The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme Presents: May Flowers Part 1

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

From the start, Questlove Supreme has been about giving legends their flowers and celebrating their impact. This podcast has always leaned more “thank ya” than “gotcha!” Questl...ove looks back through the archives to spotlight some of the most memorable moments where we gave some thoughtful and unique flowers to those who deserve them—at times while they can still smell them.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-heart podcast. Guaranteed human. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits,
Starting point is 00:00:13 my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, the Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:00:28 So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar.
Starting point is 00:01:00 This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slical Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. When a group of women discover they've all dated
Starting point is 00:01:21 the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed, I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe.
Starting point is 00:01:40 On the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Everyone, I'm Ego Wood. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot. But if you ever reach a point where, you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of,
Starting point is 00:02:14 you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot in luck. Listen to thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon and this is my friend. He's much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far. But I'm John Green, co-hosted the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to The Away End with Daniel Auerkone and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:02:57 or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Good people. Good, y'all. This is Questlove and you're tuned into Questlove Supreme. And we got some things in the works for the future of this podcast. But in the meantime, we are looking back and celebrating our catalog. It's the month of May. So, thematically, I've been thinking a lot lately about the idea of giving people their flowers while they're still here or while they can still smell them. And this is something we always talked about on QLS. It's not just the icons, the big names, but big names. names, but the folks behind the scenes, the ones whose work and presence quietly shape the future, the ones who change the room just by walking into it or change your life by just being
Starting point is 00:03:52 than them. It's bigger than just saying, wow, you're a legend. You know, give these people their flowers. On QLS, we always try to say, and say it loud, you matter. And here's why. because if we don't celebrate our heroes, our peers, our people, who will? So anyway, today we're picking some made flowers and some of these clips from the show over the last nine years. We got the Pointer Sisters. Three different members of Cool and the Gang, Bernard Dek Cooper of Climax, producer and songwriter Le Roy Burgess.
Starting point is 00:04:25 These are all icons that you need to know what better place to begin than with the legendary Frankie Beverly. So in 2023, Cuestle of Supreme was granted an interview with Frankie Beverly. In the recent years, he hasn't done that many interviews at all. And this one was a rare opportunity. And what's more, we were able to do it in person at IHearts, Hollywood Studios, and we caught it on film. All right, so in this clip, you'll hear me, Frankie Beverly.
Starting point is 00:05:04 His family members, Will Beverly and Miss Deborah Beverly Pugh, as well as Laia and Fonnell. take a look. And I really love what Fonte says to frankly about soundtracking some of the happiest times in life for so many of us. As I called out in this episode, we titled this one, QLS gives Frankie Beverly his flowers. It's an integral part of this two-part retrospective. So would you say that songwriting was therapeutic for you
Starting point is 00:05:36 in terms of expressing yourself? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, because I'll say that. But love, like, oftentimes I think people will tend to typecast soul music and R&B as somewhat like meaningless love music or whatever. But I don't know, I think coming from you, especially the way you sing, there's such a gentle. Comforting almost. Right, yeah, and it's such a gentle. Normally gentle singers are like a, like, high, like falsetto. Stylistics.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Smoky, stylistics. and so it's very rare to hear a baritone voice that's that gentle and that sort of thing. Oh, that's nice, man. I appreciate it. No, I'm reflecting to you what you're only showing you what you are. But yeah, like in the 60s and 70s, when most lead black singers were high falsetto,
Starting point is 00:06:37 high voices, whatever, for you, was that, was that, ever an option like to figure out because sometimes like Ronald Isley will go between his high voice and his low voice but for you was there. No, I never thought of that. Oh okay. I was going to be the singer. The approachable everyday guy. Okay. I get that. And that's what he really was approachable. That's a that's a good term. Approachable. I see that. Yeah, he was approachable. What do you? What was I thinking? Yeah, what are you thinking? You know what I was just And I was like, yeah, because I was thinking about awards, and I was thinking about these Grammys and all these awards.
Starting point is 00:07:17 And I was like, to my recollection, you guys don't have a lot of those, but the acceptance of you in the community, and I've seen you speak about this before, far exceeds. So that everyday man-ism that you're talking about is worth so much more, it looks like, than the untouchableness of it all.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Right? Yeah. That's very true, honey. It seems like our people really supported us, even from a young stage too. As much as we could, yes. Yeah. No, I've been to, I've had the privilege to attending at one of your shows. You came to my hometown of Raleigh, North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:07:57 This was some years back and y'all played this amphitheater. It was outside. And I mean, you came out and it was full of people and they sang every word. They sang every word. I was like, if Frankie was, gonna chill tonight, he ain't got to sing. We gonna sing phone. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:08:14 But I think, you know, speaking to what Laid was saying, just, you know, I just wanted to make sure that we communicate to you today. You know, you were just a staple in our households. You know what I'm saying? Like your music was like always there. And it was oftentimes, too,
Starting point is 00:08:30 it wasn't just your music was there, but your music was the soundtrack to some of the best times of our lives. Like you always associated, I always associated Frankie Beverly and Mays with good times. You know what I'm saying? and like what you were saying about him singing with love,
Starting point is 00:08:43 we need love to live. That was like one of my favorite. So, like, I would always play that. A very long time ago, I sampled it. Yeah, I was like, wow. I sampled it and wrapped over it. It did not come out. I was 16.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Yo. Yeah. Shine. A golden time of the day. The shining part was the original music, the clones. Oh, my God. If you can ever mash it. Wow.
Starting point is 00:09:07 But we couldn't make the loop work instead of then we start all over again. But go ahead. Yeah, but no, no, it was just always a spirit that came through in your music and just really spoke just to all of us and just made us all feel really good. And, you know, I've seen it just the magic of you performing and people, you know, it's like you're a family member. Yeah, that's what it is. That's so beautiful, you guys.
