The Questlove Show - The Family Stand (Part 2)

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

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so entertaining, and so hilarious. This just might be my favorite episode of Quest Love Supreme ever. Yes, I'm going on record. Jimmy Jam, I might have to break your heart. You might be number two. This is probably one of my favorite moments on this whole experience of bringing you guys information. So without further ado, this is part two of the Family Scan episode on Quest Love Supreme. So we were on you.

I'm sorry, before you were a really rude interruption. That was a good interruption, though. I like that. Yeah, so, I mean, she said something that we definitely should acknowledge. Which is, you know, Jimmy giving her the heads up on a certain someone. Thank you for giving me the heads up on friends. Oh. Oh.

Wait a minute. What happened her solo record in... Which one? There was 93, the Sanctuary album. Yeah, what happened... Oh, my God. So wait, you left... You left, well, I'm not saying Marilyn, Bob, and Sylvia,

but just to return to them, wasn't your solo project on... Okay. What time do we have? So... Go look at the time. Are we going to be crying after the story? Probably.

No, no. It's actually kind of... Funny when I look back. It wasn't funny then. But, no, so I was, of course, so as a group with Atlantic, they were signed as producers. It was going to be a producer's album, but then we decided to make it just us. So then they had to sign me in an inducement letter, right? So I was signed separately.

They were committed to five albums. I was only committed to three albums. And after that third album, we saw that the label wasn't going to give us any real love, right? It was like they were treating it. Like they've been doing. Like, they were like, do, do. So, so, you know, we said, look, let's just, let's just take you someplace else. You're, your deal is up.

Let's go do basically family saying someplace else, but just under your name, right? Oh, okay. So, because I was free. I was free. Right. And that was fine. And so I remember the meeting with me and our, and our manager, Abby, with Sylvie Ruan. And he told her.

Sylvia Ruinthal. So let's see Just let it sit for us I got a rep for Fonte Nigger Okay That's a girl I sound like folly

It's a folly Sensible You know folly? Yes We actually need to get Foli on too You got it I love Foley on

Foley's crazy I love him That she's like The original thing She tests me all the time So We're in the meeting And Abby's explaining to her

So basically we're here because Sandra's deal is up and we just want to let you know that you have first write a refusal. So you could, you know, pick her up a solo artist or she's going someplace else. And she was like, no, that's not true. That's not true. No, that's not true. And he said, but it is. No, that's not true. That's not true.

But it is. This went off like three or four times. She picks up phone calls business affairs. Uh-huh. Slams a phone down. Oh, she was mad. So she was mad as hell. And then she was just like, okay, okay.

She was tight, man. She was tight. So we exited the room. We just exited because she was, woo. We left. And that was fine. This is when she was still at, you know, Atlantic, right? I mean, Atlantic.

Can I ask the question? East West. Can I answer a question, though? Yeah, yeah. So when you tell a label exec, a label exec. Yeah. A label exec. Thank you.

I'm black. Lookity black. When you tell a label exec, that was scary as fun, right? It was just scary. I'm telling you, this is the best episode ever. When you tell them, look, can we, can you let us go because, you know. You ain't doing that for us? Okay, it was a hostile thing.

No, you can't say it like that. It'll be depending on who you're talking to. Because I wrote the most humbling letter ever to Jimmy, like Jimmy Avi was crying at the end like, oh, okay. That's sweet. I just said, sir, you have all these platinum arinas like, you won't let us at all. Right.

No, but we, so why the need to hang on to you? Yeah, it's a whole egg on the face thing for some people and that's, there's an ego issue with some folks. But if they let you, so the fear of you having success on another label.

Some place else, it would be egg on their face. Yeah. Because I couldn't make it work, but they could. Oh, that's not good. No, that makes me look like I was, I was the failure and not the artist. So, okay. Let me just try to cut the chase.

No, no, no. It was the long version. Shut up. So wait. So we leave this meeting. He was over. Okay, I'm free and clear. And she was obviously not going to give me, you know, the first.

She wasn't going to try to pick me up herself because she was pissed. And so we go do our little searching. We're talking to Sony. We're talking to Epic. We got, like, you know, a little bidding war going on. I wanted to go with Elektra, the boutique label, because they loved black women. They had Anita Baker. They had Tracy Chapman.

They had Natalie Cole. They had, they had, need a bit, with me, it was like, I can't even think about it. They had, like, so many, it was thick with just big black women voices. Crasnow was there. Crasnow was there. Crasnow was there. Oh, he loved black women. He loved black women.

Bob Crasnow, yes. He loved, he loved voices, man. Right. So he was like, he was like, you know, he wasn't offering the most money. What? No, no, no. The story's about to go to worry laughing at the punchline. Oh, stop.

Okay, good, good, okay. So you see what you see what's got. Can you see what's happening? Go ahead. So Bob Kraser's there, like, dope. And he's like, I've got like a $9,000 budget, which is great back in the day. He sent me, we had finished the album. I was in the can.

Sent me to Jamaica to do the photo shoot. I'm in the limo on the way back from Jamaica, get a call from Michael O'Lago, my A&R at the time. First it was Carol Chiseman and Michael Lago. He said, did you hear what happened? I said, no. He said Bob Krasn, I was stepping down. And I was like, oh, damn.

shit, because I love that. You know, but it's cool. Albums in the can. You know, we just finished the shoot. Boom, boom, and he's like, you know who took his place? I'm like, well, of course, I don't even know he stepped down. And he said, Sylvia Ron. Oh, that's great.

Electra. Electra. Oh, God, no. Oh, Jesus. All right. Thank you. Sorry. I need a little bit more than that one.

I thought you're going to go. Dun, dun, dun, da. Damn, I feel like by the time she got there, it was only in Vogue left over. So what was that meaning? What was that meaning like? So then I wrote her a letter. I thought you were going someplace. See?

Yeah, see? Yeah, see? Yeah, my brother, I'm going to kill you, see? What you did to my brother? I'm going to do to you now, see. I wrote her a nice letter, sent her a candle. I was like, girl, hey, you know, this is time for us to like, women to like, you know, this is a woman. I tried my best.

I did. She would ever bit you with her eyes? I tried to, yo, I let her and a candle. And so I was like, okay, I figured she was just, you know, I said, I'm glad to see you here. Let's sit down. And let's just, you know. Black women working, girl. Yes.

I was like, yes. Women and sister. I'm doing it. She was like, yeah, you come on in. Let's sit down and talk. Uh-oh. I was like, okay. And so I was like, okay, yeah, so go and sit down.

Oh, my God. Her eyes were on fire. So she sat there. She was, she let me talk and we played the music some more because she had already heard the album. She said, no, no, play it for me. So I played it. milking the shit. Let me tell you so. She was milking, you know her.

Yeah. Yeah. Mielking it. Eyes was just like watching me, right? And while we listen, I'm trying to just be cool, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be all aesthetic. I was like waving incense and shit. I swear to God. I bought the whole shebang with me. And so we listened to the shit, she was like, you know, I just don't think this is for us.

I just don't hear anything for this isn't really where I want to go with the label you know oh so she just kind of said you know bye you know just like no this is we're not going to do this and I'm like but if their album is kind of already done she's like yeah I'm not going to release it you know but am I free are you going to let me go or you know she was like Well, we'll talk about that later, but for sure we're not going to do anything with this record. We're not going to be releasing it. She said that like 12 times. She loved that so much.

It was like, it was like Paul Mooney like saying, diga, diga, digger, keep his teeth white. She was like, we're not going to release your album. We're not going to release your album. Gosh, she records the race album by Paul Mooney. One of my favorite albums of all time. Yo, man. Wait, wait, wait. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to tell you that when the idea of me having my own podcast was introduced, this is my dream.

Like, I'm never going to have this high again. Go be chasing the dragon from here on now. Every story, yeah, this is my crack hit. B.S. Sylvia ain't coming. I know. I don't know if you'll get Sylvia. No, not the ball. No.

