The Questlove Show - Questlove Supreme: Salli Richardson-Whitfield

Episode Date: October 25, 2023

Salli Richardson-Whitfield meets Questlove Supreme in Hollywood for an in-studio interview that covers her pivot from acting to directing to producing. Salli details her Chicago roots, recalls proving herself professionally, and discusses the new season of A Gilded Age.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Questlove Supreme is a production of IHeart Radio. Can we start the theme? Steve, you ready? Bill, you ready. Laya, you ready. Let's do it. Oh, that's out.

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Supraima, Roll Call. Quest Loves my name. Supremas the Squad. Yeah. And Sally Richardson? Yeah. Oh my God! Suprema!

Suprema Role Call. Supremma Role Call. Supremma Role Call. My name is Fonte. Yeah. And I'm in my prime. Shout out to Sally. Yeah.

In the time. Roll call. We're back. Supraima, sub, sub, subprima, rocone. Supremia, sub, sub, subprima, roll call. My name is Sugar. Yeah. And we in Cali.

Yeah. And I am so glad. Yeah. That rhymes with Sally. Supreme. Supremia. Supremia. So, sub, subprima, rocone.

That's a week. For weeks. Supraima, Roecom. I'm unpaid bill. Yeah. And hold the phone. Yeah.

Shout out to our. guest and her tailbone. The Roca, Supreme Rocawl, Supremea, Supreme, How long for which to. Supremia, Yeah.

Sally's here to teach. Yeah. If I was, damn, Yeah. This is a first. Role Call, Supremia. Supreme a Roll Call,

Supreme A Supreme Court Supreme A Role Call. My name is Sally. Yeah. They call me my first. Mustang. Yeah.

Because. Yeah. You got that thing thing? Whoa! Yeah! Don't feel bad. I've done that many. Superma,

Subima Role Team. Supremma, SU, Supremma Role Call. Supremma, Subrema, Subrema Role Call. Don't feel bad.

I've done that many times. I was hoping that was over soon. He's done that before. Sally's here to teach. I came for class. like, no, I got class like Angela and a mouth like peaches. Damn! That was what it...

That was where that was? It was like, yeah, it was like a class like Angela and a mouth like peach. Anywho. Sally beat me. Mama. Anyway. I needed rhythm and rapping. Yeah, we were in trouble. I'm sorry. I did that too. This is another

Los Angeles in-person, in studio, Quest Love Supreme. Love in person. Yeah, in person. It's my favorite type of tapings that we do. I enjoy it. It's amazing. Anything else?

I'm looking at you, Bill. Anyway, I'm just having to be here. We never get to do this. We always do this on Zoom. It's in person and weird. Now I get to be with the show. I love being in person. No, we're here.

Sally Bridges is here. I know. That's why I'm studying. You have to ask Ad Whitfield. Whitfield. I'm sorry, D'Andre. I'm going to go home and be in trouble. I'm sorry.

DeAndre. Please let me stay married. We all collectively decided to call him DeAndre right now. We've been calling him Robert forever. Donre. Donre. Don't get you're going to get me in trouble. All right.

No, we're sorry. And he would talk us through that whole situation. He will listen. No, we've been calling him Robert forever. Uh-oh. Literally real. I know he's probably haste at home. That's not as bad as Deandre.

Do people call him Robert still from the cosmic? Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm so sorry, Dandre. Dandre. We're already getting off to a shaky start. All right.

So look, I would say the order of the day for this podcast is we often talk about pivots. Pivots in terms of where we were creatively at the beginning of our career, towards where we've learned that idiom from LL Cool J taking walks to the light. You know. And so I will say that that's a major theme of this program. And of course, our guest today, I believe, embodies sort of that most. We first fell in love with her as an actress in many, a classic film. I can name like a posse, low-down dirty shame, Eureka. Shame. I have so many questions about that movie.

Antoine Fisher, right, exactly. I do want this to be the low-down-dirty tribute program. Not to mention, you know, I am legend, just countless of sitcoms and dramas and whatnot, which basically leads to her calling as an executive producer and a director sitting in that director's chair. It's a mighty a task that isn't for the faint-hearted. And I will say that between her directing on Queen Sugar, one of my favorite programs, by the way. Thank you. Thank you.

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and we're going to talk pivots, the art of storytelling and just her journey creatively and I would like to welcome to Questlove Supreme without stuttering

Sally Richardson Wittfield Whitfield. You looked at me I gave you that look. I know. Yeah. Like I already felt the pressure.

Get it right. Get it right. Yes. No. Please welcome to Sally Richardson, Whitfield, to Questlet. Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited about being here. Well, for starters, for those that don't know you, where are you from?

Where were you born? I'm from Chicago. What part of Chicago? Southside of Chicago. Is everyone really from the South Side? Between Detroit and Chicago. If you black, you're black. mostly from the south side of Chicago.

And how come you know black person claims the north? Yeah. Maybe the west you're from the west or the south side. So I'm assuming that the south is the realest, end quote. Because it is Chicago, as much as I love it, can be a segregated area. And we didn't

grow up with, you know, we didn't grow up with a lot of money. And you know, so you're on the south side of Chicago or the west side or the projects. So for you, what was your formative years like creatively speaking, what was your family situation growing up? Sort of, you know, parents divorced. I was very lucky that I was able to go, instead of my father

paying like actual like child support directly, he paid for me to go to private school. So I went to lab school, which is part of the University of Chicago. So it was sort of this mixture of going to, going to this fabulous school and then kind of going back to, you know, my neighborhood and being able to live in both of those worlds, which has worked very well for me now in life. I can kind of flow anywhere I need to go. And then my mother, both of my parents, my father were at University of Chicago.

My mother at the time she used to work. I think my mom was working at the defender at some point. She, which is a black newspaper in Chicago. She worked at a recording studio for many years, which is where... Which one? I don't remember the name of it. But that's growing up, I was around a lot of music.

So I was singing, and that's kind of where I met my first manager. And I think what sort of sparked me wanting to be in the arts because I was really not around it at all. And then at some point at the lab school, they shot endless love there. And I... Borekshields? Yes. And that is where I really got the bug, because I was always a basketball player in school.

So if theater, I didn't do a lot of because it always came in during basketball. season. So, but they came there and they did that movie with Brooks Shields and I saw all of that. And I was like, oh, I don't know. This seems interesting, which is kind of started my path. Okay. Did you have siblings or? I have three brothers who are about 15 years younger than me. So most of my life I was an only child. So you were older than them? Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting for them to have an older sister that was 15 years old. Yeah, I was ready for you to be the youngest sister that they beat up everybody. But I'm like, but you were there.

I'm going to get my sister to beat you. But, you know, I was the, I don't know. I don't know if that mixture of only child, but then having really young ones that, me and my mom, you know, she was working a lot. So me and my brother. Yeah. That's my, that's my baby there. Oh, okay. I see that.

Default. Yeah. Well, quasi parents. Yeah. That's, mom. I get that now. All right. So here's the thing.

Like, a lot of us that are not in the Midwest, especially. especially now in this political climate, you know, hashtag, what about Chicago? What about Chicago? What is your view or description of your formative years in Chicago? Because oftentimes, I feel like, again, especially now, all you do is hear about the bad side of Chicago, whatever. Like, is there a rosy memory of Chicago or is it like, I have to get out of Chicago? So I spent a lot of time in High Park. So although I'm like this mixed girl, which can not work for you well at times, it was a very mixed area.

There was a lot of white and black couples. So it was okay for me. Hung out at the point. Beautiful. Then later on we moved to 61st Street, which we're now moving more and more south. Now we're on 95th Street off of Stony Island. It's a little... Real?

It ain't mixed no more. Right. A little real? So again, but I never... I don't know. My mother kept me in a bunch of stuff. I'm going to school. I didn't really encounter too much.

When I go back and see some of the places I walked around in, I go, I can't believe I was walking down that street to the grocery store. You know, I always say around 75th and St. Lawrence, people from Chicago know what I'm saying. And that's where you just churches and bars, church bar, church bar, everything's behind glass in the grocery store. That's when I look back and go, God, I just walked over there to the grocery store. Now I don't think I would know how to flow through that area anymore, the same way. And it's much worse now. Okay.

So, well, there's my next question. Like, has your area been gentrified or is it still? No, no. It's probably worse over there now. Now, you mentioned manager. I don't know if you were talking about manager then or manager now, but when you spoke to manager, are you, you mean in terms of acting or like, does you have aspirations to sing at one point? I did.

So when I first started, because of the studio, I played piano. I used to study opera. So I thought when I first went to L.A. was sort of acting and singing. I thought I would do both. There are a lot of demo reels somewhere of me singing. And I think I shot a, not I think, I did, I shot a video. Okay. Wait, where did you come to L.A.?

I don't know. I was 25. Okay. I don't know. I graduated 85, whatever. Get those real numbers. Look, I don't care. I'm old.

And, yeah, I thought I was going to be a singer. I kind of bow. You arrived in L.A. in 85, 86? Yeah. During pebbles all that time. Oh, wow. I was like, I was like, I could have done it. You could do that.

Free hip hop, too. Free hip hop. Now you, all right, you fell in the hole now. It was a perfect time because I didn't really have to dance well. Neither did pebbles. Not pebbles didn't. I was like, this is good. I can sing.

I have no rhythm. I can't dance. And this video, I'm really, I haven't looked at in a long time because I have like the tape of it. You know, it's in a real film. I need to digitize that. I'm a little afraid to see that one. Nice. Yeah.