Starting point is 00:09:31 You guys are going to make me start crying. Aw. All right. So that excerpt into with Franklin Beverly saying he was going to start crying, which is wild. It's just under a year after we take this interview that Mr. Beverly passed, so we're the ones who are crying. But that interview means so much to me and to the team. He was all smiles and he has that coolness, which you see in the video of this episode. In 2019, Questleaf Supreme got a visit from Anita Pointer, Bonnie Pointer, and their brother, Fritz Pointer.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Bonnie and Anita have since then, you know, transition, but this was a great career conversation with three. As the point, sisters are mentioned a lot on Questlove Supreme. One of the things we often did as co-hosts is leave time at the end for random or personal questions and to really give that affirmation. That happens here. And if you get a taste of the random and then some heartfelt flowers, from QLS, especially
Starting point is 00:10:47 from Boss Bill. In this conversation, we spoke about trying to get the Pointer Sisters and to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, something that has not happened yet, but I personally would like very much well to see. What was it like being a part of USA for Africa?
Starting point is 00:11:06 Oh, we are the world night. Oh, God. What a night. We had just come from the, I think, the AMA awards and went to the studio and I was in awe of everybody. I was the invite top secret? Like, what did you find out?
Starting point is 00:11:20 All these famous people and a little old beat? I went from, I went all the... What did you find out about it? And was it top secret? Like, don't... We found out like the day before because they sent us sheet music and a cassette.
Starting point is 00:11:32 And you still have that sheet music. You know, I know. That's dope. Oh, we were at Quincy's house and he has the lead sheet framed on it in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. I got a lead sheet with everybody's autograph.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I went around that night and made everybody sign my music. Oh, wow. And I got... I'm trying to know him and framed it. Sure, too. Were you kind of intimidated by anybody that was in the room? Or were you guys like, everybody? You're kidding?
Starting point is 00:11:55 Everybody was like, you! Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Then you're trying to be cool. You know, like, oh, hello. That was Michael Jackson. And you want to die. Quincy Jones, Lionel Ritchie.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Yes. Oh, my God, it was wonderful. Yeah, right. He was there. Yes. Bet Midler. What else was there? Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Chuck the time. No, not Liz. Well, Sheila E was there, I think. Sheila E, that's Oakland too, right? Yeah. That's Oakland. And Latoya Jackson was like right beside me. Tina Turner.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Was her mic on? Tina Turner. It was a wonderful, wonderful night. I mean, we got out of there. The sun was coming up. We were there all night. Did y'all ever have any experiences with Aretha while she was alive? No, we didn't.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Well, Ruth had some competition with Aretha for Dennis Edwards. Uh-oh. Oh. Here it comes. He didn't look no further. He didn't look at any brother. In fact, her daughter. By Dennis Edwards.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Wow. The one who's singing with her. Oh, okay. Her daughter who's singing with her is a product of Ruth and Dennis Edwards. And she and Marito were dating Dennis like around the same time. always do you wow wow
Starting point is 00:13:22 I'm so frozen I didn't even do my sound effect I'm doing my sound up at right now too much information baby well you know I have to say that enough this is a pleasant pleasant surprise again
Starting point is 00:13:43 Bonnie's such a a fan in their mind of yours for the longest. So I'm glad to finally have met you. I never thought. Thank you so much. I would meet you. Thank you. Same for you.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Your whole family. And again, yes, rock and roll hall of fame. That got to be next year. We got to start on the Hollywood in Walk of Fame. No, need that.
Starting point is 00:14:09 You need that. You need the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And I'm in the Arkansas Black Hall of Fame. That's beautiful. That's good, too. I'm going to get all. I have.
Starting point is 00:14:21 I got a trophy and everything. Yeah. It all counts. It all matters. I just want to say. That guys matter. Yes, it does. I just want to say to echo something Fonte said earlier today,
Starting point is 00:14:33 you guys were my childhood. And every time I listened to your music, I'm just taking back to such a wonderful place and time in my life. Oh, that's so wonderful. Just to be sitting across with you guys, like, I'm beside myself. This is so fun. We're kind of kicking out here. We're more cool than this.
Starting point is 00:14:50 We see, we taught you well. So we. We taught you well. I see that T-shirt you have on. You got a lot of good information from the morning. One question I just have before we break. Mavis Staples. Was she an influence?
Starting point is 00:15:05 Oh, Lord. Yeah, we were listening to a song. We did respect yourself. Oh, yes. Oh, in Vegas. And Fritz brought up a CD and we played it last night with us singing. in Vegas at Caesar's Palace
Starting point is 00:15:18 singing Respect Yourself Wait a man Maybis was Did you guys do that with Bruce Willis? Yeah June did it Yeah
Starting point is 00:15:27 June did with Bruce We were on the road But Yeah And Fritz was very good friends With Mavis Staples And we had some fun Fun times together
Starting point is 00:15:35 I was Yeah And I was also good friends With Purvis He was a good friend of mine Okay Purvis You were on the nightclubs
Starting point is 00:15:44 In Chicago Yeah he would go to those nightclubs and you go in there, oh my God. They have a gun sitting right there on the desk. I'd be like, is this where we have sound check? Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:15:57 You have the guns. Ladies and gentlemen. I just got one of the silhouets from that to plenty. No, you know what that is? That's a tattoo. I will wear it. Look on the back. It's a tattoo.
Starting point is 00:16:08 It's a logo like that. You got to be like a SoundCloud rapper. Put it on your face. Oh, Lord. Oh, God. I won't wear a bonnet for him. Yes, body body. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:16:21 Okay. I appreciate it. Thank you for coming on the show today. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for bringing so much joy. I love you. I love you.