No, she's not about time. She'd be a good interview. I actually seen her recently. Oh, yeah. I see all the time. I've seen it recently. She comes to, her artist still come to the Tonight Show. And this is what, and I said this to her.

And actually, I meant this, this is the thing about Sylvia and us and them, really, because as you said, when we open introduction, we are kind of a, we're a different group of kind of individuals, groups in the context of music industry, whatever. And the thing is, on a certain, on a deep level, I think she really, really, really got who we were and us really dug the music. However when she had to go out into the world of those R&B

promotion departments they were like, what is this shit you, we get a hell of us but they don't get seven of those or what's this rock shit? What, you know, so. Damn it black radio. Yes. Well, they would have to- plantation radio. It means that they would have to

use elbow grease. Well, yes. And figure out it actually have to work. Yeah, they're not. That's not it. They don't do that record labels. I mean, the thing, literally every time, it's funny, I even want to hear these songs today.

My little kids hear, they hear, like, invoked songs, and they sound dope. Before Ghetto Heaven came out, we heard, they showed us, she said this, we know we have this new, there's other actors coming out the same time as you. Oh, yeah, I remember. We was up in our office. And she played the video, and I'm like, oh, who's this group?

And then I heard, Hold on to your love. And so the video, I'm like, I was like, I was like, oh, oh. Uh-oh. Right, we all said, uh-oh. They all said, uh-oh, the same time. I heard the song.

Coming out the same time? The track is dope, and they look hot. And the black dresses, yeah. They put, it seemed like every time we put out a record, Invo came out two weeks before. So Invo came out right before. Don't let go. Yes. Digger.

Yeah. It came out. So that came out right before Ghetto Heaven. So when Ghetto Heaven, we had a chance to go number one, it was like, ah. And really where, you know, it's kind of like the Faulkner Road, where. careers divide. There was a song we had out on that album called Summer I Fall. Oh, yeah. That kind of should have been a number one kind of R.B. Ballad hit, but it came out two weeks after something else that he didn't vote it put out. It was like, and I think

Sanja knew somebody at the label, we're going to the whole story. But as I remember correctly, they were like, yeah, you know. He was fine as far as far as me. Yeah. Yeah. He would have been fine if he'd got the record to, but anyway. It did well in his territory Yes, it did, Sandra. I'm not sure it did, I mean, you know. North Carolina was popping on. I know.

It probably went to number four, just like the size of his personality. Oh, no. Oh, no. I know, though, darling, you don't know what I know. Actually, I saw the videos. But anyway. Oh, the real family.

Wow. Real family's there. Let me just. Do this sound clearances? This is going on the air. Yeah. It's going. Okay.

I'm playing. It's why I need it. It's automatic. I don't know these guys. Yeah. What is your sign? Because you deal really well with these two. Oh, yeah.

Does it really matter? Yeah. No, no. He's always like, okay, there they go. He just slides. You're like an earth thing or something. No, he's spicy. Ah, yeah, but still more.

I love that you guys, at least now, are really putting up the appearance that you love each other. We do. We do. No, I know. You can't fake this chemistry, which is why I'm a means to see this. So for this particular situation, like I don't believe in a true democracy. I believe in the idea of a true democracy.

And I've said this on many episodes before. Yes. Like I like to think that the 11 of us have say or whatever. Like, what do you think? What do you think? What do you think? You know, like everyone from the leader to the minion, the last member of the group to get at it, but how do you guys decide?

Because the thing is is that you guys are also kind of a dinosaur in terms of the fact that groups were starting to become extinct by the early 90s. So by the time you guys come along, there's like maybe nine black bands left on a major label as opposed to 70 or 170 20 years ago.

So how do you guys make decisions? How do you guys establish a song? How do you guys, like, I'm not asking like, who's the alpha? Is this 33 and a third equally? We trust and love each other so much on a, and seriously on a deep level that we each have things that we kind of say, kind of takes the lead on. in a very organic, very organic way.

I mean, the biggest, Jeff and I almost kind of like, what's it, John and Bernie Taplan. We never, we've never really had one major fight except who should be, except Greg Anthony when he was the point guard of the Knicks. Yeah, that was ridiculous fight, man. Yeah, because. We know he was the greatest point guard.

See, Jeff was delusion about Greg Anthony. Everything over, except for music. No, no, no. I said, Greg Anthony is a great defensive player, but he can't shoot. But anyway, but I, I agree with. He eventually shot when he got to the Grizzly. Yeah, I had a joke boy, but I'm not going to say it.

Oh, no, that's not. Yeah, no, I'm not going to say that one. But it had to do with the rest. But anyway, I got a lot of favorite references, but I like Greg Anthony. He's a great guy. But it was... The jokes. The jokes.

No, but we respect each other's opinion. And there's, like, different areas that each of us kind of just like, you know. In my specific situation, I know that the... And I know that... Tarek will probably say, like, no, it's 51 you and 49 me. But in my eyes, I'm like, well, I'll slave over a song all night. But if he can't write to it, then it's not getting on the album. And I know the true answer is, well, you guys should be in the room at the same time.

No, no, no, no. But I kind of like working by myself because I had weird hours and I want to get all my ideas out. Some therapeutic things, though. is is collaboration just a myth or no and I mean I tell you is it a frustrating compromise I tell you now it's it's harder than it was when we all because now he's here I'm in the Netherlands and he's in California

I forgot you moved out of yeah you now live in the Netherlands now live she's been there since 2003 right 2002 I've known you forever I know right I mean it's like yeah I've been there I've been there for, I come back and forth so much, though. That's why. That's why your shoes are so dope.

Dumb question. Dumb question. Do you, of course you like it better. I don't know. Actually, well, yeah. What's expat like like? It's a better country for, as. Better health care, better system.

Is it free? No, it's not free, but it's good and it's reliable and it's, you know, it's no bullshit. You flew in Dutch right now? Yeah, it kind of. Ava Pacta, I shall visit the whole interview in the Netherlands project, but that's the, you know, is off-meet. How long did it take you to nail the language?

Six months. No, no. Yeah, six months. No, because, I mean, because of classical training, you know. I learned Aries and Italian, German, Russian, and French, so languages come easily. I've learned that when you unlock the 16th gene key of your mind, of the 50 of them.

What book did you just read? Right? I'm sorry, I live the Gene Keys every day, so it's just that you can... It's teaching you how to retain how your subconscious can retain information. But your subconscious mind blocks you from taking it. Like, everyone in this room has the power to play, like, rock monoun enough right now if they want it to. But it's your faith in... Oh, I can't learn Mandarin.

You shut yourself down. I believe that. Right. No doubt. No doubt. But I'm an American. So even with all of our terribleness and, you know, and madness and crazy, I miss America.

So I need to be in. What do you miss the most about? I think the, well, the small things a lot, the shared, the shared history and the things that we can talk about, even like references of jokes. if I say if I reference oh my shoe everybody knows I'm talking about

Auntie falling out of step I say it over there they look at me like sooty you know that's whack you know what I mean so it's like you have to like really you gotta talk

like very precise and just direct they're very blunt and and you know their jokes are not my jokes and my jokes aren't their jokes and my history is not their history So even though you run into black people

It's not saying black people I was gonna say do you order your hair products off Amazon Girl I don't do none of their hair shit over there I was about to say and I'm like So how you get your shit? How you please I order products Over here I come here often enough to take shit back You got a lot of shade butter that you just put in the bag

I see sisters on the street over there I'd be like oh girl Yeah because Her hair in Europe black hair in Europe Oh baby I'm really thinking about my I'm really getting over there doing hair though Never mind

that's that's seriously going to be my next hustle I'm gonna have I'm gonna open up a hair studio or hair

because they need it so needed your girls your girls my girls yeah their hair yeah

I get all their products and stuff you have daughters yeah they got they got that you know that other kind of

hair oh they from that they have they're living in okay you just need a little bit of water on your brush

I was a good to talk Put a little bit of breath, water on brush. They're good, little coconut all, they're fine. They're fine. They're fine. They're fine. They're fine. They're all right.