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Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What is the spark that prompts your move to Los Angeles as in like, okay, in order for me to pursue my dream? And what is your dream that makes you go to Los Angeles? You know, at that time, a lot of things were being shot in Chicago. A lot of movies, you know, but you, so I could get little guest spots. So I did, remember I did Prelude to a Kiss.

I played one of Meg Ryan's bridesmaids, you know, so you're getting small things like that. Rocky Carroll, that's where I met Rocky Carroll. Okay. Because he was in that movie. And so you see that you can get small things, but you can't. That's it. And then I did a screen test for what is that Bill Duke movie he directed with Robin Gibbons. Harlem, Harrison Hall.

Raised Hall. So I screened test for that. What a Robin Givens Road. Yes. Okay. So I was there. It was me, Robin, and this other actress. And I just knew, you know, like I did it in the makeup art.

This is when don't listen to know. But this is when I learned never get too excited. more than likely you didn't get it or it's not going to be big. And I just knew I did it and I was cute and I thought I had my little southern accent. I was ready. And I did not get it.

Well, that's when you find out. Robin Givens is sort of fame. She's very popular. Did you know at the time when you are auditioning? And this is the part I really want to know like the audition process. Are you in a room collectively

with everyone or is it just like? No, no. They did a real script. They don't do this very often now. I did the same thing for Nutty Professor, which was a real screen test. They put you through hair and makeup. I had on a dress. That red dress?

Yes. In the movies. It's like it's with Boris Whitaker. Like it's a real screen test. They are on a kind of set. Like it's a thing. That's somewhere too. I would love to, you know how you look?

I'm like, where is that stuff? Now I'll find out why I didn't get it. You weren't good. So anyway, I'm doing small things like that and just something went, you got to make a decision. You got to go to New York or L.A. And I don't know. I mean, I think it was just the accumulation of all those little things. And so I was waiting tables to, I saved up my money for a year, waiting tables, bought this $600 car.

Wow. But I am a planner. So I flew to L.A. first, got an agent. One of my agents in Chicago helped me set up some meetings. Somehow or not, I've always been this person. Things kind of fall in line for me. So at the time, I met with William Morris and another one. I have no idea how I got in this meeting.

I really had no tape. And they're like, do you have tape? I'm like, I do not. But. So you had to have, even back then, you had to have a real. A real? Yeah, they were asking. They want to see something.

And I was like, oh, I had done this movie, how you like. me now. Wait, wait, wait. That was my first, I think that's my first film. No, I've seen this movie, I've seen me. But now I've got to remind my show. Yeah, me too. That's why I was like, wait.

Okay, I look crazy because. Yeah, right. Okay. Hallie Barry had just, like, hit it. And so the guy who was producing it was a white guy who was producing it for this black director. I've seen this movie. He decided because my hair is so, right now my hair is curly, but

My hair is very straight. So he decided that I didn't look black enough. And he wanted me to wear a short wig with more what he considered black hair. Right. And so I'm wearing this wig so it looks more Hallie Berry short cut to look more black. It's really bad. Well, that's a moment. I got to try that.

But you know, you're like, I'm going to do this movie. I'm going to wear this wig. Right. But, yeah. And some days the wig look good. and some days it did not. It wasn't nowadays where you can get good wigs. You know, you just...

I got to find this film. I've seen it. I've seen this movie. I have two. It's with Darnell William. Oh yeah, I found the poster. Darnell Williams. Yeah.

You are a baby. I am like 22 or something. Wow. So I think that was... But I have another one. I don't know the name of it. It's with Marla Gibbs and St. Dony Jackson.

Whoa. Wow. Not 227? No. And we shot it in Chicago. Those are my two films that I shot before I move. Is that up against the wall? Up against the wall.

I saw it on your AVVB. Yes. This is why we need to be. Marla Gibbs. Listen. You. Marla Gibbs. We need to be.

Yeah. So I'm not really showing. I had just did how you like me now. Now, I didn't have anything to show them. I said, but I just did this film in Chicago. So I was just, I'm a good talker in a room. So I was like, but I'm great. I'm a work.

I'm just at a table full of old men. And I'm selling. I'm selling. And I, at this agency called Triad at the time, which was a big agency then. And I went with triad. And so I went back home and packed my car up. I also had found a place to live out there, rent it from this woman in her house. And then I drove up to L.A.

And I saved up enough money and had a little help from my then manager, who used to run my mother's studio who was helping me. And I didn't have to work for a year. And then within that year, before my money was just about to run out, I got posse. Wow. Oh, I want to hear all about that. Wait, the way she told that story, it was like a cliffhanger. That is a cliffhanger. You didn't eat yet.

You didn't eat yet. Well, I don't want to eat here everything. I know how to hit the bullet points. No, no, dude. We are literally rabbit hole city. But I mean, I had gotten, you know, a few. I think I did a pilot. How many pilots have you done?

A number of them. Didn't I see the Rock is on your IMDP too? Do you do an episode of The Rock? You said Rocky Carroll, so I was wondering if that translated to the Rock. It's been a long, yes. I don't know. When you can't remember, it means it. Yes, you've done.

You did. Yeah. Yes, you have. Yeah. Yes, you have. Okay. Oh, I did. Yes, you have.

I forgot I did a Jamie Fox show. Yeah, you did. Yes. I forgot that. Okay, so this is why I'm asking you this. So there's a friend of mine who was the star of her own successful series. And she told me that even though they were hit out the box, she wanted to wait until season three to buy the house.

You know, when you're like, hey, I'm on a hit show. I've been nominated for a few Emmys. I'm established. Let me buy that house. And then out of nowhere, and I don't know why, but suddenly the show got canceled. And it wasn't due to low ratings. Like, something happened, a freak accident, maybe like one of the executives and producers died or something. Not their fault.

Just whatever. And now she's stuck with this house. And the whole point was she told me it took her like maybe eight years to finally get this all. of her hands. Like, she's been stuck with this house. So I always wanted to know on the acting side of things, when you're in this city, when you get a guest role on a rock or, you know, office person number 12 and living single or whatever.

Sustainability-wise, how safe do you feel, like, if the imagined grim reapers behind you is a guest spot on a show. show a jump for you for at least four months of safety to breathe before the Grim Reaper catches up and then you have to get your next series like how... Four months? No, no. That's why I be born strike. Because you can't make... No. Luckily, I've always lived as if whatever this check is, I may not work for months. I may not work for a year. So... So even when you have something good, it's never a...

I haven't felt comfortable and secure in this business, and I still have an actor's mindset that at any point some shit might change. Until I started directing and really started hitting my stride, have I, like, sat back and relaxed for a second. And my husband will tell you, there have been many of flights where he's like, I'm like, it's only a four-hour flight. We can fly, coach. I'm cheap. And that's how I live. I live as if I may not work for another year. But does that also prevent you from dreaming?

And I know it can sound real naive saying this. But it really wasn't until like I allowed myself to like it. It's almost like you have to tell your body like, okay, this is what I want and this is my dream. I'm pursuing it hook or crook or whatever. Because I used to be the careful smurf like, oh, man, like, we'll never go on in da-da-da-da-da-da. So let me save up and that sort of thing. So how do you ride the line between safety and this is the dream that I want? But I did do that because by really pivoting to directing, I had to take a chance.

I was working a lot as an actress, and that was working well for me. And when you first start directing, it's a good living, but if I'm on a hit show when I started directing, I could still make more money acting as long as I was on a series because I have a, you know, my rate for an episode is going to be pretty good compared to the director, which takes a little longer to do an episode. Oh, damn. So that shows the wrong profession again? Every time. No. But so I had to really make a decision. I was looking at the long game.

I knew that in directing, you know, there's not a lot of, and I'm just, I don't care, I'm 55 now, I'll be 56 this year. There are not, there are not a lot of women my age, especially people of color, who are big, huge movie stars, or, you know, the lead of a TV series. As you get older, things are going to change, so you have to make a decision where you you're going. And so looking at directing, I knew it was going to take me somewhere and I just had faith that, besides that I feel like it's my calling, I knew that this was going to be my longevity and this is where my wealth was going to happen. When did you, when did you realize that directing

was your calling? Honestly, the first time I did it. Really? What was the first, your first your first four were into? Eureka. Okay. I did Ava DuVernay's first. film I will follow. Okay. She had done some doc. She had, I think she had directed a documentary or two before that. But this was her first narrative film. And during that process, I always say I must have been a little, one of those actresses

who was given too much of their opinion. Because at some point, she said to me during that process, she said, I think you're a director and you don't know it. How did you feel when you were told that? There's something about when it was, you know how someone just says something to you and you kind of see your life flash and I go. Like a eureka moment? I had a eureka moment.

Thank you. It was like God put something in her to give to me and it changed my life. And I was on a break from Eureka at that time. It was like, you know, our hiatus. And Ava said that to me. And I went, huh, she's doing it. She was a publicist. She can do this.

And I called this director. I knew Eric Lonneville, who's done black director, used to be an actor on, I think, St. Elsewhere with Denzel. He came up with him. And he started directing that show. Anyway, he had directed me on Eureka. And I called him. I said, hey, I want to ask them about directing.

I think I want to do this. Can I shadow you? He said, absolutely. So went in, shadowed him on a few, like two shows during my break and got, he gave me some tapes. I got some books. I have many years of, you know, learning on the set, which you find out how much you really know when you do it. And I asked my producers, and they trusted me and gave me an episode. And when I did, I still remember when they called me and said, yes, where I was standing.

