The Questlove Show - Wallo267 Part 1

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

Wallo267 visited The Questlove Show to discuss his latest book, *Yes to You, No to Them*. Instead, he ended up disrupting Ahmir’s day—in the best possible way—with an experiential pep talk that captures why so many people need this book. The acclaimed Million Dollaz Worth of Game co-host, motivator, and music lover looks back on his journey—one that began just across town from Questlove’s—and how misinformation led him into life-changing circumstances. The two men compare notes on life and discuss how, after a quarter century behind bars, Wallo has spent the past decade embracing freedom to the fullest while cultivating possibility and hard-earned wisdom. Along the way, Wallo explains his profound appreciation for Anthony Bourdain, challenges Hollywood’s misconceptions about prison, and much more. The result is a vulnerable and deeply powerful episode of QLS—and only the first half of their full conversation.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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thoroughest young fools in the game. All right, I'm sorry. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. You see what happens when I show enthusiasm. Now, welcome to the Questlove show. Longtime devotees of the show know that normally I've reserved, you know, this, this, this, this platform, the space for musicians, actors, whatnot. Of course, you know, our guest today is just a leading voice in the podcast.

has an influence space. He walks it like he talks it. He's, you know, really about the action in terms of like reform and rewiring our brains and just the seed planning of for those that think. I mean, that's the commonality in all of us. Like, do we ever think that we're deserving of that light and that chance? And that's a commonality that, you know, even though it might seem like we come from two different backgrounds, like having wretched books like, it's literally the

the same path, there's just small choices. Yep. Let us to a place where, you know, both of us have this rebirth. But of course, you know him as co-hosts of one of the craziest podcast ever, a million dollars worth of game that he hosts with his cousin, Gilly the Kid. But you also know him for his, like, impactful videos. And does this, does everyone always introduce you in some sort of Hall of Fame level? No, not really.

I don't think it'd be this hype. You know, anything would be hype. I mean, no, I just, I think, especially with men, like, I'm a guy that this podcast knows my relationship with compliments. Like, I will start ducking and dodging. I think anybody can do that. Yeah. So just allow myself to either fill it or speak it is sometimes hard to do because I'm trying to reprogram myself and better myself in my journey. But the title of your latest book, which is yes to you and no to.

them literally could not come at a more timely period in my life because I'm literally I mean it's one thing to acclimate yourself with the word no but it's a lot to stand on business about it and I'm one of those people that want to be like super likable I don't want to shine my light and you know often find myself like dimming myself just so I can fit in so I'm not too much of a threat. Yeah. And a big part of that is learning to advocate for yourself and say no. And I'd rather be self-sacrifice.

And so this book came at, I was like, damn, I actually need this now. Haven't read your books and followed your podcast. My first question is, okay, only you truly know, and I think you might know the answer. You know the genesis of your rebirth. Like, I think everyone comes to a point in their life where, unfortunately, for some people, they have to hit, like, real rock bottom. Even the way that you put it, the universe still show mercy on you because he could have really showed you some real never coming back rock bottom. And you got, like, that's how I look at the pandemic. Yeah.

Like, it's not normal to live through a plague that we lived in the time. when 1.7 million people died, but somehow, like, for me, that period was my period of waking up and realizing I had a mission. But do you specifically have a date in which you knew you had a calling, a real calling? I don't really know the date. I was in a cell.

I was in prison, you know what I mean? It was hot as shit that day. And the walls were sweating, and I ain't go to the yard. And I'm just laying on the top bunk and I'm looking at the ceiling. I'm hot as shit. The only reason I was laying there because I would go back and forth for the same case cold water and get late. And I had this towel that I would lay on my chest because it was hot as shit in there.

Like it wasn't, you know, and I was outside. There's no, no, no, air conditioning, no. No, no, I'm just, wait. All right, I'm going to tell you something. That's crazy like they ain't got no AC. Listen, I'm a lot of prisons they do. Let me say a lot of prisons, they do got central air. Thank you.

So a lot of them they do, but I was in the old one before Centiware. I'm just going to, okay. I'm going to just say it right now. So this can also be a teaching moment. You know, I had a fear of having this conversation. No, no. I was afraid I was going to ask you a question. You're never going to ask the wrong question.

That I should have known and I have a lot of questions. No, ask all. Listen, it's not your job to know about San Francisco if you never lived here. Simple. It's simple. You're not going to know, Dan. Where's the coffee? Where's this at?

You just not going to know. So it's cool. See, now you. you know how much need of this book was. And my whole thing was like, oh, man, I'm going to ask the wrong shit. No, you're never going to ask the wrong shit. It's going to be viral. And then, fuck all that.

I'm going to tell you like this, I'm sitting in a cell. Coming from where I come from, you know, Philly, you know me. The only thing that's different between me and you, like you said, small decisions that we made, choices we made. Right. It might be that day that you decided to go to school when I didn't. It might be that day that you decided to stay out when you were supposed to go home. I never questioned even when people are in my way. And there's like 12 seconds of like, oh, excuse me.