They're good. They're good. They're straight. They're straight. All right. Right now, I'm going, wait, whoa, whoa. We still didn't get to the point of the story. What was the point of story?

What does Jimmy Jam warn you about? Oh, my God. I totally don't know. We're a rabbit hole show. We fall down rabbit holes all the time. Oh, no. I remember when I first When

Prince told Warner Brothers that he He had heard my sanctuary album And I'm like, how do you hear my sanctuary? How do you hear my sanctuary? To this day, don't know how he heard my thing Prince or Jimmy Jones Prince. I have my ways.

I was waiting for somebody doing it. I was like, how do you? So she's like, I don't know But he says he listens to it every morning and he has to work with you. I was like, what? Wow, dope. So before I actually met him,

I think it was an ASCAP award show or something and Jim and Jam and Terry Lewis were there and I was like oh my god yo guys guess what I'm getting ready to work with Prince man and they were like What are you When you come over

Watch your back sis Just watch your back. Just watch your back. I was like, well, geez, that sounds very bitter. Why are they saying that? I didn't know, okay, but I found out, didn't I? I found out because, you know, everybody knows. He was a nice guy with us when he hung out with us.

Hanging out. Nice. Yeah, he was cool. He was a cool when he hung out with us. Prince, look, you know, shit, man, I did one interview in the BBC. They asked me to tell truth, and I did. and the Prince Legion came from me. You got a call on Prince.org.

Wait, who called me? Wait, who? Charmer. What's his name? Oh, Kirk. Yeah, Kirk. Right, that's right. The Kirk call you?

No. Why you put your eyebrow up like that? Not again. It wasn't even Kirk. It was just the legions of Prince. That's insane. They came for me. It was like.

The beehive, right? Yeah, I was like, dude, seriously. They're the original beehive. Y'all need to slow your role because. You don't need to find another house. First of all. You ain't even no end. Okay, fuck you.

So, like, you know, I told the truth. You believe what you won't believe, but back the level of my mom, yeah. So, you know. So I'm vaguely aware, so basically over the Soul Sanctuary song that was on Emancipation. Five songs off that record. Damn. Yeah. Five.

With no chat. So, wait, what else? There was one that ended up on Shaka's come to my house album. He gave me credit on that. Yeah. Or my leg. I'll never open my legs again. And then this motherfucker

telling me, he's like, yeah, we're gonna have to change the title on that. Because that's the one he gave me credit on. He was like, well, that in the sanctuary. I said, why? I said, because, you know, a woman shouldn't be saying. I'm like, I said, right, you wrote head. Right. But he was

a Jehovah's witness at that point. So he was. Yeah, but I was so like, I was so like, I'm like, one of the mill. I'm like, I need 15 year ago prince. Right, right. Right. Right. I want to work with. Yeah. 96 to 2000. 2004 religion prince.

That was that period that I was messing with him. And, you know, he was all in that mode. And I remember the very first time I met him, I came to the studio. I had like, you know, I was just in the, I'm still in my crystals. And, you know, I said my son, he must have thought there was some juju. You know what I mean? That was all like against everything the witnesses was about, you know. Wait a minute.

It's the first time he met him. What are you talking about? We met him in, uh... No, I mean, I mean, as far as to work. Working with him. Yeah. Okay. But, I mean, he was a big family stand fan.

I love, yeah. I'm going to say that I, too, used to laugh at all crystal carrying people. And now you are one. And now I'm sorry. But I'm being, butabum, so, you know. I see a light now. Yeah. Five songs.

You know, and cut jams, right? It's just me start using those crystals with the odorant that's usually. I don't do that. I don't use a crystal stick. I don't do that. I don't. I don't. Everybody has.

It's okay. Everybody has tried it. I just don't Theodorant? Because I've seen I've smelled the results. You know the term As for me

In my house We will serve the Lord Yeah It ain't my house no more Okay You need to her to get some times They made like a charcoal join now They're a little bit stronger

Yeah I'm using charcoal Toeface Charcoal soup Crystal Come on Come on Come on, man

Sorry I went out with this girl once here She used A pebble I told you Like for the deodorant The pebble Yeah

I told her She better get a rock or something. Oh, the pebble wasn't working? No. I'm not. Spell wasn't working. Gibralta. Oh, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

I'm sorry. Yeah, all that Brooklyn lines won't let me insult them. Yeah, when she's not looking, though, I sneak and get the unscented. Hell yeah. There you go. There you go, blah, bitty-a-bun. It's a long day, niggas. A long, come on.

A win is a win. A win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clever Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.

And Rule 2, never mess with her friends either. We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care.

So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Ego Wode. My next guest, you know from Step Brothers Anchorman, Saturday Night Live, and the Big Money Players Network. It's Will Ferrell. Woo, woo, woo, woo. My dad gave me the best advice ever. I went and had lunch with them one day, and I was like, and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot.

I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place that come look for up and coming talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration.

It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat. Just hang in there. Yeah, it would not be. Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot of luck. Listen to Thanks Dad on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This has really been a check-to-in interview. Like, I was about to say, do you guys feel as though we're respecting your history?

I feel like this is such... Oh, no. We got so... Are all interviews like this? No. No, this is the best one ever. Shut up. This is the best one ever.

It's just happy. I'm happy. This is the best one ever. What do you say? Say it again. This is the best one. Now I'm thinking about questions I didn't ask. Which is...

We got time. How did... No, we'll let you go. Because literally... We got time. Take your time. Hey, Jimmy Jam times. All right.

Take a time. We got time. Now we're going to go for it. Go for it. How did the suggestion of Nellie and Jazzy B remixing Ghetto Heaven? Merlin Bob. They have to be Merlin, right? Merlin Bob.

Yeah. Because Merlin was spending a lot, so he knew these guys. Yeah, he said Jazzy B, but, you know, and of course it was Nelly Hooper who did the real work. Well, that's, I mean, that's always the case. Like, there's, we know someone sells the product and someone does the work. Yeah, yeah. Jimmy, it was a, no, not Jim. what's that a

jelly bean jelly bean jelly bean jelly bean he had I mean a lot of people did stuff for him yeah you just

yeah but he's you're leasing the name he was kind of brilliant though you're leasing the name recognizability that's all good and the thing is the interesting thing about that is

there's a lot of people thought we were from London they still I just had to correct somebody on Facebook yesterday I absolutely thought you guys were from London yeah I was one of those people I love British soul

I'm like yeah here's the thing we're from Brooklyn At the time, you know, looking at the album cover, we didn't look like we were from. No. No, y'all definitely looked like you were a whole thing was. I thought you were part of like the young disciples clearly.

Yeah, right, right. The whole thing was, yeah, yeah. It wasn't an on-purpose thing. I just think it was just from a headspace. It literally came out in 89, at first, the end of 89, 90, Ghetto Heaven. And it was just, not that we were conscious of it, but it was just, we were moving forward.

And whatever was happening there, we just knew that. Yeah, because we were, We were doing some different on the label. I mean, we made a conscious decision when we were doing the video for ghetto heaven to have some dark skin black women with big butts and locks. That was a conscious decision. Because everybody's walking around with jubby curls.

I mean, we said, no, we want specific things in this video that people need to see. There's another thing I want to bring up. The amount of underhanded, kind of not subversive, but sneaky snark in the lyrical content of your record. Now you see where it's... Which album is you're talking about? No, all over. And the thing is, is that did you guys ever worry about any particular blowback from... Never gave a shit.

Oh, my God. When we did Moon and Scorpio, that was, we just did not give a fuck. We did not. After that, because we didn't, we weren't even letting the record company hear shit when we were doing it. Because at that point, we was like, okay, y'all ain't promoting us anywhere. We're going to do what we want to do. So that album had to ask, did you guys even, like, were you testing the label? Like, oh, we could just talk shit about whoever.

No, we weren't testing them. We didn't give a fuck. I just think that, yeah. What the thing is this, I think we. snuck up on them in a way. And that was, I don't even go to know if it was conscious. It's hard to know at this point, but is that it started out just to be a

producer's album, but we knew we wanted to be a band. Right. And so there was a hint of that on chain, but by the time, like Jeff said, we got the moon to Scorpio, it was like, this is what it is. And as long as, you know, as long as you really know that you're telling the truth, then people can say, why'd you, all I can say to you is, why'd you tell that truth, you know?