And that moment of being excited and then literally the next moment going, holy shit. Now it starts. Now it's real. Now I have to really do it. And after doing that first episode, I went, oh, I understand this. I get this. This is great.

And directing for you was something you learned strictly just from shadow and other director. It's not something like you went to school for. Well, I say I went to school because it was like 25 years of acting. So what I realized, so then I did the Sony film program at the studio. And then I remember during that, I'm in this program and I was feeling a little intimidated because they had all these students who had gone to AFI and NYU and blah, blah, blah. They had done their little films and stuff.

But they've all been in school. And the more they talked, the more panels, I mean, the more like little group classes and speakers would come, all of a sudden I became part of the speakers because I knew so much from being on the set. You was outside. Right. So the mixture of doing the work I needed to by really shadowing and paying attention. And when I say shadow, because I tell people who come to shadow means, shadowing means you're there through every bit of pre-production, every meeting, every, when I go to set, If I get to work an hour before, you should be there an hour. Is it right alone?

Yeah, you're there every minute. When we edited it, I was there every minute. And so you really, that's a different than just sitting on a set. I learned a lot. Shadow her. You can chattel me. I learned a lot doing that. But honestly, you don't know if you're going to be good at it until you do it.

So now that you're knee-deep in it, have you accepted that, this is your actual calling because for me though there's still it's almost you know like in heat where you got to walk away in 30 seconds or else and there is that moment sorry to spoiler for those that have not seen the movie heat

no there's a moment at the very end where De Niro can just he executed he got the guy he can walk off with the girl this is one little itching he has to go back and see and of course, you know, I won't spoil it, what happens. But...

He dies. It's on TV. It's fine. So my whole point is there is a part of me as a musician that still feels like I didn't scratch that itch yet. Yeah. You know, like I've done everything in the music world except arrived to this platform on my own without. aiding someone getting there or that sort of thing. And even though I'm having a hell of a life and a hell of a journey,

everywhere else, there's part of me that's still like, oh man, none of this, like there's an asterisk there. Like, none of this counts until I can do for music what I'm able to do for these other ventures. So for you and acting in terms of like that, have you resolved that? And just like, hey, the universe always wanted me to tell stories behind the camera. No, have I, so when I started directing so much, in the beginning, I thought that I would be doing both. I would, oh, I'll direct this part of the year, and then I'll be on a series and do this part of the year.

And then all of a sudden, I was getting books so much that it made sense for me to just keep on directing. So I always thought I would be acting. I didn't know I was quitting at the time. And then you look back and it's three years later. And, you know, because I was still dabbling and doing small little things or more than three. I mean, it's been many years now that I haven't really acted. You know, every once in a while I've done a show where it was directed. And they're like, oh, why don't you just do this role?

I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll do it. That'll be fun. So I would never say never. I would love to do something that would be truly challenging for me. I think at the end of my acting career, I was doing a lot of the same kind of role. I was like the powerful black woman in the office, attorney, head of the company, DEA, you know, I was. We don't get to know you, but you're just. The same, yeah, you know, I'm telling everybody what to do and then I go back in my office.

That was becoming kind of boring and not very challenging. And I do think that I never was given the opportunity to really show how good I can be and to really, really do amazing work. And I don't think I ever had part of the reason I direct the way I do is that I really push people because I felt like I've never had that one director who would not accept anything but everything. they knew they had in me. And so when I work with actors, if I know you have more, if I know if I'm watching your performance

and I know what kind of actor you are too, say you've done three takes and it's a good performance. Right. But I notice it's the same. Then I know you rehearse that at home. And now, and I like it, I'm watching it.

Other people are impressed. But there's something in my gut or in my heart in my body that I know when it's real. And I hope to push you to give me that moment where I really feel it. And then I go, now we have it. And I've never had that person do that for me. A win is a win.

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It's Will Ferrell. Woo. Woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with him one day. And I was like, and dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent.

He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there.

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they've kind of been, I won't say shots, fired, but there have been words from the Hughes Brothers in terms of their experience with Denzel on it's a book of... Eli? Oh, Bill of Eli. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

Of which, I, I guess, you know, one of them was joking about, like, and I've heard this before from other actors where, like, Denzel would be like, I'm only going to give you two performances, so you better capture it now. Like, I don't have it. And established actors, I know, like, I didn't know that that was an option. Like, you better capture me now. And I've heard De Niro's stories and all this stuff from established actors.

How do you know how far to push your actors? especially if you're in a situation where, like, time is of the essence. You know, there's always, I'm sure there's a micromanaging producer in the background, like, okay, we're losing light or, you know, we don't have enough for overtime or whatever. How do you know when to press a button, when to make someone do a fourth take? Yeah. Like, how do you know that? I think it's, everyone's different, and you have to,

take cues from the people you're working with. Sometimes I will, especially with the bigger actors, I have conversations with everyone before I shoot, you know? Because I, how far can I push you? How far are you comfortable with? I apologize, guys.

This is really going to just be the Sally Amir a tutorial. The more she's talking, the more I'm like, oh, God, I didn't think about none of this. I got to confront people and talk ahead of talk. Yeah. And I talked to a lot of my asses of, actor friends and they'll tell me like if A-list person's

being an asshole on the set and that sort of thing. But there's some people I know that I, there are some actors I can I can on the side of the camera say things that I know that will give you an emotional response. I can come whisper in your ear

and tell you you're a piece of shit and that's why you ain't never. I'll talk crazy in your but I know that we have, we've had a conversation. Why don't just get excited? I got excited too because I can see you doing that to actors on the gilded age

like, who was? I got it. I got excited. The oxygen just went out of the room we all like. That's my shit. I am a piece of shit. I'm like, what did you?

I'm my mind, I'm like, what are you whispering in Christine Baranski's ear to make him go? You're an evil bitch. I am not saying that. But there's certain people I can go, I can look at you and go,

I don't believe you right now. So. But should you have to go through Jedi? Yes, you have to go through Jedi. I have to figure out... I have to figure out how to get the best out of you without you shutting down. Now, there are some big actors who are a little more persnickety.

But I also don't have to put... They're good people. They know what they're doing. So I have to figure out what little things I can say to you to get what I want. And sometimes it can be uncomfortable for me, but that... That's by earning their respect and not being afraid to give them the note, even though you know they're going to give you an attitude about it. So as a woman, as we, you know, and I've heard this many of times in any professional setting, like women often have to fight for to stand their ground as leader and to get our rest, and sort of us not look condescending and all those things. So how deep is the mental preparation that you have to do

when you know that you're dealing with an actor or actress, whatever, that sort of might have a closed, that won't submit to you? I don't, there's something about my personality that does not give you the feeling that you should not listen to what I'm asking you to do. And first of all, I'm very prepped and prepared, which is part of them starting to respect you. And again, there's not much you can do to me

that will, at least outwardly, will break me down. So... Have people attempted? I've had some early on, some volatile people. But that's where Chicago comes into. And in my mind, because people, I've had producers say to me,

okay, other women have cried here and this and I'm like, ain't nobody going to see me cry. Like, that's just not, like, it's not happening. I don't cry in life, really. It's not a good thing. My husband says, I didn't cry.

That's scary, too. It's a whole other discussion. When is her birthday, Sally? When did you say you about to her? Don't say you're just, No, I'm a satch. I'm a 20- Oh, okay.

I'm just not a... We're introverted. We don't say anything. But, you know, I just, I come from that, that, you know, I come from that black mother where there is, like, just suck it up and move on. So there's times I feel it. And, of course, I've cried in my life. Yeah, I was going to say, I'm spending thousands in therapy to unlearn that shit.

I need to learn how to cry more. My husband was, I remember when he goes, if you walk the, down this aisle and I don't see you cry. And the whole time going down the aisle, I was like, fuck, I didn't figure out of to cry when I get out there. I was like, he's going to be real upset. I didn't cry when I had, I gave birth to two children with no drugs. It wasn't painful?

Yeah, but I. No tears. With no drugs. Natural child. I just not a crier. Wow. So let me tell you. You really are from Chicago.

That's what I've seen that. I've had, you know, different things in my life. I'm not ready to, I'm not doing no tell all. I don't need to be on one of these. But I've had enough trauma that you being a disgruntled actor or even cursing in my face and like seeming physically intimidating in front of me, in my mind, I'm like, I wish this. I wish you do it. Now, I wouldn't say that, but that's the look.

I'm like, what you got? So that's what I missed with what people think I look like. And how, but I also have this mom voice that will come. What I was, what I'm telling you that I need you to do is go from there to there. And, but then I'm nice to you too. Like, you have to pull everything out. I got to be your mother. I got to be your girlfriend sometimes.

I got to be your sister. I got to be your boss. I got to, there's a whole, my job and what I'm very good at is figuring out. what you need, what does this actor need for me to get the best performance? And at the end of the day, most of them, I think, have left feeling like I know what I'm doing. And they trusted me. And, you know, and then some of them I want to be friends with them. Some I hope I never see you again.

But they would never know it. But Amir, don't you feel that way about the band? Like, you're in a certain... For me? Yeah. No, she's saying this. She's saying this now, and I've learned, so I've learned already that when a person worries, you're basically politely praying that something bad does happen to you.

I hope I don't get attacked in this subway. I hope I don't get ran over by a car. I hope my wife don't catch me, you know, like, weird. That was a weird one to end with. We'll edit that one now. No, but for the last two years, sort of riding the fence of, why me and why now?

And what's the catch here? And then she's saying this, and I'm realizing, ah, fucking universe. I get this now. The universe knows I hate. Confrontation. I don't like confrontation either.