Yeah, yeah. That 12 seconds just saved my life. It can change your life. Yeah. So you know. And if it goes back to bringing down the understanding of why I did some of the things that I did in order to get to prison. Young growing up, Philadelphia, wanting to be down. First got locked up at 11, June 30 of 1990 for robbery.

You know what I got locked up again? June 3rd of 1990? June 30 of 1990. The first time I got arrested. 11 years old for a couple days. Okay. Birthday, June 21st. So why didn't get arrested before?

But before even there, establishing my outlook, I was establishing my outlook based off of me sitting on the steps, 13th and Allegheny around there, seeing the drug dealer come pull up, nice car, Mercedes-Benz, gold rims, coming to get the most beautifuls girl in the neighborhood. At that moment, I was educated that America respects successful criminal,

so I needed to be one. Wherever it's Godfather, wherever it's Scarface, wherever it's sopranos. They get clas together. But even before that, understanding that when the guy come to pick up

the most beautifulest girl in the neighborhood and they got the jury on, the older ladies on the steps, Ms. Brown, Ms. Jackson, Ms. Johnson, they said, hey, baby, they spoke to him, but they never spoke to the janitor coming home from work.

How are they at work. So I said, damn, he's the only person that gets respect so I needed to try to be that. So that's when the criminal element took place. And I said I had to be a successful criminal in America. So that was your come to Jesus moment. Like this is an obtainable goal.

Like this is what I. It got to be that because it's like they're the only people that get respected. And then when you go in the house, the only movies is getting watched. The Godfather is a historical movie. If you go to a federal prosecutor or if you go to a federal judge, you go to a lawmaker asking which his favorite movie is. Crime is a real important business in America. You know what I'm saying?

But it's oxymoronic how tough on crime, but at the same time we idolize the people that never get arrested or the ideas of them through movies. So it's like, whoa, I got to be that. I'm like, oh, that's the, I got to be neat. You know what I mean? So you're thinking. So I get into crime and I start believing

that this is okay based off of what I'm seeing in the society, what I'm seeing in the community, and who get respected and who don't. So it's a deeper thing to be able to, for me to establish the mindset that I got to truly. try to steal an American dream. Why would I work for it? They don't respect the workers.

And that came into your mind at 11? No, I didn't come into my mind. I didn't understand that that's what I was seeing. So subconsciously. And so I'm sitting in prison because I got to think back. Like, yo, when was I? Then I started to be like, oh, damn, this cool. Because them to dudes, that was a superhero.

The drug dealer or the criminal that was making money that came around. How he got a pocket full of money in a dude that work? A day don't. He's standing on the corner. He gets to do what he wants. He only had to work. So you think about the late on, like, damn, that's what I was seeing. I didn't understand that.

Then. All right, you just said something that's now full circle with me. At the very top, you said it could have been a time period in which, like, you were out and I was in or a time when I was out and you were in. And I'm realizing that, like, oh, okay, the commonality there is that. Now I know that as young people, we come chipped and equipped with an impressionable gene. you know, we might get 10 of them as a kid, and at least four of them are squandered on, like, watching Super Friends or, like, who you want to be?

And when you said that, so my version of that story was I was five years old watching Stephen Farron, a British drummer from Brighton, ironically in the lone black guy in a band called the average white band. and the novelty of funky white boys playing on Soul Train live was like a big deal in my house. So already the average white man is coming on Soul Train.

And all of them are like watching to see if it's true that white boys do have rhythms. So I remember the moment I'm four. And I was just transfixed on the drummer. And then that was my moment of like, yeah, that's what I want to do with my life. But I also acknowledge that that was a sick day. I was sick and in bed. I could have been with any of my cousins or my next-door neighbors

or is this time and circumstance of that. So you're saying you're laying in your cell and you're reflecting on when's the first moment that you had. No, I wasn't really reflecting on the first moment. I was reflecting on this shit is old. Because I spent, you got to stand. I spent majority of my time on this planet inside of a cell. majority of my time.

I did five years in the juvenile system and I wound up doing 20 years and certified as a adult in prison. That's 25 and 47. So I'm just so used to being incarcerated to the point to where it's like, it's normalized. Like, I'm not, I'm tired with the fact of that I normalize it so much

that I don't even feel incarceration. It's just normal. Right? So because early in my prison bit, I've seen some things I seen some dude get stabbed in the yard. And I never forget that when I came in, I was shaking. And my cellmate at the time, brother Umore, he was an older dude doing life.

He was like, and it was so, no, he sat on the bed. He was like, I heard what happened in the yard. I'm like, I'm just sitting here like, because usually you come in the cell and you sit on the toilet. When I see it, it like be a carbo, you put a car, but that's like a chair. So you're sitting there. And I'm just like, damn, I'm like, wow. Because I hit the penitentiary. When I hit the penitentiary, this was like 90, what was this?