Because it's true. You know, so we weren't. And Plantation Radio, like, for example, on that album, that was just, you know, we realized that, you know, you, your bad can be dope, this person can be dope. If you're black, you're doing something alternative, you need your Christopher Columbus to discover you or, and so you can be on and be put on the seat.

These look, you know, so we just, there's a whole lot of facade to that whole thing, as you know, you've lived it, you've been doing it. Right. We were talking about Sandra going, solo. So I thought it would be a good time to talk about the album that you guys did without her. Connected. With Jackie. Jackie. I forgot about Jackie. Yeah.

Jack and me geek, yeah. I understand that didn't exactly work out too well. Musically, it was nice. Yeah, musically, it worked out well. Because sometimes when I see something on YouTube to be like, they didn't even like the singer. That wasn't true. We love Jack. We actually had a really good relationship with her. I think the only issue was maybe her concept. up of what of the rock thing or whatever that in her mind was at the time. Maybe it wasn't so much as naturally internalized as it was with Sandra.

But so it almost like it was kind of put together in a way that was kind of quick. So maybe there was enough time to build so much the natural rapport. I was going to say that like what I'm witnessing here is like some Harlem Glutrata's look on her hands. Chemistry here that. You would have to actually build. Did you guys know Jackie from before? No, yeah, we didn't.

We did. Someone said, hey, grab it, make it last forever, girl. Yeah, she wanted to do it. I didn't even realize that she had done that. I mean, she kind of kept talking about it a lot. I swear to God. You and DeAngelo got to meet each other. Yeah, because I was like, I was like totally oblivious to what she had done before.

And I, you know. Yeah. So you missed her album on MCA. So. Yeah. So it was maybe a musical chemistry thing. Wait. Wait, did I miss another classic?

I'm just sorry. Mental telepathy. Skeezer was the wrong record for Jackie McGee. Skeezer. Oh my God. Skeezer. What are they thinking? You know what?

Oh, yeah, right, right, right. I now know I want, all right, you know, like, is my dream for you and Fonte to at least have like a minute review thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I want, this is Sandra, to join this. Because her eye, the level of her eyes, or the shaking of the head and the eyes. Okay. He's all the got to say up.

I see. All right, back to Jackie. Yeah. The connected album. Yeah. So it was, it was just really that, but we didn't have any really bad time of energy or not at all. Not at all.

So we were always cool. Not at all. I mean, it was just, I would just sum it up as like we just said, the natural rapport. and like, it was, I mean, I said, it was just like, this is like, it's like basketball. You play with certain players. It's just a natural more fit. So it was more of that, but there was no. Okay.

Because you know we would say it. We've said everything else. So at this point, so we would say it. Oh, Jackie, she was on some bullshit. No, we love Jackie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got another record I want to ask about. Good fellas, Sugar Honey Ice Tea.

Oh, I love that damn song. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. Oh, yeah. come out with a record like after that? I'm not sure if it was after. It was Lenny Graves. I remember because I was saying, wow, that sounds like Sugar Honey Ice-T.

But was that first? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. What was it? What was it? It ain't over until it's over? It's like Canada, same. Yeah, but Sugar Honey Ice-T was a few years after that.

Yeah, but. So did we steal from him? Did he say from us? Neither one. But then he took him from Earth, one and fire, so. No, we both stole from Al Green. So that's what that's,

That's what that was about, really. It was, it wasn't, it was more like, it was, because there's certain periods in, that I think, I know at least. What year was that? That was, 96, 97, I think. Yeah. It was like,

kind of flash back to, like, there's a certain period where, like, I'm sure this happens to, you know, to Amir is that, you know, lock into a certain artist that you always chuck out, you checked out, like, for a certain period of time, I always grew up in a little bit like Stevie and Hendricks and a whole lot of different people, and the Beatles.

I have to bring it up to that, because a lot of that stuff influences a lot of our stuff too. But there was, and even though I was into him in the 70s, I kind of rediscovered him, and that was Curtis Mayfield. There was a period of time where I was like, oh, and I just heard some stuff like, you know, you know, so there was things in there. There's a song that we did on Tamia called Poetry, which they should have put out as a single. But a poetry that was totally coming from Curtis Mayfield kind of standpoint. Like the beginning of it is, it's like the grass that grows between the cracks of ghetto streets, relentless and spying. There's another Joshua Nile record, right? Right.

That was another Joshua Nile, that motherfucker, that hip-hop kid from Brooklyn. Yeah. How old is Joshua now, now? He's a retirement home. He's about 23. He's 23. He's born in Leapia, February 29. Exactly.

He's about like, wait. I've read several interviews and comments about you working with Curtis and how your experience was I read it and it was very positive. Another fellow

Dallas artist that we mentioned before, El Head Rappo. Elhead Rappo. You as controversial as us. Let me say so. I remember the first of first time, I'm assuming we're talking about

Eric. Yeah, yeah. You remember the first time we saw her? We were in my studio and she came on what is it, with Donnie Simpson. And we were watching there. She came out with all these candles and shit and

Pete said, wow, she looked like her shit don't stink. And now we could buy it for Oh my God. She got for J.J. Inc. Don't she? I think. Wow. As you perform like, her shit don't stink.

I really, because it don't. They're like roses. I like roses. Like a vagina, right? What's that new vagina? It sold out now. As much as we're joking about it, it sold out.

I thought that was a praise. I was looking for it myself. It's real. I was looking for it myself. I was looking for it myself. I told her why didn't you just called Bud-Dussy? Were you now? Jeff said he was looking for something.

Yes, I was looking for that. I was looking for that. You wanted. I got problems. Okay. Okay, so look, the thing was, and this is early in our relationship, so it's like the first year I knew her, and man, she gave me the complete opposite of what it was like to work with Curtis.

Okay, when did she actually work with him? She did, Curtis produce a song for her on Eve's Bayou soundtrack. What is that? Yeah, I know that. 1997, I think this is like, this might be the last nine months of his life. It's shortly before, well, New World Order is quasi-possomith. Well, that's the last album he recorded. Shut up, Steve.

Why are you judging me? I'm just here to monitor shit for white people and report back to him. I said I was going to chat with the word posthum. That's a hard word, though. Postromous. He's a guy that. He's the guy that once the president gets into office, he's the one that writes that binder and puts it on the,

when the president walks into the office and said, okay, this is how shit's really gonna go. That is Steve. You had your policies, but this is how shit really gonna go. That is Steve. That's you? Oh, good, good, good. That's Steve.

Now we know. Anyway, yeah, but I was like, you know, I was like, yo, you're Curtis Mayfield. What was that like? What was it like? what was the light? And he was like, he made me cry in beer.

And take after take after take after take and just beat down on confidence and, you know, he was a fan. He was a fan. What was it like working with him? Was it hard working? Not at all.

Was he a taskmaster? No. Redo the line. She is saying it. No, dude was like, I mean. Hey, we worked with artists like that. No. I mean, but Curtis,

Curtis, the thing was this was the duet. It's a duet on New World Order, right? And called I Believe in You. They basically, they wanted him to have a duet with somebody from old school and somebody from new school. So the old school, he had like Mavis and Aretha.

He did duets with them on the record, or features with them on the record. And so they gave him three choices for the new school. So Curtis chose me out of Erica and Angie the dude I mean I literally did

like two takes you know it was over he was like done and then he was like and after that you know we were close up until almost you know the time he couldn't talk anymore you know he would call me I would call him he would support

me he would like build me up he would you know when I was he would he was like the sweetest motherfucker I mean this guy Curtis didn't believe Even body with him. You know, he just wasn't a fan because the dude was real, man. He was so beautiful.

He was a beautiful cat, man. So I don't know what she's talking about. No, no. I'm glad you restored my favor in him because just a beautiful dude. I don't know what she was going through. What was that? He said Erica was saying, you know, Curtis wasn't. Yeah, but he didn't get me no shade whatsoever.