I despise confrontation. But director's all about confrontation. I have Richard Nichols for that I mean, tell Tariga I don't like that verse. Go ahead. Fair. But, you know, now I'm realizing, oh, damn, this is. God forcing you to do it.

It's one thing, when you're doing documentaries, like for me, I will say that what I'm working on now is it's not Summer of Soul. You know what I mean? In terms of, like, people talk about the Joyous Time, whatever. Like, because I'm talking about trauma and shit. So getting. answers out of my subjects is like, like, I feel like I should be a qualified paralegal.

Like, the lawyer levels that I'm going to get the answer that I need you to give and coax it out of you. And it's just like, ah, damn, what if this is the universe forcing me in this, like, to be a people person? Something that you're running from. I hate people. No, I don't know. He said it. Who he said it. But now that you're saying this, and I'm realizing.

damn, this is what the next six years of my life is about to be. Like, I'm going to have to talk to people. You'll learn so much about, I don't know, I say grace. I hate you right now. I'm like, she's behind you like, listen to her. But you learn so much about communication with people. I mean, uh-oh, he don't do, he needs help with it. I'm getting better.

I'm getting better. Because I have to deal with so many different people. But really in the position, listen, I can't argue. I'm not going to argue with any actors. I'm not going to argue with your stars, not really argue, because you could walk off the set. Now I can't shoot. Because my job is also to let's get this day going.

So sometimes I'm like, in my mind, you may be talking crazy to me. do I engage? No, I can't engage because that's an argument. Is that what 80s are for? Because whenever I'm on a set, I'm talking about like when I was doing videos or whatever, the annoying person, the guy that yells and all that stuff,

like I always know is that the directors just sits in front of the, watch the Daily's screen and all that stuff and really doesn't say much. Like comes like things? The AD doesn't talk to the actors for me. No. You don't allow that for you. or in general? On the kind of shows I'm doing?

Absolutely not. Okay. He can call and tell you it's time to, you know, it's time to shoot or something, but any, if to, no, it's all me. I always thought the job of the age to sort of be the bad cop so that you don't have to.

That would be my bad cop as far as production. Let, let them know this information. This is why we're not shooting right now. this is why it's going to take longer. I'm sorry we brought you in earlier, but this happened, that kind of thing. But any problems on a set, when we're talking about the work,

what I need you to do, what this character's going to do, why it's not working, blah, blah, blah. That's all me. So, yeah. So when you're doing a series and you aren't the showrunner of said series, how do you navigate your job as a director?

Because, okay, for instance, There was an episode of Bore Walk Empire that I watch that Marty Scorsese directed. Okay. And I would have had no clue that he did it because I didn't see none of the film of Schumacher, like none of his trademark. Yeah. Scorseseisms or whatever. And I realized that, oh, well, he sort of has to fit into the shell of what the show is. How do you know, when you get called for his show, how much leverage or leeway are you allowed to, or are you, are you. Or are you even one of those directors that's thinking of, like, what your trademark is? Like, you know, shoot on a side angle.

Yeah. So you find a way, and again, that's why I kind of had a goal of the platform. Like, really my end goal was to get to a platform like HBO, where you have more freedom to be who you are as a director. So when you're going on some of these earlier shows, absolutely there is a style. you have to fit into it. But you find a way to infuse some of you into their show. Otherwise, they could hire anyone. So why do they bring you back?

So maybe I have a few shots that may be pushing the envelope a little bit, but it's definitely what I like to do. I always say I like the camera moving a lot and I love doing long runners. So most of the time you'll find that in my episode Somewhere in there might be a long winner Yeah, I was going to ask what was some of your, I guess your techniques And winning time that you use That's a good example

That's a show which it has to look like vintage, you know Yeah And you came in second season too, so Well, I started, I did the first season I did the last two episodes of the first season So how much micromanaging does the screenwriter do in terms of like, so what have you decided, I don't want to use this grain of, like, are you allowed to make a radical decision?

No, no, no, no. That is established what the look is going to be. But I find that particular show, we're using so many different formats that I really have a lot of freedom. So I definitely, there's a lot of that style in me. I mean, there's a lot of, I say in the action I used to. You'll see a lot of pushing and pulling shots that are mine. Again, there'll be a lot of shots where it's a long oneer,

where there's a lot of handoffs. I'll ask you what that means in layman's turn. That means, think about classic Goodfellas shot. Yeah, yeah. I love. So one, a long take, just one unbroken take. Yes. At the table, the Goodfellas.

No, no, when you're walking through the whole restaurant, when you first come in. Two times. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Just a long take with no one. That, I love blocking. And so blocking a shot like that with that, that takes a lot of prep.

And that would just, everything about that shot is perfect. I love that shot. There's a shot in this movie called Rush that does about drugs. Oh, yeah, with Jason Lee. Yes. There's a big long shot like that too. Love it, love it. So you'd see a lot of that in my work.

You'll see a lot of energy pushing and pulling. You'll see lower angles. You'll see that stuff that comes in really intimately. So winning time was perfect for that. I could pretty much do whatever I wanted to there. Even though the format of how we shot it was set in stone, I could still do most of me in there too, which is, I think, part of the reason they brought me back to produce the next season

and then to direct half of it because they like what I did on the last two episodes. And I feel like the show, you know, kind of found its real sweet spot. You know, it takes a show a second. You know, Adam set up an amazing pilot. But then it takes a second for things to really, you know, get mixed and work, you know, bake. And by the second season, you know, we could really get in there and fine-tunes and things. Do you – a question I had to that point. So a lot of times with TV, we're talking to directors and talking just a lot of

actors, a lot of times they'll tell you most television shows don't really hit their stride until probably like season three or, you know, but now shows don't even get that much of a chance. How do you as a director, like how do you adapt to that, this kind of landscape where shit is just... I mean, there's nothing you can do. It just hope that, I don't know, it's so hard. I think with, you know, winning time, it's also a very, very expensive show to make. So it's hard to just let it hit its stride Although I felt like this second season

We were really falling into a nice spot But you know The things have changed out here And you know in the business Who knows I don't know the decision making I know I did what I was supposed to do And people are loving it And you know I just kind of blow

Where the wind takes me A witness is a woman is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week,

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He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat just. hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck.

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Is Nielsen rating still a thing? For network TV. It's different on those platforms. Well, I know for streaming or whatever, they don't share the numbers that you don't know. So, I mean, to sort of prematurely yank it

before it gets its chance to really unfurl and reveal itself. Like, I think there's so many factors. There's so many factors. There's so, like, Is it getting awards?

Is it getting nominated? Maybe even if it wasn't getting... But even Lovecraft Country, like, that got so many... That left for another reason, right? Like, I didn't even have anything to do with nobody watching. That was creative. Yeah, I think there were some things going on. Like, legit.

No, no bullshit. It's on TV now. There's so many... There's so... I heard Casey Blois, who's, you know, they had to HBO. I heard him on a podcast talking, and there's just so many factors. It can be a show that... is like artistically fantastic that doesn't cost them a lot and may not be getting,

but is getting all the great reviews, may not be getting all the numbers, but maybe that show can come back because it's getting some of the artistic things they want and doesn't cost that much to make, so it works. You know, so there's all these different factors he was talking about on this podcast. So again. So do you attribute the success of the Gilded Age? to what you just said about awards and whatnot, because now there are...

I mean, we got things for behind the scenes, but actors weren't getting it, the show, you know. But we don't even know. I mean, this is the second season of Gilded. We had our second season of winning time. I think Gilded is going to be, you know, and we don't know about the season three of Gilded until it's out, and we see what the numbers are.

I think that the second season of Gilded is fantastic and fun, you know? So who knows? But I also thought winning time was fat. You know, I don't know. Right, right. So, okay, when you got the Gilded Project, what was your...

Yeah, please. I was like, how did I get this show? Please, tell us. But, yeah, like, what was your knowledge of life in the 1800s? The same knowledge that anybody else has, right? Vast. If you think about it. Like, had you heard of the Gilded Age?

Even, listen, white, black, blue, man, woman. Nobody was living in the 18-year. hundreds. Most people are not historians. But there's always some historian like, well, actually, they, you know, that particular... But I have you there to fulfill, you know, to tell me what that stuff is. Okay. I was a lover of period pieces. I've always loved them. I had watched all of Downton Abbey. If you say on the list, I would love, like, dangerous liaisons.

I could watch that over and over, you know. Anyway, so when that opportunity came up to to meet with them, I was ready. And I had done enough, I hadn't done a show like that. And they were looking for a black woman in particular, I think, to fill that role because they knew they were going to have this black family in it. And they also knew they needed a woman's point of view because of what the show was. And so I met and I just told them about my love of the show. I'm very good with detail.

I'm a good student of things. So somehow or another, I convinced them like I did when I moved to L.A. and convince, well, you might, y'all should sign me. I ain't got no tape, but I can do it. I was, I'm good, again, I'm good an interview. I convince them I can do this. And they said yes. And, and then that, because of COVID, because initially I was only supposed to do two

episodes. And then COVID happened. And that's part of the thing that launched it into me then producing and doing more of the episodes and grew into this deal at HBO. It was like this whole weird thing that I don't even know how it happened. Overall deal? You mean you're over? I mean, the Sally Richardson Whitfield HBO overall deal, which I don't, most people don't even understand what that means, but congratulations. This means that you can develop your own projects there. Yeah, and they just give me a certain amount of money to, and I'm exclusive to them and everything. Oh, man.