Starting point is 00:16:29 I love you. I love you. Thank you. That was Anita, Bonnie, and Fritz Pointer, or QLS from 2019. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,
Starting point is 00:17:13 and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.
Starting point is 00:17:32 Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either.
Starting point is 00:17:58 We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends, Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:18:39 This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects.
Starting point is 00:18:57 From hidden traits, teams look for, to the biggest mistakes franchises make, to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice Podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok.
Starting point is 00:19:21 What's up, everyone? I'm Ago Vodam. My next guest, you'll see. know from Step Brothers Anchorman Saturday Night Live and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Farrell. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day and I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet.
Starting point is 00:19:54 He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be.
Starting point is 00:20:19 Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars, and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old.
Starting point is 00:20:45 I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic. of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game.
Starting point is 00:21:10 I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We have Robert Cool Bell on QLS in 2021. It was the first of a series with band members. This whole conversation had flowers from Kuhna Gang's excellent transition from jazz funk to disco, message music, and more. Here's the tail end of that combo, which I loved. What are your three personal favorite songs that you've done?
Starting point is 00:21:57 done in your catalog. That's kind of of one. Summer Amanda's definitely one. Hollywood Swinger. Okay. And of course, celebration. Now,
Starting point is 00:22:15 Hollywood Swinging is all about when we first was going about to Hollywood. And again, Frankie Crocko, Frankie Hollywood Crockley. He broke that record. in New York along the ladies' night. Can I ask you a capitalistic question before we go?
Starting point is 00:22:34 If you were to stop doing music right now and no other music existed, could you tell us what Cooling the Gang song could feed you for life? If I was to stop doing music? Yes. Like if you were to stop doing music and didn't care about any other songs, records or whatever,
Starting point is 00:22:49 what's the Cool and the Gang song that has been feeding and will feed you for life? Oh, well. that's that's celebration I'm saying celebration I wasn't sure it so many Hey cool Is even
Starting point is 00:23:08 they're gonna do a whole big thing I think TikTok whatever that company Oh get it cool get it And someone matters I mean Will Smith I mean the movie Locked and Yeah
Starting point is 00:23:21 Even what's my man LaVonne James did a summer mad he's up on dumping diving into the swimming pool with summer mad summer mad something. It might be some of madness. See, not some of the celebration. It might be some of it. No, it's definitely celebration. Oh, yeah. Celebration ain't never going to die. Ever. Go ahead. Go ahead. Bar Mitzvah. Yeah. Hey, cool. The DJ played celebration at my bar mitzvah in 1983. Did you ever get paid for that? Dude, at mine in 1983. 93.
Starting point is 00:23:53 same thing. Yeah. Wait a minute. I will ask, have you guys ever done celebration at a wedding or at a bar mitzvah as cool in the game? Yes.
Starting point is 00:24:07 And what is that rate? I'm stealing my capitalist bag. How do I get that at my next? A heavy price. I want to leave on this, though. When Super Bowl, yeah, it was the Steelers.
Starting point is 00:24:23 And who was in that Super Bowl? In 1980. Were they playing the Cowboys? I'm not certain. I'm still not there. I know. Look it up, Steve. Bill?
Starting point is 00:24:38 And the Steelers won. That was that one, and the Steelers won by that one touchdown. Okay. And the last few minutes of the game. So we were scheduled to play for whatever that team was anyway and I only came to us and said will you guys please don't play celebration
Starting point is 00:25:00 you serious? 2009 against the Cardinals but we didn't play celebration you did not play celebration because they lost that game okay well then ladies night it is Anyway, I want to thank you guys for the support of me.
Starting point is 00:25:24 You're just, you're a whiz, man. You know, you asked me questions that I have to remember again. I mean, you know, I'm just your legacy. Wait, Fonte, did you have one last question? Oh, I was, yeah, I had a question about Fruit Man. Was that song, is that a reference to the Fruit of Islam? No, but Ricky West wrote that song. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Okay, I got you. Yeah, we just came over different ideas in concert. You know, back, you know, the day the fruit band come by at the truck and you want to get some watermelon and find out. Uh-huh. Yes. Wow. Okay. But good try.
Starting point is 00:26:04 No, I thought I heard that. I really have heard or read that somewhere. I didn't know. It's the fruit like a bean. Motherbell. We had this conversation before, and y'all was laughing at me and called me old. And I was trying to explain to you all between. at least the fruit, the fruit and the fish man were the same dude on my grandmoms block.
Starting point is 00:26:23 I remember the fish man. We didn't have a fruit man. We had a fish man. Well, you see the look on lion's face right now. I don't believe you. I think you're talking about your auntie down south. Not in Philly. A fish man.
Starting point is 00:26:33 Yes, in Philly. Yes, like, just like Mr. Softie comes by every, you know, every 430 on, you know, on his route. However, I will say the watermelon man is still a very real thing in a lot of different cities. Yeah, but for Southwest Philly, like the fish man would just, you know, the back of his truck would be like a whole bunch of ice and a whole bunch of fish. He just go up and down each block, sell mackerel, porgies, like different types of fish. And then the next day he'd come back, same truck, clean and have vegetables. Next day, fruit, like, they would take fruit to the hood. Like, that's the thing I miss.
Starting point is 00:27:12 That's dope, though. What? Having the fruit man deliver, you know. Now we got to go to the suburbs to get the good fruit. Bill said what? You want to trade your life? Would you say, Bill? Long Island didn't have any man in a car.
Starting point is 00:27:25 We had to go to the store. Yeah. Hey, man. It was different in my station. That's because y'all had stores. It was called food. It was called food deserts. Oh, we getting to know each other.