I just turned 18 and they put me on population. So probably 97, 98, something like that. You got prison and you got penitentiary. Penitentiary usually when they're talking about that. They're talking about an old facility that been there for a long time, old building, old structure, wall, gate. It's just old, it's not new. And then a state correctional institution,

that's like the new jails with the AC and all that. So I'm in the penitentiary, which is the old jail. So I'm sitting there and I'm like I'm just like I can't believe this dude was stabbing him to his arm got sorry And his blood was jumping anywhere So I was like I never forget I stood near the gate

Waiting for the yard to be over Because I'm like I'm trying to run in there I'm trying to get up in here I got it You know because you realize Like damn You're trying to get in the yard No I'm trying to get it

I'm trying to go back to the cell block Okay okay No I'm just standing I'm standing there like yo I can't wait till the yard is over No I'm with you But then when you said that I was like wait a minute

I would be running to myself Okay I get it we're still on the same level Sorry about that. I can't go there because the gate closed. You got to wait. So I'm sitting there and as I'm looking at it watching, I'm like, whoa, I'm just like, damn. And the guards are taking their time because they don't want to get close up on the dude.

So they're like, stop. They just try and tell him to stop. But he's like, get out of here. And once they finally walk up, once he stopped, he just basically got tired. They said, back out, they kicked a knife, shank and then, you know, cuffing. And then as they cuffed him, I never forget. So I'm learning stuff. It was some of his homies over there.

Like, you ain't posed a cuff him in. yard. I seen them holling at the guards. Some of the do homeboys have stabbed because they're not supposed to cuff you walk in the yard because somebody can attack you when they got you cuffed. Okay. So they really pose to walk you out. So just in case something happened, you could just like hold your arms or something, whatever. So I don't know why he's saying I'm just like, because this is like my first week in the penitenti. So I'm like, wait, this is your first week. This is my first week in that prison. Shit, God damn. I got transferred. So I'm like, and this scene before I seen some of my homeboys there. So I'm just like, damn, this shit real. Right? Because I'm

like this. Me going to prison, I never was the one that took on the tough guy mentality and to try to deny my feelings or fight my feelings or my emotions that I'm a human and this shit is scary. I never was a dude to come out of prison to say that. Like, oh, I wasn't scared. No, that's bullshit. So when I go back to the cell and I'm sitting in the taller, Umar looking at me, he's like, I never get, he was like eating the orange pill and he's like, he's like, yeah, you're looking at it wrong. I'm just like, I'm like, what the fuck? I just seen somebody get stabbed. I'm not looking at that wrong, right? So he took him. He's like, he tell me you can't be looking at it with your regular mind.

This is a journey you're already going. You got to go insane in order to stay sane. So you got to look at this with an insane mind. So I'm like, I'm just listening to him. He's just talking to me basically like, you got to normalize the things you're going to see in here. And as he breaking it down to me, he said, when I see somebody get stabbed, I'm not looking about why they're looking at somebody stabbing somebody. I'm saying to myself, what did he do to that guy to make him do that?

So I'm like, damn. you really got to remove yourself from the human instinct of feeling for somebody or being emotional about anything that you're going to see or if you're looking at it from a regular lame and person mindset, you're going to go to fuck crazy. So you've got to fortify your mind. So he's telling me this shit,

and I'm sitting there like, I'm listening. And that whole night, he was just day, he was talking to me about it. And I was like, he's like, yeah, you know, nothing don't happen for no reason, this, then, the third, go, well, boom. So now he put my mind in that format of seeing what I'm seeing, but seeing it in a different way through this journey, because if I don't,

I'm going to go crazy. And, you know what I mean? So that right dear, it helped me normalize prison more, and it helped me didn't fill it it as much as the average person would fill it during the journey, because one thing that I knew, Quest, was that. I knew that every time I was in jail was because of me. It wasn't because of the white man. It wasn't because of the system.

It was because I decided to commit crime when I could have did anything else. So I'm already taking accountability of that aspect So now I'm just taking accountability Like, oh, this is just normal Getting up a day Making my bed Sleeping on the plastic of the bed

Wiping it down Wiping it down You know, using the toilet as a refrigerator, all that type So it's just It's a lot that I had to process So by the time I hit there When I'm looking at the day

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when they share like vulnerable shit. That's okay. But there's a selfish reason I wanted you on this podcast because intrinsically I feel all right, so I know for my life the payoff is

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Like, yeah, there's a part of me that is that person who is the brand I sell of like, hey, I'm curious about knowledge and all these things and learn and education,

music education. You know, but like, duh, you know, it's literally impossible for the generational epigenetical pain

from slave master to the first generation of slave. to whoever survived that, to whoever survived that, to our great, great, great, great, great, great, father us on and on us. Like, so you're also inheriting, like, their burden and their pain and shit.

You know, I think what I managed to do with this career is I managed to make the painful part look sexy, which is like, people are like, yo, how do you manage to do everything? Y'all got the Tonight Show, the roots, DJ gigs, you write books, and da-da-da-da, because I was raised by one of those James Brown like hard work.

