Lamumba Carson, he called Heidi Smith from Rush Productions earlier in the day, and he asked her if he could get some of their groups to perform at a fundraiser for an anti-drug concert in Brooklyn.
Starting point is 00:25:34 And she was like, no, we don't do that kind of thing. You know, he's like, like really she was like yeah you need to find artists who are more young and independent you know because our artists do concert series and we don't do charity like that so she said I'll tell you what go to Latin quarters and and see paradise he knows all the new artists and he'll he'll probably be able to help you put a show together she called me put him on a guest list and he showed up one day and I let him in free and he wants to
Starting point is 00:26:07 up becoming my partner because he he talked to me he saw the energy that we had at the club and I helped him do event in Prospect Park Brooklyn and I brought half the artists from the Latin Quarter to the park including stessasonic ultramagnetic boogie down productions it was crazy we had like 40 50,000 people show up in the park no violence And we tore it down and raised a whole bunch of money for the anti-crack organization that we was working with. And from that moment, he was like, Paradise, if we could bring this youthful energy to my father's movement, we could change everything. And I was like, yeah, whatever, we're going to make money? I hope so.
Starting point is 00:27:04 And I'm like, cool. So he took me to the slave theater. and on Fulton Street in Bed-Stuy. And Reverend Al Sharpton used to own that theater and do rallies there. Okay. So the day I went to meet his father, Sonny Carson, they were doing a rally there. And I walked through the door and I thought I had stepped into a tire machine or a Saturday night live skip. Because all the elders was in there, they had big silver afros and they were.
Starting point is 00:27:37 was wearing dashikis and here I am I got hazel contact lenses Jerry curl diamond rings I got a front coat on a Louis Vuitton Tam a Louis Vuitton sweater you know what I mean I had some brown shark skin suit pants you know so I go in there and I'm looking at them like they was in costumes I'm all costumed out myself right the Someone takes me over to introduce me to his father. He says, uh, brother Sonny, this is my homeboy paradise I was telling you about. Sonny stares at me without saying nothing. Looks me in my eyes, then he looks, follows down, head to toe.
Starting point is 00:28:26 And then he looks at me and says, what kind of name is paradise for a nigger? I said, well, Actually, it's not a name. It's an invocation of my goals. I'm trying to achieve paradise in my life. So every time someone says that name, it reminds me of my goals. He smiled.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Did a deep lie. He said, oh, you're a smart nigger too, huh? I'll tell you what. You see that door that you walked in? If I was you, I walk out that door fast. I came in here because if you stick around here, we're going to mess up everything you think you know. I was like, really? He was like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:15 I was like, I think I'll stick around for a minute. And he smiled at me and gave you the deep belly laugh. Sonny Carson had Mufasa's voice. You know what I'm saying? With Sunny speak, you know, the police and anybody else do that. Sunny Carson was no joke, baby. Was he right? I literally didn't know that that was his son.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Yeah. Now it makes sense. Yeah. Sonny Carson, Lamumba Carson. Was he right about what your life and how you should have walked out? Did it change? Hell yeah. And the beautiful thing about it is him or the elders never mentioned my hazel contacts.
Starting point is 00:29:56 They never mentioned my golden diamonds and the flamboyant way I dress. They just responded to my intelligence and my promotion and marketing skills. and they just taught me who I was. So I got rid of the costume on my own. I didn't need it anymore. How did Brother Jay, he was just one of my favorite emcees, man. He had just that voice. No, it's so.
Starting point is 00:30:23 Yeah, working on the first album, man, like, how did that come about? Sugar Shaff used to be one of the violators. Ah, okay. He used to hang with Chris Lighty and them dudes with Red Alert. and he was one of the guys that would carry reds crates of records from the radio station to the Latin quarter. One day, you know, he was on the subway, the two train, going to Brooklyn, and I was on the same train. We got off the train at the same stop. We looked at each other.