Starting point is 00:27:39 America. Brother Cool. I want to thank you personally for, you know, your legacy and sharing your story. with us. Yes. Don't forget to support Le Kool. In the new album. Send me a bottle. Absolutely. Yeah, Jenna said to hers, she was like, yeah, my stepmom loves that. So I was like, I got to get some. I'm going to go back.
Starting point is 00:27:58 That Le Kool. Okay. Is that my love to watch? Yeah. We're drinking on some Le Koo. All right. So we got the rosé for the late days. Oh. That's all you had to say. So ladies and Rose. Okay. Ladies, night, Rose. So Rosee, Leigh. Come on, Marie. that stereotype. I do like that. QLS also had Kuhnigang's drummer, Funky George Brown,
Starting point is 00:28:23 in late 2023. I asked him the same question. This interview was taped in September, and George passed that November. That loss hit me hard because it was amazing to have George share history as we compiled several oral histories of Kulner Gang. Could you tell me,
Starting point is 00:28:47 what your three favorite cool and gang songs are but can you also just tell me what was your favorite song to create well wait are you one of those there are all my kids and I can't separate them no no no I'm not what it was guys I cook wild and peace grow from the wild and peaceful album okay that the title song I remember John Coltrane okay I love that too yeah boo boo boo you That and it's just really none of the hits. That's fine. Like for us, those are the hits, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:29:26 Little children is one of our favorites of all time. Yeah, all the ladies, children. Yeah, man. You know. Never, don't change. The third would be fruit man. No, we got some rhythm songs in the Caribbean Festival. Okay.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Yeah. I'll take that. had all that looseness in it that you'd find in some of that. And so when you hear it, you go, oh, man. Da, da, da, da, ba-ba-da-ba-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. You know, the horns, you know, da-da-da-da-da-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-da-a-da-a-da-a-da-a-da. You know, it's that group, and you got that, so it was great. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:12 So making, making those three like your favorite. Yeah. You know, as I said, the top of the show, man, it's really kind of our mission here on the show just, you know, to give flowers to legendary people that otherwise might not get their just do as far as, you know, the legacy that they set forth. And definitely, you know, for all of us here, you know, cool and gang represents, I mean, it's an institution of just brilliant. And, you know, it sustained all music, all times. you know, all spaces and still strong to this day. I mean, even my band, you know, goes through a cool and gang moment in our current show.
Starting point is 00:30:56 And, you know, the songs are... Plus you have Jermaine. Jermaine Bryson? Oh, Tuba, yeah, Jermaine, yes. I know that he plays with you guys. Tuba's brother. Yeah. Yeah, he plays with them now.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Yeah, man, but we just thank you for coming on the show and we appreciate your, your legacy and everything that you've done. All your break beats and everything. We love that. We love it to death. Thank you. I'm not going to say it's been a long hard road,
Starting point is 00:31:30 but a long, beautiful road being as a creator, because Ronald and I sit and come up materials. He and I, especially back in the late 70s and early 80s, that's what we did. we just set in the studio and reverse things, put together live albums, you know, from all the tapes. You know the deal. Yeah. And just had a ball.
Starting point is 00:31:57 It'd be in the whole night, six o'clock in the morning. You say, I'll see it a few hours, come back again, and that whole... That's worth everything, you know, as far as creative people is concerned. That's worth it all, you know. And it becoming successful, too. And if it doesn't become successful, you go back in your tweet. What did we do? What's going on?
Starting point is 00:32:25 And I appreciate you having me on as well. Thank you, put me in here, man. Thank you. But it makes, just like all of us, it makes it a little harder. You know, when you go, I love your music. And then you got, you know, that whole thing. The fan of the Dore and loving fans. But truly, truly heartfelt, thank you.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Well, thank you. From the same amazing family tree is James J.T. Taylor. QLS had him on the show last year. J.T. was with the group when they got inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And, of course, he joined in the late 70s and the early 80s boom. And we really hit it off. There was some serious flowers in this episode. And JT has continued to really support QLS, and we love you, JT. Taylor.
Starting point is 00:33:20 All right, enjoy. In the history of you being a professional singer, has anyone ever yelled fire and rain to you from the audience? You did steal my question. I was honestly wondering about that today. Look at his victory pose. That's great. No, I used to sort of study the publishing stuff in credits and like sort of books. And I was always wondering if the publishing ever got crossed between you guys, you know, on anything.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Not the money. At that time, he was making big money. We weren't. But I used to, when I first went solo, the publishers got things mixed up. In fact, at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he came over to my room. room and I'm in the dressing room and he came over to meet me. He said, I always wanted to meet you. I said, really? No. That was the first time y'all met? That's the first time we met. I wish I could have been there for that. Yeah, man. And he came over and we hugged each other
Starting point is 00:34:30 and we shared, share some, you know, conversation. And I told him that story. I said, I was getting these like kind of country songs, man. And, you know, my manager said, wait a minute, I think this was supposed to be for the other James Taylor. So we had a laugh. And I said, I want to do something with you. He said, let's do that. You know, so that may happen in the near future. Just my voices. I approve of that.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Do you know Marvin ever heard your nod to him or take my heart if you want it? I don't know, man. But I would tell you, because, you know, I'm a big Marvin fan as well. But we were doing the, that's when I was still with Cool. We did the rain, I think the rainbow room or the rainbow theater in London. and we're on stage because I don't know what song we were singing and I looked to my left over in the corner and Marvin is standing in the way
Starting point is 00:35:24 man I was like he was living there at the time yeah he was living there right so of course I had to bring them on and just walking on stage place with berserk and you know he walked off and we were taking a picture to the other he look he's looking over at me like this you know looking down on me You said, J.T., you know I can slam dunk you, you know that, right? I said, brother, I can play ball too. Let's do this.