Jeff just got here. Whatsoever. I love him. I never went. this night to end, man. Okay, let me tell you. What the fuck? And then I'll tell you the Rick James story.

No, wait. Oh, oh. We went for Rick James and Chris. I'm ready. Give me a Rick James. Just give me a random story. Rick James. Oh, no.

It's popcorn time with course. Alphabetical order. No. Bitch got stories. I got stories, yo. Y'all are so family. I started writing a book and I was like, I can't write this book.

Yeah. I'll be spilling too much tea, man. I can't spill it. Yeah, don't drink no wine. I can't drink wine and it's over. Everybody's tea's getting spills. Damn, this should be the Christmas episode. Do y'all drink?

What? Oh, we should have talked back for a holiday episode. We get fucked up and then we just, yes. And then you live in the Netherlands, so I'm hearing enough. I'm hearing of us. That was what I was asking. I was saying, y'all from the Netherlands, so I assumed that we can do what we do here. Oh, honey.

She goes to coffee shops. You must have, you have to do what you. do. Okay. I'm not the greenhouse and the cup cafes. Come on. Come on the bulldog. I don't let me.

I'm scared. She's been to them queen. I'm just into CBD oils now. That's all. That's all. Just oils for my muscles. It's just for my muscles nowadays. I wish Fonte was here.

Okay. Sorry. What was I talking about? Rick James. Now this is a very early career story. This is before the solo. This is when I was singing background with Shaka for years. Oh, I got Shaka Kat.

No. No. We don't do that old. That's my booboo. Don't fuck with you. That's my boobo. I love Shokker. When I was, you know, I used to live a Shokker, you know.

In Germany? No, no, no. In New York, uptown, the west side. So we hangout time and, you know, do we do. And we went to Buffalo to hang out with it. We? You and Shack. Me and Shack.

Oh, my God. I don't think I like for the story going. I'm going to need a lawyer for his. I'm going to be a word for a little bit. Is Rod Jeremy coming to story? Am I going to need a lawyer for this? Ladies and gentlemen, do you know the visual of Eddie Murphy and Boomerang holding the sheet over in his life for gear life? Is that you right now?

Is that too? Yeah. Okay. Well, you can always edit. I know that's right. So what Rick do? Go ahead. You went to Rick's house and it would have happened from it.

So we went to Rick's house. Okay. And we was like getting high, all right? Yes. So we need some music. And then what, so Rick had like a bevy of babes like, you know, scantily clad all over the house. Just standing out. And, you know, and it was really all of.

In Buffalo? In Buffalo. I mean, it was just, who are these bitch? I was young. Who are these bitches? Who are these bitches? I was like, what are they doing here? I was like 19.

I mean, it was ridiculous. And I was just in this house and go, shock was just taking me around and where, you know, I was a girl, right? So I guess Rick was sick of all the other girls trying to get hits from him. So he took me in shock in the bathroom, right? So we were in Rick's bedroom in the bathroom. Here we go. So.

I'm ready. Okay. So this is like street songs throwing down there at Rick. Oh shit, what year is this? 19. All right. So she did that song, Shaka did that song with Rick and. 82 slow dancing

83 That's just Thank you That's the year was 83 Did she go up there To least work On slow dancing

No sir You were trying to help Your studio was up there We went up there Because it was free drugs So Listen to what she said It was far

You know how much Free drugs He had? He was Rick James Damn it He was Rick James bitch You know how much free drugs You have sons

Free drugs Plugs Plenty I saw a text from the tour boats and saw what the cops were bringing stuff over come on. Come on. He was not.

They think on me like Get me started on the song. Okay. They're going to be like, bitch, what was you saying? Come on. Come on,

I just told one story. So I might call her after this. Shock is been on the show. She's been here. She's been here. She might hear about it. I'll call her like to be like, listen, I told her Rick James story.

I'll just give her head. Bitch, what's wrong with you? Why are you telling her name story? I don't know. So Rick brought us in the bathroom, in his bedroom's bathroom, you know, it was beautiful. Big mirror running around. It was black lacquer. Yeah.

Black marble? Yeah. It was black like marble and white tiles. So he had all this stuff laid out on the like counter between the sinks. And it was like, you know, and I was in the middle and started here and Rick's there. And they were like, you know, preparing all the things and, you know, they were down. They would pass it back and forth. Y'all don't need to see her hands right now.

Y'all didn't see what's going on. I'm just, I'm visualizing what was going on. And so, so as they're passing, you know, the thing we're doing. So I said, so Rick,

Rick keeps like, Rick keeps like getting closer and closer, like, from his mouth to, you know, my mouth. He just keeps you closer. And so,

and so I'm like, you know, I take the hit. All right, fine. But then it was like, so, but I'm looking in the mirror and I'm seeing Yvette like

her eyes getting like narrow. So and I'm like, oh, this is getting awkward, right. So to one point she just basically says you know what? This my bitch. Oh my God. I saw

a space. Hold on it. Because I was thinking that but you, she meant oh. And then Get to do that. You know what I. He's like, this is my bitch. He's like, well, she in my house. She's my bitch.

I was like, whoa. Wait a minute. First of all, I ain't nobody's bitch. And the, who we're calling him here? And then to fight, they're going to fight. Jimmy. You know, please tell Jimmy. Jimmy.

I'm sorry, dog. You're not even in the top 10. No one. And he ain't never coming home. I'm sorry, Jimmy. I love you, man. You'll be my top 25. Top 25.

Like, Assange just took your number one song spot right now. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay. Okay, just letting you know. I'm still the number one male. Yes. Hey, we got a song about that too. On our next album.

I gotta go bye. We got a song about that on our next album, too. Can I join the family stand? Yes. Yes, we can. Absolutely. And I thought Johnny Gill gave it up. Jesus Christ.

I started on Johnny Gill. Oh. We can't burn. Like, look. We are real. Steve, save us. I am only here to monitor shit for white people. It was a fourth part to them.

That's it. That's your job, right? That's it, Steve. Thanks, Steve. Brilliant. Literally, that's all the... Okay. Okay, well, let's bring some white people

into the story. Oh, like white people. We like white people. Okay. Daryl Hall. Oh, boom, boom, there you go. Daryl Hall. Yeah.

This is great. This is going to be a boring story because it's a nice story. Thank you. We've got to balance it. Yeah, we got to have some balance. I mean, you know, to grow up and here, somebody, you know,

used to hear when you're in high school and stuff and they work with him. I mean, you realize he was just an excellent, great songwriter a special voice. You know, the thing about singing, you know, the main thing that makes any artists or a singer great is just their tone, a special tone. There might be people who can sing around this person or that person, but they have that special

quality. Yeah, yeah. And he had a very special quality to his voice. Like, that's Darrell Hall, just a great song. It was really kind of boring and nice. No cocaine bed, three sims or, you know, that was like a clean shower. I loved I'm in a Philly mood. Oh, yeah, good songs. In fact, it's like, it's one of the songs that randomly pops in my head just like, you know, I might be just walking down the street and I'll just hear, oh, you know, in my head.

Like, they, I'm a Philadelphia and they played that a lot. They ever placed the Philadelphia get to know us. I was about to say the double Dutch bus. Don't even. No, the Paddy LaBelle's theme. Like, Philly Moot was like our. They tried to make that. the anthem of Philly.

Yeah. There is a question I have. All right, because, of course, I cheated. And, well, I know about the song that you did for Ronnie Drayton's son. Oh, yeah, story. And being as though Ronnie just recently passed away, do you have any

like I know that when he passed away like a lot of the music New York music community felt that deep in the soul was like did you guys work with him at all or like have any

relationship with 24 7 spies or any of those no he was on he was our guitar player that I didn't know he played the whole bono record yeah he did the solo he did the solo on an education of Jamie

yeah yeah that's him so he I mean this describe what because the thing I've heard so many in passing I met he's coming to the show a few times to visit whatever and it's always like hey what's up how you doing but I never really got to know him as a person or that sort of thing and I know that was a hurt piece for New York City. Because I knew Ronnie Drayton from back in the day when you know Mick Murphy and a friend Lala you know Lala. Caras Coat. She was a writer.