Starting point is 00:30:53 I was like, yeah, where you live? He said, I live right around the corner. I said, yeah, I live right here. So he stopped going to the Latin Quarter with Red Alert. So I started riding with me. And we became really good friends. and he kept telling me about his homeboy, brother Jay, who was really good as a rapper and all this.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Now, I really wasn't working with artists on that level anymore, developing them. But him and Sugar South was like 17 years old. And I kind of let them hang with me. Wait, he was 17 with that voice? Brother Jake. Motherfuck, it sounded like my dad. Like, wrote to the East Blackwoods when he was 17 years old
Starting point is 00:31:30 and spit it when he was 18. How about that? So when people make excuses and say, oh, dudes are young and I know. But that's like, like, with X-Klan to me, I just looked at him like, oh, okay, 40-year-old people can rest. They were old. Y'all just looked like, y'all look like my cool-ass uncles. Professor X was probably your cool-ass uncle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:52 You know what I mean? He was older than us. Yeah, not. Yeah. I didn't think I was older than one of y'all. Damn. My brother to the east, my brother. Definitely.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Brother Jen Sugar Shelf from my little brother. Since you mention it Now, one of our most infamous Latin quarter guests Sir, MC Search Oh, yep the book, okay. You still searching for that guy? Where you go? No, no, right, right. Right, right, right. But wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:32:24 But no, no, no, but this also involves Pete as well because it just hit me when I brought the E.P. The Cactus E.P. Mm-hmm. Three Strikes 5,000 was, there was some shots fired at the X-Klan organization. And then, of course, I forget the song, where you guys start with Pop Goes the Weasel. Oh, yeah. What was the unspoken, indirect, non-passive aggressive shots fired between those clans?
Starting point is 00:32:56 And I guess also, if you want to add it. It's a thin line between love and hate. But also today, when I was listening to Sex and Violence, there was some shots fired there, too. So wait, what happened between? When I first met Prime Minister Pete Nice, he was 17 years old. And he was going to Boys and Girls High School. And he was managed by a gentleman named Robert Lumumba Carson, Professor X before Xclan. Really?
Starting point is 00:33:31 And he was in a group called Synquanon. Right. And then once Professor X met me, now he had access to CARS one, Big Daddy Kane, Justice, he neglected the groups he already was managing, right? Which Pete Nice was one of them. So MC Search was hanging at the Latin Quarter with me.
Starting point is 00:33:55 And Pete Nice came to the Latin Quarter with Professor X. So Pete got frustrated because they didn't get any run or no focus. So Pete went to the moment and said, hey, Def Jam is interested in signing me. If you're not going to do nothing with me, could you release me? And Professor X laughed him out the door and released him. Def Jam is going to sign you. And Russell pulled a Beastie Boys 2.0. He took two independent artists that they were interested in and created third base.
Starting point is 00:34:33 And search was a cool dude, but he exaggerated a lot. And he was very popular at Latin Quarter. Okay. But he was not popular at Latin Quarter for rapping. Okay. He got popular at Latin Quarter. No. Oh.
Starting point is 00:34:50 As a joke. I used to host the shows. Me and Red Alert in Bismarck, he would snap on each other. to warm the crowd up. And there was this real fat six-foot-three dude in the crowd that called him heavy, right? This dude was like butter and ice on the dance floor. He was so big, but he was so smooth.
Starting point is 00:35:16 And so I would always pull him up on the stage to warm the crowd up. And while he would dance, Red Alert would play some joints. And I'll be like, go fat boy. Go fat boy. And the whole crowd will be screaming, go fat boy, go fat boy. And MC Search game running. Dice, Dice, can I go?
Starting point is 00:35:35 I was like, oh, God, here we go. Because MC Search thought he could dance, but he had two left feet. He was cool with us. We liked him. He was our dude. He was a great guy, but he could not dance. He could dance like stretch. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:35:51 He would try, and we would do. I mean, I'll see him do the running man and the kicky. You think that key thing? Okay, okay. With two left feet. Look, I'm trying to be swistling here. Right, I feel you. I mean, I'm working on it myself.
Starting point is 00:36:05 I'm just like. I got love for search and I got love for Pete. No. That quarter was where brothers was dancing in that club. Okay. Dude, you're not their level, period, ever. So he would run on stage and Red would play Duda James. And I would go, go white boy, go white boy, go.
Starting point is 00:36:23 And the crowd would go crazy. And they loved him. And back then it was a novelty to see the white guy with rhythm. So he took advantage of that. Right. I see. Greatly. But then as he became third base, he seemed like he was trying to be a brother.