Starting point is 00:35:51 We never got to play. But he was amazing, man. I would have loved to just take the ball to him a little bit. He was a tall. He was kind of a tall guy. I see. It would have been tough. But yeah, but no, I don't know if he ever did.
Starting point is 00:36:06 It's one of my favorite adlibs of yours, man. Like Marvin. I love that song. I was actually talking to George, because George wrote the song. And I was like, who, who, who, who. I said, like Marvin. Like Marvin, huh? Right.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. You know, there was a time period in which videos were not necessary, but could be an option to help you sell a little more if you were trying to get your stuff played on like top of the pops or, you know, if you couldn't get to Europe in time. What was the video process like?
Starting point is 00:36:38 Because even that video for misled, which I'll never. understand, like, are you just showing up and like, okay, is a chasing with an Indiana Jones and a bunch of white ghost dancing around me? Yeah, right. Well, you know, you know, of course, I've always been into film, you know, and like even right now, you know, the future project that I'm working on now, I'll tell you about that in a minute. But because I was in the film early in my life, I was able to, when videos came along,
Starting point is 00:37:11 I could process everything that's happened because most of our songs was like a storyboard. You know, and you mentioned misled. It was about, you know, it was basically Calisa's life story, part of his life story and my input. And it was the metaphor of the white dancer was like, she was like the cocaine that people were taking,
Starting point is 00:37:33 you know, misleading, looking beautiful and everything and taking you down that rabbit hole, you know. and my nephew who played the young kid. That was my nephew, yeah. You know, and so to bring that part, and that was theatrical and the special effects. So, and then the one thing that happened on that video was that we said, how are we going to get the band in?
Starting point is 00:37:58 And I wrote most of that concept. I said, well, you guys are going to be, you know, incognito as well. And it's a dream state. So that's why, you know, that happened. And then when we came at the end and they were like, JT, we got to go, man, we got a gig to do. They were in the dream and that's when they turned around. So Michael definitely influenced that as far as the video because remember, MTV wasn't playing us. And Michael turned that around.
Starting point is 00:38:26 So that's when the whole video thing for black artists started kicking in. And we knew that Michael had raised the bar. So we had to raise the bar because if you remember on most of the charts, if we knew Michael was coming, we had to get our position first. Because as soon as he came, he knew we're going to knock you out of number one. But being there in the top five or top 10,
Starting point is 00:38:51 that means in the stores, your music was right there long aside his and it would help your sales. All of that, the video world, actually helped me with the project I'm doing now and what my future is going to be. Got it. At the time when you guys get involved,
Starting point is 00:39:08 invited to do Band-Aid? Do you have any inkling of a clue what you guys walked into? No, because we were on tour. Y'all just had a night off in London? No. We were actually just,
Starting point is 00:39:23 I don't know if we, I think we did have a night on, but the thing that bothered me was that they had mentioned, I think, on the news or something that, you know, with all of these big stars there, and when we got there, there was no cameras.
Starting point is 00:39:38 And I remember telling DT, I said, you know, it was the press, man. And our people telling about the press. And we walked in. No one said, you know, okay, J.T., you're going to be doing this and it's going to be doing that. We kind of just walked in the studio and everybody was just sitting around the room. And Phil Collins and Geldorf and they were behind the board. And they just kind of waged. And, you know, and later on I thought somebody mentioned that they wanted me.
Starting point is 00:40:08 me to do the part that, what tonight, thank God is done? And I didn't, and I'm glad they didn't ask me, because I would have never done that part. You're talking about Bono's line? Yeah, Bono's line. Thank God it's you, it's them instead of you. I said, well, I would have never saying that anyway.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Because that's just a little too much for me, you know. I wouldn't thank God as you. You know, that's not my vibe, you know, for me. But, yeah, it was awesome, man. But we still didn't know how it was, going to come out. I just enjoyed, you know, meeting, you know, sting and filled. But it was intense. It was like no time to really hang out and talk about it. And when they put us
Starting point is 00:40:50 all on the stands together, it was just like, okay, this is what we're going to sing. We learned the song. And we went through the process. For you, what was the best, like, when you think of, like, the good times or whatever, like places you played or even people you met or people that you never thought you meet what's a career highlight for you of something like wow I can't believe this happened
Starting point is 00:41:14 there's many but I think going to Africa for the first time was monumental because I remember when we were at House of Music once
Starting point is 00:41:31 and this was doing apartheid and this age came to the studio and asked us to play. And that's when everybody was refusing to play Sun City and was part of our protests. And I remember looking at this guy, almost tearing up that how could he have the nerve
Starting point is 00:41:54 to come here and ask us to perform there knowing the atrocities that were going on? Right. And I remember we got a silver record, I think from South Africa. And when we got it, I said, I refuse to hang this up in my house until Mandela is freed. And I put it in the closet. And when he was freed, I took it out and celebrated that.
Starting point is 00:42:25 But I think going to Liberia and then learning about the slave quarters and where our people were brought from the shores. and things like that, the Ivory Coast up and down, you know. And I always felt like I didn't want to take money out of there. Like, like I, because it wasn't really built up as much like God. I'd write it like it is now, you know, and I just didn't understand. Well, I understood, but I didn't feel good about doing a concert and taking money from a place that we should have just left it there, you know. But I think Africa was still to the day, the feeling I get that touches my heart most.
Starting point is 00:43:16 One, congratulations on getting in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yes, thank you. Were you surprised or were you actively hoping for this? Well, you know, I tell the story. I said, when I think back to being at 13, you never think about it. You never think about any accolades. At least I did. My whole thing was just a love for music, man.