What a fan. What a fan. You're running to for a time. You know, black dynamite is one of my favorite movies. Like, all the time. Dude, like, Gloria. Word to mother. You body that shit.

Word to mother. Okay, so I first became aware of you of Posse. Could you talk about the process that led to Mario hiring you? So, I think. I think I actually got the audition, I mean, through my agent, but I had met Blair Underwood. Somehow in L.A., you know, I'd been there a little about that year, right? Met him at a party. And he told Mario, I think he told Mario about me and said I'd be perfect for this film.

She's black and American Indian, right? So I go in an audition with everybody else. and I got down to the last few, but then they hired someone else. I'll tell you who that was in a second. Only because it's okay, I could tell you. Wait a minute. Is this a thing where, okay. They hired someone else and they were shooting.

And they say no, no, no, no, and then it comes down to you. They were shooting and they were like, I got a call. Okay, so I don't get it. Okay. I'm sad because I was like, who else can be? But at that time, my hair legit was down here dead straight. I'm like, my mama has always told me we got charity in her. I'm like, I am American Indian.

I got a picture of my great-grandmother. And she is two braids and I'm pretty sure my mama ain't lying. Anyway, so I don't get it. And then one day I get a call on a Saturday and they're like, they have fired the actress. Can you be here later on tonight? You're watching Monday. And that person is.

And that person is Stacy Day. Of course. Wow. I got to remember. Wow. And I think she got there and whatever. I don't know. I heard there was some, you know, it wasn't going well.

Yeah, that wouldn't work. Difficult. Anyway, I don't know. I wasn't there. But all I know is I got a call Saturday and Monday I was shooting. How did you feel when you got that phone? How many more people watched that movie? I still remember where I was.

I was at some guy's house. I was dating. Memorable guy. You don't know. And I don't even know if I had time to think. You know, I was just like, oh, I got. It was just... Saturday and you start on Monday.

Well, I don't know if I started. No, I started that week. I was there. Whatever hair they had got for her, they tracked face, took that in my head and put that outfit on me. I was... How much preparation did you have to do?

I don't know. I just started, I don't, you know, it's been a while, but it's not like, add that many deep lines. I already wrote a... I knew how to ride and stuff. Oh, okay. Getting ready for another movie audition I had learned, Glenn Turman as a ranch.

So I had met some people who took me to Glenn Turman's ranch and Glenn taught me how to like really ride. So I was ready. I was like, I got there. I had a young brain. I could memorize anything. Now I'd be like, oh, I need two weeks to memorize this. And I was there and I was shooting and I'm there with Tone Loak and Big Daddy Kane and

Melvin Van Peebles. Yes, and Melvin and Mario. and Pam Greer. And, I mean, we had all sorts of people there. It was a dream. It's like, it's a blur in my mind. We used to play during our breaks. Like on the weekend, we would play basketball.

I remember Tiny. So you were still good in basketball then. I could still, because when I first was out here, I would do, that's when they used to do celebrity basketball tournaments. So I used to play in all of those games. I was still pretty decent then Point guard I was a point guard

I was a point guard I'm not gonna be this tall How do you know I was right Listen I'm the only person That knows sports In this entire table She's pointing out of the sports

I played center on my boys And girls club basketball team XU I play the sports Here we go No you have No you have No you got it real I don't know nothing about sports

Yeah so Yeah it was We had the best time On that movie I mean I wanted to ask you about low down dirty shame, which is probably my favorite role of yours. Right.

Like straight up and down. And I was thinking about what you were saying earlier about how directors, it's rare that you were pushed in some ways. I think the reason why I really liked that role is because that was the first time to I can remember kind of seeing you as a villain. And I just thought that was, I was like, yo, I want to see more Sally as like the villain, like just straight up, you know, just, you know. Well, unfortunately, you know, also I came up at a time where there wasn't that many.

There wasn't that many jobs. It was really all of us, me, Jada, Nia. Everybody's going for the same thing. And Jada, Nia, a few people kind of, they were already there. Honestly, they had started a little sooner than me. You know, people start taking off, and there's just not a lot of spots for you. But also, when I talk about not being pushed, I also have been given that many roles where there was an opportunity to push me.

to do something that different, you know. What would be an example of something now, a role now that you would? Or a role that you went after that a close but no cigar moment. Those are so many. I mean, probably every movie you've seen another black actress, the lead in. We all went out for the same thing.

Remember I said, a screen test. Me, I think Tisha Campbell was there too, and then Jada for Nuddy Professor, and they gave it to Jada. Yeah, I think it was the three of us testing. So, okay, when you talk about testing, what is the process of testing? Because I've heard like, okay, you just come in re-cold for committee. Those are like the, yes.

Or testing like a chemistry test to see if you and the character gets along and da-da-da-da-da. And when I say a screen test, that's a whole different thing. So when I said, Rage in Harlem, I read with Forrest on a set. in full hair, makeup, costume, him in costume. We're doing a scene from the movie being filmed on the cameras. That's like it looks like the movie almost. How often does that process happen now? Still or not as much?

I don't think as much. Nuddy Professor, same thing. Eddie came out in. Fat suit? Full on makeup. I'm their hair makeup. I think we were in a lab or something, and we did a scene from the movie and they filmed it.

Same bad Bob Wig or Jada got? What's funny is that, what's funny is that's what my hair looked like then. And then I saw the movie and I, it was a, yeah. Jada's wig, same bad Bob wig. So my hair was just like that. And then they did the movie. I said, they put my hair on this chick. And that's why I decided because, you know, she had really short hair.

I said, what is this? In your acting phase Like for you Are movies the The ultimate goal or the security of a series? Well, as an actress, you want the security of a You know, if you could get a scandal Listen, you know, because most of the time

Unless you are the big A-list actor, you're not making that much to do a film. You know, maybe You know, maybe. a few hundred thousand dollars which will last you for a little while you know um back to my original analogy so a a small role as the girlfriend or whatever in a movie that's just enough for maybe if you're two months three months out here a small role or what do you tell me like my role in lowdown yes probably that was my biggest paycheck at that point i can see your main

character in that one yeah So that gave me enough money to live on for a little while. And again, in my mind, I think that people need to have more of this mindset. I go, because everyone else's mind, they're like, oh, how you? Well, because people are telling you that, ooh, you're about to take off. Right. This is about to be it. In my mind, I already knew at that point, yeah, I'm not trusting it.

Do you book a project at a time or do you, are you allowed to stack? Of course, if you can. Again, at that time, there wasn't a lot of to stack. I don't know what I did. I don't know what I did after that. So are you frugal enough that during lowdown dirty shame, after that you were still in your one bedroom or did you go, I'm going to step it up and get two?

Listen, when we were doing. Pillows. When we were shooting. When we were shooting low down dirty shame, and I had done posse and some other small things, I still had that $600 car. Wow. That's what I thought. That I drove to L.A.N. And Jada and Keenan, they were like, listen, you have got to get a new car. And I did remember, I remember pulling up on the set and they all, you know, Jada had been on some series and they got nice cars.

I would meet people at parties and at restaurants and I would not valet because That's what I was going to ask And I think that at some point, like I couldn't put my window down It was, you know, but it looked good. You know, again, I was like, so I finally like leased a truck. Yeah, you did. At least a, well, you know everybody has an SUV. Yes, I didn't know if you were how cheap you were.

I know it was going to be a rave or not. I was like, no, no, no, I leased a car. I don't know. But I was afraid, you know, I was just afraid. I was afraid of being broke. I'm in, I didn't have, I have lovely parents. I have a very supportive family. But there wasn't a bunch of money to be sending to help me.

And nor did I ever ask. So I moved to L.A. This was my choice. I have to make, I'm out here on my own. And not to say I couldn't have gone back. back to Chicago and had a place to go. Like, again, I love my family that would have done anything for me, but I never had to ask for anything.

And was there ever a moment where you're just like, I'm out of here? Like, no. No. So you just never, no matter how. Not that I wasn't at home weeping and crying and when am I going to work and just, I did weep and cry about that stuff. Yeah, in my mind I was like, she's human. But that's not in front of people.

That's by myself. You know, you have that depression. I haven't worked in three, four, five months. What's the next thing going to be? But I always worked enough to keep going. I never, and I never spent beyond my means. I never, I was always, because I just didn't, you know, when you come from not having everything you want,

you should be conservative. I think you're on both sides or you just start spending all your money. So are you the person now that like since we're going through this long-ass strike that people are now calling like Sally, how did you do it? Like Sally, help me get through it. Like you just seem maybe in that way because people aren't used to this. I've been telling everyone, listen, I don't know how, like my assistant, I kept going, hey, we don't know how long this strike is going to be right now. I'm still getting my money and everything they haven't, which means I can still pay you, but anything could happen.

So don't get comfortable. Yeah. I know everybody must be jealous. Because if they ain't paying me, you ain't getting paid. Because I don't have it like that, you know. So I've been with, I see people. I judge people all the time. During this time I've been seeing some of my friends or some of people in my

director's group going on trips and stuff. And I'm knowing that they don't work as much as I do. You know, like, you know where I'm like, I'm like, uh. Why they on that trip? I'm like, do they got something going on? I don't know. But I'm like, okay. I'm glad I'm not the only person

that things like that. Like, I'll see somebody like on their Instagram. I'm judging people all the time. Judging your money. I don't know what you got. Or us really. All the time. A win is a win.