Starting point is 00:36:40 And he was going too far with it in far as we was concerned. Like when the camera zoomed up to the back of his head, he turned around like, it's the other man. He was like, what? What is you talking about, dude? Like, what are you doing? You know, so he was the ultimate culture vulture. But he was accepted because he hung out with us and we accepted him hanging with us. You know?
Starting point is 00:37:04 Then he did the group with wound up being our good friend, M.F. Doom. And the logo was a coon face. And we didn't like that. Oh, a KMD. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it was a lot of cultural problems that we was having problems with.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Amir mentioned the hip-hop music. in his roll call. I just wanted to touch on that a little bit for our listeners who may not know what's going on. Wait, I'll get there eventually. Right. He still want to get to the part where Kenny Parker just did a blog. Right, right, well, wait. You also didn't name the other four performers at the Latin Quarter.
Starting point is 00:37:44 I was starting out hoping to get the story of Melly Mel and the pushups or the sit-ups. Oh, Meli-Mell was the Debo of the Latin Quarter. He was the filter. That's what I called him. If you got on stage and you was whack, Melly Mel was Sandman. Really? Self-appointed Sandman.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Him and Vizzy B were the most arrogant dudes ever. They were coming to club, throwing elbows at dudes. Get out the way. Get out the way. The champs is here. The champs is here. Ain't none of y'all get no money tonight. And y'all ain't getting no pussy tonight.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Because the champs is here. And you be on stage rocking. All of a sudden, you hit a crowd going crazy. You were like, oh, I'm doing it tonight. And then you take a look to the side, and Melly Mel standing there with his shirt off. Mussel Simmons in his full glory. Then he started doing push-ups real quick while you try to do a show.
Starting point is 00:38:48 You're like, I'm, uh-uh. So he's working out on the side of the stage? No, on the stage. He's on the stage with you now, doing 50 push-ups. Are you allowed to name some of the artists that he disrespected? Who remembers them? Wait, so were there some artists that perform? You never heard of them again.
Starting point is 00:39:11 They disappeared. He ate them. And no, he jumped on his feet, snatched the mic, and said, Red Alert, put on some real hip-hop. I'm tired of this bullshit. And then he would rock the house. And never cause a fight. Nobody ever wanted to fight him after they...
Starting point is 00:39:27 Who you don't want to? I'm just somebody think they're tough, you know? Man. I got a knife, so he got muscles but fuck it. It was only a couple of dudes that had the balls or the size to deal with Melly Mow. Justice and King's son. They can handle him physically. But ain't nobody wanted to try that.
Starting point is 00:39:46 Plus he's the goat. This grandma's a Melly Mow. A child is born. Damn. You ain't got no wins there until one day. Belly Mel jumped on the stage with that bragg of those shoes. I got $500. Anybody in here wanted.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Come get it right now. All y'all, he's looking at Run DMC and LL and all them. And then you heard the crowd go crazy. And you look and KRS One was standing there like this. Okay. Now, it already was some friction between the last, generation and the new generation. Yes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:25 The first shots across the bow that was successful was none other than L.L. Cool J. L.L. was not having it. Kumo D, Ice T, whoever. He was not intimidated. And if you went at L.L. he'd coming back at you. The first shots across the old school bow was by L.L. Kool J. So he got it right here. It was right here and it was bubbling.
Starting point is 00:40:51 And then K.L.S. One dropped the nail in the coffin. What happened that night? Like, can you describe, like, was it a song? Was it a verse? No. No. How do they battle? I handed KERS. One to Mike. And KERS. One did a freestyle.
Starting point is 00:41:08 First, he did, everybody in the club that he had beef with. He did it's about four people before going that metal. Roxanne Chante. He went at MC Shan, of course. Right. Cool G. Rap even. You know, I'm a professional. This is not a demo.
Starting point is 00:41:29 Chris do a bunch of shots across the radio. Oh, no. Right. I didn't even catch that. I'm a professional. This is not a demo. It's a demo. It's a demo.
Starting point is 00:41:39 I'm just catching that. See what I'm saying? So Chris was already set up to be that next dude because he had just smashed Shan, which was difficult to do. because sham was as popular as l l.L. back in them day. Shan was not no easy nut to crack. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:41:56 Shan was highly respected. And so Carous One did a freestyle. He went at Mal. And then he said, hey, yo, who won this battle? And dropped the mic. And the crowd went crazy. And Mely Mel, he was so angry. The crowd was like going for Carus One.