Respectability politics that Cosby pull your pants up shit. You know, but it was a traumatic road to get there. Because the nicest way that I could put this with the most giantest wink without being like totally vulnerable about it is like, you know, my dad was a drill sergeant. When I say he was a Joe Jackson like dad. Okay. Like, Joe Jackson is not alone in this. Somehow the anger and that shit and the trauma of it was the benefit for all of us to spectate because, you know, it's like, okay, these nine kids are going to bring joy to the world and all that stuff and give us something to look forward to. But that's a lot to take in.

And that's the commonality I have, you know, the trauma of rushing home from school to beat the open. theme so I don't get on punishment and I'm being very kind when I say that word but you know the hell I had to catch to become this savannah music it was always justified in my mind because

the fear that was put in me was that I'm saving you from what's out there so yes I made it to safety but there's such a trauma burden that one has to

endure that we you know we both came to this redemption place where we now I think are common in our beliefs of like we have to put out good in the world and all that stuff the lesson that I never learned is the grass is always green on the other side right now you specifically named you know two very distinctive years of this part of your life and to show you how small I feel like you know, I thought the summer of 1990 was hell because I wasn't impressed with public enemy's fear of a black planet. Like the reason I had to ask you almost twice, like, wait, June of 1990, oh man, I remember like being depressed because four songs on Fear of a Black,

like I viewed that as like depression and your version of that day is something different. and we still came to this place, but I always wanted to know, you know, because I do know people that have not survived this journey. Most have given up. I have cousins. I have schoolmates. I've had band members that just gave up.

And, you know, the whole time I'm like, studying you from afar, I'm just like, what was the moment that woke him up? Because even my privilege side of thing, like, I ignore that call daily. And I feel guilty about it because it's being handed to me in such an easy way. But it's also the same like paralyzing thing that I think that has also hampered a lot of my constituents, you know, other fellow artists that seem stuck in a loop and can't get themselves out of them. There's an RIP post on, you know what I mean?

Because we can't get over the hump of the calling part. And so, you know, I had a whole bunch of other questions to ask, but it's, you know, but what made you want to stick with it? Like, once you had that calling, what made you want to execute it? Because we will all say, okay, I'm here for the leadership, but, you know, I hate leadership. What makes you want to show up? Because, like, first of all, I always think of it like this.

I look at it like this. It was two things I used to do in prison religiously. Another thing, I just want to let you know because you don't know. You could buy a TV off conversation, so you got a TV in your cell with cable. I wanted to know how you got music in. I'm telling you. I got to break this down to you, so I'm telling you, right? I just wanted to thank you for answering that.

You get a TV all conversation. We got a TV, a little 19 inches. I mean, before it was 19, like 14 inches, whatever. So we got the TV in our cell. What makes me keep going is realizing I grew up and I lacked exposure. A lot of time in the hood, we lack exposure to different things. So as I'm in the cell watching TV,

I became addictive to commercials to my cellmates. Like, yo, man, why are you always watching commercials, right? I'm like, yo, man, I just, I don't know. So I keep changing the channel every time a show where you come while I just watch commercials. religiously, right? Because I'm trying to figure out, yo, that, that Big Mac never looked like that when I was on the streets, man.

Did you ever have one like that, man? He's like, you see how it's nice? Like, it always be sloppy. He just don't never, he's like, yo, man, like, no. And then he'd be like, yo, you always ask me shit that don't matter. He's like, come on, man, that shit don't matter. I'm watching this show, right? I'm like, all right.

So then I start learning because there's two things I'm watching. I'm studying these commercials. And then once I realized that all these commercials is done by advertising agency. I'll start deep diving into marketing, advertising agency. I'm reading George Lois, damn good advice, top marketing man in the world. So I'm just thinking about all this type of stuff, right?

I'm reading this stuff. And then on the other side, I become obsessed with Anthony Bourdain. Because I'm like, yo, this dude was on drugs before. He got his life together, his chef. And he's introducing me to the, like, Anthony Bourdain was like my travel agent. He was taking me everywhere.

He was like, this was the greatest motherfucker on earth to me. Right. Because I'm sitting in the cell and I'm like, I'm watching every show. Parts I know, no reservation, the layover. I'm talking about I know every show. So I'm just like, damn, I want to ate that. But what I got to if I'm with him, because I'm put myself like, I know aunt. I'm talking to aunt like this is my uncle, my cut eye.

I'm like, I call him aunt. So I'm like, damn, this boy, it's just. And my cell is like, this all you watch. Because, you know, and what I liked about it on the media aspect as I built my company. I'm just looking at, he was on multiple channels, CNN and parts of him. He was on multiple. or his travel town, I'm just looking at. But he never, it was never enough shows.

So I'm just watching them. I'm just like, this is what life is about living. You got to explore. You got to meet new people. You got to talk to everybody. Anthony Bourdain talked to everybody. Same energy. He was a great listener.

And I was like, yo, that's life, right? So as I'm studying this, I'm studying marketing. And I'm just like, at the same time, I'm comfortable in prison and I'm going to tell you why. Somebody asked me one time Damn, but jail, I said And it was strange And they asked me about prison

And they said, if you had to describe prison, how would you describe it? I said, the most peaceful place on earth. Right? And they said, why, while, lo? I said, relaxing too. And he said, why?