Lala that worked with full force as well, right? No, no, not that. She wrote you good. Yeah, she wrote you good. Yeah, she wrote you good. Yeah, that Lala. Yeah, she worked with full force as well. Yeah, we all came up together.

So me and Rani, we knew each other from back then. Mike Murphy with the system, we all, Mike Murphy got me my first electric guitar. You know, yeah, he got me the one, the white one that I took on our first store. Let me say. Wait, can I ask a question? All right.

Have you worked with the system at all, Mike Murphy? A little bit. Yeah. I know I'm going to get a no, but I have to ask this question. That's not your saxophone on Soul Glue, is it? On what? Coming to America. No, no, no.

Okay. I don't think so. No, because that's the system. You know something? I did so many sax solo. Oh, that's not. Yes. That's, no, no.

I don't even remember. It might be. I don't know. Mike Murphy. He's the same singing? Yes. I didn't know that. Yes, that's him singing.

So, some good publishing checks for you not to know that. You know, I just one quick thing about Mike Murphy. Mike Murphy is, I just wanted to say this. And we worked a little bit, but he's one of the two most underrated singers.

To me, Mike Murphy sings his ass off. And, you know, he's a friend, you know. But he's so dope. I mean, he's his singer. He's just a great, great. Bernard Fowler too. They all came up, all them guys, you know, in the same crew. Because they're part of that whole Jamaica funk.

Speaking of Ronnie Drayton, Bernard sang at the funeral. He sang at the funeral. He sang at the funeral. You know Bernard Fowler? He sings background with the Rolling Stones. Yes, yes. Okay. Yeah, he sang at Ronnie's service, as did I and Jeff played.

Matter of fact, what's your name just passed too? Tony. Tony Smith. Yeah, two funerals. who's day after, went to one friend and went away, next to the, next, it was like, Jamaica Queens. Well, besides singing and Funkin for Jamaica, like,

what else did she? Um, she, she did a solo record that, you know, didn't do that great because it, you know, people, you know, if you heard Funn for Jamaica, and the next I really thought that was Shaka. Everybody was eight years old when it came out. Everybody did. Yeah, we did. Okay.

Shocker was like, is that me? Is that me? I mean, seriously, she was like, because she forgot she did. So she was like, Wait, my funny Shaka story was when she was on the show And I was trying to ask her about Penny Ford

Singing her atlives and snaps the power And she tells me the story that It was Shaka that was actually supposed to sing The power and she was just like Let me try to do it I can't did they take my gig for me Yeah Oh yeah

That's words That's uh She taught us about her squad because Basta was in there. It was like a few people that was in her squad just in case she didn't feel like doing some records. You know, do you know the true story behind, since you already brought up a name, do you know the true story behind?

Congratulations. Did we ever reveal this? What do you mean? Do you know the story behind it? I don't know what you mean. Do you know that song's dedicated to? Allegedly. Nah.

Wait, give it. Ooh, give it. Wait, don't they verify it when they came on the show? Oh, I feel like we had this conversation. We've had too many conversations on the show. Didn't they verify it? I don't remember. Wait, who is?

If you say it, I know, I could do it. Who is it? You ready? Yeah. Bruce Willis. We never talked about that. Why? No, no, no, no, no, no.

Bruce Lewis. It was about the marriage. They were congratulating. She was congratulating. No, but let's see the other women. So, here's the, wait a minute, Bruce Willis. You see what I'm saying? Here's the situation.

Come on. I hope she make you happy. Listen, listen, I'm going to make it make sense. I'm going to make it make sense in two minutes. I'm going to make it make sense. All right, all right, I dare you. Okay. Now, here's the deal.

Donald Johnson and Bruce Willis, rolling tight in Hollywood, and they had a specific preference of the type of women that they like to get with of the darker hue. Now, if you remember, in that the return of Bruno was the name of his first album. His Motown record, yeah.

Yeah, his moatown record. And the first single The first single was A duet Respect yourself with the Pointer Sisters If you remember him in June Saying a duet together Now Anita

Well not Anita Bonnie kind of revealed this on the Pointer Sisters episode Oh that's right That That The reason how that duet came to be Is because they was in mess with each other And

Like Vesta was rolling tight with the Port-in-Sisters kind of as their background singer slash friend or whatever. And so kind of, it's like a double-date situation, like Don Johnson, Bruce Willis,

and Vesta got with Bruce. I think Vesta was Bruce was first messing with Bruce? That's the most gossiping we've ever done to win this show at the same damn time. No, that George Johnson interview is pretty gossipy. Oh, you be listening. You better listen, son.

Oh, she better. That's one of my favorite episodes, too. Listen. And so, long story short, like, you know, they had a thing going. Maybe he was on the low or whatever. Right? It was on the low. And then, you know, Vesta.

Vesta and Bruce Willis. And, yeah, it's well-known. I hope she makes you happy because you need to do it. I'm trying to sacrifice it. It's kind of well-known in circles that congratulate. the song is about Bruce. I want to have Demi know that. She can't sing.

Who? I doubt Demi even care at this point. Who? She's like, I was married to who? I don't know. Oh, right, right, right. I remember her. Who's that guy?

Wait, did I just kill the show? No, no, no, no. That was an interesting rabbit hole, but somebody wanted to know, and I don't know. I'm sorry. Well, wait, you mentioned Vest's name, and I had to get that out. I felt like I had to add something to the teapot.

You ain't topping Sondra, but that was a nice try. I was taking and not giving, so. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

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and Dad, I think I want to really give this a shot. I don't know what that means, but I just know the groundlings. I'm working my way up through, and I know it's a place they come. Look for up and coming. talent. He said, if it was based solely on talent, I wouldn't worry about you, which is really sweet. Yeah. He goes, but there's so much luck involved. And he's like, just give it a shot. He goes, but if you ever reach a point where you're banging your head against the wall and it doesn't feel fun anymore, it's okay to quit. If you saw it written down, it would not be an inspiration.

It would not be on a calendar of, you know, the cat, just hang in there. Yeah. It would not be Right, it wouldn't be that. There's a lot in luck. Listen to Thanks, Dad, on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, Kent Nix, right? Yeah, yeah. Did the Tana Gardner. I played on all that stuff because those guys were my boys.

So, you know. Really? Where was that studio recorded at? Oh, my God. Where was that studio? I can't even remember. Because we did a funky sensation there, which is to me is one of the funkiest songs. ever.

Your on funky sensation? Yeah. All that stuff. What are you playing on that? Playing horn. Okay. I actually did a solo on there that they didn't use, but I played in the horn section because me, Raymond Reed, Tyrone Cox, and my cousin L.A. Blacksmith, we were part

of the horn section, and we used to do horn, you know, horns for them all the time. Who's the rhythm section of that? And this is the same people that did heartbeat as well? or at least no frills and he was using a bunch of different people at the time I can't remember me exactly the whole rhythm section but I played guitar and some of that stuff too because you know they were using

they were kind of utilizing me to play a lot of instruments because you can yeah my friend Bert Reed and Raymond Reed who were in Crown Heights Affair yes yeah those of my guys you know And I was, I just remember going in the studio with them. I was playing drums, guitar, bass, keyboard.

We're doing a cover of Far Out, by the way, on our next album. Yeah, yeah. Far Out is one of my favorite songs of all time. Yeah, yeah. I remember that video you posted on Instagram like five years ago of the little clip, and then we haven't heard a bit of it that since. Hey, man, because the hits keep on coming. This has been taken forever for you ought to finish that damn album.