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Well, I can do stuff on, like me and my manager can talk about stuff. You know, I have projects that I've been developing for a while that I can do stuff on my own. I'm sitting there. I have to make my pitch decks. I have a documentary that I'm working on,

which I can do. So I've been working on this like sizzle. I've been able to pitch some of my documentary stuff. So I've been able to do some things. And then I drove my husband a little crazy because probably everything in our, every drawer in our house has been reorganized. We're on to the garage.

Are your OCD? I'm not a, like right now, I was, audience, I have a back injury. I am not good. I can't not do. I'm a doer. You can't relax? I'm a 24th, maybe one day. And then after that, I'm like, I'm being real irresponsible right now.

I need to get up. I just have to do something. So I'm like, well, I ain't got nothing else to do. We're going to reorganize it. house. We're going to do this. I've been needing to get this done. The universe wanted you to be silent. And I have, I found, that's why I got COVID and then I hurt my back. Set you down, literally. But, but I've been watching stuff on the, on my side as I lay in the bed on my side. But I've learned that if you're sitting around not doing things

get done, not, they don't get done. And things move ahead because there's other people doing. This last year, and a lot of that is through having this HBO deal and kind of coming into my own enough that I go, I'm not getting this work because I'm a woman. I'm not getting this work because I'm black. I'm getting these jobs now because I really am the best person for this job. Oh, gosh, yeah. And luckily, and now they can all. also check these boxes off. You know, it's like some added little thing.

So I think somewhere in that confidence has made me go. You can relax a little bit. We had a big group trip. We all went to South Africa together, which was not a cheap trip. Coach. The black coach. She did not fly coach. She did South Africa.

I have some fancy friends, Jeff and Nicole Friday from ABFF. Jeff and Nicole liked to, I'm shouting them out. They like to travel nicely. So they force me out of my comfort zone. And my husband was very happy because, you know, he just kind of lets me be who I am and just shakes his head. But we had a fabulous trip. So I was like, okay, we're going to go take this once in a lifetime trip with my children. And my daughter and I took a trip before she went to college.

So I've been able to relax a little bit. And then I come back and then I get a moment of being. afraid, oh, we spend too much money. But, you know, you have to enjoy this stuff. I wanted to ask you about Dandre. I had a chance to meet him. This was been a couple of years back on Queen Sugar, a good buddy, my Omar, that plays Hollywood. We hung out in New York one night, and he was the coolest dude, you know what I'm saying? I don't know how he is at home, but with us, he was.

It's been 20, we've been together 26 years. Yeah. So, yeah. Question, how do y'all? Because I think it's like, y'all and like Courtney and Angela Bassett, like, y'all I was like one of the only... Teflon. Yeah, Teflon.

No pressure. No pressure. No pressure. No pressure. Now you just, now you just jinxes. Go ahead. We're not jinxing. That's like watching golf.

They're like, he's been making this butt all day. I'm like, he's about to miss it down. Okay, go ahead. How did y'all survive for so long? What, you know, is specifically, and not just in a marriage, but just, I mean, two creative people. As professionals. Yeah. Like, that's a lot.

Yeah, you've directed him. You know what? I don't know. Dandre and I, obviously we love each other very much. We have two very, I think a lot of us, we have two very happy children. And once you're, huh?

No, my son's going into high school. It just is a freshman this year. And my daughter is at Spelman. Of course she is. A lot of. So you look at your children. That's such a weird moment. That was the Clark Atlanta girl.

I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, you look at your children, and that's also a motivating factor that no matter what our issues are, we need to figure this out. We got a happy little family here. And there's a, you know, there's a mutual respect there. And I don't know, we're both very competitive and that competitive nature of, oh, no, we're going to stay together. We committed to this.

I see that. We're going to figure this out. Also, somehow, I think we both know, if you're going to stay together. you look out here. Ain't nothing out in these streets. There's nothing out here in these streets. There's nothing in these streets. No, I'm playing. I'm playing.

No, you'll find out. You're working on these streets. And, I mean, honestly, I mean, for me, like, where, come on. You get to a certain age. Who I'm going to meet now? And who's going to treat me like, my husband treats me. Oh, because I put out their family. Hey, baby.

Oh, you want to treat her, Steve? No, Steve is in rare form right now with the silence. But my husband, he really does treat me like a queen. He takes care of me. Almost every morning he knows my coffee I want. If I'm still, if I happen to sleep late, he is bringing that coffee up there for me. That's my question. Yeah.

What is your morning routine? What do you, one, what time do you automatically wake up without the clock waking you up? And what's the first thing you do in the first half hour of your day? If we're a habitual characters. Most of the time my eyes will open at 6.30 in the morning, unfortunately. I don't care. My eyes just open. Probably we have three dogs.

They probably made some noise in the room. Three. We have a Rottweiler, a golden doodle, and a crazy Frenchie. Do they like each other? Oh, God, yeah. Yes, they do. Although our Frenchie and our Rottie are both males who are not fixed and are starting. Oh, wow.

The couch. They, wow. No, they started. Well, they're, they grew up together because they're only about, they're both like three, three and a half-ish. And they've just, that loving friendship has changed. And it's mostly the Frenchie. Literally. It's like prison love now.

It's a whole other time. My Rottweiler is cool. He's like, if you don't mess with me, we're good. He gets along with other dogs, but that Frenchie is insane. Anyway. So I let the dogs out. If I happen to sleep later, I'll have my coffee. I go down, I have my coffee.

And usually I get up, I take the dogs on a hike, which is how I hurt my back, because I slip. And I take them out separately. I take the French by himself for a short walk real quick. And then I come back for the other two because they can go on a long walk with me. So that's sort of get my day going. And then, you know, nowadays it would be now I have. have maybe these three Zoom calls during, you know, Zoom meetings or something. But it's usually, and I don't eat till probably about 12.31.

I'll have a protein shake or something. Intermittent fasting? Yeah, I don't eat in the morning. And that's if I'm not working. Okay. You know, working, you know. You got to be a set at 4.30 in the morning, whatever. Okay.

What is your secret talent? Bet you're allowed to say on camera? Right, right, right. I don't know. I always say, I mean, I do a lot of things. I mean, I'm a golfer. I don't know if that's so secret. But I think.

I didn't know you were going on. Are you a part of the squad, Sal? No, I'm not. Like that whole black female squad that goes down. Well, no, I used to do a lot of the celebrity golf tournaments and stuff. I used to be actually very good. My son is an amazing golfer. He's a.

What is it about? golfing because a lot of my friends, especially my black friends who are professionals. Yeah. Like is there a memo that I haven't gotten yet? Like everyone turns 45 and suddenly like... Well, I've been playing for like at least 25 years. I had started playing because Dondre played when we met. Is it fun? Or did you start at like miniature golf and then top golf? No, no, no, no. I started playing golf. Richard

Richard Roundtree is one of the first people to help me play golf. Richard Roundtree and Richard Lawson. I've had amazing people who've helped me play golf in the beginning and then obviously my husband. I don't, if you, listen, I'm not going to be doing any more pickup games of basketball and stuff like that. I think what it is is that golf is something you can do by yourself. You can do in a group. It's highly competitive. It is.

It's highly competitive. That's part. It's a way for me to compete. I love to, I love to compete. Okay. And it's a way for me to do that. And it's, it's a hard game. It will challenge you.

Like how long do it take you to learn it? Because I feel like now I'm going to have to... No one has... I cannot see it in your golfing. Am I the only one? Sorry. Not clear. No, but the thing is, is like, okay, for instance, our friend Zara, who is, is, no, but she's,

stuck in her kind of, she's stuck in her mood. She's stuck in her mood where like she loves chain restaurants. And I'm like, yeah, exactly. Oh, no, you mentioned Chipotle,

she'll like, she'll just die on the spot. However, you know, I'm telling they're like, okay, we're ramping up our games now, and you live in Los Angeles and we're doing these high-powered meetings, you might have to learn how to acclimator or adjust yourself to eating sushi

which she's her first response I hate sushi whatever I'm like no but like a lot of you know circles we're going to be running in that's right exactly you're going to have to start adulting and I feel like for some reason a lot of the high caliber power people that I'm running

into it's an expensive sport so that's one thing too right why it's not a broke man's game it's very expensive to play right so I mean that's why Yeah. That's why it's not in a little. So it's like you're walking. From what I've heard, it's a lot of people to use it for networking.

Like because it's, I mean, it's 18 holes. So you walking, you're talking, you spoke and they've definitely been like on sets on the weekend. I'm on location. The producers are like, we're playing golf. I'm like, I brought my clubs. I play. They're like, you play. It is something.

I've met a lot of people through golf. But I don't use it just for that. I love golf. It's fun. I watch it. Just stretch before you do it in mirror. Don't ever sleep on the athleticism. Just to spite you,

unpaid bill. I'll tell you, I'll go with you. Matter of fact, why don't we all... Let's do it. Let's go to next game night. I'm taking everybody to Top golf. I'm going. Let's start you there.

Get a lesson first. He said Top golf. Okay, I was like, yeah, that's not the same. No, I want to own top golf. You know, he could get some, you know, he could get some swings in and not. But it's also a physical game. Like, and you're a contend.

You cannot play right now in your current condition. Oh, absolutely not. Not because your back is, yeah. That's dance? No. I see. That would not be a good choice for this injury. Can you name me all the non-professional jobs that you used to have?

Okay. Non-industry related. So growing up, my grandmother had owned a dry cleaners, and at one point had two to three of them. Like, you know, so in Chicago, a lot of, times in the high rises, you have a, they have a dry cleaners in the building. So she would, she, oh, no. So I used to work there every weekend in the summer every day for my grandmother. So dry cleaners, copy store, pizza place, taking orders, and waiting tables at this

Italian restaurant. And then I used to stuff envelopes for my mother at the, you know, at Chicago State University during a certain time during the year. you'd have shit to pay somebody and I did it. I always had a little job. Cereal of choice. And none. Not a cereal.