Let me break it down. Okay. When you're in prison, if you're tired, you could go to sleep. You don't have to work in prison. Listen, you ever notice how when somebody comes from prison

they'd be still looking younger? They look, the stress of life is not dear. When I go to prison, 17 and come out 37, people like, wow, you got so much energy, why do you do this to that third? What prison did for me from 17 to 37, instead of dealing with heartbreak, loss a job, credit debt, college, all this type of stuff, what it was able to do from 17 to 37 was fortified my imagination. So when I come out of 37, I still think, I still think like I'm 17 on the aspect of what I could do, what I can do. I don't have fears. You came out 17. No, yeah, I came out 17.

So when you see me, you're like, damn, Wallow will be doing, he'd be everywhere, he's doing all this stuff. Because, first of all, I got more arrest than most people on the planet. I had less stress than most people on the planet. And let me explain something to you. Prison might be the most peaceful place in the world,

the most respectful place in the world. People say, wow, Walo, because the consequences of disrespect is at its highest level on Earth. You learn your lesson. It's not, no, so what it is is respect, respect, respect. I didn't see murderers have apology fest. You know how they had festivals out here?

They didn't have apolly. I didn't see murderers bump each other like in a child hunt. And they be, and they be just battling for, no, I'm sorry, no, I'm sorry, brother. No, I ain't mean to do that. And you'd be like, and then when I first went this, that I asked Omar once I said, why was they? He said, because if it's become a problem with them two dudes from two different sections, A war can start in here. And when a war starts, a lot of stuff could be lost.

Privileges, locked down. You know what I mean? Because a lot of these places, the prisoners run to jail, not the warden. So when I say respect is at its highest level? It's not social media. Social media. Anybody get on line and disrespect you. There's no consequences.

So in there, the respect level is so peaceful. You'll go there. You're like, damn. The cell block smell, everything clean, It's peaceful. You hear Frankie Beverly and Maze coming out of one cell. Delphonic's coming out of another cell. Run DMC coming out of this cell.

Tupac playing out of that cell. O'Hare is walking down. You see O'Hare, they've been in jail for 37 years. He listened to Delphonix. I mean, so the style lists. So it's like, it's real because it's like the peacefulness is just different. Where out here, there's no consequences to disrespect.

And I ain't say nothing got to be physical. deadly, but it's like it's so freely to disrespect people, whereas though you got people in there that still practice and stuff that you don't see no more on the planet. I have a question to ask you. Go ahead. Oh, God. When you gave me permission that no questions done. I was like, I ain't formed for that shit.

No, I'm serious. Any question. Do you scoff or eye roll at the Hollywoodization of what they depict and subsequently show us what prison life is? Like, do you are we all out here falling for like the way that sometimes

like your pain can be fetishized in Hollywood in terms of what because that is a take on prison I never, you know. No, you know what it is? I was, that's why I was so scared when I went to prison. I was scared to death. Yeah.

Because because of what was told to you? But what I always seen on there, the advertisement of prison through Hollywood was always, it was super crazy, right? Yeah. So when I go there, I'm like, it will only be like two to three major incidents a year out of the 20 years that I spent the prison of like some real serious stuff. Catastrophical levels.

Yeah, fighting is, that's regular stuff. Oz will have you thinking that shit happens every five minutes. Anabisi, that wasn't real. Anna B.C. would have got destroyed. somebody would have destroyed it somebody would have destroyed him two three dudes would have destroyed him like he really got destroyed ain't nobody doing that

I was trying to explain to my interns they're younger than me they're in their early 30s but they're like addicted to euphoria right now and his character is a main character on the last season of euphoria and I'm trying to explain to him he was a monster on HBO

right Oz he was a monster he ran around and they were just on this little pot they would have destroyed him He would have got shit. Right. And I'm trying to explain to them. Like, this villain is not.

Nobody would let, nobody would have let him do that. So it's like, so when you think about it, it's like, people would be like, and the funny thing about it is like, I was in Yale, not jail. I was in Princeton, not prison. I was in Penn State, not the State Penn. The level of knowledge in there, the level of information, the level of literature, you got to think about it. A lot of the literature that you might hear, the classical books that people talk about,

you might have been on point, spooked that set by the door. Solidad brothers, that came from the joint. It was brothers in the joint. But like, you were running to, oh, right here, get your book. And you'd be like, it'd be taped. I'm talking about, it'd be yellow. You know, it'd be yellow.

You'd be like, he'd be like, listen, Neff, gave my book back. I want my book back. You got two days to read this. So you would take it, you'd be like, it'd be like yellow because it's so old. They got the original copies and stuff like that in there.

Like, dude's got original copies of Soledadadadadadad but I was spooked to sit by the door. When at first came, came out. So you got to think about it. The knowledge, the level of knowledge and teaching, that's why I say that people be like, damn, Wallow, how did you know so much coming out of prison? Read. Like, read. We read, like, dudes read. Like, you just be shocked. The levels of professors that got in there that there's no, I'm talking about the conversations, the chess players, the jazz musicians, the artists, the paint, like, on every level.