No, it's just, you know, better songs. Hurry up. That's a good answer to me, right? Actually, here's another tidbit. Did you know Ajax, the trumpet player that played in Crown Heights? I don't know of him. Well, you know, he was the trumpet play. He's the one that actually got me, introduced me to Keith Diamond

and got me on the Billy Ocean record because we came up together and Billy was hanging with him and he said he needed, he was looking for a sax player to play on the new Billy Ocean record because he was like working for Jive Records. and Ajax said, oh, I know this guy I play with, and we grew up together, Jeff, he's a bad dude. And that's how I got that gig. Just real quick, since you mentioned Billy Ocean.

Have you ever run into Danny DeVito? No. Oh, the video! I asked because Jeff also played the solo on Joey Oceans when the going gets tough. And in the video, Danny DeVito does a sax solo. Yeah, I did the sax solo on. All the songs that was a hit that I did the sax solo on all of those.

When the going gets tough, what was the other one? Get out of my dreams. Which Pete loved, was Pete's favorite bill. Get in the backseat, baby. It was. I know Pete hated that song. Who me? Yeah, Pete said that's the stupidest song.

Get out of my bar. Who me? That's you. Hey, you. Oh, yeah, that was, you know, in retrospect, but it hit. It was a hit. I mean, let's talk about some more songs that you've been on that people know. and probably didn't know that you were there.

Like Debbie Gibson's only in my dream. Yeah, yeah. Foolish Beat. Yeah. Foolish beat. Did I only do this confession that I wish that I was Debbie Gibson's over? What? No.

Her drummer? Really? I'm so, wait, yo, Sondra just hit me with the Nick I will disown you. You ain't like that song? That was the joke. Yo, Sondon, she was asleep for the last 25 minutes. She woke up. Like, what did you say?

Like he said Tiffany. Look, I was 14 at the time And she was 15 at the time I was like, oh, someone my age making music And she was producing her own stuff allegedly Yeah, shout out to Debbie Gibson Did you know Arthur Baker? Yes, I did

That's how I met Because live in color of my guys too Vernon Reed Runner used to come to my house every day to do demos Because he lived down the street Fory's solo record too On the face. You guys did Corey's solo record on the face too Yeah, we produced Corey's record

So you honorary Black Rock Oh yeah We are Black Rock Coalition people Okay can you explain to me What I knew the myth of it I saw the logo everywhere Like was it meetings every Tuesday Was it donuts and ice cream?

We never went to anything We never went to the meetings I met many musicians affiliates like yeah I'm a BRC member And yeah I went to a few of the early meetings But It's like Greg, that was Greg Tate, Vernon Reed, and Condamason.

They started it. They started it. But, you know, I mean, the whole, because Black Rock is such a small microcosm of, you know, yeah, so all these bands, we work and support each other, you know, and back certainly in the 90s when it was really thick, right? You know what I mean? When you say support each other, that, to me, sounds like a nightmare of a guest list. You just have 50, 60 people on a guest list

I know, like, and club owners weren't having that in New York. Yeah, so we tell people now, there's no guest list, don't even think about it. Oh, wow. So it's like, you know, because otherwise, everybody, you know, everybody's family. So you can't have, you know, all your extended family at, you know, filling up the being the bodies in the paying seats. Yeah, we're trying to sell out. So was it just an idea of myth that, or folklore that 14,

your old me you ran away with like one day I'm gonna get in the BIRC no because I mean well it's basically you just sending an email and saying you and sending your music and saying this and if it was actually black rock you could have just been a official official paying you know doos oh you had to pay dues to get inside it right but then but but then but then and a any or for nanny but kind of got in it. Right. But like you did then benefit from being abused at Black Rock Coalition logo and get the Black Rock Coalition support behind your gigs.

And it was a thing. It was a real thing. It was a real thing. Black Rock Coalition is producing our, you know, shows that we're doing, you know, coming up. So, I mean, it is a very real thing today. Oh, no doubt. Oh, absolutely. I got to admit, like, when I first heard of it and it was like, oh, you got to send your dues in

and all that stuff, I thought it was like the. Oval teen, orphan Annie, the Cota Ring thing. Yo, the thing, the cool, they produced some cool shit. I mean, this did this,

we were part of, it was called the history of our future. And it was at the Met. At the Met in September. It was crazy. It was packed, you know what I mean. It's like,

so. An hour version of, it was a couple hours from like, you know, from, was maggot brain covered? They didn't even get to that. No,

it was, I don't know how he was going to try to do all this in 100 and what was it supposed to be an hour and 40 minutes. Shit, we almost didn't get to play. Yo, Toshi M. M.M.A. She was our hero that night. It went from like Ma Rainey. Well, actually it started with a drum circle

and then like slaves, early slaves. I mean, it went all the way through. Y'all went through the history of music. History, yeah. Yeah. From Africa. From the drums to Ma Rainey to trap music. We didn't quite make it a trap

We actually stopped the family stand and live in color That was in the show And that's the future That was the future Is Corey still climbing the walls We did a show with him once And Climb the scaffold

She's duck Duck when you're on stage with him He's awesome, yeah Duck when you're on stage I don't know if he's still climbing scaffolding Okay But he's singing his job on our next album With Soundra

When can we expect that next album? It'll be out by the summer. I'm pretty sure. Well, let me not say that. Let me say end of this year. You'll sound like the roots. Yeah, I'll see it. 20 years later.

Chinese democracy, part two. Part two. No, you mean the follow-up, the voodoo part two. I got a strange phone call the other night. I followed the voodoo part two. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Why? Because someone's listening to this podcast. It's just going to take. No, for another 4-down. You're going to do another voodoo album? Don't get us excited. Don't get people excited. Move.

I've got to be some of the clumsiest motherfuck. I don't want this night to ever end. Yeah. Just get. I didn't even, we didn't even really scratch the surface. We didn't even dip the tip. We didn't even get to talk about. Wait, wait, what you're talking about over there?

Yes, all right. We'll just go one at a time and then we got to wrap this episode up. Or it'll never. This is officially a double episode. No doubt. You have a specific question? Well, I was going to say, Peter. Any last words?

For this episode, not. Yeah, not in the life. This has been a really pleasure and enjoy to sit down and talk with you guys. And we are doing a new album. And it started out with that gig, the BRC last September at the MADC last September, at the Met and ended up like

oh well maybe we should do a couple of songs and maybe we'll just do an EP and now it's turned into songs in the key of Life times four and now it's the key in the afterlife you know

so but we're working on it now and it's just cool and special stuff but it really was out of more of active love than necessarily you know we're putting the band back together

and we're going to be show these young boys that it'd be funky you know so I see no wheelchairs or tennis I see none of that in your future. You guys seem just as healthier than me right now.

And you fly as fuck. I said that when I walked in, I was like, are y'all going to wear a shoot or photo shoot or something? We've seen y'all. That's good enough. The hat, I mean, everybody got something going on. It's special. I just wanted to say that.

Thank you. V. Jeffers. Like Pete said, we really appreciate the love. And this is our first interview since we kind of got back. as far as I'm concerned, it's the best interview. As far as I can remember that we've done. And I just love it.

I'm just having that. I had a ball tonight. I don't want it. I don't really want it to end, but, you know. Me neither. We ain't got no liquor, though. You're all getting a hot.

Oh, we gotta go. Oh, well, it was nice being here. So I'm just saying. You really appreciate this. I mean, listen, I mean, they kind of covered territory. He talked about the album. He talked about the vibe and what we're doing and where we come from.

And it's been a blast mixing it up with y'all. Y'all are a regular riot, man. So it's like, you know, to be able to usually get folks to just ask you just questions about. So what is God of Heaven? What is God of Heaven? What does that mean? And that's pretty much the crux of the interview. This is like just a deep dive into all sorts of the cracks.

We are music deweeps. We are music deweeps. This is amazing. It's our commercial bill right here. So are we. You know what I mean? We're like total music head. So, I mean, the music business and, you know,

and so you mix the experiences with the nerdism. This is what we got right now. This is a beautiful thing, man. We appreciate you. We thank you. Wait, I can't let go. Can you just give us one more story? I thought we was going back to the piano.

About who? About who? Well, you know she. Pick somebody. We had to roll one time and we were, I said we were out with chili peppers. The chili peppers. I got it. I got it.