You're not fun. But she said she don't eat in the morning. She said she'll eat about 12. Okay. Back in the day, it would have been the frosted weaties. Frosted Wheaties. I love those things.

Frosted weat. Frosted mini weeds. Oh, Frosted mini weat. Yeah, Frosted mini weeds. I love those. I can eat those out the box. That's in my top 10. I like those.

I rank that number six. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, you scared me for a second. Okay. Because I don't like it gets, I have to, when I would eat it, like, I don't like my, to get soggy. So I would have to like put the milk in and eat it real quick while I was still crunchy. It gets all mushy and it's gross.

Okay. Amir, what's your top? Oh, dude, I'm peanut butter Captain Crunch all day. Oh, I hate that. Wait, whoa, who? No, crunch berries. If you're going to do a Captain Crunch, you better do a Crunch Berry. I don't know what you're talking about.

And you better eat them with a mouth guard because they're going to cut up the top of your mouth. With the green eyes? No, the sugar puff. What is it the, what is it the puff rice with the sugar? Pops, kicks. Oh, sugar corn pops. No. Golden Crips.

What's the name of the? Golden Crips. It was like sugar cips. Golden Crips. But not toaster. Golden Crips. Minut. No, I don't like that.

Cinnamon Crikes. No. I was not a cinnamon toast, nor a cookie. No. I did like, I would get lucky charms, but just eat all. the marshmallow. Damn right you did. Last night I got, so now they've made

fruity pebbles with marshmallows now. None of that stuff tastes the same. These kids ain't down. That's so much sugar. It's all sugar. It's not the same. I'm still part of the fruit loops. I think fruit loops. Oh yeah. Okay. Fruit loops. They'd be butter. Apple jacks.

This is back of the day. If you're asking me now, I'm going to give you answers from back in the day because my eating habits have changed. I don't eat cereal now. I'm not going to have a big sugar bomb in the morning. Damn. That is not a good choice to start your day off. Yeah, now she's giving life advice. Salihers says there's a pescatarian, vegetarian vegan, all in.

I had a cova protein, vegan shade, the mushrooms ended this morning. That's what I had. Mushrooms are the thing right now. They're brain food. Oh, we know. Magic mushroom. Are you into mushrooms? Like, drug mushrooms.

Drug mushrooms sound like. Magic mushroom. Psychenolics are just a little bit different than heroin. No, 100%. Yeah, I'd never fuck with that. Mushrooms. Yeah, let's do it. At this point in my life, of course not.

Really? What? I thought she's like, call it, yes. Been there, done that, Sally? It'll help your tailbone. Just. I'm too. I'm one of those people at this point.

I would not, like some of the chances I took as a young person. You're not changing horses midstream. Now I'm like, I could get that one crazy high. Like something weird that changes my life. And I got responsibilities and kids. There's nothing. There is nothing there is no high that I'm chasing. I look back at my life and I go, I'm very lucky that nothing crazy happened.

So I'm going to wrap it up and keep moving. I'll have a little wine and maybe a gummy or something. Oh, yeah. I was going to do real drugs on this show. You started with mushrooms. But that ain't a real drugs. That's a psychedelic kind of. It's a psychedelic.

But we talk about drugs. I'm talking about like the hard shit, like the white. shit. Like, schedule two narcotics. You know what I mean? Like, anything that's like injectals. Those people use that as a party drug. So it's, yeah, like,

what? Yeah, but I'm not going to no more parties. No, we're talking about it. No, it's not happening. I don't consider mushrooms a party drug. And my husband's very straight. He's like, no drugs. He barely drinks. He's busy cleaning the garage. No. I would be there. I'm organizing.

Yeah. 2017. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard,

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Woo! Woo! My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means. But I just know the groundlings.

I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come look for up-and-coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of,

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How did you know, I was going to ask that question? Because he knows everything. What is your order at Starbucks? What's your Starbucks order? She doesn't go to Starbucks. I don't. Oh, my God. I got Robert bringing me coffee every morning. If I'm on the set and they say we're going to Starbucks, I will ask for two things.

I will either say I want Americano with one cream, one sugar, or I will go, oh, today I'm going to have a little dessert thing. Give me a iced mocha, half chocolate, soy milk. And that would be no whipped cream. That would be my dream. At home. I have, so he has this mushroom coffee. It's the best, me too. I'm into the mushrooms, but I love, but I love coffee.

So, I. Wait, look at me with extra emphasis. I'm just saying, you asked me about coffee. Okay. So I have my coffee. Listen, try this, because in the morning, this thing will have you moving through your day. So I have my regular big cup of coffee, 10 ounces, and I put a tablespoon of the instant mushroom coffee in my coffee.

And then... I can vouch for this, by the way. I've done this. And then I use a butter bomb in there that has the coconut oil and the ghee butter mixture thing. And that's why I don't eat till one because that kind of carries me... One is that. Tarik puts a dab of coconut butter inside of his coffee.

Yeah. And it... What does that do? Something. It's actually... It's really good for your mental capacity. energy. What?

That mixed with the mushroom stuff with, like, I'm moving. So wait, what kind of butter was that again? Butter bomb. Butter bomb or a coconut. That's a type. I'm asking Sally. Why are you asked a print? But it's a mixture of butter, coconut in this other M something thing.

Butter bombs, that's on Amazon. I can vouch for this. Tarique put us on to it. I did it. It actually works. But this whole mixture with the mushroom in it is my, I think is my thing. It's my thing. I made it up because I don't want mushroom coffee.

I want coffee. And so I was like, I could put it all in one drink. That's what it is. It's coffee with mushroom in it. Why are you coming at Don Dr. It would actually be. But he don't drink coffee. Oh, so you think he don't know.

Okay. No, no, the mushroom, because it's a mushroom coffee. I add the mushroom coffee powder into my regular coffee with the butter thing and no sugar. If coffee was really my jam, I'm one of these people. I'm not, wow, we're talking about coffee, Steve. You have not waiting yet. thinking about snorting rice crispy he's still thinking

about as much as the Christmas gift of the dresser. When I think of Starbucks, my Christmas gift to Steve is always like you probably ran out already. I mean, I had a gold Starbucks card or something that last. Yeah, it's like a lifetime supply of it. All right, for Halloween. What is your costume?

Wait, we're already off this? All right, shit, okay. Oh, we're still talking about coffee? No, I'm obsessed, but let's talk about Halloween. I'm into it. Okay. The last Halloween, that we went to was a dress up as your, because they were, people were performing on stage too and doing a thing.

So I went as vanity. Wow. Yes, you did. I went as vanity. I wore her a little outfit, you know. And you sang nasty girl? I was going to, and then I chickened out. But wait, which vanity out from the actual movie?

No, no, vanity when they vanity six. Off in the video. And so I had, I rented a tuxedo jacket. And I had on a lingerie and the heels. I went, that's how I went. Nice. That's how I went. So do you go karaoke at all?

No. No. You started out as a singer. But I don't like karaoke. It's not my thing. Okay. Because you go and then it's not in the key. You need to be, I'm judging.

It's like it's two. No. No. Those songs are always higher than you think. They're always higher than you think. Like any Bon Jovi song ever, you're like, I got this shit. And then you get to the door. And then you get to the chorus of blaze the glory and you're like, I don't got this shit.

No, no, no, no. And then they give you this book like this. I can't make a choice. Yeah, the book is it's like a cheesecake factory thing. No, I can't. It is. Yeah, it's a lot going on. Just go with wham.

Not into people judging me. Okay, for me, I discovered that I have to go back to me as a 9, 10, 11-year-old and discover fun for that person. For you, what is your? your one, do you allow yourself to ever become an 11-year-old at this stage in your life? And what is it that you do for fun? Do you play a monopoly when no one's watching? Do you watch Tom and Jerry? Play spades.

Am I really making you uncomfortable right now? Well, because I'm thinking my whole life is going, I'm going, maybe I'm not doing enough things for fun. We do play spades. I don't know if I'm doing that all the time. But we used to, a lot of things I used to do, like Dandre and I used to be in a bowling league. We used to bowl a lot. Okay. And golf more than he would say I'm not playing much golf anymore.

I started getting too into work. So I might, you may be telling me I need to have more fun. Because usually, no, no, no. These are just random questions. But you're not, this is a hard question for me to answer. It would usually be getting together. We have sort of a couple's group. We all go out to dinner.

And it's really hanging out with them and going to dinner. But that doesn't sound like that much fun. We're vacationing together, but it doesn't sound that exciting. You know something, though? I've discovered the joys of silence, you know. I'm kind of, you know, how they say I would rather be at home, sitting up in my house is comfortable. We have a nice little area outside.

I can watch TV outside and sit there and be with my husband and with my dogs and chill. Okay. You know. You have a guilty pleasure in terms of food or like, we talk about all the healthy stuff that you do. What's like, yo, you know, when you just want to go to the abyss, like what's the worst thing you eat? Like you just, you have buzzed down a quarter pounded like three days and a day.

Like, hey, well, today wanted cheeseburgers. He was like, I was fucking eat cheeseburger. What's ratchet, Sally Richardson? I think. I think it would be some, because so for many, for a long time, I was like a vegan, vegetarian. I've just started eating some meat sometimes now. So I think it would be some pizza and wings, something like that.