Starting point is 00:43:38 And, you know, when they told us about the rock, of course, I called all my family, and I think they announced it on the American Idol or something like that. And we were all sitting around watching, waiting for it to come on when they said, bam, cool the gang, my phone jumping off the hook, people talking about how can I get there, I want to come. We had a lot of family there, but it was just a combination of all of the years of the sweat, being away from my family. my family, having my family there and joined some of it coming into Cooling the gang and then leaving the group. And also, you know, I brought everything from Hackensack High School to, you know, the bands I was in to, you know, Jersey City. Anybody that I met along the way were a part of it. And that's including you, your group, the Philly Sound, Motown, you know, anything, it was like I was, it was like I was bringing all of you with me.
Starting point is 00:44:41 You know, and then, of course, you know, to find out that you were going to be with me, I'm like, oh, man, this is too good to be true. You know, so, you know, when I walked up and met you, you know, I was like, yo, right in the middle of playing, yo, man, what's up? And I got a good picture I want to send to you about that, too. I was nervous, man. I was, you know. Well, you were nervous.
Starting point is 00:45:00 Come on, man, you were smacking. No, I mean, but just you were the only legendary illuminate. of like my life sound check track that I haven't met yet. You know what I mean? So yeah. Yeah, it was awesome. In the Kooling gang adjacent universe, there is Leroy Burgess. Last month, Fonte cited this 2023 two-part of conversation as one of the most underrated episodes of QLS.
Starting point is 00:45:28 We were delighted to have Leroy with us and he gave us the kind of history that you can't find in a Wikipedia page. while we got the chance to celebrate his career, let's listen in as he tells us about a musical bloodline that is truly mind-blowing. You know, I told, like, some of my friends and luminaries and music heads that you were coming on the show. I have to say, you're probably the most connected human being I know because the first response that every music head tells me
Starting point is 00:46:03 when I'm like, yo, we're about to get him on the show. They tell me like, yo, you know, you know he's related to Tom Bell, right? Yo, you know he's related to Archie Bell, right? You know he's related to Ronald. How many? The Bells. It's the Bells, huh?
Starting point is 00:46:17 So you're trying to tell me that Tom and Robert and Ronald of Cooling Gang and Al Bell of Stacks and Archie Bell of it. You're all related? Yes. Wow. How come no one has put two and two? Yeah, I don't know. Listen, we don't.
Starting point is 00:46:36 We don't know. No, well, here's disturbing with that. Patty LaBelle? That's a stretch. Come on. Alexander Ramble? No, no. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:50 I thought Patty was the stress, but boy. Right, right, right. Ricky Bell? Yes. We are all descendants of an enslaved individual named Prince Bell. from the 1820s and 18, you know, 1860s, 70s or something like that. Prince Bell had a total of three wives. With each of his wedding unions, he made a bunch of kids, right?
Starting point is 00:47:24 Those kids became my grandparents and my mom and my dad. And the same is true for Tom Bell, or the Bell brothers from Kuhn and the gang, Jerry Bell, from the dad's band. Wow. Al Bell, Ricky Bell from Bell Bid DeVoe. I was only playing. That's real?
Starting point is 00:47:47 Yeah. God damn. Outside of the Bell family, or Judge Mathis, Greg Mathis is a cousin and the actor Richard Browntree. All of us are descendants of Prince Bell. The Bells.
Starting point is 00:48:02 I also heard Betty Wright as well. Betty Wright. I met Betty Wright in Who are you leaving out? Are we related to Lee World Burgess? Right, right. Yes, we are. Well, I believe that I'm related to everybody in the world.
Starting point is 00:48:17 I mean, well, I see why. That's crazy. Yeah, so. Shout out to Fire Burgess, who also, I mean, you know Fire, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, player, absolutely. Yeah, Fire. Absolutely, Fire Burgess, who definitely want this episode to happen.
Starting point is 00:48:34 While, you are connected to everyone. Right. So when I think about where, you know, was I predestined to enter the music industry, I'm kind of leaning towards feeling like that's because there's so many luminaries in my family that are not just in entertainment, but in music specifically, who have made a definitive mark on the industry as a whole. I'm just bringing up to rear. The Thomas Bell thing might be real, too. I'm just saying. It was predetermined.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Like, your future was, everyone in your family has singing talent and is push the envelope. That's crazy. Can I just ask who found who first? Like, when did y'all know that this was the story behind your family? Yeah. Combell, back in my, when I was very, very young. Alexander Grand Bill was what I meant. Four or five and a six.
Starting point is 00:49:35 and stuff like that, he used to come to the family picnics down that we used to have, down in Jamesburg, New Jersey. We still have them in the same place every year. He used to come, and I used to follow him around like a little pubby dog, right? Because he was always talking music. That was, then he stopped coming, right? Fast forward to about 19, somewhere in the 1990s, the Bell, the South Jersey Bell picnic couldn't happen. the North Jersey Bell, the Bell Aiken's picnic happened, and my mother traveled to that because I was on the road, right? That's where my mother met Cool, Cool, and Robert and Ronald and all of, and Kevin's mother. And she was, my son singing the music. Oh, too, my son, my son, Black Ivy, who's your son, Koon again? Oh, what a little do? Right. So,
Starting point is 00:50:35 Wow. So that's how they, and then a wonderful cousin of mine that I didn't know, I met her on Facebook. Her name is Geneva Norman, right? And she asked if she was a cousin and she relayed. And then she presented me with a document, the Bell family history going all the way back to Prince Bell, right? And it contained every single, everybody.