You got some mean trumpet players in there, saxophone players in there, drummers in there. They got bands in jail. They got all, like stuff. you don't understand, that there'll never be as athletes, but it's just that they might can't never leave. You know what I mean? So it's like, at the end of the day, it's like the ideas that people have is amped up. Well, because it's amped up. You know, part of the thing is that we're not supposed to humanize.

Nothing. And, I mean, the fact, I mean, now I'm sitting here kind of in shame because I'm so shocked that you're, telling me that you can find humanity in prison. And I'm like, you know, look, God bless my dad, man. He got us wish I made it safely. Yes, you did. But also, did I?

Because, you know, it took 20 years to even let that relationship trauma go before you passed away. But like, you know, this is just one of the moments where I realized like, damn. Like I held on to like a Hollywood lie of like what I thought, which then thus gives you an excuse. That's the excuse that humans need to not see you through a scope of respect or that sort of thing. There's a marketing. See, see, I spoke about when I was on Shannon Sharpen, I spoke about, I said, you got God, whatever God do anybody choose to believe in, that's their business. And then I said, after God, you got marketing. Them the most two powerful things on this planet.

The marketing, marketing is real powerful. And people be like, well, that's why when I leaned into it, and understanding what marketing was and was studying in a prison, it was like, everything that you know, everything that you liked was marketed to you. So why would I market that dudes is in prison? You got unbelievable gardeners in prison. You got yards in prison,

but they got gardens and greenhouses around the country. You got, like, gardens and greenhouses. But you got unbelievable, I can't market that to you. you. And yes, it's going to be fights. Yes, it's going to be disagreement. Yes, people going to get stabbed. Yes, people going to get hurt. People going to get raped. I'm not saying it. The same thing that happened to society is going to happen there. The way they marketed it is like every day, this is what's happening. The police is running down the hallways. The siren is going on everything. That's BS. Why do you think when you see a lot of COs, don't,

don't hurt me for the COs. A lot of CEOs just get fat after years because they'd be like this, sitting down all day, eating jail food that inmates to me, eating cheat cheese. Why you think so many COs get, they're not, what they're doing? They're not, because if it was so dangerous, you'd be in shape,

they'd be on response. Majority is correctional officers in America is overweight. Pay attention to that. You gotta be in shape. You see the cops in shape, don't you? They be on,

and they be ready, task force and all that stuff. Like, think about it. I'm just being real. You're doing the Lord's work, man. I mean, because like, that's, I'm genuinely elated,

like, when I learn, something that I never knew before. And once I can get over myself and get over like feeling stupid because I didn't know. And a lot of times I think like that's the frustration. Like half of it is we tend to try to penalize people we don't understand, which, you know, marketing. Kind of what's happening right now, you know. And then the other half is sort of the, I mean, you know, the fear of like not being in on it or on the nose.

so you just never ask a question. And I was fine with never asking a question out of fear of being judged or ridicule because I didn't know. But I've had many hard an episode to do on this platform, man. And this is one of the hardest ones because, you know, I feel like this is the closest that I could have a conversation with an alt-universe version of another version of me. Like, yes, I believe in all that. cosmic versions of ourselves. So thank you for sharing that. The music you love.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What is the first thing that you do in your day every morning? Do you have a morning routine? All right. Or are you happy to never, ever, ever, ever, ever again have a morning routine? No, I love getting up early. What time do you normally get up? It depends.

Sometimes it's 4.30. Sometimes it's 5.30. Sometimes it's 6 o'clock. Right? That was my joint forever. But now, like this year, this is like the first time that I really been like saying yes to me more. I get up and go back to sleep.

Guilt free? Guilt free. Without feeling that you just let somebody down for sleeping? No, I'm going to break something down to you that I learned. I learned that the idea of this go hard, don't sleep, don't chill mentality. That's all marketing that's some bullshit to keep us working. Think about this. Not even that.

It's just the people that will tell you that on social media, and it's the idea of power of marketing. I sit here and I say, damn, okay. When I think about everything that I do, I realized that I had a process of three to nine because people would be like, wow, though, I see you on. For years, people would be like, wow, though, I see you on Instagram all the time,

you on there every day all the time. I'm like, no. And I say to myself, I used to always say to myself, you see me on Instagram maybe three minutes a day. And they'd be like, was, the three videos was only a minute. A piece. I've been, I filmed them the day before,

or whenever I'm posted them, whatever. Like, everybody don't understand that. A lot of stuff that you do is already organized way before. I believe in the three and a nine mentality. I believe in three and nine. This is why it's three and nine. Three months you work, nine months you chill.

This is me. This is me. Break it down. Wait, what? Three months you work, nine months you chill in the process of it, right? Because, say for instance, you said something one time. I was reading in a magazine when I was in prison. and you was like, the album was just a flyer to tour.

You said that years ago, like 2016. It is. 2006. I mean, 2016, whatever. Because it's already done. But think about how that thing that y'all took, however time to create, everything is opened up for y'all.