Starting point is 00:42:14 He didn't even rhyme yet. He started jumping up and down. It's not fair. I didn't get the goal yet. I said come on y'all this is melly mow you got at least let the man spit uh-uh melly meld dug in that brilliant brain of his and came out with one of the dopest rhymes i ever heard he was talking about spaceships and battling aliens and molecules and scientific facts and he killed it the crowd was like no
Starting point is 00:42:49 but KRS won one today. And from that day on, things started changing, you know. Big Daddy Kane got really ridiculous in there. Raq Kim came out of nowhere on them. Check out my melody. You know, Eric B for president. Red Alert was banging that, like over and over. It was a new day.
Starting point is 00:43:13 Well, okay, so where do the other three that you can name? other three that got dissed by Melly Mellie Mell? No, no, no, no. The other three, like, life-changing performances that happened at the L-Q. Big Daddy came, man. Big Daddy came. When he first came out with Scoovin's Scrap, he changed the game, bro. It was just, I mean, heavy den of boys.
Starting point is 00:43:39 Woo! When they rock Mr. Big Stuff at Latin Quarters, forget about it. Really? Yeah, man. Stasasonic, performed with my... man Bobby Simmons with the live drums. Live drums? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:52 That was crazy. I mean, it was just so many amazing, amazing performances, special ed, you know, EPMD, bro. Oh my God. They used to tear the Latin Quarter down. And then out of nowhere came the native tongues. The Tribe Called Quest, the Jungle Brothers, De La Sol, So that could fly there? Moni Love.
Starting point is 00:44:17 It was born there. Okay, I'm only asking that because it seems to me that the Latin Quarter seems more hard. Of the dapper-dam variety and then suddenly here comes like... No backpackers. Yeah, like I would figure like they were the nerds and dwebes of... So they were welcome with... Yeah, because they were already people who hung out at the Latin Quarters. 90% of the artists that broke in Latin quarters was always...
Starting point is 00:44:48 in the crowd. Kid and play was in the crowd at Latin quarters. Their name was the fresh force. Kid cool out and playboy. And they had a song called Offer Rock Me Amadeus. See, I was going to say, please don't say Amadeus. They sampled
Starting point is 00:45:05 Rock Me and did a song off a Rock Me Amadeus. And they had another song called She's a Skeezer. That sounded like my Didis. She's a Skeezer. Posse told me about that. Okay. With the same beat.
Starting point is 00:45:21 For three days later. Yeah. But then they saw the IOU and the JAC dancers. They changed their hair sounds. They changed the way that they dress. And somehow the dance that was being done at the Latin Quarter became the kid and play kickstep. So all those dances were born there. We're talking about the Steve Martin, the Bismarkey.
Starting point is 00:45:46 The Whop. Oh, my God. Dude used to kill when he performed. You know who else killed that land quarters? Who? School E.D. What? I bet.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Really? Yes. And remember, this was New Jack City, New York. Okay. You know? This was around the time of Larry Davis and the Central Park Five and Yusef Hawkins' murder. So there was a tension in the young black people at the time also. And we were angry at a lot.
Starting point is 00:46:18 You know, apartheid was going on. Nelson Mandela was still in jail. You know what I'm saying? So there was a consciousness that took over the club because it's Zulu Nation and the beginnings of the Blackwatch movement and the 5% Nation was heavy in the club. So we was all about the fifth element, knowledge, wisdom, and understanding at the same time we was creating this music.
Starting point is 00:46:45 So that is official. I was wondering, when you look up hip-hop, sometimes. Okay, the fifth element is knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. Okay. I feel like he came much later. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:47:01 Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversation. with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:47:27 One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the I Heart Radio,
Starting point is 00:47:51 app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield.
Starting point is 00:48:20 And in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no.
Starting point is 00:48:40 I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Ago Wadam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live,
Starting point is 00:49:06 and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come look for up and coming talent.
Starting point is 00:49:28 He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about it. which is really sweet. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft, and we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East-West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar.
Starting point is 00:50:27 This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd
Starting point is 00:50:50 found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story. This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in so-ins, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for.
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Starting point is 00:51:30 As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, since the sound system was ungodly? Yes. What did you guys think when y'all first heard Rebel Without a Pause? Because I heard it two in the morning on a radio with the volume down.