Limba pepper? No, no, I want spicy. You want to eat on it? I want hot, yeah. I've been enjoying some. Harold? Harold? Let's talk about it.

And which her? Okay, which hurls do you go to? Who? Which her curls? Oh, wow. Finally. Now, that hit a nerve right there. She was like, hold on.

She thought about that mild sauce. She was like, whole shit. I'm literally in my brain. What I'm sorry, I'm telling you the truth. We're a very silly show. No. You have been. Very serious.

About mushrooms and. And I said, we're very silly show. You can ask and me serious shit. What you want? I'm giving you serious answers. Okay. But, uh, oh. So what's your heralds?

Okay, my heralds, it's been a long time. But my Harold's order would be. Say it like you at the counter because. Okay, well, I got to think about it because I remember I liked. Harold's. Harold is my chicken heaven in Chicago. So you would get, it's like a fried chicken plate, and then there's French fries on it and some white bread.

And so I always get, you know, like, what is that, like half a chicken or something? I don't remember what, but I like the barbecue sauce and the hot sauce all over it. And I'll, yeah, yeah, so like, yeah, half a chicken and. The kind of place that serves white bread with it. Yes, no, it has to be white bread. It's got to be, yeah. It has to be white bread. Or, ooh, in Chicago, ooh, rib tip.

Yes, sir. Yes. Chicago South Side, that is the city of rib tips. Rib tips and white bread. I never heard of that white wonder bread and some french fries. I'm so glad you're here because it's been a while since we had a Chicago guest on the show. You've got to explain some things to me. Okay. Number one.

Here we go. What's up with y'all and this anti-c ketchup on hot dog thing? That's a, you know what? I like ketchup on my hot dog. Thank you. You too. Yeah, because you get, when you go get a Chicago hot dog, it's a pickle, these peppers and mustard and onions. And they kick you out the restaurant sometimes if you put ketchup on it or like laugh you out of the restaurant.

If you ordered a Chicago dog. It's an insult to them. Yeah. Yeah. I like ketchup on my hot dog. I think that's more of a white thing. Okay. Yeah.

Defends your pizza. It's fantastic. No. No. Oh my God. The way she looked at me right now. I used to work at a pizza place. I used to work at Eduardo's, which is like really thick pizza.

Well, not to totally alienate an entire part of our listenership. I will just... But let me tell you. Could you recommend good, better spots in Chicago? Okay, so honestly, on the, oh, what, I do not remember the name of this. There is a place on, like, really south side, because my mom lives out, like, in the south suburb. You said really south side. I'm like, nope, I'm good.

No, no. I'm going to answer in there. Because he's, because she lives out like in the South suburbs now. But it's a thinner pizza that they have. But there is a different taste to the sauce and the pizza in Chicago. Oh, God, I wish I. As opposed to New York City? No, no, because yours is super thin, okay, right?

The New York pizza is its own thing. It's fantastic. But there is a thinner crust pizza. in Chicago that has like the sausage pizza with the grease in it and the taste of that sauce is I think maybe it's

neighborhood pizza or something it is a you would love that pizza if you don't like the crust fine but you would love that pizza I would put that pizza on the cell. What's the name of the spot in I'm a I'm a text my mother before I leave here and find out the name of this

pizza place I would put that against a slice of New York pizza. Okay. No, no, no. I don't have any. You don't have any. I just have to live in New York, but I haven't claimed it as my home yet. Okay, okay, okay.

But, you know, I'm testing out their pizzas, but. New York wins. That, you know what? Okay, so now besides Harold's, that pizza in Chicago, that kind of thin crust one with that grease and that Italian sausage, that and Chicago, and Chicago, Chinese. food is because they don't Chicago Chinese food

is well obviously it's what I grew up on but like some egg food young from some shrimp egg food young it's a whole different Chinese I came out here Chinese place we went to that one night David Wong yo I tried David Wong's last night yeah came back dude I was losing hope

changed my life as a Jew who loves Chinese food for whatever reason that moment at that night David Wong is it fancy Chinese or is it like in a... It's not hood. It's not hood.

It's, um, but it's not fancy, but it's not hood. But they've mastered the art of salt and pepper chicken wings. Ah, okay. And, yes. My test is always egg fu young and shrimp with lobster sauce if it tastes a certain way. If it's not right, then your restaurant ain't right. Philadelphia is a salt and pepper chicken. Our whole odd.

It's like two dishes of what is probably like a thousand dishes. Those two dishes are big staples in a Chicago Chinese restaurant. We should be able to make egg fu young and... I feel like you're about to fight with Sally. I'm just saying. I love him when he. That's the Chicago. I see that one night.

I was at a random dinner and I seen that. You should have had some alcohol here. I might have been a different person. Lesson. Let's meet back here tomorrow. Yeah. Same bad time. Meet us tomorrow.

We're working to us at a minute. That was a huge life. We're going to wrap up it a bit. But, no, I have a few more random questions. You have to ask me about Gilded real quick so I can tell you about the, oh, see? I did. Okay, you kind of did. It's a great season.

It'll be fantastic. No, what more would you like to speak on? No, I just want people, it's about to come out. And, you know, what I want to tell for my black audience. Yes, come on, because we've been watching for you. All I want to say, who were hungry for more of Peggy and the black elite. She's not going to get hurt when she goes to the South. I'm not telling you not of that.

Well, words. Yeah, be quiet. Episode 3. But she does go, but I can't say that she goes to meet Booker T. Washington, so she does go to Tuskegee. So, but you get to see more of that. Because people are hungry for it because it was just the taste. Obviously, the show is not about that. So I just wanted to say that.

Because people have been, everywhere I go, people are like, when's it coming back? Are we going to see more Peggy? Yes, you are. And it's going to be great. Peg is kind of great. Well, that just totally paled my next question. You're like, what's your favorite? It was one of those randoms.

You can ask me a random. I just wanted to give people. People keep asking me, someone to tell them. Go ahead. Do you all put a little extra, some extra funky on those clothes, on the wardrobe of guilded? They spent a lot of money on those clothes. Because it seems, I mean, it's 1800, but it's still funky.

It's still too. No, art. The designer, Kasha, is brilliant. Like, why? This French woman, she is brilliant. They are all handmade. But, you know, obviously the ones for the actors. for the main actors.

They're all handmade for each of them. They are made with the most beautiful fabric. The hats are all. It's all about the hats this year. I saw that in the flowers. It's just that's what I enjoyed so much in directing it was like, oh, if she showed me a special piece,

I'm like, don't worry, baby. We're going to see you again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, ask you a shallow question. Go ahead. Wow. She's like Jerry Springer up this big. Sally's getting crazy.

At 7.10 on a Monday. You look the fuck out. I kind of wanted to end it on a rather apropos question. What would you tell your seven-year-old self right now? Shallow shit. See, they should have warned you about this show. No, no, no. Some guests are a little thrown off because, yeah, I mean, we could do the normal thing like, hey, what do you plug?

But I want to get to know the person, you know, behind the projects. What would you tell your seven-year-old self right now? Oh. Like, you're giving two minutes to time travel back to you at the age of seven. And depending your parents didn't. I think it's, I think it really is one of those, like, you will make it through this. Okay. You will make it through this.

And I always say, and it's going to be okay. Like, it's really, you're going to make it through this. You're going to make it through this. Yeah. That's great. What is it like to direct Audrey McDonnell? Okay, I'm sorry. My last question, Gilded question.

What is it like, I'm going to say it one more time, to direct Audra McDonnell? She's, she's one of those people. there's not much to do because she's brilliant and she's kind and nice and easy and everything you would hope from someone who's that talented. Like there's no issues and if I didn't

you know if I if that wasn't true then I would have given you a quick easy answer so she's a good lady well my future mentor Sally Richards Whitfield are you coming in shadowing you ready? Oh you thought it was bullshit and then I'll come and talk to you about

documentary work Ooh. Ooh. It's like a round table. Come on now. Well, I thank you for coming on the show. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me.

I was very excited when you guys called. Thank you. Thank you for putting your touch on my favorite show. Okay. Nah, straight up. Straight up. And, yeah, I'm going to be happy of Fantigolo and I'mpe Bill and Sugar Steve and Laiia. This is Questlove.

Thank you, Sally Richardson, Woodbill, for coming on the show. And we'll see you on the next go-round, the Questlove Supremo. All right. Thank you for listening to Questlove Supreme, hosted by Amir Questlove Thompson, Laius S. Clair, Fonte Colvin, Sugar Steve Mandel,

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You might have seen the skits, my basketball, and basketball, and college football journey or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. This week on the Sports Slice podcast, it's all about the NFL draft. And we've got a special guest. The director of the NFL's East-West Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco, joins the Sports Slice podcast to break down what really matters when evaluating draft prospects. From hidden traits teams look for to the biggest mistakes franchises make, to the players flying under the radar. This is the insight you won't hear anywhere else.

If you want to understand the draft like an insider, you don't want to miss this episode. Listen to the Sports Slice podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice of Life 12 and TikTok podcast network on TikTok. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands.

I bowed. I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

I got you. Everyone, I'm Ego Wadam. My next guest, it's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo, who. My dad gave me the best advice ever. He goes, just give it a shot. But if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall

and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration. It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, Just hang in there.

Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, Bachelor star Clayton Eckerd was accused of fathering twins. But the pregnancy appeared to be a hoax. You doctored this particular test twice, Ms. Owens, correct? I doctored the test ones.

It took an army of internet detectives to uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing. Greg Alespian. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences.

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