The work is already, that's the work. Yeah. That is really the work. So say if you say, okay, let me sit here, January, February, in March, we're shooting 20 episodes a month. It's going to walk us. through the whole year.

Just say. Y'all said that. I'm just saying. I'm not giving Jake into no ideas. I don't want to beat you up. Don't get me. Look, I'm going to tell you something. Great.

You guys are watching me in real time. Like nine people in this room and however many hundred, whatever, million, whatever, the number is like you're watching me have a real life breakthrough. There's a particular artist, music artists, that made a decision. You know what? Same thing. I work my ass off. I'm going to see if I can get through 2026, the way I want to get through 2026.

And this artist could easily just cashing it in, chasing it. And I get it. We've all been trained. I mean, hip hop in itself is hustle culture. And they tell me, you know what? I learn the power of no and scarcity marketing. And I decided, you know what? And my first question was, why would you even at the rate where you, your market rate per show,

like if I had a chance to at least gross, like nine figures, two and a half hours every night singing songs I wrote, like I, because I've been trained to do that. Don't stop. Go. Get it. And they said. I want to prioritize my sanity and my happiness. And I looked at them like they were crazy.

This was three days ago. Three days ago after I'm trying to preach to the world about the power of metaphysics and all that stuff. And here's my earthwind and fire film to get you, this is my contribution to it. But like secretly behind a curtain, I'm still that person. And it gobsmacked me that they chose. themselves over like you're at the one yard line. I know five people in my life that told me the night before final exams, they decided forget graduation, college graduation.

Like these are straight A students. And I'm like, why would you not just grab the brass ring? And they were just like, this wasn't me. I was living my parents dream and all that stuff. And man, I, I, so, yes, the one artist spoke to me about, I'm only going to do nine shows a year. If you want me, you know what price I want. I'm going to do nine shows a year that would be the equivalent of what would happen if I just drag myself to death doing 75 shows around the world and losing myself. And I understood, but even on the ride home, I still wasn't sure that I would choose.

my sanity over, it's like De Niro and heat. Never get attached to anything. You can't walk away from 60 seconds flat if you feel the heat coming around the corner. But he had to go back to that hotel just for one. Like, if he just, and like, that's what I'm wrestling with. No, listen, I just want to say this to you. That's all I'm going to say. This was the first year since I've been home that I enjoyed me.

Because I was everything for everybody else. When I tell you, to this day, like, do you know this morning, I knew I had to be here from Philly? Because I usually stay in Miami. Love it there. So I had to be here. So I woke up six something. I said, let me put the clock back on for 8.30. I went back to sleep, chill, jumped in the shower, jumped in the car, and rode up here.

But listen, in a process, and listen, just think about this. I'm saying to myself, I'm going to get there. and the time is like right there I ain't you know but this year the air smells different the air smells extremely different the food tastes way better because I'm not rushing to get to nowhere no more I'm not I talked to my grandma my grandma would be 92 September 30th she's still wear a new balance walk around real live Philly she's a real live Philly joan at this day talk to you what there is What's you doing?

Like, I said, Nanny, how long did it? How was it? How long did it? She said, boy, it was fast. She was faster than I think. She's 92, right? She said, it seemed like anything, like, it was quick. So I'm sitting here to say to myself, like,

the way I look at this game in my life, nobody is really paying no attention to it, and I'm going to just break it down to you. Life is a game, it's four quarters. You got birth to 20, that's quarter one. 21 to 40, that's quarter, Two. Once you get the 40, that's when the halftime show.

That's where you get to go back to the locker room and look at the scoreboard and say, it's life kicking my ass or I'm kicking life ass. You got to look at the scoreboard of life, right? And then once you go back on that field, right? Because you ain't got that much time at the halftime show. When you go back on that field, you got to say, damn, how I'm going to put myself in position in this third quarter? And that third quarter is from 41 to 60.

Some people might get ejected from the game of, life before they get to 60, they might not go to the fourth quarter of life. And then you got from 61 to 80. And in that process, hopefully you can make it to 80, but most people don't never finish that fourth quarter of life. And then the people that do get to 80 and move on, that's overtime. My grandmom is in overtime right now. Let's just be realistic.

It's 8.3 people on the planet. And the next 50 years, half of the planet is going to be dead. The baby that was born today is a baby that was born a day that's going to be 50 years old. I'm 47. The chances of me still being here is not that, you know,

I'm gonna be somewhere else. Don't matter fucking stuff, man. I'm just being real. Okay. I'm being real. Like, you gotta think about this. When you look at life, right? I'm gonna show you something.

When you look at life, everybody be playing so we never enjoy ourselves because we're trying to enjoy everybody else. So what happened is we find ourselves in situations where it's though we're working for the world, but we ain't working for us. When you're going to start working for you? Right here, real time.

Grab that. Real time. You see that? You see that? You see how many people died today? This is a live... That's world meters. You see how many people died today?

You see how many people was born today? How many people died today? 34,780. No, no, that's probably the year. Oh, death's this year. Oh, today. I keep, oh, 80, it won't stop. 87,000, just every three seconds.