Starting point is 00:51:05 in the whole family, including all my brothers, all my siblings, all my cousins, all, you know, it was just really a definitive document, 16-page document that told me who everybody was and where everybody was and so forth and so on. So as I proceeded through life after finding that out. The last one that I met officially was Betty. Before she was called to the Lord, when she was called to her ascension, I met her on the National Army Music Society was giving her a lifetime achievement award. And I was, you know, I was present at that awards presentation. And I walked over to her after she got the award. And I said, Congratulations, Ms. Wright.
Starting point is 00:52:01 By the way, I'm a descendant of Prince Bell. And she jumped up and said, cousin and hug me. And so, you know, things like that. That's been my life to, to, with Jerry Bell from Dasband and formerly of New Birth. He was the lead singer of New Birth. Yes. I performed with New Birth. And I believe didn't, didn't he eventually join Cooling the Gang in 87 when J.T. left.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Jerry Bell is the one that's saying Letterwell, whew, him. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, that explains it. That explains it. That is what, yo, because you don't understand when they made an album, 1987 or 88. Okay. And, you know, JT had left the group. Okay. And they did an appearance on Soul Train. And Don was trying to put two and two together.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Like, wait, where I know you from? Where I know you from? He said, oh, man, Dazbin. And that is, wow. Okay. They're cousins. Yeah. That is crazy. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,
Starting point is 00:53:36 or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard,
Starting point is 00:53:53 but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind. the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network, On TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends.
Starting point is 00:54:47 I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no.
Starting point is 00:55:08 I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports
Starting point is 00:55:37 Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make to the players flying under the radar, this is the insight you won't hear anywhere else. If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. What's up, everyone?
Starting point is 00:56:07 I'm Ago Vodam. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day. And I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings.
Starting point is 00:56:30 I'm working my way up through and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know.
Starting point is 00:57:00 The cat just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars. And now, I guess, also is the co-host of the away end, a brand new world soccer podcast.
Starting point is 00:57:22 I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist. And John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game, and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.
Starting point is 00:57:39 For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years, since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, it's hope, it's heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty.
Starting point is 00:57:59 Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so in 2021, we also had Stephanie Mills on the show. Stephanie did not mince words when it came to her opinions on things, but she did with a love and care for the music, especially her peers. And, you know, Team Supreme showered Stephanie with love. And she gave it right back. And there's a clip reflective of that energy. Do you even make sense of what's happening today at all?
Starting point is 00:58:42 Or is it just like R&B? Well, I think that they've just kind of like killed R&B. They're trying to. But we're trying to hold on to it as, you know, no. I think it's very easy for people today to become pop stars. And they use the word legends and icons and things very loosely. And I think that's why a lot of people can't sing live. I mean, a lot of shows are taped.
Starting point is 00:59:13 A lot of shows, you'd be surprised. I've been on the road with quite a few artists, and mostly predominantly their whole show is taped. Yeah. But I come from theater, you know, and I'm so glad. I'm so thankful every day that, you know, I've learned how to sing whether I can hit that note that night,
Starting point is 00:59:34 or point to my background singer and hit it. But what I do before I go on the road is I sing all my songs every day so that I can sound somewhat like I sounded, you know, and people won't be scared to hear me. I do sing every day because I just love to sing. But today's music, I don't think any of today's music, you'll hear five and ten, 15 years from now, like you do, Stevie and Aretha and the people from the set.
Starting point is 01:00:04 70s and 80s. I don't think that you'll hear this music today. Wait a thing, y'all. Not one. I'm trying to think in my head, like, what you're, I'm sorry. I was trying to argue that fact, but, okay. I don't know. I mean, I love Jasmine Sullivan, but I love her as a vocalist. A Deborah Cox, I think is a brilliant vocalist. And, um. But that's still not in this past, in the next 10 years. in this lasted years. And that's not, that's not like immediate.
Starting point is 01:00:39 Like, do you think that we'll hear Cardi B stuff 10, 15 years from now? Right. No man. Or Lizzo, you know, that.
Starting point is 01:00:47 And that's not to take away from anybody. I'm not, because I don't knock anybody pusher. But I just don't think that, you know, their music is going to last 10, 15 years from me. Miss Stephanie, I was going to ask,
Starting point is 01:01:00 so with your jam with hip-pop, when hip-hop, you know, kind of came into the, just into the industry. You know, every episode of Unsung, they all have the same story. It's like they were doing great and then rap. Hip-hop came. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? How, what was it like for you?
Starting point is 01:01:21 You know what I'm saying? When you saw the industry kind of starting to shift and you saw what hip-hop was becoming, what was that like for you and what was your relationship to hip-hop, if any? I didn't have a relationship with hip-hop. But I enjoyed it. I mean, I, I don't know. I guess I'm different because I just, I just keep doing me. I just kept doing what I did.
Starting point is 01:01:43 I didn't try to change and try to adapt, you know. I just kept doing another version of me, whatever that, you know, just keep doing another version of me. I love hip hop. You know, I, I would, I, on my Christmas album, I wrapped. I wrapped Rudolph the Red Nose. Okay. Bars.
Starting point is 01:02:03 You know, I. Fars? Fours, yes. But I don't know. I just, you know, everybody has their thing to do. And I think, you know, hey, you just keep on going and it would come back around. I've seen it. But it didn't bother you, like, the unsung thing.
Starting point is 01:02:20 It didn't bother me. It didn't bother me. No, I didn't freak out about it now. Because I could always go and do theater or I can do other things. So I didn't, I didn't like, oh, God. No. I didn't want to do it anymore anyway. If there was a show,
Starting point is 01:02:36 what would the show, is there a show you have in mind that you would love to do? Yeah. As far as theater? Yes. Melba and I are going to do that. Oh.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Oh. It's a two woman show. Oh. Make it happen. Yeah, we're writing it now. Oh, yes. I'm here. We're here for that.