I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I want you three to collectively decide. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. All right.

I'm going to start with the bright spot. Okay. What artist can you collectively agree was? a joy to experience working with, either riding with them or... That's easy. That's easy for me. Oh, you mean, together?

Or, I mean... Okay, we'll do three. Give us you three, but one each. Well, you said Stevie, son. All you all of y'all said Stevie. Yeah, I mean, yeah. But, no, okay, yes, with family stands, Stevie, for sure, because I got to give him a note

and he took it, which is like, I told Stephen he wanted something to do and he did it. It's so amazing. He asked me to do something over and I said, you said, is that all right?

Right? It's like, he was so humble and beautiful. No, do it again. And it was dope too. I was like, you know. I was tongue-tile like, it's the one that I loved,

you know what I'm saying? As a kid that I thought. Literally. What here was this? Fricing 91 or 91. Oh, man. We were working on Paul Abduz.

Yeah, he did the solo on Where You Marry Me. Right. So, I mean, it's just... Speaking of Rick James, there's a hilarious story. Do you know about... Someone did an interview. Either it's Roy Ayers or Steve Farone

where Mr. Policeman, the last song that ends Side On the Street songs, how Rick was just abusive to Stevie. Like, motherfucker, play that shit like I'm, no, no, no, no, no. Like, Rick James? Yeah.

It's in Wax Poetics, that much I know. Wow. Because I never paid attention to a policeman. Fucked up. But someone has that a hilarious. I think Roy Ayers tells the story. He was serious to? Roy Ayers came in to do his solo at the end of Fire and Desire and tells the story of coming in at the tail end of the studio

while Stevie was trying to nail his harmonica solo for Mr. Policeman. And how Rick was just berating him like, horrible, do it again. And, like, Roy was wondering, like, wait, is he going to be this way to me too with my solo? Like, that sort of thing. Glad to hear that. I'm like, you know the song you're on of Mind Dizzy?

Yes. That's like so many people's favorite freaking song of mine. Oh, yeah. Seriously. Yeah. Seriously. Take this. Take that.

Take that. Take that. Take that. Take that. You take that. You take that. Electric lady? Electric lady.

Yeah, yeah. Yep. With Mark Batson on Keys and Royers, Donald Bird and. We record our connected. Thank you for putting. I mean, at the time, wasn't it, the track was more bare. I didn't realize that Bird. Yeah, Bird and, and Roy.

Yeah. But I will tell you one more for a funny story. This is my last funny story. Okay. For this evening. Okay. You can tell by your voice. Yeah.

This is my end of the evening voice. So when I was on tour at Roy, we went to Africa, and we had to, you know, this is early, this is before Shaka, so we're talking early 80s. Gosh, I'm aging myself. But so we, you know, I have those little portable cameras that you, you know, that you can, you take the whole camera and you turn it in

and give you pictures. So we've been at the beach all day, and so we came back to the hotel and I got my room and I don't rest off got my robe. hold on. I'm like, okay, who's coming to my this hour? And I open the door and it's Roy.

He said, you still got your camera? I'm like, yeah? He said, go get you, get your camera. Get your camera. Okay. So I'm going to get my camera. Give it to him. Roy opens his trunks,

snaps a picture of his thing, hands it back to me, and runs down. Ha! That sounds just like him. That's the story I wanted in the beginning. Lord of mercy. Ladies and gentlemen, Roy Ayers is a member. The poo-poo-poo-n-na.

All right. All right. Poo-poo-lala. Oh, I hated singing that song. Did you watch the show? I hate it singing that song, man. Oh, you just brought that out randomly? Yeah, because Roy Ayers, he has a poo-poo-lala song.

He tells the story. We're sitting on the grass. And we had to walk the whole. Does it sound familiar to you? Does it sound familiar to you? Yeah. Does it sound familiar to you? Yeah.

Oh. No, we literally... All right, we have a segment on the Tonight Show where we talk about songs that are funny, like, do not play. We made fun of Poo-Poo Lala this week. Oh, really? Oh, my God. It's rare that we make fun of an established artist with the song.

But, yeah, we had a ball. Has it aired yet? Yes, it air less. And half of the internet's like, why all shit don't poo-poo-lala? Because that song is. I was like, it's poo-poo-lala. I love that song. I love that song. I love that song.

All right, now, wait, the antidote. Yes. And you don't have to give the story. Who would you not like to work with ever again? Damn, now I got to end on something more positive. I can't end it. Why are you looking at it? I don't know.

Who is a difficult person to what job was hard to Pete can answer that was it Desiree? No she was good She was good Like I know what you're doing She was good

Pete thought I was well It was nothing like that Oh well Oh well I just thought of somebody But anyway I know I know who

I was about that we're going to say I know who I know who you're talking about Oh, are we in, okay. I know you're talking about. But I refuse to put it on tape. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what song, okay. Oh, I wasn't thinking of her.

Oh, my God. I forgot about her. Okay, I won't say artist, but what, what song or project was hard to complete? See, but then again, I don't know. Because the artist was difficult? I'm not giving reasons. I'm just saying that, you know, I'm just trying to enter through the back door

to not make it sound like you're shitting on a particular artist. You know some? What song took a while to... Who's the biggest douchebag ever, man? One that comes to mind to me, but she was a really, really nice person. But I remember me and Peter, because she was so meticulous about her vocals,

about what she wanted, It's like every ass, everything she wanted punched. You know what I'm talking about? Taylor? No. Not Taylor Day? No, Taylor was good. Taylor did.

China Phillips. Oh, well, that wasn't difficult. I mean, that was difficult, be. I don't remember. I remember because she wanted, I remember her doing vocals and wanted every little note so perfect that. Yeah, I don't remember that. I remember that.

The one name that came up, and really it was one of the first projects we did together, and I would take responsibility to say it was more me than her, was Mickey Howard. But that's because at the time, come share my world era or... This was after her first record. Yeah, so this was before come share of her record. It was only because I, like, you know, you know, working for singers, you have to, some of them, you have to give them those sometimes. Some of them are just, they really a vibe.

They just got to let them sing all the way down, and that's tell them too much. Whitney was like. Yeah, so with Mickey, I think it was more of me just trying to kind of pinpoint it too much for her. She was this type of singer that just let her go. You coached Whitney vocals? No, Whitney, Mickey.

No, oh, you said Whitney was like that. Yeah, because I work with Kashif. Yeah, because I work with Kashif. Yeah. Oh, think about you, you're on the first record. Well, you get good love. No, I wasn't on that record, but I was in the studio. It's not a fact.

I was in the studio when Lala played her the song. Oh, okay. You know, so, but I knew she was the type of singer that you had to let her sing things down. I mean, she could punch things in, but it was better if you let her sing multiple tapes. And then you take what you want. Yeah, exactly. She was just that kind of singer. If you kind of broke it up, she kind of broke the momentum of her feeling.

And you can get in your head and, okay. I only ask because, like, yeah, vocals are a nightmare for me. And I hate. What do you mean doing vocals? Producing vocals? I think maybe I'm just trying to learn to not be as standoffish or whatever. So I always have what I call a bad cop to. You don't want to say things that you.

Yeah, me and Pete played that. Me and Pete used to do that. And you know I work with. So it's just like I always have a bad cop. bad cop on standby for vocals. I'm creating the music, creating the song, creating the music, engineering. Dude, I'll be your bad cop

anytime. Trust. And that's how we're going to end. Questlove Supreme, ladies and gentlemen. Yo, I love it. You guys, thank you so much. Thank you. This was an amazing night. Oh, yeah, I love it. Thank you.

On behalf of Team Supreme, Steve, you're still with us? Yeah, I have a question. And let's stop the episode. Show over. You really live at Neverland? He said, you are ass-alland. Show's over, ladies and gentlemen. It's so serious.

It's good. All right, we out. We are out. Oh, my, damn. You have a Sugar Steve, Livia, and Boss Bill, Foncigolo, and, can they replace Fonigolo and Bill? Yes, totally. Let's all just, yeah, we, I'm going to join.

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