Starting point is 00:52:09 And, of course, like, you know, I'm talking about a clock radio. I can't imagine what it is to hear this tea kettle noise, a public enemy. That song saved Public Enemy's career because Public Enemy got booed off the stage at Latin Quarter's. and their first show. Grandmaster Melly Mellie Mell. He was on the side doing push-ups? No. He couldn't get to the stage where he was in the crowd heckling them
Starting point is 00:52:36 the whole time. That shit ain't hip-hop. They're on stage with oozy's and shit. We're trying to stop the violence. What is this? Russell Simmons, you need the son. Grandmaster Flats and the Furious Five. Putting all this bullshit on stage.
Starting point is 00:52:51 I had to literally pull Melly Mowelie Mow. the dance floor and explained to him what the S1Ws were and why they had the plastic Oosies but then they came later with Rebel Without a pause and guess what it was a hip-hop dance classic you put that record on the IOU and the JAC dances break their necks in their club off it and that inspired Chuck to step up the tempo and he realized as you get up and dance at the L-Q. Right, right, right, right. I get it.
Starting point is 00:53:33 I see it now. I see it now. I see it now. So the next question I want to know is, why did it end so early? Money, location, location, location. It was sitting on that property that was way too valuable for their them to keep just letting us little nigglets have. Ain't built a black club there since.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Yeah, exactly. They built a hotel. Right. Oh, which one? That's a double tree. The Renaissance. Yeah, we used to stay there. Wow.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Okay. Yep. The Union Square Club had closed. So all the crazy-ass Brooklyn niggas ain't have nowhere to hang out no more. So they came uptown to the Latin quarters, and they turned the Latin quarters into the okay carrile. All right. So was the myth of Brooklyn. Real, i.e., like, we just want to party, and here come Brooklyn wild and out again.
Starting point is 00:54:30 Hell yeah, that shit was true. Because it wasn't just ghost exeter that set of them off. That was a second song. There was another song that was more of a trigger than that. Which was? Brooklyn's in the house. By DC. Matt, Master, D.C.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Oh, yeah. Brooklyn, Brooklyn, Fresh. Brooklyn, Brooklyn, Brooklyn. So any Brooklyn song is just going to. It's triggered. was 50 cent and the Supreme team and the Hollis crew and the whole powder keg of different So they were all paid to get in to Jess yoke and steel chains and no well at first I mean it took a while because 50 would come to me he respected me and I would let them in free give him drink to get treated like they were stars too
Starting point is 00:55:19 Can you explain who 50 was and no we're not talking about Curtis Jackson no he was a he was a little gangster has Stug from Brooklyn. Okay. Who was one of the original knuckleheads that you just, he had no respect for nobody, not even himself. And he would come to the club with two guns and a bulletproof vest on. I would let him get the best. You wouldn't let him in?
Starting point is 00:55:41 I would, look, put it this way. Okay, right. If you let him in, he could control the other ones that's lesser than him. So instead of going wild, now they have something to lose. Yeah. Now they had status. And now they wouldn't just run up on somebody and rob them. They would come to me first and be like, yo, Dice, is that your man?
Starting point is 00:56:03 I'd be like, yeah. Yeah, man. Tell them you can't be coming up in here like that, man. Organized crime versus Dignanized crime. What would a walking target look like? L.L. Cool, J. Tell me the story. Jam Master J.
Starting point is 00:56:17 I heard that story about dragging on the floor, but he held onto the chain, I heard. Now, he didn't drag the floor. His chain is solid. They don't have no clasp. Jam Master Jay had the best chain in hip hop. But Run DMC wasn't like royalty, like untouchable? Or is it like we got to test you. Jam Master Jay had the Hollis crew with him.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Hurricane and about 20, 25 other ones. So it was the first time. It was an even match. Dude, 50 tried to snatch Jay's chain. It don't pop. Jay went with the chain. and Jay is no slouch. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Right. I went out and pulled Jay out of the melee. And he literally fought me. And when I looked in his face, he said, yo, dice, my people is out there. I let him go. He went right back out there. You know, who am I to tell him? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:57:16 But, yeah, Jammaster, Jay, let me say something about him. He was the most humble and wonderful human being ever. You know, you go to the club, Jay would be at a club, no security, no homeboys. He'd be out on tour. You find Jam Master Jay with a 40 in the hood, inner projects, 4 o'clock in the morning, smoking and drinking and telling stories and jokes with dudes he don't even know. And he had the total hood pass because he was Jam Master Jay. He was that dope.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Yeah. He taught me how to act once I became popular. Can we talk about the hip hop museum? Yes, Steve. Now, I'm told that you were collecting artifacts and whatnot since 79. 78. Okay, so how did you know? I was a kid.