Starting point is 01:02:52 We're writing. Melba is just wonderful on stage. We did a, we did a show called a, if your hats could talk, and it was just wonderful being on stage with her. Oh, I can't wait. We talked recently and she was like, let's work together. I said, let's do it.
Starting point is 01:03:08 We found a writer. So they're riding it now. Oh, it's good. Get my ears ready. Okay. Since I wasn't going to ask the question, but mine as well, have you heard back from Sam Smith since you clad back out of? Oh. I totally forgot about that.
Starting point is 01:03:28 She's the arrest. She brought smoke. I love it. You know what? You know what it is. This is really what it is. Talk about it. People don't really know my personality because I've always just been a singer and on Broadway,
Starting point is 01:03:44 but I'm really just a hood girl from Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying? I'm really just that girl. And I love Michael. He's not here to take care of herself. And I, to speak up for herself. And I get tired of people who I know have copied sounds. I mean, Sam Smith is nothing but Sylvester, all over.
Starting point is 01:04:03 Damn. Because you put the investor all the time. So I, you know, when you say you don't like our music, how can you say that? So I really had to, I felt like I have to say something. And my manager's always like, okay, I'm going to let you say this, but you got to say it like this. Because sometimes I just think people need to back off. I don't like when they need an education. And they need an education.
Starting point is 01:04:32 They need it. And I don't. think people should say things about people and they're not here to defend themselves. That part. I mean, if you wanted to, it's just like when 50 was talking about Michael and, you know, and then his, his daughter said, please don't talk about my father. And then 50 wanted to, you know, she's a child. You know, so I kind of, I said, why don't you talk to me? I'm more your speed. I'm more older. You know, so I just, I just don't like when people are bullies. I don't like bullies.
Starting point is 01:05:01 I know. There you go. Stephanie Mills. Stephanie Mills, I'm telling you, Stephanie Mills, Dion, Ward, they set in Twitter on fire. Yeah. He doesn't play. Dion does not play.
Starting point is 01:05:13 And you know who else didn't play? Aretha, Aretha didn't play. She didn't play. Really? Oh, no. What was she like? Did you, y'all ever work together than anything? Or were y'all just colleagues?
Starting point is 01:05:23 I lived in Detroit for a couple of years and she used to come. I did a play there. And she used to come and see. me and towards the end of her life, we would talk. I talked to her about two months before she passed away. And she told me a lot of things about Motown and how Barry started it and how her sister was involved and her father. And it's a conversation I could never talk about.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Right. I loved Aretha. But Aretha took no prisoners. When I tell you she didn't, she didn't. Oh, we know. Yeah. Yeah. I know.
Starting point is 01:05:59 So I, you know, I guess in closing, I would just like to know from this journey you had, like, what is your, in a career with so many highlights in it? What is your, like your favorite? What means the most to you of your entire journey, your creative journey? That I'm still here. That I didn't get on drugs. I didn't, you know, because I think about. about Whitney and I think about Michael and I think about Prince, I think about Gerald. And so many times as artists we have so much pressure and weight on us that just
Starting point is 01:06:39 destroys us and people don't really understand sometimes what an artist is going through. So I think that I'm still here in somewhat my right mind and that I enjoyed it. I'm able to enjoy it and sit back and and relax and just enjoy it. All right, yeah, compliments are important. I know I'm learning how to take it. When we have Bernadette Cooper on QLS, the singer from Climax, in that conversation, Team Supreme and I pointed out how Bernadette's style and persona, or was kind of a precursor to hip-hop, name-dropping designer brands, confidence, et cetera, et cetera.
Starting point is 01:07:20 It was great to share with it. This was a different way of giving flowers. It felt right. If you really look at the character that you built, I mean, it's so, it's such a precursor to what hip hop became 10 years later. Mm-hmm. Like, you are probably the first person I ever heard name drop, like Versace. Yeah, it's kind of cold. Yeah, names I've never heard of before that rappers would start just that became their birthright 10 years later.
Starting point is 01:07:53 And diva. And TV. in diva. I was fearless. You have to understand. She is fearless. And I was into clothes, and they started sending me clothes.
Starting point is 01:08:08 And I just kind of like, I just kind of spoke my mind. I wish I really allowed myself to have, you know, now you have to be a little bit more reserved because everybody's so sensitive in the things that you say, you know. I thought that's what age was for, so you don't have to do those things. You know, you know, I even think about it.
Starting point is 01:08:27 You know, I even think about my demographics, what they want to hear from me. You know, they, you know, and I don't want to continue and be a caricature of my old self, you know. I was going to say, do you get tired of having to turn it on in a snap? Like, or there are there days where you just wish, like, you never had to invent that character to. You know, I'm naturally a comedian. in. So I'm always, that comes very easy for me. The character is easy. The character is more easier than me being myself, you know, yeah, I could bring the character and I'm much more comfortable on stage than I am anywhere, you know, so I don't struggle with it at all. I don't
Starting point is 01:09:11 struggle with it. I, I'm working on now in the product that you hear me putting out is, it's kind of the evolution of Bernadette Cooper and me who has evolved into the, woman and kind of like slowing down a little bit so that I can perform my songs way until you know I get older and older my songs to be able to and I wish I could do a song an album on Janet Jackson because I think she would be good at doing that so she doesn't have to get up and do rhythmation and all of those things right that's a lot yeah they'll be dancing and all that you know now's the time to kind of slow it down and go into the new you and your your demographics will follow because they're there too.
Starting point is 01:09:53 They're there too. They're there too. They're a teenage. You know, so that's what I'm doing right now with the projects that I'm working on. Thank you for listening in, good people. And we have more main flowers on QLS dropping next week. Stay tuned. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. For more podcasts from IHeart Radio, visit the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
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