How many people died this year? 34,780,000, 269, 701,000, 200,000. Now, what I'm saying to say to you, Quest, is this. Only thing that's guaranteed to us is our death date, and we don't know when that shit is. We don't know. It's overwhelming. It's overwhelming, but the reality. is, reality is, I don't know why the food tastes way better this year for me, but I guess

I do because I started being, I started saying, no, I'm tired, let me go to sleep. I get to that later. I start rushing to go nowhere. Like, I'm going to get there. So at the end of the day, you will sit here and you will choose a, this is what yes to you and know to them is about. It's about when is you going to stop being a yes man to everybody? And when is you going to start being a, like, because the only people that get a pass

all right no and this is why it's this why it's so corny like adults be so corny right this is why adults be so corny the only people that adults the only human beings on this planet that adults was swift and so bad and tough to say no to is the kids but a friend come up a friend that you know that just want to use you hey i need you all right man and then you feel bad about it because you wanted to say no but you was a coward enough you was so much of a coward so you said yes this what yes or you know to them is about. Because we living in the new world where it's dough, manipulation is at as high as form.

Nobody wants to speak about that. But now everybody's slick. When I grew up, the only people that were slick was the people in the streets. Now, everybody is slick. Everybody's going to find a way to maneuver to try to make you. And especially when they know you a good person,

I know how to make Quest feel bad. He's not going to say no to me. And then my whole thing is, how many yeses do I owe you if you were my friend? How many do I owe you? How many do I owe you, Quest? Is it a limit on yeses? Like, damn, I can't, and then when I say no, I'm the back,

all right, well, listen, if you're going to market me as a bad person in your mind, stop calling me, stop checking up, all because I said no, tell our other friends, yeah, man, I don't mess with Quest, I fell out with Quest. You're like, what, I ain't even know. You ain't even know you, just because you said no. Yeah, because you know I needed him to do this. But what about the 15 other things I did? No is the most disrespectful word in today's society.

It's equivalent to spitting in somebody's face, especially when you're straightforward Quest would be like, yo, no, I can't do it, Quest, no. How did you tell me that? How did you tell me no? Who you think you is to tell me no. People think they're entitled to yes. So now, as we're talking about it,

when are you going to start using No More Quest? I'm going to tell you something. I was, damn, this is the most vulnerable I've ever been on this podcast. 5.54 a.m. I was going to cancel this interview. I pride myself for him. my professionalism.

Yes, the 10 roots are rolling their eyes in the air because in root circles I am often late and that's psychological self-sabotaged shit that I can easily fix with, you know, really set my mind to it. But I've never been so, I'm such a people pleaser. My reputation as being professional and overworking means more to me than me. and I issued out a no that I've been ducking for seven months, seven months of, and yes, I know the light perception is, like for you, I know it could be literally uttered in three seconds. For me, I got to go home and ponder it.

I got to read a whole bunch of books. I got to meditate on it. I got to do affirmations. I got to do, you know, whatever protection. like not being liked or not letting people down is just one you know when we find a safety chip we just stick to it even if it's to like the the detriment of our lives man and last night was the moment where I came to grips with like I got to choose. me and not feel bad about it and I got to tell somebody no and I did it but man people that see the

reason I want people to get close to me because I know like there's a part of me that is vulnerable and will easily show you how the machinery is made and yeah okay I'll DJ your party yeah i'll i'll write these liner notes for you yeah i'll do your platform oh man i got i got a i got i got to fucking do all the music clearance for this entire movie all right let me shape from push around my vacate all right well i could do that next year and and and i said it and then i apologize for 90 minutes for saying it As human beings, we're so pre-programmed to people please that even when you do the right thing for yourself is such a foreign thing. Like why we hate going to the gym or why you hate eating the right foods or all those things.

It's like because we're programmed to just go against our own interest, man. And like advocate for myself and saying the word no. like it's almost like I had to take a day off just to see what it felt like to be this new version of me. Can I play something for you? Hit me. I didn't know this was yours, but this was meant for you. I didn't even know. That's what's so crazy about it.

You know? What you explained to your no for? Did you ever explain all them yeses you gave? All them yeses you gave somebody. Did you explain the reason you gave all them yeseses? No. You never explained. You just say yes and they keep going.

Yes, you can borrow money. Yes, I could be at your vent. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes. And they never, I'm talking about never, never did you break down the yes. Did you? Did you explain the yes to them? No. What you look like explaining to no, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You better not. You better, you better not explain no no.

What you explain to no for? You don't have to explain no no. No is because you don't want to do it. That's it. You don't want to do it. So you said no. Don't be sitting there giving nobody no explanation or trying to break down why to no. No, no. You got a right to say no. Just like you had a right to say yes. And you said yes and ain't asked for no understanding of the yes. No. And stand on that no. No.

You better not explain your no. I was afraid that you were going to teach me this lesson today. I had to. And once again, Questlove uses this platform to fix his life. Ah, man. Did I just ruin the show? No. No.

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