Starting point is 00:58:14 How did you know instantly? I didn't know instantly, but my brother Michael, Michael Green, Coach Green. He was a baseball and football coach at DeWitt Clinton High School in the Bronx. And my brother was four years older than me. He did everything to influence me. I didn't respect or understand my brother when I was young because he wasn't a fighter. I had to fight every day. But as I got older, everything I do and everything I know really came from my brother, a photographer, a writer, artist and illustrator.
Starting point is 00:58:47 But most importantly, he collected stash. amps and coins. I wasn't into that. I get out of here with that. Then he started collecting baseball cards, football cards, and comic books. That's when I lost my mind, you know, because I was an avid reader, and comic book collectors and comic book readers is like oil and water. We really didn't make. So I started collecting my own comics. And then here comes hip-hop flyers. Grandmaster Flash, cool DJ Hurt. The Herka Lords, you know, Grand Wizard Theodore. It was like walking Marvel heroes in my hood.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Who were doing those flyers? Like was there? Buddy Esquire, a whole bunch of good phase two. Buddy Esquire and Phase 2 were the two most popular ones. But there was a whole host of people making flies back then. And they were beautiful when the hip-hop universe was like the Marvel and DC universe. me, you know? So they would have cartoon characters. I got a fly with Iron Man on it, one with Spider-Man on it, one with Muhammad Ali on it, you know, fly girls and nice cars. It was amazing to me. So I kept them. And me and my homeboy kid, Zeeke, we started trading with each other and it just became a thing in my hood that we would collect hip-hop flyers and, and, and, you know, Later on, it became everything with hip-hop on it.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Yo MTV rap cards. You know what I'm saying? Magazines, Yo, rap masters, the source, double X-L. If it had anything about hip-hop, I was hip-hop's biggest fan. I won it. So were you just naturally a pop culture junkie that just, you know, part... Like, I'm collecting stuff now. I don't know why I'm collecting it
Starting point is 01:00:52 I'm not saying to myself like okay one day I'm going to have a museum but like now I mean I'm going hard on I went hard on on on Herc's auction like now we're seeing the auction stuff so I'm like I'm doing it I guess I figure
Starting point is 01:01:08 it like okay maybe when I'm 60 or 70s I'll have these artifacts to pass on to a museum or that sort of thing in your mind are you saying like one day I'm going to open up the hip-hop museum and I'm having these artifacts there? No, I didn't even consider that.
Starting point is 01:01:27 I just knew what I liked and I loved. And I just catered to myself. I love myself. So I tried to surround myself with beautiful things and things that make me feel good. I was a little ashy skin, nappy-headed, dark-skinned kid in the South Bronx were holes in the bottom of my shoe. and hip hop gave me my self-esteem. How do you preserve everything through the years
Starting point is 01:01:56 with all the floods and robberies and everything that everybody goes through with moving a hundred times? I never had a flood. I never got robbed. My dad still live in the same apartment that we lived in since 1980. Wow.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Well, there's the answer there right there. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We had stability. So let me know what... Closet space. Okay, now I'm really asked.
Starting point is 01:02:19 That's the question that I always ask and no one answers. Yeah. You're given one minute to grab three artifacts and the rest you'll never see again. What three things are you grabbing? My original crown that I created the first crown of X-Klan. My wooden stick that I carved with a lion's face in the middle of a morph between the lion and the man. that staff is called the Iron Lion Zion. You made that staff?
Starting point is 01:02:58 Yes, okay. You carved too? Yeah, that's why they call me the architect, baby. Paradox, the architect. I see that. You know, yeah. Did you have dreams to be an actual architect in terms of... I went to Brooklyn Tech to be an architect.
Starting point is 01:03:13 Okay. And I dropped out in the 10th grade because I couldn't go through high school with holes in my shit like I did junior high. My parents are from the South. My dad, I told him what I wanted, and he said, hey, he walked me to the front door and said, everything you want is right outside this door. Everything you need, I got it in here. Go get what you want.
Starting point is 01:03:33 So I said, okay, I'm going to go get it. I went and I dropped out of high school. And within two years, I was making more money than my mother and my father combined legally. Where are your parents from? Where? North Carolina. What city? I was born in a little town called Washington, North Carolina.
Starting point is 01:03:50 What? Is that next door to you? I'm going to Little Washington. Yeah. Uh-huh. I grew up in Fayetteville. I mean, I lived all over North Carolina, but Fayetteville, Red Springs,
Starting point is 01:04:00 Robertson County, grew up in Greensboro, live in Riley, but nah, man, that's so dope. I'm homie's from Little Washington. So I was born in 1964 in North Carolina, Freedom Summer. And my mother decided when I was four years old that she didn't want me, my brother and sister to grow up picking cotton and tobacco.
Starting point is 01:04:18 So she followed her sister, Helen, my aunt, And she stayed in the Harlem with my aunt and sent me, my brother and sister, to live in the Bronxdale projects with my aunt's daughter, her niece, Susie Davis. And my little cousin who lived with us in disco king Mario's building, his name is Aaron Davis. He wound up becoming a welterweight champion of the world, Aaron Superman Davis. And he knocked Mark Breland out to take the belt. Steve, you're a, no, you're a sports expert. Well, I love hip hop in sports.
Starting point is 01:04:53 I think hip hop was a sport to us, too. It is. And surviving it is key. Wait, you didn't name the third thing, the third artifact that you received. Yeah. That first flyer was the first time hip-hop's mentioned on. It's pretty cool.
Starting point is 01:05:08 Yeah, but there's more important things? Yeah. Okay, well, record-wise. I'm just saying, record-wise. You're talking about things that I own or hypothetical. I mean, like, treasures. I mean, I have so much in my collection.
Starting point is 01:05:28 I'm not Bismarck status with my collection, but the hip-hop part of my collection, bigger than business, hip-hop collection. See, he's the one that got me into the... When I saw business stuff, I was like, oh, this is what I want to do. Spend my money. You guys spend your money on something, so that's the thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:45 Artifact, historical artifact-wise, what do you have? Jeff just shared with me that he has the records from Grandmaster Flash used in Wild Style. So, the Bob James. I still have a bunch of my original crates that I DJed with since the 70s in the Bronx. I still have my original vinyl on my break beats. Okay. You know, I have the big red, black, and green flag that X-Klan used to perform with in that we used to march in the streets of Brooklyn with Sonny Carson with.
Starting point is 01:06:24 I have a cutout of the Nause Farrowhead. From I Am? Yeah, I am record. Yeah, I have the cutout of Master Pete. You know, I've got the Master P doll that goes... No, nah, no, no. Right, okay. You know, I got so much artifacts, bro.
Starting point is 01:06:47 I do want to know, when do you feel as though the museum will have its grand opening? Fourth quarter, 2024, first quarter, 2025. And the location? Right where it is, right in the boogie down Bronx, 149th Street, and Bronx Point, baby, right on the Harlem River. Well, brother, this has been long overdue. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you for sharing with us. Sorry, we didn't have more time.
Starting point is 01:07:15 And, you know, I didn't really get to tell you all no stories. But it's all good. No, this is beautiful, man. We thank you for coming on the show. So when we have of Fontigolo, I'm Pape Bill, Sugar Steve, and Laia, this is Questlove. This is a great Paradise Grey. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:31 Support hip-hop culture, collect your artifacts. Don't dispose of things that you don't know will be, you know, one man's trash is next man's treasure. Oh yeah. Keep telling the history. Yes. And share stories and share history. And keep building the history, because while it's good that we see,
Starting point is 01:07:47 celebrated the 50th anniversary of hip hop. Make history. Now it's our time to plot the next 50 years of hip hop. There you go. And to support young artists with the real support that we need to give them, and we need to stop being the old man sitting on the porch, telling them to get off our lawn. Hip hop was created by children, and children will always rule hip hop.
Starting point is 01:08:11 So if you're old and you feel like, oh, I can't understand what they're saying, well, maybe they're not talking to your ass. My job. And there it is, ladies and gentlemen, Paradise, great. All right, we'll see y'all next couple of. Thank you. This is Shuggestee.
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